01:52:57Ayra Blakesomebody who wasn't able to say that said that to you he let me know that that's disrespectful for me to say that to him as well because if it's degrading on somebody else saying it then it's degrading on me are you going to stop
01:53:10Andrew Wilsonlistening to rap music it's not wait you're not letting me finish though what I'm saying yeah but I mean I mean listen what listen how logical this is it's like saying well I'm not going to listen to rap music anymore cuz it says the word in it let me just finish what I
01:53:22Ayra Blakesaying what I'm saying is is that I didn't think like that before I thought exactly what you're expecting me to think right now but when someone had the conversation with me and they let me
01:53:33Ayra Blakeknow that it's just as degrading for me to say it to him knowing that I'm the same race as him for someone else to say it to him and they're A different race
01:53:43Ayra Blakethat changed my mindset that changed my perspective on it because it is true someone else were to say that I need to take that same initiative and understand I get it you don't you don't have to reaffirm the same point five times I get
01:53:55Andrew Wilsonit I just want to Quick very quickly follow up with this if you do you think that if you were to ask 1,000 random black people in the street just 1,000 random black people would it hurt you
01:54:07Andrew Wilsonworse if a white person called you the n-word than if a black person called you the n-word do you how many of them do you think would say yes most uh very or
01:54:17Ayra Blakevery few how many I want to say I'm not exactly sure 100 100 I was like that that's what you're not understanding though I was the person who thought exactly what
01:54:30Ayra Blakeyou're saying like Okay if a white person calls me a [ __ ] it's bad but if a black person calls me a [ __ ] it's okay able I was able to change my
01:54:41Ayra Blakemindset because when I did that to someone they let me know that it's just as degrading the thing with is you're not listening though you're not listening listen let me tell what he's
01:54:51Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)asking your mindset has changed right I respect that that's cool but that's what have a changed mindset we never know until we talk to them you're right but that's not the question the question is a basic black and white it's literally
01:55:03Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)if a person if a white person calls you the Nord versus a black person it's a lot more like but when they say you have the card yeah I get it I'm moving it on
01:55:14Brian Atlaschanging my mind people moving it on okay uh Nick is was there something we were pulling up all yeah we can pull up we pull this up which is the video oh we'll come back to that actually I'm
01:55:26Brian Atlasgoing to bring it back to uh yeah oh stay safe I don't know if you're still watching thank you for the raid man much appreciate pull up Tik Tok uh twitch really quick guys go to twitch.tv whatever drops follow in a
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01:56:01Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)to Mary uh so I mean for you what does it mean to date to Mary you date to Mary well what do you mean well like thank you AB you date someone to potentially
01:56:13Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)end up marrying them mhm what does that look like to you like how do you carry yourself in a relationship to date to Mary versus just date to
01:56:24Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)date well I don't know I've never been married well obviously I've never been married either but there's a there's characteristics so like let's say what is your ideal if you pictured your
01:56:36Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)husband right what are those characteristics if you as a wife as someone who wants to be married what are the characteristics that you think you should have to date to marry or like
01:56:46Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)does that make sense yeah um well if I picture my husband and me as a wife I would picture me as caring loving takes care of things around the house while also trying to make income because I in
01:56:59Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)the future I want to live in a household that has dual income if possible does that make sense what do you look for in a man what do I look for in a man I
01:57:07Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)would say someone who's stable I guess all I really look for is stability like if you can't keep a job then I don't
01:57:17Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)want to be with someone like that can I ask you something mhm so the guy that you said broke up with you um he refused
01:57:27Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)to buy you a vape he obviously wasn't totally okay with you vaping um and he didn't want to buy it for you because he didn't essentially want to break the law so isn't that a green flag in a man
01:57:39Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)because that shows that he takes care of himself and he's also you know willing to like be straight As far as following the law doing all of those things right mhm so
01:57:51Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)maybe maybe you kind of have to change the way that you're putting yourself out there and you will find that man that you mentioned in the Tik Tok without moving um cuz I know you mentioned that a lot
01:58:03Brian Atlasof them like live far away so do you get what I'm saying yeah that was actually a good point because I mean you one of the things with the Vape and in addition to it
01:58:16Brian Atlasbeing illegal I it sounded like he had an issue with your uh are you addicted to nicotine no I could quit if I wanted to you could quit if you're I'm planning
01:58:28Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)on like stop like not vaping when school starts again do do the Vape cartridges do they have nicotine yes okay so you could quit
01:58:38Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)if you wanted to yeah why why do you want to quit when school starts yes why is why is that just because I know that I've been doing it
01:58:50Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)for a long while and I see that since it's not affecting the outside of my body I don't see it as a bad thing but I know internally it's
01:58:58Brian Atlashurting me so I want to quit once school starts but I mean so this guy who he didn't want to do something illegal but he also wanted to see you do
01:59:09Brian Atlassomething healthy by quitting The Vaping MH um wouldn't that be like POS husband material positive
01:59:21Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)characteris well yeah it was positive but regardless I still wanted to do it and I hoped that he would understand that right but he was trying to do something like he was trying to help you he was looking out
01:59:33Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)for you help me yeah and you punished him for it do you think you called him a [ __ ] and guns and argument do you think that maybe it was because you felt like he was controlling that aspect of your
01:59:43Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)life and you didn't like that feeling did it did because in the argument he was making it a point that since I was younger than him I was naive
01:59:53Brian Atlasand I didn't like that age how old is he he's 21 and you're 19 that's not massive AG thing but I mean was he wrong
02:00:03Brian Atlasthough well I don't I don't know well you you said that he you were naive why for Vaping for being addicted to no offense Andrew being addicted to
02:00:14Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)nicotine well I guess yeah isn't that typically a bad thing well like at this day who doesn't Vape anymore like I I used I Vaped at one point and then I didn't like literally cuz I if everybody
02:00:27Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)was shooting up heroin would but the thing the logic of it doesn't make sense if you already know that it's not good for you why not cut it now and wait till school like the
02:00:37Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)it's just I think the mentality of it is you want to do what you want to do and it comes to I don't know I don't want to say insecurity but it's like thinking that it's control when somebody wants something good for you it's like I want
02:00:50Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)to do what I want to do and be honest in my 20s I wanted to do what I wanted to do I don't want to be told what I want to do um because it's that stubborn it's that you still have a you know you want to you want to be your independent woman
02:01:02Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)don't tell me what to do but really when it comes down to it if you're looking for a husband a husband is a leader is somebody that I think there's that word of submit which triggers a lot of people but when you come to if you want a
02:01:15Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)husband who's a true leader true provider means you trust him to relinquish control and trust that he's going to make the the right decisions for you you submit to that man in a sense that he's going to take care of me
02:01:26Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)and the decisions that he's making for me is the best decisions for us for me so in that sense you would trust them like you know what you're right partying is not a good look for me vaping is not a good look for him because all those
02:01:38Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)things are going to make you better and that is the qualities that you do want in a man because he's making the right decisions in he's basically investing in your future cuz he's like I want this woman and I want the best version of her cuz in relationships you make each other
02:01:51Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)better so so those are qualities that you should look for and I think you you say you want to date to Mary you're not even remotely ready for that but I think it's just a matter of working on yourself and realizing that when you
02:02:02Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)truly want a man you have to be ready to if he's the right man that leads protects all of that then you can submit to him and trust him to make decisions for you so you had an issue with him
02:02:14Brian Atlastrying to you said like it was controlling or whatever or I it felt like that in a sense he trying to control you like how so you know well like I said before he made
02:02:25Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)it a point that since I was younger than him that I wouldn't listen I was naive I was stubborn well were you I don't know I was just like very
02:02:36Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)upset in the moment so would you do girls get naive and stubborn when they're upset some do sure yeah I mean there's a difference between bossing and leading
02:02:48Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)too so I mean you could it it just goes back and forth it's just a matter of what you want it's like you weren't you didn't want that relationship period like realistically does does he Vape does he smoke weed at all mhm oh so it
02:02:59Brian Atlaswasn't necessarily a health thing it was just year underage mhm yeah that kind of changes well take a little bit of a flag back pretty it is pretty unfortunate
02:03:08Brian Atlaslike the US was actually doing pretty in terms of its no offense Andrew it's uh it's was moving towards this very anti-tobacco like it was it was super stigmatized
02:03:21Brian Atlasthroughout the 2000s but then like vaping came on in early 2010s yeah we've been trying to change that slowly but surely yeah but
02:03:32Brian Atlasuh super stigmatized and then the Vapes came in and pretty much destroyed like a generation basically and got them hooked on nicotine um I used to smoke cloves I
02:03:43Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)don't even think you guys know what that is but it's like the J it's like basic cigars I know what cloves are yeah so I used to smoke before like when they used to Crackle back in the day and like when you smok and all those in the in the
02:03:56Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)social settings you smoke but when you're vaping you're 247 you were like pumping those things and you're like whether it's zero nicotine or it has anything it's crazy cuz there was a time that I was like I started doing the
02:04:07Brian Atlasvaping too and I was like I feel like I'm doing it way more than I would have smoked it's better if I smoked than VAP yeah anyways um going back to your original Tik Tok you also said when you
02:04:19Brian Atlasdate to Mary but every boy is is a cheater liar um so have you had personal experiences of men like cheating on you or lying yes okay um how many men would
02:04:31Brian Atlasyou say you've dated who've cheated on you just one oh just one just one and then you how many men have you dated who
02:04:38Brian Atlasdidn't cheat on you um like three oh okay I guess I was I guess not every was over exaggerating in the Tik Tok yeah um also there was another Tik Tok I don't
02:04:51Brian Atlasthink we have it pulled up but it says it was like a song or something it says why can't you want me like the other boys do they stare at me while I stare at you yeah is this the same guy no is this the guy who okay is it a different
02:05:03Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)guy was there a guy in mind when you for that one or no I just like the song okay no that's literally the point of that I thought you resonated no I just like that song okay uh it reminded me of the
02:05:16Brian Atlasthe lonely meme Nick do you have the lonely meme we haven't pulled that up in a while so like when women say that they're like lonely can't find a boy can't find a guy should be on the
02:05:34Brian Atlastabs uh yeah this is kind of uh yeah it's kind of like uh I think this is women's experience oh I can't find a guy I'm so
02:05:45Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)lonely you've got like 10 suitors dozens of suitors but you just reject them it's because everyone women have such high
02:05:55Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)expectations of unrealistic high expectations of men in my opinion yeah do you want to expand on that or I just think that I mean social media I think
02:06:05Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)plays a lot into this but I mean even I own a salon so you probably know this lots of women coming through lots of conversations um and it's just you know
02:06:16Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)he isn't tall enough he doesn't make enough money he's not this he's not that and it's like what happened to meeting a genuine person and growing together personally I don't know
02:06:27Brian Atlasabsolutely word not everyone's perfect uh back to you you I think there's another one another Tik Tok you said don't lead people on for three
02:06:37Brian Atlasmonths bro hasht hasht wasted three months of my life was that the same this guy that that one was about the same guy but so how so you feel like he led you
02:06:47Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)on he said himself that he led him that he led me on during the breakup yes he led you on how because he ultimately decided he wasn't ready for a
02:07:00Brian Atlasrelationship when he thought he was well so he led me on that's after you call him a [ __ ] though yeah I mean maybe it just that's like it's like it it wasn't it's not you it's me yeah like like you
02:07:13Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)don't want excuse It's like yeah it's like EXO straty for sure yeah he was probably just trying to let you down easy PR
02:07:24Brian Atlasprobably but do you feel like you were LED on yes but I don't get this whole thing this kind this always has confused me it seems like if a guy is not willing
02:07:34Brian Atlasto commit or he ends a existing relationship he's almost always framed as the bad guy for wanting to end a
02:07:43Brian Atlasrelationship whereas it it occurs to me that women reserve the right at any moment to end a relationship for for any reason frankly I think anybody can end
02:07:55Brian Atlasany relationship for any reason you you can date somebody or choose to not date somebody for any reason everybody has their own preferences standards and
02:08:05Brian Atlasboundaries but it's it's just interesting to me
02:08:11Brian Atlaslike I just why the framing here of like like have you ever ended things with a guy yes did you lead him on
02:08:23Brian Atlasno did you end things with the guy because he did something wrong yes okay so then why is it that when you end things with a guy it's because he did something wrong
02:08:35Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)but when a guy ends something with you he also did something wrong because when I end things with the guy I give the guy chances to fix his mistakes like if his behavior if he cheats on you no no no no
02:08:47Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)no just like if I notice like patterns like he's not putting in effort or or things like that well that's that's I suppose nice of you but you're not required to do that I'm sure you agree yeah I'm not but I'm the type of person
02:08:59Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)to have hope in things yeah but I feel like he told you if his reason was that he doesn't want a party girl he told you he doesn't want a party girl but then again I'm just going back to it you called him a [ __ ] and
02:09:10Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)that was he was done in that moment but he technically gave you a reason um so well then that was his reason and but it's just weird it's like okay okay if a
02:09:23Brian Atlasguy breaks up with you after dating you for 3 months 6 months whatever he'd LED you on but if a girl breaks up with a guy after 3 6 months however long it's for reasons that's just ego though it's
02:09:36Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)just that I feel like that's the ego of like being L on it's I don't you can but it's not leading I don't think it's leading somebody on if you break up with somebody for a reason if you don't want to be there you leave that's the thing
02:09:47Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)like if you you can't be led on unless they're intention are different unless they're telling you they want certain they want you to be your girlfriend marriage all these things and then that's not really their intention and they're just trying to hook up with you
02:09:59Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)okay that I understand being L on cool but if it's if you both decide that hey this is the person I want and you're moving toward a relationship and you want the same goals and that's why it's important to talk about values and goals and what you want in the beginning so
02:10:11Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)you're not let on cuz you know exactly what you're getting so um with everything that we're telling you do you agree no yeah I'm sucking it all in and
02:10:21Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)I'm like reminiscing okay and for future are you going to change that probably yeah because I know right now I am young and so I do make stupid decisions
02:10:33Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)sometimes so hopefully when I'm older I'm you're young but you're still an adult so you're capable of doing everything you you were capable of doing it right from the start it's just you
02:10:43Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)didn't so just take heed what we're saying mhm cool that was a good question actually how old do you want to be like have you obviously said date to marry but do you want to get married really young do you are you wanting to have a
02:10:55Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)family young or I mean cuz you are young right now so it's totally find a party while you're young if you want to get married a little later but are you looking to get married like very early is that your idea I wouldn't say like
02:11:07Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)early like probably when I'm done with college so in a couple years so yeah I mean I would just say if you should look at what type of husband you want and that goes with like lifestyle
02:11:19Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)travel party everything and it's kind of like showing up to a job interview is so if you show up to a job interview in your pajamas you're probably not going to get the the best job if you want someone to accept you in your pajamas
02:11:30Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)you're going to have to get a job that hires people in pajamas so it's it's attracting what you actually want so you know you can't just go into something wanting this really good husband and be like well just accept my baby and and
02:11:42Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)parting you know unless that's the type of guy that you're looking at to marry I mean can I say something to okay go it'll be very kind all right go ahead
02:11:54Ayra BlakeI would like to I I dream of getting married when I graduate college too as well I think that um we should just take this time to like really like learn
02:12:05Ayra Blakeabout ourselves and what mistakes we can make even if that's like choosing our needs first like you with the whole vaping thing like I have like not talked to people because they took my vape or
02:12:18Ayra Blakelike they didn't want to get me one like trust me you're not alone when it comes to that but we do need to work on that and like if we are like looking for someone that wants to spend the rest of their lives with us how are we living our lives and like what are we going to
02:12:31Ayra Blakedo to make it a better situation for us to be in a relationship like I feel like we should like take like deep looks at ourselves not just you but me too and
02:12:42Ayra Blakelike just notice like even like calling him like a certain type of name and out of his name like maybe thinking about okay well um would it be okay if he did that to me
02:12:53Ayra Blakeand like I can do the same thing like yelling at people like burning their stuff like is that okay if they do it to me like just kind of like asking ourselves like how we can move forward
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02:13:27Brian Atlashey uh the Pagan thank you man appreciate your TTS thank you so much for your patronage man well put uh really quick on the whole like don't lead people on thing like this is again just going back to my confusion here so
02:13:39Brian Atlaswould it be leading a woman on if I told her I want longterm I'm desires a marriage want a long-term relationship but then I she gets the commitment she
02:13:49Brian Atlasgets the commitment but then she like nobody's obliged to stay with somebody really for any reason but if we're dating for 6 months and then like out of
02:13:59Brian Atlasthe blue she just like starts I can't even calls me a [ __ ] or I'm trying to think of an extreme example murders my family is it leading her on if I break
02:14:12Brian Atlasup with her after she's gone and murdered my entire family even though I told her I wanted a long-term relationship so I guess my thing is it's not leading a girl on to say that you're
02:14:22Brian Atlasgoing to you want to date her but then she behaves in ways or does things that you don't like no more and I wouldn't a a woman could break up with this isn't like a double standard thing a woman can
02:14:35Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)break up with a guy because he's being lazy or whatever the reasons are that you don't want to dat there something you can be let on if you're an adult you're making a decision to be somewhere with someone I'm saying in that situation like trying to just play
02:14:47Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)Devil's Advocate but you really can't be let on it's like yeah behaviors changes there's that people change people you kind of like grow either you grow
02:14:58Brian Atlastogether or you grow apart I don't think it's leading on and I think the other thing damn it totally just slip my mind uh oh what was the other
02:15:11Brian Atlasthing um oh so it was really good too it was going to blow all your mind but it just like just left my mind so if it comes
02:15:20Brian Atlasback to me later um I guess I'll uh think about it the video the
02:15:28Brian Atlasvideo from The Daily Mail uh yeah we can actually let me pull up a couple chats first and then we'll all right we have Bucky Larson Lizzie can
02:15:40Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)you read this one my third cousin just sadly got divorced and he has two kids ladies would you sign a legal contract that said whoever ini iniates divorce is
02:15:52Brian Atlasentitled to nothing he has two kids ladies would you sign a legal contract that said whoever initiates divorce is entitled to nothing uh going around the table would you sign that contract whoever initiates the
02:16:03Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)divorce gets nothing um I think circumstantial so if I my husband told me to stay at home with the kids and I stayed at home and then divorced probably not so it depends
02:16:15Ayra Blakeon what type of marriage or what situation we were going into uh if we are both working yes I would sign it mhm [Music]
02:16:24Ayra Blakeum I think I think so I think I would sign it only because if I'm prepared to leave the relationship the marriage I
02:16:36Ayra Blakehave to know at the back of my mind that could be losing everything so that's why I would I agree with Jess um well I would just like to say
02:16:47Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)Council not cancel and I would just say like over time heart changes so if someone falls out of love it's not really their fault it's like I wouldn't sign that no I wouldn't sign that at all well you wouldn't sign it because if
02:17:00Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)someone wants to divorce me because they're no longer in love with me is that necessarily their fault like the heart changes over time relationships are work though like that's something that you have to continue to work on over years like every day is not 100% working if it's not working we're
02:17:13Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)working on it working on it it's not working what are we going to do to sit in Hell together like no I just think when you get married to someone that's something that you you're committing to them for the rest of your life and you're going to work through the ups and downs and it's going to be hard marriage
02:17:25Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)isn't easy yeah I'm not saying to give up easily but I'm not going to stay in something that I know is not working even if we try we go to counseling we do this like I see marriages that are not healthy for the children right so you're fine with divorce I mean I don't like
02:17:38Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)divorce but I'm not I don't want to sit with someone I'm not happy with okay but the so the question is whoever initiates divorce is entitled to nothing nothing yeah I wouldn't sign that I would so you you are entitled you feel entitled to something and divorce if we both have kids then yeah we need to take care care
02:17:50Brian Atlasof our children like split the house split whatever we need to split but I don't think even if you're the bread winner so like let's say you're out earning your husband I'm sorry if you were out earning your your husband and he wanted to divorce you you're you're
02:18:02Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)fine like paying him alimony child support Etc I mean if that's what it came to yeah if I could afford that yeah of course what about you um I agree with her I think I mean I also agree with um her as well I think it's situational
02:18:14Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)just depending what about you I agree with them like it's situational yeah uh what do you mean sit situational like overall just being prepared and if both of us are working does that make sense I think she said
02:18:27Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)something similar like that yeah yeah yeah well the I mean it depends yes I would sign okay um I would because I think that if you're having
02:18:39Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)too many doubts about signing that you probably shouldn't be making a lifelong commitment to that person because a lot of people especially younger nowadays just go into marriage with the idea of like oh well you know if it doesn't work
02:18:51Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)out I can get divorced that should not even be something you are thinking about at all sure when you're going into marrying someone I would sign it I agree with her well you got to just restate
02:19:07Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)because I would only sign it depending on the circumstance so like if what's the circumstance if we were both working I would sign it however if I was a
02:19:18Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)stay-at-home mom and let's say he cheated I don't give that chance and I think that I wouldn't sign it if he betrayed our marriage yeah so I think the the
02:19:29Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)original like 50/50 was because of families right but now a lot of people aren't having families anymore but women are still able to take 50% so yeah I think that's kind of where the issue is but you should talk about this if you're
02:19:41Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)going to get married to someone and see do you want to have a family what does that look like are we both going to work do you want me to stay at home you know and that's and that's why you shouldn't get married as a guy I think I don't
02:19:53Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)think you should get married don't get married who's going to take care of you when you're old my long-term monogamous girlfriend what if she dies before you I guess what does
02:20:04Brian Atlasthat have to do well yeah that that could be the same thing here let me let me so who thinks who objects to my don't get married
02:20:13Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)position them too what about you objections no I think marriage too many people just do it because just to do it I think marriage is something people should think about as far as like
02:20:26Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)lifestyle beliefs family all those stuff it's it's not just it's not just uh the next step in a relationship and I think that's why divorce is so high I sacred
02:20:36Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)to me it's sacred and that's why for me when I get married if I get married then it's safer no it's sacred so for me vows are sacred like you said relationships are work I I put my Allin my
02:20:49Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)relationships letter on the marriage where when I'm married I don't I don't believe in divorces I we're we're working this out we're figuring it out one way or another we're a team so we'll
02:20:58Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)figure it out so I don't know yeah you say that now no i' i' I stick it through it's I'm I'm one of those through very the good and the bad I will stand by you and I've done that in relationship so I
02:21:11Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)know as a wife I will stand by you no matter what but it does take two so I can't save a relationship by myself um so it has I mean not to poke too much here but you said your longest
02:21:23Brian Atlasrelationship was three years three and a half years you're 40 I mean you haven't really I'm not poking at your age but um I mean that's
02:21:34Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)a you have not had like a substantially long-term relationship well I was celibate for about 5 years that I didn't want to um in between those two relationships yeah these were these were
02:21:47Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)to me serious relationships where I tried yeah sure three is decent but I me it's not like super long you know well it's pretty long for me but again it wasn't on my end we tried and it I gave
02:21:59Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)it my all and the person wasn't ready to give me what I wanted sure now uh I think you guys had maybe some disagreements on the marriage stuff yeah I originally when I mess that was one of
02:22:12Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)the questions that I'd answered and I said I I was like oh that's so sad that you don't want to get married however I listened to one of your podcasts and I can't remember exactly what you had said um but just kind of you saying I'm not
02:22:24Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)super religious so I can't even stand on the whole you know I'm religious and I think that's why people should get married but I do think for me personally you're going into it 100% it's divorce
02:22:35Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)isn't an option so for me that's kind of like that last like seal but no different than like a prenup or something like that too so I I agree I understand why you don't want to get
02:22:45Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)married just because people I think it's more disposable for a lot of people than some so and I can't remember exactly what you said in your podcast or in one of the shows as to why you couldn't
02:22:58Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)didn't want to get marri if I remember correctly I think that he said something along the lines of even if you have a prenup there's a good chance that it could get thrown out and she could still
02:23:09Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)take like half of everything that he has so which I understand that if you're not religious um and you know it doesn't hold a lot of value to you then don't get married well I mean there's a whole
02:23:21Brian Atlasbunch I have a lot of uh justifications for my anti-marriage stance I actually don't object to it for the for people
02:23:30Brian Atlaswho are religious but from my own for my own self um outside of religious reasons to get married I actually don't really
02:23:39Brian Atlassee any reason to get married but I'm open to uh hearing any challenges to my position I think you two raised your hands in objection I'd like to hear Let say you have a long-term girlfriend
02:23:51Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)who's loyal to you and she's pregnant I don't know if you have any children but if not that'll be your first child and she's asking you for commitment and security she wants security in the home she doesn't want to think that you'll leave her for another woman and get
02:24:03Brian Atlasanother woman pregnant and that's why she wants marriage what would you say to that what would I say to what to her proposal her proposal saying she wants get married because wow this is a really
02:24:15Brian Atlastraditional relationship where she's gets pregnant out of wedlock but okay we can have that conversation oh yeah it happens but I mean we're already not a traditional
02:24:25Brian Atlasarrangement to begin with so um what what will us being married achieve that oh so her I'm saying to you
02:24:35Brian Atlasshe how she benefits how do I benefit you need to sell if you want you need no no no this is this is the woman's perspective if you want to
02:24:45Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)convince me as a man to get married how do I stand to benefit okay if you're if we're together I'm assuming we're in love so if you love me and you love our future child I want a house together I want to build together a family I can
02:24:58Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)give you that without marriage I don't want you to leave me for another woman and get her pregnant and go and do the same thing with her that you're doing with me why why does marriage why does
02:25:09Brian Atlasmarriage why is it benting him why does why is marriage necessary even for that I mean I guess being the man of the house assume was your argument was your argument if if I love her enough I
02:25:21Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)should get married to her if she loves me enough she should stay with me despite my desires to not get married I mean what would you be why are you opposing why are you opposing marriage you don't want to be committed to me you don't want to give me the security that
02:25:34Brian AtlasI desire why can't I be committed to her outside of marriage cuz I don't believe you that's not Comm you don't believe me I don't believe that you won't divorce me so where then you guys should get
02:25:44Brian Atlasmarried it just sounds like okay so I can give you reasons I can present to you reasons why I'm not really for marriage I would actually like though to
02:25:55Brian Atlashear I think this is a good starting point can you com can you present to me compelling and convincing arguments why I or other men should get married um I think the first thing that came to mind
02:26:07Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)is that how serious a real man is so if you are a real man a real man who stands on his word you stand on your word you stand on what you do in life and you say hey you're the one I want and I want to live the rest of my life with you and I don't want need a marriage for that why
02:26:20Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)if you're saying that prove it show with by your actions you have the action to put my hand in wedlock as in a commitment a commitment is to severe
02:26:29Andrew Wilsonlike like I think that's totally marriage let me give you commitment is marriage a very quick easy rebuttal to this and I'm just curious uh okay so
02:26:42Andrew Wilsonyou're the one let's assume the man says you're the one that I want forever they think that you're great you're the greatest ever I want to only be with you for the rest of my life and I want want to commit to that will you commit to give him a prenup so that if you divorce
02:26:53Andrew Wilsonhim you get nothing is this a question yeah oh it sounds like a statement okay would you would you commit to a prenup so that you get nothing if there was a divorce I
02:27:05Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)already said no we're I don't agree with someone signing into marriage and not getting anything if you both put in work and you just leave the marriage with nothing I don't think that's fair well that's really that's really quite the strange argument then to say well wait I
02:27:16Andrew Wilsonexpect this lifetime commitment from you in order to Pro prove and demonstrate that you love me where's the demonstration of love from you what do you mean where is the demonstration I
02:27:27Andrew Wilsonwant you to you demr that you equally as serious by saying fine doing in life and if you if you ask a question you have to give me a second
02:27:38Andrew Wilsonto answer the question yeah I would sign the prenup yeah I know so anyway hang on calm down let me let me finish chill
02:27:45Andrew Wilsonout so if the argument is to say hey I need a commitment from a man so he only picks me okay that's it it's just me and that's his demonstration he loves me
02:27:58Andrew Wilsoncouldn't couldn't the man then equally say that the demonstration from the woman to show that she loves him is that there's any sort of INF infidelity cold bed or financial irresponsibility things
02:28:09Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)like this she leaves with nothing regardless of who initiates the divorce yes I agree because that's just showing like you're trying to say okay I'm going to be a real man to you but I want to make sure you have my back no matter if you change as a person you signing this
02:28:22Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)is showing me you're real that you would never do this so if you do do this then that's on you like if you do cheat on me if you do not take care of your money if you do not take care of my kids do not take care of me as your husband then yeah that's on her as a wife then why
02:28:33Andrew Wilsonwould there be a requirement of marriage at all because that's that's commitment that's that's but you you make those same commitments there's now no safeguards so if you made the commitment external to marriage how is that not the
02:28:45Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)exact same thing making commitment in marriage it's a Sac it's holy matrimony saying okay we're dating is the same thing as us being married how is that the same you're taking the vow it's not
02:28:56Andrew Wilsonabout it's not about the money Mar money if you ask a question you have to let me answer it calm down okay so the question
02:29:06Andrew Wilsonwhich was asked is how is this the same we're talking about commitment so if if you are dating you say I want to commit to you for life I but I just don't want to do the marriage thing and if we do do the marriage thing there's not going to
02:29:19Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)be any protections for you anyway cuz you agreee to sign them all way so what would be the distinction exactly it's like comparing a baby mama to a wife or like this is my wife and this is my kid
02:29:31Andrew Wilsonor this is my baby mama and we live together is that the same is that the same I I don't I don't see why you couldn't have a commitment with a woman because it's okay okay listen listen yes
02:29:43Andrew Wilsonlogically this can be the exact same it would logically be the exact same to say I'm married to you or I'm committing to you for life and you have the same exact outcome both ways how's that not the
02:29:54Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)same thing it's absolutely not the same thing because vow it's a holy matrimony if you don't take your word seriously as a man hey I would love to I want to be with you the rest of my life holy in first religious no no no it doesn't have
02:30:06Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)talking about a secular argument then it's not holy if it's if it's secular it can't be hly is Holy because you're actually taking a home and putting your protection over for your life and your death after you die you still that's
02:30:17Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)your wife if you die that was your wife in this life and holy absent religion it doesn't have to do with to religion that's what we're talking about is secular marriage we're not talking about Rel and everything into this person the
02:30:29Andrew Wilsonproblem is you're arguing against arguments I'm not making so we're talking specifically about secular we're talking about specifically secular marriage secular you know what the word secular means please inform me you don't
02:30:42Andrew Wilsonknow what it means do you you don't actually means tell me what take an estimated guess I can take an estimated guess but I just said please inform okay then take an estimated guess as you put
02:30:52Andrew Wilsonit it' be an educated guess but you can take an estimated guess what is your estimated guess about what secular means one like to be in one secular like
02:31:03Brian Atlasspecific specifi specific I don't know I don't know erroneous erroneous I got to take a break after that one okay I'll take over I'll take
02:31:14Brian Atlasover here for a sec do you want kids hold on so okay secular that would be like a religious not religious oh I've never heard that that ter you guys got to speak into the mics
02:31:27Andrew Wilsonyou're too far away sorry never heard of the term but thank you for educating me yeah you've never heard the term secular not in that in this tense no okay um so and any well what what tense have you
02:31:38Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)heard sec in no tense no tense no tense okay you got it you got it okay this was your first win thank you okay so so secular just means non-religious okay
02:31:49Andrew Wilsonnot specific it means non-religious I did say that nonspecific I did say that was my estimated guess well yeah being in a marriage I feel like not non specific that it doesn't mean
02:32:02Brian Atlasmarried okay thank you for the clear it's not the same like it's just not uh okay it's not the same I guess um isn't it's just okay so I've yet to hear
02:32:13Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)an actual compelling argument why I should get married do you want kids I think kids is a big thing sure yeah I want seven kids all right if you want seven kids who what's the last name for
02:32:25Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)the children the girlfriend or yours and would it bother you since she's the one carrying them if she just said well I want them to have the same last name as me and now you did not share the same last name as your children I think
02:32:36Brian Atlasthat's a a good reason too you can why would that why would that be a requirement of marriage I'll I'll just reell it myself so okay first off you don't need to be married in order for
02:32:48Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)your children to take your your last name but what about the girlfriend yeah do then she gets excluded now she doesn't share the same last name as her own children mhm mhm what does that have
02:32:59Brian Atlasto do with anything why would the kids take your last name instead of the your girlfriend what so what's your argument here if I don't marry her she won't put well that's what I'm saying so if you
02:33:10Brian Atlasdon't marry and okay cool then then you know what we can we can go 50/50 on everything and we can and she can um she can protect us in the event of a home Invasion fine that's cool uh yes you can
02:33:23Andrew Wilsonput the father's last name on the birth certificate even if you're not married you know comp choose the last name is what I'm saying so if you if you were to say we're in a committed relationship
02:33:36Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)and I want the children before we have them to uh have my last name and you agree to it why would that require marriage no that's true if you agree to it if you agree to it that's if you agree to it but you're you're the thing
02:33:48Brian Atlasis is like what she saying is these questions Mar even if we're [ __ ] married she can still say she doesn't want my name so that's a [ __ ] argument [ __ ] toaster brain argument
02:34:01Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)even if we're married she can say I want hyphenation I want them to have my last name this is why it's important I think if you are going to get married that's why I don't think marriage is for everyone but if you are going to get married you should talk about these but it's not a compelling argument it may
02:34:13Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)not be for you but I know if I had kids it would really bother me if they didn't share the same last name as me and I also don't believe in hyphenating name so I took my husband's last name so if I'm pregnant with your child and you don't want to get married to me I'm
02:34:25Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)going just leave and go to the next with your child and my a major L for you but no it's like I want to find someone that's going to build a family with me she going get you're not putting a ring on it you're not putting a ring on it like beyon I said so let's what's the point of me and you being together
02:34:38Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)you're just leading me on you're just giving me a fantasy of a home like oh I'm playing wife and husband tring you guys going to fight you guys break up there's no okay we're broken up this is still
02:34:50Brian Atlasyou still fail to make a compelling reason why I ought to get married get married which just like like if you want your this is all from the female Viewpoint me me me me me me me me me I have not heard a compelling reason why I
02:35:03Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)as a man should get married you said you want someone take care of you said that I literally never even said that I said said who's going to take care of you you're like oh my mon question girlfriend or something that was a
02:35:15Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)question posed To Me by somebody else I never said that in fact I'll even engage with that I don't need marriage to have that what's your next point I have one point that I feel like if you can debunk it if you if you like but if you like
02:35:28Brian Atlaslove someone like you truly love them to the bottom of your heart and you want to be with them for the rest of your life why do you not want to marry her why doesn't she if she really loves me not want to do some [ __ ] government thing which which involves the state in
02:35:41Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)our relation doesn't have to be the it doesn't have to be government it could be something sacred like going to a temple or just going to Hawaii and having some that's why the example is I relationship is regardless sacred that's
02:35:52Andrew Wilsonwhy the example is non-religious what he's saying is nonreligious marriage yes he's granting yeah he's right yeah if it's non religious sure that's a that's a great reason to do it but if you're
02:36:04Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)not religious what would the actual compelling argument be there's none it's literally for tax benefits yeah no so he's right yeah you don't have to get married if you don't have that spiritual
02:36:13Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)faith that this is something important so if there is no religious or spiritual backing to the marriage and he is absolutely right men shouldn't get married if that's they they don't have that spiritual even just men it's men or
02:36:25Brian Atlaswomen like like I like how saying I don't who well hold on if the man's the bread winner women have absolutely everything to gain by getting married well yeah I mean if you want
02:36:36Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)the celebrity wom share men are overwhelmingly Breadwinners in relationships I mean I'm all for the I'm all for the gender roles sorry when it comes this generation there's more well
02:36:48Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)that's because women are a lot more masculine and feminism has [ __ ] that up so that's a whole different story like I when I get married the reason why like you were saying the age thing I don't I don't want to settle I'd rather be single and be happy than settle for
02:37:00Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)something I don't want I want a true protector and provider because I will play my role as the as the wife to be the peace to be the nurturer to take care of the home take care of the kids and if I can't have that then I don't
02:37:12Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)want that like same thing with that goes I don't need to the society is not going to put a thing on me that you need to be married you need to have kids no I don't need to do any of that if it's with the right person and I get everything that I want 100% I will be all for it if not
02:37:26Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)I'm happy taking care of myself providing for myself if you're not adding value to it if you're not a protector and provider then I'm going to continue to protect and provide for myself why do I need a man a man has a
02:37:35TTS donationstrue killer of seral donated $200 up killer What attitude do you bring to the relationship that is not selfish in context perhaps your boyfriend feels
02:37:46Brian Atlasdetached from the idea based on a rocky past is he are you afraid to break it off why yo Kaleb serial thank you man appreciate it really good to see you in the chat man you are He's a brave and a
02:37:57Brian Atlasdecent man he's a Pioneer What attitude do you bring to the relationship that is not selfish wait is this who's this directed to perhaps you're boyfriend I think maybe girls in
02:38:08Brian Atlasgeneral uh Killa of Sy What attitude do you bring to the relationship perhaps your boyfriend feels detached from the idea based on a rocky past is here is he or you afraid to break it off why
02:38:19Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)maybe this previous conversation when we had with the breakup anyone can break up the marriage but I want to ask you something after you were done speaking I'm ready oh um so with his point like
02:38:31Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)cuz I was saying marriage should be like holy and sacred like that has to do with um non-religious or that has to do with religious or a spiritual belief of something higher but he was saying no I'm talking about as in just
02:38:44Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)non-religious nothing to do with spirituality just a woman and a man I don't want to get married do you believe that he is he is like accurate in that standpoint like of him saying that there's no reason for women and men to
02:38:55Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)get married I me if there's no religious or spiritual really there as far as when it go some Financial benefits there really isn't any for the man to do that because a man yeah it's they are the
02:39:08Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)protector and the providers yeah right so they have to they have to take care of the whole family so it's like really there isn't a benefit yes have someone to take care of you be your peace be your nurturer you can have all those with the relationship I think the
02:39:20Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)security of the marriage comes in that hey we are taking a vow yes relationships you can recommit to yourself like I was saying what is it Goldie hon and is a Kurt wrestle they've been together for 20 years they' they've never got married they just choose to be
02:39:33Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)together every year and you can have that too so I feel like it's I don't know I with me I just don't believe in divorces so for me if I'm going to get married it's all in I want everything I
02:39:44Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)have and we're going to put in the work so if not then I'm not really in the rush or thing about marriage either I mean so with the with that whole thing though women reserve the right at any
02:39:55Brian Atlasmoment to change their mind so let me ask you guys a question do you think a divorce would be justified if the woman was just vaguely unhappy so the guy
02:40:07Brian Atlastreats her well provides for the wife and the kids isn't abusive in any way maybe he's just boring she's unhappy she's just vaguely unhappy he's not
02:40:17Brian Atlasabusive he actually treats her perfectly but she's vaguely unhappy is that enough justification for her to get a divorce no change perspective okay that's plent
02:40:27Brian Atlasthat's plenty of PL very often that's precisely the reason for women wanting to get the divorce there's no evidence of any abuse
02:40:38Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)whatsoever the woman is just vaguely unhappy well see and needs to find herself yeah but see I feel like it's the same thing men can change their minds as well like in the the relationship that I was he was the one that kept changing his mind and coming
02:40:50Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)back it's like making the permanent decisions on temporary emotions it's like you can't do that anyone can change their mind at any time but it's it's I think the marriage is is more of the security where yeah you can walk away from the marriage a
02:41:03Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)lot um at any time as well but there's a lot more to lose so you're more committed into working it out as opposed to relationship because if you walk away from a relationship you're not really
02:41:13Brian Atlaslosing much you are obviously it giv the woman or the bread winner well it gives the woman massive leverage to basically bully the man around in the relationship
02:41:24Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)yeah but I mean necessarily yes necessarily if you have children like to stay together like and to raise the kids together and make like a happy home even if you necessarily aren't happy that takes a lot of strength and courage and
02:41:37Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)to grow old together like you guys are old and taking care of one another I don't necessarily think that old people love each other like the first day they got married Like Love Changes over time it's like the maturity having that
02:41:49Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)maturity and courage to stay and build that family because we're a family and we don't want to break why do I need a marriage for that because it's strength streng the family I truly believe that strengthens the family A did we just
02:42:00Andrew Wilsonhear the who hurt you [ __ ] did I just hear the who hurt you [ __ ] who hurt you Bri did you hurt you uh well by the way killer
02:42:11Brian Atlaskiller killer of cereal can you shoot me a DM uh on Instagram cuz I didn't want to I I know you sent in a TTS don't want to skip over it I just perhaps could you provide a bit more clarification feel
02:42:22Brian Atlasfree to DM at whatever on Instagram I'll be on the lookout for it uh I don't know if we've dm' before just bump up our messages but I don't want to just skip over it so if you can provide is this
02:42:33Ayra Blakedirected at somebody specific Killa anyways uh yeah I still uh yeah just don't uh think you should not get married like if that's not what you want for yourself then you should get
02:42:45Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)everything that you do want for yourself like we should not convince you like you should want to convince I just don't think you will truly be happy with your life if you don't get married it's a part of Happiness tell me
02:42:59Brian Atlasokay here's here's a different question here hold on here's here's a different question what what do I get in a marriage that I can't get from a long-term monogamous relationship the
02:43:10Brian Atlassecurity commment what security I would actually security security mean in a marriage like no but I could just I could just make the argument I could make the argument that simply by virtue
02:43:21Brian Atlasof me getting married I've now introduced an incentive to the woman let's say I'm I mean unless a woman's making a lot of
02:43:30Brian Atlasmoney I'm probably going to be out earning earning her significantly so by marrying her I've now introduced an incentive where if she does divorce me
02:43:41Brian Atlasand we've been married for a long enough period of time she gets a financial payment for divorcing me whereas if she breaks up with me and we're in a
02:43:51Ayra Blakerelationship then she actually has a loss on her end so are you scared of relationship not scared of relationship at all or are you scared of divorce are you
02:44:02Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)scared of losing or divorce he's right it's just a more honorable thing like I said that was my main point was being a real man that was my first point it's more honorable I don't know how your
02:44:14Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)relationship I don't know how your Rel one time one at a time I don't think I don't know how your relationships like if you're dating someone does she move in with you does she live with you I don't even know but in a marriage that's if you're dating someone they shouldn't just automatically move in with you and
02:44:27Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)live with you 24/7 I feel like that's just too fast but when you're married you take that step like okay let's live together and let's build a family let's have kids let's I'll cook for you breakfast lunch and dinner whatever I can get all of that you can without
02:44:39Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)marriage but it's not marriage I wouldn't say it's fulfilling it's not there's no feeling it's just not there not the highest you could go let's say there's a mountain right and you know everyone knows the mountain is the high
02:44:51Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)the point of the M the tip of the mountain is the highest point everybody knows marriage is the highest form of commitment Am I Wrong is marriage yes or no is marriage the highest form of commitment I could think of higher forms
02:45:02Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)of from a from a sex perspective no I'm sorry he from a secular perspective no how what is okay so what is the highest form of commitment in a secular perspective it would just be whatever
02:45:14Andrew Wilsontwo human beings agreed it was so if you said okay well can I get my answer out before you sp again so anyway um yes if
02:45:25Andrew Wilsontwo secularists agreed that they were committed to each other and that they were the highest form they could ever be how could you ever demonstrate that they weren't CU I just don't truly believe
02:45:37Andrew Wilsonthat you will feel secure secure with your she she will feel secure your argument is cuz I feel oh I feel like you're wrong oh well so then as long as we just feel then guess it's
02:45:49TTS donationsokay right you feel like that I feel like you're donated $200 thank you kill question for panel if we get married tomorrow what will you bring to the marriage that will make it very hard for
02:46:00Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)any man to want to have divorce on the mind what are you willing to sacrifice we'll go around the table on this go ahead um so my thing's a little bit weird but I give my husband and I've
02:46:12Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)done this for 5 years every single night without skipping a night but I give him a foot massage every night before bed and then give him a back massage every night I make drinks for him I mean I I basically cater to everything he needs
02:46:24Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)cuz he is the red winner and my job is to basically distress him because he's always stressed MH so that's it what you're providing is very good I will
02:46:34Ayra Blakegrant you that but you don't need marriage to have it so go ahead oh Lord okay um I would bring definitely a spiritual bond to the table I feel like
02:46:46Ayra BlakeI wouldn't even be that far in a situation with somebody if they didn't have Traditional Values or or a spiritual relationship with whatever it is it doesn't have to be what I'm spiritual with so I feel like what I
02:46:59Ayra Blakewould bring to the table would definitely be being able to communicate with them where they can't with others being able to talk to them where they can't with others and opening up where
02:47:09Ayra Blakethey can't with others I want it to be something that like makes us special and makes us seek a higher form and I think that that's something you can't just do
02:47:20Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)with everybody else well that you I mean as f as said in marriage I think I in every relationship a man needs peace and being his peace and being the nurturer and taking care of whatever he is especially if he's a he's a bread Runner
02:47:33Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)then it's everything else is on me it's like how can I provide for you provide that peace and give to you if you doing all the heavy lifting so um yeah have
02:47:44TTS donationsthe Home Food Devon Jackson donated $200 see you man thank you enough of the shaming language he's not scared he's not insecure it's simply more beneficial to him to get the benefits of a wife
02:47:57Brian Atlaswithout the risk of divorce in a secular context it's not that deep it's not that deep Bro Yoon good to see you man thank you I I don't even I don't even know like um if if you're asking him to stay
02:48:09Andrew Wilsonon a tight rope that he's walking across and if he falls off he's going to fall into a pit of spikes uh I would be pretty insecure right I'd be pretty scared and insecure you ladies in the
02:48:19TTS donationscorner seem to only want the marriage as a status symbol again where is the benefit of marriage for Brian okay like I said in the beginning obviously J Gerald is kind of slow I kind what's up
02:48:31Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)Gerald hey don't don't you dare talk poorly okay Gerald okay I'm sorry Gerald but rude I'm sorry I just have to say that the beginning point was excuse me
02:48:43Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)if you don't have uh God in your life you don't believe in a higher form a higher power then yeah don't get married do you have God in your life yes absolutely are you Christian or I'm I'm
02:48:53Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)Muslim all right okay Alum cool cool yeah yeah so there's no point and I said that I was like you're right I did say that wait I'm just curious in your faith
02:49:02Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)are you a practicing Muslim yeah yes I am really yes you want to ask me the prayer times or what wait I one question one question the thing with it if you want to bring
02:49:16Forever Untamed (Iranian woman, 40)Islam then that's a slippery SL because you can talk about you can talk about how they have multiple wives talk about all these things talk about it you guys would but so you're fine if like your husband has
02:49:27Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)multiple in the yes it's four you're correct but in the Quran it's uh you have to the woman has to be okay with being open to another sister wife if she is not okay she has to write it in her
02:49:37Brian Atlasmarriage contract I do not want him to marry again me woman in Islam the woman has a right who has to be submissive to her husband has right there's right in has to give gives her husband permission
02:49:49Brian Atlasso if the husband before marriage hold on if if it's the husband's will and desire to have multiple wives but the woman's like I don't really want that get married it's her call yeah yeah then they don't get married because if in
02:50:02Jess/Summer/Sarah/Janara/Sam/Naomi/Liz (mixed)order for a man to marry Four Women they have to one treat them all equally if I buy her a Lamborghini I have to buy her a Lamborghini too if I buy her a house I have to buy her a house I'm not an expert in there has to be equality even if he does not love them the same okay
02:50:14Andrew Wilsonso if in the marriage contract uhuh yeah but that's up to means too so if you cannot afford four four wives you cannot marry four wives but it's up to means when it comes to their material Goods well they all have to have they all have to be