KICK OUT AND RAGE QUIT?! 70+ Body Count At 21?! She Is In LOVE With A Fkboy?! | Dating Talk #207

Date: 2024-10-23

Duration: 6h 37m

Guests

AAlex Paige Moore >

LLouisa (DT207)>

DDestiny (DT207)>

VVera (St. Lucia)>

VValentina Sumski >

LLiam Christopher >

Brian Atlas

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Alex Paige Moore(guest)

SPEAKER_04Destiny(guest)

SPEAKER_05Elena Smyra(guest)

SPEAKER_06Rey(guest)

SPEAKER_07Background(audience)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Liam Christopher(guest)

SPEAKER_10P(guest)

SPEAKER_11Valentina Sumski(guest)

SPEAKER_12Vera(guest)

SPEAKER_13Louisa(guest)

SPEAKER_14Production/Music(audience)

Key Moments

OtherLouisa reveals a man set her hair on fire on Stockholm subway escalator; attacker targeted 5 women, was arrested, trial upcoming

“I just see smoke coming up behind me and I turn around and then the man was just standing there... he did it for five girls”

OtherP found another girl's black lace panties at her fboy's house and wore them on her next visit to provoke a reaction

“I go over there and it is a pair of panties you know what I did the next time I saw him I wore them I wore them”

OtherP reveals her friend invited 5-6 Tinder guys per day to their Lake Tahoe cabin during a girls trip, and P had a threesome with one of the guys and another girl

“I planned out a girls trip to Lake Tahoe... my friend decides to go on her dating app and invites like six guys like every single night over”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round: Alex 8/4 (with/without makeup), Rey 7, Liam 5, Vera 6 then 9-10, Valentina 9-10

“Stiffler ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10... with makeup an eight without I'm like a four... solid seven... a six... I'm a 10”

ControversyValentina and Brian clash over her 10/10 self-rating — she says "you don't even know me", Brian pushes back; she gets louder, says "I'm Latina, I speak loud"

“you're saying I'm being passive aggressive okay I'll be more direct not a 10 not a 10 not a nine... I'm Latina and I speak loud and that's it”

ControversyUnidentified "Ginger" guest kicked off show for attempting to dox Brian's location during self-rating debate

“I had to kick her out because she was about to dox... she was literally about to dox I would have shown it but we had to just kick her out”

ControversyValentina rage quit after Brian refused to validate her 9/10 self-rating and pushed the makeup removal

“the chick who got triggered cuz she's a nine she wants to leave too... she was offended by that implication that I didn't agree with her looks rating”

QuoteBrian states he will not date a sex worker as a firm personal line: "I will not date a sex worker point blank period"

“I will not date a sex worker Point Blank period”

QuoteVera reveals she charges $5,000 for in-person meetups with fans

“if someone wants to [bleep] me and they write out that they want to have sex with me that is the price $5,000 that is the price for the a meet up price”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Relationship Statuses

All guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian and Liam also introduce. Relationship statuses, longest relationships, who broke up with whom. P's 8-year fboy situationship, Vera's "single until married" philosophy, Rey's 2-week breakup, Valentina's 5-month situationship.

P's Fboy Situationship Deep Dive

Extended discussion of P's 8-year on-again-off-again situationship with a Santa Barbara fboy (SPEAKER_10). They met in high school via Instagram DMs at age 15. She is in love with him but won't ask for commitment. She found another girl's panties at his house and wore them back to impress him. He calls her babe while seeing other women. Panel debates whether she's dickmatized/brainwashed.

Rosters, Threesomes & Sexual History

Panel discusses having multiple people at once (rosters). Rey reveals 3 threesomes in one day (same couple each time). P reveals a threesome at Lake Tahoe during a girls trip where a friend invited 5-6 men/day from Tinder. Brian and Liam discuss the asymmetry of sexual optionality between men and women. Swedish dating culture (hookup culture) with Louisa.

Dating Advice to 15-Year-Old Self

TTS-prompted question for each panelist. Alex: "don't be a doormat." P: "be kind to the shy guy who may not be around much longer." Rey: "listen to your mom." Louisa: "don't pressure yourself, everything will be okay." Elena: "they're not always telling the truth." Vera: "nothing is ever that deep." Liam: "hang in there skinny rat, you're going to be a jacked multi-millionaire." Brian: "don't date women with mental health issues."

HPV Debate

Rey insists you cannot get HPV from oral sex on a woman, sparking a long factual debate. Brian and Liam cite throat cancer links. Rey eventually admits some transmission routes but resists conceding fully. Humorous TTS comments about koalas and flannel.

Self-Rating Round & Kick-Out Incident

Chat asks guests to rate their own looks 1-10. Alex: 8 with makeup / 4 without. Rey: 7. Liam: 5 (6 with tequila). Vera: originally said 6, corrected to 9-10. Valentina: 9-10. Brian implies he disagrees with the high ratings. An unidentified "Ginger" is kicked off the show for attempting to dox Brian's location. Valentina rage quits after Brian will not validate her 9 rating + makeup removal confrontation. Two guests removed from set (~2:38-2:43).

Sex Work Debate: OnlyFans vs Traditional Work

Extended multi-hour debate on sex work, predominantly between Brian/Destiny/Elena vs Vera (St. Lucia OnlyFans creator). Vera argues sex work is a valid business with passive income, attacks hypocrites who watch porn. Brian says he would not date a sex worker. Destiny argues sex workers are degenerate. Vera counters by citing her Caribbean background, poverty, and financial independence. Vera charges $5,000 for in-person meetups. Discussion of OnlyFans marketing, passive income, and spirituality (Vera's parents are Baptist pastors). Vera admits sin but argues everyone sins.

Women Initiating / Who Pays

Debate with Louisa about whether women ask men out at equal rates in Sweden. Louisa argues attractive women do ask men out. Brian points out statistical disparity in initiation rates even in feminist Sweden. Discussion of who should pay on first dates.

Body Count Round

Brian asks body counts around the table. P: 50-70 (lost count, probably around there). Liam: ~300. Rey: did not disclose. Others: various. Vera: started OnlyFans at 18, had 3 before, ~20s after. P reveals she had a "party phase" where body count grew rapidly by age 19.

Man vs Bear Debate

Brian asks the "would you rather be in a forest alone with a man or a bear" question. P chooses bear (men have hands, can set traps). Louisa chooses man in US/Western Europe but bear if the whole world — cites unsafe countries and her own experience of being set on fire in Stockholm. Vera says she'd choose bear so she could kill it for fur. Brian challenges the premise.

Sugar Daddy Stories

Brian asks remaining panel about sugar daddy experiences. Elena: one dinner via SeekingArrangement ($200), felt bad, quit. P: met a recently-separated wealthy man on 4th of July, 3 meetups ($500+ each + thousands in shopping), stopped after he asked her to travel. Has his own hangars, float plane, yacht club. P stopped contact after fearing for her safety.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasexperience with women you're going to turn women down if you have if you have your own standards you're going to turn women down if they don't meet what you're looking for and you're in to you

Destinyyeah how many of you guys been turned down before I think everybody has not me you hav't turned down maybe cuz I haven't lived there that long I don't know I think you need to find somebody that you actually find attractive and

Alex Paige Moorethat you have an emotional connection no you never find somebody they have to find you would you take someone that has done s work before he said no so even if they didn't do it anymore if there was a past of it I wouldn't you wouldn't even

Verapictures just pictures not so what if they was what if they was like the college [ __ ] though they didn't get paid for it but everybody knows them of it wouldn't date her either in fact you know what I'll even

Brian Atlasbe charitable this question has come up I'll be charitable by giving you this this counter argument would I rather date a girl who does only fans but her body count is five or would I rather

Brian Atlasdate a woman with a body count of over a 100 I'd rather date the the excuse me the only fans girl okay then that would be mean and her you you said how much would your body count I don't know like maybe around like 50 something like mine

Verais not as near I wouldn't date either of you but if you had to you're such a liar because I wouldn't date I don't believe you I don't either of us sexy

VeraAsian well yeah it's even no okay so you want to dat a sexy Asian you wouldn't date the Blom Aussie bomb show you wouldn't date the ginger

Brian Atlasum Swedish yes because I care about more than just looks yeah what how is that hard women are the same they so none of us had like strike person well look I'll look I'll even Grant you this very

Brian Atlasattractive very attractive like yes the women at the table are attractive but there's other considerations but I'm a [ __ ] apparently it's just you do sex work you do sex work you're currently involved in

Brian Atlaslike a ridiculous situ you're involved with another dude who's got you Alpha widowed and you've been brainwashed and the body counts high no offense not trying to get you upset body counts a

Brian Atlaslittle high okay attractive girl high body count tighty though I'm pretty sure

Brian Atlassure anything that's crazy um so keep coping though it's funny so what's your body count Brian I don't reveal my body count

Verawhat's yours are we going oh nine is like well I charged $5,000 well I shouldn't have said that I shouldn't have said that so my body count I started only fans at18 what do you

Veracharge $5,000 for I started only fans at 18 years old I before only fans I had the body count of three know wait uh your body count was what

Verabefore only fans started I had a body count of three after only fans I could tell you somewhere in the 20s that's where it is and how how much did you

Veracharge I plead the fifth how much did you charge I play the fifth they have the rewind to hear it $5,000 $5,000 if you if you want to to have sex with me if you want to

Verapropose to have sex with me yes it's 5,000 so you have it or you don't have it remember that part where you said you weren't an escort yeah I

Veralied I mean I mean Li I'm not going I'm not going to re on I lied I lied I mean's honest you going have to be a dumbass to think that I wasn't collecting like thousands of dollars for sex that doesn't even make sense so only

Verawhere do you meet these people that pay you to have with you only fans on the internet so when you're only fans girl you're on so many social media platform have escort listing do you have escort listing not listing no you have um so

Veramany social media um platforms where people reach out to you for a crazy amount of money now why I put the 5,000 is because I don't know if this is like I could say this on the podcast but te

Veragirls I saw a te girl um put $10,000 so I feel like me as a sis girl

Louisathat I can like if if t girls getting 10,000 where is and when you need Andrew who Andrew Wilson we we got to get so who I don't know Andrew but can I ask

Louisayou I understand when when you are in poverty really I I never experienced it I never seen it in real life so I understand that you are like doing what

Verayou need to do to to survive yes and you know before I had a job you know after when Co happened that is when I got resulted on only F like only fans girls

Veraand all of the things I was receiving at these real jobs that the Nigerians go to they were unethical things to go through as a human being being around people that you don't like being bullied in the

Veraworkplace being humiliated in front of people being used you know for money brok my God who the hell but nobody is NE nobody necessarily I want to come back to this conversation but I want to

Brian Atlasmove things on just a little bit we'll come back to it though okay um I do want to go to you here Alex so yes I am let's see where's the notes give me just one sec guys while I get these notes pulled

Brian Atlasup like the video guys wait where did they go where did it go it's uh oh here it is Alex you said on a first date you got asked to pay the guy's water bill for him it was the first time I'd met

Alex Paige Moorehim so that was actually shooter Williamson oh that was shooter I he invited me over to his house okay and um you know I thought we're having a great time had a bit of wine and then um we

Alex Paige Mooresort of were chatting for a bit and then he's like oh just by the way um J you could pay my water bill for me and I was working like this is before o I was working two jobs and yeah I got a little bit scared and I was like I didn't know

Alex Paige Moorehow to say no so I ended up paying his water bill on the first date um yeah so anyway we ended up

Alex Paige Mooredating for like three 3 years after that so that's a yeah how did it probably paid someone's water bill since that on the first day no uh I paid for

Alex Paige Mooreeverything after that yeah yeah so I was yeah I think um that was probably the wrong move because after that I was like you know you you set your standards and then afterwards he like okay well can

Alex Paige Mooreyou pay for this can you pay for that and I was like sure cuz I'm I'm such like a I don't know in I'm yeah I'm non-confrontational I'm non-confrontational I hate saying no and

Alex Paige MooreI felt bad to say no careful that oh well like yeah we love what you're saying now and so I just ended up paying for the whole relationship for like 3 years because um yeah I was too scared

Alex Paige Mooreto say no but at the end of the day I did end up making more money than him so yeah I felt like it was kind of fair but maybe not to the extent I paid for was it like did he call you back after the

Alex Paige Moorefirst dat or did you call him um he called me I'm pretty sure I think it cuz it was originally addressed as let's do content together as in like Tik toks and stuff so you guys probably don't know my

Alex Paige Mooreex he's like an Australian comedian and I was like okay like I'll see let's see where this goes we'll be good I was like wanting to be an influencer at the time like an Instagram influencer so I was

Alex Paige Moorelike yeah no worries met him obviously had a good time he was really funny then asked me to pay his water bill but I was like I had a good time I'm coming back what what happened cuz he kind of disappeared remember like he used to be on YouTube YouTube he he kind of was

Alex Paige Mooredoing shorts and skits before there were a big thing on Tik Tok and Instagram he's still he's still on Tik Tok and stuff but I think there was just other priorities like we broke up he sort of had a mental breakdown and um he has

Alex Paige Mooresort of just become a little bit mellower since then so calm down calm down a well as in he's not active on social media he's still probably a

Liam Christopherpsycho well since I'm now running the podcast I basically um one one of my um guilty pleasures is bad dates so like that's one date that you have been on

Liam Christopherlike have you been on a bad one that oh okay a bad one like I know paying the water bill sets the bar pretty high go go go a bit worse um I don't what's the Worst Behavior you've seen on a bad date

Alex Paige Mooreon your first date H I think he also uh actually I shouldn't go into that no I won't go into that CU I don't want to get in trouble okay fine okay what what's what's a bad but that's because I've only been in about four five

Alex Paige Moorerelationships and they've all been really long they've been about 3 four years each five in one of them so I actually haven't been on that many First Dates to even say like one's been bad I've definitely been on yeah oh really

Verawell I'm lucky what about I does anyone have like a really bad awkward worst first date ever store I know I know you're going to come with the goods yeah yeah the Caribbean is not a real [ __ ]

Veraplace excuse my language really Caribbean is not a real place so I met a guy on yeah only fans yeah I met him on only fans and I knew that I was taking

Veraprobably a bad start to begin with no no no it's I thought Tinder was bad it's a bad start because he's young and that's the exact reason why I avoid young guys so I already knew it was like risky because the fact that he was young but I

Verareally liked him like I like talking with him he was in barbas I was in St lha and um they're like 30 minutes away from each other so you know we were talking for like at least a month and

Verathen he tell me to come out to Barbados that you know I would have a good time and so yeah I can't I at first I was waiting for him to pay back for my ticket and I know men trick are already so from the time he didn't pay for it

Veraright away you know I I had a performance in St kids so St kids is like you have to cross through Barbados so I was going to just start to stop in Barbados on the way back home to sta so yeah I eventually got to Barbados when I

Verawas in s Cas the day before before I was get to Barbados he tell me he sent me these fake videos of Barbados is flooded so it's like these fake flooded videos to try to scare me from coming or whatever but I still came and um I

Veraeventually stop you that that didn't stop me so but I already knew men already so I got my own like Airbnb and S kits from the time he start answering my calls he stopped answering the calls and stuff I already knew what time it

Verawas so you know I eventually got into Barbados and then so after like what 5 days in the Airbnb I wanted to go home I had to go out and not I had to I chose

Verato go out to this cabin in the South part of Barbados but I did not know what I was like expected in this cabin like it was really really scary and so another fan texted me hey oh my God I

Veracan't you're so close to me I have $3,000 I'll give it to you right now and I was like I had already bought my ticket back home to S [ __ ] cuz after the first night in the c i I can't do it I have to go home I'm not that desperate to be here in barbitas so yeah um I said you know I don't believe you I'm just

Veraover it right now I'm going to go back home so he comes and gets me you know he shows me the money on FaceTime or whatever so he comes and gets me when he gets me he's like a [ __ ] so he comes and gets me like out

Verathis huge car I don't know cars so I guess like a Dodge or a four but like a huge truck and he like pops out like you always seen Shrek with the little [ __ ] hopping off the horse and so you know he

Verahands me the money and so I go to his house and then right so I go to his house finally to have a c night yes he had like a mansion first dat bad first wait so I'm sorry I was to bad First

Liam ChristopherDates I was gone I just came back oh Alex was talking about her bad date with SH yeah I heard that and we got on to her bad date who who it hasn't really started yet yeah who is it is hasn't

Brian Atlasstarted yet no really is who is it oh the guy who she went on a date with did you say who it was yeah oh just some random gu boxing don't worry no I thought she

Brian Atlaswas I thought she was talking like it was a famous guy because no no no no but we were starting the full but what's the the chat was saying they think it's

Verasomebody so I don't know oh they think somebody BR he brings me to his house I had like what a minute of like a good

Verafresh air brief and then I hear like banging on the door um I'm going to make up a fake name Carl let me in let me in and she takes a hammer and she smashes through the W like the windows and he

Verawas like if you don't stop I'm going to call 911 right now and like but he never was calling 911 I literally cuz I don't know if you know but Caribbean women when they pick up a weapon someone is going to die Caribbean people in general

Verasomeone is going to die somebody's going to get hurt so I literally I I went and grabbed every Caribbean person have like a machete um in the house so I grab the machete and I lo myself into a room but

Verathat is not even the craziest part so after after she eventually goes after she eventually goes we're like in the bed and he's going to have a nerve enough to like think we're going to

Verasleep together after that [ __ ] happen Jesus Christ so you know so basically yeah so basically I go through his phone because I'm like in an anxious mod cuz I think I'm about to get killed because

Verashe's from Guyana and Guyana is like very very like even more third world country in signature so they're very very serious especially when it's like a man involved you or somebody's going to die and did you survive so I went back

Veraon his phone to find out he only dates the same I noticed that me and the girl look so much alike to find out that he only dates replicas of the same looking girl yeah wow that's crazy well that's

Verathat's horrible that's a really bad first di that's wor M that was a great that was a good one um by the way he paid for me to be here he paid for you to be here to come here yeah everyone

TTS Readerplay guy yeah oh at least you got something out of it so you said SE Mike donated $100 three holes no soul renting your

TTS Readerdroopy bat cave is not equal to success simps stop it her unearned superiority is all your fault and you must atone for creating this monster send her back to

Brian AtlasPoverty H that's not very nice yo Mike thank you man appreciate it thank you thank you I appre appreciate

Brian Atlasit so more notes for Alex here um you said you like the idea of being spoiled in the man paying for dinners and things

Brian Atlasbut I have a unique and easier way of uh earning money so I understand this is for Alex um I understand if I'd have to

Alex Paige Moorepay for more things yeah for sure so I think like I mean I think most women do like the idea of being spoiled it's like oh nice like very exciting but at the

Alex Paige Mooreend of the day I probably do make more money than what a a man doing a regular job is so if I did like paying for a day paying for everything is not new to me

Alex Paige Mooreso pay sort of going me paying a bit more or even a 50/50 split I'm okay with yeah cuz you say as a general you think 50/50 efforts money chores is fair I

Alex Paige Moorethink so but you do like being spoiled I think I like the idea of it so if if they want to do more then great but not going to be like I expect this I I will

Alex Paige Moorenot settle for any less so I like the idea of it uh I want to go around the table oh uh once she's back I'll ask this question then okay um here let's do

Brian Atlasa quick twitch Shey oh okay perfect I'll do another uh what is uh do you think men are insecure if they care about a woman's body count um I

Alex Paige Moorethink no I think it's like we were saying earlier I think it's a preference but yeah I don't think they're in secure it's just a preference your thoughts um I have mixed feelings I definitely

Pthink there are people who are insecure about it and some people who aren't okay sure oh no I don't think

Veraso um depends on what aspects but if they're just asking to know why healthwise because that's the only like valid reason I think that a man should know what your body count is it depend I mean there's other valid reasons yeah I

Veraknow but if it's like for that reason sure yes so it depends on what aspect he's asking for but no it doesn't always necessarily mean that he's insecure how about the the woman is clean but he still cares about

Elena Smyrait well I guess no it doesn't mean you is secure like I don't think so it could mean but it doesn't always mean not okay your thoughts I think a lot of the time

Elena Smyrait does mean that they're insecure just because um even from like experience when I have told somebody my body count and then they get like upset about it um

Destinyit's normally because they have a low one and they just feel like they haven't yeah gotten as much attention and then you um I don't think it's necessarily that they're insecure but maybe like they're not there mature wise they're

Brian Atlasnot mature they care okay uh so going around the table what's your body count nine nine around the 50s 50s I don't know 60s 7s okay yeah I'm not telling

Verathat I thought hold on I thought body count doesn't matter well yeah I'm not said she if she had an Ino Audi she did or no oh she didn't that's right she got you out of

Brian Atlasthat one thank you thank you apprciate it um you want to give a range no no less than 10 more than

Liam Christopher10 okay all right what about you 20s 20 29 okay seven seven okay what about you eight eight multip by three and

Brian Atlasthat's the real number for for all of you whatever it is um yeah so actually here's what we're going to do I'm going to put you in that seat and then you two like scoot down

Brian Atlasand then and these if you want to just you'll take this seat here sorry guys we're we're playing uh musical chairs here um so you go ahead and take that seat right there you don't have

Brian Atlasto yeah no take that seat and then you two scoot down two chairs we're just playing musical chairs here guys why don't you go to Twitch guys go to twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow or

Brian Atlasprime sub if you have one that's twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow and the prime sub if we have one oh look at that he sent in ratings um is this from

Brian Atlasbefore or after the kick um and the rage quit okay yo Chris thanks for the uh tier one appreciate it guys help us get to um can you guys help

Brian Atlasus get to 90 maybe we can get to 93,000 followers tonight we just need uh 120 more so if you guys can drop us a follow if you're watching on YouTube just open

Brian Atlasup another tab get us to 93,000 tonight guys if you can uh and then if you do have Amazon Prime you can link it to your Twitch quick for easy way to support the show basically for free

Brian Atlasevery single month appreciate it guys okay so where do we go from here uh let me just check a couple things I got more pre-show notes I'm going to get through

Veraall of those uh going to you you said you're I think this is you your date got blackmailed for 10,000 you that's by

Verathat that is by the version of the story yes that is by the same girl who broke in on the first date So eventually when we start dating obviously not going to leave him cuz he's Rich so um he took me to this very very expensive restaurant

Veraand we're at the restaurant and then I just turned around and he was gone like he's he's intense about something he was gone so I I thought maybe he sat to the bathroom I don't know so he came back and and by the time the girl was already

Veracalling me and she was telling me you know everything that Carl has done and he said this about me and that so he came to the table he was like ver I have to tell you something and by that time

Verait's too late already so apparently whatever the secret that he has it's so big she face she facetimed my cousin in St Lua so when he came to her house to

Veragive give her the money she dumped a bottle like a bucket of water on him and he still handed her the money and like literally like when I was sitting alone like at my date this a nice restaurant I

Verawas just super nice like I was literally just fighting back my tears like I've never been like with a man that would allow a man to blackmail him over the

Brian Atlas10,000 but I don't know what his secret is that was that was a really cool story uh thank you that was good um go how do you say your POS POS

Pis it short like is a nickname or that's it's a nickname my uh my birth name is supia it's a thae name suia that's beautiful did I say right yeah does anybody call you that or um just my

Pfamily in Thailand so like every Thai person is given a tie name that has some sort of meaning but then also a nickname that um everyone kind of calls you by

Brian Atlassupy is that would that work I've gotten like peachy peachy okay all right or Peach interesting interesting uh you said that

Brian Atlasyou have a crazy ex that paid you money to talk to you paid you money to talk to

Pyou after you blocked him on all socials including email yeah see I actually had

Pto um sign off or get evidence for a restraining order um

Pyeah damn um after all of that happened there was a time like a while ago um mind you like we broke off like we broke up like 3 years ago so the fact that I'm

Pstill like dealing with this like till this day to me it's like insane because this was recent the Shing order thing was recent yeah um but basically I went

Pon a bike ride with my dad I came home and as I'm going to the Gates Again into my house I see on the corner of my

Brian Atlasstreet like he's in his car and he starts driving off and yeah Yik um been interesting yeah that's always no bueno if you got to deal with like a stalker

Brian Atlasthat's always uh that's always not good um yeah is it like is he still harassing you

Por um yes and no I mean I unfortunately also had to just like remove his best

Pfriend's girlfriend even because I had her on social media and also his sister which is like super annoying but um yeah there he kind of just went on her phone

Pand started apologizing for um me seeing him by my house and that's been interesting H yeah and about because I actually like his sister um

Pyeah it is what it is but this coming from the same guy who you know like cheated on me and stuff when I was away um I don't I really do not understand

Brian Atlasmen sometimes so but you said that he crazy X he paid you money to talk to you after You' blocked him on all the socials including email how much money

Pdid he pay you um I don't remember um do you remember thought it was a dollar per word yeah he he sent me like a few wait but did you like negotiate that no I was

Plike if you want a response like you should pay me more so right Ah that's how they get you um was it worth it no

Pyou should have not yeah um how much total did he pay you um it was like maybe six seven messages individual so um yeah

P$67 oh $7 only yeah oh that's not because it was just like a dollar like a message per me oh okay yeah you got up those prices um exactly that's what I'm

Brian Atlassaying not coming from it not be degenerate asking for money wouldn't that be degenerate okay Cal calm down lady um you said dating life in this

Pgeneration and how silly it is yeah I mean um I I've been trying to go on some other dates since I last

Pbroke up with my um last relationship and I met this guy um actually at a bonfire and he was someone who was you

Pknow hanging out with me every single day for like two weeks straight and inviting me to go to Hawaii with him and Spearfish with his dad and going on and on about how he can see us in the future

Pand like you know like that my situationship like the other guy it was like calling me babe and stuff and like all of that jazz and the entire two weeks I was like I am not going to hook

Pup with him because I actually really do genuinely like him and we seem to like compliment Each Other Well we had a lot in common um and so actually I told my

Pbest friend that I um was fearful of giving him what he wanted which is like probably sex and then not hearing from him again and end

Pof those two weeks basically we did hook up and I was like okay well I see this going somewhere and not even like maybe 4 days later I was absolutely right and

Phe completely just stopped talking to me and my best friend just goes can I just next time I see him let me just like spit spit on him like let me eat a tuna

Psalad and spit on him she doesn't even eat tuna that's a pretty good friend that's a really good friend wait so did

Pshe no we have not seen him oh yeah wait so what did he do um it's just just like leading you guys hit like leading a girl

Pon and then you know like I mentioned like the fear of don't you do that no I actually don't I genuinely like if I'm interested in

Brian Atlassomeone I believe her wait hold on let me ask you this question though so you you were dating this guy or you're still in a situationship with this guy who it's been on and off for seven years no this is a different guy no no no but I'm

Brian Atlastalking like right now so you're in the situationship uh with this guy who it's been like on and off for a while you're in love with him he's a [ __ ]

Brian Atlasboy um you're in love with him but you go on dates with other guys aren't you leading those other men on no I'm not

Pbecause I'm very much like telling them what is going on in my head and like I'm just like not ready to be in a relationship wait wait wait but so you're so before they even go on the

Pdate before they you even go on the date you're telling them that you're sexually involved with another man and you're in love with him no I don't mention like

Pany of this until like maybe they asked me to be their girlfriend or you know things progress but you're in love with this other guy how would you ever become

Brian Atlastheir girl like some other dude's girlfriend well I just have to like really like them I have a question h there's so many angles here

Brian Atlasum wait so wouldn't it still be leading them on yeah like yeah in a you're emotionally unavailable you're sexually

Brian Atlasunavailable you're sleeping with this other guy who you love but you're going on dates with these other men you're not telling them about this the likelihood and you're not

Brian Atlassleeping with them either yeah so they're even if they just want sex from you they can't get it even if they wanted a relationship from you I don't

Pthink they can get it either but you're going on dates with other men yeah I mean I know like some guys I like for sure can lead on in that way but like if

PI am like interested in pursuing that person as more of a relationship then I will make it very clear how many dates

Brian Atlashave you been on with other men while being in love with [ __ ] boy guy um [ __ ] boy

Pguy she said it's she's a [ __ ] boy he looks like one um quacks like a dug I don't know I think like I've

Preally gone out to dates with like three people yeah like this year yeah have you gone on have you gone on like multiple dates with them like not just one first

Pdate but like um with two of them yes how long were were you seeing those guys for that was like recent I like just

Pended off like my last relationship that I've been with for like the past year so after that then I started dating again were you not seeing the [ __ ] boy

Pguy you weren't seeing the [ __ ] boy guy during the one year most recent relationship no I have not were you thinking about him I was were you still in love with him um at that point I don't know if it was like considered

Plove because we've been through like a lot of stuff and he was also in a relationship at the same time as I was

Pmhm and you know we give each other like a lot of boundaries um when we hang out or when we want to pursue someone else

Pjust as for like respect for the other person also each other so I guess we don't really talk about it um together when about like our other partners mhm

Brian AtlasH when's I mean but you've been you said you've been dating like other guys too while you're seeing this situationship right yeah like a while ago like before my last relationship okay so it was a while ago yeah

Brian Atlas[Music] hm probably is leading guys on though I mean if you're involved with somebody else you

Pknow yeah sometimes I like hey there's one is I do lead guys on like even just in in general when I go out and hang out

Plike at a bar with my friends like I never always know when a guy is like wanting to like ask me on a date or just making casual conversation with me because I'm just wanting casual

Pconversation with them like I said earlier like it's really hard to find just guys that you know you can only be friends with

Brian Atlash I always wonder though like okay it's like let's say you go on a date with a guy but you're still seeing your situationship and you say you don't like sleep with these other guys right you

Pjust go on dates with them well nowadays like the new me only hooks up with um people I have um like feelings

Pfor the new you yeah like the new you the new meat the new me that has not hooked up with like 50 plus people in my past that

Brian Atlasthat's another interesting conversation because uh wait so like would you make a new guy wait to have sex um cuz you said you'd only have sex with a guy who'd like you have a connection I just need to get to know

Brian Atlasthem more so like like I can't just hook up with like someone I just met that same day so like how long do you think you would wait like three dayses a month um I don't have like a time I just it

Brian Atlashappens but you don't think it would be like first date no second date no third date maybe I don't know probably not but in the past you have

Brian Atlashad like one night stands or like hooked up pretty quick yeah just curious like what's the quickest you've ever hooked up with somebody um I have hooked up

Brian Atlaswith someone I had like just met like that same day MH um actually multiple times like you you mean you've with you've done that with multiple guys yeah

Brian Atlassame day like but when I say quick kiss I mean like 30 minutes an hour oh um like hang out during the day like later

Pat night kind of thing so a couple hours yeah okay got it yeah yeah um like I don't think I've ever made plans to hang out with a guy and then we

Brian Atlasjust like it was a known thing that I'm here and we're just going to like hook up and I'm going to go home like that's never happened right right maybe there's a understanding you like keep seeing

Brian Atlasthem yeah doesn't necessarily even if you hook up quick doesn't necessarily mean that it's a onetime thing or one night stand but um yeah okay um you uh

Brian Atlaslet's see what are the other notes Here uh you said before he became so desperate to talk to me wait let me make sure oh wait no you said I think people need to figure out either they are just

Pbored and want to be close to someone or if they're gen genuinely wanting a relationship yeah um so I have honestly like issues with

Pthat myself because being out of a relationship for so long because the all the relationships I've been in like dating which I've only been in like

Pthree um exactly three after I'm kind of just

Plike do I miss being intimate with someone or do I actually want to find someone who better fits me

Brian AtlasH oh before he became so desperate to talk to me and felt the need to go out of his way to pay me money to send me a message on venmo he was the one who cheated on me when I was in Japan for a month with the same girl he introduced

Brian Atlasme to our second date he called a sister he only ratted himself out because he started having issues with his body and found out he got cyia yeah see that was insane to me that was a massive bullet

Pthat I dodged I was like thank goodness I was in in Japan for a month I I still like tested myself anyways definitely

Pnot for me um yeah wait so you had sex with him after he had the chyia no I haven't um he told me like right when I

Brian Atlasgot back oh and then you we had sex yeah okay you said you dated but wait you dated him for a year before you ended

Brian Atlasthings yeah like a year after the cyia no oh oh okay I see yeah it says anyways goes to show that when people realize they fumbled they go to insane lengths

Brian Atlasto try to get you back um I guess that's another so he cheated and then he fumbled um I guess that's another topic that would be worth discussing because it's a great example of the saying that people do not do not

Brian Atlasrealize what they had until they lost it and it relates to any sort of relationship yeah he also mentioned you in his bio when he created a new Tinder

Brian Atlasprofile and you have screen recordings everything why did what did he say about you in your Tinder in his Tinder profile

Pum so that's really interesting um but I was sent a screen recording of his Tinder profile that he created a few

Pweeks maybe a month after I broke up with him and he didn't like exactly include my name but he mentioned um something along the lines of um sorry

PI'm emotionally unavailable because I'm still in love with my ex I won't talk about my ex unless you mention yours and so on that was his

Brian Atlasbio damn damn when you look back at your uh like kind of your relationship

Phistory uh like do you have any regret or anything or um I think my only regret is that I just let things get too far

Pand I should have spoken up um um a lot more early on cuz um I don't know things like those kind of relationships like it

Preally messes you messes with you like mentally and that was definitely like a learning curve but um I wouldn't really change anything else because I wouldn't be where I am today if I hadn't gone

Brian Atlasthrough that relationship okay uh let's see here we have oh no she's not here we have uh

Brian AtlasD yes the craziest staying story you have is when your ex put an air tag in your purse yeah that was kind of crazy what's the story there um we went to LA

Destinyfor my birthday and we went to like a concert and we had gotten into this argument at the concert basically we went back to the

DestinyAirbnb and he slept in the living room and I slept in the room and when I woke up in the morning he was gone and my

Destinyvape was gone and my fake ID was gone and um yeah I had a my friend drove me back home and basically went like two days

Destinytwo three days later I kept hearing this little like 33 sound in my purse and I went through my purse two three times and I didn't find anything

Destinyand then I got like this air tag message on my phone and it basically said said that it was linked to his phone number so then that's how I kind of found out that I had an air tag in my bag so I

Destinywent through my bag again and I saw a matchbox in my purse and it had an air tag in it that he put

Verathere and yeah how did you know oh yeah number yeah so he ghosted you and left you with an why just to see what he's going to do a social experiment of course he's experimenting to see what

Brian Atlasshe's naturally going to do after a man leaves that is a major major yikes um damn and you figured out who it was though right

Destinyyeah cuz you can see like who the air tag is connected to by your by the phone number so yeah did you speak afterwards did you talk to him after yeah he followed me to the beach one day with

Destinythe air tag oh my how did you confront him about it nothing I didn't really say you you never said you didn't get rid of the airt or just um I told him about it I was like like I know you put a air tag in my bag and like that's why you know

Destinythat I'm here and then he basically just said like no I didn't and I was like yes you did Scary so you kept the air tag in yeah that didn't scare you a little a little bit but I just like oh like he

Brian Atlasreally cares about me wait can you scoot into the table a little bit um just so we can get you closer to the mic uh going to Alanis here Alanis your notes you're you're in a 5-year relationship

Brian Atlasis it been constant like it's not on again off again correct it's not right not oh so it's been good okay all right you said you went to hang out with a guy who you thought was interested in you

Brian Atlasyou smoked some Mary Jane and then for the first time ever you fell asleep and you woke up to his ex-girlfriend doing what um giving him head oh awkward wait

Verawas was his exgirlfriend there already it could have been his girlfriend too I don't know so but she wasn't there when you got there like when you was insane we were just hanging out how do you know you didn't imagine it she said it was your first time he

Elena Smyrasmoking weed maybe like she was there when I woke up hallucinating the hallucinating I think that he just expected to get something that night and I fell asleep so he had to get it somewhere uh you said you made a bumble

Brian Atlasand a friend's dad starting started texting you about how he saw your profile and he started hitting on you yeah I had that happen friend's dad mhm was he a babe no oh okay no I think he

Elena Smyrawas a little cuckoo but you guys matched no no like I didn't match him at all he just started texting me from his number because I had his number for um and

Brian Atlasyou're wait you're 22 right yeah this happened when I was young I was like 17 what were you doing yeah I was about to say what were you cuz just the timeline here you've been in a relationship for 5 years you're

Brian Atlas22 you would have been on Bumble and I was I was like 17 the sirens the sirens I don't think you're allowed to even be on dating Ms at that age I did anyway oh boy did you

Brian Atlasmeet up with any people from there yeah I did oh no who were older uh yeah did you tell them you were

DestinyI did and they wait they still met is that a surprise is that a surprise I mean it's I mean if you go on Tinder you're getting what you're asking for I mean

Brian Atlaskind of I mean I feel like most people assume though like on dating apps that everybody's over 18 like cuz you have to be no like if you go to a bar you're probably going to assume like people are

Elena Smyraover 21 I think they didn't care because I was turning 18 that year and how old were they the sound for that I don't even I

Brian Atlasthink get some help yeah probably be careful guys be very careful on these dating apps you got to get a photo ID you

Elena Smyraexcited or something underage girls um let's see you said finding someone that matches your lifestyle is number one yeah what's your lifestyle um just like active Outdoors someone who likes the

Elena Smyrasame things as you um like I said like I wouldn't date you cuz you don't go on Hikes kind of situation um shoot yeah the whole hike thing yeah I get it uh let's see um from what you said from

Brian Atlaswhat you've witnessed dating has become one of the most difficult things and many are looking for perfect I don't think perfect is out there yeah yeah no I think I tend to agree with that uh

Brian Atlaswe're going to come right back to you now so getting into your notes here oh boy uh actually I think that one tell you said women tell too much unnecessary

Brian Atlasinformation prior just meeting someone that might not even find them valuable exactly but before I do that I just made the connection and it's been I just noticed this so

Brian AtlasNissa you look do you know Aubrey Plaza no you'll know Aubrey Plaza can we google a photo of you kind of look like auy

Brian AtlasPlaza hold on wait don't worry oh let me find better photo it's not going to be Fiona doesn't she look a little bit like Aubrey Plaza that is a little bit where

Verais she here I here I'll send uh wait hold on like a little bit hold on I I'll send in private chat where holding is she

VeraCaribbean what is she Caribbean the girl is she Caribbean does Ana look Caribbean toam no I thought you was saying the person no no no I got I got you wrong I got you wrong oh no you

Brian Atlasthought it talking about you oh no no I was just I see how you okay I see how that yeah I kind of Switched things up there a little bit so that's on me can

Verawe pull that up she a little bit I mean she's a lot of the eyes are off but there everything else yeah I feel the eyes are like kind

Veraof similar no her more she grew up like a little bit her's but more almond than her I she just looks like she's been through a little bit of stress with the Michael Jackson

Brian Atlasnose do you guys see it yeah like it's Aubrey Plaza sitting next to me hold on let me see if I can find a better one wait who is she she's an actress oh uh parks and wreck have you seen parks and

Brian Atlaswck she's in that that's the only thing I know that she's in she's funny she's anyways just thought that was I just

Brian Atlasknow right chat and like she kind of looks people are saying no not too much insulting to

Brian AtlasAna okay well what looks like okay relax guys looks like okay go ahead oh was a question I

Veratotally forgot I think um we were talking about sex work people telling too much business prior to you know meeting someone that's not important I

Verafeel like a lot of women like when they meet someone they want to go so deaf into the truth about their lives and past lives to someone that's possibly not going to even call them back tomorrow they give way too much uh

Verainformation about the themselves that men are just not really giving back and I feel like yeah a lot of like women specifically give too much like unvaluable information and probably

Veragoing to be used against them so yeah that's what I think H cool story bro um that's including body count too if a man

Veraaskes to me if a man askes you for a body count if he's genuinely concerned I'd ask him well why don't you just ask me for STD test instead of ask me for a body

Veracount yeah but a lot of women like they get they go back and say oh I don't have a dad I don't have a like everything I told you guys I do not even tell guys I'm a like I have a only fans I said I'm a personal assistant you don't tell or

Verasocial media marketer no I do not I do not Le with that at all no I don't tell uh don't you feel like you should I mean don't you think that be fair to to I don't really care about being

Brian Atlasfair okay I mean as life is not fair so why should I be yeah but but it seems like it would be the ethical thing to do to I'm

Brian Atlasunethical I'm in the most unethical job you can have so eal Le I suppose you're honest at least by the way TTS is now 69 if you guys want to get a TTS in um

Veraso even in your relationships you're unethical well what usually happens it's the hardest thing is to break to a guy that I like really met ched to that I have only fans but none of them care

VeraI've never met one like oh really I've never met one that cared but no I don't leave with that like when a man approaches me he like what do you do for a living or what do you do first of all

Veraeither I say nothing like I don't do anything or I'll tell him no sorry go ahead go ahead I just I'll tell him like if I want to impress him I will tell him I'm a personal assistant or I will say

Brian Atlassocial media marketer I would never lead off with only F okay well this is a Checkmate to our previous conversation earlier you were saying that men would rather date a sex worker only fans girl over a woman who works in hold on no no

Brian Atlasno you got to let me finish and then I'll let you talk so you said a man would prefer to date a sex worker only fans girl escort over a woman who works at Chick-fil-A MH do you think a woman

Brian Atlaswho works at Chick-fil-A would lie to men that she works at Chick-fil-A a smart woman should why okay well hold on so what then let's put that aside since

Brian Atlasyou're not going to concede on that if men care like were super stoked on your job or work or whatever why do you not tell them that you're a sex worker because they're going to expect sex

Verawhich I don't like having sex that's why if I tell them if I leave with I'm a sex worker then they're going to think oh well she's going to have sex with me right away which is not the truth or I can like sexually um exploit her right

Veraaway or I can sexually disrespect her I can smack her butt I can touch her boobs I can grou her no I don't want any or I can ask her for I can ask her I can ask her for you know inappropriate pictures or I can disrespect her I don't know if

Verayou notice but my Instagram is a lady Empress because I want to be treated like a lady and all of my content all of my content is me putting on my clothes not taking off that's that's a cool

Brian Atlasstory um but why do you want to be treated like a lady because I'm a lady are you yes just like marn moras just like melenia trumpus yeah but so you

Verawant to be that's cool so you want to be treated like a lady but you're you admitted earlier to being a prostitute and you don't think prostitutes can be ladies you don't think ladies can act like prostitutes as well well opinion is

Veraopinion well it's possible that you could act like a lady but acting like a lady would entail not being a sex worker really I don't think so I don't think sex has anything what does it mean to be

Veraa so explain to me what it means to be a lady being a lady means that you demand respect you know from men that you present yourself you don't respect yourself you're a sex worker of course I respect myself I'm getting paid for

Verahaving sex instead of taking it for free you're literally not respecting yourself in your book in my book I am respect means that you're going to allow someone to pay you for your services disrespect means that you're going to let them do

Destinyit for free I don't see how that oh my God this but me do me having sex with somebody isn't necessarily me doing it for free yeah it

Destinyis no it isn't because I have a Mor I have moral I stand on me if if a guy's going to stick his dick in me it's because it's the only vagina that he's

Veraputting his dick in and you believe that yeah yeah what's the sound effects for that where's the sound effects for that but I mean I asked you earlier if you had a 15-year-old in front of you then

Verano be be if you have parents if you have great parents that are like sending you to college and are providing for you and you come from a great family do not be a sex work but if you come from a l but

Louisawhere are you now in life still a sex worker but how like financially because you you earn quite much money so when is it enough I don't

Verawant to leave sex work though not right now as as much money as I can make off of it it doesn't bother me it bothers other people but it doesn't bother me I enjoy waking up doing absolutely nothing and I enjoy going to bed doing absolutely nothing if I wasn't a sex

Destinyworker I wouldn't have made it on this podcast I'd be working I'm not a sex working I'm here on this podcast because you live in California that is I've lived in Mexico I lived in an orphanage in Mexico so you can get to or finish

Brian Atlasfrom Mexico to here yeah with with what job in Mexico you're the only sex worker on at the table that doesn't even make sense you don't need to be a sex worker to be on the show no I'm saying I have

Veranot got here I myself have not got here if I was not doing only fans I'd be in s Musha what trying to survive you could be doing Beauty you could be doing

Verafashion you could be in Child Healthcare you could be no cannot like you're you're putting all of these like American like benefits I didn't come from there so then you're putting all of

VeraSt Lucia that all of them are sex workers all St St Lucia doesn't have I'm like the biggest and only sex worker in CA if I'm being frankly honest you're the biggest biggest in the whole Eastern

VeraCaribbean yes you're the only sex worker biggest in SAA you can ask anybody you're the only sex worker Ina yes put it in Google Google it please

Verashe's the only prostitute in St l no I said sex I said only fans girl and there's no prostitutes on the street no they're not in s they don't have prostitutes running the streets in I say that but um so yes I'm the biggest sex worker in the whole Eastern Caribbean

Louisathat is a fact wow congrats that do you want a trophy for that or yes thank you where is it um I think I might where is it but to be fair though

LouisaI really think that none of us knows what poverty is M exactly exactly so what so we cannot even imagine what we would do in that situation exactly you

Destinyand not understanding but I in poverty and I'm still not doing things like not really yes really poverty situation my dad was deported when I was 4 years old I've been in foster care since I was

Destinyseven I got kicked out of my house 17 years old I got put in Mexico in an orphanage how did you get here and I got put here because I was working hard who do you live with by myself I pay my own rent doing what working two jobs and I

Verago to school and do you enjoy that I do very much well that that's that's like not what I enjoy I don't want to give my time to anybody else so yeah that's that's my opinion so opinion relatedly if I came from poverty I wouldn't want

Verato bust my ass in a country with giving all of my time making someone else's establishment rich and not myself who then that's you I'm working towards me building my own establish so the the point of the

Veraargument was that laying down with a man for free just because he told you something nice you know means that you don't value yourself no it doesn't I I

Veradefinitely agree that you believe that but have you ever had sex like without before I was the only fence girl yes I did okay and I could tell you every single man that you know I was you know

Veraafter or was after me they did not respect me or like me when I came into my down times and I needed like doing this Co time when I had to you know result that was there anything interesting about yourself for them to

Veralike other than you yes of course I'm the most talented person in this room yes of course that's a that's aone I so what's your talent wait what what's your

Veratalent I can sing I do bess I used I played the violin for 13 years I'm very good at acting in all sorts adult included I'm a professional jump roper

Verajump I'm an athlete yes a professional jump roper an athlete I do tennis profal how do you become a professional jump she's the best jump if you so you have a lot of good qualities like singing and why don't you do a career of that I do

Verado singing that's the thing I just didn't leave with that wait into speak straight into the mic I do do singing you're the best jump roper in St L yeah I'm I mean I'm not ashamed of that jump

Veraring is a serious sport if people who don't know about it I think they have in D yeah yeah yeah the jump roping serious serious it's in the Olympics actually yeah no not in Olympics it's not one

Verait's very serious so one of these days it'll be yeah it'll be in the Olympics soon here I think uh isn't it still like a lot of work to be a sex worker no I wake up and do

Veranothing so a lot of like only fans a lot of people have this like delusion that we make content all day our money doesn't come from content it comes from marketing so social Med marketing so we

Verahave groups retweet groups so retweeting do you do all of your marketing yourself yes I and how long how what do you do to Market yourself retweet groups you know Reddit groups we have every every worker

Verahas different social media marketing tactics there are women that have managers I for say do not have a manager cuz I don't want to give a man that ability to my account cuz I would call that pimping um so you no sex work is

Veranot what you think it is not like I'm getting up every day and running after men no a bunch of like pictures you don't you don't have to take pictures you only like I don't I don't see how like that even like gets you anywhere though without having to do like a bunch

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