Armpit Hair Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson?! She HATES Brian?! Snitch OR Cheat?! | Dating Talk #199
Date: 2024-09-25
Duration: 6h 57m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_04Heather(guest)
SPEAKER_06Jordan(guest)
SPEAKER_09Jake(guest)
SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_12Leah(guest)
SPEAKER_13Jwes(guest)
SPEAKER_14Nia(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:09
IntroKayla introduces herself: 22yo, Seattle, hairstylist/DJ/OF creator.
“my name is Kayla I'm 22 and I do only fans but I also am a hair stylist and I DJ and host events”
00:06:14
IntroJwes introduces herself: 21yo, San Luis Obispo, OF/server.
“my name is Jwes I'm 21 I'm from San Louis abiso and my occupation is firstly only fans and then I am a server”
00:08:12
IntroHeather introduces herself: 19yo, near Forks WA, OF/painter.
“I'm Heather and I'm 19 and I'm like living near Seattle and I do only fans and I like paint skateboard decks”
00:08:44
IntroLeah introduces herself: 23yo, Santa Rosa CA, bikini barista/OF.
“hi my name is Leah I'm 23 I'm a bikini barista and I also do only fans”
00:09:15
IntroNia introduces herself: 23yo, Santa Barbara, OF/modeling.
“my name is Nia I'm 23 I do only fans and modeling”
00:09:37
IntroJordan introduces herself: 26yo, gym owner/trainer.
“hi again Jordan 26 I own a gym and I'm a trainer”
00:10:12
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: 40yo, The Crucible.
“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm 40 I own the Channel The Crucible I'm a political analyst political satirist”
01:01:38
QuoteLeah discloses she experienced intimate abuse starting at age 1.5; perpetrator went to jail.
“it was abuse intimately from different people my life starting at a year and a half they went to jail”
01:23:25
QuoteKayla reveals father kicked her out one week before turning 18, dropped her at a park with a backpack.
“he just dropped me off in a park with a backpack”
01:32:35
QuoteKayla reveals father duct-taped her arms behind back and put her in garage as a 10-year-old.
“he literally take my mouth shut take my arms off my back take me to a chair and put me in the garage for the night”
01:44:00
QuoteJwes compares her one encounter with the micropenis man to 'what it feels like to be with a girl'.
“I've never been with a girl but I'm going to assume that's what it feels like”
01:55:10
QuoteLeah reveals she makes over $10K/month on OnlyFans and has ~$50K saved.
“over 10K a month”
02:05:03
QuoteSelf-ratings round begins. Heather rates herself 8.
“eight all right what about you can't pick seven”
02:30:57
QuoteHeather reveals she has been almost kidnapped 3 times; describes one OF-related van incident.
“I've almost been kidnapped three different times”
02:31:15
QuoteHeather describes meeting a sugar date who spent $5K to get a date, arrived with a van and 4 people who tried to pull her in. A cop was nearby.
“he like yanked me and a cop pulled up and intervened before anyone else could jump out”
03:39:40
Key MomentAndrew presses panel: would you advise your future child NOT to do sex work? All guests eventually say yes it would be better if they didn't, but Kayla says she would let them if they wanted to.
“if you dropped the only fans off tomorrow”
04:44:05
ControversyHeather leaves the set briefly during assault statistics debate ('I'm getting frustrated'), returns ~5 minutes later.
“is it like a rage quit yeah why ra I guess it is”
04:59:10
QuoteNia reveals father is a traditional provider who is completely okay with her OnlyFans.
“my dad knows what only fans is he knows that's what I do”
05:20:00
Key MomentAndrew uses 'mandroid' thought experiment: if you could program your perfect man, what height would you enter? All women pick taller than themselves, demonstrating universal beauty preferences.
“you're on the computer you're ordering your mandroid”
05:31:10
ControversyAndrew walks off briefly during pronoun/non-binary debate (opportunity for smoke break per co-hosts).
“he's rage quitting all right double rage quit”
Topics Discussed
00:03:09
Guest Introductions & Background
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Relationship status round. Kayla: 22, Seattle, hairstylist/OF/DJ. Jwes: 21, SLO, OF/server. Heather: 19, near Forks WA, OF. Leah: 23, Santa Rosa, bikini barista/OF. Nia: 23, Santa Barbara, OF/model. Jordan: 26, Riverside, gym owner (recurring). Andrew: 40, married. Jake: 28, single. Brian: 35, single.
00:26:00
Nia's Relationship History & Anime Porn Addiction
Nia's 5-year relationship ended partly due to ex's hentai/anime porn addiction causing dead bedroom. Discussion of whether anime porn is more or less threatening than human porn. Jwes's micropenis situationship story; man claimed her to his friends despite no real relationship.
00:32:00
Kayla's Arrest History & Father Conflict
Kayla discusses 6 arrests: underage drinking at school, vandalism of father's house, DV with ex (ex spit on her, she retaliated, she was arrested). Father kicked her out at 17, one week before 18th birthday. Reveals duct-tape restraint/garage punishment as a child. Debate about parental accountability vs. teen responsibility.
01:30:00
OnlyFans — Motivations, Family Reactions, and Morality
Extended panel debate on OnlyFans as a career choice. Kayla talks about trying to quit during cosmetology school. Leah explains her OF business model (LLC, contractors, $10K+/mo). Andrew presses guests on whether they'd advise their future children to do sex work. Discussion of fatherlessness and sex work correlation. Brian asks guests if they would stop OF entirely at show's end — all decline.
01:38:20
Parenting, Discipline, and Fear of Consequences
Discussion about whether children should fear their parents. Andrew (masculine approach: consequences) vs. panel (feminine approach: love and communication). Leah reveals childhood intimate abuse. Kayla reveals childhood restraint and garage punishment. Jordan describes healthy balance of strict father + nurturing mother. Jake describes being whooped as a first-generation Asian-American and crediting it.
02:05:03
Self-Ratings and Aging Discussion
Panel rates their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Heather: 8. Jwes: 6. Leah: 5-6. Next: 8. Jake: 6. Andrew: 4/5. Jordan (returning): 9. Discussion of whether each guest will be better looking in 10, 20, 30 years. Leah says she plans to still look good at 53 and 'get fat' by 60 intentionally. Andrew uses 'mandroid' thought experiment to probe whether beauty standards are universal.
02:53:20
Traditional vs. Non-Traditional Gender Roles
Brian asks why non-traditional women still expect traditional treatment from men (providers, chivalry). Discussion of boyfriends as providers. Nia says her provider dad taught her to expect that. Debate on inconsistency: women in sex work demanding traditional male behavior. Sugar dating discussed: Leah charged $500-$1K/hr for dates; cut off recently. Heather says $1K/hr was fair.
03:06:55
Kayla's Twitter & Music Industry Sexism
Kayla's tweet 'I wish I was born a man sometimes' prompts discussion. Claims music industry men offer to teach women DJing as pretext for sex. Brian challenges whether she has evidence of sexism vs. opportunism. Andrew: of course men with ulterior motives lie about teaching you — that's separate from systemic sexism.
03:55:00
Who Would You Trust More: Men or Women?
Andrew asks panel: if forced to choose one person to tell you the truth, would you pick a random man or woman? Most guests say man — more blunt, less likely to spare feelings. Jordan: men have been more upfront with her. Leah: women have been more threatening in her life. Andrew uses this to pivot: why don't you listen to men who tell you OF is a bad idea?
04:10:00
Man vs. Bear Hypothetical
Panel asked whether they'd rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the forest. Heather: bear. Jwes: bear. Kayla and others: varied. Heather rage quit briefly after assault statistics exchange. Discussion of men's assault reporting rates and why women don't advocate for male SA victims.
04:55:20
Snitch or Cheat Hypothetical
Brian poses: would you snitch on your closest male friend to police, or cheat on your partner? Brian: would cheat (no intention to ever marry). Andrew: would snitch rather than cheat. Jake: would snitch. Live poll: 66% say snitch, 34% say cheat. Escalating versions: close friend → brother → father → son. Andrew: son would be the threshold where he'd cheat on wife.
05:07:30
Can You Be Racist Toward White People / Sexist Toward Men?
Panel asked: can you be racist toward white people? Heather (white): yes, technically, but it doesn't hurt her feelings. Can you be sexist toward men? All say yes. Do we need men? Discussion — men needed biologically; otherwise optional per some guests.
06:00:25
Dating App Review — Heather's Profile
Brian reviews Heather's Tinder profile on stream. Her photos include a spot near a sewer/creek she calls 'the woods'. Panel debates whether it counts as 'woods'. Profile bio: 'open to exploring, I don't want children, bad texter, Sagittarius'.
06:37:00
Andrew Wilson vs. Parker Dean Challenge
TTS mentions Parker Dean challenge. Andrew confirms Parker refuses 1v1 debate; will only do 2v2 or group debate. Andrew calls him out on air: 'come on the Whatever podcast 1v1, you won't do it.'
Transcript
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00:55:12
Jordanmoney aside it's just not the right thing to advocate for somebody or to push somebody to like hurt themselves and I honestly thought they were like capping like I thought they were lying
00:55:25
Kaylaand like wouldn't actually go through with it and I thought they were just going to like end the stream like before at what point did it become real was it after he sent money no he sent like H he sent like
00:55:37
Jordanhalf of it first and then he sent half then he had to go through with it yeah how did you know he went through with it there was like physical proof he went through with it I mean I saw it plop on the ground oh you watched the whole thing happen yeah I thought he was going
00:55:50
Kaylato end the stream and I was going to be fine with 1,500 instead of like 3,000 so you stayed to get the remaining 1500 well I'm I usually don't end the stream
00:56:01
Brian Atlaslike I'm just watching cuz I also get paid by the minute mhm so like anyways anyways uh I think they're let's do a
00:56:10
Brian Atlastoast to Garis Godfree Salo cheers congratulations congrats thank you man really appreciate really appreciate your patronage uh shoot me a DM on the disc I
00:56:22
Andrew Wilsonbelieve you're on the Discord we'll get you the legendary rank thank you man have a quick quick followup on this yes you said that you had ended calls before when they tip you does that mean that
00:56:33
Kaylayou've robbed men on this um no so you've never taken the tip and then ended the call I'll like do the call until I'm uncomfortable cuz sometimes they'll ask me to do crazy
00:56:46
Andrew Wilsonthings sometimes sometimes people are into like making myself throw up yeah sure sure then I'm going to end the call but you'll take the tip he already tipped yeah so so he says I want you to
00:56:55
Andrew Wilsondo this thing but and then tell me what he wants but he already tipped so like I'm not going to refund him money so he's never told you what he want and then tipped and then heed the call yeah why would he do that like just wondering
00:57:08
Kaylathat's happened to me though cuz it's not very cash money he should ask first money they but then they say some stuff that's like they want they keep pushing my limits when I I purely I
00:57:21
Kaylaalready put the boundaries and then after they tip they keep saying like trying to push my boundaries of like doing like other things that I didn't agree to that's when I just like end it and I'm like so you've never taken a tip
00:57:34
Kaylasaying that you would do something and then just not done it no okay yeah that'd be kind of once I get like uncomfortable cuz they're pushing my pushing my boundaries what are those
00:57:45
Kaylaboundaries like anal type stuff I don't know but not snipping a testicle off I just honestly wanted to see if
00:57:57
Brian Atlasthat was like if he was dead ass about that well he was dead ass well did it for the plot for the plop for the
00:58:06
Brian Atlasokay let's see uh you uh you said you're doing your off to pay for your higher education are you in college right now too I'm in Cosmo cosmetology school oh
00:58:17
Kaylacosmetology school is that the higher education are you trying to do something more like academic um I I'm more of a creative person and so I don't think there's a
00:58:28
Brian Atlaspoint for me to go to college for like to study Arts mhm okay all right moving to uh Heather you do uh you do the oof
00:58:38
Brian Atlasstuff uh are you also uh stripper too or I wish no do any of you do uh stripping or I was a stripper for like three months three months okay God I want to
00:58:51
Heatherbe a stripper so bad I actually wrote an essay when I was a kid about how I wanted to be a stripper because my mom was talk about how much money they make and stuff it's not worth the traumatization I mean only doing it for
00:59:03
Heathera month would still be fun to me and I don't I don't want to do one-on ones like I the reason why I wouldn't be a stripper is cuz most clubs kind of like push you towards like touching men and I
00:59:14
Heatherdo not want gross and that's not happening so I don't know them I just want to look I just want to look pretty on a poll and get praised I got I got I
00:59:24
Kaylagot that sounds so fun what the heck gosh I don't know no but you got to like you'll realize you'll actually have
00:59:32
Heatherto handle rejection to your face do you want to dance no $10 no no thanks honey yeah and that's okay I don't really I don't I don't really have I don't I don't care I don't my feelings don't get
00:59:45
Brian Atlashurt very easily yeah I just I just go you said you've only been in three long-term relationships and that this is the first time you've been single since you were 13 I I don't really know anything about
00:59:56
Heathernormal dating yeah it's hard I mean the dating part is hard but like when you're like single and you're just like doing your thing I don't really know how to be single it's hard okay um you wanted to
01:00:09
Heatherask how old should you start thinking about serious relationships yeah like that's a like question for the panel yeah like when should you start thinking about getting
01:00:19
Heatherinto a relationship that you know you want to lead to marriage you know cuz like 13 is way too young yeah like I should not have been in a relationship at 13 totally agree yeah I
01:00:32
Leahthink it depends on the personality of the person because everyone wants different things out of relationships out of life some people want a career some people want to make a family first so I think it's kind of open to
01:00:42
Leahinterpretation but I would say as like a guideline I think it's more intelligent to date a little bit later yeah I mean I don't know when you're a kid I feel like you should
01:00:54
Leahfocus on like being a kid and like learning about who you are and your friend group and stuff like that for sure I'd say I kind of think like 17 at
01:01:04
Heatherthe very at the very minimum like if you have to date I'd say like 17 I guess but I'd prefer like your brain isn't even fully developed as a girly until you're
01:01:13
Heatherlike 25 isn't it well kind of depends on the person mature so like as long as you're like above 18 I guess you can't really say anything about it but 13 is
01:01:24
Heatherway too young there should be like a law against that no no serious relationship well there's laws against like there's laws against
01:01:34
TTS Readerlike doing the nasty but that's not even I was just like dating him you know Metro M donated $200 ladies the internet is forever your
01:01:46
Brian Atlastime at a serious relationship was before of and wearing what you are yeah yeah yo Metro mat thank you for the TTS man really really appreciate it
01:01:56
Brian Atlasuh what do you guys think about this so I mean he's sort of kind of uh hinting towards since you guys are involved in of do you think it's makes things maybe
01:02:07
Leaha bit harder to get a relationship or I definitely agree I think it's a little bit harder depending on the type of people you want to date I think that since I am an only fence model I've been
01:02:19
Leahdoing that for 3 or four years now it has been a little bit more challenging finding someone who is okay with someone who is in the sex work industry and I totally understand that it's not always easy looking over at your partner's phone and someone named sugar daddy
01:02:31
Leahnumber 10 is sugar what sugar daddy number daddy number 10 it's like yo drop your panties I want to see you XYZ you know like that's not easy to like see that sometimes but some people are okay
01:02:42
Leahwith like putting those differences aside and like learning who you are outside of just your career can I ask you a question yes if a man had a woman
01:02:53
Andrew Wilsonwho had sugar daddy number 10 on the phone mhm and he said I want you to do a b c and d for me and she does it and
01:03:01
Heatherhe's okay with it isn't he a c do you like that sorry I'm kidding I'm sorry I like I like I I like Cooks I like men who are accepting and don't really care I just would never I would never do it
01:03:14
Andrew Wilsonin front of him personally a CU is I like to keep it away like in person watching them yeah why it does it need to be in person or like watching them I think it's just a guy is okay with it so
01:03:26
Andrew Wilsonlike let me give you an example I think if a guy says I'm okay with you like having sex with my wife or girlfriend oh that that's a that's a cuck right but if if he said I'm okay with you watching
01:03:36
Andrew Wilsonher do n naked while you masturbate that's still the it's the same yeah just s watching porn is being a cuck I think it's what's your opinion on
01:03:48
Andrew Wilsonwatching cuz that's literally like yeah yeah so I think that there's uh kind of an a a distinction there between what interpersonal and what isn't well I would agree it's bad you shouldn't do it
01:03:59
Leahright shouldn't shouldn't be done I huh sorry I think it's a little bit based on who you are as a person and how you perceive things and like your nature versus nurture you know because like for
01:04:11
Andrew Wilsonme I've VI it as business you know it's like oh sure whatever takes 10 minutes make a few hundred bucks or more I don't I don't see what that if if my wife let's say saw it is a business opportunity to have sex with other men
01:04:23
Leahfor money that would still be cuckery right if I was like okay then what I mean is like the interpersonal relationship like when you are dating someone it's like almost romant not almost it's like romantic you know like
01:04:34
Leahan emotional connection but not out myself it's work for me like I don't have an emotional connection it's just like a picture I don't really understand why it being work has anything to do
01:04:46
Andrew Wilsonwith the cuck aspect of it it's like oh I get paid for it it's like okay so what you get paid for it but if the guy's okay with you getting like you know plowed let's say say um by other dudes
01:04:58
Andrew Wilsonand you're getting paid I don't see the distinction it just seems like okay well now I'm a cuck who who gets gets paid for being a cuck versus not getting paid for being it's just the same right I think it definitely depends I think it's like a little bit circumstantial
01:05:10
Leahand like who the parties are involved are because like for me if there's an emotional connection I am livid like if my partner is like emotionally invested into another woman I'm like yo bro if
01:05:21
Leahit's not what's an example of of a time when it's not cuckery I think for example like a bundle you know like if
01:05:33
Leahyou're in the sex work industry do bundles so if I took pictures like 3 four years ago and I posted my story like hey who wants to buy this $100 bundle whatever and I just send it there's no emotional connection it's not
01:05:44
Leahcustom nothing like that it's literally just 20 KN to like so you're sending a bundle of uh nude or whatever sort of content to somebody and they're masturbating to it whatever they I mean whatever they and and your your
01:05:57
Kaylaboyfriend's cool with you doing that yeah that would make him a uh I think a c would be like someone that's turned on by that nope well I
01:06:09
Leahmean she doesn't do it in front of him no it's just him allowing it I think it's just them it's just them being okay with it yeah or being okay with it with cucker I feel like it's definitely more of like an intimate like you get turned
01:06:21
Andrew Wilsonon you are actively hard you were actively trying to come to your partner cuck from the idea that a woman gets pregnant with some other man's kid and
01:06:32
Andrew Wilsonthen you unknowingly raise the child oh that's what that's where the root word for cuckle tree is it comes from a cuckoo bird right oh so the idea is the bird goes in lays eggs okay not kidding
01:06:44
Andrew Wilsonyeah bird goes in lays eggs and then unwittingly The Offspring is being raised by the male that's not actually their offspring so they don't know right
01:06:55
Andrew Wilsonbut the way it evolved is the same idea the idea here is if other people are having sex with you you know your chick M you they could get pregnant right and then you could unknowingly think that
01:07:08
Andrew Wilsonthat's your child and so that's how the word evolved into the idea of if a guy is okay with you sleeping around or selling yourself sexually around then that's cuckle that's so that's how the
01:07:19
Leahroute got got to where where we're at now okay you see what I'm saying yeah I didn't know that yeah I think I think it's really interesting to look at the history of words and to see how it's
01:07:29
Leahchanged over the years theology yeah Theology and I think for my relationship my partner I mean to best my knowledge he's never expressed that he has any
01:07:41
Andrew Wilsonsexual interest in what I do he's actually kind of not really the greatest fan of it MH and it's like I don't know because it's like no he's I'm sure he's not yeah I'm sure
01:07:53
Leahhe's not yeah well look like um like honestly don't you think that most men they don't want to share their woman definitely I mean I don't want to say definitely because every man is different and they all have their own
01:08:04
Andrew Wilsonspecial just said most myself I'm sorry I just said most don't you think most men don't want to share their woman and I mean the vast majority right yeah it's
01:08:13
Leahdefinitely interesting to think about how people portray themselves especially socially like as an only fans girl um
01:08:23
Leahmyself I've received a lot of dis tasteful comments or um the ending of relationships because of it so I definitely see the validity of not
01:08:32
Leahwanting your partner to do it I also see the validity of picking and choosing who you surround yourself with and stuff like that no I I guess I I understand your perspective I'm just I'm asking
01:08:43
Leahkind of a different question so do you do you think most men propably don't want to share their woman from what I've read online and like what I've experienced myself I do think that's the case yeah I I would say that that's
01:08:56
Andrew Wilsonprobably reasonable right that they don't want to share their woman and so this idea think of it from the other man's perspective of the man who does and is willing to share their woman aren't all these other men who are
01:09:07
Andrew Wilsonunwilling to going to think lesser of him honestly I'm not sure they do you know and you know what they call them they call him a cuck right they say you're a
01:09:19
Andrew Wilsoncuck and that's that's why they call him that they think lesser of him so I have my own hypothesis here see I think that
01:09:28
Andrew Wilsonany man any man who allows their woman to be you know on purpose go out and you know Screw other men or dance naked form
01:09:38
Andrew Wilsonor whatever any man who allows that every other man regardless of their so social status is going to think they're better than that guy every man regardless of so you could be in other words it could be a bum in
01:09:50
Andrew Wilsonthe street a bum in the street hasn't washed in 8 weeks right no money no nothing and you'll think you're better than that guy cuz he's a cuz he's a cuck okay
01:10:01
Andrew WilsonI'm not kidding who cares about other you don't well you don't have to because you don't have to compete right but men do men have to compete hang on men have to compete with each other so men operate within a social hierarchy
01:10:14
Andrew Wilsonand so it's very important to men what other men think that's job prospects that's how we get along in the world is by relying on each other so if men think lesser of you and in general right
01:10:26
Heatherthat's a serious effect that men face within their own hierarchical structur so mhm who built the like the way like it's that's because of them I'm sorry but you guys we had to fix it for
01:10:38
Heatherourselves how we see like what we do now it wasn't this way when my grandma was a kid at all and us women we collec change it but you men you guys haven't done that yet because it's so
01:10:49
Heatherhard because it's been we haven't been liberated you guys haven't like changed the Judgment aspect of it like I was just talking about this the other night we we don't we don't we're not ever going to judge it differently I was I spent the night at someone's house with
01:11:02
Heathermy friend the other night and he's like a big fan of the whatever podcast and we were talking about it and like I don't know it's just really sad how like guys care so much about other people's
01:11:14
TTS Readeropinions yeah but it's other men yeah grid One Motorsports donated $200 And1 the delusion is ridiculous with these no man wants another man to plow
01:11:26
TTS Readerhis woman and to be able to ask how his D tastes let alone think about sloppy seconds wake up and be better thank you gwan all right thank you gdan appreciate
01:11:37
Brian Atlasthe uh message uh you were well you were saying that you were talking with your uh male friend and why do men care so much or what was it you were saying that actually me no yeah but was that you my
01:11:48
Andrew Wilsonapologies none of us are getting plowed we're simply selling new you guys are bringing it up here that comment the comments the commentor said what the comment said yeah no I'm going I'm going back
01:12:01
Andrew Wilsonto you're making a category making a category we're simply I'm saying everything under this category is the thing which includes allowing your chick to get plowed not that any of you are
01:12:11
Andrew Wilsondoing that that's there's a distinction there right yeah de was not making that any such accusation so the problem is is like you all have to probably attention deficit to you he like a I'm kidding I'm
01:12:24
Heatherkidding but anyway no I never actually said that what I said was that all that fits under the category of cuckery yeah yeah I mean true I just like my men I like my men non-judgmental preferably not straight
01:12:36
Heatherand I don't know you like your men not straight yeah i' I'd prefer a guy who's like I don't know my last relationship he's how do you have phys how do you have a physical relationship I don't know how I bed him he's so perfect and
01:12:48
Heatherhe's doesn't like he doesn't like girls like that like by no like he he didn't I guess yeah he has been by he he has a really great tast in women but like I just don't like I'm not like jealous at all I wouldn't let him get with anyone else and I don't want to get with anyone
01:13:01
Heatherelse you wouldn't want him sucking a dick on the side while you oh I don't care about that and I that's that sounds fun that sounds hot I don't care about that you guys could do it together exactly but I wouldn't get with another guy that's gross I'm I'm more into girls
01:13:13
Heatherpersonally but I'm not completely I'm not completely into girls like he's more into guys than he is girls I'm more into guys than I am girls okay it's confusing it's confusing I'm not confused but but
01:13:25
Andrew Wilsonso kind of moving this back though to the Wilson hypothesis which is that any I think any man who is not a cuck will
01:13:37
Heatheralways view every man as as who is as lesser than them regardless of social status yeah that's my hypothesis no and that that might be right I guess I I'm
01:13:46
Andrew Wilsonsure I so so don't you think then if that is true and you agree that that's true that the men who engage in this then are going to be they're going to be
01:13:57
Andrew Wilsonsignificantly punished by the rest of the hierarchy in society for this and that if they if they let it sure how do you mean let how can you stop it oh there's not like there's not like
01:14:09
Andrew Wilsona go off Quin yeah there's not like a stop which can happen here right you can't stop it you can't be like oh you have to view me as your because they just won't right it's like n you're a cuck bro get out of here or you can just
01:14:20
Jakenot care in general like yeah but not caring does not mean that you're not going to get the effect of this true well I guess I've just never seen it firsthand but like there's a there's a few people on the internet's can dispute
01:14:32
Jakesomething exposed as cucks and hither to they might have had some opinions that people really liked they might have had a following and they might be able to say the best thing ever that is just completely revolutionary they might be able to cure cancer but they're a cuck
01:14:45
Andrew Wilsonyeah so we don't care about what they say true no you got a valid point there that's that's definitely messed up that's so sad well I mean you heard you know it's like it's like it's the old bridge builder thing right it doesn't matter how good you are at Building
01:14:57
Andrew WilsonBridges if you suck one dick they're not going to call you the bridge builder they're going to call you the dick suck that's right I was like wait that's how it
01:15:07
Heatherworks no you're right that's messed up but oh God I don't know luckily us girls don't have to deal with that I guess yeah I'm glad feel horrible everyone
01:15:17
Heathercalled my man a cuck yeah that would be Society like this is sad I didn't realize how weird my thought process is I thought that like it just
01:15:28
Andrew Wilsonwas like everyone thinks differently but I guess I there's there all these Norm do you know why these Norms exist they exist because um no no they exist because the only way
01:15:40
Andrew Wilsonto assure paternity from a man and a woman meaning the only way for you to determine that the child was yours before we had testing to determine this which is recent very recent was that she
01:15:51
Andrew Wilsonwas only with you yeah so if she stepped out you had no way to determine whether The Offspring was yours yeah and I mean that's why it's such a big deal it's ingrained in men right it's ingrained in men they're like they want to assure
01:16:03
Heatherpaternity they want to be like I want to know that kid as so that's why we find it revolting right true it's built into us that's totally fine I mean I think it if I think it's revolting too like if my if I say my ex because I still care
01:16:16
Heatherabout him a lot and stuff but if my ex were to get with a girl I would probably freak out and put like instant mashed potatoes in in his yard before it
01:16:27
Heatherrained I thought you had the perfect homosexual you were with I don't think he would do it I'm just saying hypothetically he were to I'd be really upset but like because I mean but if he
01:16:37
Heathergoes out and like sucks 100 dicks no problem um I mean he wouldn't but if he did yeah but if he did he did mess with like a hundred like if he had if he 10 I
01:16:50
Heatherthink 10 is doable two okay two dicks but not three not three three's too many no I mean okay he's super respectful and he understands my boundaries and I don't even have to worry about so too so so he
01:17:02
Heathersucks two dicks that's okay one chick fine I do want to see a my chart though I want to see you want to make sure you didn't get HIV I need to I need to like it's like a that's like a big thing like
01:17:13
HeatherI'm not getting nothing like do what you want just don't get with a girl and show me your my chart but you can go get with a guy he can yeah
01:17:23
Heathersure I okay mm I want to see them though and that's just me that's just me personally like I would never judge what other people want and stuff as long as it's not like messed up but like I don't know that's just how I am it just you
01:17:36
Heatherthink having having a girlfriend and then going out and sucking a dick is a little bit messed up not particularly just uh that's pretty normal keep me in the known it's never happened he never really did it I think he thinks that it
01:17:47
Heatherwould make me upset but like I'm so I'm so for real right now I genuinely don't get jealous like that when it comes to men but with women no it's like my brain
01:17:57
Heatheris like wired to be like if he gets with another girl then he hates me so I don't know I don't know I I want to know if there's like a name for how I think cuz I cannot be the only person that thinks
01:18:09
Brian Atlasthis way okay I think it's called psychosis it might be I am I am crazy wait you are no I'm just autistic my brain you're just autistic oh autistic
01:18:19
Brian Atlasmy brain just a little slow I guess this this could be a good segue like so uh mental illness check um what's everybody's diagnosis oh really never been diagnosed with anything you've diagnosed yourself though right what
01:18:33
Andrew Wilsonwhat's your self diagnosis self diagnosis uh ADHD okay ADHD what what you got got to catch him anxiety official or unofficial unofficial so self diagnosis
01:18:44
Brian Atlasanxiety self diagnos no any official diagnosis no no no official um yeah I'm just autistic so okay we got like bipolar BPD
01:18:54
Brian Atlasanything like that any personality disorders autism okay I mean yeah technically technically what Asbergers
01:19:03
Leahtechnically asers what about you I have like a few anxiety disorders I have Gad I have like social anxiety and then I
01:19:13
Leahalso have um anticipatory anxiety it's anticipatory anxiety okay so I'd show up to work like 3 or 4 hours early like in the parking lot type
01:19:24
Leahyeah I had like 11 therapy sweet yeah good times what good times oh sorry I totally heard something else you did what what you here can't talk about on
01:19:34
Leahthe podcast anyway um okay I also have like a depression Disorder so have like clinical depression all right what about you what you what you got anxiety anxiety m i get anxious sometimes Jake
01:19:47
Jakewhat about you sometimes when I'm trying to sleep and I hear little noises I get pretty upset okay psychopath all right psychopath
01:19:57
Andrew Wilsonwhat about you Andrew God got psychopathy narcissism like the list goes on any of the honestly I'm glad you're so aware yeah any of the things that women
01:20:08
Andrew Wilsonnormally call men when they're just kind of like moderately unpleasant to them incel mocker I have I have all of those
01:20:18
Andrew Wilsonthings Mr owns his wife yeah so I would say yeah narcissism Psychopathic uh yeah all that stuff yeah most men most men yeah I think he's just
01:20:31
Brian Atlasa man do you sleep with like blackout curtains and all that stuff uh and then going around the table once more hear a pin drop the same thing really is this the
01:20:41
Jordaninquiry making up blackout curtains is that the pring conversation it's got to be dark quiet I want I don't want to hear a peep okay so going around the table trigger my narcissism so hard
01:20:53
Brian Atlasright now it's ridiculous so uh triggering my narcissism triggering my narcissism take a walk so going going
01:21:01
Brian Atlasaround the table uh do you take any medications for your problems no no this includes self-medication yeah I
01:21:13
Heatherwas going just all sometimes oh okay prescribed or just you buy it off the street from my friends I'm buy it off the local drug
01:21:23
Leahdealer on the corner word anything yes adderal or no not Aderall what do you can I say it weed yeah I would say marijuana yes yeah just weed um I was on
01:21:35
LeahCYO pram but it kind of made me suicidal so stopped cpram is like a SSR yeah anti-depressant okay prescribed yes
01:21:46
Brian AtlasAdavan okay all right no that's a benzo right mhm yeah nothing just let it run Wald nothing all all right okay cool there you go there you have it folks the
01:21:57
Brian Atlasdiagnosis from the panel uh the prescription the RX that's great while we uh do we have oh we do have a couple chats so I'll get through those we have who cares the level of desperation a
01:22:09
Brian Atlassimp will go to just to get a girl attention have no remorse for these kinds of guysa moind okay hey thank you man I really appreciate I believe this is in he sent this when we were talking about the
01:22:22
Brian Atlaswhole you made a guy cut his balls off thing so he says he has no remorse for these kind of guys cuz like valid they're the one begging for it I kind of have some remorse yeah I
01:22:33
Brian Atlaslittle bit remorse right not remorse but empathy empathy that's what I me low No Remorse cuz he's literally begging for me to do it I think they probably need
01:22:45
Brian Atlasmental health intervention but you know they signed into they need a father figure like Andrew Wilson Andrew Wilson you should start service like called and you go around the
01:22:58
Andrew Wilsoncountry just belting simps and what do you think that's because because apparently some of them would get like sexual gratification from that so oh yeah oh they get sexual gratification from pretty much
01:23:11
Jweseverything oh you have a question or no I have I have a statement a comment okay so I use Snapchat a lot I have over like 10,000 followers on Snapchat for some reason and
01:23:22
JwesI thank you thank you okay I s about like like on an average three unsolicited dick pics a day it's terrible but one time I opened I opened
01:23:33
Jwesa s the same thing happens to men right no way okay but I opened a snap one day right mhm and this this guy was shoving a rod down his hole I've
01:23:45
Andrew Wilsonseen so it happens to men the other direction right so there's uh like women's only fans Bots their managers and like that get those rolling and you'll open up your Twitter and there'll
01:23:56
Andrew Wilsonbe 15 stupid naked dumb SC you're like you just got to block them all you have to report them all and it's like what the I've seen that on my they do they do it constantly so it's not like women are the only ones who are getting
01:24:08
Brian Atlasunsolicited nudes you know what I mean yeah that's on Twitter you know that there it's not just on Twitter it's everywhere well yeah and Snapchat's really bad I had a lot of gu Andrew what do you think about this for for Equity right cuz we've we hear girls bring up
01:24:20
Brian Atlaslike equality but then they like shift to equity or whatever like I do kind of think it would be Equity if like kind of almost says Revenge if women just started sending pcks like I no
01:24:31
Brian Atlasthey would want they'd like it I think women should like you should get back at us men I think you just want to see some think you guys should get back I think you guys should get back at us and just
01:24:42
Heatherstart sending unsolicited pcks you know what I mean don't you have to for some life bro oh okay okay so yeah okay go I'm just saying bro I that that's
01:24:55
Leahthat's crazy on Snapchat there are definitely girls who will like send you pictures of everything for for sure I just think that like people are famous of something like they're I'm just saying like maybe just like revenge or
01:25:06
Jordansomething so gross that is so gross pre revenge is crazy groomed or ungroomed S crazy yeah anyways uh okay we have another chat here from
01:25:19
Kaylarun girl you know what I think we need to have uh Kylie read this Kayla sorry my bad oh it's my sister uh Kayla girl on the
01:25:30
Kaylaright is 100% wife material sarcasm not the sharpest tool in sh moms lock your sons up lock up your sons wait can you roll up your sleeve here this one so we
01:25:40
Brian Atlascan see the spider tattoo oh sick there's a heart what's the what's the story it's like that's very deep so deep like there's the heart in the middle and the spider webs it's like I just thought
01:25:52
Jordanit was cute man oh okay there's no story behind it okay just she loves Spider-Man maybe that's the story love I love Spider-Man um me too oh wait really
01:26:02
Brian Atlasquick since we're on the topic um let's k k oh my God what the Kayla Kayla right yes did I get it right thank you what is wrong with me yeah I don't know uh we have some of her Instagrams so start with the beginning I had a
01:26:16
Brian Atlasquestion for you Kayla so like there was a transformation big transformation that happened what right
01:26:25
Brian Atlasyeah the just the first one the first photos all right so this is like young Kayla and then next though like next one like maybe a bit older so like I'm
01:26:36
Brian Atlascurious what happened so that's you and these two pics what happened between then here mm and then this she
01:26:46
Brian Atlasstraightened her eyebrows here next here next next next is that a face down too yeah that was is there one more is there
01:26:56
Brian Atlasone more oh well that comes so all of those in between that was what happened what happened psychotic mother she got kicked out crazy mom is that it got a crazy mom crazy mom crazy dad crazy Dad
01:27:07
Kaylasee a crazy mom though right yes what M see a crazy mom um she just has mental illness yeah like yeah I could see what does she have okay we don't know exactly
01:27:19
Kaylawhat my my aunt is a therapist so she thinks it's like some type of personal disorder cuz she never got like she is Extreme ADHD and I guess if you don't like learn how to cope with that or
01:27:32
Kaylawhatever it can turn into like a personality disorder and like extreme depression or anxiety stuff like that okay um but like why following the footsteps of crazy
01:27:45
Kaylathough um she's not like that's not by choice though like I'm like I know I
01:27:53
Kaylahave ADH so I like look up and like read up on how to like cope with those things I don't want to get like a prescription for adall cuz I feel like there's no need to take Aderall every single day
01:28:05
Andrew Wilsonbecause that's like not good for you I don't think personally yeah but I mean people people are able to manage manage these conditions all the time right without uh without falling into kind of
01:28:17
Andrew Wilsonthese these insane traps where they decide they're going to tatt themselves up do the only fans going to rebel against dad right going to do all that
01:28:24
Kaylatype of stuff well maybe it's just like my dad was really strict like insanely strict like I get caught for weed once and then I come home and my shit's all
01:28:38
Andrew Wilsonpacked mhm when like did he did he lay down the ground work don't do this or else there's going to be this consequence no
01:28:46
Kaylawe didn't I came home and it was just packed and then yeah but then we didn't we didn't even talk about it for like 3 days I just slept in my sister's bed so
01:28:57
Andrew WilsonI just want to make sure right just just want to make sure there was no pattern of behavior so it wasn't like oh this was just the one thing that I did and my dad just absolutely lost his threw
01:29:09
Andrew Wilsonme out or was it actually that there was a pattern of behavior where you had done a bunch of over and over and over again that he was dealing with time when I was like from like 14 to like 16 but
01:29:21
Kaylathen after I just lived with my dad he was more with me and I had I thought you just said he was super strict no okay strict about like he grew up with he was born in Taiwan so he's Asian parent
01:29:33
Kaylastrict plus his dad was in the military so military strictness yeah so he had high expectations sure yeah but I just think it was funny how he we would always have talks about how he thinks alcohol is worse for the for for
01:29:44
KaylaPeople's Health than versus weed or like cigarettes are way worse for People's Health versus weed and then I get caught smoking weed once then yeah yeah but but but okay but but was it just that it was
01:29:55
Kaylaonly weed or was there a pattern the question before I got kicked out it was in like 2020 versus when when um Co was happening my stepmom she was a nurse and
01:30:05
Kaylashe thought like Co was fake even though she was a nurse okay and so I had a full-time job and I was like a cashier Jack In The Box and I'm oh I'm like
01:30:16
Kaylaserving like hundreds of people every day but then he wouldn't let me leave the house to like chill with my friends for just a little bit and it was kind of
01:30:28
Kaylamaking me go insane staying at home because my dad and my stepmom would so loud and they wouldn't like chill out like it's 7:00 a.m. and I'm trying to eat breakfast and
01:30:38
Kaylalike I'm heing like I'm like you know like why would I want to stay wait they loud yes and I would tell them to chill the out and like bro I'm trying to eat breakfast it's kind of I'm
01:30:51
Andrew Wilsonlike about to throw up now cuz I'm hearing my dad my stepmom told you you weren't allowed to go out he went out anyway right yeah because that's Trump hear that and then before that I'm guessing that there was other restrictions he laid down and you
01:31:02
Andrew Wilsonrebelled against those restrictions as well right yeah so that's a pattern of behavior so when so when you say I was just smoked this weed one time and my psychotic dad threw me out it's not really what happened right what happened
01:31:14
Andrew Wilsonis there was a bunch of behavior over and over and over again they had to correct until he finally hit a boiling point and said okay go get some real world experience and then after you do maybe you won't you uh maybe you'll calm
01:31:26
Andrew Wilsonyour down and now you say you have a relationship with him again right so maybe you do see it a little bit from his angle yeah I was like a 17 F were you a delinquent were you a
01:31:37
Kayladelinquent like were you engaged in delinquent ass activity he said don't do this and he did it anyway well what I thought was weird was that he would
01:31:47
Kaylaalways say CO's not real I don't believe this blah blah blah blah and then when there's like I'm going out he's saying I can't go out because of Co but then he's yeah these are all justifications though I mean what I'm asking you is not how
01:32:00
Andrew Wilsonyou felt about it I'm asking you the opposite I'm saying did your old man put down tons of restrictions which you broke constantly yeah yeah so then it's a pattern of behavior right so he gets
01:32:10
Andrew Wilsonfed up he says get the out yeah so how is that wait so so the thing is the thing here's what I don't understand though right mhm it's like we start the story with my dad's a monster
01:32:22
Andrew Wilsonokay this guy I smoked a joint once and this psychotic son of a threw me right out the door and then we get into the story now that's not really what happened what happened is over time of you doing delinquent and disobeying him over and over and over again he has
01:32:35
Andrew WilsonBreaking Point through your ass out but he didn't give me a warning I can't why does he he gave you 100 warnings how many times you break his rules he didn't say he would going to kick me out yeah but why but here's the thing right it's
01:32:45
Andrew Wilsonlike what how much of this is your responsibility for what you did all the actions I took are all mine they're all you so it's like why is he obliged you're week away from 18 why is he obliged to just
01:32:57
Kaylaconsistently put up with your if he doesn't want your behavior I mean he could have been like hey like one more up then blah blah blah you would have still done it though right no I
01:33:08
Andrew Wilsonwouldn't if he said one more up I'm just but if he tosses you out right go get a taste of the real world and then you realize well wait maybe the grass wasn't greener on this side right like you don't think your dad hates you you
01:33:20
Kaylathink he loves you right I mean last thing I said to him after kicked out was like is that I like want to kill myself and he said
01:33:30
Andrew Wilsonhim and his step my stepmom said do it then like and did you no so he saw it as a form of manipulation yeah but like and it was it was it was a form of manipulation right I mean then two years
01:33:42
Andrew Wilsonlater I overdosed and had a heart attack so then yeah but oding is not the same as you trying to intentionally off yourself you can accidentally OD for it
01:33:54
Andrew Wilsonwas purposefully okay so 2 years after this okay which and I'm guessing it's unrelated to this event well probably cuz my dad like never talked to me or checked up on me mhm yeah you got to go
01:34:05
TTS Readerget a taste of the real world right yeah and I got my own car he took away my car mhm and then I got my own car two weeks later yeah you had to experience consequen Metro donated
01:34:16
TTS Reader$200 oh no it's the consequences of my own actions get them Andrew this should be like work for you Brian stop eating the burrito behind the scenes yeah I'm
01:34:28
Andrew Wilsonnot I'm not I'm not even trying to beat you up I'm just trying to well I know I'm I'm just trying to look at it from the other angle here too right yeah I'm 22 now like yeah so the thing is is like consequences right meet meet your maker
01:34:41
Kaylaright but I also thought that it was weird how when my just cuz me and my dad didn't have a good relationship when my Grandpa died nobody told me except my grandma and then I also wasn't allowed to go to the funeral cuz he thought it'
01:34:54
Andrew Wilsonbe weird cuz we were on bad terms yeah cuz you were on bad terms so how would it be weird own Grand well where's the where's the humility where's the like showing up like what about this what have you ever
01:35:06
Andrew Wilsontried this have you ever tried to show up and say look dad I up yeah I did and I'm really sorry and it's not going to happen again I did you did and what does your dad think about only
01:35:17
Andrew Wilsonfans I don't know yeah it doesn't sound it does you don't know no I you don't know what your dad thinks about only fans like I know I don't know exactly what so if you show up and you're like oh hey Dad I prostitute myself out
01:35:29
Andrew Wilsononline for random strangers to give me money while they see my naked body but you know what I'm really sorry about all the stuff I did you think he thinks you're serious sorry about like the actions I've done yeah yeah I don't know
01:35:41
Andrew Wilsonhow that's related to what my job is because this you are the bear your family's name do you think your dad wants his family name drug through the mud by oh here's my daughter oh yeah by
01:35:53
Andrew Wilsonby the way you can go look at all of her nudie picks online it just cost you $9.99 Chuck H well maybe I wouldn't have done that if I was sleeping in my car it's like 18 years old maybe you wouldn't be sleeping in your car if you hadn't been monumentally making the
01:36:06
Andrew Wilsonmistake of not following the rules of your home well it's both of our faults not I don't think so it sounds like it's your fault sounds like sounds like here's the rules you broke them consistently over and over and he 86ed
01:36:19
Kaylayour ass he said get out right he said get out go go out in the world and I'm low key glad he did that cuz I meet a lot of people my age and they don't know how anything in the real world works that's right they don't yeah and so he
01:36:31
Andrew Wilsongave you a good taste of that and you know but I'm going to I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you this if you dropped the off tomorrow all that tomorrow you went to your dad and you said listen I up and it's not ever going to happen again it it would
01:36:41
Andrew Wilsonbe reconciled five I bet you anything no I bet you would you don't know him he's just a man no no okay well I it it sounds to me this is a story I hear
01:36:52
Andrew Wilsonoften right from young women was like I'm a victim oh my horrible father did all these hor and then you get into the story and it turns out well actually I was a right I tried to get revenge I broke their I tpd his
01:37:04
Andrew Wilsonhouse I did horrible things to him cuz he made me face the consequences of my actions no that was cuz he made my sister cry I vandalized cuz he made my sister yeah I know but here's the thing right is like it it it seems like it's
01:37:17
Andrew Wilsonkind of this Perpetual War I am taking accountability how I literally said all the actions I've done are because are they're based on you so so how's it his fault you say it's both our faults it's
01:37:27
Andrew Wilsonyour fault it is my fault it's your fault but it is also a it's not also it's just just this just your fault you
01:37:37
Andrew Wilsonup yeah yeah what there no also no also stop that part just me I up there's like a people react and when you're a
01:37:48
Kayla17-year-old girl like you're literally not even an adult yet so can you you were a week away from being 18 but you really think an 18-year-old is like actually an adult like legally
01:38:00
Andrew Wilsonthey are but do you do you expect them to if you're willful and disobedient inside your father's home what other recourse does he have but to say go taste the world and then when you do and
01:38:12
Andrew Wilsonyou realize how awful it can be without dad's protection perhaps you'll come come around at some maybe it's cuz when I was like 10 and like having a tantrum
01:38:22
Kaylaas a kid nor normal 10-year-old thing mhm um maybe regular timeout would have been cool but he literally take my mouth shut take my arms off my back take me to
01:38:35
Andrew Wilsona chair and put me in the garage for the night okay well that's different so there's probably that's probably why that's well that's a threshold lineation now well I'm I'm just going to intervene this is obviously making her
01:38:46
Andrew Wilsonuncomfortable there's so what if it makes I'm saying is is hang on hang on why does everybody need to intervene for an uncomfortable conversation going to be uncomfortable she's fine it's fine let us finish the combo wait wait really
01:38:57
Brian Atlasquick really quick really quick what what's the purpose of your intervention sto the conversation no no no no I'm just saying that okay you're making the point that she did a lot of things and
01:39:09
Jordanshe faced consequences her dad forced her to face those consequences but we're also hearing little Snippets of how her childhood was not the best and she was not treat she was not treated the way
01:39:21
Andrew Wilsonshe should we started to hear this yeah but like yeah because we're peeling back the onion that's what I'm doing right and so now we're getting into the heart of the conversation I'm not excusing that I'm not like listen I'm not
01:39:33
Kaylaexcusing that that's a whole different level of right so that I think that is kids act out because they don't feel loved because he treated me like that as a young kid because of his actions that's probably why I acted out as a
01:39:45
Andrew Wilsonteenager you learn about this in like child um psychology why do you act that out as a teenager because I finally had freedom to do anything like I had a car and I do stuff mhm so so was it because you taped your arms behind your back when you're a kid or is it because when
01:39:58
Leahyou felt like you could do the thing you wanted to do you wanted to do it and you did it yeah cuz I'm finally my like self without like go ahead you know I think that there's still accountability for being
01:40:10
Leahlike a father and like providing a stable relationship with your daughter and if she acts out to provide a punishment that fixes the behavior not worsens it down the line like I don't
01:40:22
Andrew Wilsonreally agree with extreme corporal punishment and things like that and like there's literally psychology and like but we're not talking about extreme corporal punishment it's not corporal punishment to set boundaries inside of your home and if a person does not
01:40:34
Leahadhere to the boundaries you don't allow them to be in their your home anymore I just mean like in the specific example like the relationship and the upbringing that she may have had was not a regular
01:40:45
Leahstable relationship like it's harder as a young person to know how to feel how to express yourself when you are taught that it's met with yeah okay okay I get all that but the thing is is like we learn literally learned about the taping
01:40:58
Andrew Wilsonof the arms and one minute ago so before that the idea here was only that okay these were consequences which were set down for the actions that you did right which you said I take accountability for those actions now
01:41:11
Kaylasuddenly there's a pivot to when I was 10 I got duct taped and this and that but what I'm saying before there was none of that well that's what I was saying was uncomfortable for her to speak up about the taping behind back he
01:41:20
Kaylatreated me as a kid that does impact how I will like like progress yeah progress and like you like able to handle my own
01:41:32
Jwesemotions like it it it traumatizing as a kid so then I it's just weird I would think he would lead with that right think he would Le with no not really personally you don't want to out your parents out my dad on this the things
01:41:44
Kaylahe's I would not I only bring that up now because like cuz you're pressing her you're acting like I aming I was only acting out as a teen but you don't know what I went through well I mean that's
01:41:55
Andrew Wilsontrue but it's like there's no way for me to there's no way for me to do anything but take your word to it right so I just will I'm just saying that it's very normal for teenagers to act out and be ridiculous and face
01:42:08
Andrew Wilsonconsequences for that and then to cope later and say the reason that is because um you know such and such is just a real meany head and then you get into the heart of it and you find out well wait actually you're were just kind of an
01:42:19
Andrew Wilsonright you're just probably an cuz how he treated me when I couldn't defend myself yeah well I don't know about that part right I just heard about it a minute ago so it's like leading by
01:42:31
Leahexample you know like if your parental figures are not you know not necessarily A+ but if they do things that kind of disobey your boundaries and like make you feel scared to talk about how you feel or whatever it kind of closes off
01:42:42
Andrew Wilsonthat part of like your life I don't know yeah but sometimes it's good those are boundaries parents have to have boundaries too so parents are going to set up boundaries too they're going to be like okay look like I don't want to hear
01:42:54
Andrew Wilsonyou know excuses for X Y and Z just do it right that's totally that's totally reasonable and rational the problem is is that it seems to me that modern women especially and this was
01:43:06
Andrew Wilsonit's not just modern okay even in the90s when I was growing up this was a thing um that you know teenage women were
01:43:17
Brian Atlasoften the difference between you and I as a first generation Asian-American is that when I messed up growing up I got my ass whooped and learned from it actions have consequences let's face it thank you who cares for the TTS appreciate it you said when you in the
01:43:30
Andrew Wilson'90s when you were growing up yeah even when in the 90s when I was growing up uh teenagers had huge issues with authority if you weren't bending over to kiss a
01:43:40
Andrew Wilsongirl's ass right then you were a mean abusive you know whatever um and this trend has just kind of continued right where women try to dictate what Behavior parents are supposed to have or not have
01:43:51
Leahand it's all based around femin it no masculinity which is the consequence part and the consequence part is the important part I think it's how you execute that I think it's really
01:44:02
Leahimportant to like make it known to your child like hey I still love you and even though that's a feminine approach true cuz I'm a woman know and I'm giving you the non-feminine appro I'm saying that
01:44:13
Andrew Wilsonthe the non-feminine approach is to say okay you up here's the consequence not an affirmation of like you can do whatever you want and you will still have unfettered access to me
01:44:24
Leahwhat I mean is I'm agreeing with you so I agree I think grid One Motorsports donated $200 And1 thank no one has a regular stable
01:44:36
TTS Readerrelationship parents make mistakes but does not excuse your bad behavior and poor Life Choices coping and seething about the past does know good get your shot I don't know like interestingly
01:44:49
Andrew Wilsonenough she take took way more responsibility for the things that she did than most of the women who on here to be perfectly honest like I'll I'll give that credit to you uh grid one thank you for the TTS you were saying
01:45:00
Leahyou were you were you were saying you agree with Andrew but well I more like and um what I mean is like how you go about you know repercussions for your
01:45:12
Leahactions with your child is really important I feel and it's like the stability and consistency of that you know it's not like oh I spoke out of turn and now I'm scared of my safety
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Leahit's like oh I spoke I've turn I'll go to timeout you know it's like the difference in level of severity and irregularity of that what's too severe I think it's kind of hard to pinpoint that's
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Andrew Wilsonright it's hard to pinpoint social because it's hard to pinpoint right we're in this kind of nebulous area of we know it when we see it so like I would you and I would agree duct taping
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Andrew Wilsona child in a garage that's too severe right that's that's way too much right on the other hand you've consistently broken my rules nonstop and are causing nothing but Discord in our household you need to go go I don't
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Leahthink that's too severe that I understand I think it's like more so how she was brought up and like the longevity and like of being around a guardian who does things that
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Leahliterally makes it so you can't trust them like that's a hard predicament to be in and I understand wanting to rebel and wanting your own independence would I agree with fear your parents sorry
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Leahwhat you think you should fear your parents I think fear has a lot of meanings to different people I think it's the kind and like what it does to your body it's like very evasive yeah
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LeahI'm sorry um for me I myself was in a unhealthy situation with my upbringing it was um not great it's why had so much therapy and like I'm myself rebelled I
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Andrew Wilsonwould say but do you think it's a do you think a child should fear their parents honestly no I mean I feel like you should this is the feminine versus the masculine approach right I would I feared my dad I feared the consequences
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Andrew Wilsonof I loved him and still do love him to death great man out of my yeah great man but I was terrified if I up that my old man was going to just lay into me and he would yeah right and so you know
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Andrew Wilsonwhat I didn't do I didn't up that's why I have a clean criminal record right that's why I've never been to jail that's why I've never uh really had any of these substance abuse issues none of that right yeah I think think it's also
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Leahlike important cuz I think boys should honestly have a masculine figure in the house so girls I agree yeah um and like for me I never had my mom never had
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01:47:45
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Kaylaat you if you want to do a response or um that's cool but I don't really want to be a physician okay like you were
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Leahsaying do you recall I havehd I'm sorry okay okay yeah so I was saying like you know what it was yeah I think that it is definitely a feminine approach to not
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Leahwant to like fear your guardian or whatever but like Andrew gave a really example because in his case I'm assuming from what I've heard I don't know him that well that his father did it in a
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Leahway that really brought him up and like and forced being a good kid or something like that his father would kick his ass if he if he messed up yeah you know um in my case it was like my mom has mental
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Leahhealth issues and she would act out of turn and say if I left a dish in the sink well suddenly things are being thrown at me so it was like for me I was in a constant state of fear not in like
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Jakea oh I'm scared sure but I'm not talking about fear in the sense that like you're fearing for your safety just just for nothing I'm talking about fear in the sense of fear of consequences I think that should be a thing I think that it's
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Leahimportant to have a parental role with someone who you respect enough to adhere to their lessons and which of the parents do you think is more likely to instill the fear of consequences so I'm not the best person for this because I never had a simple question which parent
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Jakedo you think is more likely to instill a fear of consequences mother or the father for me it was my mother I didn't have any example of of a father no boyfriends nothing so I so traditionally do you think that it's the father's job to instill consequences When the Children act badly Trad yeah
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Jaketraditionally yeah yeah so that's a healthy fear to have yeah if it's executed like that yeah yeah no I would agree and I'd say for for girls and boys
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Jakejust the same but today in this sort of hyper like hyper feminine world that we live in the mother's parenting tactic is
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Jakeseen as as the the best parenting tactic who says that well I think that just in general these days when it comes to Parenting we see a lot of you know put them in the corner and then tell
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Jakethem that you love them and then that's the way that you discipline a child but the F the father's parental tactic is very different to that the father's parental tactic isn't oh I love you so much and you messed up the father's
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Leahparental tactic is you up here's the consequences that's it yeah I think teamwork is really crucial um in regular households cuz they are same sex couples and stuff um I think it's like valuable
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Leahbecause both genders add different insights to the relationship and different people take on different kinds of roles and I think that like traditionally the man of the household does generally have that portion of
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Leahresponsibility yep and you think that's just as important as the loving and caring aspect of it yeah it's yin and yang as long as it's done in a way that like is healthy to that family Dynamic did you have a father figure who you
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Leahwere feared consequences from the thing is um my dad wanted me aborted so he kind of dipped the moment my mom did so you didn't have a father figure that you Fe consequences of none I only had
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Jakemy mom and she was very intense I still love her we're on good terms but yeah lots lots of the times when single mother households will produce this sort of thing yeah there's hella studies on it I
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Jordanthink obviously it's better to have both parents cuz you do need I mean having a mom is a crucial role like growing up my dad was extremely hard and strict and he was a
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Jordandisciplinary so I feared my dad growing a if I did something wrong but I knew I could go my to my mom's room and lay
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Jordanwith her and she'd you know scratch my head and I had that balance I think in this case she didn't have that balance and her dad probably took the
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Jordandisciplinary actions too far as we learned and so she didn't have that she didn't have the mom role there and on on that occasion where he tied her up that
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Jakewas definitely an occasion where he took it to I'm sure that's not the only one kicking her out and you said you went to school drunk when you were 15 it seems like like we said there was a series of actions that led up to that consequence but do you not think that might and
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Kaylathat's the anger and the resentment that came out because of it you don't think that might be like an outcome of how I was disciplined per too hard the thing is like that's all we have to go on