She Dated TRISTAN TATE?! 6 Years Celibate?! Men Should Pay For EVERYTHING?! | Dating Talk #193

Date: 2024-09-04

Duration: 7h 10m

Guests

Brian Atlas

TTamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)>

FFaith (DT193)>

JJamie (DT193)>

RRaina (DT193)>

LLaura (DT193)>

AAngelic (DT193)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Jamie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Nicollet(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Angelic(guest)

SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_13Laura(guest)

Key Moments

OtherTamara recounts one date with Tristan Tate in Romania: he was disheveled, talked only about money, Andrew Tate walked in and Tristan rushed her out. She described him as insecure and scared of his brother.

“I had one date with Tristan Tate...he cried like a bleep”

OtherNicollet's first date story: man met her at strip club, brought her flowers on his own birthday (first date), met his parents the next day.

“his birthday he brought me beautiful bouquet of flowers he wants to pursue something serious with me”

QuoteNicollet: 'I'm 24, turning 25 in a couple of weeks, I'm too old to help build a man up.'

“personally myself I turned 25 in a couple of weeks I'm too old to help build a man up”

QuoteLaura describes marrying husband when he had no money; dates were creative and inexpensive (chips/guac, feeding ducks at a lake). He grew into a provider after children.

“I expected him to like if we you don't have money then go buy like a loaf of bread and we're going to go give them to the Ducks at the lake”

ControversyAndrew calls Nicollet a 'gunt' during the Bible/men-pay-for-dates debate. Escalates into back-and-forth about hypocrisy. Nicollet retaliates.

“you have a gunt I'm not going to take lip from a woman with a gunt ever”

OtherLooks ratings round: Nicollet self-rates 10 (up from 9 on prior appearance). Brian self-rates 6. Andrew self-rates 4. Nicollet rates Brian 8 or 8.5.

“we're going to go uh we'll do uh Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale”

QuoteTamara (also an OF creator for 6 years) tells Nicollet she disagrees with her work but thinks she is funny and does not judge her as a person.

“I don't see any I'm not saying I see you any different I'm just saying that what you do like for your job I disagree with”

Key MomentCari (pro-life missionary) and Nicollet debate abortion. Nicollet reveals she regularly visits Planned Parenthood and engages with pro-life protesters outside.

“I pull up and I speak to those women outside I do”

Key MomentBrian asks Nicollet whether God wants her to do porn/OnlyFans/stripping. She acknowledges God would prefer she not do it. Andrew challenges what it means to be a Christian.

“do you think God wants you to do porn and only fans in stripping”

OtherBody count round: Nicollet ~30s, Jamie 1, several guests 1-2, one at 7, one refuses to share. Andrew debates the person who refuses to share despite claiming body count does not matter.

“what's your body count starting with”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status

Brian introduces guests. Each gives name/age/location/occupation. Relationship status round: Ana (3-month relationship), Tamara (single, dated Tristan Tate), Faith (single 3 years), Jamie (single/celibate 6 years), Raina (single 9 months), Nicollet (single 2 years, ~1 week celibate), Laura (married 7 years), Noel (never dated), Angelic (single 2.5 years). Panel discusses Latina crazy stereotype and ethnicity/crazy rankings.

Tristan Tate story (Tamara)

Tamara recounts visiting Tristan Tate in Romania (~June 2024). Three years of online contact. He wanted anal sex via WhatsApp before she arrived. He appeared disheveled, only talked about money and assistant. Andrew Tate walked in; Tristan rushed her out. Tamara described him as insecure and a puppet controlled by Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate was re-arrested the day after her friends 'threatened' Tristan online. Panel discusses embarrassing date stories (Brian's catfish/Habsburg jaw date story).

Men should pay on first dates debate

Extended debate on whether men should pay for first dates. Panel show-of-hands: most women say yes. Andrew Wilson argues the position is hypocritical if women resist traditional gender roles in other areas (stay-at-home motherhood, etc.). Nicollet says she wouldn't go on a second date if man split the check. Discussion of male earning potential vs. current income. Laura shares story of dating husband when he had no money but showed ambition. Angelic and others discuss ChivalrY vs. financial provision. Debate on 'high value' definitions — Nicollet claims rich men approach her at strip club.

Looks ratings round

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Going around the table: Nicollet 10 (down from 9 last time), Ana 9, Faith 5, Raina 8, Jamie 8, Tamara 6, Laura (says 4 but 8 when skinny), Noel 8, Angelic 8, Brian self-6, Andrew self-4. Nicollet rates Brian an 8/8.5. Debate on whether Nicollet is hotter now vs. her first appearance 2 years ago.

OnlyFans / sex work ethics debate

Andrew and Tamara argue against normalizing OnlyFans/sex work. Nicollet defends her choices; argues she feels no harm and gains confidence. Tamara admits most OF girls entered from insecurity or trauma; argues it should not be normalized. Discussion of whether OF is pornography. Nicollet recounts uploading to PornHub 7 years ago for free, football team history. Andrew argues about intent vs. effect on society (little Johnny watching OF). Jamie argues porn harms men (brain scans) but debate on consumer vs. producer responsibility. Cari (pro-life missionary) speaks about abortion clinic work; soy boy beta males segment.

Abortion debate

Cari (pro-life missionary) explains her work outside abortion clinics. Laura and Tamara engage on men's reproductive rights. Debate on whether men should have a say in abortion. Nicollet argues from pro-choice perspective. Laura argues it is deeply unfair to men who have no choice but must pay child support.

Christianity, morality, and sex work

Nicollet claims to be a Christian while doing sex work. Andrew challenges whether she qualifies as Christian. Laura and Andrew debate first miracle of Jesus (water into wine). Discussion of whether doing OnlyFans/stripping is compatible with Christian faith. Andrew asks whether God or devil would prefer Nicollet do OnlyFans — she says the devil.

Man vs bear / safety / serial killer women

Panel discusses the viral 'would you rather encounter a man or bear in the woods' question. Andrew argues by the same logic men should refuse female nurses (women serial killers in caretaker roles). Multiple guests pick bear.

Body count round

Body count question raised by Madison (off-camera). Going around table: Nicollet ~30, Ana 2, Jamie 1 (only partner), one person 7, several say 1 or 2, one refuses to share. Andrew debates whether body count matters if someone refuses to share it.

Roast session

Panel takes turns roasting each other and reading TTS donations roasting guests. Nicollet is a primary target. Unknown male co-host (SPEAKER_09) asks 'what would you do if you had no vagina' hypothetical. Smash or pass segment near end.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonnightclub or because it's like quiet out there like there's no CS so you walk around the forest alone I know I know but but just so you know by the same logic women do hunt men and there are

Andrew Wilsonmany many women who are serial killers maybe more than even men they just do it in vulnerable positions usually nurses us n usually as caretakers usually in those okay you're such a sister wrong oh

Andrew Wilsonmy God I am sorry I didn't hear what you said I don't speak ho but anyway uh back to where I was before I was so rudely

Andrew Wilsoninterrupted umn yeah so so by the same logic ni the they men shouldn't go to hospitals and things like this because that's where the Predators are

Andrew Wilsonright that's for you I think can you repeat the question yeah so um women also are serial killers and hunt down men and do horriable things to them they just do it

Andrew Wilsonwhen men are in vulnerable positions usually as nurses women do this in caretaker positions they do this they usually do it from those positions so if

Andrew Wilsonif your logic is shound that men are going out to Forest some men are going out to Forest to hunt down women then this Lo by this logic men should basically demand to never have a female

Nicolletnurse right because that's where women go to hunt down men right if that's what they feel comfortable with like if they feel comfortable only with the male nurse then sure the majority of nurses

Lauraare all women that's super dangerous almost all of them yeah yeah that's super dangerous for a man to be like I want a male nurse what if like if that's your preference like I don't have anything wrong before we have too much

Brian Atlasof a back and forth there were two others who picked bear uh just curious to hear your guys is input on uh why why do you pick bear over

Nicolletman we'll start with you why not I feel like you know what to expect with a bear like the worst they can do is kill you mhm but for a man uh it could be

Nicolletworse and I feel like with a bear it's like I think it's like for a Grizzly you just like play dead and if it's like a black bear you like make loud noises to scare them off so I feel like if it comes to

Nicolletlike if it comes to a point where they like try to attack you you kind of know what to do if that makes sense what would you do if they attack you fight them off I'll die I don't care oh oh I you know uh I

Brian Atlashave one follow-up question but I want to just get your uh why why do you pick there I honestly kind of want to change CU I don't want to die so don't want to

TTS/Donationsdie I would rather encounter a man in whatever that leads to than the bear could be man could kill you thecore random uncore bear donated

TTS/Donations$100 would you like to go on the date a picnic lunch I'm 78 in tall with a bite force of £1,200 you bring the meat I will bring

Brian Atlasthe wine 5050 speaking of which uh TTS is now 100 we've lowered the TTS to 100 if you guys want to uh get it in uh

Brian Atlasthank you random bear we have a meme about this uh Brown bear 9 ft tall 1300

Brian Atlaslb 4 in by force Pelt speed Kyle 510 o74 lbs project engineer excuse me said hi to you at the

Brian Atlasgym poor cow poor I definitely changed my answer now definitely bear wow you switched I'm just kidding um I I did have a kind of

Brian Atlasdifferent question so here's the Andrew tell me what you think about this one cuz I think it's actually quite good so you're spawned

Brian Atlasinto a forest with a bear now you can choose to either spawn alone or with a man who has a

Brian Atlasfirearm do you choose to spawn into the forest alone with the bear or into the forest with the bear with a man who has

Brian Atlasa firearm that could kill the bear he's a total stranger total stranger so he might kill the bear but then afterwards he might kill you

Nicolletknow I'll choose him yeah well let's start here um yeah I would choose the man because I don't know I have a better chance of surviving since he has a

Jamiefirearm okay myself alone still spawn alone in the forest okay um the man with the firearm okay I'd still be myself in the

Laurabear still okay alone with the bear the guy with the gun okay yeah I'm from Texas everyone like around me has Firearms I'd go alone wait was your

Andrew Wilsonanswer bear last time or man it was man wait but now you pick the bear wait I'm I'd go

Andrew Wilsonalone with a bear yeah no no no so there's a conflation which happened so an earlier answer was I would go alone and so she thought that was an option which you had offered even though it

Brian Atlaswasn't to the to the second question that I asked yeah so so the gal on this side uh who's wearing the um the black

Andrew Wilsonshirt headset she would come in alone and and you just kind of granted okay you thought that that meant alone with the bear but she just meant I would

Andrew Wilsonspawn in alone and so uh so this this scal thinks that that was an actual ual option even though it wasn't wait who

Andrew Wilsonwho answered that way so from my perspective on my right third down oh you said alone but alone with the bear yeah okay I think she knows it's alone with the bear yeah I know but that's

Andrew Wilsonwhere the confusion is is because she just said alone and so then when it got to the other side of the table she thought alone was an answer that's why you keep saying alone with a bear and she keeps saying alone because you're talking past each

Brian Atlasother I spawn in alone and encounter the bear okay by myself but previously you

Nicolletsaid you'd encounter the man hopefully he doesn't have a weapon on him if I'm encountering a man I'm hoping

Nicolletthat he does not have a weapon on him when I see him now if he does then I have to take my chances which is why I started with a man but if he automatically has a firearm I'd rather

Brian Atlasgo Al but the bear is still there even with the man with the gun right yes yeah okay so it switched previously she said she'd prefer the man over the bear

Brian Atlasbut now she prefers the bear over the bear and the armed man because the man is armed and the men can

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)shoot the bear that's nice he can also shoot me but he will not die

Brian Atlasbefore let's hope okay Angelic you're in answer to this the man okay the man all right um Andrew do you think that's a a

Andrew Wilsongood one to add to this I think it's interesting yeah it's a well it's a good caveat it's just asking he's in he's in the ultimate position of authority so now he has the firearm so before maybe

Andrew Wilsonthe power Dynamic was even that okay he's just potentially physically stronger than you but now he's physically stronger than you and he's armed would that still be more optimal

Andrew Wilsonsituation to spawn into a forest with no gear except this guy and his gun or you with a dangerous animal so I would think that the answer would be obvious um I

Andrew Wilsonwould definitely if I were a woman take my chances with whatever random man with a gun I think that your chance would be significantly better of getting out of that Forest than if you spawn in with a bear

Brian Atlasbut going back to the original question I think you uh you said it's 50/50 that so let me maybe ask the question a bit more pointed what percentage of men do you think would

Nicolletchoose to victimize you in some way in this situation oh I'm not too sure about that I meant it more in the way of I can encounter them and they could either

Brian Atlaskill me or not that's more the way well somebody could or could not do something but the percentage could be skewed there's a 1% chance they could and a 90

Brian Atlas9% chance they couldn't so could or could not doesn't necessarily imply 50/50 right okay yeah I take that back then but like so 50/50 would imply

Brian Atlasthere's a 50% chance they could i% chance they couldn't um so what percentage do you think it is though oh I don't know you don't know I

Andrew Wilsondon't know all right if you had to if you had to uh give a guess you have 10 random men on a wall how many of them

Andrew Wilsonwould you say if they could would do bad things to you if nobody nobody knew that they were going

Andrew Wilsonto maybe like three three so that would be 30% okay sure like I don't know for sure

Andrew Wilsonbut I would say yeah no I understand I understand just uh you're just kind of going off your intuition and your guess 30% and then what about for

SPEAKER_14you I think it's less than that so yeah that's why I changed my answer say okay if you had 10 men 10 random men on a wall how many would you say if they could do bad things to you and nobody would ever know

Nicolletwould out of a 100 I would say like five no 10 10 out of 10 maybe one one so 10% I would say two okay

Andrew Wilsonokay 20% 10 20 30% interesting closer to uh 1%

Andrew Wilsoninteresting or half a percent or. 3% very very very low the amount of uh men who commit violent actions against women or against other men like just just so

Andrew Wilsonyou know like it's it's actually a very low percentage um but I I would I would like to asked this kind of follow-up question I'm just curious about this because Brian introduced this different

Andrew WilsonDynamic so let's say the situation was this you respond into you could pick the man with a gun and you knew that his motivation was that he would not hurt

Andrew Wilsonyou he's not going to hurt you no matter what okay he's not going to actually hurt you but the caveat is you don't know if he's going to share resources or

Andrew Wilsondemand that you give him sexual favor in exchange for him actually doing anything for you while you're in the forest would you still opt for the man

Andrew Wilsonthen like if he's just coexisting with you well he exists there right he's got the gun he's definitely going to be the one who's getting the food but you're not sure if he's going to share the food

Andrew Wilsonwith you and he can make kind of Demands that are mutual right he can say okay I'll share my food with you but uh you know it's going to require some sex or something something like that right

Andrew Wilsonwould would you would you then opt to spawn in with him yes and then I would [ __ ]

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)him nobody is surprised uh I would too actually but I would not like [ __ ] him after I would not choose a

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)bear you would die if I just have to suck his dick to survive yeah fine if you asked me Daddy fine well but you don't you don't have to that's the cop right you don't actually have to

Andrew Wilsonit's just G right I'm not going to share [ __ ] with you if you don't oh then I would just walk on but I would never choose to bear no really but then you

Brian Atlasstarve darling it's good for my diet what are you talking about no it's an that's an interesting one for sure definitely an interesting

Brian Atlasone uh what what was the other thing we had to get to it was uh dating apps dating apps thank you Nick thank you for the reminder # big La matter I don't know

Brian Atlaswhy I just said that right now but ready yeah ready they're they're CLE clean right yeah she's got night mode on

Brian Atlasher Tinder okay uh this is uh or dark mode or whatever Tim Tim

Brian AtlasTima um this is her Tinder I guess next next Scorpio wait go back really quick video chatter trade school

Brian Atlaspresence dog okay interest I guess next okay that's it that's it there's no prompts or anything no oh okay well that's a rather dull Affair uh no just

Brian Atlasbecause there's no prompts uh next one I guess this is Noel this is

Brian Atlasher Tinder I can be funny sometimes okay 5'7 aspiring neurologist if I had 20 minutes left to live I would go to Michaels and buy

Brian Atlasyarn I love Michaels and I love looking at yarn so if I had 20 minutes like the final 20 minutes you wouldn't call your parents

Brian Atlasyour mom they'll understand all right get this scr some yarn uh next like if a if a guy just like showed

SPEAKER_01up on the first day and he just like hear some yarn would it be on it's on like Donkey

Nicollet[ __ ] it would be like flowers showing up with flowers showing up with yarn I'd accept what what it oh it showing up

Brian Atlaswith yarn would I see oh okay uh go back uh looking for shortterm open to Long drinking socially on the weekends

Brian Atlaslove style touch communication Style bad texture wow they really did did a change up with Tinder

Brian Atlashair works out sometimes is there more

Brian Atlasy it's just this a boogie with the hoodie

Brian Atlasokay yarn really okay I don't know what's wrong with the yarn there's nothing nothing wrong with yarn it's just seems a bit you know why is the yarn hurting your feelings it

Nicolletdoes hurt my feelings actually why you said you wanted a girl to make you a cardigan she's that girl Fair Point fair point nette so you want the girl oops

Nicolletwith the yarn to cro or crochet or knit but you don't want her to have the yarn can't you make it out of other materials can you not you would knit with the arm can you do it with wool

Brian Atlasthere's a wool card I'll wo yarn it would still would it still be wo Yar still be yarn you need yarn I don't know enough about you need yarn I'm telling you I

Brian Atlasdon't know enough about yarn to okay I got one more thing for you do you have another react what is it what we have this one oh this I feel like I I have to

Brian Atlaspull this one up in context of uh convo with uh that has to do with uh something [Music] else let me check if we have any chats

Brian Atlasany dating topics anybody wants to uh touch on dating topics red and green flags before we get to that we have the

TTS/Donationsthere oh wait did this already uncore rore bear donated $1100 did it come through would you like to go on okay uh actually I we had notes from you uh

Brian Atlasanother thing from you Jamie you said you said I do disagree how some topics are handled seems a little harsh sometimes but most modern women need a

Brian Atlasreality check so it's warranted that's what you said yes I assume you're talking about Andrew here and definitely not me um let me think and you're way far from

JamieM sorry um yeah but Andrew's real that's what I'm saying like it's harsh but it comes from a place of like realness

Andrew Wilsonall right there you go endorsement and I feel like it's never like outwardly mean sometimes it's me right Andre I usually I usually just match match the energy so if somebody's being if a

Andrew Wilsonwoman's being like an obnoxious [ __ ] then I'll be an obnoxious [ __ ] back but if she's just trying to engage and have a conversation I'm not here to uh purposely go out of my way to insult or

Laurahumiliate anybody I just want to engage with the ideas yes MH I don't know you're a little direct and I was like oh my God I didn't try to be mean yeah I don't feel like I said

TTS/Donationsanything mean to you and I feel like it's also how you receive did I did I wait wait did I say something mean to you well you're you Recon donated

TTS/Donations$200 why is it most women are incapable of logical thinking quit thinking all men want to hurt you we have better things to do # bigia matter Andrew love

Andrew Wilsonyour debates hey thank you Recon for the great support to whatever very kind they've had me on many many times and Brian's had me on many many times make sure you support the channel but uh yeah

Andrew Wilsonback back to this uh I I don't think I actually said anything mean to you at all no no you didn't I'm just hormonal so when you're like stop talking I was like I'm sorry oh no no well okay so I I

Andrew WilsonI will ConEd that that can sound somewhat harsh but try to remember that there's one of me and sometimes when I'm engaging with a single person four other people will cut in and so I have to control the room a bit so that I can

Andrew Wilsonfinish the portion of the conversation but I always want to move to the what the next person's criticism is I just want to finish the engagement that I'm involved in if that makes sense no totally makes sense yeah so I I don't

Andrew Wilsoneven mean that to be harsh I'm just trying to control the room um there's what 1 2 3 4 five 6 7 8 what is there 10 women there right now right so you can imagine if you had four people kind of

Andrew Wilsonshotgunning different points at you if you were in the middle of it's really easy to off escate or uh move off of the topic and so I can't get to the heart of

Andrew Wilsonwhat it is we're discussing and also that's often done as a tactic uh by women who come in in friends groups they try to off escate so that you'll move off of the topic and so I just try to keep it on the topic until we finish the

Lauraengagement and then I can move to whatever the next criticism is I totally get it I I also just had a baby so everything sounds like I'm being attacked that's fair that's fair what

Andrew Wilsonwas your uh what was your after after baby food of choice the first thing you ate I know that that's the most important meal of a woman's life what is it what what was yours um Chipotle

Andrew WilsonChipotle yeah my wife always wanted Pizza it was always pizza with pineapples because she's an evil trador she's an evil Traer but other than that uh you know she's a

Laurapretty good wife can I do a little Shameless plug I just started eating a whole bunch of red meat and veggies and I'm down 35 lbs

Lauraso you know so I ate that chipotle and then I went to work as in went to work with my health nice uh we have a question here would

TTS/Donationsyou rather be the king kilo of cereal donated $100 there needs to be more people with

TTS/Donationsthe mindset of Andrew direct no BS truth don't sugarcoat anything call out lies hypocrisy and corrupt mindsets because that's what is so damaging to

Brian Atlassociety yo kill of Serial really appreciate the TTS man thank you so much appreciate it he's been on fire with the Dons lately yeah kill of cereal by the

Brian Atlasway killer I am I've been Googling seral gifts to like for your custom TTS thing I I haven't found a good one yet but we'll we'll get you a custom thing set

Brian Atlasup here uh soon the question is would you rather be the king's mistress or a peasant's [Music]

Jamiewife a peasant's wife peasant's wife okay peasant's wife peasant's wife

Jamiemhm realistically a king's M mistress okay wife

NicolletKing's mistress peasant's wife peasant's wife peasant's wife peasant's wife H okay were you the only one who said

Brian AtlasKing's mistress no I think another person did oh no sorry that was niolet surprise very surprising very surprising um oh this is this is an

Brian Atlasinteresting question um would you personally would you be personally willing to to give up the occasional cat calling or harassment if it meant that

Brian Atlasyou never got any attention from men or special treatment whatsoever ever again starting with you

Nicolletno no no does that mean like you'll never be in a relationship even after that I was wondering well I guess it's uh you would well you could potentially

Andrew Wilsonbe in a relationship but whatever special privileges that men give you and whatever whatever things that are done in additional to you which is part of female privilege you would no

Brian Atlaslonger ever get again I the way I kind of understand it is the guy's not going to make the first move he's not going to go for the first kiss he's not going to ask you out he's not going to slide into your DMs he won't message you first like

Jamieyou'll have to take all the initiative that men typically take on okay then no I wouldn't give it up okay no I personally don't mind cat calling like

Jamieunless it's not violent or they get close to me but if they're like across the street I don't really care mhm what

Angelicshe said no I wouldn't give it up either no wait I'm sorry uh does that mean like when you're actually in a relationship though or just the beginning cuz to be honest I make the first mov so like I

Angelicdon't really care about that but like when I'm actually in a relationship then I would still want the the like effort and stuff or is it only like just outside cuz we'll just grant it we'll

Andrew Wilsonjust grant that inside of the relationship this it no longer operates this way but you have to take care of everything as the pretense so you have to take care of all the date all the date cost you have to take care of all

Andrew Wilsonthe open doors all chivalry is dead and female privilege is dead women are treated essentially just as interchangeable widgets to men I mean I guess I'll still take the

Brian Atlascat calling I don't really go out anyways sounds fine okay yeah I know I would yeah okay

Brian Atlasinteresting interesting let's see Nick can you uh find uh you know Zach his Instagram y you know the guy right yeah

Brian Atlasuh I I'm friends with this uh this guy his name is Zach and I know some of you are in relationships but let's just you know if you're single um I am trying to do be a little Matchmaker here so I'm

Brian Atlasgonna see if you guys would date him uh so this is Zach and uh great guy wonderful guy

Brian Atlasallaround great guy nice guy sweet guy well voice crack uh so we'll scroll down we'll check out some of his photos

Brian Atlasum that's how he would look if he was bald he plays some video games and he can also protect you with an axe uh so going around the table would you

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)would you date him can I decline to answer so no I thought I would until I saw the

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)picture with a wig because I'm not into feminine men with a with a what a wig I saw a picture with a wig I'm not very into feminine man excuse me but otherwise if he didn't do like the

Nicolletfeminine stuff I I would have okay what about you I would wouldn't wouldn't date him no okay no no no so one of the last

Nicolletguys I banged actually looks like him so yes I would okay I'm

Brian Atlasmarried no I know him but no no you know him all right does it change does it change anything uh Nick scroll all the

Brian Atlasway up to the top he is the owner of otk Network star Forge PCS he's one of the most popular twitch streamers on Twitch

Brian Atlasuh he's a uh millionaire many times over very successful am ambitious question mark he's very successful I don't know

Brian Atlasif he's am I think he's ambitious change anything you said you said you like ambitious guys millionaire doesn't change anything

Brian Atlasthat you still not I've watched him on YouTube but I'm not sure one of his I feel like you guys could almost be related

Brian Atlasyeah maybe why because they look alike or uh I don't know I just you know get

Brian Atlasthat get that get that Vibe get the vibe I don't fairmon or something I don't know nobody doesn't change it for

Brian Atlasanybody no for me as well it doesn't change anything for me as well all right let's see what else we had uh oh would you would you date a guy who is not a

Brian Atlasfeminist and maybe also just add if you're a feminist I guess I what does that defined

Lauraas well there's different definitions is it like third wave feminism um I I suppose

Brian Atlasyeah so wait no you you would you would date a guy who is not a feminist or no you would not date a

Nicolletguy who is not a feminist if he's not a feminist like does he even care about you um and I'm not talking about like an

Brian Atlasextreme feminist just like you know just like a little bit there I would say no I would not and are do you consider yourself a feminist um

Nicolletyeah but not like an extreme one I don't go out shouting I'm a feminist you just whisper it B it on Tik Tok uh what about you I

Nicolletwould date him yeah okay what about you um does a guy have to be a feminist for you to date him I've never really thought about that before but I don't think he needs to label himself like I'm a feminist but what he believes the

Nicolletthings that feminists believe um I wouldn't date him if he was not if if he wasn't a feminist I guess you would not date him okay and are you

Jamiea feminist sure okay uh so would I date a feminist man sorry I'm getting just tired yeah uh sure I would but the

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)question was if he's not feminist yeah Sor sorry he is not a feminist if he's not feminist would you date him if he's not a feminist yes because I believe to people can date and have differing political ideologies are you a feminist

Jamienot a third wave feminist but I believe women should have the same rights in the workplace okay but sure okay what about you I would not date him if he's not

Nicolletokay I'm not a feminist and I wouldn't date a feminist cuz they're

Brian Atlasannoying H Nichol's funny okay what about you yeah my husband's not a feminist and I'm not either what's what's the definition that we're going based on well there's a lot of different

Brian Atlasdefinitions but um a movement and I think Andrew typically says a movement towards egalitarianism or equality with a rejection of patriarchy okay

Nicolletum he would have to be a feminist okay in order for me to date him sorry if I worded that differently than the original question well would if

TTS/Donationshe was not well I guess you're killer of Serial donated $100 get sun get some stay hydrated stay

TTS/Donationsalive keep life in perspective live within your means never give up on yourself Never Surrender to ill will

TTS/Donationslast Q if Trump and carela had baby what

Andrew Wilsonname uh tamali Tamala tamali tala Tamala tral no no no no it would be Barren with two RS

Brian AtlasCricket I don't get it yeah it's a very clever joke two with two I'm not that smart to

Nicolletget that uh Angelic your answer to the question I would date someone who is not a [Music] feminist I'm not a feminist and I would

Brian Atlasnot date a feminist okay some interesting uh different answers here um

Brian Atlasuh why would you not date a guy who is not a

Nicolletfeminist I mean I think hold on that's question wasn't for you the whole te I'm just going off feminist as like very

Nicolletbasic cares about women's equality generally so if he doesn't care about that I just feel like well what if he believes in uh

Nicolletequality but he's not a feminist it depends what we're defining as feminist there's different definitions

Brian Atlasmhm I agree with her well okay I'll go back to the initial question why would you not date somebody a guy who's not a

Nicolletfeminist I I think she answered that no well I mean I'm sure you have your own opinions on this so okay so like he doesn't have to label

Nicollethimself as a feminist like I don't do that but if he thinks that women like deserve unequal pay or some or women

Brian Atlasbelong in the home like I would not date him okay so if he was like if you were dating a guy who's a multi-millionaire and he said get don't worry about a job

Brian AtlasI'm going to take care of you the rest rest of your life stay home take care of the family take care of the kids do you want kids one day yeah yeah you don't have to work forget all that I'll take care of

Brian Atlaseverything that's more like a privilege but like out of necessity like it should be like women should have the ability to do that sure but would you object to a

Brian Atlasman coming along and saying uh I want to provide for everything don't worry about work no I don't think that means he's not feminist I think that just means he

Brian Atlaswants to provide for you I think that's different well I I suppose a male feminist could want to be a provider although I wonder why he would want to um but

Brian Atlasuh okay so you think they should be in favor of equal pay and what was the other reason that you

Nicolletgave um he shouldn't expect that all women stay at home or like Homemakers what if he expects his that's

Nicolletfine that's like for his own okay I'm talking about like for everyone H okay your thoughts on this yeah I think

Nicolletjust like in gender rules like I don't want him to expect me to do anything as a woman like I don't want him to have any certain expectation of he thinks I should do this or that I should do that wait didn't you I'm trying to call back

Nicolletto the beginning of the conversation didn't you say men should pay for first AIDS I said they should yeah but if they don't I'm not saying they have to like I would go 50/50 but I would prefer if

Nicolletthey did so they should they should yeah but it's not like a deal like I'm not like oh like I'm not going to go on the state but isn't that based on a perception of a gender

Nicolletrole yeah but it's not like I'm like I'm like he like he has to I just would prefer that like if he prefers he has to if he's going to date you right no he

Andrew Wilsondoesn't have to I just pref so so you would go on dates with men who you paid for I wouldn't pay for them no I would go 50 yeah no you wouldn't pay for them so then you have a perceived gender rule

Andrew Wilsona stereotypical gender rule that you want him to do right sure so if you have a stereotypical gender role you want him

Nicolletto do why is you are you adverse to him having a stereotypical gender role for you to do cuz if he prefers me to do something it's not like he's like you have to do this is more way I'm looking

Andrew Wilsonat it but if you say you wouldn't date a man if he didn't pay for your date then you're saying he has to pay for the date to date you no he he doesn't have to like I would still go on the date if he

Andrew Wilsondidn't pay for it you just got done saying that you would not pay for a date with a man ever what are you talking about pay for 100% of the date yeah you would do 50/50

Andrew Wilsonyeah I don't think you consider that a gender expectation but but hang on hang on that's still setting an expectation though that if you're not splitting the

Andrew Wilsondate 50/50 that he's going to pay for the date and you're never going to pay for him on the date which is still a stereotypical gender rule they're just

Andrew Wilsonsaying well if we go on a date we can split it or you can pay but I never going to [ __ ] pay will how's it leing into relationship like I will I will

Nicolletfirst dat yeah first dat different like in the relationship I will pay like 100% let's talk about first date then yeah first date I agree I have expectation at least 5050 yeah so you have you have

Brian Atlassome gender roles there though would you be more or less likely to date a guy who is willing to pay for the whole date yeah more likely to date well even if it's not an outright so even if you're

Brian Atlasopen to the idea of going 50/50 even saying I prefer or uh I prefer or this is kind of

Brian Atlasbetter that in and of itself is a uh gendered expectation

Nicolletyeah okay all right so are you holding one standard for you and then one standard for them I think that's a very specific

Nicolletscenar scenario though like I think there's a lot more to being have you ever asked a guy out no okay well there's another one you expect men to

Nicollettake the initiative yeah okay that's a very gendered expectation sorry to put him but I think gender expectations like you can have

Nicolletthat personally for your own relationship but I don't think it should be like your view pushed on to everyone else like not yeah but that really doesn't make much sense because the idea

Andrew Wilsonwas inside of a relationship I don't want a man to have any gendered expectations of me at all it's like okay if that's the case then why would you have gendered expectations of him that's that's bizarre to

Andrew Wilsonme in Rel say you just kind say nobody should have go go ahead I'm sorry

Nicolletrelationship I think it's different than a first date like I don't have I don't think I have those gender rules gender views in a relationship in comparison to a first state what do you

Nicolletwell what do you mean like I don't expect him to pay for everything like in the relationship do you expect him to pay for most things no I think it's situational I think it depends on who makes more money

Nicolletand things like that how many uh how many kids do you want just curious do you want um I don't know yet but if I did maybe to are you going to take maternity

Brian Atlasleave probably how far into the pregnancy do you want to continue working like up until you would other like 8 months 9 months up until I can't probably okay and then how much time do

Brian Atlasyou want to take off after you have a kid um 1 month two months 3 months maybe like the first two months and then straight back to work and then into the

Lauradaycare they go I I mean I don't I'm not there yet but sure yeah maybe yeah okay um I'm there right now and that is not

Nicolletwhat you would want I don't think you get 2 months right you get 6 weeks or 12 weeks like preferably I would want them to be watched by family but I don't know

Laurawhere I'll be when I'm when I have kids so yeah but it is very difficult to leave a two-month-old yeah

Brian Atlasum okay uh I had something else but it slipped in my mind uh what about what about you uh why would you not date a guy who is

Nicolletnot a feminist um it just doesn't align with my morals morals okay and I wouldn't exactly like date a guy who is a feminist there's other qualities that I

Nicolletlook for so yeah but if he wasn't a feminist or if he was not a feminist that would be a deal breaker

Nicolletdepends how um strong of an anti-feminist he is MH very strong yeah very strong

Andrew Wilsonokay yeah I'm not really sure I'm not really sure how you can even have levels to it right you're either Pro femin or Pro feminism or you're not pro feminism right it's like it's it's really just either one or the other I don't know how

Andrew Wilsonyou could just be kind of feminist it's like you just are a feminist and believe in the feminist ideals or you don't I don't I don't really know how you could be in between on that one and I don't think most people know the true

Nicolletdefinition of feminism people equated to like woman's rights cuz the word feminine is in there but that means equal to both sides that means you guys are splitting the first date and

Brian Atlaseverything thereafter yeah so I don't well it's not I mean it's not clear to me if feminism is about equality

Andrew WilsonI think it is I look more for Equity than equality what what do you mean like hang on hang on hang on real quick before you tell us are you about to use a standing on the box analogy to look

Nicolletover a fence that's one yeah yeah okay go ahead let's listen let's hear it well I guess using the one that he said like standing on a box like if one person is short and

Nicolletone person is tall you're not just going to give both of them like one box you're probably going to give the shorter person two boxes

Brian Atlasokay um but is that wait so uh wait just show up hands really quick who here's a feminist I think you you you okay you

Brian Atlasfour uh and do you believe in equality or Equity Equity Equity what's the difference I'm a little confused like I

Nicolletsaid like giving both one box is equality so question on that uh I've heard uh I've heard some feminist arguments

Brian Atlasabout well equality would be for example both men and women being subject to military conscription the way that men are currently but women well women aren't but it would be equality for both men and women to be subject to forced

Brian Atlasmilitary conscription but I've also heard that it's not Equity to have women be uh to uh have to register for the draft Selective Service uh what's your position on that do you think women

Brian Atlasshould be subject to the draft forced military conscription the same way men are or is that it's Equity the way it is currently I think it's just fair the way it is it's fair the way that it is so

Brian Atlasjust to be clear wait wait wait just one one sec So currently men have to register for Selective Service if they don't there's a bunch of NE negative

Brian Atlasramifications they can't vote they miss out on certain uh Federal programs they can't get federal jobs it's technically a felony there's a fine they can face

Brian Atlasprison time um so men can be drafted they have to register for the selective service women don't have to register for the Selective Service they can't be

Nicolletdrafted can you explain to me how that's fair well I feel like men shouldn't have to be but if it had to be one I would say men but I think that sucks if they

Brian Atlashave to wait but so given the reality that men do have to register with the Selective Service and that governments and nations are they're

Brian Atlasnot going to relinquish their right to uh uh force their citizenry into mil into a military conflict um should women equally have to register

Nicollettoo um I personally don't want to but I wouldn't be entirely like against it well it it wouldn't really be like if there was a draft it wouldn't really be your choice

Nicolletright to get drafted right no if I like sign up for it no wait what do you mean I'm confused

Brian Atlaswhat you're asking well so you might be against having to make women be subject to military conscription but if they were subject to military conscription a

Brian Atlaswoman couldn't say well if they do get drafted well don't really want to do that the whole point of a draft military conscription is you you get forced to do

Brian Atlasit right um so are you fine with women being forced into military service the same way men

Andrew Wilsonare yeah I guess can I to us yes um I think real real quick before you before you get into it I'm sorry hold the thought for just a second I just wanted

Andrew Wilsonto ask a quick follow-up question on the idea of the boxes with the looking over the fence in the boxes so the idea here and you can correct if I'm wrong is that if two people are going to look over a

Andrew Wilsonfence one's 5'4 and the other one is 5'9 and the fence is 6t you're going to give one A different Siz box than the other so that both can see over the fence

Andrew Wilsonright that's the idea of equity correct okay why is it though that there should be some obligation that both can look over the

Andrew Wilsonfence like there like why they should look over the fence no why is an obligation to make sure both

Andrew Wilsoncan um just so they can I don't know I didn't think of it that deep no so there should be there should be a

Andrew Wilsonreason why we want both people to look over the fence the explanation for what Equity is is saying that both people should be able to look over the fence and if they both should be able to we're giving them different sized boxes so

Andrew Wilsonthat one has a leg up over the other so that the both of them can but why in the world do we have the expectation that both

Andrew Wilsonshould cuz it's fair fair well it doesn't seem very fair if if you get a box that's bigger than my box because of my immutable characteristics for how I was born my

Andrew Wilsonheight in this case it seems like that's unfair to me but you're both looking over the box I mean over the fence yeah so what that's still you still get a bigger box though that's not fair and

Andrew Wilsonyou're still looking over the fence yeah but I don't have as big a box why can't I we would still both be looking over the fence if we both had the same size box what you're wanting to say is like equal opportunity for instance for

Andrew Wilsoninstance if you needed a 4-in box to look over the fence and now they needed a 2-in box to look over the fence wouldn't we both still be looking over the fence if we had a 4-in box

Nicolletyeah I'll just uh leave it there um I want to put in the idea of equal value so I'm not against gender

Nicolletrules whatsoever I actually do follow them to an extent um but in the case of like serving in the military I don't think women should have

Nicolletto be expected to do that men are physically stronger they can be a value in that way and women can be of value in another way and I think it's I'm not like taking equality literally as we

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)have to do equal we have to do the same things but we can do different things and they're equal in value but as a woman you cannot say I want to go into the military want to have the same payment and then when the war breaks out

Brian AtlasI want to stand in the kitchen you cannot do that they have to do the same thing as a man does right do you think like for example so there's ranks in the military women are able to volunteer for

Brian Atlasthe uh military uh despite there being different physical requirement ments uh my understanding I'm not an expert in the military uh if you're the same rank

Brian Atlasas a man I'm pretty sure you get paid the same now maybe somebody who's been in the military maybe if like your job designation is there a difference in Pay even if you're the same rank if your job

Brian Atlasin the military is different so one person there they um are uh infantry and this other person they're a mechanic I don't know

Andrew Wilsonanybody in the military can answer this I'm not sure but yes there's all sorts of different things there's combat pay there's Hazard pay there's all sorts of things that you get if you're in a combat zone versus if you're station

Andrew WilsonState side and you're you know like uh uh doing payroll and things like that there's all sorts of different uh various pay scales even within the pay scale so you have two e4s one is in Iraq

Andrew Wilsonthey're going to get a separation from family pay they're going to get Hazard pay they're going to get combat pay they get all all sorts of additional incentives and pay for being in combat

Brian Atlasso it's not uh it's not just uniform across the board on pay sure uh I guess so back to your point you said well uh men are stronger so then would you be in

Nicolletfavor of uh barring women from volunteering for the military I think they could have the opportunity I don't think it should be a

Brian Atlasrequirement right but you said well when it comes to the draft men are physically stronger so it should be men yeah and not women well so then should they then be

Brian Atlasbarred from volunteering if they're not as capable cuz that's what you're seeing right women aren't as capable no that's not what I'm saying well if they're just as capable why can't we draft them for military

Brian Atlasservice yeah honestly they aren't wait we're talking about physical strength like I think that's well let's AR you could draft women I

Brian Atlasmean I'm frankly in favor they can go to the front line but um you can draft women and they can

Brian Atlasperform uh auxiliary sort of jobs in the military they can the military needs uh paper pushers they can there's a bunch of stuff that they can do in the military

Andrew Wilsonthat doesn't necessarily involve correct Cor to to further this point uh for you Brian uh it's something around 1 to 2%

Andrew Wilsonof actual military personnel I believe who actually fight in any sort of combat situation right and that's during wartime even it's a very low percentage of people who actually fight combat with

Nicolleteverybody else being in a position of support yeah a lot of support roles so yeah so that's kind of what I meant by equal value so women can be in a support role and it's still just as valuable

Andrew Wilsonuh it's not as it's not I don't know if that's as valuable I don't know if that's as valuable fact the military itself doesn't think it's just as valuable which is why they give different ribbons and different metals and different accommodations for people

Andrew Wilsonwho are in different jobs they don't even consider them to have the same value so for instance uh you're not going to get uh a combat metal if you weren't in combat for instance that's um that's how that would work so even the

Andrew Wilsonmilitary does not scale these equally and consider some to have more Merit than others some to have more dangerous jobs than others okay yeah I see what you're saying I'm talking about value

Andrew Wilsonmore in terms of gender generally yeah I don't understand though how how that would equate what would the value be women can't be deployed to combat they would be a liability

Andrew Wilsonright I don't think there would be a liability wait you you don't think so so so let me uh let's pretend for a second uh let us let us just uh do a

Andrew Wilsonquick mental exercise there is a there's a tactic which was used often in the Vietnam War where what would happen is a Vietnamese sniper would a wound

Andrew Wilsonpurposely wound an American GI in the middle of a field in order to make the other GIS have to go out to rescue them presenting additional targets for them that sniper to shoot it was a very effective tactic it's been used in many

Andrew Wilsonwartime situations if you were the enemy and women were on the opposite side in a combat role would you not sexually assault them and make them scream as

Brian Atlasloud as possible so that then their side would come out to rescue them Andrew I got to interrupt you really quickly we have uh we have Sho on head in the chat uh Shu on head hey appreciate your

Andrew Wilsoncomment you still owe me an interview Shu on head you know your H I talk to your husband all the time and he's pretty based you're not that based but he's pretty based

Andrew Wilsonand so I know if so facto then this means that you owe me an interview I don't I don't I don't know where I was going with that but she owe me an interview and and we need to get shoe on head on the panel shoe on head you got

Brian Atlasto join the panel you got to join the panel look I know I know we don't have I know it's we're shooting in 4k I know we don't have your you know what we'll downgrade the cameras to a shitty webcam

Brian Atlasokay we'll get you is she still in the chat Shu are you in the chat uh we'll get you uh we'll get you on the show Shu we'll get you webcam okay we'll get you

Brian Atlaswebcam 480p is that good we'll get you 480p webcam okay I know uh so uh I I like her videos though I like she she's

Andrew Wilsonfunny um but uh yeah anyway sorry I didn't mean to interrupt but I people were saying she was in the chat so yeah I was just saying like if if I was in charge of of an army and I was facing

Andrew Wilsonoff against another Army that had women in combat my number one goal would be to capture and then and do horrible things to those women and make it as public as possible to demoralize the opposition would don't you think that that would be

Nicolleta highly effective tactic it would yeah so I'm sorry to interrupt I think we lost one so can we move the chair and get more room is she

Brian Atlasgoing for did she I don't see her but like I'm almost close to tapping out oh okay uh I think what we'll do is we we'll put uh we'll

Brian Atlasput let's put Morgan over there Morgan can you uh take the empty seat [Music] um Sho do you have Instagram should me shoot us a DM on Instagram we'll get something say you said she said

Brian Atlassomething funny she said she doesn't like Dutch women sorry that's she's Dutch Sho um uh Shu shoot us a DM on Instagram we'll we'll get something uh what's your

Andrew Wilsonproblem with Dutch people Amsterdam's actually my one of my favorite cities uh I've been there three times really like it I know them very well well that's my problem with them uhoh bunch of bunch of [ __ ] cheap skates bunch of cheap SK

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)are known far and wide for being [ __ ] cheap we not spend at all that's true no not at all yeah we do not tip as you have hair and everything no isn't that just Europeans though we tip a little

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