HEATED DEBATE! She INSULTS Brian?! MAJOR DISAGREEMENTS! Woke Liberal Girls ANGRY?! | Dating Talk 278

Date: 2026-01-19

Duration: 9h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

TTaylor (Alabama)>

AAlina (Russia)>

AAngelie Phillips >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Lenley(guest)

SPEAKER_03Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_05Angelie Phillips(guest)

SPEAKER_10Bi(guest)

SPEAKER_11Sakura(guest)

SPEAKER_12Alina (Russia)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Abby (Twin)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Taylor (Alabama)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 9 guests introduce themselves

ControversyBrian challenges Catholic twins on thirst-trap photos, cites 1 Timothy 2:9

Key MomentBrian cites 3 Bible verses on submission; Christian guests resist

ControversyLenley calls Brian misogynistic

Key MomentBrian has Sakura's full plastic surgery history: 2 nose jobs, boobs, fillers, Botox, Ozempic

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests including Sakura (JAV actress), twins Abby/Alice, Lenley (lesbian)

Christianity vs Instagram

Brian challenges Catholic twins on thirst-trap photos.

Biblical Submission

Brian cites Ephesians, Colossians, 1 Peter on wifely submission.

ICE Debate

Lenley calls Brian misogynistic over submission views.

Looks Ratings

Brian gives clinical facial analysis ratings.

Bow Video

Brian shows ex bowing. Debate on submission.

Body Count Round

Morgan 12, Sakura ~150, Lenley 6, Alina 2, Taylor 4.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasWelcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape. I'm your host, Brent Atlas. We're going to just jump right in and have the guests

Lenleyintroduce themselves. Go ahead. >> Hi, I am Lenley. I am from South Georgia and I am a full-time dog groomer and I do Only Fans on the side. >> Age? I'm 21.

Bi>> All right. Any college or education? >> I am halfway through my business degree at BSU. >> All right. What about you?

Bi>> Hi, I'm Bi and I'm from Taiwan and right now I do uh modeling in Only Fans, too. >> Okay. And uh age?

Brian Atlas>> I'm 22. >> 22. Okay. And you you live in Taiwan or >> Yeah, I live in Taiwan. >> Live in Taiwan. Gotcha. Okay. And how long have you been doing Only Fans for?

Brian Atlas>> Like half a year. >> Only half a year. >> Yeah, only half year. >> What's the tattoo there? What's that? What's that say? Can you >> It's my grandma. >> It's my grandma birthday. >> Okay. Grandma's birthday.

Morgan>> Okay. Do you have your grandpa's birthday anywhere or? >> No, for memory. Just for memory. >> Just for memory. Okay. What about you? >> Um, my name's Morgan. I'm 18. Um, I'm

Morganfrom Michigan and I'm in nursing school right now, freshman. And I just have a basic like frozen yogurt shop job and I work at a dress store.

Brian Atlas>> Gotcha. And have you done any college or anything? University? >> Yeah, college. >> Okay. >> In Taiwan, too. >> What What were you studying? >> I study social media and news.

Brian Atlas>> Social media news. Okay. And are you still in school or >> No, I graduated. You graduated? Do you have a bachelor's degree or? >> No. >> No. Okay. What about you?

Taylor (Alabama)>> My name is Taylor. I'm from Alabama. I do full-time only fans and I do have an associates degree. >> Age? >> 24. >> Uh, associates degree in what?

Brian Atlas>> Spa and management. >> Spa. Spa management. >> Spa and management. Like >> spa and management. Okay. Uh, do you have a spa or >> No. >> Do you do you use that at all or not?

Taylor (Alabama)Really? >> I did do it for a little bit, but it's not the right time to pursue that. >> Oh, we got we got Georgia, Taiwan, Michigan,

Brian AtlasAlabama. Is this the first guest we've had from Alabama? Maybe. Congrats. >> Yay. >> What What uh what city in Alabama? >> Aniston. It's like 45 minutes from Birmingham.

Abby (Twin)>> Gotcha. Okay. What about you? Um, I'm Abby. I'm from Michigan. I'm 19 and I'm a student studying psychology. >> All right. And uh what uh what school do you go to?

Brian Atlas>> Uh a community college. >> Community. Okay. And you said sorry, you're studying what is it again? >> Psychology. >> Psychology. Okay. Um are you on the quarter or the semester? >> Uh system. >> It's my first year.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, it's your first year. But you've you've already finished your first semester. >> Uh yeah. No. Wait. No, it's my first semester. My bad. >> Oh, you just started college? >> Yes. >> Okay.

Brian AtlasNormally, uh, don't people start up like, uh, in the fall or whatever? >> Not you, though. >> I started in the fall. >> So, you're in your second semester? >> Yes. >> Okay, gotcha. And you're studying psychology?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Are you Have you taken any psychology classes? >> Uh, in high school, I did. >> In college, though, like what classes did you take? >> Uh, general psychology. You you took a general psychology class

Brian Atlasjust like a month ago basically. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Um did you uh did you pass? >> Yes. >> Uh give me uh what was your one big

Brian Atlastakeaway from that class? >> Uh like like what I learned. >> Well, I mean not everything you learned, but what's like one of the biggest

Abby (Twin)takeaways from that class? Um, I can't think of anything at the moment. >> But you just I mean it was just like a month ago, right? >> Yeah. >> Nothing off the the dome. >> No, >> not like did you have to write an essay

Brian Atlasat the end? >> Um, no. >> No essays? >> An exam? >> There was an exam. Okay. Is there anything you remember from that class that you could relay to us that might be of interest? >> Not anything I can think of at the

Sakuramoment. >> It's a community college or >> Yes. Okay. All right. Uh, we'll get into that more later perhaps. What about you?

Sakura>> I'm Sakura, age 25. I'm from Singapore. Uh, I do only fans, DJ, and also porn in Japan. >> Okay. Um, and you're Singaporean?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, I'm from Singapore. >> Okay. And you you do porn in in Japan, not >> Japan and Taiwan. >> Okay. And you do Only Fans, too? >> Yes. >> Okay. And when you say you do porn, like

Brian Atlasyou do like the there's a production company and it's all very professional or whatever. >> Yes, I do studio porn. >> What's it called? Jav, I think it >> Jav like Japanese AV. Yeah.

Sakura>> What does that stand for? >> I just mean like Japanese AV. Yeah, like Japanese porn. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um, and you've been doing that for how long?

SakuraMy first debut film is like next month and I've been doing Only Fans for two years and DJ for many years. >> You DJ? >> Yeah, for many years. >> Do the Yeah, that's cool. Um All right,

Taylor (Alabama)cool. What about you? >> Um my name is Alice and I'm from Michigan. I'm 19 years old and right now I'm at a community college and I'm

Brian Atlasstudying in marketing management and I'm trying to go for my associates. All right. Uh, one big takeaway from college this past semester or quarter or

Taylor (Alabama)whatever. >> Um, probably just like um with like learning everything and like the marketing and like the consumers and stuff like that.

Brian Atlas>> But like I I know that you were studying marketing, but if there was one principle that you learned like are you how many classes are you taking? Two, three, four? Oh, I just like started like my marketing class like last week.

Taylor (Alabama)>> No, but you were just in you were taking some classes >> like last semester. >> Last semester. >> Yeah, but those weren't marketing ones. >> Oh, what what did you take? >> Um, I took English, I took communications, and that's it for my first one. >> Just two classes.

Taylor (Alabama)>> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh, what about for communication? What's the one big takeaway from your comm class? >> Um, for like the communication class, we just basically like did it. It was like online. So it was like you would just

Taylor (Alabama)talk. It was like there was a demonstration speech that we had to do and that was like >> a speech. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But is there like a academic uh con a communication concept that you could relay to us that you

Taylor (Alabama)learned? >> Um I can't think of anything. Yeah. >> Okay. What about you? Hello guys, my name is Angelie Phillips. I'm from Witchah, Kansas. I'm based out

Taylor (Alabama)of Dallas, Texas for commercial modeling and acting. I do this for my career. This is my full-time career is commercial modeling and acting. I've

Taylor (Alabama)been in two movies. I started about 2 years ago, but I [clears throat] live in Kansas and right now I'm taking care of family that is

Taylor (Alabama)going through cancer treatments and my family comes first no matter what. And I will never stand on any other front besides that. My family comes first. >> Okay. Uh did you say your age?

Brian Atlas>> I'm 22. >> 22 from Kansas. >> Yes, sir. >> Not in Kansas anymore. >> Uh we're not in Kansas anymore. Where's Toto? And uh did you you say like education or anything? I might have.

Taylor (Alabama)>> So I'm about to start my mechanical engineering degree actually in about 2 weeks >> for WSU. >> All right. Cool. All right. What about you? >> My name is Alina. I'm 21 years old. I'm

Alina (Russia)from Penza, Russia, but I currently live in Philadelphia and I'm a student studying for a Bachelor of Business Administration. >> All right, rock and roll. Welcome

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Lenleyaround the table, what's your relationship status? So, are you single? How long you've been single, etc., et >> I am, it's actually complicated, but I'm actually single and it's been

Lenley>> probably four months, but I do still live with my ex-girlfriend. So, that's why it's complicated. >> Complicated. So, you live with your ex-girlfriend? >> I do. >> And you you've been with her for four months.

Brian Atlas>> We have been broken up for four months. >> Broken up for four months. >> Yes. But we still live together. >> And how long were y'all together? >> We were together for like nine months. Okay, let me just I need to adjust your

Brian Atlasmicrophone a little bit. Can you like bring it this way? >> Uh, that's one way to like scoot it that way. >> Just scoot it and then turn the top

Brian Atlasstraight towards you. Perfect. Perfect. That'll do for now. Uh, okay. Longest relationship ever? >> Um, a year and a half. >> 1. Is that uh with a guy or a girl?

Brian Atlas>> That was with a guy. >> Okay. And your orientation is what? >> I'm a lesbian. You're a lesbian. >> I am. >> Uh, in your notes, I thought you had indicated that you had dated men. I thought you were bisexual.

Brian Atlas>> I had dated men previously. I came out as a lesbian when I was 18. >> Oh, okay. >> Yes. I dated men in high school. >> I see. Okay. So, you're you're a lesbian. I am. >> So, in the past, ever since you came out, you have not dated or slept with any men?

Brian Atlas>> I have not. >> Okay. And you currently live with your somewhat complicated, >> not really girlfriends, but kind of girlfriend. Yes. >> Okay. Do you guys still sleep together? >> We do.

Brian Atlas>> Uh not in like in the same room. >> Yes. >> But also you have intercourse. >> Yes. >> As far as lesbians can have intercourse, I guess.

Brian Atlas>> Indeed. >> Um Okay. But so you broke up, but you guys are still having sex. >> Yes. >> That is uh >> Sounds dumb. I know. So you guys aren't

Brian Atlasreally So you guys are sleeping with other people then or? >> No. >> Okay. So you still live together? You still have sex? >> Yes. >> So what has actually changed >> since you broke up four months ago?

Brian Atlas>> Nothing has changed. We're both just kind of working on ourselves. >> Okay. Would >> and taking some time apart from the the pressure relationship. >> You are technically broken up. Yes. So,

Brian Atlasif you were to go have uh a a rendevous with a lovely lady here in California, she would have no problem with that.

Brian Atlas>> Um I feel that she would have a problem, but technically she cannot >> Okay. Be >> now. And she's back home in Georgia. Is it Georgia? >> All right. She goes down to Atlanta and gets herself a hood rat.

Brian Atlas>> Uh are you going to have a problem with that? [laughter] She just she actually she's she's been looking forward to this trip of yours cuz she was >> she can go yeah >> just run through these hood rats in in Atlanta. She's going to do it.

Lenley>> I guess that she has full right seeing as we are broken up >> and but would you have an issue with it? Like would you feel a type of way? >> Would I be jealous? Probably. Yeah. But would I say anything? No. >> Huh. Okay. >> Probably not.

Bi>> All right. >> Because we're broken up and I accept that. >> Interesting. Okay. >> It's like a mutual thing. So >> Huh. Okay. Okay, cool. >> Uh, what's your relationship status? >> I'm single right now. Okay. >> For half year. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Half a year. >> Mhm. >> Uh, all right. Longest relationship? >> Yeah. Three year. >> Is that the one that ended half a year ago? >> Yeah. >> Who broke up with who? >> Um, me.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> And when did you start doing the Only Fans? >> Like half a year ago. >> Half a year ago. So, was the doing the Only Fans, did that have anything to do

Brian Atlaswith the breakup? >> No. Nothing. It's not. >> Wait, did you start it right after you broke up with your boyfriend? >> Kind of. Kind of. >> Kind of.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Did he know you were going to start an Only Fans? >> Yeah, he know. He's okay with that. >> But you guys had already broken up by the time we started it. >> Yeah. But were you guys arguing? Like

Biyou you wanted to start the only fans and then were you guys arguing? >> Actually, no. Because he's my photographer. Like he will help me do my

Brian Atlassocial media or something like that. >> Oh, so he Do you guys still >> We're still talking but not dating. Yeah. Helping me. >> So he's your photographer. He does the

Brian Atlascontent for you. Do you do BG content? >> No, only solo content. No, like girl, girl or anything? Just solo content? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, he photographs you nude

Bi>> naked? >> No, no, no. I take picture by myself. He only help me with social media. >> Oh, like the social media. Okay. He doesn't take the nude photos, >> but he'll take the >> You doing like dance? >> Yeah, like that.

Taylor (Alabama)>> What's the most recent dance you've done? Sorry. >> Like tea dance. >> The what? >> Tea talk dance. >> Yeah. Can you show us >> like at the table? >> Do it. >> You can do it. You can do it. [laughter]

BiI believe in you. >> I bet you'll look real good doing it. >> There's a cute dance. I forgot. Like she forgot. >> You can do it. >> You remember. >> What about you? Relationship status.

Morgan>> Um I'm currently single. >> Okay. Uh how long you been single for? >> About wait probably eight or nine months. And it's

Brian Atlasa blessing. Let me say >> it's a blessing. Uh it's a blessing to be single or it's a blessing to be broken up from your ex-boyfriend. >> Kind of both, but mostly to be broken up with my ex-boyfriend.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Uh longest relationship. >> Two years. >> Is that the ex-boyfriend? >> Yes. >> Okay. Who broke up with who? >> I broke up with him. >> Uh had you guys ever been on again, off

Brian Atlasagain? >> Yes. >> How many times? >> Like five. Who would do the breakup? >> He would always do the breaking up with me. >> Except for this last time. >> Yes. >> Okay. Why did you break up with him?

Morgan>> Because it got to a point where I really just was like sick of him. >> You You were sick of like >> How so? >> It was just like the roles kind of almost swapped. Like he would break up

Morganwith me all the time cuz he didn't want to like be with me or like he would just get bored or whatever. He just didn't know what he wanted. But then towards the end of our like two-year relationship, he kind of was like set on

Brian Atlaslike being with me forever and I was kind of like set on like I don't want to be with him anymore. >> So I broke up with him. >> Okay. All right. Um

Brian Atlasand uh in the nine months you've been single, uh are there Well, I'll ask this. Currently, are there any guys in the picture? >> No.

MorganNo, nothing. >> I mean, there's a couple like like like a couple guys that like I flirt with here and there or like some guys that I think like

Morganare like good people that like I would think about dating, but nothing like serious. Like I'm not talking or like dating anyone right now. >> But are there guys like when's the last time you uh hung out with a guy or went

Morganon a date? I actually just went on a date last Tuesday. >> Was it the first date, second date, third date? >> It [clears throat] was the first date. >> First date last Tuesday. You going to

Brian Atlassee him again or no? >> I'm not completely sure, but I might. >> You might. Okay. What did you guys uh And when you say you went on a date, like, did you just go over to his place or did you actually go out and do

Brian Atlassomething? >> Um, we went to this hot pot place in Frankenmouth and we just went out to dinner. >> Okay, got it. And uh in the nine months though, has there been any guys you've

Morganseen like for a month, two months, a few weeks, anything like that? >> Not necessarily. No. >> No rebound. >> Maybe one, but it's more just like a

Brian Atlaskind of like a friendship. >> Friendship. Okay. All right. What about you? >> I'm married. >> You're married. All right. How long you been married for? >> September will be a year. >> Oh, wait. Uh, September will be a Wait,

Taylor (Alabama)September. Hold on. What the [ __ ] >> Wait a minute. No. September. Two years. A year. I've been married a year. >> That saying. Don't hate me, husband. >> Wait. Wait. Saying Wait, like next September? >> No. Yeah. Uh,

Brian Atlas>> that's like if I wished you merry Christmas right now. What you just did? >> No. No. Really? >> Like, oh, I hope you have a good Christmas. Merry Christmas. >> No, that was last month. >> No, no, no. But I'm saying like in

Brian Atlasadvance. >> But that's like four months in September. It's like, wait, repeat what you said again. You said in September

Brian Atlasit'll be >> um I meant two years in September. >> So in like eight months it'll be two

Brian Atlasyears. >> You're [laughter] it's it's if if it was July, I think you could get away with in September. >> Not really because >> Yes. Really?

Taylor (Alabama)>> That's like the 4th of July. What? Wait, what? >> What? >> In September. >> You You tell Okay, I may have should not have said se September would be too, but

Taylor (Alabama)actually you said it would be the same as Christmas. So, technically, no, cuz that would be like last month. >> No. So, you're doing a category error.

Brian Atlas>> So, the the what [laughter] when I it's too soon. The point I'm The point I'm trying to make is by saying if I was to wish you merry Christmas as in Christmas

Brian Atlas2026, it's too soon for for me to say that. When you say in September, it'll be this. September is 8 months away. >> So your statement is a bit peculiar is what I'm trying to

Brian Atlassay. >> Well, now you'll know in September you can wish me happy anniversary. >> Like you might as well say in [ __ ] 2030 we will be together for 5 years. That's a little dramatic because that's

Brian Atlasfour more years. >> Uh, okay. So, anyway, so you've been together How about let's let's do this. It's currently January. How long you've been together? >> How long [laughter] we've been together? >> Yeah. How long you've been together?

Brian Atlas>> Um, >> how long you've been married? >> A year. >> So, you got married a year ago? >> Yes. >> Okay. And then together for how long? >> Six years.

Taylor (Alabama)>> Six years. Okay. It took him a while to pop the question. Or did you propose to him? >> I was begging like begging cuz like I mean I wasn't begging him like come on

Brian Atlaslet's marry me. But you know it was time. So and he was ready. I mean when it came down to it it was. >> And you're 24 right? >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> So you guys were uh met in high school maybe or just after high school? >> High school. >> Well you're 24. You've been together six years. So you would have been 18. So,

Brian Atlas>> I was 18, but he's not my age. >> You met when you were 18, though? >> Yes. >> How old is he? >> He's 40 >> currently. >> 40. >> Yeah. Yeah. 40. 40 currently. So, he was

Brian Atlasuh >> 34 when you guys met. 34 18 age gap. Okay. I'm sure the girls will have thoughts on that. We'll get into the age gap convo. Uh, all right. So, you've

Brian Atlasbeen together 6 years. I'm assuming that's your longest relationship. Yes. Okay. What about you? >> Um I'm single. >> All right. How long you been single for? >> Uh since 2020. >> So forever basically.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Cuz cuz you're 19, so that would So you had a boyfriend in like >> Um it was a girl. >> It was a girl. Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. And uh >> how long were you seeing the the girl, I guess?

Brian Atlas>> Um 5 months. >> Five months. Okay. So you've been single for 5 years basically. >> Yeah. Uh, so this you were a freshman in high school, sophomore.

Brian Atlas>> No, I was 13. I in eighth grade. >> Okay. Uh. Huh. >> Yeah. >> Eighth. And so are you bisexual or

Brian Atlaslesbian? >> Um, I don't I don't label myself no more. >> Are your glasses corrective, by the way? Like, uh, are they? >> Um, I have no idea. What do you mean?

Abby (Twin)>> Like reflective? >> Correct. Like >> Oh, yes. I do need to wear them. I won't be able to see. >> Okay, that's fine. Uh, no contacts. >> No. >> Um, okay. So, you had a uh a lesbian relationship at

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> in grade school, 8th grade? >> Uh, okay. And nothing since then? >> No boyfriends? >> I'm not interested in it. >> Okay. So, you're by though?

Brian Atlas>> Uh, no. I'm unlabeled. What do you mean you're unlabeled? >> I don't label it. I don't find a reason to label it. >> Uh, have you ever felt a romantic or sexual attraction to a man?

Abby (Twin)>> Um, I felt romantic attraction to them before. >> To them? >> Men? >> Oh, men. Okay. Uh, okay. Do you date at all? >> Um, no.

Brian Atlas>> No dating? >> No, I don't need to right now. >> Why is that? >> Uh, I'm young in school. Well, I think I should focus on that. >> Okay. Uh, well, at some point when you

Brian Atlasdo start dating, do you uh anticipate you'll primarily be like, if you were to download a dating app, would you want to be swiping on both men and women?

Sakura>> Um, yeah. >> Okay. What about you? >> Uh, I'm single for two years. >> Single for two years. Longest

Sakurarelationship? >> 3 years. three years. Was that the one that ended two years ago? >> Yeah, it's the it's during the co >> during the co >> Yeah. So, it was a COVID relationship >> and

Brian Atlas>> the pandemic. >> Okay. And it ended two years ago. Got it. Um, when you first met him, had you already been involved in sex work?

Sakura>> Uh, back then during the lockdown, so all the clubs in Singapore closed down. Uh, I was not in sex work. I was doing like just club DJs and gigs and that's

Taylor (Alabama)how we got together like when we were drunk. >> Okay, good. Got it. Got it. What about you? >> Um I am single and I've been single my

Brian Atlaswhole entire life. >> Uh single your entire life? Okay. Um never had a boyfriend or nothing like a

Taylor (Alabama)situationship or anything? Um, I've never had a situationship, but I have talked to a few guys here and there, but it's just like never like anything serious yet because I want to find like

Brian Atlasthe right person for me. >> Okay. Um, h what's the longest period of time you have seen anybody or somebody?

Brian Atlas>> Probably like um not long at all. >> Have you said uh I love you to anybody? No.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Um, are you What's your orientation? >> Um, I'm straight. >> Straight. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> So, a month maybe you saw somebody or >> like maybe like a month or something. Yeah. >> Are you a virgin? >> Um, yeah. >> Okay. Are you waiting until marriage? >> Yeah. >> Are you Christian? >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> What denomination? >> Um, I'm Catholic. I was baptized Catholic. >> Catholic. Okay. >> Yeah. Uh before I get to you really quick going back to you. Uh are you also Christian? >> Yes.

Abby (Twin)>> Denomination? >> Uh Catholic. >> You guys are sisters. >> Twins. >> Yeah. >> Twins. She's older than you. >> I'm 3 minutes older. >> Oh, wait. Hold on. >> You're fraternal twins. >> Oh, wait. Yeah, you guys are the same age. My mistake. >> You guys are fraternal twins. A That's

Alina (Russia)so sweet. >> Oh, I see it now. [laughter] >> Yeah. Uh >> fraternal twins. >> Yes, sir. Cuz like they're not identical. >> Maybe it's the hair color. The hair color is throwing. >> Yeah, they kind of have different

Alina (Russia)colored eyes too. A little bit. >> Yeah, her eyes are darker. They have the same face shape though. >> Yeah. >> Wait, just temporarily pop your glasses off. >> Yeah. Fame face shape and nose. I see it

Brian Atlasnow a little bit more. >> Yeah, that makes sense. Um Okay. Um All right. Um so are you a virgin also? Yeah.

Abby (Twin)>> Okay. Are you waiting until marriage? >> Um, I don't want to have intercourse ever. >> Ever? >> No. >> Wait, are you trolling or if >> I'm serious? >> Good for you. >> Has she You're her sister. Have you

Taylor (Alabama)talked to her about this? >> Um, yeah. And our friends have talked about it with her. >> So, you never want to have intercourse? >> No. It doesn't address me. >> What about with a woman? >> No. >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Uhuh. >> So, you're asexual. You're ace. I mean, if you can label it like that. >> Okay. So, you you do want to get married, though. >> Maybe. >> Maybe. >> Are you a-romantic?

Abby (Twin)>> Possibly. I I don't know what my sexuality is. >> You You don't know what your sexuality is? >> No. That's why I say I'm unlabeled. Sorry.

Taylor (Alabama)>> Do you ever feel attraction to anyone? >> Um, rarely. What makes you just feel so special about yourself when you're in the presence of another person?

Taylor (Alabama)>> Like a per like >> What makes you feel special about yourself when you're in the presence of another person? >> What? Huh? [laughter]

Taylor (Alabama)>> Okay. >> No, seriously. >> It's a real thing because you have to love yourself first and you have to be able to understand yourself before you can love another person. And I feel like

Taylor (Alabama)you're in that area of your life where you truly need to love yourself. >> I do. >> You need to find those areas about yourself that excites you. >> In order for you to love anybody else, you got to love yourself. Oh, baby girl.

Taylor (Alabama)>> I do love myself. [clears throat] >> Wait, what was what was the question you posed to her? Can you repeat it? >> H. It was, "What is it about?" >> Can you into the microphone?

Taylor (Alabama)>> What makes you feel special or something? What makes you feel special about yourself in the presence of other people? >> I don't even know what that means. What does that I don't even know what that I'm sorry.

Taylor (Alabama)>> If I am in the presence of another person and they give me a card. When I'm in the presence of this other person, I feel special because they gave

Taylor (Alabama)me a card saying that I am special in this way or another. Okay. That makes me feel special when I'm in the presence of another person. >> You're you're special. You're >> I'm special ed. I'm on the short bus. I'm on the short bus. Let's get that

Brian Atlasstraight. [laughter] >> Let's get that straight. >> Uh okay. So single nothing. No nothing. >> Wait, what?

Brian Atlas>> No, for for her. Um she's had >> uh Okay. Uh interesting. For real. Are you in a sorority >> in college? No. Anybody here in a

Brian Atlassorority? >> Nobody. Okay. Uh relationship status. >> I'm single. Okay. How long you've been single for? >> I've been single for two years now. >> All right. Longest relationship? >> Two years. >> Two years. Who broke up with who?

Taylor (Alabama)>> I broke up with him. >> Okay. Um, >> single. Single for two years. Oh, the reason >> the reason was because we didn't want the same things. I want a family one

Taylor (Alabama)day. I want kids. I want to be a mother. I want to raise good children to put a great impression on this world. And a man that can't give that to me. Well,

Alina (Russia)he's no worse in my life. >> Valid. Uh, okay. Alina, what about you? >> I'm in a relationship for five years and it's my longest one. >> Longest one. All right. Rock and roll,

Brian Atlascomrade. >> I'm proud of you. >> Welcome, comrade. [laughter] >> Uh, okay guys, we're going to get into some of the topics. We got some great topics today. Some really interesting ones. Really quick, just uh going to do

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Brian Atlaswell uh we got everybody's relationship status so we're going to just dive right into the very first topic and I want to start with something a little bit uh a little bit controversial a little bit heated some of you had pretty strong

Brian Atlasdisagreements with me so I'd love to just jump into those uh let me pull pull up my notes here and prompt somebody on this. So, why don't we h where do we

Brian Atlasbegin? Uh, we're going to start with Abby. Abby, uh, so you're a Christian. You're Catholic. >> Yes. >> Okay. I noticed you had a Christian

Brian Atlascross emoji in your Instagram bio. Uh, and you go to like church every Sunday. >> Um, no, but I want to. >> Okay. But you are you do consider yourself a Christian. You believe in

Brian AtlasGod. You're a Catholic. Okay. Uh, you have a septum piercing. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's not at all related to that, but I just noticed that. Putting that in my notes there. Maybe we'll talk about

Brian Atlasthat. Um, a couple things here. So, and it relates to your prompt. Um, h well, I I think really quick, the first thing I

Brian Atlasnoticed on your Instagram, uh, well, hm. So, you're uh you're well, you're you're kind of asexual, right? >> Yeah. Like, but you would date women.

Brian Atlas>> Um, yeah. >> So, look, I'm not a Catholic. Can you tell me uh from a Catholic perspective? From a Christian perspective, uh, is that allowed? >> Um, to date women,

Alina (Russia)>> love is love, right? >> Wait, it's Wait, what? Love is love, right? >> For Christians, >> for anybody. Like, you can love anybody. >> You're supposed to love your neighbor.

Taylor (Alabama)So, like, what are you talking about? What if your neighbors like it's >> doesn't matter. You're supposed to love everybody. You're supposed to love everybody the way Christ does. That's what a real Christian is.

Alina (Russia)>> Yeah. I'm not sure what that has to do with the discussion at hand, but um Okay, Alina, you had something. >> Doesn't it go against Christianity to be in a samesex relationship? >> Um I'm not really sure about that. It

Brian Atlascould be. >> Well, let's if it was, what what would you uh what would go first for you? what would be superseding uh what the Bible tells you, what God tells you, what the

Brian AtlasCatholic faith faith tells you, or your own uh human mortal desires. >> Um I'm not sure what I would do.

Brian Atlas>> Well, we're asking you. >> Oh. Um it depends like on the situation. >> What do you mean it depends on the situation? Uh, like

Alina (Russia)I don't I I really don't know how to explain it. Like I don't know. >> What do you mean you don't? >> Like what are what are some situations

Alina (Russia)in which you would choose your human instinct over God's word? >> Like what are some examples of of those? >> Like what would his word be though? Like it just depends on the context. Well,

Alina (Russia)like anything that's biblical, anything that's uh suggested to do by a priest or a pastor. >> Oh. Um, probably follow God's word, >> right?

Alina (Russia)So, what what would you do in a situation where you're conflicted? Uh, should I follow God's word or should I follow my human nature? >> Follow God's word.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, okay. Interesting. Um, I also noticed on your Instagram you do uh you got some cheek you got cheeks out >> on your Instagram. >> Yeah. >> Uh like here are [snorts] my cheeks type

Abby (Twin)pictures. >> Yeah. Well, that was at a concert so it's allowed. >> It It's >> Wait, it's allowed at a concert? >> Yes. >> You can wear anything at a concert. >> It's You should keep it a little appropriate.

Alina (Russia)>> Like what what is appropriate? What's appropriate attire? Uh, whatever like the artist wears like >> are they Christian?

Brian Atlas>> I have no idea. >> So So if the artist was wearing an anti-God >> statement on that, >> right? So then your argument just goes completely out the door. If the artist wears it, it's okay for me to wear it.

Brian AtlasWell, >> not necessarily then, >> right? >> Yeah. Um, look, I don't really give a [ __ ] I just notice a bit of a conflict. I think when it comes to Christians and

Brian AtlasCatholics seem to be the more serious branch, one of the more serious branches of Christianity. Um I think there is a call to modesty and I think it's a bit

Brian Atlasconflicting to be look again I I don't give a [ __ ] but when it's for example if somebody eats meat I don't care. I eat meat. I don't care. But if somebody tells me they're vegan or vegetarian and

Brian AtlasI see them eating a hot dog or a hamburger, I have no problem with people eating hot dogs and hamburgers. But if you're a vegan or vegetarian eating a hot dog and hamburger, I'm like, "Wait,

Abby (Twin)hold on. That's contradictory." So, um, how do you reconcile that? um that you should follow like the rules of

Alina (Russia)what you want to be like how you label yourself and not like do something against it. >> How you label yourself? How how do you label yourself >> like of like labeling like how like sexuality, religion?

Alina (Russia)>> Well, I remember you saying you didn't like labels. >> So, how [laughter] how does that make sense? Because you said it's depends on how you label yourself, but it doesn't seem like you like to label yourself.

Abby (Twin)>> Yes. I mean, I just I'm not sure.

Brian Atlas>> You're not You're not sure? Well, how about this? Um, if you were uh if I were to present to you a Bible verse that instructed uh Christians to dress modestly,

Brian Atlasknowing this, perhaps you didn't know it in the past, would you make a commitment here on the Whatever podcast to adhere to biblical scripture, Christian doctrine, and no longer dress in an

Abby (Twin)immodest way? Um, I mean, I'm sure like God wouldn't really mind how what you wear as long as you like

Alina (Russia)love him and like follow certain rules. >> God God wouldn't mind what you wear. >> What about when you go to church? Like if you go church in like underwear, like God wouldn't mind that.

Abby (Twin)>> Wait, what? >> If you go to church in underwear, God wouldn't mind. >> Uh, I mean, you shouldn't dress like that there. You should wear modest clothes at >> So what about your everyday life? You shouldn't do the same thing in your everyday life. You shouldn't dress

Taylor (Alabama)modestly. >> Um well, it's up to you. It's your life and it's however you want to run it. >> I mean, every day that I dress modestly, I feel much better about myself when I'm walking down the street because I don't have weirdo men staring at me

Taylor (Alabama)provocatively because I'm showing everything, you know? Right? >> I'd rather walk down the street, everything is concealed opposed to have some me some weirdo

Taylor (Alabama)staring at me in lust. >> You know, being a Christian, we're supposed to observe that within ourselves and give that image out to other people. Monkey see, monkey do.

Brian AtlasYeah. [laughter] >> So, uh, one Timothy 2:9, uh, women adorn themselves in modest apparel.

Brian AtlasUh so bit conflicting. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So given that Well, I guess let me ask you this. Um do

Abby (Twin)you believe the Bible is the inspired word of God? >> Um yeah, maybe. No. No. >> Is it? >> Because it wasn't written by him, was

Brian Atlasit? >> Hold on. Okay. 2 Timothy 3:16. uh scripture is God breathed.

Brian AtlasSo rejecting clear commands is disagreement with God. Okay. Do you disagree with God?

Abby (Twin)>> Uh no. >> Okay. So,

Brian Atlasokay. Would you are you going to continue to dress him modestly? >> Um I mean it's my life. If I can do what I want. >> Okay, hold on. John 14:15. >> There you go. >> If you love if you love me, keep my commandments.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay, so Jesus affirms scripture as binding. So do you think that um do you think that God's word, so what's

Brian Atlasin the Bible, scripture, do you think it's not authoritative? >> Um no, >> it's not authoritative. >> No.

Alina (Russia)Um, >> so what is the point of the what is the point of the Bible for Christians if it's not authoritative? What's the point of it? >> If you don't live by the word, what are you living by? Yourself? Your own

Taylor (Alabama)understanding? Because I live by the word and God's understanding that he's given through me. You know, I don't go on my own understanding. I don't say, "Oh, this is okay, but this

Angelie Phillipsis okay, and this is okay, but that's okay, too. But that's wrong. But then that's okay. Like you got to make up your mind in some area or another, baby girl. >> Right. >> You really got to understand you're either living for Christ or you're living for yourself.

Angelie Phillips>> Right. Well, if you think about it, I still have a lot of time to figure it out. I'm still young. >> You don't though. Tomorrow you could die. We could all die tomorrow. That's true. >> Tomorrow the He could come back and take us all back to heaven. >> He could take us all back tomorrow. He

Angelie Phillipscould take us back right now. and you having this misunderstanding of what he really is. That's your problem. That's not his. That's your problem. We all want you to go to heaven. I want you to go to heaven. But [snorts]

Taylor (Alabama)we're going to forget you if you don't go >> right. >> You know what I mean? You have to accept him as your savior. You have to live by the word. You have to really understand

Taylor (Alabama)it and take it in. You know, fast and prayer. That's stronger than anything you can consume in your life. Fasting and prayer. Maybe you should try it for a few days, bro. >> Shut the [ __ ] up.

Angelie Phillips>> I'm glad someone said it. >> Mary, I'll hands old pratt. Okay. [laughter] Um. >> Oh, it's okay. I don't really care if people disagree with my faith because I know where my faith comes from. >> Okay.

Angelie Phillips>> I know for me to come here today. Me. >> Wait, what? Sorry. What? >> Well, I mean, if people are going to tell me to shut the [ __ ] up, >> what? [laughter]

Angelie PhillipsSorry, what? >> I mean, I paid for myself to be here and people are just telling me to shut the [ __ ] up. I mean, if you guys want me to leave, tell me that. Don't just tell me to shut up. Come on, be a little more respectful.

Brian Atlas>> Mary, >> I am so sorry. >> You need to shut the [ __ ] up, Mary. If somebody's prattling, I'll tell them to shut the [ __ ] up. How about that? >> Yes, sir. Um, in any case though, you

Brian Atlasgot to kind of land the plane a little bit. Um, so, okay, >> what >> what's your response?

Brian Atlas>> Um, I'll study the Bible more and >> Well, I've just laid it out for you in a pretty coherent way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

Alina (Russia)The [snorts] correct answer is I will stop posting my ass on Instagram. I will throw away all those clothes. I will stop going in underwear to concerts and that's the answer. I'll do that.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Well, um >> base W >> cuz look scripture it's very explicit that God's word is authoritative binding and it's not negotiable. So when you say

Brian AtlasI'm just doing my thing, God wants God's fine with me just dressing like a trumpet blah blah blah. It's like no not really. Um, uh, you're basically just in defiance

Brian Atlasand disobedience of scripture, Christ and God. It's like, so what are I mean, why even call yourself a Christian? >> Uh, because of my beliefs. And >> what what are your beliefs?

Brian Atlas>> Um, that God created us. >> Uh, okay.

Brian AtlasBut Muslims also think that, Jews also think that. So what specific what sets people uh other religions even believe

Brian Atlasthat? What what sets Christianity apart? >> I mean they all study the same belief. >> Well, they're all different traditions. >> That's the difference,

Brian Atlas>> right? So and actually in for example Islamic tradition uh there's actually much stricter calls to modesty than even in Christianity. But even in

Brian AtlasChristianity, whether you're Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, there's calls to uh modesty. Going to a rap concert with your ass hanging out. I don't know if it's

Brian Atlasconsistent with Christianity or calling yourself a Christian, >> right? >> Yeah. Do you want to respond or >> um I'm not sure how to respond to that.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess I mean the first thing like something super easy you could do would either to be like make a commitment. You can even do it here right now on the show like oh okay maybe I was I didn't know that I'm going

Brian Atlasto dress differently and then also I'm going to take down like the uh I'm going to archive the thirst trap photos or like the ass out photos on my Instagram. >> I I'll archive those photos. I've been meaning to.

Brian Atlas>> All right, easy enough. Um, so next thing here, still kind of related to Christianity though. You said

Brian Atlasyou disagree with how the host believes that the man should be in charge of women's decisions and how he believes that women should submit to men. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So those are two separate things. So you say um disagreement that uh man should be in charge of women's decisions. I'm assuming you mean in the context of a relationship, right? Um,

Brian Atlasand then how he believes that women should submit to men. Uh, and of course I'm assuming you're talking in the context of a relationship or marriage. These two things are a little bit different. Um, what do you mean when you

Abby (Twin)say by in charge of a woman's decisions? What decisions specifically or what do you think my position is? >> Um, like how like the man says that like a woman can't do something because like he doesn't like it or like it bothers

Abby (Twin)him. >> Yeah. What would be some examples of that? like telling a woman to like like oh like say like a woman wants to like get a job somewhere and like the man says no

Brian Atlaslet her >> huh is there any other examples you can think of? >> Not any that I can think of. >> How about this? I can throw a few out that come to mind. You're in a relationship with a girl or you're married to the girl and she wants to go

Brian Atlasdress revealing. Well, let's start there. Dress revealing. He says no. Is that would that be uh >> um >> something? >> It depends where they're going. >> No, she's Well, the next part is she's going she wants to go out to the club

Abby (Twin)with her single friends and he says no to that, too. >> I mean, she's allowed to do what she wants. I mean >> Uh-huh. Yeah. You can't force somebody not to do something, >> right?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Okay. So, all these are examples though that you would say would be uh in charge of a woman's decisions. men should not have any say.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, in relationship, I feel like both the man and woman should have a say. >> Both the man and the woman should have a say. Okay. Um, and then I'll get into

Brian Atlasthat in just a moment, but you also have uh and and then really quick, what have I said specifically uh in terms of being in charge of women's decisions? >> Um, I know you like the club topic. You

Brian Atlastalked about that a few times. >> Yes. anything else or >> um not that I can think of. >> Okay. But there's probably other examples similar to that. And then um

Brian Atlashow I believe that uh a woman should submit to men. You disagree with that? >> Yes. >> Okay. Should women should women submit to men? >> No. >> Women should not submit to men?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Okay. Um, and then, uh, I know you kind of have thoughts on this topic, so I'll get to you once I finish with her, but um, are you Christian?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Okay. Um, and you three are friends. You're all from Michigan. You guys all came together. You're friends. Um, do you agree with her on those things? >> Um, to some extent, I believe like

Morgansubmitting should be 50/50. >> Submitting should be 50/50. I believe they both should play a part in submitting to one another's needs. >> Okay. And then what do you think? >> Um literally the same thing that she said

Brian Atlas>> that that she said or >> no no >> that Morgan said >> that Morgan said yes that said. >> But in terms of submission uh you are against women submitting to their

Morganhusbands. Do I have that correct? >> No. Oh, in submitting to me means like like committing to like being in a relationship and like following like

Morgan>> what do you mean following? >> Not like following but like the typical like or like if you're married or like dating like those typical standards like you don't go out

Morganwith other guys like or like you don't go out with other girls. Like that's kind of what submitting is to me. like just following each other's like >> well she doesn't even agree with you >> boundaries. >> So she said I mean you said going out

Morganwith other When you say going out with other women do you mean like going out to the club or you mean like dating other women? >> I mean like like a guy shouldn't be going around hanging around with a ton of girls and a girl shouldn't be going around hanging out with a ton of guys. Like it should be like

Morgan>> okay >> like I think going to the club with your girlfriends is fine and I think a guy should be able to do the same. like if he's going out to the club with his like male friends. >> Okay.

Morgan>> And I feel like if it's a relationship that I'm truly going to like that's going to last, like a marriage relationship, I shouldn't have to worry about like my future husband or he shouldn't have to worry about what I'm doing at the club. If it's like a good, healthy relationship, he should be able

Brian Atlasto we should be able to trust one another to not >> trust. Yeah. >> Okay. Um but you're all Christians. >> Yes. >> Are you Catholic? >> No, just Protestant. >> Protestant. Catholic. Catholic. Okay.

Brian AtlasUm, it's funny because as I'm agnostic and I feel like I go hard as a mother, I

Brian Atlasgo I go harder for Christianity than actual Christians do. So, I defend it and I go harder for Christianity. I'm just agnostic, right? I'm pro I have

Brian Atlaspro-Christian sentiment, but I I I don't have belief. Um so okay this this goes back to um kind of the previous thing. So you don't believe in submission. You don't believe in

Brian Atlassubmission. You don't believe in submission. So this is completely incoherent and contradictory to your own worldview that you claim to be a part of

Brian Atlasyour own perspective. You claim to be Christians. Um, Ephesians 5:22, "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is

Brian Atlasthe head of the church." Now, as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Colossians 3:18, "Wives obey

Brian Atlasyour husbands." 1 Peter 3 uh 1, wives, in the same way, submit yourselves to your own husbands. How is it that an agnostic is explaining to two Catholics

Brian Atlasand one Protestant like you guys are completely just throw like throwing away the Christian perspective on this? Can how do you reconcile that any one of

Morganyou? >> Um honestly I reconcile with the fact that I I am a Protestant. I am a Christian. I go to church not often but there's times that I attend. I just

Morganhonestly think I'm not familiar enough with like all the scripture there is. So I feel like if I read more on it, I would be more like >> I just gave you the three ver I just gave you three verses. >> No, I'm good.

Brian Atlas>> I just gave you three verses. >> I didn't mistransate them. I pulled them. Well, I mean, obviously there's different translations, but they're all regardless of which translation, it's

Brian Atlasgoing to either be um the the translations vary, but the terms will you will hear interchangeably interchangeably are either submit, obey,

Brian Atlasor uh subject or subjection. So, I mean, hearing what I've just told you, is your position different or do you still

Brian Atlasbelieve >> uh No, it can be 50/50. Women should not submit to their boyfriends or husbands. >> Um, I still think it should be 50/50. >> What do you think? >> Um,

Taylor (Alabama)well, like you probably should obey like your husband and basically like Yeah. That's completely contradictory to what

Taylor (Alabama)you just said though. >> Yeah. But >> did you did I just change your mind or >> um Well, what I think is is like for

Taylor (Alabama)like I just feel like um with like a relationship like it should be like loving equal but like you like should be able to like obey and be able to like do

Brian Atlasthings. Wait, what? O be like able to like obey and like do things like >> um >> so when you say obey but do things like

Brian Atlas>> do things what what are the things? So okay >> well you should follow the what the Bible says because >> Okay. But like let's say your husband you're married and your husband's like you want to go out to a nightclub and

Brian Atlasyour husband's like nah. >> Then you don't go. >> Okay. So perhaps I've changed your perspective. >> Uh you're still you're still strong on this no submitting thing though, correct? >> Yeah.

Morgan>> Okay. What about you? >> Um I think that boyfriend wise it should be 50/50 until he's like ready to commit to being a husband and taking on that role. >> And then once he shows that he's like

Morganhusband material, >> then submitting would be like like I would Yes. Like I would follow that and like the whole club thing. I feel like I

Brian Atlaswould try to talk to him about it. Try and like see if I can change his mind or like something. >> That's not submission. That's not submission. I think it's okay to I mean

Brian Atlashonestly when I think it when it comes to submission um you need to essentially immediately defer to him. Now I think it's okay for

Brian Atlaswomen to feel perhaps disappointment but you oh what's the right word here? You need to oh you need to

Brian Atlasthe word is so good but it has evaded me. [ __ ] um you need to regulate like so okay your boyfriend say your boyfriend or husband says I don't want you to go to the club and maybe that

Brian Atlasdisappoints you but you defer to him and you regulate your response to it like you could be disappointed internally but you're not going to cause friction you're not going to cause an issue

Brian Atlasyou're not going to winge and nag him about it you're just going to accept it

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