HATERSEXUAL?! Dating A Prisoner? Ankle Monitor Dating? Q! Andrew Wilson! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk #201

Date: 2024-10-02

Duration: 7h 14m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSavannah (Huntington Beach)>

GGabby (Santa Barbara)>

KKendra (DT201)>

TTurkish (DT201)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Q (The Q Pill)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Savannah(guest)

SPEAKER_04Emma(guest)

SPEAKER_05Gabby(guest)

SPEAKER_06Alex(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Maty Fuller(guest)

SPEAKER_09Turkish(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kendra(guest)

SPEAKER_14Andrew Wilson(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian Atlas opens Dating Talk #201. Guests introduced: Savannah (18, HB, dog sitter), Gabby (29, SB, dispensary+med spa), Maty Fuller (18, SD, poli sci/radiology CC + behavioral interventionist), Kendra (25, PA, TikTok+Marine Science grad), Emma (22, SB, CC+pet shop), Alex (26, SB, artist), Turkish (24, LA/Australian, Twitch streamer). Co-hosts: Q and Andrew Wilson.

“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”

QuoteSavannah (18) reveals her boyfriend went to jail for Grand Theft Auto and assault 3 months into their 10-month relationship. She never visited him in jail; ended it after ~14 months total.

“he was in jail uh for for what uh Grand Theft Auto and assault”

QuoteMaty Fuller discloses she cheated on her last boyfriend — a kiss with someone who intellectually stimulated her. A mutual friend told the boyfriend; he ended things. Boyfriend was a football player who couldn't hold intellectual conversations.

“I messed up big time yeah I messed up normally don't hear that kind of honesty um how many people did you cheat on him with one”

QuoteEmma reveals she went to a stranger's apartment at 10pm, thought he was on drugs and might kill her, yet still had sex with him — contradicting her stated preference for the bear over a random man.

“she went over to a guy's house at 10pm you just met him and you slept with him within an hour”

Quote'Hater sexual / heterosexual' TTS misread: chat donor types 'hatersexual' meaning 'heterosexual' — Brian and Andrew riff on it, Brian immediately decides to change the video title to include it.

“hater sexual wait I'm going to change the title of the of the video to include hater sexual”

QuoteQ discloses last 3 serious girlfriends had a combined body count of 3; his last 2 girlfriends were virgins. His own high body count came from women pursuing him (was a Shade Room 'zaddy' with 5000+ DMs). He prefers innocent/wholesome women.

“the last three women that I dated had a combined body count of three my last two girlfriends were virgins”

QuoteAndrew Wilson admits he would save his family over the world if given the choice, despite acknowledging it is the 'immoral' answer. Cites male tribal loyalty instinct.

“I think I would save my family a respect yo crazy Ace thank for the gifted 10 subs and by the way I also think that's the wrong answer that that's the immoral answer”

QuoteGabby's body count of 11 finally disclosed after Brian plays motivational 'do it' audio repeatedly. She had previously declined to answer multiple times.

“11 oh I I said it this is the third time this the third time”

QuoteSelf-ratings round: Savannah=6, Emma=4.5, Brian=6.5, Alex=9 (highest), Maty=5, Kendra=5, Q=~6.3, Turkish=5, Andrew=4 (lowest, 'for sure or less').

“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven starting with you go ahead um six we should have asked this before we got into the rating stuff but I'm like a strong four and a half”

QuoteBaby daddy story: Gabby approached a woman at 7-Eleven to set up a threesome (at baby daddy's suggestion); woman became baby daddy's new drug connect; they later had a baby together ~4 months after Gabby's breakup. Gabby says she was happy for them when she saw the baby.

“I walked into a 7-Eleven I complimented her and then she ended up taking us to her friend's house that was down the street”

QuoteGabby reveals baby daddy told her he was gay after she told him she was pregnant (planned pregnancy). He had shown bisexual tendencies throughout their relationship.

“he actually told me he was gay after I told him I was pregnant after planned pregnancy”

QuoteAlex defends dating a man ~20 years her senior. Rates him 10 (objectively ~9 per panel). Says she was attracted from first sight; he has dated celebrities.

“he is a tan I was attracted to him from the very first you know time I saw him and I mean he's dated a lot of celebrities in the past”

Topics Discussed

Stream intro and guest introductions

Brian Atlas opens show, announcements, guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Guests: Savannah (18, HB, dog sitter), Gabby (29, SB, dispensary), Maty Fuller (18, SD, CC student/behavioral interventionist), Kendra (25, PA, TikTok + Marine Science grad), Emma (22, SB, CC student/pet shop), Alex (26, SB, artist), Turkish (24, LA from Australia, Twitch streamer). Co-hosts: Q (31, behavioral scientist) and Andrew Wilson (political analyst).

E-girls, anklet monitor dating, prisoner dating (title topics)

Topics from show title (HATERSEXUAL, Dating a Prisoner, Ankle Monitor Dating, E-GIRLS) stem from: (1) Savannah's story about dating a boy who went to jail; (2) the 'hater sexual / heterosexual' TTS misread that became a running joke and the episode title; (3) e-girl discussion referenced in body count/appearance contexts; (4) ankle monitor references likely from viewer TTS/chat questions.

Relationship status round

Brian goes around the table asking each guest their current relationship status, how long single, longest relationship, who ended it and why. Highlights: Savannah's boyfriend went to jail for GTA+assault 3 months in; Gabby has a 2yo son from prior relationship; Maty cheated (a kiss) on last boyfriend; Kendra broken up with over a missed phone call in church; Emma single 4 years, picky about men making moves too fast; Alex dating older man (~20 yrs senior); Turkish values emotional connection over looks.

Bear vs. man debate

Brian poses the viral bear vs. man in the woods question. Most women initially choose bear. Extended debate about male violence statistics, random men's intentions, and the disconnect between choosing a bear but sleeping with strangers. Q cites that 80% of assaults are by known persons. Andrew points out Emma went to a stranger's apartment despite 'bear' fears. Percentages of men who would assault: Kendra says 50%, Maty says 75%, others lower.

Hookup culture and waiting to have sex

Discussion of women who have had casual sex but then make new partners wait. Brian's 'conundrum': women willing to sleep with casual partners quickly but withhold from men they see as long-term. Andrew introduces concept of 'faking virtue.' Q discusses neurophysiological basis of attraction. Reddit post read: woman who slept with FWB while making boyfriend wait — he broke up with her when she confessed.

Why do men avoid commitment — secular vs. religious marriage

Andrew asks the table: what is the incentive for a non-religious man to get married? Extended discussion of marriage as a bad deal for men, secularism, Q's explanation of lying about intentions. Andrew argues marriage is understood best through religious framework.

Car analogy and body count debate

Chat sends car analogy (0-mile vs 200K-mile car = virgin vs high body count woman). Alex objects to comparing women to inanimate objects. Andrew and Q defend the analogy as a useful articulation of male preference. Extended argument about vintage cars with zero miles. TTS from chat adding to debate. Brian summarizes: men prefer 'going vroom' — being first.

Looks ratings round and OKCupid data

Brian asks everyone to self-rate on 1-10 scale (can't pick 7). Ratings: Savannah=6, Emma=4.5, Brian=6.5, Alex=9, Maty=5, Kendra=5, Q=~6.3, Turkish=5, Andrew=4. Brian shows OKCupid chart: men rate women on a bell curve; women rate 80% of men below average. Discussion of women having inflated self-ratings relative to what men can realistically commit to.

Religion, Islam, and eschatology

TTS asks Andrew about his stance on Islam. Andrew explains as Orthodox Christian he argues with Muslims because denying Christ's divinity is fundamental offense. References Quran and Hosea (God asking to marry a prostitute). Brief discussion of Prophet Muhammad's age at marriage. Andrew avoids eschatology (end times) as his weakest theological area.

Toxic relationships and men's communication

Emma: hates modern dating; men's expectations are crazy. Discussion of men who don't communicate what they want. Andrew: men have incentive to lie about not wanting commitment. Gabby's baby-daddy story: drug dealer, arranged threesome, she introduced him to a woman at 7-Eleven, they got together, he got that woman pregnant; later told Gabby he was gay after planned pregnancy. Baby daddy currently in prison.

Pizza party intermission and roast session

Brian orders Costco pizza, drops TTS to $19.99. Chat roasts all panelists. Andrew praised as legend. Alex drops her pizza slice (concussion-related clumsiness). Donations from recurring donors (back_to_the_roots donates $1000). Roast session: chat roasts chairs 1-6, Brian (pizza betraying burrito), Maddie the employee, Q, Turkish.

Hookup culture body count disclosures

Brian goes around table asking body counts. Alex: 9. Gabby: 11 (disclosed only after being played motivational audio multiple times). Others decline or not asked. Q discusses preferences for virgin/low-count women despite high personal body count.

Dating apps profile reviews

Brian reviews Savannah's and Emma's Tinder profiles on screen. Savannah: 5'7", unvaccinated, short-term open to long-term, no prompts. Emma: listed 'activism (animals)'; is vegetarian for moral reasons; blonde/pink/purple/black hair history; wants to run an animal sanctuary. Debate over Emma's activism and vegetarianism.

Do we need men — panel round

Brian asks each guest: do we need men? Most say yes with caveats. Andrew provocatively claims men don't need women except for procreation. Chat and panel push back. Discussion of whether female-only societies could survive.

Body positivity vs. accountability

Gabby discusses her 50lb weight loss: was never happy when overweight; doesn't believe body positivity is the answer. Andrew and Q discuss male body shaming culture vs. female affirmation culture. Andrew references Pearl Davis's commentary on women not policing each other.

Stream close and roast wrap-up

Final roast session (TTS at $20). Brian thanks chat, plugs Twitch/Discord. Outro.

Transcript

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Turkishsaying that I think someone donated saying that um we're not trying to convert you and I was just trying to say I agree I don't think it's like Muslims are trying to convert anybody all right but everyone's allowed to believe they want to believe leave it there because it's a

Andrew Wilsondating into theology I think that that's totally because it'll get brutal very quickly I'm just going to leave it there we have JJ Brian uh well I mean I'll

Brian Atlasread them but you guys should send these as TTS uh you look good you look like you lost 15 pounds let me guess no carbs uh I lost a couple pounds for the guys on the panel how many of you would let

Brian Atlasyour daughters go to a fra party without a chaperon still choose the bear I mean man we can't do questions really for the super chats um but I appreciate I appreciate men although I didn't really

Brian Atlasspecify that is streamlab so what was the [ __ ] question uh would you let your daughter go to a fra party without without a sh own yeah uh just show up hands would you let your daughter go to a fra party

Brian Atlaswithout sh the men on the panel oh to the men on the panel yeah I think they yeah I mean I'm not my daughter I don't my daughter wouldn't want to go to a FR I would my daughter wouldn't go to

Brian Atlascollege she wouldn't I mean um maybe she maybe if I'm nice I don't know if I'm

Brian Atlasnice all right and then wait other oh [ __ ] talking has Andrew been talking this entire time yo Lou thank you the gifted 10 memberships appreciate it uh okay let me

Andrew Wilsonwell uh well there's this is dual streamed and so I I do talk to my chat occasionally I do tend to come donated $20 it's not BS she's sitting right

Andrew Wilsonthere ask her if she wants to FSE you yeah but Muslims Li they lie to the Infidel they can lie to the Infidel and they lie to the Infidel oh did not mean for that to

Andrew Wilsontrigger twice we'll just put an in though money back thank you for the Dono all right we have I'm not trying again I'm not trying to turn this into a religious debate right it it moved that direction specifically because of the

Andrew Wilsonnature of the Super Chat I don't have any problems with the young lady here she seems like she's very nice right but that'll turn into like a brutal slugfest back and forth neither one of us is is wanting that so we'll just leave it

Brian Atlasthere yeah all right guys the TTS is back up to 200 but thank you to everybody who uh participated in the little rast session uh thank you guys

Brian Atlasokay uh okay Andrew the Bible allows blank sex between married couples I thought I changed it not sure why it

Brian Atlascame through but uh should be switched back not sure what that's about uh okay thank you thank you sorry guys I'm just double checking oh okay I see what

Brian Atlashappened okay all right so let's get back into the pre-show notes um I don't know if we fully finished off Kendra you said why do men suck at communication

Brian Atlasnot want to commit to women anymore right uh and or no if I if I recall correctly Andrew I actually said we would table uh before

Andrew Wilsonwe get back to that Andrew you're in the middle of something and I said we would table it do you recall oh yeah yeah we were discussing secular marriage we actually stopped off with Maddie as the roast continued uh that's red shirt

Andrew WilsonMaddie not to be confused with employed by the whatever podcast Maddie um I hope you don't get upset that I say red shirt Maddie right it's just an easy way to dis totally fine okay great so um when

Andrew Wilsonwe're we were discussing secular marriage you were saying you don't really think that there's a good compelling reason for a man who who's non-religious to get married no not necessarily cuz there's just a ton of

Maty Fullerlegalities that go into it you could play the argument of oh well if you want to be with someone long-term committed and you don't plan on ever splitting up

Maty Fulleror divorcing then then why not get married but why get married I think like personally me I want to get married under God I'm a religious person I'm

Maty FullerChristian and and that's something that I would want because I see it more as um a union under God and then the paperwork comes and then we're legally and financially binded um but even if there's no

Andrew Wilsonpaperwork right you consider this a Sacrament right I do consider it a Sacrament yes okay uh moving over to the uh next I believe it's KRA is that right

Kendracan you think of a good reason why non-religious men should actually get married to women in modernity I think it goes both ways for you know making like

Andrew Wilsonsacrifices for each other I mean I think that'd be the only way like you both sacrifice things and couldn't you both sacrifice the same things without getting married

KendraI mean a sacrifice in marriage would also be legality in terms of money finances couldn't that be settled with a prenuptual agreement yeah but during the marriage

Andrew Wilsonyou still you still share the same like money yeah sure but you could still share the same money if you weren't married right yeah that's the sacrifice because you're legally I don't

Kendraunderstand what's the sacrificial part because you're legally bound and like when you're not married you're not so like if I'm not married to somebody I could have my own fund somewhere else we could still share the same money but

Andrew Wilsonlike legally yeah so then what's the incentive to get married if you're I'm saying the only thing would be like to make those types of sacrifices but you can make those same type of sacrifices absent marriage if you're if you you

Andrew Wilsonknow if you're a secularist that's what I don't understand I mean yeah but it wouldn't be the same SA like why not why wouldn't it be the same so if you're not religious then you say

Andrew Wilsonokay but we're going to share all of the money right exactly equally now you're not legally bound but you just do the same exact thing what what would be I

Andrew Wilsonmean there's other sacrifice there's other sacrifices besides just money well what are the other ones I mean legally you can't like be with other people like no I think legally you can be with other people so you could be

Andrew Wilsonmarried for instance and open your relationship up and you would still very much be married you could step out of your marriage and you would still very much be married by the state for instance but even that aside if you were

Kendraa secularist meaning non-religious and you didn't get married couldn't you just not step outside of that relationship anyway I mean I guess yeah sure I'm not

Kendramarried so I can't really speak on it I don't know all the details like uh well like for instance um right now if you're in a relationship ship you had a boyfriend and you both loved each other but you weren't married you would still

Andrew Wilsonconsider it cheating if you slept with another woman right yeah it's easier to leave though yeah sure sure but yeah exactly it's easier to leave but you would still consider it cheating even

Kendrathough you weren't married correct yeah of course yeah so I mean you could still have those same types of Arrangements even if you weren't married right yeah but I feel like there's just more of a sacrifice being made cuz like if you do cheat and you do decide to separate and

Andrew Wilsonyou want to get divorced there's a lot more that goes into that than just leaving right so from the perspective of the man if he was going to get a a worse end of the deal generally if that were

Andrew Wilsonto occur if you were a man and you weren't religious wouldn't you just not want to get married sure yeah that makes

Andrew Wilsonsense to me okay I I don't really uh going over to Emma with the crazy mom um what's uh what's your answer here can you think of a good compelling reason I

Alexcannot you can't no reason no idea uh and then Alex so the only reasons I personally think that there

Alexare to get married are if there's children involved and or if there's um two different countries kind of thing so it's like for one person to come over to

Alexthe other country and stay within that country a lot of times they have to be actually physically married in order to be you know to have like a

Alexum a visa to actually stay here otherwise it'd be a lot more difficult so overall I don't think there's an actual reason but those are the only two that I think that are valid so the

Andrew Wilsonreasons that you would have would be this benefits me in some way um but you would agree with me for instance even if we were talking about Visa immigration that people could get married who didn't love each other at all just for the

Alexpurpose purp of bringing that person over right and this happens quite often I I completely agree with you um but again we're just talking about the marriage part so you know that still I

Andrew Wilsonthink counts okay thank you and then uh moving over to Turkish um and by the way you said your name is Turkish delight did you get that from um The Lion the Witch and the wardr

Andrew WilsonI'm just curious right did you get that from the movie I didn't I'm sorry I just like to that's the only time I ever heard that Candy by the way was was in that movie but I I was just curious I don't even know sorry yeah do you think

Turkishcan you think of a good compelling reason why a non-religious person should should actually get married especially a man to be honest I feel like you should only marry if you want the like I would

Turkishonly get married in the sense of religion um but I feel like um if you want to get married you should do it for the sake of wanting to and it's like wanting the benefit of it me

Turkishlike I I feel like this sense of security I know you're saying they can sh IR irregardless sorry whether or not they're married or not but it's kind of

Turkishmore giving that sense of security where like you both know it's like an agreement that you're both communicating to stay loyal to each other to stay with each other through sickness and in health to being with each other to

Turkishworking together on like your goals for your children like I'm very traditional in a sense of a man and a woman they get married they raise the children have a family grow old together that's the way

Andrew Wilsonthat I well hang on let's um let's kind of take these one at a time Sor well you don't have to apologize I was just getting your position down so uh starting with the last thing you said first why couldn't a man in a woman do

Turkishall of those same things you just stated not married I they can there's definitely people that do do that without marriage but me personally I think I know you hang on you personally we're going to leave that aside right

Andrew Wilsonthis is not what you as the religious Alexa would do I already know what you would do you want marriage you want the kids you want the husband you want the Covenant right what we would call The Covenant I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow what you call it in Islam but what what we' call The Covenant you want that got that can you think of a good reason though why men who are not religious should get

Turkishmarried men who are not religious and do not believe in any God they don't believe in any religion they don't believe in heaven hell like atheist type

Turkishlike genuine questions mhm yep um those types they would do it for their significant other to make them happy like for example if I was married if I was Marrying an atheist they I feel

Turkishlike they would only do it for the sake for me I feel like you're regardless why would that be but why would that be good for them cuz maybe they like maybe they need to be

Turkishmarried under their own act like their own like they want to be married yeah but they don't want to be married no no no I know they don't want

Andrew Wilsonto I'm saying you're asking me why would someone who is be the incentive so the question here is if you're an atheist or a secularist non-religious you don't

Andrew Wilsonbelieve in all of what you consider the god Voodoo hoodoo the sky fairy the you know whatever you call it and you look at the deal that a man has in modernity

Turkishin the West in marriage and what happens with divorce and things like this what would your actual incentive to get married to a woman be I'm going to be honest I feel like if people don't really want religion I don't think they

Turkishreally want marriage cuz it doesn't hold any much value to them but if they were to do it it would honestly be for the sake of the other person if the other person wanted the marriage so your

Andrew Wilsonanswer is basically just only if it made do the other someone else happy yeah 100% like but let's let's say let's say you were just um you were sitting down in a room and it was just you were just

Andrew Wilsonpurely being asked this on a cost benefit analysis right let's say that you were a marriage counselor and your job was to only do a cost benefit analysis two secularists came in uh

Andrew Wilsonnon-religious and they sat down and they said look she wants to get married and I don't because I take all the risks and she's not taking any risk right the courts favor her everything else what

Andrew Wilsonwould your advice be to him if that was your job oh my

TurkishGod I'm going to be honest I feel like if he's looking at the relationship in in terms of loss then that doesn't feel like a genuine relationship cuz you'd want to this is my opinion but isn't she

Turkishdoing the same thing by demanding he get married but like shouldn't she bring something to the plate by getting married like is it just all of his money like I feel like wouldn't she be also contributing to the marriage and

Andrew Wilsoncontributing to the money and contributing contributing yeah sure but why should he take the additional risk if they already have the equal contribution what is his additional risk you the additional risk is that the

Andrew Wilsoncourts will likely favor her in the case of divorce and the chances that they get divorce is actually quite high oh oh so you are here just doing a cost benefit

Andrew Wilsonanalysis and he says well based on what I'm seeing it looks like it might be a really raw deal for me and a very good deal for her these are your clients hang on these

Andrew Wilsonare your clients and you have to give him the advice what would you give this atheist what what advice from just a purely cost benefit analysis would you give him don't get married I think no no

Turkishhang on let her answer let her answer I think I would honestly just say to remain patient and to like organize other things before the marriage card becomes dealt with because one I feel like I wouldn't want to be with someone

Turkishwho's worried about being divorced I don't know that's weird to me like don't you want to turn me don't you want eternity with me why are you thinking about the outcome they don't believe in eternity but then so they should be focusing on the present and on the

Turkishpresent right now I'm telling you I love you I'm telling you that I want to commit with you and I want they love you and they love you too and if they're scared then I think it's something they just need to wait on like I don't recommend getting married if that is something that's like if that's going to

Andrew Wilsonmake them feel bad so you would tell them not to get married yeah I would say yeah right so yeah so essentially your advice ultimately to the man would be don't do it don't do it now until you're

Andrew Wilsoncomfortable yeah don't do it yeah don't do it right because if you're just doing pure cost benefit analysis so your advice to the man would be don't do it yes if that's going to but I feel like

Turkishthe partner should also understand from their part like if if my partner was feeling like that and saying like I feel like this's divorce or whatever I feel like is just like it's about like coming to an agreement it's about meeting halfway

Turkishlike seeing how can both people be happy like if he's that worried like oh my God we need to talk about that can you look right into the camera and tell that man

Andrew Wilsonno [Laughter] no did I do it right you did it right you did it right you you aced this test

Andrew WilsonI promise uh moving over to q q cost benefit analysis right can you give me a good compelling reason why a non-religious man in modernity should

Q (The Q Pill)get married um off the top of my head um no I don't

Q (The Q Pill)see the overall benefit in it especially if it the foundation is holy matrimony um the only thing that I would say would

Q (The Q Pill)even be potentially compelling enough would be dependent on how much they value just the idea of it

Q (The Q Pill)in the sense of I want to be married you know and maybe they grew up religious and convert it to being atheist so like there's a tradition behind it yeah like

Andrew Wilsonlike just but let's give you the same scenario I think I can understand the idea that because my parents were married my grandparents were married I also want to be married even if e you know even if I'm not religious I think I

Andrew Wilsoncan kind of wrap my head around that mhm but help me out here you are doing a cost benefit analysis sitting down with this couple who are both atheist and the man says look this looks like it's going

Andrew Wilsonto be a really raw deal for me I'm taking a lot of risk here and it seems like the risk is very mitigated on her end so we either do a prenup or I'm just

Q (The Q Pill)not going to do the marriage what would you advise this man to do well first I will warn him about all the all the the risks that he's involved with um that's the first thing I would

Andrew Wilsonlet him know he's already acknowledging the risk they're arguing because she wants to get married he doesn't because of these risks it's not really can you give him can you tell me

Andrew Wilsonthe compelling reason you give him as to why he should no no no I can't really think of it no yeah no can't give him so

Andrew WilsonI just want to I just want to reiterate this is the men and the women AG gree not a single person has been able to give a good reason for why men in it

Andrew Wilsonshould actually marry non-religious women uh and them not being religious themselves why they should get married I just wanted to point that out right Maddie what about you right I haven't picked I haven't by the way I haven't

Backgroundpicked on you in weeks which I always feel bad about tell me can you think of a single reason no I mean if you're even hesitating marriage I don't think you should get married at

Backgroundall the only reason I can actually think of which kind of sounds like a little manipula is that it's harder for her to leave make it a pain in the last for her to leave just like yeah like I don't

Andrew Wilsonthink you should get married though if you're even hesitating thinking about it okay well I have one more question uh to go around uh to the panel we're going to

Andrew Wilsonstart again with Savanah uh so this is a kind of a really basic hypothetical but really interesting the answers we get

Andrew Wilsonoff of this um so so starting with you mhm a random woman and a random man okay um they're they're put in front of you

Andrew Wilsonokay which one now both of them it it you don't know which one okay which which one do you think would be more likely to tell you the truth out of a random woman or a random

Andrew Wilsonman which one do you think would be more likely to tell you the truth the man okay moving over to Gabby random woman random man which one do you think would

Andrew Wilsonbe more likely to tell you the truth I agree random man okay and then uh Maddie a man a man and then moving over to

Andrew WilsonKendra a woman you think a woman would be more likely to tell you what's true okay and then moving over to Emma a

Alexwoman a woman okay and then moving over to Alex that's a very difficult question honestly because it is well it is I agree with that so

Andrew Wilsonum honestly I have no idea I feel like it's 50/50 okay well then you know whichever one you would whatever that like small

Andrew Wilsontiny minute grain of possibility is that you would lean towards cuz these are your only two options which one do you think would be more likely to do so okay so just because as you said I come from

Alexa feminine perspective and my own perspective I always tell the truth I would say a woman only based on that fact and that fact alone okay and then

Turkishmoving over to uh Turkish um because they're random completely random I would say um a male a man okay

Savannahyes so moving back to you Savannah why did you pick a man why do you think a man would be more likely to tell you the truth than a woman I feel like guys often like tell the truth more than a

Andrew Wilsongirl does feel like girls lie more than guys do what type lies do you think women tell more than men cuz I mean men and women both lie we both agree that's true right I mean it could be anything

Andrew Wilsonlike the smallest things like what what types of thing well one of the things that I hear a lot and I don't want to lead you in this but this just what I hear a bunch is White Lies like they'll often pick each other

Andrew Wilsonapart in their brains uh while they're telling each other compliments that they don't really mean things like that yeah that's true would that yeah those types of Lies I think so for sure okay uh

GabbyGabby why did you choose a man um in my experiences dealing with both men and women throughout my life I found women to be a lot more fake and they lie about things a lot more than

Maty Fullermen do damn okay Maddie why are we going with a man Maddie I went with man because I think as girls women we don't

Maty Fullerwant to necessarily hurt each other's feelings so like if uh if I were to ask a random woman on on the street and I'm wearing like a but ugly dress I said does this look cute she's going to say yes cuz she doesn't want to tear down my

Maty Fullerself-confidence even though it's not necessar the truth but a man is going to more likely to tell me straight up that dress is ugly that's that's how I feel okay and then uh moving over to

Andrew WilsonKendra why did you pick a woman cuz men be

Kendracapping like okay I don't know what that means exactly they really like to put an emphasis on things that you know it is what it is

Andrew Wilsonbut they like to like gas it up a little bit exaggerate exaggeration yeah okay well I think uh I think that that's maybe fair but uh when it comes to actual truth telling like

Andrew WilsonI'm going to tell you the raw honest truth you still think women I think there's a difference between the truth and the fact so what's the difference between the truth and the fact the truth

Kendrais like what it really is and a fact is just an opinion based on like evidence that everybody has gathered and collectively agrees on yeah but don't

Andrew Wilsonyou think that most people would say a fact is the truth no I mean if you don't know the difference between them okay so um I well I actually don't I'm I'm trying to figure this out from

Kendrayour purview uh so everybody agrees to something that's what makes it a fact yes but it still be untrue the truth is something that's actually been proven

Kendraand like it's true well actually it's a fact that this table is white that's just what Society has gathered but is it true that the table is white no it's a fact because society as a whole said

Andrew Wilsonthis color is white hang on so is it untrue that the table is white I mean I'm not saying it's untrue I'm not saying but you're not saying it is true well okay I gu another way to ask this

Andrew Wilsonuh do you think that people can know what is true no okay so if you don't think that and I understand that worldview too if you don't think people can know what is true

Andrew Wilsonthen let me rephrase it for your worldview do you think that a man or a woman is going to be more likely to tell you what is

Kendrafactual a woman okay and why did you choose woman I don't know I have a different like experience with women like my closest

Kendrafriends like we're all very honest and blunt with each other but a random person just because this is random random man random woman yeah which one do you think would be more likely to

Andrew Wilsontell you a fact even if the fact was uncomfortable or something you didn't like or something you didn't appreciate or you know thise I think still a woman I don't think a man I don't know I just don't think so so it's been your

Andrew Wilsonexperience that men have been less honest with you at least when it comes to facts than women yeah okay and then Emma uh same thing same

Emmathing to you why did you choose woman I think womenhood it's like a girl to girl thing so I feel like as a woman other women are more

Emmareliable if I'm like hey do I have something in my teeth they're like yes girl I got you you do like you want a man say that to you too if you ask him I I don't think so you don't think a man tell you if you

Andrew Wilsonhad something your teeth if you asked him do I have something in my teeth you think he'd be like no I I don't think they're it's reliable to tell you

Alexthat okay uh and then Alex why why did you choose a woman so again just based on my own personal you know of the way that I go off because I do feel like

Alexit's about 50/50 however just based on your question earlier for the factual part of it I do think that men will actually present the facts and women

Andrew Wilsonwould present more of the feelings does not well hang on do we do we then you don't believe we can know what is true um both can be true though because for a

Andrew Wilsonwoman her can be her feelings are true but it's my question is not that my question is just do you think we can know what is true we as in who like the person who is

Andrew Wilsonlistening to the LI you know what is true you you yourself Alex can you know what is true true of what true age statement which is truth that someone

Alexelse said or that I'm saying that you're saying that I'm saying yes I can think that a statement is true okay but does that make it true that does not necessarily make it true

Alexfor everybody else so now that we know that you thinking a thing is true doesn't make it true do you think people can know what is true uh in general people could but then at the same time

Andrew Wilsonthey don't actually know because everything is right I understand completely so then we'll just we'll just do the same thing and say facts yeah who do you think is

Alexmore likely to tell you the fact and as I've said I think men are more likely to present the facts I've already said that like the actual facts of the general

Alexlike knowledge instead of the feelings and the personal truth got it okay so then if you do you do you agree with me

Andrew Wilsonthat most people would use the term fact and Truth interchangeably yeah yeah technically yeah so when I ask you so when I ask you this question and I kind

Andrew Wilsonof rephrase it to okay now facts you agree with me that we're essentially asking the same thing yeah so you your answer would actually change that men then if most people use truth and facts interchangeably men would be more likely

Alexto tell you what is true if we're using it interchangeably and there's absolutely no yeah difference yeah yeah if there's

Turkishabsolutely no difference no Nuance yes I would agree with you gotcha okay and then Turkish um can I be honest I feel like men just don't care like they don't

Turkishcare to sugar coat anything they don't care to like like straight up if I ask C like see like someone asked him about the whole virginity thing and taking the girl's virginity and like what was the reason he could have like sat her and

Turkishlied and said like she did this or whatever he just said conflict and I didn't want to deal with it so like he just was blunt he's like that's the that's the fact and I move on like there's no if I had um if I had a hand

Andrew Wilsonraise around the table from just the women do you agree with her that men mostly just don't care and are very blunt with what it is that they'll say hand rais like sure they might not

Turkishcommunicate but when they do I think they're blunt well the ones that I've dealt with anyways yeah okay all right um and this kind of leads to the to the

Andrew Wilsonlast question um and so these are all intertwined for a reason right um so for those of you who chose bear can you raise your

Turkishhand okay and Maddy chose bear Maddie do you chose Bear yes where's Maddie she did she's just gonna come back in a second okay for those of

Andrew Wilsonyou who chose bear can you raise your hand again and then and for those of you who chose that you would take truth from women can you raise your hand again uhuh hang on oh truth a truth for

Andrew Wilsonwomen so all hang on hang on Truth for so let me just ask again those of you who thought that you would get the truth or those of you who thought that the bear would be better over the man raise your

Andrew Wilsonhand okay hang Alex Alex just based on your initial answer based on just your initial answer those of you who chose bear can you raise your hand thank you okay so all

Andrew Wilsonthree of you and those of you who said that a woman be more likely to tell you the truth based on your initial answer can you raise your hand it's the same three so what's the problem well I just

Andrew Wilsonwant to I just want to kind of point out that the women who would take the man's word

Andrew Wilsonover that of a woman in general tend to not take the bear and those who would take the woman's word over the man tend to take the the bear and so I just think

Andrew Wilsonthat this is a very interesting kind of thought experiment because I've seen this over and over and over now I I'd like to ask another question can you raise your hand if you're a feminist or identify with

Andrew Wilsonfeminism Alex stop bullshitting me Alex stop bullshitting me Alex we've been through this and millions so I do know okay I actually the main reason why I

Alexeven made the painting to begin with for Brian is because the show has actually changed a few of my views on a lot of

Alexdifferent things including feminism so I do not I actually do not

Alexalign with the current feminist views at all so which ones um that I do not want

Alexto dismantle the the um the patriarchy um and and also just to point out because um the last time question do you

Andrew Wilsonwant to vote um I do want to vote yeah yeah okay so then I just got to ask you real quick which patriarchal systems do you feel men should be in charge of and women should never be so okay so I

Alexactually don't think that man should be charged I'm I actually after the research I'm more of a humanist I think that everybody yeah so I think everybody

Alexjust has you know their own thing man right the good is the good man I mean honestly yeah I think everybody just like I do not think you're a terrible person I mean I'm sure you

Alexthink I'm a terrible person but it's like I do not think you're a terrible person yes I I I know terrible no I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm kidding no no I don't think that but it's like I think

Alexthat everybody should just be able to live whatever that they want to live as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else all right okay so one more one more quick question right going around the table um

Andrew Wilsonjust to cuz I right again this is just kind of a social experiment that I like to do uh can you just raise your hand around the table if both of your parents are still

Turkishtogether my mom passed away though does that still count before yeah that still counts okay yeah yeah um you want me to be included in in okay yeah yeah both

Q (The Q Pill)your parents are still together okay gotcha all right that's uh that's what I had Q I was going to pass it over to you for your questions I didn't I I didn't

Andrew Wilsonhave any I was you nothing okay yeah I didn't I didn't I didn't have no questions I was then we'll we'll dive into this idea this is a we're going to move over to

Andrew Wilsonpaleo psychology this is by the way Q I believe that you're an expert in paleo psychology evolutionary psite yeah yeah

Andrew Wilsonokay uh kind of moving back why do you think Savannah right starting with you uh why would you say that you think that

Andrew Wilsonuh men and and this has uh been been pretty well researched when men are asked what age demographic they find most attractive they tend to go for younger women Q do you know what the

Andrew Wilsonages are I think it's early 20s yeah it's um I've seen it fluctuate between 22 and 23 I believe yeah somewhere I think that's that that's close to correct or

Andrew Wilsoncorrect enough right don't quote me on this but Savannah why do you think that men tend to move towards that age demographic probably because they look younger better I don't really know you

Savannahthink it's because they're they haven't been with as many people maybe mhm I don't know they haven't been with as many people yeah so like not as much

Gabbybaggage mhm okay and then Gabby um in my experience when I was younger dating men who were like 20 30 years older than me I think that they liked how open and curious I was I think

Gabbythey liked having someone that they could teach things to um and like have a good time with my mind wasn't like trying to control him or like thinking about the future and I think some guys like that they like

Gabbyhaving someone who's just open to living in the moment and that they can have the upper hand with what do you think about what Savannah said about baggage um I agree I think that that's one of the things they see they see

Gabbysomeone younger and she most likely has less baggage than someone who's like in her 30s like 38 and still single Maddie I think because there's a

Maty Fullermore malleable aspect about younger women um in in a good way and a bad way um younger women haven't been with as many men or many people don't have as

Maty Fullermuch experience but have typically at that time have a good amount um and then yes the Curiosity aspect of there is an older man wanting and willing and happy

Andrew Wilsonto show you the world show you different things it's it's kind of fun um to the question right I just want to be concise so that you know why do you think uh men

Maty Fullerare generally attracted to younger women in their early 20s cuz it's fun for the man to show the woman the young woman new things because she could have less quote unquote baggage because she's

Maty Fulleryounger and had less experience and not worn down by the relationships of life um and yeah still the malleable aspect of her personality and how she can serve

Kendrahim in the relationship essentially okay uh Kendra I think of it more from like a biological aspect I think that you know men look

Kendrafor like best just like kind of how every animal does they look for like the best like Prime you know reproductive

Emmaages like to reproduce and keep their generations going okay and then Emma I I agree with the biological standpoint and like fertility is what makes younger

Emmawomen attractive but I also think it makes men feel like they were back in their early 20s so it's more fun okay and then Alex yeah so I

Alexactually agree with every single person who's come before me and um especially like I was going to that it makes a lot of times just feel younger and just feel

Alexmore vibrant and the life just feels overall better and happier um just because there's not as much baggage there's uh the biological perspective there's you know the past and in general

Andrew Wilsoncuriosity so yeah yeah sure and then Turkish I have a question when you say a man wants to be with a younger woman is that why no that's not what I said so I'll repeat I'll repeat the question

Andrew Wilsonhang on yeah let me repeat the question the the relationship data that both myself and Q have looked at just is talking about attraction and that men

Turkishare mostly attracted to women in their younger 20s that's all I'm asking is why you think that is the case I think males

Turkishare attracted to women who are younger in the 22s 23s um because they're a very free spirited free will like I feel like women know as well when when you're

Turkishyounger it's kind of like party season like when you get older you I feel like me personally as I get older I think I have to settle more into like finding full-time work and like getting my life

Turkishsort of when I weather when I was younger I was like let's have fun let's go out like let's mingle whatever and a male would like to be around that kind of energy if

Turkishthey are older I guess to feel younger to know that that girl probably doesn't really have um hopefully not much on many issues really like literally just give them a good time to have fun I

Andrew Wilsonguess gotcha okay I got all your answers get Q don't come in on this just yet I'd like to get you last moving back to the beginning of the table Savannah does it

Andrew Wilsongive you the ick if a 45 or 50-year-old man only wants to date younger 20-year-old

Savannahwomen um not really I mean if a 50-year-old man I mean he could look younger than 50 he doesn't oh he

Gabbydoesn't he looks like he's exactly his age oh then maybe it gives you the ick yeah a little bit okay Gabby um it definitely makes me think that maybe

Andrew Wilsonthere's some trauma going on with the girl maybe that's why she's with him no no no no no that's the question is does it give you the ick if a man who's in

Maty Fullerhis late 40s or 50s wants to exclusively date women in their 20s yes I I think there's something wrong with that Maddie does that give you the ick yes for me

Maty Fullerpersonally it does because where my life trajectory of where I want to go and where he wants to go isn't lining up I'm not having kids I'm not building a life with someone that's 50 and having kids

Maty Fullerwith them just for my kids to be you know 15 and their dad's approaching their 70s like I understand uh Kendra give you the egg

KendraI would to say gives me the ick it's just not my thing like I feel like is it is it kind of icky and that's why it's not your thing no I just think I have different chemicals in my brain that

Alexlike different things okay Emma very give the I yeah very icky very kind of creepy okay uh Alex give you the

Alexick exclusively only 20 year olds yeah um it's a little bit questionable but I mean I kind of gives you the I but it's like I

Alexdon't really care because I mean at that point kind of give you the I it's like I mean it's it would interest me as to why and

Andrew Wilsonkind of I get it it would not necessarily give me hang on hang on I'm not I'm not asking for like massive reasoning here or anything like that I'm just asking intuitively does it kind of give you the ick or not it does not give

Andrew Wilsonme the ick it gives me question and then moving over to Turkey does it give you the yeah gives you the I okay so can I get a hand raised from all of you who

Andrew Wilsonsaid it gives you the I got it okay hands down all of you said and gave great reasons for why it is

Andrew Wilsonthat you think that older men are attracted to younger women and yet when I give you the uh idea that there could be men who exclusively want to date that

Gabbythat which they're attracted to it gives you the ick can any of you tell me why that is I've been in that situation before so when I see people in a situation like that that's where my brain goes but it

Gabbydoesn't mean that everyone is experiencing like the trauma I experienced other people could be very happy and they could be building the life that they Desire with someone who's much younger than them but to me

Gabbypersonally it gives me the ick and I wouldn't want if I had a daughter I I would want for her to be going out with someone that much older if possible I would prefer her marry someone who is a

Andrew Wilsonlittle closer to her age even though you gave tons of reasons as to why it is that you well in your case I guess you did just say trauma we'll move over to Savannah you gave

Andrew Wilsonmultiple reasons including baggage things like this and yet still said that it would give you the ick even though you gave great reasons as to why a man in fact kind of should go for a younger

Andrew Wilsonwoman can you kind of reconcile that for me um wait what does that what does that mean can you can you show me how this

Andrew Wilsonmakes sense oh of why they like a younger girl no no no no why it is that you it gives you the ick that they would like a younger girl even though you gave all sorts of reasons as to why they

Savannahshould like a younger girl I think the age differ is just really like it's a lot and I feel like they wouldn't have really so many things in common like why would she want to be with someone that much older you know I

Savannahfeel like that's kind of weird but then I get it he wants to have fun I don't know but like a 50-year-old having fun with like a 20-year-old that just sounds kind of weird yeah but you gave tons of good reasons as to why they should and yet somehow it still gives

Andrew Wilsonyou the ick yeah true maybe I don't know what I'm talking about Maddie uh you gave multiple reasons as to why men should be attracted to younger 20year olds and

Andrew Wilsongave all sorts of justifications for they would be and yet still find it icky as to why they would pursue them can you help me out with that sure um just because someone's pursuing me doesn't

Maty Fullermean I need to pursue them I can I can have a advantage or a leverage or all that stuff so what I personally do not want to be with a 50-year-old man they want to be with they may want to be with

Maty Fullerme for biological reasons CU I might not have as much trauma this at the next yeah yeah hang on you want I want to make sure that maybe you maybe you misinterpreted what was asked um I asked if it gives you the ick if a man

Andrew Wilsononly pursues women in that age demographic not you specifically what you if if you would find it icky dating a 50-year-old or whatever has nothing to do with the question okay so just to put

Maty Fullerthem both out there what I did a 50-year-old man that was only interested in girls in their 20s no if somebody else did would I I I'm not even asking I'm I'm just asking if it's icky if a

Maty Fullerman exclusively wants to date women in their 20s not necessarily okay so your answer's kind of changed here I don't I just wouldn't do it

Andrew Wilsonpersonally so as a general thing I don't think it's icky but is it for me no yeah no I understand it's not for you but you

Andrew Wilsondon't have any actual issues with it right it doesn't give you the ick in other words and if it does give you the ick if a man in his 50s only pursues

Maty Fullerwomen in their in their early 20s can you tell me why okay um there could be some type of ftiz there um a man in his

Andrew Wilson50s pursuing a girl in her 20s she could be the same age as a as a possible daughter um yeah I know but you dating a man who's only two years older than you

Andrew Wilsonhe's the same age as your brother okay so when you when you kind of give this idea of well that could be your daughter or she's young enough to be your daugh daughter he's old enough to be your father well the guy you're

Maty Fullerdating is old enough to be your brother I don't I don't really understand the argument it's I think the argument is in the stages of Life of he's in a he's in a fatherhood stage of life of of been he's in a Brotherhood stage of life like

Maty Fullerand someone that I and someone that I could be dating now that is a similar age to me they could be in the same would you agree a 15-year-old could be in the father stage of

Andrew WilsonLife they could be that's definitely a circumstance so the the the question is you gave great justifications for why a

Andrew Wilsonman would only exclusively want to go for younger 20-year-old women and yet it still gives you the ick I'm wondering the reasons why you think it's both Justified for them to go after them and

Maty Fullerwhy it gives you the ick at the same time I think there's just ick on the woman's part if she could be icked

Andrew Wilsonout yeah but why would it give you the ick for that happen not you personally in that relationship but other two other people who are you're saying are you getting

Turkishthe ick from seeing for example me with a 50-year-old man no I think that's he's not asking you cuz that's I assumed you met me as well that's why I said ick I couldn't I feel like me sorry to cut in

Turkishother girls I'll quickly talk so they can go um but me personally I ever trct that I don't get ick if someone else was dating cuz if that's how they want to live agreed genuinely I don't care I thought you meant me personally no because like I think I'm in a position

Turkishnow that I feel like now that I'm 24 I do I feel like I need to get my life together okay so you don't think there's anything wrong at all with a 50-year-old man if that 20-year-old going for hang on going exclusively for 20-year-olds

Andrew Wilsonright no she's of legal age is that legal here okay got it so your answer has changed yes sorry I've then moving over to Emma what is the problem with a

Emmaa 50-year-old man exclusively wanting to date 20-year-old women I think it could be predatory in kind of like going for someone who is younger and less

Andrew Wilsonexperienced and maybe doesn't know much about world I think well I would agree that it's highly predatory for these young women who are in their 20s to have all their faculties intact and they're picking on these scile old men for

Emmaresources I think that that's highly predatory of them yeah okay I guess yeah if it's consensual I

Andrew Wilsonguess guess there's something wrong with it then okay and then Kendra um why why is it creepy for or icky for 50-year-old men to exclusively want women in their

Andrew Wilsonearly 20s I didn't say that it was okay and uh and you would stand by that right yeah okay so then just by a show of

Andrew Wilsonhands can we just get an answer is does it actually give any of you the ick by a show of hands who has the ick by a 50-year-old man exclusively only wanting

Andrew Wilsonto date 20-year-olds by raise of hands it creeps me out but I'm a mom I I think it's weird yeah I don't well I don't know what if what if the father of your

Gabbychildren was 50 like would it be weird then for me personally I've only liked older men due to trauma so yes I've never legitimately like been attracted to them there was always some deeper psychological stuff

Gabbygoing on wait so you only select for older men I used to seek out older men and I was convinced for a very long time like oh I I need to be with an older man I would

Gabbylove an old is the father of your child significantly older um he is only about 8 and 1 half years older than me okay so he's still older yeah okay gotcha and uh

Andrew Wilsonand you wouldn't seek such relationships now no um I'm in a relationship with someone my age and it feels feels a lot better okay so in your case though you're kind of saying that this is just

Andrew Wilsondue to traumatic experience and that's what you're kind of saying that's what it gives you the ick because you think that there is some type of mental illness associated with it not in every

Andrew Wilsoncase but no just in your case yes okay so just in your case okay so then that's the only kind of objection that you have is personalized now Q because you're an

Andrew Wilsonevolutionary psychologist you're really good at this [ __ ] this is your domain and I got to take a leak can you explain why it is from from your purview why it

Q (The Q Pill)is that older men and younger women pairings are really just not very problematic yeah absolutely um they're not very problematic because if you go

Q (The Q Pill)back potentially hundreds of thousands of years ancient human civilizations to where we were almost didn't look the way we look now but if you look at it women

Q (The Q Pill)have concealed ovulation we can't tell when y'all are fertile so what do we do we look at markers of fertility and facundity typically the age that when you look essentially analogous you're

Q (The Q Pill)most ripe to be children or where you have your highest reproductive output so men are attracted to breasts waist to hip ratio curves the way you're built your face everything like that your

Q (The Q Pill)youthfulness the Vibrance that you have when you're young we're attracted to that because that signals to us that you're fertile enough to Bear kids now older men if you go look at other societ

Q (The Q Pill)ities because remember this is a huge World there are plenty of primitive societies to Amazon Africa etc etc older men in those tribes that we don't know

Q (The Q Pill)about they typically date younger women because they have the resources to be able to date those younger women and provide for the kids in their in their communities so men are naturally attracted to that we've evolved that

Q (The Q Pill)that's why we're attracted to that it's icky to y'all because it's abnormal in Western Society the age gaps here aren't as as wide as they are in other places because we we're secular and we're more

Q (The Q Pill)modern so you don't get to experience that but if we were you know in a different country or a different culture you would see that that's actually the norm and that's actually the more primitive state in which relationships

Alexand dating Dynamics are in those cultures so it's actually normal yeah that's fair um can I also add to that like just something that I've observed like a lot of women in over here like

Alexthey want a provider and yeah they do think it's iy to date someone that's older like that just physically does not make sense to me because how someone your age is going to you know be able to

Alexprovide for you and the family if that's what you want like so I yeah I I think overall like I don't see anything icky with it like per se also are there any

Q (The Q Pill)older men that y'all find attractive like celebrity wise that would like silver Foxes or pepp salt and

Maty Fullerpepper who any any with you I mean broad pit okay no okay what about you um like Richard Gear okay Johnny

Q (The Q Pill)Depp I second that one Johnny Depp yeah conen O'Brien okay

Alexwait oh all right there you go co all right yeah I've been into Johnny Deon I was a kid oh yeah I agree with you I can't think of any name you're way too far from the m I agree with you I can't

Q (The Q Pill)literally think of any names but do you find some older men they do look more distinguished yeah they do look good okay so with that being said do you would you guys be completely off when it comes to date

Gabbylike would you not date them if no I would you would right yeah exactly okay like when I reconnected with my Tinder date who was someone I met in high school the fact that he looked older

Q (The Q Pill)like really turned me on and I was really into him because of that mhm interesting so when the older guy is attractive you actually can see yourself

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