Twins RAGE QUIT?! She Called Her BF A BlATCH?! Toxic Girl ADMITS To Abuse?! | Dating Talk #178

Date: 2024-07-15
Duration: 7h 44m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Ayra Blake(guest)
SPEAKER_03Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)(guest)
SPEAKER_04Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_11TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_13TTS donations(audience)
SPEAKER_14Andrew Wilson(guest)

Key Moments

00:34:43
QuoteAyra performs live demo of screaming at a boyfriend for cheating — Brian plays the boyfriend on his phone

"I can't take you nowhere that's my best friend's party come on... you stay cheating you stay acting like a hoe I can't take you nowhere"

00:39:42
QuoteAyra admits she physically hit her ex-boyfriend multiple times — slapping and punching

"I slapped him a few times I like I would punch him in the back and like in the arm... I was like so mad"

00:48:47
QuoteAyra describes burning the Van Gogh painting her ex gave her with lighter fluid in a crackhead alley, recorded on Instagram

"I walked down the street like where all the crackheads were I start smashing the painting I recorded it... I lit it up with lighter fluid I sat there I started recording and I just let it burn"

01:33:49
QuoteJanara reveals she called her boyfriend a "blatch" (bitch) during an argument about vaping

"I said okay I understand can you stop being a [blatch]... it was just a [blatch]"

02:53:00
QuoteForever Untamed agrees with Andrew that men facing the draft deserve more political say than women who don't

"I agree with that where if you want to talk about gender roles then yes there has to be like an incentive like Andrew's talking about that it has to be bigger thing for the man versus the woman"

02:55:30
ControversyBrian argues women should be subject to the draft for true equality — pragmatically more achievable than removing women's suffrage

"just pragmatically speaking we need to move towards what feminists have been fighting for equality y'all can be drafted too"

04:28:00
QuoteAndrew Wilson rated as a "7 / prince vibes" by multiple guests

"I would really say that you're like a seven like you're giving like Prince Vibes... you look like a former Prince like somebody that used to be a prince back when he was younger"

05:11:00
ControversyBrian tells the twins (Summer and Sarah) to "shut the f*** up" — they rage quit the show and walk off

"shut the [f***] up... I said the words shut the [f***] up and then... they walked out bro they walked out"

05:25:35
ControversyAndrew Wilson and panel discuss why the twins rage quit — concludes it was a mild trigger for a much bigger issue

"major rage quit... I just want to let you know that they did defend their point of view... there was nothing there that warranted Rage... you've been having fun most of the night"

06:11:48
QuoteSarah explains Islamic rules on polygamy: first wife must consent, husband must treat all wives equally in material goods

"in order for a man to marry Four Women they have to one treat them all equally if I buy her a Lamborghini I have to buy her a Lamborghini too... the first wife does has to consent"

07:08:26
QuoteBrian admits he fumbled by telling the twins to shut up

"damn bro damn I shouldn't told those chicks to shut the [f***] up no no oh man I fumbled bro I fumbled fumbled bag"

Topics Discussed

00:00:10
Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian introduces show, plugs streamlabs/Twitch/Patreon. Guest introductions: Jess (36, Calabasas, plastic surgery marketing director, married), Ayra Blake (20, Hollywood, aspiring runway model/accounting student), Forever Untamed (40, Orange County, celebrity makeup artist/coach), Summer and Sarah (24, LA, Sea Twins, models/clothing brand), Janara (19, Fullerton, student/party promoter), Sam (22, Boise, aesthetician), Naomi (27, Boise, car wrap business, pregnant), Liz (25, Orange County, car wrap business). Andrew Wilson (in-person co-host) introduces himself last.

00:14:35
Relationship Status Round

Brian goes around the table: Jess married 2 years (together 5), husband is CBS dog show host. Ayra single ~2 years (only 1 boyfriend; complicated on-and-off with cheater). Forever Untamed single/celibate ~8 months, longest rel ~3.5 years. Summer single ~2-3 years. Sarah single ~2-3 years. Janara single 3 weeks (recent breakup over vape). Sam in a 4-year relationship. Naomi just started dating, pregnant. Liz in a relationship. Andrew Wilson married. Discussion of why Ayra tolerated her ex's infidelity, the screaming/hitting incident, and her burning/destroying his gifts.

00:16:00
Ayra's Abusive Relationship & Rage Demo

Extended discussion of Ayra's only relationship: on-and-off 2-3 years, ex had agreed to exclusivity but continued seeing other women and told her. She would break up then return. Multiple incidents: she hit him 3 times in the same week (slapping, punching), he hit back once. She burned the Van Gogh painting he gave her (lighter fluid, recorded it on Instagram). Gave his clippers and cologne to a homeless man. Screamed at him for hours while he played Call of Duty. Performs a live demo of screaming at Brian. Andrew calls it "psycho" behavior. Ayra takes full accountability but attributes it to not removing herself from a bad situation. Still in contact with his family (blocked them all recently). Title reference: "Toxic Girl ADMITS To Abuse."

00:59:20
Stoicism & Vibrational Frequencies Debate

Summer claims to teach stoicism and "vibrational frequencies." Andrew Wilson challenges her to name a stoic philosopher who discussed vibrational frequencies. She references "Maximus" but cannot name Marcus Aurelius when asked about Meditations. Brian helps clarify. Andrew quotes Gladiator (Maximus Decimus Meridius) sarcastically. A TTS donor invents a fake philosopher "daus Maximus van noan" which Brian reads as the answer.

01:11:00
Janara's Vape Breakup & "Blatch" Incident

Brian reads Janara's TikToks: she posted about "dating to marry" but "every boy is a cheater liar." Discussion of her recent breakup: she asked her 21yo boyfriend to buy her a vape (she was 19, store carded her), he refused (didn't want to do something illegal). She told him she'd "get it from someone else." Argument escalated; she called him a "blatch" (bitch). He broke up with her the next day. Panel discusses why calling a man a "blatch" is considered disrespectful/emasculating. Janara admits she didn't know it was a serious issue. Title reference: "She Called Her BF A BlATCH."

02:07:00
Marriage Debate (Secular vs Religious)

Brian asks why men should get married secularly. Panel goes around. Summer argues a "real man" should get married to demonstrate commitment. Andrew asks if she would sign a prenup giving her nothing in divorce — she says yes only under certain conditions. Brian argues marriage introduces a financial incentive for women to leave and therefore reduces security for men. Forever Untamed agrees marriage is sacred but celibacy/no dating unless conditions right. Sarah brings Islam: polygamy allowed if first wife consents and husband treats equally. Extended exchange about secular vs religious grounds for marriage. Andrew and Brian agree: no compelling secular argument for men to marry given no-fault divorce laws.

02:53:00
Women's Suffrage & the Military Draft

One of the twins (Sarah) says she disagrees with women being drafted. Andrew argues: if you can vote politicians into wars you don't have to fight, that's unfair — men are compelled to serve. Extended debate. Sarah and Forever Untamed both partially agree: if gender roles return (men as protectors/providers), men should have more political say. Guest (possibly Summer) argues women contribute to wartime (nursing, home front). Andrew counters they are not compelled to do so. Brian agrees women should be subject to the draft for equality. Discussion of Iran-Iraq war (Forever Untamed's personal experience). Andrew: "context matters" — quotes the n-word context example. Ayra debates this at length.

03:16:00
Plastic Surgery & Mental Illness Debate

Brian states plastic surgery correlates with mental illness. Jess objects — she works in a plastic surgery office. Discussion of "Snapchat dysmorphia" (wanting surgery to look like filtered version of yourself). Jess notes her office does gynecomastia (male breast reduction) — mostly men. Brian argues men are unaware when women have had subtle plastic surgery. Panel discusses BBL, fake lips, Botox. Brian has a strong no-plastic-surgery preference for himself. Andrew: reconstructive surgery after war/accident is acceptable. Jess: implants on Forever Untamed mentioned briefly. Statistics: female plastic surgery demand now trending toward male levels.

04:28:00
Self-Rating Round & Height Preferences

Andrew asks each guest to rate themselves and whether 1,000 random men would rate them a 10. Most guests claim everyone is a 10 or deflect. One guest rates Andrew 7/prince vibes; panel agrees. Andrew deflects to rating Brian instead. Discussion of height preferences: one guest prefers men 6'1"+; last dated men 6'2" and 5'8". Brian notes 6'1" is top 10% of male height. Discussion of whether height is a genuine requirement or just preference. Guest says she'd date a 5'5" guy if vibes aligned. Extended discussion about whether women can/can't rate other women's physical appearance.

05:11:00
Twins Rage Quit

After an extended debate where Brian told the twins (Summer and Sarah) to "shut the f*** up," they walked off the set. Ayra, who drove them, is asked if she should go check on them. The panel discusses what happened. Forever Untamed says the twins were arguing back and forth without listening. Brian acknowledges he probably shouldn't have said it but stands by the moderation call. Andrew notes this was much milder than typical Whatever rage quits — the conversation had been good overall and the trigger was minor. Brian calls it a "W for us." Ayra stays on the show. Title reference: "Twins RAGE QUIT?!" Later Brian says "I fumbled" by telling them to shut up.

06:10:00
Brian's Type Disclosure

Brian reads his written-down type from his notes: any race but slight preference for white/Asian women. Preference for short women (will date any height). Natural body supremacist — strong preference against plastic surgery, fake tits, BBL, lipo, labiaplasty, fake lips. Minimal makeup. Small boobs "elegant" — can be sexy with large boobs but believes small-breasted women can be "beautiful" while large-breasted women can only be "sexy." Still undecided on butts. Panel reacts. Forever Untamed (who has implants) responds about clothing elegance for smaller-chested women.

06:46:00
Dating App Review (Bumble/Hinge)

Brian goes through Bumble profiles with various guests reacting. Most guests reject all profiles shown. A few profiles get yes votes. Brian shows his own type note. Discussion of men with anime tattoos, Star Wars photoshopped photos, age ranges (18-22 preferred by younger guests). One guest was going to date a dwarf (asked if labia match). Double rage quit from two unnamed guests (separate from the twins) — one woman leaves when asked if she would date a dwarf; Brian forgot to apply the rage quit rule. Naomi/psycho ex mentioned (sent to prison for stalking). Bumble review for Liz included.

07:00:00
Survival in the Woods (100 Days Challenge)

Brian asks how many days out of 100 each guest would survive alone in the woods. Discussion of water (72 hours without), food (weeks), air. Morgan (SPEAKER_09) correctly gives the scientific answer for water survival. Brian jokes he'd survive longest. Most guests think they'd last about 2 weeks. Discussion of Naked and Afraid. Seasonal advantage (it's summertime, July).

07:24:00
Show Wrap-Up & Raid

Brian wraps the show — says next episode is Tuesday 5 PM Pacific. Thanks super chatters. GG's to panel. Raid to Wo Grandma (82yo playing World of Warcraft retail). Final comments from TTS donors. Brian acknowledges fumble with the "shut the f*** up" comment about the twins. Show ends.

Transcript

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02:50:27
Andrew Wilsonprovided the same and they're right about the consent as long as there's means to do so if there's not means to do so then it's provided that you can provide for the younger ones more than you can the older ones for instance if
02:50:38
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)that's what the means are which are available no no no no no being yes you do yes well they can do that but that's not the whole that's that's the legal of it is not that's you
02:50:51
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)can't do that you have to be provide providing equally for all the wives and the first wife does has to consent there's like s where it's like temporary marriages and all that but I mean there's rights and then there's no
02:51:02
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)rights um so I mean most there's right Islam but in culture it's not that's two different things Islam is peace but culture like Iranian culture tradition it's culture and tradition that's
02:51:13
Brian Atlascompletely different than the Rel Abdul yeah get the Rocks get the rocks what free nothing I don't know Nick why did you press that Nick Nick come on
02:51:24
Brian Atlasdude yeah rude back to me bringing to my man anyways yo Gerald good to see in the chat Devon good to see in the chat uh where were we I think I was just
02:51:36
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)checkmating you guys all over the place on marriage mhm we didn't get to them though do you want to finish we were talking about what we bring to relationships and what you oh yeah if you guys really quick can give uh what what would youing to the
02:51:48
Andrew Wilsonmarriage to make it hard for well I mean it's the same thing from their world they're correct add to from their worldview they're talking about t so they're saying that there's a purpose for marriage and they don't believe that marriage outside of a purpose so that
02:52:01
Andrew Wilsonmakes sense to me I can at least I can reconcile that yeah but what I can't reconcile is when I ask okay but they are secularists so from their purpose their purpose is only whatever the [ __ ] they think it is right whatever they
02:52:14
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)think their purpose is or what they think it is I mean let's say you're atheist right and you're saying oh I don't have no purpose to get married then don't get married I don't have nothing against you not getting married you don't believe right but that's not the criticism right I agree with you but
02:52:25
Andrew Wilsonthat's not really the criticism the criticism yeah so the criticism would be this would be to say can you provide an argument to an atheist from the
02:52:35
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)perspective of an atheist as to why they should get married no there's no evidence there's no factual base reason why a atheist should get married if they
02:52:46
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)choose that they don't want to based off of love there's actual no argument to debunk someone's ideology of that I have a question when it comes to masculinity I'm like I kind of don't know where I'm going with this but I it came to me
02:52:58
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)where okay let's say for marriage right if we want to restore masculinity healthy masculinity because a lot of men are masculine women are in the masculine more men are in the feminine whatever it is do we think
02:53:10
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)that by let's say the purpose of marriage bringing that old school ideology of man and woman man is a provider the woman is the nurture at
02:53:20
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)home would that help restore masculinity would that be something that if you take it more seriously we can kind of like change the generations as you're coming because now you're the man is playing
02:53:31
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)the role of the protector the provider the husband um as opposed to just the boyfriend because it's a completely different title I feel like yeah it is I agree with you cuz I feel like in
02:53:43
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)restoring masculinity that can be that can be a you know where you're playing the role model of hey protector provider and I do have to read this chat uh this came in like sorry it took us so long to
02:53:56
Brian Atlasget to this techn Trooper thank you for the 100 men statistics have revealed alarming Trends more girls are self Haring suffering from depression and experiencing Rising rates of obesity how significant do you think the role of
02:54:07
Brian Atlassocial media is in these issues and what Solutions can you brainstorm to address [Music] them uh yeah definitely I mean social media massive impact not just on women's
02:54:20
Brian Atlasmental health but also on men's although this was perhaps more pronounced in women and uh I think the solution is is that we ban social media just kidding
02:54:30
Brian Atlasbut maybe ban social media for everyone under 18 that could I I agree I agree with that 100% you disagree I think first off if you know if I have kids bro
02:54:41
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)they don't get a smartphone till they're 18 the fact that to [ __ ] during during lockdown that to me is like 13year old like you should not even know what that song is like that's just ridiculous like
02:54:52
Brian AtlasNo Parental gu need to be a lot more stricter 100 uh techn Trooper thank you man sorry it took us a while to that came in like two hours ago um we do prioritize our me messages via
02:55:03
Brian Atlasstreamlabs streamlabs.com whatever we tend to get to those first but thank you for the Super Chat man appreciate it thank you thank you uh where were we I was asking you a question do you think it in marriage do you think that would
02:55:13
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)help restore masculinity by being a role model of being a protector provider and bringing it back to you know what initially it was where in the ' 50s where it's like woman stays at home man
02:55:25
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)is a provider so like bringing that back the polarity of I don't know just changing I guess bringing more masculinity back I feel
02:55:35
Andrew Wilsonlike as a when you say husband that is that's a very strong like yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of problems with that like I would agree I would agree with you in principle so in the principle of what you're saying is it's
02:55:47
Andrew Wilsongoing to bring more masculine energy and it's going to give kind of better core values to have a man at home with the wife raising the kids right that seems to make a lot of sense we can look to
02:55:57
Andrew Wilsonother times where this experiment worked really well right but I'm I'm sorry did you did you just need to interject right this second while we're having the conversation did
02:56:08
Andrew Wilsonyou just have to no it's just on the screen it's disapp it's okay okay anyway so um problem is is that you had a lot of laws right you had a lot of
02:56:21
Andrew Wilsonlaws and you had an entirely different culture which would enable this to happen uh right now if you have no fault divorce and you have incentivization for women to get divorced leave their family
02:56:32
Andrew Wilsonleave it broken um I don't I don't really understand in modernity why men would want to clamor towards that seems like it's a it's a really bad choice for most men to make in
02:56:44
Andrew Wilsonmodernity so maybe if you could change the the laws to go along on with it and change the conditions to go along with it then yeah but just having children in a home that's almost assured to be
02:56:55
Brian Atlasbroken uh that that doesn't make a lot of sense right I agree I do have to move things on a little bit from the marriage conversation but uh before we get into some more of our pre-show notes we have
02:57:07
Brian Atlasquite a bit to cover tonight does anybody have any disagreements that they've uh heard from previous shows maybe you've seen a clip of Andrew maybe you've seen a clip of me any anything
02:57:18
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)you disagree on that you've heard I have a disagreement what you got for us I don't know if this is a position that you actually hold or if it's a position that you hold more for the sake of the
02:57:28
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)argument but I don't agree that women should get drafted so but that's my only disagreement okay um do you believe in
02:57:40
Andrew Wilsonequality like how it is today no just believe in the principle of equality no you don't okay like I'm not I'm not a feminist non feminist yes okay so what
02:57:51
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)what types of things would you like to see more unequal in society well this is kind of a hot take but I really don't think that women should be in politics and I really think
02:58:04
Andrew Wilsonthat our country wouldn't be such a dumpster fire if women couldn't vote okay so if it's if so if what you're doing is you're creating the regulation
02:58:14
Andrew Wilsonof saying that women don't have to be drafted but they also can't hold political power I don't neither myself well I wouldn't I can't speak for Brian
02:58:24
Brian Atlasbut I have no objections to that right I think I you know I I think that uh women should should be able to vote that's insane that's insane but I I just I'm
02:58:34
Andrew Wilsontalking about the logic woman so all I'm talking about is is whether or not it's it logically tracks that if your position is I don't want women to be
02:58:44
Andrew Wilsondrafted but men should be drafted and I in equality that that's a position that doesn't make any sense but if it is your position instead no I don't want women to be drafted but in lie of that I'm
02:58:57
Andrew Wilsongoing to make sure they have no political power so therefore men get political power but they must be drafted that makes sense to me so whether or not you agree that that should happen it's
02:59:07
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)still not a position that I think is illogical can I say something go ahead so let's take time to go back back in the day let's go to history now so there
02:59:17
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)was a time where women couldn't vote there was a time where there was 1800s where we were treated as slaves when men have the upper hand property prop we were treated as but then on top of that
02:59:30
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)they're the f one of the first uh people to even discover space and how an a rocket can go up to space is a woman women have intellect the when a man has a wife she has intellect to guide him
02:59:41
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)and which way he should go not every woman is a a [ __ ] or whatever you want to call her idiot you're basically making a point that a woman doesn't
02:59:52
Brian Atlashave to see who should guide her country and I feel like that's like women be drafted should women be drafted have no idea they want hold on oh my do you know what a draft is yeah it's to go to the
03:00:05
Brian Atlasuh to army they pick you to go to the Army you literally said if they want to you draft is going to the war in the army they pick you don't have a choice
03:00:17
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)my have no choice to go whether they she's saying they want to be in the Army that's what she was saying we are not phally say want true so I can do what you can do not NE yeah yeah but hang on
03:00:30
Andrew Wilsonto I think that what you're saying is fine I don't have an issue with what you're saying okay but maybe we can back it up a little bit so that we can see if we can determine if what you're saying makes sense or it kind of doesn't make
03:00:41
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)sense I understand oh sorry go ahead uh so you are an islamist correct I'm a Muslim that's what is it islamist that's not even a word well I don't know
03:00:53
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)I'm talking about women it it is a word talking Rel if you're but if you're a Muslim uh I'm sorry but can you name the Muslim Nation where they have instituted their laws
03:01:05
Andrew Wilsonthat women are voting Egypt what are you talking about women vote in is that under Muslim law or is that under parliamentary law are you talking about Sharia law Sharia law was removed St one at a time I can't understand both at one
03:01:17
Andrew Wilsontime time Sharia law was removed from Saudi Arabia like in what 2016 I'm not so sure dri my question is can you name a country that is under Sharia law which is Muslim law where women are allowed to
03:01:30
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)vote I don't know I'm not aware of this knowledge you don't know libanon Doon and um uh what's it called Jordan Jord Jordan they can also women can vote
03:01:43
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)under Sharia law they're not under first of all Sharia law is like it's not that's not Islam that's not Muslim Islam is believing in one God and believing the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings
03:01:53
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)be upon Him is the last prophet that is what a Islam is so all the other stuff you're talking about is politics and it's not to do with religion directly what I'm talking about I don't really
03:02:04
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)have anything to say about the draft I don't know too much about army stuff but I I know is that women should be able to vote because when the time of frame when there wasn't women wasn't able to vote
03:02:15
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)how were we treated as women terribly Terri how are we treated Terri how women were treated back then $200 it just doesn't make sense why would you want to be treated that yeah
03:02:27
Andrew WilsonI'm going to answer your question you were treated like objects so if if I don't know if you want to get to the Super Chat first but I would like to finish the exchange thank you Gerald um so so let's let's move back first you say in the 1800s women couldn't vote
03:02:40
Andrew Wilsonthat's true but neither could men so I don't I don't know I don't know how that is somehow great for you to make that point because for most of human history neither women nor men
03:02:51
Andrew Wilsoncould vote right only Elites only Elites and property owners for like for instance the Republic of the United States a republic it was not set up for universal suffrage most men couldn't
03:03:02
Andrew Wilsonvote and women couldn't vote and women only got the vote shortly after men got the vote very shortly after men got the vote so this was very very close
03:03:13
Andrew Wilsontogether here's another interesting little tidbit for you every place where women got to vote on whether or not they wanted to vote they voted no they always voted that they didn't want the right to vote do you know why it's because they
03:03:26
Andrew Wilsondidn't want to get drafted and they didn't want to have to take on parliamentary duties compelled against their will that's why so it makes a lot of sense if men are defend you're saying in order for me to have the right to speak up and choose who I want as my
03:03:38
Andrew Wilsonpresident in the place that I live in I have to go in the war and fight even though I'm not saying you have to I'm just asking for the potential of it so here what I mean by this I I'll explain
03:03:49
Andrew Wilsonit so that you understand I'm just asking for the potentiality meaning if there is some threat to the United States that and and all men are going to
03:03:59
Andrew Wilsonbe compelled potentially to go and thwart that threat then I think that you also should be compelled to go thwart that threat or why should you be allowed to vote you should not have a stake in
03:04:12
Andrew Wilsonother words to start wars with other countries because you're women but then not have to fight them because you're women how am I starting a war by voting president who's President yes if you
03:04:22
Andrew Wilsonvote you're voting in politicians and are you saying politicians don't start wars I mean yes they do but I don't think that I believe thaten interes that you can vote for somebody who can then
03:04:34
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)start a war which you will never have to go fight in that's not true because I if I decide myself if I go to the Army and I train my body to be like GI then yeah I'll go Jo I don't have a problem with
03:04:46
Brian Atlasthat I just like you guys are debunking the woman's mind and saying she just because she doesn't have the physical fit go ahead hold on okay couple things here because there Andrew raised a good point you countered by saying it was 100
03:04:59
Brian Atlasyears so when it comes to the right to vote only 50 years passed between the ratification of the 15th Amendment which gave all men the right to vote in 1870 and the 19th Amendment which was the
03:05:11
Brian Atlaswomen's vote in 1920 so only 50 years in America that all men could vote that women could not Nick pull it up
03:05:19
Brian Atlasokay countries with universal right to vote so uh the brown is no Universal right to vote so this means like men and
03:05:29
Brian Atlaswomen the light blue is universal right to vote for only men the uh other blue is universal right to vote for men and
03:05:39
Brian Atlaswomen and this is uh is this for uh for the world did they just sort of aggregate it's Universal right aggate data so this Trope that there was like
03:05:51
Brian Atlaslong stretches of human history where men just had all this power and women didn't most men couldn't vote most women couldn't vote men if they wanted to vote they had to go and die and fight in Wars for their country so their rights no
03:06:04
Brian Atlasthey still weren't allowed to vote even then that is true that but I'm talking like for the short period of time that men did have the right to vote uh and women didn't that even that was
03:06:16
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)localized for most back to gender rules why do you want to revoke our rights as a woman in this let me just say something I was trying to say Let me say something I was just trying to I was trying to say I don't have anything to
03:06:28
Andrew Wilsonsay about the the draft because I'm knowledge but I'm say hang on hang on let me address her point and then and then we'll get into yours problem go ahead no problem so you say why do you want to take away women's right to X
03:06:38
Andrew Wilsonokay I think that this is a valid question and so I'm going to once again reiterate this argument if there is the potential that all men in the United States can be
03:06:50
Andrew Wilsondrafted and sent into conflict because they all mandatorily mandatory that they have to register for the draft period it's mandatory then I think if that is true
03:07:02
Andrew Wilsonthey deserve the state to be able to elect politicians who have the potential to start wars and women who do not have to go fight those Wars should not be able to elect politicians who then can
03:07:13
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)start a war that they will not have to fight in so if you make this concession yes I think women should be mandatorily drafted then fine then we can just do that okay so when men were drafted into World War I and World War II what were the women doing you're acting like they
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Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)didn't do anything they were taking care of the country they they weren't dying for you yeah but they were taking care of the country making got back there was something for you there was something for you when you come back home like they have your kids they have a
03:07:38
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)responsibility the gender Ro hold on let me okay I'll just come in really quick on this who do you think is the primary victim of war men or women I think men suffer more men suffer but women women have a duty and they
03:07:50
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)have a role and they have a value in during the times of War what's your answer it's all about perception do you feel like losing your life in this life do you feel like that's the worst thing that could happen to you to me I don't
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Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)think that because of my religious belief get drafted and be quiet about it well what I'm trying to say is it's all about perception she's saying that a woman not suffering as bad as a man cuz he's dying no he's dying for his country
03:08:14
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)that's an honor a woman she's sitting there got to take care of the kid take care of all these things don't have no man anym agriculture nursing sickness nursing going into the war helping the people get better like there's so many
03:08:27
Brian Atlasthings a woman has to do and you guys are disregarding to do I am disregarding it I absolutely am disregarding it you're not going to sit here and say that that
03:08:39
Brian Atlaswomen sacrifice more when it comes to war than men I'm not sayit yes I am going to disregard women's war time of I'm going to [ __ ] that I'm actually happy to get into your argument
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Andrew WilsonI think that again you made at least a counterargument and so I do want to get into it because it is a counter ARG whole not even about the dang War cuz I I even just said that in the beginning my whole point was about women being vot
03:09:03
Andrew Wilsonlet me repeat your position back to you so that I you know that I know what it is okay your position is women are at home and they're sacrificing even during wartime they're keeping the fires
03:09:14
Andrew Wilsonburning they're keeping the the houses warm keeping the kids fed there is a form of sacrifice that women are doing keeping life going yeah yeah am I wrong or is that your argument yeah they're right you're right okay great then I
03:09:27
Andrew Wilsonwould like to respond to the argument okay so while I will grant that this is true there's you're not compelled to do so meaning there's no draft making you take care of the home front there's no
03:09:40
Andrew Wilsondraft making you take care of these things there's no draft making sure that even at home you're following domestic duties to make it better for men when they get back you're still not compelled
03:09:51
Andrew Wilsonand because of that you will always face a lesser consequence than men for a war which means you would have more incentive to elect politicians who could start one so you're saying that men who are sick or disabled they shouldn't have
03:10:03
Andrew Wilsonthe right to vote either because they're sick and disabled they can't fight my argument is that the potential as long as the potential exists there are men can be compelled every man can be
03:10:15
Andrew Wilsoncompelled into the armed services regardless of disability they could be a [ __ ] vegetable and the military can draft them legally the military can come
03:10:25
Andrew Wilsonin and draft their asses legally because they are compelled to go into service women are not because that potential exists they're going to be far more responsible when it comes to electing politicians who won't start wars because
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Andrew Wilsonthey have to go [ __ ] fight them and here at home the counterargument is but the women will be home taking care of the fires maybe but they're not compelled to do so and since they're not compelled to do so there's no reason for
03:10:49
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)us to believe they even do that you want to start you think wait what do you mean women are not compelled to you think that they don't love their country just as men you think that a woman can't love her country country just as much as men why aren't they out there saying why
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Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)then that's where come gender roles so you're saying well well if a woman loves her family just as much as a man then why can't she pick up the gun and save us from getting robbed no what I'm saying to you is that if the man is going to be saying I
03:11:14
Andrew Wilsonshould be a man let me respond to your argument I'm saying to you that if the man is the one who you expect to pick up the gun and defend you from the robber who's breaking in he should get the big [ __ ] piece of chicken shouldn't he he
03:11:25
Andrew Wilsonalready does like he already does yeah and the reason he does is because the expectation is that he does that for you so he gets something additional that you don't get that's how that works you
03:11:36
Andrew Wilsonalready treat it that way because of you know gender roles okay so who who do you think get should more respect the mother or the father who should get more respect the mother or the father um well they're respected in different ways but who
03:11:49
Andrew Wilsonshould but who should have the higher suemac you have to save either mother or father who should when you're talking about stop stop I'm going to I'm going to try to all I'm trying to do is understand the question first before I
03:11:59
Andrew Wilsonanswer it when you say more in this instance okay I are you saying okay you don't want me to get clarification no I can I apologize I'm waiting for your answer yeah I know but I need you to clarify a point first so I
03:12:12
Andrew Wilsoncan answer right when you say the word more in this instance are you you saying that kids should respect dad more than Mom are you saying love more you saying it's a combination of these things
03:12:25
Andrew Wilsonliterally matters more if you had to save a mother or a father falling down a cliff who matters more to sa you're asking him like three different question question okay so I'll start I'll start with the one I just heard the falling
03:12:37
Andrew Wilsondown the cliff so I personally would likely save the woman but not because she matters to society more but because there's an obligatory Duty under Christian ethics to do that
03:12:49
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)first that's why okay so now you're acknowledging the power of a woman you're acknowledging that their women have value and that I'm Comm not the same as a man but we
03:12:59
Andrew Wilsonhave value and we have power and we have say you don't have value they just said your value is not in parliamentary politics in fact you're claiming your value is not in parliamentary politics you're claiming your value is in a
03:13:11
Andrew Wilsonsupport role at home where you're you know sewing up the [ __ ] socks and cooking the meals and keeping the home Fire's warm and not out there fighting the wars so if that's what your duty is if that's what your place is then why
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Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)the [ __ ] are you in parliamentary politics voting to send the men men to war that doesn't make any sense if I have a service to this world if I have a talent if I have the knowledge to help this world I as a woman will put my talent to use yeah but you're talking about gender rules why you need the
03:13:36
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)right to vote to do that no it's all coming down to the same thing it's all coming down to a man being drafted into the war and they're saying women shouldn't vote because men women can have voice but it is I agree I agree
03:13:46
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)with the point where it's like if okay Iran obviously we women have such less uh freedoms and voice and whatever it is
03:13:55
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)I get it but at age of 18 my brother or 16 if you don't leave the country my brother will get drafted I'm safe my brother is not my brother can never go back to Iran cuz he will get drafted and
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Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)has to go to war so for me I agree with that where if you want to talk about gender roles then yes there has to be like an incentive like Andrew's talking about that it has to be bigger thing for the man versus the woman I don't I want
03:14:18
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)to bring back the gender rules I want to be at home I want to be the the nurturer I want yes you can have value you can add to the society it's no one saying that but like I I want people to have women and men have equal but I'm not
03:14:30
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)equal to a man so I if they need to have more rights more voice into things then yes because I'm not going to be able to fulfill the things that men do I'm not going to go to war you shouldn't vote you believe that you shouldn't V woman vot but if it comes but he's saying that
03:14:44
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)that we shouldn't be able to vote because we're not being drafted comes to the yeah there's a part of it that if it's the politics of War if we're going to bring back if we said earlier if we're going to change things and bring the you know the man uh feminine roles
03:14:56
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)bring bring back the masculinity okay if we're going to change things then yes there should be a change if we're going to bring the more masculine if I want to be a stay home wife then yes the man being the masculine he should have a
03:15:07
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)higher voice Islam like when it comes we are coming from a place that my dad is the head of the household in Iran that's how I was raised my dad said whatever my dad's go so it's for me I agree with them
03:15:20
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)because it's like if we're going to change the system if there's it'll be a change if the masculin wants to come back and we want to be in our feminine role no one's saying Dev value US it's just saying we want to be in our feminine role so then there has to be a change men have no they they somebody
03:15:32
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)gave you a right hey this is a golden ticket it's your right to speak she's over here trying to take it back like no you can't we don't want this say speak but it's saying like if you're politic going step submissive slave no no it's not see that's the thing that's the
03:15:44
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)triggers of being submissive the being submissive slave that doesn't mean that's that's because you're taking away power isn't Islam literally mean submission yes and that's and I submission Is Not a Bad Thing submitting is not a bad sub submissive slave
03:15:57
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)talking about from a woman to a man not from a woman to her no a woman that is an honor when you in islamit Islam our Rel even in Islam as
03:16:07
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)it is an honor when a woman decides that she wants to submit to her man okay so don't say it's a submissive slave and it's about I'm talking about taking away your power what she just said I want I found I found your I found your
03:16:20
Andrew Wilsonguy here to quote him voice hang on hang on and let me let me make this quote real quick this comes from your guy that you brought up
03:16:28
Andrew WilsonMaximus Decimus Meridius and he says when death comes and and smiles at you all you can do is smile back right
03:16:39
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)that's that's his quote would you agree with that quote from Maximus Decimus Meridan yes I agree I just said that during the war thing I lit just said death is not the wor think women are on the front lines of the battlefield
03:16:51
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)smiling back at death yes because if you're fighting for Jad Jad is Jad is Honorable death so you're saying you're fighting for your VC you're fighting for your country you're fighting for justice you're fighting for your peace in this
03:17:03
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)life and you die that's that's the most honorable death yeah but women are not okay we're talking about I don't know if we're talking about hypothetically or what it is cuz what I the question that I addressed earlier if we're going to
03:17:13
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)change things then yes I want men to have the same more control in politics because they do put their lives on the line period that's that's the thing no one saying don't vote you can vote on different things disagree with that yeah I didn't disagree with that my point is
03:17:26
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)saying my whole point that since I started speaking was women should should be able to vote they should be able to vote but not in the politics it's like things pertaining to War I do have to I do have to move it on a little bit here desert Joe keeping this in the context
03:17:39
Brian Atlasof the US and what is currently the law in the books all men are required to register for Selective Service draft at age 18 in order to get the right to vote women are not so to bring it back to your original thing you had a
03:17:50
Brian Atlasdisagreement you said that uh you disagree with me that I think uh women should be drafted unlike you I think women should be able to vote uh and so but with that should come a form of
03:18:02
Brian Atlasequality between men and women and that equality would manifest itself as women after over a hundred years having the right to vote but without any corresponding responsibility in the same way that men had a corresponding
03:18:14
Brian Atlasresponsibility for them to secure for men to secure their right to vote uh yeah women should be subject to the draft because we can talk about frankly
03:18:24
Brian AtlasI think it's going to be much more politically uh achievable to make women subject to forc military conscription than it will be to walk back women's right to vote so just pragmatically
03:18:36
Brian Atlasspeaking we need to move towards what feminists have been fighting for equality y'all can be drafted too although even then even in the case where you were drafted it still
03:18:47
Brian Atlaswouldn't be fair for a myriad of reasons and even if they I think I saw something how uh what they're currently arguing I guess in in the government is they are thinking about drafting women but they
03:18:59
Brian Atlaswould not be drafted into any Frontline combat and even if they were drafted into Frontline combat women always have an out whether they're volunteer or where they whether they were drafted
03:19:11
Brian Atlaswhat you see happening a lot with uh military women who are volunteers uh before they're about to be uh shipped out or whatever they just get pregnant and if you get pregnant that's
03:19:22
Brian Atlasa they they uh I don't know the exact procedures but you would not be uh you would not be deployed and they might just give you a honorable discharge or
03:19:33
Brian Atlassomething I medical discharge I'm not entirely sure but uh yeah you can always at the end of the day as a woman you can always kind of avoid it so see I'm I'm I think that uh just instituting the woman's draft for equality I would be
03:19:46
Andrew Wilsonbehind that allow voting to continue because I do believe 100% that were a general draft instituted and women actually feared that they themselves would be drafted their voting patterns would greatly change and we'd never see
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Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)a democrat in office again for the rest of our lives that's what I think absolutely because they want to have they would at that point have to face the consequences of whatever they're voting for in thing which women often don't face consequences for the things
03:20:11
Andrew Wilsonthat they do so I would actually like to see women held to account and I think that if there was a General draft and I would even go further with the law and say for every man drafted in a war a
03:20:22
Andrew Wilsonwoman equally also must be drafted so um in this case I think that you would it's complete equality you would share the burden across the board and what we'd end up with is much more responsible voting patterns from women all right
03:20:35
Andrew Wilsonwell you sit down for nine months and have the baby in your stomach yeah you spend you know 20 years of your life uh raising them like I did my husband works way harder than I do I'm just say what's
03:20:47
Andrew Wilsonthe argument you think do you think I haven't been in the room many many times watching the painstaking Agony that women go through for two [ __ ] days try it for 20 years try going in the
03:20:58
Andrew Wilsonmost horrific things you can ever imagine for 20 [ __ ] years breaking your body down for years and years and years and I'm supposed to kiss your ass cuz for two days you were in a little
03:21:08
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)bit of Agony [ __ ] that [ __ ] okay all right I'm done with this discussion would you rather let me just
03:21:16
Brian AtlasI'm just curious would you rather um be on the front for 6 months or go through pregnancy i' rather go through pregnancy
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Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)okay yeah cuz I'm woman that's what I was blessed with in this life to give life yeah okay so then what would you
03:21:36
Brian Atlasrather do what would you rather do what what front World War I I'll be pregnant wait bro none of it's it's
03:21:47
Brian Atlascrazy because I I think like a lot of you don't even have like you don't even have a base understanding of Warfare at all you don't even know when World War I is you don't even know when World War II
03:21:59
Brian Atlasis you don't know the absolute barbarism that occurred during these just brutal military conflicts and so if a woman's never even heard of trenchfoot she's
03:22:09
Brian Atlasnever even heard of chemical uh like chemical weapons mustard gas for example mhm like these are are really male exclusive sufferings that have occurred through history I can't think of like
03:22:22
Brian Atlaswomen who got trench foot you guys don't probably don't even know what trench foot is you don't know what like if you look at the the just absolute catastrophe of warfare all of
03:22:33
Brian Atlaslike the vast majority of these absolutely devastating outcomes almost exclusively impact men but then why do you ask like you guys are you guys are
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Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)oblivious and ignorant to like the absolute like insanity that is how can I respect you as a man if you don't want to get up and fight the war that's how can I look at you as aul man not respect
03:22:55
Andrew Wilsonyou as a woman who who will vote to send people off to a war but still wants to vote some how can you how can you vote to send men off to war because
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Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)completely irresponsible not respect my right and two I have the the ability and the like the right to give children to give life to add to this population can
03:23:15
Andrew Wilsonmen do that no yes you need men's yeah stop you need men's genetic material to create life it's not unilateral you don't just whimsically come up with a child in your brain and you're pregnant
03:23:27
Andrew Wilsonit requires male genetic material called sperm and after after hang on after the sperm is injected inside of your womb then the egg is fertilized then there's life this is not unilateral this is not
03:23:39
Andrew Wilsonsomething you don't just walk around and go well I'm going to reproduce today boom that's not how it works you need male genetic mat material it's totally and completely irresponsible for women to say I demand the right to vote so
03:23:52
Andrew Wilsonthat I have a say so when you could vote in politicians who send in people to Wars which you then will not have to fight that's not only fundamentally unfair and undemocratic but it's also
03:24:03
Andrew Wilsonmonstrous it's monstrous to make the claim that a section of society who claims that they are equal and free can then use a different subset of society to go fight their Wars on their behalf
03:24:15
Brian Atlasthat's crazy burmes Mountain tiger thank you for the 10 gifted subs and thank you for the big 50 gifted Subs really good to see you back in the chat Man He's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer by the way Andrew just cooked that was beautiful
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Brian AtlasAndrew thank you thank you that was a great one um burmes mountain and tiger good to see you in the chat man thank you thank you appreciate thank you for all the gifted Subs man you're a Legend um anyways I do got to move it on a little bit here from the draft why don't
03:24:41
Andrew Wilsonwe get by the way that was a that was a great exchange I did I did actually enjoy the fact that they had arguments that's rare on the show if you had arguments congratulations hats off to you I wasn't wearing one but if I was
03:24:54
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)hats off because you actually had arguments and I do appreciate that there you go you know I think mine comes from being in the middle of Iran and Iraq war and you actually hear the bombs going
03:25:03
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)off and like the fear of having people Brothers family being drafted I think that's where it is it's like I would be for when men have more control if
03:25:14
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)they're being drafted because when you're in in that when you hear the damages when you hear the war when you hear the bombs going over your head it and you have to run for safety go to basement it's a completely different perspective that comes from it where
03:25:27
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)it's like I would never want to be I would never want to be in the front lines so for me if it's like if they're going to be in the front lines then yeah I want them to have more power in the decision- making of where that war is going to go and what's not going to
03:25:39
Brian Atlashappen Okay so moving things on I think going back to one of the disagreements going to Jessica here um you I think in your initial initial message excuse me you said that Brian said plastic surgery
03:25:52
Brian Atlasis a mental illness um and you wanted to come have a conversation about that you work in a like Cosmetics office or plastic
03:26:02
Brian Atlassurgeon's office um so um I my my view is generally speaking uh women who and I
03:26:11
Brian Atlassuppose men too who elect to get uh purely cosmetic surgery I do think it uh pretty strongly correlates to mental illness you seem to disagree I'm happy
03:26:22
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)to have a conversation about it well I guess so purely cosmetic there's there's two different reasons people get plastic surgery one is Vanity and they actually call it um snap Snapchat dysphoria where
03:26:33
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)people are basically trying to get surgery to look like the Snapchat version of the so in that case yes I would I would agree with you just because those people are nightmares to deal with but um you know obviously my
03:26:46
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)office were very unique we deal with mostly men which we we don't even do Botox there uh most plastic surgery are all women and boobs and everything but uh I don't know if you guys know what
03:26:56
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)guen chasti is so it is plastic surgery it is considered cosmetic um you know it's not covered under Insurance unless you needed like a full chest lift but uh
03:27:06
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)is this for the uh tea stuff gyne well no no it can be CU a lot of guys they associate it with being on testosterone which it can um but we do a lot of
03:27:16
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)teenagers we do a lot of 12-year-olds I mean the te and LGBT oh no we don't do that we don't do any gender yes no we don't I think unless they've changed it I think that the surgeons have to have
03:27:28
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)special insurance if they do gender affirming care um we don't do that we gyne comasia is basically enlarged male breasts so we'll do it on teenagers like little boys that are literally like so
03:27:38
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)little body fat and then they have puffy nipples or like almost be cut breast and it's I mean the stuff that I see that why when I saw the mental illness I see boys literally taping their chest with
03:27:50
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)duct tape just so they don't get bullied or made fun of you know it's a that does have a lot to do with estrogen testosterone this type of thing it does yeah it could be genetic it can be hormones I mean you can get it from
03:28:01
Brian Atlassteroid use um you know obviously like the teenagers aren't on steroids but so what okay so what uh this is typically uh gynocomastia it's is the
03:28:12
Brian Atlasright word a normal yeah AB it's it's not like it is abnormal that it is not the normal manifestation of breast tissue in men no and most men do have some breast tissue
03:28:23
Brian Atlasbut this is an enlarge so it's literally like a mouse and it can stem from a medical problem yeah I mean such as well it it's hormonal imbalance genetics um it can be caused by
03:28:35
Brian Atlasmedication yeah and this hormonal imbalance is causing them to uh look away that is not typical of uh of men yeah and I mean the stuff that we we
03:28:46
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)hear it's it's so sad I mean these kids get called like [ __ ] tits and I mean the stuff is really really awful but I've seen a different side of how it really affects men especially when it comes to well wouldn't you liken this to
03:28:58
Andrew Wilsonlike um you know burn victim or something like this if uh somebody was a burn victim I mean Brian's been pretty clear that he thinks that cosmetic surgery which is done for the purpose of
03:29:09
Andrew Wilsonreintroducing normaly rather than some type of bump up into a different classification is fine I mean he's basically that's been his position every single time I've heard him lay it down
03:29:21
Andrew Wilsonin fact yeah okay the the clip I saw it just said plastic surgeries and mental illness and I was like not not the type cuz yeah well I think I think he's talking about um uh lip filler butt lifts things like this which are
03:29:32
Andrew Wilsondesigned specifically to be high-risk Beauty enhancements not uh a way so like for instance there are women who are born with a smaller breast than their other breast right um this is something
03:29:44
Andrew Wilsonthat's fairly common uh I don't think anybody anybody even people who were against plastic surgery would be against uh taking care of that issue for them that's not that's not problematic I
03:29:56
Andrew Wilsondon't think that uh that that's a fair way to phrase it he's he's talking specifically about people who are using cosmetic surgery in order to enhance themselves into what look like plastic
03:30:06
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)monsters yeah I mean we like I said we don't do Botox or filler so um I guess I work in a very unique plastic surgery setting I guess what I'm saying is there's two sides to it you know for
03:30:18
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)cosmetic I think it's affecting you if you're trying to become something that you're not cuz you're just so insecure sure obviously there's something mentally going on but if there's something wrong with you and you're trying to correct something that's
03:30:29
Brian Atlasabnormal I don't see a problem with it right so yeah I mean when when it comes to C like certain procedures I don't really have any objections to certain
03:30:39
Brian Atlasprocedures I I think the Genesis of plastic surgery actually originated I think with uh even men who were who went to war and they had severe deformities
03:30:50
Brian Atlasin their face they got a bullet to the face shrapnel shell to the face and so their faces were totally deformed and even if there wasn't necessarily it wasn't necessarily C causing some sort
03:31:01
Brian Atlasof medical issue perhaps they could breathe fine but their face was severely deformed it made it difficult for them to maneuver through Society they were looked ads etc etc etc um even if it was
03:31:13
Brian AtlasCosmetic in that sense it was bringing them back to normal or as close to normal as possible obviously plastic surgery has evolved quite a bit you know over the years well well let me let me ask you a question if you don't mind Brian because I'd like to get
03:31:25
Andrew Wilsonclarification on this from you too let's say that there was a big rally that a guy was at and a projectile whizzed by his head at lightning speed and put a
03:31:34
Andrew Wilsonhole in the side of his face but a small one okay and then he uh being the future president of the United States pumped his hand up and went yeah and there was a plastic surgeon on scene who could
03:31:46
Brian Atlastape it together real quick and make it look like no scar no damage nothing like you wouldn't be against that right no I I would not be against that no because there was a there was an injury you know
03:31:56
Brian Atlaslet's say his ear was like flop flopping off uh you know I think and actually wouldn't just any surgeon be able to just sew it back together I you know you know what I mean yeah but but would you
03:32:09
Andrew Wilsonwould you mind if if there was some type of like special cosmetic surgeon who came in to make sure that there was very little or limited scarring because this person happens as the future president
03:32:20
Brian Atlasof the United States to be a prominent politician uh would you would you have even a problem with that yeah no objections there my my primary objections tend to be these purely
03:32:30
Brian Atlaspurely vanity cosmetic procedures BBL lip filler lipo fake breasts labioplasty Etc excuse
03:32:40
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)me as somebody who's had uh obviously my boes in yeah um if I had to do it again I definitely wouldn't have because I went through so
03:32:52
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)much [ __ ] I think it caused more trauma than it did because for me it was I was doing more Fitness shoots and all I want I already had big breasts to begin with and all I wanted was like a little bit
03:33:03
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)of side boob maybe Upp or Fuller and it like I've had probably four or five surgeries and I'm still not happy I had um it led into depression um I was celibate for 5 Years cuz I was like I
03:33:14
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)don't want to date like so that's how Jess and I actually met she was my nurse like 8 years ago and how how old were you when you got the I was 32 when I first got him and it was supposed to be
03:33:26
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)a simple my best friend got him and I wanted him for like 10 years and I was like you know what let me just do it and it's funny cuz I couldn't even come up with the reason when my mom told me as an adult my mom's like I'm like oh I'm going to get my boobs done and he's like
03:33:38
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)well you tell your dad I'm like no you tell that like literally I felt like a little kid like telling my dad like oh I want to get my he's like why I was like I don't know I just want him and it's there literally wasn't a reason I didn't need to went to many doctors they told me actually not to get him done cuz they
03:33:51
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)said if you're going to do it you need a lift and implants because you're going to get what is it the double bubble whatever it's called um so I got him done I honestly shouldn't have touched
03:34:02
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)them after I got them done the first time but I was very greedy cuz I wanted them more natural and then I was like well it's not it's this proportionate to my body uh within I think 8 months I
03:34:13
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)switched them out ended up having a hematoma I had blisters everywhere I had to have arola tattoos had to have like multiple surgeries since then like one is like so much pain cuz I lift weights
03:34:25
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)at the gym so when I lift the harder it gets and honestly to this day I am still not happy like I'm just waiting to get to the goal weight that I want and I'm I may take them out and when girls ask me
03:34:36
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)I'm like don't I'm not the one to ask cuz like I love the way they look but I feel like there's a part of me that I lost cuz I for example even like um there was a tomboy part of me or Fitness where I would do push-ups pull-ups all
03:34:49
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)those things I don't really do those anymore cuz it's just uncomfortable or it's painful so I feel like it's limited me in many ways but I'm I don't know I'm I may be an anomaly but I definitely
03:35:00
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)regret doing it because each time I've done it I've been more dissatisfied than
03:35:06
Brian Atlasthe time before so yeah yeah I mean well uh Madison back here her uh aunt got BBL surgery and she
03:35:18
Brian Atlasdied yeah was a sepsis or what what happened there's a lot of vascularity so they yeah but it's just I mean my purview is is that
03:35:28
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)typically uh I mean for it's probably mental illness what about like a necklift when you're older and especially for men cuz you guys have the button-up shirts and it starts
03:35:39
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)pitching there he's like I'll wear my sweater hoodie I got a beard I'm chilling um don't wear but that's too much but I think everything in moderation I I
03:35:51
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)do agree the like the C so it's uncomfortable yeah so if a guy has a I know women don't have these issues but the collared shirts on men have no flexibility so like a lot of our like business guys will get necklift because
03:36:03
Brian Atlaswhen they do this it has this like overhang and it pinches the skin I mean so there's a little bit if they're like required in their business Endeavors to
03:36:13
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)they got to wear a suit and it's like causing pain I suppose I'm fine with that so it's the excessive but let me ask you a question when let me ask you a question for breast implants
03:36:26
Brian Atlasyeah is there any scenario where like it's a woman is in pain and she would need breast implants breast implants to prevent her pain now
03:36:36
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)I know there's breast reduction that's not really what I'm talking about um so they use implants depends so they use them um for masectomy after they literally take everything off as a
03:36:47
Brian Atlasshaper um but those are considered she had cancer so if I grant if I grant that I'm fine with women who've had breast removed for cancer or whatever uh if I'm fine with that but would you agree with
03:36:59
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)me that all the women who are otherwise healthy who just get fake titties that that's probably for yeah well for augmentation you know it's like I I am a bigger fan of if it makes you feel
03:37:11
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)confident however like I actually person personal preference I love small boobs so I don't you have implants yourself I had a reduction wait so I naturally had really big boobs to start with so at 22
03:37:22
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)I had a reduction but you have implants I have a very small implant so they with reductions a lot of times they use like it's basically like this big and it's a shaper just to keep it there so the tissue doesn't P okay oh so you you had
03:37:35
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)a reduction mhm and then you got implants at it's at the same time so they do it it's basically to hold everything I've never heard that is that pretty common like you got big titties
03:37:46
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)I'm going to have a reduction but put some fake titties is that a well it's still smaller than significantly the what they were basically as a shaper more than anything um I did you get that
03:37:57
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)for like uh you had back pain or no I just I hated big boobs to be honest I want it small you hate it oh yeah I mean I'm not that tall so I haven't heard that one before okay that's interesting
03:38:09
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)uh okay well yeah I don't know I feel like the mental illness part of it comes become it can become addictive cuz even with me it's like the pursuit of perfection
03:38:20
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)that's the part that it can really [ __ ] with you where you're just constantly chasing it I mean I wasn't mentally ill to begin with I was vain as [ __ ] in that
03:38:29
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)sense where I wanted bigger boobies um and but I think it caused more issues than it solved issues for me yeah and I think social media is a big thing so the
03:38:42
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)the numbers the stats right now um obviously I'm in a more male dominated industry but the stats right now uh for plastic surgery are now going into the 20y olds because of social media that
03:38:53
Brian Atlasthey're altering their face I know it's just like it's kind of it's sad to me that a generation multiple generations of women have been sold this lie that in order to be beautiful or sexy or
03:39:04
Brian Atlasattractive or accepted that they need to uh undergo dangerous expensive and unnecessary cosmetic surgeries yeah I think if you feel like you need to and just coming from the perspective of
03:39:16
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)dealing with patients if you feel like that's going to solve your problems like you're it's not so yeah like I think if you're just doing it to enhance or better yourself like I'm okay with it but if somebody's like depressed and they they think this is the answer
03:39:30
Brian Atlasthey're never happy I guess I just think like I think women are good-looking without all that I think actually women who get these procedures make themselves look worse if I can be honest I think the fake titties
03:39:43
Brian Atlaslook bad the BBL looks bad the Lipo belly looks bad the lip filler looks bad the what's the other [ __ ] that y'all do Botox the lip fill yeah I don't know
03:39:54
Brian Atlasyeah I'm not expert on the botox [ __ ] but usually the the good work though you you really can't tell I've never seen like lip filler where you can't tell looking at the side lip filler if you look at the side profile there's always
03:40:05
Brian Atlasthis weird [ __ ] indent in the lip that just it doesn't look right it gives me oncy Valley I think women are honestly destroying their bodies just from like an aesthetic perspective I don't certain procedures I'm not a big
03:40:18
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)fan of um I will agree with you on filler I like filler probably anywhere yeah I have a question for you oh go ahead go ahead good um I just I know quite a few people who have gone out of
03:40:30
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)the country for these surgeries what's your opinion on that I'm just curious like out of the country surgeons versus in I mean obviously it's way cheaper right I wouldn't do it only because I
03:40:41
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)don't you know it's in the case so with all surgeries there's risk benefits and in the case there are risk and sometimes it's not the surgeon ER it could just be how you heal if you don't speak the language of the country and you don't
03:40:53
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)know the systems because the medical systems are very different there you really don't have rights either like at least in America you can sue there's the medical board there's you know certain Protocols of safety so I think that's kind of what you're paying for I I have
03:41:06
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)seen people get really good work somewhere to me I wouldn't cuz what happens if something does go wrong sure well I thought with electives you can't sue you can you can prove malpractice yeah if there's like botched or
03:41:18
Brian Atlasmalpractice or something but I don't know I'm look I'm Natural Body supremacist okay Natural Body Supremacy all you cosmetic people over here um
03:41:29
Brian AtlasI'll I'd rather an AUP or no boobs I prefer AUP or no boobs over some fake titties I'll take a little belly fat over the Lipo belly give me a small ass
03:41:40
Brian Atlasover a BBL no ass over a BBL can believe that can you no but take no ass I'll take pancake ass over BBL ass give me
03:41:49
Brian Atlaspancake ass over BBL uh uh small upper lip no upper lip white girl upper lip no upper lip over lip fillers give me that uh let's see basically any woman with
03:42:02
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)any of these procedures however they were before I prefer them as they were I don't disagree with you I mean still had the big boobs and now I have the pain with the big boobs so it's not as fun
03:42:14
Brian Atlasalso just from a to make it into a dating perspective I mean it already is a dating perspective because it's just like what are you physically attracted to but uh I think it's actually one it can in addition let's say it's not even
03:42:26
Brian Atlasa indicator for mental illness although it could very well be uh it is an indicator for vanity 100 like that you can't argue and so people who ring tend to have like a bit more superficial
03:42:38
Brian Atlastaste okay is she going to be a financial liability in some way she's probably she's just not even like that we don't I wouldn't even mesh there yeah I wear sweatpants you probably just see
03:42:49
Brian Atlasdollar signs BBL chicks don't go after guys in sweatpants okay they don't they don't do it they don't do it um there's a mismatch there in terms of vanity uh
03:42:59
Brian AtlasI'm trying to think what else uh oh the other thing is it's a financial liability because like if I'm let's say I'm the bread winner and she has a taste for plastic surgery over the
03:43:12
Brian Atlascourse of a lifetime is that an extra $100,000 that I'm gonna have to front because don't you have to get that's like like with breast implants don't you have to get that re redone every 10 20 years not necessarily if there's nothing
03:43:25
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)wrong with them you technically don't now you used to because they would leak you do have to get them checked up you know every so often but they're cohesive gel so again there's risk to benefits if you're there's nothing wrong aesthetically they're not causing pain
03:43:37
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)there no leaks then you're going to assume the risk of surgery and there's not a lot to gain so it's up to the surgeon word yeah oh and then l a plasty that's a that's we do not do that that's
03:43:48
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)a dagger in the heart to me right Nick Nick pull it up BLM is that popular it's very at least where I am it's very
03:43:57
Brian Atlaspopular laia matter hash can you pull up my nonprofit Nick please rude rude pull that [ __ ] up there we go he's got it yes
03:44:08
Brian Atlashell yeah # big laia matter I got nonprofit movement BLM um Andrew's on the board of directors so um yeah I mean is that really an I mean I I know it exists I know it's popular but I
03:44:21
Brian Atlasalways thought it was like for older women May mean older women no there's like these girls are like any age they're like insecure about their [ __ ] lips you know it's crazy that shit's crazy any any girls here insecure yeah
03:44:33
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)I'm just asking anyone insecure about the you know the it's not something I usually consider anybody insecure anyone ever felt insecure about Sam waxes so she could probably tell you some stories
03:44:43
Brian Atlasyou know the spotlight there I have I have saved over 100 roast beef is that what you're talking hey I don't like that kind of language I'm just asking I don't know
03:44:54
Brian Atlaswhat say yeah large large Leia Audi roast beef wizard sleeve Arby's wizard sleeve wizard sleeve I haven't heard that one it hang like wizard sleeve of
03:45:05
Brian Atlaswizard that's funny that's crazy yeah that's crazy see I don't like I don't like it like cuz I I don't think we should shame people I'm not Shing I'm I'm just saying I don't think we should chame people people for the way that you know they were born you can't change
03:45:17
Brian Atlasthat [ __ ] we should also we shouldn't shame people their genitalia shouldn't shame men shouldn't shame men if a man's got an average PP or small PP you shouldn't shame him no there's a lot of pp shaming there a lot of pp shaming
03:45:30
Brian Atlasthere's plenty of love have you guys sh shamed I bet you you've all here have shamed a peep pee before you've all shamed a peepee and I object to it shamed the hyene I've never
03:45:40
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)ashamed the peee that's good good with the hene yeah the H yeah the that's different but PP is I like that you can't control one I I
03:45:53
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)don't think women should be shamed if they you know they got a I don't know what to call it you say don't don't say Ros so what do you just big laia huh big labia sure Audi AI I
03:46:04
Brian Atlaslike I like the wizard sleeve wizard I've never heard that one has magical powers it does bro it's crazy it's crazy out here um funny cuz I'm not guy I'm
03:46:15
Brian Atlasnot uh I'm I'm not a boob guy I'm a lebia guy I'm a lebia guy interesting okay anyways moving on Awkward I want I want I I want to dive into how did you how did you find out
03:46:27
Andrew Wilsonthat you I mean everybody must Wonder this and if you're the Leia guy then what is the initial like attraction over how do you what are the things which initially attract you to them cuz they're not like walking over going hey
03:46:39
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)Brian take a look at my labia right camel to is my question well I'll let you know sir yeah do you make sure that like to meet them up with the what is it leggings and you know what I think as Revenge though
03:46:51
Brian Atlaswomen should start sending [ __ ] picks like you know how guys send dick piics women should be like boom just like take a shot boom here's no you guys aren't
03:47:02
Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)down I mean I think you got reverse men have been sending dickpics for I know no wants them you guys I want [ __ ] PS I'm like I used to if I used to get I would
03:47:13
Andrew Wilsonput them on blast like don't send me that don't slide in my DMs with no dick pigs thank you for the 10 uh yeah I I would I would like to know though like what how does the initial attraction
03:47:25
Andrew Wilsonwork what are the things what what are those physical characteristics i' like to say that I only date women with large labia but listen look I'll date I you know what I'll cut a girl I'll cut a
03:47:38
Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)girl break if she's got an any I guess I can date her I'll give her a pass you know if she's got a good person like a reg I don't there's so many names I mean she's got a good personality on I mean my