She Dated TRISTAN TATE?! 6 Years Celibate?! Men Should Pay For EVERYTHING?! | Dating Talk #193

Date: 2024-09-04

Duration: 7h 10m

Guests

Brian Atlas

TTamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)>

FFaith (DT193)>

JJamie (DT193)>

RRaina (DT193)>

LLaura (DT193)>

AAngelic (DT193)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Jamie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Nicollet(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Angelic(guest)

SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_13Laura(guest)

Key Moments

OtherTamara recounts one date with Tristan Tate in Romania: he was disheveled, talked only about money, Andrew Tate walked in and Tristan rushed her out. She described him as insecure and scared of his brother.

“I had one date with Tristan Tate...he cried like a bleep”

OtherNicollet's first date story: man met her at strip club, brought her flowers on his own birthday (first date), met his parents the next day.

“his birthday he brought me beautiful bouquet of flowers he wants to pursue something serious with me”

QuoteNicollet: 'I'm 24, turning 25 in a couple of weeks, I'm too old to help build a man up.'

“personally myself I turned 25 in a couple of weeks I'm too old to help build a man up”

QuoteLaura describes marrying husband when he had no money; dates were creative and inexpensive (chips/guac, feeding ducks at a lake). He grew into a provider after children.

“I expected him to like if we you don't have money then go buy like a loaf of bread and we're going to go give them to the Ducks at the lake”

ControversyAndrew calls Nicollet a 'gunt' during the Bible/men-pay-for-dates debate. Escalates into back-and-forth about hypocrisy. Nicollet retaliates.

“you have a gunt I'm not going to take lip from a woman with a gunt ever”

OtherLooks ratings round: Nicollet self-rates 10 (up from 9 on prior appearance). Brian self-rates 6. Andrew self-rates 4. Nicollet rates Brian 8 or 8.5.

“we're going to go uh we'll do uh Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale”

QuoteTamara (also an OF creator for 6 years) tells Nicollet she disagrees with her work but thinks she is funny and does not judge her as a person.

“I don't see any I'm not saying I see you any different I'm just saying that what you do like for your job I disagree with”

Key MomentCari (pro-life missionary) and Nicollet debate abortion. Nicollet reveals she regularly visits Planned Parenthood and engages with pro-life protesters outside.

“I pull up and I speak to those women outside I do”

Key MomentBrian asks Nicollet whether God wants her to do porn/OnlyFans/stripping. She acknowledges God would prefer she not do it. Andrew challenges what it means to be a Christian.

“do you think God wants you to do porn and only fans in stripping”

OtherBody count round: Nicollet ~30s, Jamie 1, several guests 1-2, one at 7, one refuses to share. Andrew debates the person who refuses to share despite claiming body count does not matter.

“what's your body count starting with”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status

Brian introduces guests. Each gives name/age/location/occupation. Relationship status round: Ana (3-month relationship), Tamara (single, dated Tristan Tate), Faith (single 3 years), Jamie (single/celibate 6 years), Raina (single 9 months), Nicollet (single 2 years, ~1 week celibate), Laura (married 7 years), Noel (never dated), Angelic (single 2.5 years). Panel discusses Latina crazy stereotype and ethnicity/crazy rankings.

Tristan Tate story (Tamara)

Tamara recounts visiting Tristan Tate in Romania (~June 2024). Three years of online contact. He wanted anal sex via WhatsApp before she arrived. He appeared disheveled, only talked about money and assistant. Andrew Tate walked in; Tristan rushed her out. Tamara described him as insecure and a puppet controlled by Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate was re-arrested the day after her friends 'threatened' Tristan online. Panel discusses embarrassing date stories (Brian's catfish/Habsburg jaw date story).

Men should pay on first dates debate

Extended debate on whether men should pay for first dates. Panel show-of-hands: most women say yes. Andrew Wilson argues the position is hypocritical if women resist traditional gender roles in other areas (stay-at-home motherhood, etc.). Nicollet says she wouldn't go on a second date if man split the check. Discussion of male earning potential vs. current income. Laura shares story of dating husband when he had no money but showed ambition. Angelic and others discuss ChivalrY vs. financial provision. Debate on 'high value' definitions — Nicollet claims rich men approach her at strip club.

Looks ratings round

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Going around the table: Nicollet 10 (down from 9 last time), Ana 9, Faith 5, Raina 8, Jamie 8, Tamara 6, Laura (says 4 but 8 when skinny), Noel 8, Angelic 8, Brian self-6, Andrew self-4. Nicollet rates Brian an 8/8.5. Debate on whether Nicollet is hotter now vs. her first appearance 2 years ago.

OnlyFans / sex work ethics debate

Andrew and Tamara argue against normalizing OnlyFans/sex work. Nicollet defends her choices; argues she feels no harm and gains confidence. Tamara admits most OF girls entered from insecurity or trauma; argues it should not be normalized. Discussion of whether OF is pornography. Nicollet recounts uploading to PornHub 7 years ago for free, football team history. Andrew argues about intent vs. effect on society (little Johnny watching OF). Jamie argues porn harms men (brain scans) but debate on consumer vs. producer responsibility. Cari (pro-life missionary) speaks about abortion clinic work; soy boy beta males segment.

Abortion debate

Cari (pro-life missionary) explains her work outside abortion clinics. Laura and Tamara engage on men's reproductive rights. Debate on whether men should have a say in abortion. Nicollet argues from pro-choice perspective. Laura argues it is deeply unfair to men who have no choice but must pay child support.

Christianity, morality, and sex work

Nicollet claims to be a Christian while doing sex work. Andrew challenges whether she qualifies as Christian. Laura and Andrew debate first miracle of Jesus (water into wine). Discussion of whether doing OnlyFans/stripping is compatible with Christian faith. Andrew asks whether God or devil would prefer Nicollet do OnlyFans — she says the devil.

Man vs bear / safety / serial killer women

Panel discusses the viral 'would you rather encounter a man or bear in the woods' question. Andrew argues by the same logic men should refuse female nurses (women serial killers in caretaker roles). Multiple guests pick bear.

Body count round

Body count question raised by Madison (off-camera). Going around table: Nicollet ~30, Ana 2, Jamie 1 (only partner), one person 7, several say 1 or 2, one refuses to share. Andrew debates whether body count matters if someone refuses to share it.

Roast session

Panel takes turns roasting each other and reading TTS donations roasting guests. Nicollet is a primary target. Unknown male co-host (SPEAKER_09) asks 'what would you do if you had no vagina' hypothetical. Smash or pass segment near end.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasafter your first date so that is a good point nette you're very observant got good memory elephant like a elephant no that's what they say they got good memory you do it's not the only

Brian Atlasway she like uh me and N have some things in common okay all right um where were we so deal breaker if it was the yes yeah

Brian Atlasyes your current boyfriend if he was like it's Anissa right how do you say it

Brian Atlasexactly ana ana If instead of Ana he said your mom's name deal breaker for sure his mom's name yeah that's that's

Brian Atlasreally weird okay all right just check it all right uh where were we we were let's get into some of the pre-show notes here actually yes we'll do that we'll do that right now we were at awkward dating stories oh did we not get

Brian Atlasokay did we not get around the table M like an elephant go ahead what what's yours okay date or like sex story if let's do date and if you can't

Nicolletthink of a date well I told you that my a let's do date think of an awkward embarrassing date story well that's not embarrassing like the last date I went on it was his birthday and two waitresses not just one

Nicollettwo separate waitresses came up to us like oh it's a celebration it was his birthday he brought me beautiful bouquet of flowers both which is oh it's his birthday and he brought you flowers so

Nicolletlike like kind of weird that's like not that embarrassing wait it was his birthday and yeah he's just a nice guy got you flowers yeah gentlemen I'm going

Nicolletto keep him around was it the first date yeah wow that's a big birthday like first date and everything yeah really nice guy shout out all right most embarrassing date

Laurastory my parents like never let me date so I'm didn't have like a fun like embarrassing date so they like filtered out a lot of like guys that would make

Brian Atlasme have an embarrassing date I think so kind of boring on this side sure what about you I don't have one oh right okay Angelic I'm very sorry I don't either that come on Angelic I don't go on dates

Brian Atlasyou've got something no I don't go on dates how about then what about like is maybe like a Discord thing no no Discord uh no like you're talking to a guy in

NicolletDiscord for like a year and then turns out he no nothing nothing bad has happened no anything for you uh yeah I met this

Nicolletguy on an app uh last year and we had talked on the phone like a little bit beforehand got to know each other a little bit seemed fine uh we went on a date to like a really nice restaurant

Nicolletand then he proceeded to tell me like in graphic detail how he had cheated on his or like fiance beforehand and these two girls were sitting next to me literally texting each other back and forth like without saying anything the entire time

Nicolletand i' I've done that with my friends before where you can see a bad date going on so you're texting them without talking out loud and so yeah it was really really awkward and weird I didn't get like really a word in at all

Nicolletedgewise either really strange there was no second date it was OD yeah good times good times what is yours yeah I want to hear I have way too many I don't even

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)know where to begin uh the worst did I give one last time I'm trying to remember I didn't think

Brian Atlasso I don't want to hear it though what's in h most embarrassing date story uh uh I've maybe told this one a

Brian Atlaslong time ago it's not so much embarrassing for me but for them and it's not that embarrassing but so I got catfished and they were 30 minutes late for the date and so the way I got

Brian Atlascatfished so there's uh you know how Royals throughout the year uh the ages they they inbred and when you inbreed there's

Brian Atlascertain uh physical manifestations of inbreeding so she had what I can only assume it was called the

Brian AtlasHabsburg jaw Nick can you go into the Dropbox folder she had a and she hid it very well on the pictures or something and I think she was in bread did you ask

Brian Atlasher no he just assumed that's I assumed I assumed Nick I'm not sure where it is I don't even know how to spell it

JamieHabsburg jaw I didn't know that was cuz of inbreeding definitely because was I'm like let me I'm trying to you it's

Brian Atlasthe green Hab oh wait Nick it's in the uh Dropbox podcast folder Habsburg the old guy yeah it's the Habsburg jaw photo in

Brian Atlasthe podcast folder in Dropbox oh my gosh so is it from this was my date she wore that hat too um

Brian Atlasand you know what I would have been fine with it but I was more upset that she was 30 minutes late I would have dealt with the jaw the jaw could have been de you started your story with the jaw so it obviously hurt you a little I you

Brian Atlasknow but she she had R other redeeming physical characteristics M you didn't positive side she could probably extend her jaw further okay but you didn't

Brian Atlasvideo call with her beforehand like hey I met this well I saw the photos and we did a phone call I didn't do a anyways it wasn't the jaw

Brian Atlasdid you kiss on the no no she's 30 minutes late so she showed up I was already I I take that very very seriously I was very UPS I wasn't I was

Brian Atlasupset internally but you still waited there you waited that's that's the thing I did but then like I intentionally I was like I'm just going to tank the date so I tanked the date it lasted 20 minutes and then I left you probably

Brian Atlaswould have changed it anyway let's be honest changed what changed T It Anyway T tank it tank T tanked isn't that what you just said yes tanked you're saying I would have oh cuz it would have been it would have gone bad even if you you

Brian Atlaswould have left anyway I would have failed even if she was so sweet had everything you've been looking for no well she didn't apologize either that was the bad that was the big thing I just wanted a token hey sorry

Brian AtlasI'm late how's your day going well not even that not even a text hey sorry I'm running late so she hurt you and then she held that jaw the story is making you look pretty desperate how how's that desperate no he

Nicolletwaited so she didn't even text to let him know no she is desperate so she came 30 minutes late apologize I got there like 5 minutes early and then to let the

Brian Atlaswaiter know hey when when the tab comes split it I'm looking for I'm looking for oo when she comes in Jesus so then like 5 minutes after we're supposed to meet she's like oh I'm so sorry my [ __ ] Uber blah blah blah whatever I'm going to be

Nicolletlate I'll be 10 minutes late she's 30 minutes late so she did Apologize yeah but go she texes you I'm sorry I'm in the Uber excuse me she didn't say sorry

Brian AtlasI but she did excuse me she didn't say sorry but she said I'm going to be late that's what I meant to say and then there was never a apology Andrew do you hate it he's chating his story also a

Brian Atlaslittle bit his what's that what's his name uh that is um maximilan the thiri maximilan the third that's a horse from renzel right what Maxim that's a horse

Nicolletit's Andrew do you want to ask him something oh no I Wasing cuz I thought I thought I don't know I thought his name was Michael for some

Nicolletreason sassy no I'm not kidding I thought it was okay cool cool story cool story bro I have a question how did you get the date to end in 20 minutes what

Brian Atlasdid you say and do oh wait hold on let me read this how dare you Brian I would have done your laundry and folded your thongs thongs and hit the bow you missed out no Brian

Brian Atlasdeserves a courtesy for sure not a bow look at his name look at his name the Habsburg J yeah yeah saw that I read

Brian Atlasit okay what's your beef what's your be I don't have a beef what was your question how did you get it to end in 20 minutes yeah well she arrived and then I

SPEAKER_10was like okay wait what's funny Nick I just know you just Stone wer you didn't talk to stonewald mad you're like just didn't say nothing well I was waiting I was I

Brian Atlaswas going to give her a bit of Grace I was waiting about 5 minutes for the apology but you know you're like kind of sitting there you're waiting for somebody to apologize it's like it's not

Brian Atlascoming you're like [ __ ] so uh I was just very direct I was like listen I think I was just like look if you want you can come back to my place

Brian Atlasfor the jaw action but I wasn't going to like I wasn't going to do any of the like conversational foreplay that is typical on a date I was like okay you've already

Brian Atlascommitted to social faux paw allow me to return the favor you want to just hook up and and then I was just super so you still would like [ __ ] her with I've never been with an inbred woman I thought I'd give it a shot or you would

Brian Atlaslike just kidding reust a job and she was like [ __ ] do you hook up on the first date sassy if I'm what do you mean because back bear in mind this was years ago no it doesn't matter no I'm

Nicolletsurprised that I have more respect for you actually I know why because he [ __ ] on the first day look I don't have I don't have any objections to to hooking up on the first day but you were

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)like I do like her but I don't do one night stance but you wanted her so you were planning on seeing her after that then yeah because he asked her if he she wanted to go back to his house even with

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)that jaw I believe in second chances I'm a I'm I believe in second chances the [ __ ] was good enough bro why yeah because you wanted to take her back you talk about her appearance how she was

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)not acting nicely she looks like chances and they you were like do you still want to bang why tell Theory read between the lines do you still want to bang would be

Brian Atlasnice maybe the baby would be cute then you have your nose her jaw [ __ ] funny don't make don't make me pull up

Brian Atlasyour pre [ __ ] millions of surgeries that you've uh oh you can yeah you saw them on the pictures last time yeah oh is laughing the difference

Brian Atlasbetween me and you is I just live with my lebia still on and I'm not shut the [ __ ] up that's the only thing nah she's kind of annoying not going to lie no that's

Brian Atlasnot true you would date me the last time you told me well okay hold on I'm about to kick you off the [ __ ] show why you think I would [ __ ] date you don't [ __ ] try to slander my name like that why is that I was very [ __ ]

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)clear on the show I would not [ __ ] date you you just didn't answer that's the thing yeah but I don't like when girls come on the show and be like oh he was in my DMs no you I didn't say you were in my DMs I didn't say you text me

Brian AtlasI didn't say any of that yeah but don't play this [ __ ] game of like don't falsely accuse me of [ __ ] that's not [ __ ] true but I didn't say you messaged me or anything huh did I say that you messed me or talk to me or

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)anything what did you say I said oh you would date me right when did I say that it's was a joke because you didn't answer the question it didn't seem like a joke but I'm telling you it was a joke

NicolletI didn't tell you messed me or anything I didn't do anything of that just say sorry not going to lie the side of Brian's pretty

Brian Atlashot okay the [ __ ] come on say more yell more okay [ __ ] keep it in your pants

Brian Atlasnicholet Jesus All Right Moving On Moving on um I'll get into the pre-show notes here so

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Brian Atlaspretty much it okay uh pull up pelagic tweet go ahead don't feed that Beast Brian okay thank you for the uh Super Chat I'm not sure who you're referring to who is the

Andrew WilsonBeast Me Maybe it's h that Beast Brian I don't think he's talking about me the I don't know they were saying that the uh that the redhead

Andrew Wilsonis bugged they said that she's bugged boys so you got to send in the the uh great super chats cuz the redhead is bugged I guess buff mother that mean bugged yeah just bugged I don't know I I

Brian Atlasdon't know what that means but I guess she's bugged boys could be probably bug could be could be she's bug boys could be could be all right um so

Brian Atlasokay let's get into some of the pre-show notes so we have uh let's see no not here uh we have Jamie jimie you said you're an educated Christian woman who

Brian Atlasdoesn't like the impurity culture of modern women I would like to be a counter voice to the frivolous women of today yes you've been single celibate for six years uh you think men should

Brian Atlaspay for everything I did not say that wait and be a provider for women there dating no wait hold on you didn't

Brian Atlassay that no uh you didn't no one I said it if you're married I said meant like n no okay I will read it verbatim okay number

Brian Atlasseven uh this is answer number seven in response to any dating topics takes you want to speak on if so what that men should pay for everything and be a provider for women they are

Brian Atlasdating I think this idea pushes women into being unproductive in and lazy yes then you follow by saying men should provide for their wives with children

Brian Atlaswho are stay-at-home mothers sure but women should never rely on the man for his wallet and should be focused on their education yes boo what about

Jamieit so I'm a little confused here these are a bit contradictory so if you're if you have children with a man and you want to be a stay-at-home mother I think yes then a man should provide for you and give you that lifestyle If he if he

Jamieimpregnates you and wants that from you or if you want that for yourself but I feel like if in this culture it's like oh we need to date men who are providers

Jamieand and that pushes women into not being educated not trying to get money for themselves just um which is not

Lauragood I don't understand why is that not good I know I completely disagree with that I disagree with that as as well yeah just oh go ahead no no no tell me the counter arguments you were saying

Laurahow um if your husband provides for you it insinuates that you get your education correct or yes right okay so I have many friends of mine that are

Laurastay-at-home moms and because they're able to be stay-at-home moms they also homeschool their kids so while they are teaching their kids they're also getting educated because obviously the public school system kind of sucks so while they're teaching their kids they're

Lauralearning everything and teaching their kids and being a mother in itself is it's a a whole career so that being able to care for a child is a whole education

Laurain itself yes um and they run their household so it's almost like an entrepreneurial job I was not talking about stay-at-home mothers yes

Jamiestay-at-home mothers I am all for that's such a positive I think to society uh I'm just talking about if you're a girlfriend to a man like you should not r on his wallet there's a difference if

Jamieyou're legally married and then if you divorce like then you'll at least be financially compensated but there's a lot of women who are just girlfriends who rely on a man and it could end at

Jamieany moment and they don't get an education they just rely on a man and then they have no backup plan no education which is it it's dumb what if they had an education before then okay

Jamiethen they then they have something to rely on if they they man dump dumps them but why are you relying on a man on a man's wallet if you have no education no backup nothing it sounds like you've

Lauranever had a boyfriend to provide for you I don't need a boyfriend to provide for me I have my own money yes yeah because I don't need I don't need a man to provide for me I think it's nice when a man pays for everything but isn't your

Lauraprovider I mean I think that there's like a complete difference but I do think that if you're not married the money needs to be separate but whenever I was dating my now husband like I expected him to pay every single time

Lauraand that's with him having a very he was a student and had a um a a part-time job and didn't have that much money so if he wasn't going to pay and didn't have the money then he had to come up with

Laurasomething creative like a picnic because I didn't like to pay so but that but I didn't rely on him financially so I get what you're saying I think men naturally want to be

Nicolletproviders and protectors and like when we're looking to date like right now like I'm just starting to date someone but I'm looking for marriage within the end goal in mind I'm 25 like I think it's time like you should try to get

Nicolletmarried younger but also like be choosy with who you're picking you shouldn't just pick any guy that has cash or someone that doesn't have any values and so you should pick someone and I'm also a Christian woman someone that loves God

Nicolletfirst more than anything but like wants to lay down his life for his like wife that he's looking for and so like I think this idea of like hookup culture and like just kind of sleeping around testing the waters like is actually really harmful for women so we should

Nicolletlook for someone that's willing to commit as a provider and Protector first like before you get married and then once you get married like you can continue your career have all those things but like ultimately I think what

Nicolletbrings satisfactory to women is having children and more than a career could offer I agree with you um I I totally agree with you um I'm just when you're

Jamiedating someone you just should not date for financial reasons you should date because you love them you should date because oh they can buy you this or that and a lot of women fall onto like oh he has a bag or oh he has a good job or

Nicolletthis and that and they don't look at the person underneath all of that and it it me it sorry I can't curse but it messes up women yeah but the man should have a job like he should have a stable career

Jamiehe should be able to provide for a bunch of the woman and the man the woman and the man should the woman doesn't necessarily have to I think you need a fall back if if you get divorced and you have no money no career what are you going to do how are you going to support the kids that you do have you shouldn't

Jamiebe like marrying someone that you have any kinds of doubts that you're going to divorce like why are you marrying someone that you think you're going to divorce because it happens you can't be living in La law land that you're never going to divorce you have to have like a

Andrew Wilsonyou have to have money just in case but if that is the if that is the case that you have a contingency plan based around divorce then wouldn't it be fair for a man to have the contingency plan of

Andrew Wilsonhaving a prenote yes yeah so I mean if that's the case so then that NE your whole point right there no yeah well it'll it'll essentially just nail yeah it'll nail your position right because

Andrew Wilsonif you're saying uh women need to have some type of way to fall back post divorce and Men also should then essentially the only option then would

Laurabe a prenup right no no prenup never never why that's what do you mean I'm going to literally give you my vagina but you

Andrew Wilsoncan't give me like your money wow thank so much you gave someone your vagina wow [ __ ] gold it was spun by Rumple stillin himself is made out of gold the

Andrew Wilsonthing is is like so what he's giving you his penis too like what what what is what is the uh what is like a great grandiose thing that he's so do you agree with a prenup yeah I think it's I think that

Andrew Wilsonespecially from a secular perspective I can't think of a single reason why secular man should even get married I can't I couldn't give you a single secular argument for why a secular man should even get married it makes zero

Andrew Wilsonsense you can get all the benefits hang on hang on let me explain the argument then respond to it okay it makes no sense for a secist to get married none I can't I've never been able to figure out a really good argument for why uh as it

Andrew Wilsonturns out you can get all of the [ __ ] that you want from a woman without ever being married to her and putting yourself in that type of situation where uh you could be set up for a massive amount of pain because the courts are

Andrew Wilsonbiased towards men when it comes to divorce so from a secular perspective I can't even offer a single argument for why secular is should get married I can't offer one I completely agree with you I think that if you get married it's

Andrew Wilsonbecause you're religious that's it yeah but the thing is is that if you enter into a religious marriage with a woman unfortunately the state still comes in so I would say get

Andrew Wilsona covenant marriage and I would leave the state out of it altogether I think that having the state involved with marriage licensing is [ __ ] stupid and if you're getting married for religious purposes then why why aren't you getting married through the church while you wasting your time with the state at all

Andrew Wilsonentering into the state contract still gives her incentives to eliminate the marriage and if it it gives incentives to eliminate the marriage you have a big problem on your hands well what I am confused about is that she's arguing

Andrew Wilsonthat men should have the right to get a prup but she's also arguing that men should take care of women after she well she's trying to be consistent with her position which I have respect for

Andrew Wilsonposition she just CED consistent yeah but it's consistent so she's saying if women if women are preparing to have a contingency then it's okay for men to as well that's consistent that's at least a

Nicolletconsistent position I'm so happy that you gave her that out and answered for her thank you well I didn't answer for her I explained the position that's not yours it I was asking her well it doesn't need to be

Andrew Wilsonmine to explain the position like you understand you know I can understand what a person says and not be speaking for them right so I'm not giving an answer from her worldview I'm just telling you what the worldview is she's consistently saying if there's an out

Andrew Wilsonfor one it's consistent if there's an out for another that I don't even know like what is the actual argument you have against that it it's it doesn't nullify it so what is the actual argument you have against that she just said that if a man and a woman get

Nicolletdivorced then the woman should have something to fall back on if the men's taking care for all their bills yeah but she says that a woman should be falling back on their education and that men

Nicolletshould be falling back on a prenup that's what she's saying okay yeah am I wrong or is that is that what you just said no that's exactly what I just said yeah got it okay did you also have

Andrew Wilsonsomething else to say I saw you like come in right before no he he explained it okay does he he answered for her it's okay I didn't answer I didn't answer for I just all I did was reiterate the

Andrew Wilsonposition so that you understood it because you clearly didn't understand it now it is possible that you just didn't understand what she said and I'm being very charitable about this right so um

Nicolletwhy why would you go against me wanting women to get an education I'm not against that okay but I'm also not against men paying for women's everything in fact I believe

Nicolletthat they should I didn't say that I said married and I'm saying even if they're dating I don't think I don't see anything wrong with that um I don't think we should take advantage of men like during the dating

Nicolletphace if they're willing to do it on their own like you said it's innate for them it's nature they want to in when you're committed to someone for your whole entire life and you've made that commitment and you've said no to

Nicolleteverybody else but just to that person but if you're going around just looking for different men that you can just take advantage of and just take things from then that's wrong you should take advantage of I didn't say I wanted to take advantage of men that's your opinion I respect it I just have a

Nicolletdifferent opinion and we can end it there

Andrew Wilsontrue yeah I mean let but let's not end it there because I I do want to know I do I do want to kind of explore like so so they gave their positions on this right what's your position on

Andrew Wilsonthis um I said I think that it's totally okay for a man to provide for a woman in the dating stage that I'm not going to quit I'm not going to quit working Hang on we're talking about prenups so you

Nicolletthink that prenup is acceptable for a man yes but it works both ways if the woman's dumb enough to not know that she can also have a say in the prenup that's on her I personally know right so so

Andrew Wilsonthen what what what what is your actual objection if she says that the woman can fall back on her education the man can fall back on the prenup what is the actual objection there so there wasn't any objection I right there wasn't any objection so what the [ __ ] are you

Nicolletarguing I was questioning her because she was like being she was like countering her own argument so I wanted her to explain it further but you explained it countering her own argument like how how was she countering her own argument you didn't

Andrew Wilsoneven understand her argument and thank you for elaborating for her now I understand well somebody needed to collaborate cuz you didn't I mean it's such a simple I don't know why you didn't understand it it's very simple yeah saying one falls back on this the

Andrew Wilsonother falls back on that I don't even agree with that but I mean at least I understood what the hell she said right okay yeah not sure what I missed but let me

Brian Atlasquickly address address this here because I'm getting not only gaslit by a panelist but also gaslit by the chat uh this is exactly what tomara

Brian Atlassaid she said said no that's not true you would date me the last time you told me so then I said that wrong last time

Brian Atlaslast time you told me you would date me I never said that that's a false accusation we've had other women come on the show who say that I'm in their DMS or say that I'm subscribed to their only

Brian Atlasfans to try to get a clip or to try to you know kind of break down what I'm trying to do here so you tried to Gaslight me and say no that's not what I said this is what what you said okay

Brian Atlasthen I will and for the chat who's also gaslighting me this is what she said excuse me this is what she said and it's worthy of a defense then I will absolutely apologize for

Andrew Wilsonthat all right okay okay have you ever heard the song I'm sorry have you ever heard that song is that Justin Bieber no it's not Justin

Andrew WilsonBieber no it's an oldie song it's called I'm sorry have you ever heard that we're all in like our 20s I'm sorry you never heard it no I feel like you should sing the I'm sorry song I you know you

Andrew Wilsonshould do because you're dressed up like Jessica Rabbit and she was a singer so I thought you know you sing I'm sorry song I do not know it what's that I do not know the song

Andrew Wilsonyou don't know the song oh okay yeah it's too bad it's great song of course there a woman singing I'm sorry so I'm I'm not surprised that song does your woman does your wife sing that

Andrew Wilsonto you all the time uh what I'm sorry yeah no my wife uh my wife usually doesn't have anything to be sorry about why would you sing that song oh that's cute I'm happy for

Brian Atlasyou all right pelagic thank you for the $100 Super Chat man appreciate it and then we have uh pelagic uh prenuptual is nothing to get comfortable with and never look at it as a fall back I 100%

Brian Atlasagree with that because anything could be delt in litigation have a good enough lawyer that's true um Andrew can you tune me into what

Andrew Wilsonuh what you guys were talking about while I was gone uh yeah so we were getting into the idea of uh contingency plans for marriage the idea being uh women should fall back on education was

Andrew Wilsonwhat the uh the gal the one blonde gal on the panel was saying um I'm sorry I didn't catch your name what did you say your name was Jamie Jamie yeah it was what Jamie was saying was uh she thinks that men should be able to fall back uh

Andrew Wilsonwomen should be able to fall back in education and so I questioned this by asking then is it fair for men to fall back on a prenuptual agreement and she agreed that that seemed to be fair and then the meta argument was about whether

Nicolletor not she said that or not so so actually he's misunderstanding she didn't say that women should be able to fall back on education she said they should be able to fall back on their

Jamieex-husband's I not say that I did not say that whatsoever go back in the chat no don't even say that I I said that women should be educated and then if they want to be stay-at-home mothers

Andrew Wilsonthat would be great but they need an education to fall back on the Well here here's the here's the straw man that you're making and I actually have it from my notes here so the straw man that you're making is what she said was there

Andrew Wilsonis a way for married women to fall back because they have child support that's what she actually claimed which is true right that's already the fallback which is there uh so she's saying if we absent

Andrew Wilsonthat then you would end up with them having to fall back in their education if there was a prenup also there's other still makes consistent it's still cons consistent argument at least so you

Nicolletdon't have to have child support for your ex partner to pay for your lifestyle after marriage child children yeah I totally agree I do want to say I did misunderstand you I thought you were

Laurasaying that once you're married you need to get an education to fall back on it like you're going to get an education because you're thinking like your marriage is going to fail that's well that now that is is initially what she

Andrew Wilsonsaid and I do I do feel like she kind of switched it after after that to to be totally fair that's how I heard it initially too AR but once the argument was clar that wasn't what you were arguing against what are you saying

Andrew Wilsonthank you for you were arguing against a totally different argument what are you saying thank you for no Vindication for you well I was confused she was confused you're the one who elaborated till we

Andrew Wilsonall understood yeah I'm actually following the conversation isn't that crazy I'm like actually listening to what people are saying isn't that no you're right wild sorry you're right I'm so sorry it will not happen again how

Brian Atlasdoes that song go I'm sorry no that's not how it goes somebody in the chat is asking me to ask about your multiple personalities

Brian Atlasdo you have multiple personalities no do you know what this is in reference to not at all okay all right I'll dismiss it then um did you guys have a back and forth on this whole who should pay thing

Brian Atlasor not who should pay but you said men should pay for everything and be a provider for women they are dating no not dating that's what you said in your notes wait I'm sorry um I don't think I

Jamiesaid that I you think it's a multiple personality speaking Brian no you could have you did say it but I'll Grant if

Brian Atlasyou misspoke okay I might have misspoke you wrote it may I see

Jamieokay just take my word for it no I mean like is okay maybe I possibly misspoke but I don't think like dating I I don't

Jamiemean sorry maybe not everything as in like their rent their lifestyle their car I don't mean that so what should they provide for them um if you are

Jamiedating a man and he and he should pay for for the date okay why um because I think that's just manners just manners

Jamieyes or yes I I was thinking like maybe in like gay sorry uh gay relationships there's other things like a woman and a woman or a man and a man like okay we're

Lauratalking about heterosexual relationship a man should pay okay why um it kind of gives you a glimpse of what a marriage will look like so it's just kind of like him paying for the food like a little

Angelicglimp of the future when he's like paying the mortgage I just think it's um not sure I agree with that but okay can I say um I actually like I think I have a weird opinion on this like I'm okay

Angelicbuilding a man up like supporting him while being the girlfriend and him not paying for everything like I don't I shouldn't expect a man who's my age like 23 to be able to be financially like

Jamieproviding for literally everything you know if a man asks you on a date which presumably the woman does not ask him man on a date let's say like and if that's so then the person who asked the

Jamieperson on a date should pay I think that's just manner so I'm just presuming the man would ask the woman on a date and I think then yes a man should pay for the date so who yeah I've heard this

Andrew Wilsona lot um let me give you a little bit of push back on it though so the idea here being if the man asks the man should pay and so it's kind of assumed that because men are going to do most of the asking

Andrew Wilsonthat men are going to be paying for most of the date that's what your position on this is right yes yeah so the thing is though is that I assume that the woman's going on the date because she wants to be

Andrew Wilsonthere so then I don't understand why if she wants to be there why shouldn't she pay I don't I don't get that it's like if I asked a friend if I'm like you want to go to a rock concert this week and he's like yeah doesn't mean I pay for

Andrew Wilsonthe rock concert right I assume he wants to go but you're not courting your friend yeah what does that have to do with anything though what what do the courtship portion of it have to do with anything I assume that they also want to

Andrew Wilsoncourt you or they wouldn't go on the date right yes of course yeah so I mean if that's the case she wants to be there and he wants to be there so why does it default to him paying that's the part of

Jamiethis I've never understood if a man did want to go 50/50 with me on a date I wouldn't be like whoa no or or think of him any less I just think like that's

Nicolletthe standard for a man to or the person who asks to pay it yeah but you said you think they should that it's good maners a man is supposed to be a provider and a protector this is a natural role this is

Nicolletlike the order of things men like are supposed to be able to provide for their women and this is setting a standard for the rest of their relationship I'm not saying that like or like later on like maybe you're dating for a year or two

Nicolletyears that a woman can never pay for anything like personally like I like to treat like whoever I'm dating like every once in a while just because I think it's nice and like to show that like hey I'm also financially invested in this

Andrew Wilsonbut a man is supposed to take control in that kind of a way and to provide for the girl that way this is gender rules like this is how our no that's just an appeal to Nature it's a it's a f it's actually a fallacious form of thinking

Andrew Wilsonright oh men should pay because it's natural that men have always paid it's like that's not a good argument especially in modernity why should men pay for dates why why is that why is

Andrew Wilsonthat necessary that men pay to take you on a date I assume you want to be on the date if you don't want to be on the date then you're just fleecing him right that's what you're doing if you don't want to be on the date just don't go but that's my whole point right it's like if

Laurayou don't want to be on the date then just don't go but I assume if you want to be on the date why is it assumed he's going to pay for the date that's the part where we're having to disconnect well can I say so for example I I also

Laurathink of it like you know whenever birds are trying to mate it's the male birds that are the prettiest they like dance for their female birds like females don't say oh I'mma dance back like it's the man who's like dancing so whenever

Andrew Wilsonthe man is paying for the dinner that's him dancing yeah and black widows spiders will have sex with a mate and then uh kill them and lay their young inside of their dead corpse like looking

Andrew Wilsonat animals to determine how human beings are supposed to behave with each other is absurd that's why we don't appeal to Nature that's why it's a fallacious form of thinking and argumentation it's like

Andrew Wilsonokay I can bring up all sorts of counter examples of black widow spiders doing horrible things to their mates right it's like is that the way we should do should women sleep with a then kill him

Andrew Wilsonand then lay their babies inside the man like isn't that ABD right we should be more like black widows in my

Angelicopinion I feel like if you guys are unsure if you're going to fully commit to each other yet like you're still in the getting to know each other phase it's okay if you guys pay for your own things um and then like once you get in

Angelica committed relationship I do believe like in she said like treating my man as well so like yeah maybe he pays for some days but maybe I ask him out too and I

Nicolletpay for some as well I don't know that's just my opinion I think It ultimately goes back to like our natural design right like I believe in God I believe that he created a natural order for things I believe that there's a certain

Nicolletway that we are to live and so in that like God created man first and then he created woman to be the helper and so God created man to be the provider and

Andrew Wilsonso you're asking why create wait God did not create the modern social order of chivalry that was not a creation of God that was a creation of man at this like

Andrew Wilsonthe Bible and read the Bible in the New Testament I've read the Bible many times and I'm going to tell you again that the idea in the Bible that men must pay for dates does not exist absent your brain your head cannon that you just made up

Andrew Wilsonwhere where should I look in the Bible for men pay for dates is that under uh I just made that [ __ ] up chapter nine like where can I find that in the Bible you can look at husbands love your wives and wives submit to your husband I'm sorry

Andrew Wilsonare we talking about husbands and wives or are we talking about dating dating yeah you're right there's not too much about dating in the Bible if anything at all yeah there's not too much is there because what we have is we have a

Andrew Wilsonsocietal construct for how that works and appealing to the Bible and saying this means that men have to pay for dates where I mean how do you even come

Andrew Wilsonto this conclusion it's such a massive leap why should M pay for for a date in modernity with women what are they bringing to the table are they bringing Chastity and virtue and virginity no so

Andrew Wilsonwhy is it that we are going to assume that based on this chivalrous code where people would kill each other for The Virginity of Mady if there is no more Mady what the hell are we killing each other and paying for exactly are you

Nicolleteven arguing about something that you care about because something tells me that you would pay for a first day for the first few dates let's assume that I would what the [ __ ] does that have to do with anything so then you're talking out

Andrew Wilsonof your ass people women why would how would that be talking out of my ass to press your you're hypocrite I'm I'm sorry wait a second wait a second smoking cigarettes is bad do you see that I'm

Andrew Wilsonsmoking should I tell a 5-year-old that they should be able to smoke because I also smoke does that even make sense to you no but you're a hypocrite no cuz it's the stupidest [ __ ] anybody's ever heard what the hell are you talking

Andrew Wilsonabout you're a hypocrite then oh so I'm a hypocrite if I don't tell a 5-year-old to smoke because I smoke you smoke yes oh okay so if a person takes medicinal

Nicolletdrugs for pain should they tell a 5-year-old to take medicinal drugs if they're prescribed it by a doctor then okay well then let me ask you a series of questions have you ever

Andrew Wilsontold a lie everyone at this table including never get mad at another person again the rest of your [ __ ] life who lies to you or you're a hypocrite we're all Hypocrites okay well then what's your [ __ ] point because

Andrew Wilsonyou're going on everybody's a hypocrite and you're a hypocrite then calling me a hypocrite means [ __ ] nothing so I'm right you're a hypocrite you're arguing about something you I'm also right you're a hypocrite what if we established here I know but I'm not going to go on and on

Andrew Wilsonand argue about something you're a hypocrite I'm a hypocrite she's a hypocrite they're a hypocrite so if everyone's a hypocrite then it doesn't [ __ ] matter have conversation like this is absurd on its face you sound

Andrew Wilsonlike a silly goose I'm sorry you have a gunt like what do you want me to say I have a

Andrew Wilsongun A gun gunt yeah guu n t actual gunt and I'm not going to take lip from a woman with a gunt ever what the [ __ ] what does that

Andrew Wilsonmean no Define I you know what I I actually I don't think I can give the definition

Nicolletwhy then Brian you do it I'd rather not to be honest to go back from before okay then he's a [ __ ] he's a [ __ ] cuz you're going to

Nicolletsay something that I don't get all right calm down niolet go ahead I think that there are a lot of women including myself that are bringing abstinence and Chastity to the table that have a lot to

Brian Atlasoffer a lot of men and that is something that is I believe on the right so I have I got to come in on this really quick uh and I'll I'll kind of wrap it into what you just said there um you said you're

Brian Atlasbringing absence and Chastity mhm um just quick clarification on that are you a virgin currently uh no what do you mean currently I mean like yeah not in my

Brian Atlaslike I only been with one person my ex of seven years and then I like have committed myself to ch um so you said men should pay for dates right just curious who standard like what's your uh

Brian Atlasthe whole panel should men pay for First Dates show of hands show of hands yes I I'll go around the table yes or

Jamieno I I would say no yes yes but after he explained it I'd be okay going 50/50 yeah okay if the man asks you he should

Laurapay if he asks yes they should pay into the mic please yes they should pay um I'm in between same

Nicolletlike yeah go ahead no yes okay should women be virgins ideally yes I think I made a really big mistake in my life and it was

Nicolletbefore I was really Walking with God and really didn't have any morals and so if I could go back I would take it back okay should

Laurawomen H be my husband was my first so I was a virgin the entire time dating him sure

Brian Atlasso me lady I was the Mady uh should women stay at home let the man work and take care of the kids

TTS/Donationsif they want to this is a should question should they that's a very good question I think yes Daisy Chen donated

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Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)totally normal body thank you for defining than CH was Andrew next to the question I think

Brian Atlasyes sorry can you repeat the question yeah so should women stay at home and raise the kids I think it's situational but I think no if they also have goals they want to

Jamiepursue okay yes there should be at least one stay-at-home parent it doesn't have to be the mother but no no but should it be

Nicolletwomen oh should it be women yeah yes okay no I think that women should do whatever they wanted do so if they want to be a stay-at-home mom and take care

Lauraof the kids just should yes or no I think that one size doesn't fit all okay it just depends on the context

Nicolletlike if I was going into the marriage and that's what he wanted me to do then I should okay yeah I agree with that so no but I mean it depends on each situation

Brian Atlasand how you guys have started dating and going into marriage mhm personally for me yeah okay I say yes okay it's just interesting to me because we don't

Brian Atlasreally have a problem saying men should do this when it comes to their gender roles their traditional gender roles men should be protectors men should lead men should be dominant men should be masculine men should should should men

Brian Atlasshould pay for first AIDS but then when we look at Women's traditional gender roles those seem to be far more flexible in the current social order while women

Brian Atlasshouldn't have to fall into their traditional gender roles but men we need to hold men to their 1950s

Brian Atlassexist if if I were to say women should not go to work and they should stay home and take care of the kids half of you would call me a sexist but you wouldn't have objections

Brian Atlasreally I think if and I don't think any of you really do object if we say men should pay for first AIDS which is a traditional gender role and is essentially

Brian Atlassexist if it's sexist to say a woman should do this then it must correspondingly be sexist to say men should do this I don't think it's sexist

Nicolletof you to say that women should stay home well keep in mind I'm not I'm not saying that I was just asking the question I think all those words are [ __ ] sex is this sex is that I think

Nicolletthat if everyone should do what the [ __ ] they want to do in my opinion I want if I'm having Someone's Child that's what I want doesn't mean they should if they don't want to then they're not the man for me and I'm not the woman for them

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)simple as that no one should do anything go ahead I agree with what you're saying but I have a question of what you were saying like 10 minutes ago because I think it misunderstood you said a woman

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)should be have something to rely on when things I think you mean it in a safety way what if your man would best way do not have money then you can do something to provide for I think you mean it in a

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)safety way not in a must way I think no no not in a must but you need a then a woman would be safe if something would happen and then she has a little back that's what you

Nicolletmean I agree with you Brian I think that woman does have a gender role and there are things that women should do we're called to be nurturers and to like raise up our children like that is something

Brian Atlasthat we fit into that is what women should do but it seems like women's roles are a bit more malleable whereas there's not

Brian Atlasquite as much flexibility when it comes to men's roles for example Nicollet you said well if a woman if she wants to be a boss babe and do porn she can but also

Nicolletshe can also be a single or a you know stay-at-home mom and take care of the household but you are very strong on men should pay for First Dates you're right I did say that should I don't think should I don't like that

Brian Atlasword should but that's what you how you ask me well I can ask it a different way though in my opinion I wouldn't put up with if you went on a date with a guy and he said two checks will there be a second date no but that's me and I'm not

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)the same I'm not the same as her her her her so should doesn't exist would you build a man up if he's like studying very hard and is getting somewhere in

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)his life so you know in like two years he will be like would you like help him because you're like making already money would like work together and help him up or he said a no go if he would be like you know what I would love to take you

Nicolleton a date but I cannot pay it for but I really like you I'm building something would you like be a team and like go forward together or is it like a no go personally myself I turned 25 in a couple of weeks I'm too old to help

Nicolletbuild a man up and even if I did in my seven-year relationship from 15 to 22 just like you he still provided for me yeah but like 25 is still school age or

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)not so how can he like really be America top level men already that's hard on a man there's a lot of pressure on a man actually so then I'm going to look something different than you would that's okay but it's quite a lot of

SPEAKER_14pressure you put on a man right well he has he can accept it or not men's Prime is typically actually like early 30s I'm pretty sure so they're like still building themselves up during their 20s I guess that's why

AngelicI'm so I understand you're not I'm just saying like my perspective that's why like with the last guy that I liked I understood he's still going to school he's still sorting his stuff out and i would support him you know if he needed help studying like I'd be there with him

Nicolletyou know trying to be like flashcards you know like little stuff like that but I understand it's not for everyone and personally I'm not dating guys my age I'm dating older that already had something so you would never help a man

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)up only data men who already has the things I want someone who will make me better but that's also like then you provide from him right so you will not help a man up but you want a man to help you up yes it's a bit transactional

Nicolletthat's a little it's the same thing you want that's what I want and you want something different that doesn't make me wrong or you right or vice versa it's just what I want and what you want you want to meet someone at the finish line

Lauraand for example I want to run the race with them basically that's just how I would put it in terms yes when when I met my husband he was going to full-time he like went to full-time school and worked part-time and I dropped out of

Lauraschool after like 2 months and so I worked all the time um and I loved when he would pay but our dates look like we're going to go get coffee or we're going to go get chips in guacamole like

Lauravery non-expensive dates and it was great because he had to be really creative with what he had so I didn't expect to go on luxurious dates at all

Laurabut I did expect him to like if we you don't have money then go buy like a loaf of bread and we're going to go give them to the Ducks at the lake or something but he was still in that sense providing

Angelicand I saw how he was working extremely hard in school to one day you know be a provider for a family and I'm not going to lie there's multiple ways to be shiverers as well in my opinion like

Angelicopening doors or like you know I've had a man even like Buckle me into my seat and like stuff like that like or cut my food for me you know maybe he can't pay for the bill but he'll cut my food for me cuz he knows I like it in small

Angelicpieces like stuff like that there's little things that men can do to show acts of kindness without money being involved but also keep in mind I'm a stripper and I do only fans so my standard of man is really high but why

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)is that high I'm an only fans as well you cannot say you're a valuable woman if you [ __ ] every High because of that yes it's high because people just men give me money for nothing so do you do scenes with men that makes a difference

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)so in the six years in the six years of me doing only fans I've done four male scenes so you want a man as high value only commits to you but you can go to your job and be like yeah [ __ ] it it's

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)just work well M I'm doing the same work I'm do not do scenes with men but but you accept less so my definition of high value is different than yours so you're being naked every strip week is me

Nicolletaccepting you accepting more of a man it's all about perspective in my perspective yes in your perspective I should I don't deserve a high value man can your men be a jigo or anything like

Tamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)that can he be a stripper jigo anything can you go naked every day no but you can yes and they have to be okay with it or not and that's their decision which

Nicolletmakes my pool of men much smaller and I acknowledge that and I accept that so then your pool of men will be more High valuable than and like I said everyone at this table's definition of high value

Nicolletis completely different so we can't use high value so if you say that I can't say oh yes high value high value I'm explaining to you what my definition of high value a high value man to my

Nicolletopinion is someone who will respect my work respect my past and still want to do that stuff for me can I I can concede that the definitions that everybody will

Andrew Wilsonhave of high value would be different but you would also have to concede that there's going to be uniformities which are agreed upon about what is not high value so for instance uh let me give you an example of this in real time at the

Andrew Wilsontable raise your hand if a high value man beats the [ __ ] out of you sorry I thought you said doesn't my bad no okay so we can so so then we can rule many things out as at least not

Andrew Wilsonbeing that thing so so hang on hang on hang on so if we can rule bunch of things out that aren't the thing I think we can at least get somewhat closer to the agreement of

Andrew Wilsonwhat the thing itself is so when you're talking about high value don't you think that Society especially women would view men who have more money than men who have less money is being probably more

Andrew Wilsonvaluable all things equal meaning if they're they have the same looks generally the same personality one just happens to be far richer don't you think that the one would be considered generally more High valuable than the

Nicolletother by almost everybody's metric I agree with you completely and what's actually people don't realize or don't want to admit is that only fans girls

Andrew Wilsonand strippers we get the most high value men approaching us no because they're paying you for a good time hang on hang on you're definitely not marrying them and you're definitely not ending up with

Andrew Wilsonthem and you're def that's definitely not who you you end up uh getting a ring from and living they happily ever after Julia Robert's Pretty Woman life SE I I

Andrew Wilsonwill agree I will agree that for a time in your youth that uh many of what you would consider these traits for high value of You Know Rich handsome this type of thing probably do approach you

Nicolletaround that age group uh but I'm not sure what that proves exactly it proves means exactly that story of that um that first date I went on where the guy brought me flowers on his birthday five

Nicolletstar restaurant I met him at the strip club he I've met his parents he wants to pursue something serious with me so your point is

Andrew Wilsonwrong well no okay well how come then I see so many tales of kind of former prostitutes and former strippers uh on panels like these hundreds upon hundreds

Andrew Wilsonof them all across the world uh being interviewed by various people where they say man I really wish I hadn't done that because later in life it brought my value down such that I could not net the

Andrew Wilsonthing that I truly wanted when I was in my 20s men would utilize this for their own gain but they were never putting a ring on it so the reason why they do that is because by doing only fans or by

Andrew Wilsonbeing prostitutes they did something that went against their morals and values me I can sleep at night no no I don't think they're doing they're not talking about morals and values most of them are secularists in fact they don't

Nicollethave any objective morals or values they just say the thing that I wanted later life the problem and that's the problem and why they're unhappy in their lifestyle I can sleep at night saying I

Andrew Wilsonhave not done anything that goes against my morals and values and I'm happy and I have men who want to take I'm not saying it's against your morals or your values though that's yes and I'm answering your

Andrew Wilsonquestion the Reas the reason why so many girls you haven't even heard my argument how could you answer to it well you said why do so many girls on these panels who are ex prostitutes or whatever your AR your argument to that was to say it's

Andrew Wilsonbecause they did something which violated their morals or values I'm telling you no they don't have any objective morals or values you're saying this is fine within my moral Paradigm it's just that it made me miserable

Andrew Wilsonlater in life because as it turns out when you're 35 and you [ __ ] 200 men and the beauty which is now fleeted most men look at that and go well I'd rather not

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