Armpit Hair Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson?! She HATES Brian?! Snitch OR Cheat?! | Dating Talk #199
Date: 2024-09-25
Duration: 6h 57m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_04Heather(guest)
SPEAKER_06Jordan(guest)
SPEAKER_09Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_12Leah(guest)
SPEAKER_13Jwes(guest)
SPEAKER_14Nia(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:09
IntroKayla introduces herself: 22yo, Seattle, hairstylist/DJ/OF creator.
“my name is Kayla I'm 22 and I do only fans but I also am a hair stylist and I DJ and host events”
00:06:14
IntroJwes introduces herself: 21yo, San Luis Obispo, OF/server.
“my name is Jwes I'm 21 I'm from San Louis abiso and my occupation is firstly only fans and then I am a server”
00:08:12
IntroHeather introduces herself: 19yo, near Forks WA, OF/painter.
“I'm Heather and I'm 19 and I'm like living near Seattle and I do only fans and I like paint skateboard decks”
00:08:44
IntroLeah introduces herself: 23yo, Santa Rosa CA, bikini barista/OF.
“hi my name is Leah I'm 23 I'm a bikini barista and I also do only fans”
00:09:15
IntroNia introduces herself: 23yo, Santa Barbara, OF/modeling.
“my name is Nia I'm 23 I do only fans and modeling”
00:09:37
IntroJordan introduces herself: 26yo, gym owner/trainer.
“hi again Jordan 26 I own a gym and I'm a trainer”
00:10:12
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: 40yo, The Crucible.
“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm 40 I own the Channel The Crucible I'm a political analyst political satirist”
01:01:38
QuoteLeah discloses she experienced intimate abuse starting at age 1.5; perpetrator went to jail.
“it was abuse intimately from different people my life starting at a year and a half they went to jail”
01:23:25
QuoteKayla reveals father kicked her out one week before turning 18, dropped her at a park with a backpack.
“he just dropped me off in a park with a backpack”
01:32:35
QuoteKayla reveals father duct-taped her arms behind back and put her in garage as a 10-year-old.
“he literally take my mouth shut take my arms off my back take me to a chair and put me in the garage for the night”
01:44:00
QuoteJwes compares her one encounter with the micropenis man to 'what it feels like to be with a girl'.
“I've never been with a girl but I'm going to assume that's what it feels like”
01:55:10
QuoteLeah reveals she makes over $10K/month on OnlyFans and has ~$50K saved.
“over 10K a month”
02:05:03
QuoteSelf-ratings round begins. Heather rates herself 8.
“eight all right what about you can't pick seven”
02:30:57
QuoteHeather reveals she has been almost kidnapped 3 times; describes one OF-related van incident.
“I've almost been kidnapped three different times”
02:31:15
QuoteHeather describes meeting a sugar date who spent $5K to get a date, arrived with a van and 4 people who tried to pull her in. A cop was nearby.
“he like yanked me and a cop pulled up and intervened before anyone else could jump out”
03:39:40
Key MomentAndrew presses panel: would you advise your future child NOT to do sex work? All guests eventually say yes it would be better if they didn't, but Kayla says she would let them if they wanted to.
“if you dropped the only fans off tomorrow”
04:44:05
ControversyHeather leaves the set briefly during assault statistics debate ('I'm getting frustrated'), returns ~5 minutes later.
“is it like a rage quit yeah why ra I guess it is”
04:59:10
QuoteNia reveals father is a traditional provider who is completely okay with her OnlyFans.
“my dad knows what only fans is he knows that's what I do”
05:20:00
Key MomentAndrew uses 'mandroid' thought experiment: if you could program your perfect man, what height would you enter? All women pick taller than themselves, demonstrating universal beauty preferences.
“you're on the computer you're ordering your mandroid”
05:31:10
ControversyAndrew walks off briefly during pronoun/non-binary debate (opportunity for smoke break per co-hosts).
“he's rage quitting all right double rage quit”
Topics Discussed
00:03:09
Guest Introductions & Background
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Relationship status round. Kayla: 22, Seattle, hairstylist/OF/DJ. Jwes: 21, SLO, OF/server. Heather: 19, near Forks WA, OF. Leah: 23, Santa Rosa, bikini barista/OF. Nia: 23, Santa Barbara, OF/model. Jordan: 26, Riverside, gym owner (recurring). Andrew: 40, married. Jake: 28, single. Brian: 35, single.
00:26:00
Nia's Relationship History & Anime Porn Addiction
Nia's 5-year relationship ended partly due to ex's hentai/anime porn addiction causing dead bedroom. Discussion of whether anime porn is more or less threatening than human porn. Jwes's micropenis situationship story; man claimed her to his friends despite no real relationship.
00:32:00
Kayla's Arrest History & Father Conflict
Kayla discusses 6 arrests: underage drinking at school, vandalism of father's house, DV with ex (ex spit on her, she retaliated, she was arrested). Father kicked her out at 17, one week before 18th birthday. Reveals duct-tape restraint/garage punishment as a child. Debate about parental accountability vs. teen responsibility.
01:30:00
OnlyFans — Motivations, Family Reactions, and Morality
Extended panel debate on OnlyFans as a career choice. Kayla talks about trying to quit during cosmetology school. Leah explains her OF business model (LLC, contractors, $10K+/mo). Andrew presses guests on whether they'd advise their future children to do sex work. Discussion of fatherlessness and sex work correlation. Brian asks guests if they would stop OF entirely at show's end — all decline.
01:38:20
Parenting, Discipline, and Fear of Consequences
Discussion about whether children should fear their parents. Andrew (masculine approach: consequences) vs. panel (feminine approach: love and communication). Leah reveals childhood intimate abuse. Kayla reveals childhood restraint and garage punishment. Jordan describes healthy balance of strict father + nurturing mother. Jake describes being whooped as a first-generation Asian-American and crediting it.
02:05:03
Self-Ratings and Aging Discussion
Panel rates their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Heather: 8. Jwes: 6. Leah: 5-6. Next: 8. Jake: 6. Andrew: 4/5. Jordan (returning): 9. Discussion of whether each guest will be better looking in 10, 20, 30 years. Leah says she plans to still look good at 53 and 'get fat' by 60 intentionally. Andrew uses 'mandroid' thought experiment to probe whether beauty standards are universal.
02:53:20
Traditional vs. Non-Traditional Gender Roles
Brian asks why non-traditional women still expect traditional treatment from men (providers, chivalry). Discussion of boyfriends as providers. Nia says her provider dad taught her to expect that. Debate on inconsistency: women in sex work demanding traditional male behavior. Sugar dating discussed: Leah charged $500-$1K/hr for dates; cut off recently. Heather says $1K/hr was fair.
03:06:55
Kayla's Twitter & Music Industry Sexism
Kayla's tweet 'I wish I was born a man sometimes' prompts discussion. Claims music industry men offer to teach women DJing as pretext for sex. Brian challenges whether she has evidence of sexism vs. opportunism. Andrew: of course men with ulterior motives lie about teaching you — that's separate from systemic sexism.
03:55:00
Who Would You Trust More: Men or Women?
Andrew asks panel: if forced to choose one person to tell you the truth, would you pick a random man or woman? Most guests say man — more blunt, less likely to spare feelings. Jordan: men have been more upfront with her. Leah: women have been more threatening in her life. Andrew uses this to pivot: why don't you listen to men who tell you OF is a bad idea?
04:10:00
Man vs. Bear Hypothetical
Panel asked whether they'd rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the forest. Heather: bear. Jwes: bear. Kayla and others: varied. Heather rage quit briefly after assault statistics exchange. Discussion of men's assault reporting rates and why women don't advocate for male SA victims.
04:55:20
Snitch or Cheat Hypothetical
Brian poses: would you snitch on your closest male friend to police, or cheat on your partner? Brian: would cheat (no intention to ever marry). Andrew: would snitch rather than cheat. Jake: would snitch. Live poll: 66% say snitch, 34% say cheat. Escalating versions: close friend → brother → father → son. Andrew: son would be the threshold where he'd cheat on wife.
05:07:30
Can You Be Racist Toward White People / Sexist Toward Men?
Panel asked: can you be racist toward white people? Heather (white): yes, technically, but it doesn't hurt her feelings. Can you be sexist toward men? All say yes. Do we need men? Discussion — men needed biologically; otherwise optional per some guests.
06:00:25
Dating App Review — Heather's Profile
Brian reviews Heather's Tinder profile on stream. Her photos include a spot near a sewer/creek she calls 'the woods'. Panel debates whether it counts as 'woods'. Profile bio: 'open to exploring, I don't want children, bad texter, Sagittarius'.
06:37:00
Andrew Wilson vs. Parker Dean Challenge
TTS mentions Parker Dean challenge. Andrew confirms Parker refuses 1v1 debate; will only do 2v2 or group debate. Andrew calls him out on air: 'come on the Whatever podcast 1v1, you won't do it.'
Transcript
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01:52:16
Andrew Wilsonright it's like what you say but what I've noticed with the let's just call it the female machine right the female machine seems to operate on feel bad for me feel sympathy for me nothing I've ever done I need to be accountable hang
01:52:28
Andrew Wilsonon let me finish and then you can respond right feel bad for me uh nothing's my fault I've never done anything wrong all of this I have an excuse for look here's my excuse let me pinpoint this excuse this is what I hear
01:52:40
Andrew Wilsonkind of time and time and time again it's really interesting so I would just asked this out all of you who are here who are making pornographic content right is is is this really just like my you know dad he's he's a
01:52:53
Kaylapiece of and I'm going to go show my vagina on the internet to teach him a lesson is that like is that what it's about no I tried to not do it for like a
01:53:01
Kaylayear while I was in school and it was really hard doing um what was it like 40 hours a week of school 10 hour days and
01:53:12
Kaylathen uh two days of the week doing 8 hours so I had one day off a week and then I'd be falling asleep in school and like that's not good when I'm cutting hair it's not just studying like I'm dying people's hair and cutting people's
01:53:25
Andrew Wilsonhair I don't want to I don't want to mess that up so then I finally went back on only fans and then I mean sure but you're hardly the only person who's ever gone through cosmetology school this is not a rough school to go through right my wife's a cosmetologist it's not a
01:53:38
Andrew Wilsonit's not a hard thing to go through it's not like it's not like this Master Level difficulty of just you know school did she somehow somehow she was able to get all the way through Cosmetology School while taking care of her grandmother uh
01:53:50
Andrew Wilsonwell I'm not going to name the school because I'm not going to dox any of that but um but yeah she went she went through Cosmetology School while taking care of uh somebody who was invalid in her family she never had to sell her
01:54:02
Andrew Wilsonvagina online right these things are not necessary prerequisites in other words like you being tired in school you working 40 hours a week like okay yeah that's normal that's normal right most
01:54:13
Kaylapeople don't revert to selling nudes of themselves because I already did sell them so I was like well they're already sure out there so why don't I just go back that I understand I understand the
01:54:24
Kaylamotivation of money I want money and then it gives me the free time to put my time and effort into things that I actually want to do like he get clients
01:54:34
Kaylado hair I'll throw events I DJ and make music like I all like and I paint like I do a lot of things but I just want to
01:54:46
Andrew Wilsonhave the free time to put my time into things that I want to use to grow my like future I don't know so so then so then the question just becomes is it because you
01:54:58
Andrew Wilsondo these things because you want to or is it because you do these things because of some trauma like which is it I do it because I want the free time cuz you want to
01:55:09
Andrew Wilsonyeah yeah so then then I'm not off base here when I say okay when we come to the responsibility of the action the actual action you say okay that's on me but then immediately point to these like
01:55:22
Andrew Wilsonother other things and say but these bad things happen to me well that's the sympathy Drive portion I'm not sure exactly though how it's related to this thing of I want
01:55:33
Kaylathough isn't like when you have issues like growing up with your dad like psychologically that makes you later on in life like act like this I don't isn't that like I mean
01:55:45
Andrew Wilsonthere could it's possible it's a correlator it's possible that none of those issues Happ you on only fans anyway I don't know that's why I'm asking you I'm asking you is it because you want to do this or is it because you felt like
01:55:56
Kaylayou were you know that's my question well I started doing it because I wanted to get an apartment and not sleep in my car and since I already started doing it
01:56:05
Kaylasince then like just keep doing it okay all right cuz like if I stop now it's like then they can just find pictures on
01:56:17
Heatherand still find it you know might as well keep making money off of it yeah I mean that's kind it's kind of a vicious trap though right until I can I figure out she can invest into like a business with
01:56:30
Heatherthe money she makes right now and then she can stop forever but some people don't get blessed you know how many uh you know how many women who are former former corn stars and on only fans who
01:56:41
Andrew Wilsonactually go and invest in a business and are able to bank on that business it's well not me though I have like a Roth IRA and all of that and
01:56:51
Andrew WilsonFactory workers have Roth IRA you know what I mean it doesn't it doesn't mean that um but if I'm working minimum wage at a barber shop I'm not going to have the extra money to put into a Roth iray like the max that you can yeah cosmetologist can make a significant
01:57:05
Kaylaamount of money if they're very good at their job2 $300,000 a year is not something they can't do they rent a chair but that'll take about like a at least five years to start you have to establish yourself it's better when for Roth IR to invest early as as much money
01:57:17
Andrew Wilsonas you can as early as you can yeah I know but here's the thing Easy Money easy money come easy money as they say that's why most people who win the lottery are broke within a couple of years you see it a lot with uh NFL
01:57:28
Jakefootballers and NBA basketballers as well they spend all their money they acquire a certain lifestyle and then when the money stops coming when the gravy train stops their lifestyle is the
01:57:38
Andrew Wilsonsame and then eventually gets to a point where you're just broke yeah well I know but then they're broke with naked pictures of them out there just like you know what I mean it just it
01:57:49
Andrew Wilsonnever seems like it's a good tradeoff I mean I guess I my nudes leaked when I was like a minor so like yeah we stay we'll still clear that that topic I
01:57:59
Andrew Wilsonunderstand yeah I understand that but it's you got to think of it like um like compound interest right it's like the more you do a thing the the more that thing's going to be out in the ethos like let's say I ever only did one
01:58:11
Andrew Wilsondebate online my entire life right that's buried in a couple of months nobody ever remembers it right um nobody's ever going to give a again right but let's just say now I compound
01:58:22
Andrew Wilsonit and I do a thousand debates in a year okay well now this is something that the internet's going to remember this type of so it compounds what I'm saying it's like the earlier you stop the behavior the better it is and it also escalates
01:58:35
Jakeyeah yeah because as your lifestyle continues to increase if you make more money you're going to have to do more things online to support that lifestyle so it escalates I guess but it
01:58:45
Kaylaalways inevitably escalates I mean all the money right now I've been like putting into
01:58:52
TTS Readerlike I have a good DJ okay Kristen ated $200 LOL she became an online prostitute and ruined her future so that she could
01:59:03
TTS Readermax out the $7,000 annual contribution in her off you can't make this stuff up this home math is ridiculous home math that's new well it's a it's an attribute
01:59:15
Andrew Wilsonto a Creator very very smart creator online who calls himself hou and what he does is he breaks down the econ OMC models of relationships only fans uh these types of careers and
01:59:27
Andrew Wilsonshows people mathematically and logically where these things lead very very very smart guy that's what the the attribute is to that's what well that's what he's
01:59:37
Jakeyeah yeah so um so when you talk about your um business um aspirations with DJing what else was it um I like paint
01:59:48
Jakeand stuff to hair how do you intend on using the money that you've made from o to create a like a sustainable business we actually throw shows like every month
01:59:59
KaylaI just threw a show in New York and that went really good what kind of show like just we get a lineup of DJs and stuff and set up the lights and choose the theme are you a a bit partner in it or
02:00:11
Kaylado you ear it uh it's me and my my uh friend that do it together and what kind of a profit do you see from a night well we just started it and it's done pretty good um I don't no off the top of my head but usually are you man what are
02:00:24
Kaylayou what's your job what are you are you managing the finances are you managing the tickets are you managing the she does that part she loves doing like the math and the email and your job I do like the creative Direction and like cuz we do photo shoots to like promote it
02:00:36
Jakeand stuff so are you coordinating the DJs or yeah yeah and what kind of a venue are you are you hiring what's the what's the capacity of the venues um
02:00:45
Kaylaright now I think the biggest one we did was like 300 how many how many events have you
02:00:55
Jakedone I would have to look on like the Instagram at least over five over five yeah right so how much is a ticket um we have like early bird tickets that are
02:01:06
Jakelike $10 and then if you get them the day of it's like 20 something right so $20 um 300 tickets it's like $600 $66,000 something like that yeah so
02:01:17
Jake$6,000 in a night then you'd have to pay all the DJs you'd have to pay all of the uh marketing fees all of this sort of thing get do you get a return from the I'm I'm assuming that you don't hire the
02:01:29
Jakevenue the the venue just makes money off the bar or or do you have to hire a it depends from bar to bar or like from each venue like it's different right is could that be a sustainable thing that you could do full-time yeah I think so
02:01:40
Jakeyou know like what Boiler Room is yeah how many how many events would you have to do per month we try to do like once a month so once a month $6,000 let's say takeway
02:01:52
Kaylagenerously leaving you with $3,000 a month between two of you and then tax yeah and then usually we try to cuz we're small right now we're trying to just we put it back into the next show M so then it'll keep going if you did it
02:02:06
Jakeonce a week it could be something we're trying to do it more you yeah yeah yay good for
02:02:18
Jakeyou sounds like a half decent business model if you and eventually want to own a club well you you'd have to build up for a few years do that 5 years of work that we were talking about before yeah cons
02:02:30
Brian Atlasconsistent events make a name for yourself big social media presence and then you buy buy your Club all right not sure what I missed there but uh talking about business or
02:02:42
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Brian Atlasthank you thank you so much all right so why don't we go to Stiffler Stiffler sent in the chat ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven going around the table
02:05:03
Heatherstarting with you go ahead eight all right what about you can't pick seven these two girls are so pretty I'm putting myself at six okay all right what about you I'd say like a five or a
02:05:17
Brian Atlassix realistically I'd say an eight I'd say say a seven but you can't you can't pick seven oh eight okay uh she's gone uh
02:05:29
Brian AtlasJake what about you a big fat six Andrew four I give myself a five uh so what's Jordan's been on the show a
02:05:40
Brian Atlaswhole bunch of times I think she does she say 10 Maddie do you remember she should say 10 she is a 10 bro well maybe I can ask her when she's back and then really quick on this do you guys think
02:05:51
Brian Atlasyou'll be better looking in 10 years time starting with you better looking in 10 years time2 so you're 22 now will you be better looking at
02:06:00
Brian Atlas32 um I don't think so okay what about you yes so you're 21 you'll be better looking at 31 what about uh 20 years at
02:06:09
Heather41 no okay so better looking at 31 but uh okay you're 19 better looking at 29 dude it can only go up from here I have such a baby face unless it gets more baby face
02:06:22
Heatherwhich I think is hopefully impossible it's I'm going to end up looking like an adult and that's going to look great and I'm going to be like a Gil for sure oh period no I'm mil no not a not a mil not
02:06:34
Heathera mil I may be a mil that's not what matters it's easy to be a mil it's hard to be a gilf though oh yeah that's my dream bro I want to just be like I want to be an old lady and I want to be
02:06:45
Heatherliving in a mansion wearing all pink surrounded by my dogs have you ever seen little rosals yeah bro you have the character froggy yeah dude I love that movie you remind me of fry most of my
02:06:56
Brian Atlaspersonality is made out of that movie I'm not I I'll take it I'll take it that's a good movie brutality uh what about 20 years so at 39 better looking then yeah 49 59 I don't think I'm going
02:07:09
Heatherto start decreasing when does if I make it to 109 I don't think I'm going to be looking that great then you were about to say you don't think you're going to start decreasing in looks until around like
02:07:20
Heathermaybe like 70 or 80 my grandma is beautiful dude my grandma's so pretty and she's almost 80 stop it she get some help I don't know I I don't think that I'm going to be like drop dead gorgeous
02:07:32
Heatherbut like I'm not going to look bad really you didn't think that maybe you would decrease in attractiveness at 80 well I mean I don't think that younger people are going to find me attractive
02:07:41
Jakebut beauty is like subjective for sure is it I'd say so do you think overall beauty is subjective on a universal scale
02:07:52
Heathernot do you think that there's an average you think some people aage thereally there is totally a global average I just personally don't toide by it so if there's a global average does that indicate towards some sort of
02:08:03
Andrew Wilsonobjectivity in in Beauty I mean probably I I I mean I don't know I'm just well like here I want my grandma here's an easy way to
02:08:14
Andrew Wilsonlook at it from um from a beauty standard from male to female or female to male does every woman here prefer taller guys stop it if you had to choose equalize the personalities are exactly
02:08:27
Andrew Wilsonthe same make the same amount of money right same I guess facial features these types of things but one 6'3 and the other one well you know he's a 5'1 that doesn't bother me what would
02:08:39
Leahthe preference be would the preference be 6'3 is he nice to me though everything's the same except for yeah except for the height I don't think I would mind either way cuz what would you prefer though
02:08:52
Heathertaller I guess you can tell the you can tell the truth I mean I guess taller I don't know probably tall how short how short are we five one okay yeah that's not that bad big short K that's a really hard question actually y'all are
02:09:04
Leahstumping me I mean it's hard for me because I don't mind out way like my last situationship was like literally like 51 5 I'm not saying that you couldn't be attracted to men who are 51 oh I just mean like for I'm just saying
02:09:15
Andrew Wilsonthat if it's all equalized it's all equalized the traits across the board I totally agree Man 5 I'm just saying if you could pick between the two the 6'3 if the personality is the same I mean I
02:09:29
Jakewouldn't no cuz I mean for me the preference isn't really with height it's personality so but they're all the same yeah they're the same you just get to choose the height little buffet breakfast yeah I feel like in that situation i' choose it's an Android okay
02:09:40
Andrew Wilsonso okay so it's an Android right you get to you get like program your perfect man mandroid right you're at the computer and you're programming the perfect mandroid okay and he's going to be your lifelong companion right he's
02:09:53
Andrew Wilsongoing to be and you get to plug in the personality and everything else right you get to plug in all the traits that you love and he get to height yeah what do you plug in I I'm ordering it online yeah yeah
02:10:05
Andrew Wilsonyou're ordering it online what are we plugging in for height I would say
02:10:12
Andrew Wilsonlike dude I really don't know it's your mandroid it's your mandroid you this is bol's gate this is you get
02:10:21
Leahto it's D and D you get to pick what you want um okay I guess my height or taller to 53 that's not an option you have to put you have to put a number on it you got to put a
02:10:33
Andrew Wilsonshorter than you or taller than you I'll would just say like 63 six okay right and and how tall are you it's a big mandroid I know that's a big mandroid
02:10:42
Heatherokay so perfect mandroid height 64 6'4 perfect mandroid height like six foot okay perfect mandroid height I mean I guess I can't I can't really tell the height difference okay okay hang on hang
02:10:55
Andrew Wilsonon here's it here it is here it is here you're on the computer you're ordering your mandroid right you get the first pick of mandroid so you get to type in whatever you want blonde hair blueeyed right red head whatever the
02:11:07
Andrew Wilsonyou want right you can type in all the parameters for personality right you can type in how many times he brings you roses per day you type in everything got you gotta you get down to the Heights and you type in what I would probably
02:11:20
Heatherwrite I guess six foot since that's like such a that's such a normal thing but I feel like that would be too tall for me I don't like people so what would you type in just tell me what you type in
02:11:29
Andrew Wilsonokay like what's 5 six 5 S and how tall are you I'm 5'4 5'5 okay so so universally then at least here at this table right now we can't extrapolate
02:11:41
Andrew Wilsonanything from this right cuz it's just a really small sample size but isn't it awful interesting that well beauty standards are not Universal but when you can Pi pick the height of the man Droid
02:11:53
Andrew Wilsonit's way taller than you put you had a woman Droid if you had to pick a height oh man okay ready here here's woman Droid right she's way shorter than me
02:12:02
Andrew Wilsonshe's um way I mean she's way way shorter than me giant boobs blonde hair blueeyed right all that stuff you're yanking on my chain right now that's not for real you don't actually think that
02:12:13
Andrew Wilsonreally yeah are you describing your wife okay I was hoping no I mean yeah I was I think I think I think she'd be even shorter than my wife oh my go right on
02:12:24
Andrew Wilsonthe woman Droid you're picking the perfect woman Droid oh wa oh my god did this guy did he not kiss his wife's ass I can't believe do you think do you
02:12:35
Andrew Wilsonthink like do you think that that my that my wife is so stupid that she's not objective enough to understand that you can have all sorts of like externalized preferences about people that you'd like
02:12:47
Andrew Wilsonright even if you yourself aren't with the person who has the those things it doesn't mean you don't have to lie and be like oh oh I prefer that you have burn scars all over your face
02:12:59
Andrew Wilsonlike you don't have to lie about that this the dumbest thing I ever heard but people kind of pretend they're like no I I would prefer a multiple burn victims like what some people into that
02:13:10
Andrew Wilsonyeah maybe but but I think that they would mostly not be telling the truth right they'd be coping because they didn't want to hurt somebody's feelings right like if my wife had the mandroid right maybe she'd be like I don't like 6
02:13:21
Andrew Wilsonfoot I like 63 right does that mean anything does that mean somehow that um um that because I don't have the attribute of 6.3 that in some way I'm a lesser husband it's just it's just silly
02:13:33
Andrew Wilsonright but for some reason for women you didn't kiss the wife's ass my God and it's like it's just silly I promise I was kidding yeah I know but just just the rebuttal Jordan uh we were asking
02:13:45
Brian Atlasthe 1 to 10 question what do you wrate your looks on scale of 1 to 10 a nine there you go baby girl didn't you used to say 10 no I never said 10 said 10 I've never said 10 she not that Del and then we're going around the
02:13:57
Brian Atlastable on better looking in 10 years time I don't think we got your answer I think I'd look pretty good in 10 years okay and you're 23 currently correct yeah uh so you'll be better looking at 33 yeah and then 20 years what about 43 I think
02:14:10
Brian AtlasI still look good I think hot people hot people I think old people are hot will you be uh but at at 43 will you be better looking than you are now at 20 or
02:14:21
Leahlike depends old or I like old people man um don't tell my man this no I'm kidding but like I don't know I have no issue with older people at all and I feel like when I look old answer the
02:14:32
Brian Atlasquestion so will you be better looking at 43 than you are now at 23 yeah okay 53 30 years yeah 63 no so you Peak I'm going to get that after that you're
02:14:45
Leahgoing to be get fat that's my goal to get fat yes I'm going to literally Peak at 60 wait what do you mean get fat what do you mean by get fat my like I'm just
02:14:56
Brian AtlasG to eat whatever the I want I'm going to become a little bit lazy and you think before then you'll be in really good shape oh yeah yeah
02:15:04
Brian Atlasyeah okay so better looking 53 in fat he said than 23 and in your current physique okay all right thank you uh going to
02:15:16
Brian Atlasyou uh you're 23 better looking in 10 years time yes at 33 Okay better looking in 20 years time 43 no okay and then better
02:15:28
Brian Atlaslooking uh 26 better looking at 36 in 10 years time no all right you guys heard of Aging you guys know about it this aging thing you know
02:15:40
Andrew Wilsonyou tend to age do people un get better looking or Worse looking as they well I mean I mean that all depends on like how they take care of them themselves y but there's
02:15:51
Andrew Wilsonlike the the I guess the hang on hang on which one of you said that you would be as good-look at 56 as you are right now was it you me would you so then would you date a 56y old yeah yeah yeah
02:16:05
Jakeyou'd be in a long-term relationship with him I would get married to them if they treated me right and everything go they would die so much so what about if he was totally broke toally broke what about if he's broke and he's got no much
02:16:16
Jakegoing for him assuming that he treats me well and he loves me and everything like that and let's equalize everything he treats you well he loves you it's just kisses every last three relationships
02:16:26
Leahand then last three relationships how old dating or situationships the the actual ones where you were having physical intimacy with the individual
02:16:37
Leahthey're kind of um my ex is 29 uhuh um my current boyfriend is 26 turning 27 soon um my last situationship was also
02:16:47
Andrew Wilson26 okay so we're not even anywhere near the like 50 I mean it's interesting because I would think I would think yeah that being able to date as a young woman 56 year old men would be super simple it
02:17:01
Andrew Wilsonwould be you'd be able to get if you want you could get one if you wanted to I don't know yeah they're probably the guys yeah what about if you perhaps the guys that are sending you money right that you don't want to hurt their
02:17:13
Jakefeelings right that's actually not if you do equalize everything and you say 56 versus 26 they're both the same they just treat like princess right which one would you take I would choose the
02:17:24
Leahyounger one only because I'd have more years with my partner right that's the only reason no they're going to die they're going to die at the exact same amount of years oh and you're really good at hypotheticals really good at hypotheticals you're going to die the
02:17:37
Leahexact same amount of years doesn't matter you're only going to get 20 years with each of them nice profile pict really depend on what they look like some gray foxes are really like but like just that just on average it would just
02:17:48
Andrew Wilsonbe an average pick average I think I do tend to stick to people a little bit closer to my age only because family and stuff but somehow you're going to be way hotter 56 right but when you when there's a sample selection for
02:18:00
Leahyou to pick from little on the younger side only because of the societal views on that and how people would view me with a man who's a societal view that's your preference yourself true lots of younger women date 56y old guys true I
02:18:14
Heatheralmost did Heather going back to your notes you said you disagree on their opinions on a lot of things things yeah like what I just couldn't really think of anything like in that moment cuz I'm bad at like
02:18:26
Heatherthinking of things specifically on the spot I just kind of like hear something and then I'm like side eyeing it and stuff but like I don't know I just think that everyone's different we're all
02:18:37
Heathergoing to die do what makes you happy as long as you're not hurting anybody why should it matter to other people what you're doing you know and in relation to
02:18:45
Heatherwhat just like my job and like my dating life M you know and like what you guys do and stuff it's it literally doesn't matter no like everything is so uncertain other than death and so it's
02:18:58
Heatherlike might as well get as rich as I can in this messed up economy and World start a business this is like pism I I don't I don't know I'm also an
02:19:10
Heatheruneducated like Middle School Dropout so I don't think that like you know like I don't think my opinion means very much at all to anyone but myself and that's totally fine I just know get we
02:19:21
Andrew Wilsonball I'm living a happy life and that's all that matters you know sorry I live in my Liv my best life right I I am I am Liv my best life I literally am I
02:19:33
Heatherdid so well for myself I mean I didn't like originally but I was kind of handed a a bad hand in life so like I did great with what I was given I think so I totally could have
02:19:44
Heatherdone better but I'm not like I can admit I'm not the brightest bulb in the pack like I'm like I would not I if like tried harder when I was younger it like would backfire on me so I just gave up
02:19:56
Heathertoo soon and like now getting back into it and like trying how trying hard backfire on you um well I was never very intelligent in school so I was in like different classes and stuff I was in I
02:20:09
Heatherwas in the classes as well yeah yeah I was in those classes and stuff so I already felt like I was like weird and then no one told me otherwise so like I was very like sad about that and I would
02:20:20
Heatherlike freak out during test classes yeah SP yeah I I I I knew what you I knew what you me but like I was I think that's yeah I don't know I just kind of didn't I didn't like school
02:20:32
HeatherI was very I was very we need to bring it back like strump stump and so I like thought I was stupid even though I'm not like I totally can achieve stuff and learn stuff honestly your story is kind of tragic it's kind of like tragic in
02:20:44
Heatherthe way I mean it's it's not tragic it's just like it's just like it's sad because if like it is if everyone is like motivating people around them like hey you think you're this way but maybe
02:20:55
Heatherif you tried a little harder you'd do better I was the only one telling myself that like I don't know I it was weird
02:21:05
Brian Atlasweird growing up H okay uh well I guess sort of piggybacking off I disagree on their opinions on a lot of things we already
02:21:15
Brian Atlaskind of tackled the like uh involvement in s work and uh that sort of thing uh and the potential impacts on dating but uh let me open it up to anybody else on the panel uh those of you who've seen
02:21:27
Brian Atlasthe show maybe you've seen a clip from me from Andrew from Jake over here uh any disagreements he's the worst any any disagreements you guys want to um
02:21:37
Brian Atlastackle I know you got you you're just dying to give us a something go off go off Queen
02:21:47
JwesKronosaurus um I don't know I oh my God I hate saying I don't know uh I don't you got it what you got I think you guys
02:21:56
Jwesare just mean mean okay we can we can go into that um wait am I is it me mostly well you're being really nice today I'll say that I'll say
02:22:06
Jwesthat today well last time I was on and I was mean that to but it was because oh yeah yeah that was a lot meow that was a lot I really want to see I
02:22:17
Brian Atlascan't believe I still oh boy wolf I remember you're pretty mean Jake what what were we mean about I was on that show so I must be the mean one Jake I was
02:22:28
Brian Atlasthere I tried to get Andrew I Andrew you imagine ifre I wasn't even on this show what the hell we were how did I get blame I
02:22:38
Kaylawasn't even there last time was remember I I was like were like why why do you do only fans and I was like because my mom's homeless and then you're like uh why don't you do something else and I
02:22:49
Jakesaid like what and you said sell sell drugs learn about crypto wait who said that I I don't think I said sell drug yes you did yes you did pull up the
02:22:59
Kaylacredit 1,000% I watched it and I was and I was like that's literally illegal like why would I do something illegal instead of just doing something legal if I did that would be pretty funny that is
02:23:11
Jakepretty funny like I swear to Bob that's crazy did you say you swear I think I swear at least you could get some like social credit you know yeah people would fear you it's far more
02:23:22
Brian Atlasrespectable yes gangs have good hierarchies sometimes yeah let's get arrested for the seventh time huh so okay we were um besides us being mean or whatever what what you got for us she
02:23:34
Jordansaid I'm the meanest I wasn't even there I literally wasn't I definitely think you're being the meanest today I think you are the meanest thank first second she wasn't
02:23:44
Andrew Wilsoncrying wait tonight do you mean tonight you're not oh today in I didn't cry I didn't shed the tear Kayla's tough she like how you doing and
02:23:54
Jordanthe woman starts crying and they're like it's your fault you bastard are you okay then I well that's why I just said something cuz I felt like the tear was going to come and I was like Mommy Mode right now sometimes you got to let it
02:24:05
Jwesoff we saw we saw you jumping in jumping in for The Sisterhood well I feel like uh compared to most men around in my life I I respect you guys for the like compared to any other guy I'm around
02:24:18
Jweswell it's because I live in San louiso around college boys what do you mean you respect us more like I I respect you how are they like and how are we like well I respect you guys because you guys agree with me that it's not right that a guy
02:24:29
Brian Atlascan claim me amongst his friends oh my wait really quick just you two since the mic's absolutely both your this way of that guy is
02:24:40
Andrew Wilsonunbelievable never dated him yeah you should totally be let your chick just bang your bad buddies if she wants to like obviously if you're not a I was not
02:24:49
Brian Atlashis you yeah well really yeah all right uh so was there
02:24:59
Brian Atlasmore on what I don't know you said you respect us more than you respect all the guys that are in your friend group or I don't know what it was no not friend group oh okay you respect them more okay
02:25:12
Jakeyeah um yeah I don't know I'm just I'm hearing you guys out and I respect it okay sure uh does anybody else have a challenge you on any other disagreements
02:25:24
Jwesdisagreements I talk way better with people I'm close with and I can I can argue really well but the anxiety is real right now so I'm I'm trying my best okay all right Nia what you got did I
02:25:37
Brian Atlassay your name right yeah M okay blame Brian it's his fault what you got for us um like about what you the way you guys are or no no just do you have any any
02:25:47
Leahtopics you want to want to hit on or disagreement or anything like that um not that I can think of right now no okay what about you anything for you um originally yes but then I just kept
02:26:00
Leahwatching more podcast and I realized sorry and I realized it was the person not the career per se cuz originally I was kind of uncomfortable with
02:26:12
Leahthe how do I say it criticisms of sex work yeah but then I was like wait no it's literally the person because of how she's acting like she was I think her name was Gia or something like that Gia
02:26:23
Brian Atlasyeah she's been crazy disrespectful and I was like wait Andrew I think you were I just kept looking at probably it was like that short strumpet that was just being oh yeah you were definitely on
02:26:32
Brian Atlasthat panel just trolling or trying to troll yeah oh yeah I mean look I I tend to try to treat people well and but if I
02:26:41
Brian Atlasstart to detect a little uh trolling or disrespect coming my way then then I'll usually Spark far back a little bit too so um Jordan you have some stuff what
02:26:54
Jordanyou got what don't I don't you said you want please put me on with the Andrew oh because you what do you want to debate Andrew on no no no no I wasn't because I wanted to debate Andrew it's because I
02:27:04
Andrew Wilsonwanted to listen to him in person okay all right yeah okay um all right then you also got to look at him though that's the problem that's that is a
02:27:14
Andrew Wilsonpoint yep that's a very good point what do you mean poor gal offensive truth the problem that's the problem why I just keep my eyes locked this way
02:27:25
Brian Atlasto okay I'm confused he's ripping on me right he's calling me an ugly bastard which is fair oh check your DM I see he says uh thank you for the Nigerian
02:27:37
Brian AtlasNigerian 99,900 I don't know the currency trying to donate on streamlabs not working please check the M message one message thank you man yeah it's probably it's probably not much uh thank you that man
02:27:50
Brian Atlasappreciate it Jay's been ripping on me last two you're mean Jay I tried to run him over in my car yesterday and he got so scared and you missed yeah I know next time quicker than I look quicker than I
02:28:01
Brian Atlaslook uh okay we have we have baby is that you that's you your first boyfriend in high school was
02:28:11
Brian Atlasan MMA fighter and in his sleep he would karate CH me out of the bed that's not even you or or do what what put me in arm bars
02:28:22
Leahwhile you while he was asleep while he was sleeping and he had no idea no idea and one time he's probably having dreams about fighting huh yeah yeah cuz you would do it every day like six seven days a week it's very interesting
02:28:35
Jakebecause it takes some technique to put you in an armar he would have to mount you first and then he would have to swing around and put you in an armar she's just too nice to wake him up and say babe you're H you should learn you
02:28:47
Jakeshould have learned how to defend an Nar um actually Pres Jitsu for like a year so why couldn't you get out of the am well you were sleeping right need to do more I would just be asleep and then I'd wake up and I'd be like what the and honestly learn a bit of boxing and
02:28:59
Brian Atlasyou can take the karate chop it's nothing you know just Parry hit him back I was that good you said uh the only thing I disagree with is the way the hosts refer to S workers in negative
02:29:10
Brian Atlaslight at times uh but I mean we kind of kind of already just talked about that um okay I think that's I mean I refer to it in a negative light she probably
02:29:21
Andrew Wilsonenjoed to be honest like always no matter what I refer to it in a negative light but that doesn't mean I think that doesn't mean I think the person has no value means I think that the occupation
02:29:34
Brian Atlasis valueless Nia you said that you think boyfriends sh should be providers in relationships yes and then just show of
02:29:45
Brian Atlashands girls at the table do you agree with her should boyfriends be providers in relationship shs depends on their age though cuz like
02:29:55
Brian Atlasyou can't expect if you're 18 dating someone 18 20 uh Nea you're 23 yeah she's 23 you think 23 is that fair age
02:30:04
Kaylato by that point maybe not expect to be completely provided for but like pay for dates some yeah pay for a lot of things good idea what do we mean by provider
02:30:15
Brian Atlashere like what do you mean by that wait no no no what do you mean when you said maybe not pay for everything but by 23 pay for more than just dates right yeah like maybe help them out with bills or
02:30:27
Brian Atlaslike their nails done and all that St Nails nail nails it's a kind gesture pay for a woman wa okay so I want to explore this a little bit uh
02:30:37
Niashould boyfriends should pay uh be providers right should girlfriends not be
02:30:47
Niaprostitutes yes well if I like I said I do only fans if I was with someone providing well okay here I'll
02:30:56
Brian Atlasmake it simpler should girlfriends not be involved in sex work of any kind this is such a big difference hold on I do
02:31:06
Niaagree yes and if I was with someone providing I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing you'd quit yes isn't that a vicious circle though like if you say a boyfriend should provide for for
02:31:20
Andrew Wilsonme but a boyfriend should not provide for a sex worker but I'm a sex worker then that leads to boyfriend should not provide for me right like what right now I'm providing for myself and that's the way I'm providing yeah okay well then
02:31:32
Nialet's take it to the next step should a boyfriend provide for a woman who was a sex worker I don't see anything wrong with it if he's dating me he knows what I was doing so he's going to be okay with it he's just going to Chin it hey he's
02:31:45
Andrew Wilsongoing to you can't start dating someone that you know is fan so so here's so here here our circle now the circle is no yes boyfriend should provide um unless it's a sex worker right I'm a sex
02:31:58
Andrew Wilsonworker therefore boyfriend should not provide for me but if I stop being a sex worker then boyfriend should provide right that seems very like a very very bad plan right it's like it's saying
02:32:10
Andrew Wilsonit's saying inside your own belief structure that a boy should not provide for you right you don't think so at least not right now but when you decide to stop and allow a boy to provide for you that he should look past the thing that they shouldn't provide for you
02:32:23
Niaright now that you're doing well like I said it's what I'm doing to provide for myself at the moment right that's my way of providing
02:32:34
Niaand like for example my last relationship he was okay with what I was doing like um the next partner I date they're going to know obviously what I'm doing totally understand all of that I agree with you that your next partner
02:32:47
Andrew Wilsonhas to know talking to me and stuff they're going to know like tot said so they're obviously going to be okay with it yeah yeah I agree that they would even be okay with it but that doesn't actually do anything about this inconsistency so I agree that your next
02:33:00
Andrew Wilsonboyfriend definitely is going to be okay with it your next boyfriend's definitely going to know right otherwise he's not going to be with you he wouldn't be your boyfriend right that wouldn't make any sense but what is the reason that a boy should not be with you if you are
02:33:12
Andrew Wilsoncurrently a sex worker versus if you're formerly one wait sorry what is the quality here about being a sex worker that you think
02:33:23
Niaa boyfriend should not fund um I'm just saying me like if they didn't like it like if they if the
02:33:34
Andrew Wilsonconversation came up and they're like oh like would you quit I would okay so so you're not actually saying that that boyfriend shouldn't fund their women's Lifestyles if they're
02:33:46
Niasex workers you're just saying it's okay if they don't it's okay but I'm just saying that's what I prefer and that's what I
02:33:58
Andrew Wilsonbelieve yeah yeah no I I think I get it you're saying you're not saying that they should you're just saying you're just saying if they if they choose to that's okay if they choose not to fund
02:34:09
Andrew Wilsonme because I'm a sex worker that's okay yes but I I would leave yeah no I understand right I understand I'm just saying it's not that they should or shouldn't then it's just if they don't
02:34:21
Niamind is really what you mean there's not really a should or shouldn't because well right I'm talking about myself yeah for yourself I think they should they should yeah and if they
02:34:34
Jwesdon't then you're not going to be with them exactly yeah right got it um well what about maybe the fact that we're we live in a new generation and times are changing and a majority there are a lot
02:34:45
Andrew Wilsonof women out here who have only fans sure and what about I was actually interestingly enough I saw a um I saw now I haven't dove into this right so this could be completely wrong right
02:34:59
Andrew Wilsonbecause I haven't open into it but it wouldn't surprise me MH um that it could be as high as 1 in 20 um of the Zoomer women will end up doing sex work of some type in their lifetime is the projection
02:35:10
Andrew Wilsonnow I could be way off on that and fact check me for sure right cuz I don't know for sure but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case right so I'm going to concede that ground right away to you okay and then yeah exactly how would you
02:35:21
Jwesfeel if like you you found a boyfriend and you guys are together and then he starts treating you really really well and then he ask you like will you delete your only fans for me and you go of course I will because you guys are on
02:35:33
Jwesunderstanding he's treating you right you're treating him right I will delete my only fans for you how do you guys feel about that I'm going to explain I'm I'm not going to mince any words if it was my son let's say came to me and said
02:35:44
Andrew Wilsondad I love this woman she's great she treats me amazing okay and I just adore her she engages in sex work I'd say kick her to the curve get rid of her absolutely not under no circumstances should you
02:35:56
Andrew Wilsonever be with a woman like that way too good for her in every conceivable way don't do it what would actually be the objection to that yeah well would you disown him
02:36:09
Andrew Wilsonwould you I'm not sure that I'm not sure that I would disown I would disown him it wouldn't be immoral if she quit sex work for him to you marry her or or this type of thing I wouldn't make a moral
02:36:21
Andrew Wilsonclaim that he was doing something morally wrong my advice to him though yeah would be absolutely under no circumstances should you do this you know what I mean and uh it's a really bad idea and uh you can find somebody
02:36:34
Jwesway better than that that would be my advice yeah there's nothing wrong with that for sure yeah I think that that's totally fair I I kind of believe that that's a narcissistic point of view but why is it narcissistic because like I
02:36:46
Jwessaid times let's let's get our terms right what is a narcissist um a man who
02:36:53
Andrew Wilsonjust a man a man man a man ter who is just delusional honestly a man who is delusional n you don't think it's
02:37:04
Jwesdelusional for a sex worker to expect that she's going to get Prince Charming I don't I personally don't ever expect to find Prince Charming I've kind of accepted that I will beone because of
02:37:17
Andrew Wilsondecis I don't understand what would the delusion here be as a narcissist no what would the delusion here be by telling your son not to date a sex worker under any circumstances even if you loved her if that's your opinion as a father I don't think that's delusional then why
02:37:29
Jweswould it be narcissistic I didn't say that that was narcissistic well then what's the narcissistic part okay bring it back when when did I say the narcissism what were you just
02:37:42
Andrew Wilsonwhat were you talking about when I said that you shouldn't if I I said I would tell my son under no circumstances should you date a sex worker ever perod period you said that sounds narcissistic mhm what about that's narcissistic if
02:37:55
Jwesnarcissism means delusional okay and I will say again because I think that times are changing and I think that you guys need to like broaden your horizon sure sure I get all that but what about this is
02:38:06
Andrew Wilsonnarcissism uh you it sounds like you guys are wanting to own a woman yeah but what about that would be narcissism because you can't own a woman a woman's going to be able still have free will I'm sorry there's places in the world
02:38:19
Andrew Wilsonwhere people clearly own women right and that's but it's not delusional that is delusional no they clearly own them there's no delusion there that's up maybe it's up and I agree with you it's up
02:38:31
Andrew Wilsonbut it's not delusional that is delusional what's the delusion do you agree that they own the woman delusional that's evil it's evil yes it's evil it's wrong it's immoral but it's not
02:38:42
Andrew Wilsondelusional delusional is it's an untruth it's a it's not true listen very carefully listen you're not listening listen it feels like delusional yeah but you're not because you're not listening right you got to listen to what's
02:38:54
Andrew Wilsonactually being said listen to the don't tell me I'm not listening when I am but going oh okay you're listening human beings can't own each other and have never been able
02:39:04
Andrew Wilsonto he's not saying should hang on he's not saying should have they been able to sadly sadly they have right so so if I
02:39:14
Jwesacknowledge that that is true mhm isn't that the opposite of delusion but I'm saying that I think that it's delusional that that is a
02:39:24
Andrew Wilsonthing hang on hang on okay I'm not giving a moral prescription here and saying it's right I'm just saying that it happens MH so I still don't
02:39:35
Andrew Wilsonunderstand how it's delusional to acknowledge that there are people right now men right now who own women well I don't think it's delusional to to know
02:39:46
Jwesthat that they're delusional for owning women that's okay but how where's the delusion there they own the woman what's the
02:39:57
Andrew Wilsondelusion all of it it's what do you mean delusion yeah what does delusion mean here she's she it's a definition thing it's not yeah what do you mean by delusion delusion to me means not true
02:40:09
Andrew Wilsonyou're living something that's not true and you believe it is true okay okay then yeah I'm saying in the wrong way yeah yeah okay maybe they're crazy and it's immoral and it's
02:40:22
Andrew Wilsonnarciss delusion I'm trusion where's the delusion when I say when I say don't date a sex worker what's the delusion
02:40:33
Jweshere um like you have to I don't know what the delusion is okay then then I'm using I'm not using delusion in the right terms or
02:40:46
Andrew Wilsonnarcissism maybe narcissism so maybe we me and you can agree on other things right so maybe narcissism is I would say it's an antisocial Behavior which is extraordinarily rare okay like super duper rare and even people who diagnose
02:40:58
Andrew Wilsonit get it wrong often and claim that they get it wrong often right because it's the there's no specific criteria where you could you could meet all the criteria and still not be that thing so it's a very hard like diagnosis right
02:41:11
Andrew WilsonI've talked to various doctors medical professionals who've explained this multiple times to me on my program right it's very very difficult diagnosis so when people use the term narcissist I just want to know does that just mean
02:41:23
Jwesyou're an does is that what really what we're saying is like narcissist just means he's a no just like in my experience with dealing with a narcissist just some someone who
02:41:35
Jwesthinks that they can do whatever they want walk over women treat wom treat women however they want yeah but why is any of that narcissistic no empathy they don't feel empathy sure you can meet all
02:41:46
Andrew Wilsonthose criteria though you could be a person who chronically lies is very egotistical right uh believes that you're better than everybody around you and still not meet the criteria for being a narcissist what's a narcissist then like
02:41:58
Andrew Wilsonit's very difficult it's a very nebulous term just like most of these psychological diagnoses right psycho psychopathy for instance doesn't even exist it's not it doesn't even exist there's no such thing as a psychopath there's no actual diagnosis for a
02:42:10
Jwespsychopath anywhere in the DSM never has been well I'm just thinking of certain people in my life and it's just like you're telling me this then what are they are they just assh tenden well that's what I think I think that when
02:42:22
Andrew Wilsonwomen mean when they say narcissists they just mean just narcissistic Tendencies like yeah but what does that mean what so again this is it's such a nebulous term
02:42:33
Andrew Wilsonum that has so many different criteria which it can or can't be that I'm always very very skeptical when somebody says narcissist CU I'm not even really sure what it means okay doesn't it also mean like somebody with a fake ego like
02:42:46
Jordansomebody who like Hypes himself up and to the World they seem like this person on this moral High ground but they treat the people closest to them like crap could be all those could be criteria for that or you could meet all of those
02:42:58
Andrew Wilsoncriteria and still not be it that's the why I think it's nebulous same with a lot of these diagnoses same with a lot of these diagnoses so because of that I'm always very cautious about calling somebody a narcissist or a psychopath or
02:43:12
Andrew Wilsonyou know things like this I tend to use like lunatic but I use it as a like a broads scop term to just mean you're a weirdo right not as an actual like I've diagnosed you
02:43:22
Andrew Wilsonwith lunacy so so but back to this I don't think it's delusional to say to a say to a you know my son never date a sex worker no no no no or daughter right like never date a sex worker no matter
02:43:34
Andrew Wilsonwhat it's not delusional it's not delusional that no so there's no problem with me saying that right there's no like objection you would have to saying that but I think I think that that's the advice a lot of dads are going to give
02:43:45
Heathertheir kids yeah on any parent I'm sure would say that to their child yeah just like don't date a drug dealer like you know like it's just you're looking out you're looking outar fine as long as you don't drop them and say that you don't
02:43:57
Heatherlike your kid or like you like no longer want to associate with your kid just because they you know follow through with it you know what would be wrong with that yeah you like if your raised that kid yeah but if your kid if your
02:44:09
Heatherkid became a sex work that say you don't love your kid without saying you don't love your kid those are two different things disassociating from a child doesn't mean you don't love them you no I'm not saying no I'm saying like you physic you like tell them no I do not
02:44:21
Andrew Wilsonlike you anymore you are out of my life forever yeah you can exclude them from your life forever doesn't mean you don't love them well I'm saying they told you they don't love you yeah well that's different so if you just directly say to
02:44:33
Andrew Wilsonsomeone I don't love you yeah I think there's that's the only thing I would think that would make that situation I'll grant that distinction right I just don't think that that's what happens I think that parents tend to distance themselves from kids who do horrible things they don't want they don't want
02:44:45
Andrew Wilsonthat association with their family that seems fair to me yeah I don't know I just I I I just think bad news you're problem you're doing problematic things and I don't I don't I don't want the association with my family name right
02:44:57
Leahyeah that's totally fine seems reasonable that yeah I think it's reasonable to want the best for your child it's also important to consider that there are societal Norms in like the state you're in the state you're in
02:45:09
Leahthe continent Etc and every family has different Dynamics and different expectations for their children so it's like totally you know valid to not want your child if that's true then why would you ever say the universal word better
02:45:21
Andrew Wilsonlike it's okay to want what's better for your kid if that just means a ton of different things to a ton of different people right than what then I don't know what we're even talking about when we say better I would think that we would
02:45:33
Andrew Wilsonagree on on some things with better so here's maybe some Universal agreements for better that you and I can agree to I want my kid to be really healthy healthier than me do I say yes every
02:45:45
Andrew Wilsontime well I'm just asking you do you agree that that's better yes okay I want my kid to be able to make more money than I did I think
02:45:54
Andrew Wilsonthat's better yes okay I want my kid to have a um like a kind of a very unique standard in the world where they're able to pursue their dreams in accordance
02:46:06
Leahwith the morality of Christianity if that is your belief I respect it so yeah better that's your household these are all better right yeah when the kids so then so then so
02:46:17
Leahthen by this standard then what's worse right I think it depends on the paradigms within a family and what that family expects of their children like for example my mom has been supporting
02:46:30
Leahevery step of the way I actually asked her before I started I said hey this is really important to me I need your approval before I start this like what about your dad I don't have any access to him at all he wanted me aborted so he
02:46:41
Andrew Wilsonjust stopped contact so so fatherless home right yeah mhm mhm yeah I think that uh Chase used to say this a lot and he'd be on the program that he associated fatherlessness with sex work and I think that there's a lot of Truth to that
02:46:55
Andrew Wilsonbecause if you look at sex workers come from single mom families it's it's pretty overwhelmingly high right I think that generally speaking uh it seems to be the dads who put the kabash on that
02:47:05
Andrew Wilsonright they don't want their their daughters to uh engage in that like I think from from the perspective of a father it's like revolting to him right it's totally revolting yeah no I would hope so I don't want my dad to be
02:47:18
Heatherif but well I don't have a dad either he's in prison but um yeah there's a theme here tonight but like if if my dad were like all lot like happy and stuff about like my only fans I feel like I'd
02:47:30
Heatherbe very uncomfortable yeah that would be really weird I don't know my my grandma and grandpa they don't I don't know why is it less weird for your mom to be supportive though my mom's weird I think it's weird oh I think it's weird is that
02:47:42
Andrew WilsonI mean but but you see what I'm saying like why is it would it be less weird for the mom to be supportive than the dad to be supportive to me it's like equally it should be equally to don't tell me I don't want to know about it
02:47:56
Heatherand if other people talk to me about it I'd say why are you're weird for telling me that like I don't need to know that about my kid yeah like it's none of my business personally I just don't hurt yourself I feel like I'd be a little sad
02:48:07
Heatherif it was like like like I don't have any issue with porn stars but like well where I was going with your mental health I'm glad you brought this up where I was going with this is idea of
02:48:16
Andrew Wilsonbetter so this is my ultimate question do you think it's better if you have kids for them not to go into sex work is
02:48:24
Niathat better I'm yeah yeah better better better no I'm like thinking about it for real okay better better But if
02:48:36
Andrew Wilsonthey wanted to I wouldn't judge them then okay so you'd let them do something like what if you were the deciding vote if they're like I really want to do this mom and I think I'd be really good at it
02:48:47
Andrew Wilsonit's going to make me a lot of money okay and you were the deciding vote if you said on the one way go ahead and do it that would be the deciding factor for that kid and they would go ahead and do
02:48:59
Andrew Wilsonit versus if you said don't do it that's the deciding factor and they wouldn't which way would you fall I would let them do it if they wanted to so you would say go ahead
02:49:10
Niabecause I do it so why would I tell my kid they can't do it oh well that's true I smoke why wouldn't I tell my 5-year-old they can't smoke yeah but does that does that I mean does that make sense like am I going to choose if
02:49:22
Andrew Wilsonthey want am I going to tell my kid oh I want you to be a doctor you're going to be a doctor like no that's not you're going to no no no that's a there's a distinction here in the pursuance in the