RAGE QUIT! California Liberal Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson DEBATE! 700+ Body Count? | Dating Talk #198
Date: 2024-09-23
Duration: 8h 09m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Sasha(guest)
SPEAKER_03Production/Crew(audience)
SPEAKER_04Serena/Ariana(guest)
SPEAKER_05Isabella(guest)
SPEAKER_06Angel/Lily/Claudia(guest)
SPEAKER_08TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_13Jake(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:19
IntroBrian begins guest introductions
“without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead”
00:05:02
QuoteSasha says God sends her money, then clarifies she earns $7K/month from OnlyFans
“God sent me money God sends you money yeah so there's like cuz I I seriously don't know how how I survive”
00:10:42
QuoteSasha discloses 13 years of escorting history
“do you have a history of other kinds of sex work yeah escorting for certain years escorting quit last year for how many years 13 years”
00:11:25
QuoteSasha describes crossing US-Mexico border on foot with 8 pieces of luggage
“I flyed to Mexico and then I cross border by my feet with my eight luggages in my hand”
01:34:04
ControversyBrian reopens Angel's background: 'Angel you have had a messed up life'
“let's get back into some of the pre-show notes so going back to you angel angel you have had a messed up life”
01:36:37
ControversyAngel claims to be a virgin despite OnlyFans; Jake immediately calls her a liar
“so you you claim you're a virgin I am but it's not for any reason I just haven't wanted to do”
01:37:32
QuoteAngel says she has made out with about 400 people
“mine wasn't sex it was more so making out with people and it's very weird so I had just had this conversation the other day I had to have made out with about 400 people”
02:05:16
QuoteBrian reveals Sasha did 100+ scenes and many gangbangs
“how many scenes did you do over 100 over 100 have you ever done like two two guys I did many gang bangs many”
02:07:09
QuoteSasha reveals her porn niche: double anal penetration; tattoo on arm
“my Niche is double anal penetration is that why you have the tattoo”
02:09:55
QuoteSasha describes her spiritual awakening / decision to quit porn via mirror moment
“there was um um eyeliner and a draw on the mirror start of the David and I just looked so deep inside”
02:12:09
ControversyAndrew challenges Sasha for continuing to produce/distribute porn after 'quitting'
“so your Revelation from God was stop allowing men to have sex with you but continue to allow other women”
02:13:32
QuoteSasha admits she only cares about her own happiness ('solipsism' per Andrew)
“I care only about my happiness for the moment yeah you only give a [redacted] about yourself”
03:39:13
ControversyBrian challenges Lily's '30-40% of men are dangerous' claim — apex fallacy argument
“you think 70 million men in the United States would choose to assault you?”
03:43:15
QuoteBrian points out Lily's bear-vs-man logic mirrors a man saying he distrusts all women
“isn't this just sort of essentially the mirror of what you're saying by picking the bear — absolutely it is yes”
05:38:54
ControversyLily says 'I'm done' after Andrew's societal argument about women in secondary roles
“I'm done you're done I'm done was it the misogyny was it the Raging Andrew Wilson misogyny that did it”
06:03:59
OtherLily gets up to leave (to pick up gay friend, 4 hours away, class in morning)
“let's bring it to dating thank you touch my blade wait hey wait where you going stay come back”
06:05:47
QuoteBody count round: answers go around the table — 2, 0, 12, 6, 5
“going around the table what's your body count two you're not going to believe me zero already said 12 six — five mine's a little bit higher it's around like up to 15 multiply by three”
06:19:15
QuoteBrian notes Lily got a Visual Arts degree after Charlie Kirk episode
“Visual Arts you got you got to visualize yourself in the forest with a men instead of a bear”
Topics Discussed
00:03:19
Guest Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian clarifies each. Panel: Sasha (36, Russian, porn star), Isabella (18, UCSB psych), Angel (18, Florida, OnlyFans), Lily (22, Ohio/SDSU), Claudia (21, pharmacy/modeling), Serena (21, LA, student), Ariana (27, Las Vegas, accounting), Andrew Wilson (political debater), Jake (Rattlesnake TV).
00:10:10
Relationship Status Round
Each guest states current relationship status, length single, and longest relationship. Sasha single 3.5 years; Isabella in LDR; Angel 'chronically single'; Lily single 2 months; Claudia in relationship; Serena in relationship 2 years; Ariana single.
00:10:20
Sasha: Russia, Asylum, Escorting Background
Deep dive into Sasha's background: 13 years escorting worldwide, entered US via Mexico border after quitting escorting (spiritual awakening in Jerusalem). Andrew presses on why asylum was needed if she traveled freely. Sasha says political opposition to Putin. Child in Thailand with French-Jewish father.
00:20:50
Dating Preferences / Charisma / Attractiveness Standards
Angel and Lily discuss requirements in a partner: humor, charisma, motivation. Brian defines charisma. Lily says 50% of men physically attractive, 20% personality compatible.
00:31:31
Abortions vs. Democracy Question
TTS question: would you rather have democracy or access to abortions? Responses vary; Sasha and Ariana choose democracy; others split.
01:34:04
Angel's Messed-Up Life / Virginity Claim
Angel claims to be a virgin despite OnlyFans solo nude content, bipolar/BPD diagnoses, cocaine use, and making out with ~400 people. Jake and Brian are skeptical. Andrew questions logical consistency. Sasha and Ariana partially believe her. Angel describes previous relationship with a man who was later jailed for murder.
02:00:44
Sasha: Quitting Porn / Spiritual Awakening
Sasha explains quitting mainstream porn after Jerusalem experience. She continues solo OnlyFans. Andrew challenges inconsistency: she produces and distributes porn involving other women. Sasha says she only cares about her own happiness ('solipsism' per Andrew). Asylum timeline questioned — convenient she quit porn when applying for asylum.
02:44:50
Makeup and Deception
Brian argues makeup is deceptive in dating context. All panelists weigh in. Sasha describes personal experience feeling ugly without makeup. Comparison drawn: is a man lying about height on a dating app equivalent?
03:29:40
Bear vs. Man Debate
Lily states she would choose a bear over a random man in a forest. Brian and Andrew challenge this — 30-40% of men inclination claim is apex fallacy. Lily acknowledges it mirrors men who distrust women. Heated but unresolved.
03:56:39
Sexual Assault Reporting / Definition
Discussion of SA statistics, definition creep, and reporting. Multiple panelists raise hands as having experienced SA. Andrew notes double standard: men's SA by women largely unreported/ignored. Debate over duty to report to prevent future harm.
04:43:20
Feminism / Gender Roles / Women in Society Debate
Extended debate between Lily and Andrew Wilson on feminism, gender pay gap, historical oppression, intersectionality, apex fallacy, societal roles of men vs women. Andrew argues most societies function fine with women in secondary roles (descriptive, not prescriptive). Lily argues for equal footing, accuses Andrew of misogyny. Reaches 'I'm done' from Lily at ~5:39.
05:10:00
Draft / War / Conscription Debate
Andrew poses: should men be drafted to defend nation if enemy will assault all women? Lily argues no one should be forced. Andrew argues ideological subversion if draft is rejected. Birth rate discussion woven in.
05:58:00
Single Mother vs. Single Father Households
Jake cites stats (attributed to Rachel Wilson's Substack) that single father households produce better child outcomes than single mother households. Barack Obama quote referenced.
06:05:47
Body Count Round
Going around the table: Claudia=6, Angel=0 (claims virgin), already said (Lily=2), Serena=uncertain. Sasha's estimated 700+ from escorting + porn. Brian jokes ~45 ('15 times 3'). Ariana=12 (stated earlier). Jake and Andrew decline/deflect.
06:11:40
Roast Segment
TTS roast session targeting all panelists. Extended 'burrito' running joke targeting Brian. Panelists roast each other and take jabs at the show.
07:57:10
Outro / Call to Action
Brian wraps show, promotes Twitch, Discord, debateuniversity.com (Andrew's 'Verbal Combat' course), and Rachel Wilson's book 'Cult Feminism'. Twitch raid to FrostAdamus.
Transcript
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04:43:52
Brian Atlaseven historically men have been more oppressed than women and men have had it worse historically compared to women is that why more men are in government than women and get to make the decisions
04:44:03
Brian Atlasabout what happens Apex fallacy that's very cool so we can talk about you know the small proportion of men who occupy
04:44:13
Brian Atlasthese sort of higher positions of power and who perhaps have some better life outcomes although I would argue the vast majority of men have worse life outcomes
04:44:24
Angel/Lily/Claudiaon average than women why well they die earlier that's one um but but but not only that's just
04:44:34
Andrew Wilsonlike natural I mean like how is that and all the victims of war are men the ones who D in war only men were being drafted women were in well I mean if we were just going to go move off of what's natural that's
04:44:46
Andrew Wilsonchild birth too child birth is natural and now used to be one of the number one killers of women and it seems like we've unnaturally extended their lives right so I mean um I wouldn't I I wouldn't appeal to Nature like I
04:44:59
Andrew Wilsonunderstand what you're saying I get it I would just I my my rebuttal to this is just always simple it's like I just reject your definition of what is racism and sexism I don't think I think those are the grounds we disagree on I don't think there's coming common ground for
04:45:11
Andrew Wilsonthat yeah I don't think that prejudice plus power means anything it's just like this kind of um bizarre uh in or non-introspective but historical perspective but only from standpoint
04:45:24
Andrew Wilsonwhich is the theory that you learned right standpoint this is from the stand of women the point of view from women and that's where intersectionality comes from and it's like just rejected I just don't think that uh I think if if if I
04:45:36
Andrew Wilsonclaim that um racism is you just don't like a person based on the color their skin you could never give me a reason why that wasn't valid other than you just didn't like that reason right yeah no I just think we we disagree on the foundational grounds of where the
04:45:48
Brian Atlasargument would even go can you guys close the doors by the way um so I'm I'm actually curious to hear and you know if the other panelists want to
04:45:59
Brian Atlasweigh in uh can any of you name a greater gender grievance than uh well actually first I need to ask a couple questions what percentage of uh military
04:46:10
Brian Atlascasual um what's the gender breakdown there well mainly men I mainly 99
04:46:20
Brian Atlashistorically I don't know the number but hi so can any of you name a bigger gendered grievance than forced military
04:46:31
Brian Atlasconscription um forced sex work in third world countries forced sex work in forced marriage for children so do okay so how many PE do you think do you think
04:46:43
Brian Atlasthere's more women who have been involved in forced sex work than there have hold on then there have been men who have been essentially and it's not
04:46:53
Brian Atlaseven just conscription it's the gendered expectation on men that men ought to be the Protectors of Nations now I don't necessarily object to this but we can't ignore the fact that this is a gendered
04:47:04
Brian Atlasexpectation so even men who volunteer for the military there is some degree of uh uh Force there that's being applied but and why is that why is that yeah who
04:47:16
Brian Atlasdecided that more men were going to fight than women a tiny strata of powerful people so repeat that sorry a tiny strata of powerful people wait so just to be clear so what how many women do you think have been in forced into
04:47:30
Brian Atlassex work well there sex traffi do you think it's more than the amount of men that have been forced into a military role no no but who forced them into that role
04:47:40
Brian Atlasright right okay that's not that doesn't really even address the argument it does it's directly addressing the argument nope you're saying that men forced them into it you're saying but the men by men
04:47:51
Brian Atlasa System created well what if I told you that uh women leaders women monarchs women Queens more likely to engage in Warfare than their
04:48:04
Brian Atlasmale counterparts repeat it male queens were more likely to wage war excuse me female Queen queens were more likely and well
04:48:14
TTS Readermet LOL paladins donated $200 and2 Brian when will you learn the definition of sexism is actually man bad
04:48:24
TTS Readerwoman good the definition of racism is white bad Brown good black best PS Love Line figured out Callins 30 years
04:48:34
Brian Atlasago even if it first off it's not clear to me if if it's men or people with power or the elite that made that we that made it well you're saying okay all those men
04:48:46
Brian Atlasthat had to go the war well who was it even if it was men is it because they're men or because they had power the men in power made it so that men would go to war because they saw but there there's been Queens who have had power so is it
04:48:59
Brian Atlasbecause they're men or is it because they have power because that's the social Norm what percentage of men have power I don't know what percentage of
04:49:08
Brian Atlasmen throughout history had the power to send other men to War I don't know them I don't know it's a very small amount
04:49:18
Brian Atlasthough right M yeah okay so does it have more to do with people who hold power or the fact that they're meant power people that hold power because they they view men as stronger so they're going to send
04:49:30
Brian Atlasmen into war say women are too weak to fight more men are going to die this would defeat your claim but of your sort of fallacious rebuttal to well I'm going to disregard your claims about well here
04:49:42
TTS Readerare how men are more oppressed by just sort of diverting to living under cated
04:49:49
TTS Reader$200 C Andrew wins just BC he's hot Brian only wins BC he water boards sexism sounds worse than Prejudice but
04:49:59
TTS Readerit's the same thing they want to be the only ones who can use the term against men uh living thank you for the TTS man appreciate it okay
04:50:09
Brian Atlasso uh it's a very small proportion of people who've had power throughout history the people in power are the ones who tend to dictate whether someone goes to war or not whether there is war or
04:50:20
Brian Atlasnot it's not like throughout history it's not like it's been voted on by the populace it's just you have a dictator a lord a leeg lord whatever it is a king a monarch saying okay uh we're going to go
04:50:32
Brian Atlasto war with this country blah blah blah so it's not because they're men it's because they have power now go going back to my thing I still haven't heard
04:50:42
Brian Atlasan answer to name a gender grievance greater than uh forced military conscription forced marriage not I don't
04:50:52
Andrew Wilsonthink that that's a greater grievance than forced military conscription you know I even um kind of on the idea that I would just kind of
04:51:03
Andrew WilsonGrant it again okay sure you know men men they're the ones who can script other men right and make them go out and fight Wars but kind of even if that's true um
04:51:15
Andrew Wilsonso what right ultimately wouldn't the grievance that men would have still be similar to the same type of Oppression that women are claiming men give to them right yes it is a griev still a majority
04:51:26
Angel/Lily/Claudiaof men think they're don't think women are suited for war well they're not what they're not no no no so you can't complain about a grievance that you're okay with and also compared to another one what's great sex trafficking Maybe
04:51:39
Andrew Wilsonnot maybe num hang on hang on that's weird that's weird hang on wait just to be I just want to do one claim at a time that's all and I'm willing to getor yeah I'm willing to get to the sex trafficking by the way talk to these other girls but also let me
04:51:51
Andrew Wilsoninput but but but the thing is is like no that was my bad no you're good you're good I just I just want to answer to to the first claim right um you're you were talking about uh the system that you
04:52:03
Andrew Wilsonagree with right well I may not agree with uh with the government going to war with another Nation right but I would still have to agree to conscript or else I don't have any rights but you agree hang H hang on otherwise I don't have
04:52:15
Andrew Wilsonrights I don't have the right to own a God I don't have the right to vote all those rights go away the second I don't sign up for the draft and uh historically this has been the case where if men don't swear falty to a lord
04:52:27
Andrew Wilsonor things like that they can't have own land they can't live on the land they can't even be a part of the nation right no such fty Oaths have been required traditionally of women just because you say well you're the only ones who have
04:52:39
Andrew Wilsonthe capacity to do the thing doesn't mean it's not an impression that you are forced to do the thing only because you're the one with the capacity that's absurd right so I I really don't I don't
04:52:51
Andrew Wilsonreally understand why even if it were true that it's men who are forcing men to do this that if women's grievance is against men right then wouldn't that wouldn't that negate their grievance right because we' say okay well men are
04:53:03
Andrew Wilsonjust oppressive to men is they are to women then it is a real grievance I don't think that this grievance is not mhm accepted it's very real it's very
04:53:12
Andrew Wilsonsad yeah so but so then I don't really understand the push back of um but don't you think that men are the ones who can fight yeah I do I think that that men
04:53:23
Isabellaare much better equipped to fight in Warfare than women don't you um I think it depends really I feel like women can help in other ways they can help with like yeah the fighting part fighting well there's doctors in the war there's
04:53:35
Isabellaso much to it what what are they what are they what are they fighting with an infection they're helping W helping wounds they they're still putting their lives at risk they're in Risk too sa these people but the the
04:53:46
Andrew Wilsondoctors who are on the field getting shot at in the field are men right I mean that's a combat medic right there men are going to be better suited for that than women aren't
04:53:59
Andrew Wilsonthey yeah and I guess yes like let me ask it a different way okay when you're walking down the street and you just see people lifting up heavy [ __ ] off the ground okay do you see
04:54:10
TTS Readertouch my blade donated $200 wait so men in the majority of power men in ultimate power voted out SL the voted for women to vote so all of
04:54:22
Andrew Wilsonthe rights you have were voted in by the very oppressors you have issue with it's well that's a it's kind of an interesting point but I think we can kind of sidestep it for a second just kind of figure this out right thank you
04:54:34
Andrew WilsonBL when you're just walking down the street and just Things You observe around you the people who lift the heaviest amount of [ __ ] are men or women typically men yes why cuz they're biologically stronger much stronger right but some women are can be strong
04:54:46
Andrew Wilsontoo I don't disagree there are some strong very strong women I have no doubt that there are many women on this planet who are much much stronger than me are they not capable to fight in War I don't think that uh ultimately we would want
04:54:58
Andrew Wilsonto create a policy around trying to find really strong women to fight our Wars because we're just not going to find very many of them right well I don't think we need to find strong women any women can still help yeah they're not going to be on combat but they could
04:55:09
Andrew Wilsonstill help yeah yeah but takes less men out of being drafted yeah yeah sure but even then even if we were to draft based along that you're in a support role okay you're still not in a combat role so
04:55:20
Andrew Wilsonwhere do you die you die in the combat right you don't die making the MREs you die in the field trying to get to the m right so the question ultimately becomes if you have the sex with the capacity to
04:55:33
Andrew Wilsondo this meaning the other army is all men would you rather have an all male Army to oppose them um you're you're you're a general now right like you're in charge of the
04:55:43
Andrew Wilsonentire United States armed forces the enemy has is out outnumbers you and it's all men would you prefer to have an all male Army to oppose them I think it depends on the physical capability if women are physically capable with the
04:55:57
Andrew Wilsonmen or if men are not capable enough they're too skinny they're not strong enough to fight some men wouldn't be capable yeah but on average don't you think that men would be much stronger more equipped to do this yes yeah they I mean they just can right they can carry way more gear they can load the tanks
04:56:10
Andrew Wilsonback they can they can do all of this stuff better because they're physically stronger so obviously if your job is to kill other human beings you're going to try to move towards the sex which is much stronger right like that just kind
04:56:21
Andrew Wilsonof tracks doesn't it I feel like you should move who has strength not the sex just strength in general yeah but but here's men but here's the thing even if that's true and we find every single
04:56:32
Andrew Wilsonwoman who can go on par with men necessarily through her idea of intersectionality it would still be men doing the Lion Share of this fighting there's no way around that right so like
04:56:43
Andrew Wilsoneven if we found all of the the women who like can fight just as good as the men can on the front line necessarily it's going to be far less of them right yes so it' still be men who would be impressed in that position right M so if
04:56:55
Andrew Wilsonthat is the case right and this grievance is there because the capacity is only there for men to really be able to do this you would not want to make policy around trying to find just like
04:57:06
Andrew Wilsondrafting it what a waste resource it would be to like get 1,000 women in for three potential candidates who could be soers skills they can do other things though yeah but but they're not battling right that's the problem's not only
04:57:18
Andrew Wilsonbattle there's so much that goes into war but the big part right the part that you need yeah is the guys in the field with the bullets right you need that that's there's that's not negotiable
04:57:29
Angel/Lily/Claudiaright it can be men making the MREs or women making the MREs but it really isn't going to be women who are going to be doing the actual fighting right so would you feel more safe like let's say would you feel like you're going to win a war if it's like let's
04:57:41
Angel/Lily/Claudiasay your group is women fighting against men would you feel safer behind the women against the men or would you feel safer against the men against men are they Sharp Shooters if they got they're good with their guns women or men if they're good with their guns I'd feel
04:57:54
Isabellasafe either way well which which sex do you think would be better at that just on average guns shooting women or men men yeah men because it's been men shooting
04:58:05
Andrew Wilsonfor majority of the time women haven't been in these roles because these roles right just cuz they're stronger aim guns are heavy yeah guns are really heavy and by the way when you aim you're holding
04:58:16
Andrew Wilsonthe gun up M right very heavy gun and you're holding it up for a long long period of time well you're trained so I mean yeah but but but you have to train there has to be the capacity to be
04:58:28
Andrew Wilsontrained so that that capacity is going to have X amount of like muscle mass right and so like this is what we see when we look at police departments and things like this when they try to bring women in they have to lower the standard so that women can meet the standard m
04:58:40
Andrew Wilsonthey're not raising the standard right they lower it so that women can then do the job so the the ultimate question just kind of becomes if that is the case it's always going to be optimal to have men in the military at least in the
04:58:52
Andrew Wilsonmajority to do the fighting portion of that right so so if that is the case then again men are going to have that grievance okay and so how does that get balanced how does that get like how does that grievance get balanced that because
04:59:05
Andrew Wilsonmen necessarily are the ones who must do that because they're the only ones who can do that and even if some women can do that and even do that with the men it's still mostly going to get men or be men who do do that what special thing do
04:59:18
Andrew Wilsonthey get like what special things should we give them that only they have some yeah yeah wait I don't understand the men who are who are doing all of this fighting and whatnot yeah what like what
04:59:30
Andrew Wilsonspecial cookie do they get are they now an oppressed
04:59:37
Andrew Wilsonclass they get benefits after War so with the women that's true I they're just respected more respect respected so with the women exactly so what special
04:59:49
Angel/Lily/Claudiathing does this one intersectional group get that necessarily has all of its power stripped what power the oh like they are most of the people in
05:00:00
Andrew Wilsongovernment who make rules are fighting on the front lines of Wars the men yes yeah that's okay so wait wait that's what they get that's they get to control where this country
05:00:10
Andrew Wilsongo so just just so I get this right are you striving for a nation where women have at least 50% of the power to men yeah well then that negates this
05:00:21
Andrew Wilsonentire argument because you would still have this intersectional grievance here of men who are on the front lines battling and we don't have inter hang hang on hang on hang on one argument at a time right you would still have this
05:00:32
Andrew Wilsonintersectional grievance of all of these men who only have the capacity to do this where women do not have the capacity to do this and even if we to find all the ones that did it would still mostly be men you saying now we
05:00:44
Andrew Wilsonhave a split power Dynamic 50% women 50% men in government what's the special thing you're going to do to offset that for men why why does there have to be a special thing after great why does there have to be what I'm sorry does there
05:00:55
Andrew Wilsonneed to be affirmative actiones like a sticker for fighting what is affirmative action isn't that to correct grievances in intersections that are repressed historically yes okay well then that's exactly what I'm asking for for the
05:01:09
Andrew Wilsondraft I'm asking for an intersection for a grievance that historically have only affected men right and that's why mostly men are in government and they but you're striving to take them mostly out
05:01:21
Andrew Wilsonof government or only equalize power so if that's the case you you're not okay I see okay I see what you're okay I see what you're arguing that makes sense that does make sense um yeah I mean I
05:01:31
Angel/Lily/Claudiajust think I I think I go back to why do men need a sticker for fighting why do do that's if if that's their only option ifen can't fight then why then why if
05:01:43
Andrew Wilsonthat's the only option should they get awarded for something that only they can do like if I don't know I just that's well wait a second so is this like communism like from each according to their according to what they can do
05:01:55
Andrew Wilsonwhere there shouldn't even be War so I feel like I'm the bad person to talk yeah I mean not really though right I I I I I would just agree when is there an award for grievances what is affirmative
05:02:06
Andrew Wilsonaction um Define it that would be uh giving uh special hiring treatment or things like this to people of color because they have historically been oppressed well it's more like balancing
05:02:19
Andrew Wilsonthe playing grounds because that's well then how tell me how you balance the playing grounds for now we have this entire group of men and they they're the only ones have the capacity to do the one thing we need more than anything
05:02:30
Andrew Wilsonelse which is National Security National Defense should be mostly in government then well I'm asking you how you make this offset for intersectionality I don't know I don't have a solution for that because because because women don't
05:02:42
Andrew Wilsonever think about the fact that there is a historic oppression towards men that only men have ever bore right well I'm asking you I'm like I'm giving you your opportunity to tell me why that's not true and you're just
05:02:53
Andrew Wilsonkind of like well it is true I just don't give a [ __ ] right it's like I it's yeah it's true I just don't care because they can and so I'm like but that goes against this entire idea of intersectionality no I just think I mean I'm coming from a place where I don't
05:03:06
Andrew Wilsonthink War should even oh okay well hang on but then I'm I'm coming from a place where all of us should just be one race and and all of us should just be one sex y if all of us were just one race and one sex we would never have any
05:03:19
Andrew Wilsonof these and all of us should be the exact same strength the exact same height the exact same eye color exact same everything then we just don't have to worry touch my blade donated $200 does she understand what a draft is
05:03:31
Andrew Wilsonluk war my C she understands fine she she's contending with the idea and I think that that's fine you contend with the idea she not being disrespectful not being disrespectful background a nice conversation but I would I would
05:03:41
Andrew Wilsongenuinely enjoy kind of getting your your perspective on that right um I don't actually understand how this grievance from in from the intersectionality standpoint is actually
05:03:53
Andrew Wilsonever addressed if you if you're striving to equalize uh the Sexes when it comes to government every other grievance from every other group which has been
05:04:02
Andrew Wilsonhistorically uh oppressed including women as a monolith by your logic still needs to be offset but for some reason men don't get those same benefits and I don't actually understand
05:04:16
Andrew Wilsonwhy yeah I really I just that's my question right it's like why shouldn't they get so shouldn't they get some kind of like intersectional I don't know reward of
05:04:27
Angel/Lily/Claudiasome sort sure I just can't give you an answer I think that's something that's been that's where we're at as a country I think trying to figure out a balance of those intersectionalities so I I can't really give a solution for what
05:04:39
Angel/Lily/Claudiathe country should do to balance that out M but I agree that it should be balanced out somehow somehow somehow and I don't have an answer for you for that do you
05:04:57
Brian Atlasuh are you getting up
05:05:02
Brian Atlasokay uh do you think women should be drafted
05:05:12
Angel/Lily/Claudiayes I I think yes but I also agree with your guys's point that men are just biologically stronger and I don't think
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Angel/Lily/Claudiait would benefit much but it does level out well it would beity it's a form of I yes and that's why I think they should be drafted I think they should be drafted yeah okay you're in favor of yes
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Brian Atlasforced con uh conscription for women they should be if more yes I mean well well so there's The Selective Service as men we have to register if we want to be able if if we as men want to be able to
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Brian Atlasvote if we want to get certain federal student loans if we want certain federal jobs if we don't want uh there's a I believe it's a misdemeanor you can be fined uh $250,000 if you don't register
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Brian Atlasfor the Selective Service um and actually they recently passed this where I think it just becomes automatic but women are barred from having to uh
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Brian Atlasregister with a selective service and they would in some wartime scenario they would be barred from having to be drafted so you're in favor just well I don't think anyone should have to be
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Brian Atlasdrafted but if since it is a thing yes I think everyone should have to be drafted I mean why would it be just one okay group I suppose that's fair um let's see
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Brian Atlaswe did have a message that we were going to allow to come in uh it was um H we'll come back to some of this
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TTS Readerstuff but I'll let this one techn Trooper donated $200 ladies what do you think are the biggest struggles men have right now in the dating
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Brian Atlasenvironment starting with you do you have anything um could you come back to me come back to me for a
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Isabellasecond anything anything anything anything uh I think um the burden of being expected to pay on dates
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Brian Atlaslike people would be like oh he doesn't pay um he's not worth it I feel like I don't feel I feel like that's bad oh that's a good one like who pays or whatever yeah mhm uh also really quick
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Brian Atlasbefore we get wait who pays I didn't really hear an answer though I know we kind we divert a little bit is there a greater gender grievance than forced military
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Brian Atlasconscription or men's Duty when it comes to Warfare throughout history is there a bigger gender grievance that any of you can state is it sorry are you asking like is there
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Serena/Arianaanything that men suffer from more than women suffer more than men um no I think I mean men have the highest unal living rates of themselves I'm asking I'm
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Brian Atlasasking if there's a greater female gender grievance than men's involvement in Warfare throughout history I don't think
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Brian Atlasso sex trafficking not worse there I feel like there are more sex trafficking bad sex trafficking bad not nearly as
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Brian Atlasbad as Warfare I feel like Warfare is the worst I do think but I feel like there are more grievances towards women there is that extreme gri on you I'll even double down on this think different
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Brian AtlasWarfare Warfare on its own excluding all the other grievances men have for example greater light there's a greater workplace fatalities greater
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Brian Atlashomelessness greater uh self deletion rates all kinds of stuff Warfare what's that nothing go ahead say it no thank
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Brian Atlasyou okay so just looking at Warfare alone I think it is actually if you combine all of women's grievances it
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Brian Atlasdoesn't even compare to the sole male grievance when it comes to Mal's involvement in Warfare have you ever been to work do you know how how would that be relevant because like have you
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaever been sex trafficked no but shut up no but I've been like sexually assault you have you been sex trafficked it's the same when you get sex traffic you technically get Ed cuz
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Brian Atlasyou what can happen when you're sex traffic were you have you been sex trafficked no trafficked no okay so I have not been to war but that doesn't mean that I don't I have fac you know how then you can't say like what mean
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Brian Atlaswar is one of the most document you're not a guy in war like I can't even say that the same thing the different this doesn't even make any sense what if he had then he can and then he can state that opinion that it's worse than the
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaother thing ask bring up a guy that's been in a war have youever had AB traff have you ever had an abortion no you can't have an opinion on abortion then yes I can no you've never
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Andrew Wilsonhad I haven't had like forced abortion you've what and like like purposely I'm sorry what like a miscarriage you mean or something like that well I don't even want to get into the details but I think
05:10:08
Andrew WilsonI think actually uh Brian's argument here is pretty good so the the idea here is just this the idea is just
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Andrew Wilsonum if you say right men men can do this so they should who can have kids it's women does that mean they
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Andrew Wilsonshould no no so so then if men can fight the wars then they should also doesn't make much sense un fight War I I I just
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Andrew WilsonI don't feel like it only should be men yeah but it but but but let's let us assume for a seconds not okay okay and that women also go to the front lines and they do battle okay you still are
05:10:53
Andrew Wilsongoing to have to concede that it's still majority of it going to be men just like in the police department things like that still because they have the necessary Force application right so so if that's true then we're still kind of
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Andrew Wilsonback to the idea that it's still mostly going to be men no matter what and if they should do it because they're the only ones who can do it then why wouldn't you apply that same logic to
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Andrew Wilsonwell if women are the only ones who can have babies then they should have babies this this doesn't this is like so well why should men fight in Wars for their
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Andrew WilsonNation they're forced to well if they were not forced to we would still need them to why should they should they if we need them yes I feel like everyone
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Isabellashould find War if we need people to find War yeah I know but but can can women effectively fight in these wars like men can I feel like if they were in war and more technology could be
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IsabellaAdvanced if we were in it more like there's so there's not we we don't have a position there if we had more time in there I feel like we could develop and find our own use in war women can yeah
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Andrew Wilsonbut what about the fighting part they probably could fight too you think that women could fight yes so let me ask you a question okay do you think if you had a foreign Nation with an all female milit yes the same technology as an all male military same technology same
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Andrew Wilsontechnology makes a difference same technology okay and they went to battle with each other yes you think that it would be equal no why stronger men yeah so the force applicator right it's like
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Andrew Wilsonno matter what we're just always going to kind of come back to men kind of have to do that fighting part more than women right like I don't I don't see a way around it by your and that's your own logic right even if they're equally
05:12:36
Andrew Wilsontechnologically advanced you know what I mean it's still yeah not not going to not going to work right it's still going to be men who are the majority in these wars so are they the only ones really
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Andrew Wilsonwho can do that for now yes maybe the future things will be so should they do that because they can do that should they find War if needed mhm
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Andrew Wilsonif they're D yes okay well then if that is the case if we need more people should women have babies we don't need more people if we did
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Andrew Wilsonif they did if we did if we did maybe I don't know wait maybe like maybe they should be should they this is not a real they forced to have children this is not a real situation it is right now do you
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Andrew Wilsonknow what the birth rate is no in the west it's below replacement we actually need more babies we need them like that's not even not even negotiable that we need them right so I I I see you want
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Andrew Wilsonto jump in I'm happy to let you right uh just a second I'm almost done with this so uh yeah we do we do need them but let's just assume for a second because she's going to be like but the UN project and then we'll get into that in
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Andrew Wilsona second but um let us assume for a second just just hypothetically purely hypothetically that you took a country like South Korea where the birth rate's
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Andrew Wilsonbelow one yeah one it's below one that's not sustainable that's like culture doomed right culture other areas with high population and restrictions on
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Andrew Wilsonyeah I get it I get it but but if the the people group itself the nation wants to survive the government says we need more children should the women oblige I don't think so you don't think so right
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Angel/Lily/Claudiabut but men should oblige to fight for the nation it's kind of an odd standard go ahead go ahead so you're arguing for a handmaid tail situation you think that if the birth R's plummeting women I'm sorry what argument did I make hang on
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Angel/Lily/Claudiahang on what argument did I make well so you're basically comparing War to birth rates and saying if men are forced to fight Wars because only they can then women should be forced to have give birth because only they can nope I'm
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Andrew Wilsonutilizing your standard not my own I haven't given an argument or position of what I even think on it what do you think I'm just utilizing the position you have the position of should so men should fight this because they're the
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Andrew Wilsonones who can fight this I don't think okay anyone should be forced to fight nobody should be nobody should I don't think anyone should be forced to do anything so if the nation right is being
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Andrew Wilsonum in some way there's a preparation for an invasion on the United States you don't think that the your government should be able to compel anybody to go fight in a war no not if they not if they don't want to I don't think anyone should be like yes then maybe the
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Angel/Lily/Claudiacountry will die and that's I'm and the women are I'm just saying no one like I don't think because if you are going to compare War to birth and you're saying only one group can do something then
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Angel/Lily/Claudiathey should I don't think anyone should have to do anything that's fine I just want to make sure let me let me wrap this real quick I just want to make sure I got this right if the country is being
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Andrew Wilsonthreatened by foreign enemies right and it put in a compulsory draft because it needed to defend itself very quickly from these enemies you're going to get a few weeks of training and then right to the front line because you have to
05:15:50
Andrew Wilsondefend your nation right otherwise there ain't going to be a nation to defend um you don't think that men should feel the obligation to go do that they should feel the obligation okay but but I don't I don't
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Andrew Wilsonthink that means they should be forced to go into war and okay maybe let's say so okay okay hang on I just want to make sure I got it clear I think I understand what you're saying if they want to volunteer to go sure but if they don't
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Andrew Wilsonwant to volunteer now let's say the government needs oh I don't know 20 million soldiers that's going to be far and a way
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Andrew Wilsonoutpaced uh the need from the amount of people who would actually go into service right they need 20 million so it's like an outrageously large military
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Andrew Wilsonforce 20 20 million just like one branch right uh they needed those conscripts and there's not enough people volunteering what would your solution to that be well do you think they should be
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Andrew Wilsonforced to go so then if you're comparing War to birth and you think someone who can hang on hang on well can I finish my question didn't answer mine before you asked one I'd like you to answer mine
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Andrew Wilsonand then ask yours so my question to you specifically was why do you think that if the government needed 20 million soldiers to fight in a war when the
05:17:05
Andrew Wilsonnation was under threat that they should be able to draft those
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Angel/Lily/Claudiasoldiers no no because I'm coming from a stance of and so the entailment of this is the country totally destroyed well
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Angel/Lily/Claudiabecause then I'm comparing it to if things are equal between genders MH then if the birth rate is plummeting I also do not believe that women should be forced to give birth right you don't like the entailment of the the position
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Andrew WilsonI understand that but I think you should feel obligated as a human country to do your but wait there's a second entailment here actually there's two more so the second entailment here also
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TTS Readeris that damn it touch my blade donated $200 should let an invasion happen maybe by a nation that doesn't have the same
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TTS Readervalues think of one a bad one if men don't want to fight cool now you have new Masters which would you prefer new or right well this moves into this entailment so the second entailment is
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Andrew Wilsonokay another Nation goes okay we need 20 million soldiers and we're going to force you [ __ ] to fight over here we need them we can't force our men to fight under your like bizarre guidelines
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Andrew Wilsonof you know it can only be it can only be based around the fact that you want to go and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah who has the advantage here the other country the other country right so you've necessarily push your nation at a huge disadvantage to the
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Andrew Wilsonother nations which are around them to be conquered right how how would people like us not see that as subversion like as actual subversion to the nation if the idea is we can't even
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Andrew Wilsonequi and and defend ourselves properly because the entailment of that is like you might have some additional duties right like it's totally but that's the second but then we have the third entail
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Andrew WilsonMage the one that you don't like which is well wait if we could compel men to do that then we could compel women to have children if we needed to to right that's the entailment you don't like
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaright yeah I what's compel versus Force cuz I think as a as a country you should you should persuade and encourage women be drafted to have babies if we need them finish my sentence well I'm clarifying you ask was trying to finish
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Angel/Lily/Claudiawait you asked the question yeah I'm sorry you asked me the you asked me the question like five statements ago and I was speaking and finishing my sentence yeah yeah I'm sorry I thought you asked for the clarification you said what does
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Andrew Wilsonthis mean so I was just telling you okay oh I see okay the question yeah um what was what was yeah so I was just saying the entailment of women giving birth right should women be drafted to
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Angel/Lily/Claudiagive birth if we need it no right why because then I I I Envision handmaid's tail and that's just that's like I don't know I that's just a whole that's not even a democracy that's not Freedom that's not Equity so then the draft isn't either well I I don't agree with the draft I don't think it I don't think
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaanyone should be forced to but then the entailment of that is you give all of your enemies hug Advantage country should encourage their citizens to fight if they need to I think they should encourage their women to give birth if they need to but I don't think by any
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Andrew Wilsonmeans they should force them to do so so okay so if a country didn't force women to give birth like conscript them to give birth like they do conscript men to get into a draft okay would you be okay
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Andrew Wilsonwith propaganda that would increase the birth rate like don't have an abortion abortions are bad stop having abortions they're terrible like today or
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaeven I don't putting in LW that limited the amount of abortions one could have like would that be okay I think um CU that's a good question I
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Angel/Lily/Claudiathink those are steps that lead to the extreme eventually I I do think certain values should be encouraged but I don't think that should come at the cost of certain freedoms and Liberties yeah
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Andrew Wilsonright I get it so but just so you know the kind of the entailments of these positions then is that if if there can't be any compulsion to do what the nation needs via draft of men because it has to be volunteer because you're afraid that
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Andrew Wilsonthe flip side of that is well women could also be tapped for duties that we need that only they could do um then you put us at massive disadvantages to our
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaenemies so it's like so so how's this whole ideology guess I value Freedom over security and you vice versa no no
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Andrew Wilsonno the opposite see see I think that freedom can only be can only be secured if you have if you have Force right so like force is necessary so like as the
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Andrew WilsonGreek said right without law there can be no freedom without law there can be no freedom I mean everyone would agree with that right you can't be free in an anarcho whatever with Warlords so right
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Andrew Wilsonthe but but if your entire ideology ends up from this one thing the the abortion thing leading to just Mass aversion to the point where we're not even able to
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Andrew Wilsondraft to defend the nation if necessary why would I not see that entire ideology as being completely subversive can you repeat the first part yeah why wouldn't I see an ideology which says
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Andrew Wilsonthat I cannot defend the nation by drafting if necessary to defend it as being anything other than subversive yeah I mean I like I said before I think because I I'm coming from a a stance
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TTS Readerof no one should be forced to do something and maybe that leaves someone at a disadvantage touch my blade donated one more follow I'm done she should live in another country and see what it looks like when she isn't protected stop
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Andrew Wilsonanticipating what I'm going to say my the same way yeah so so this was this was my question now I want I want to just make sure that I got this clear let us assume for a
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Andrew Wilsonsecond the government has Intel that a horrible barbaric nation is about to attack us okay we need to draw every man
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Andrew Wilsonfrom their home okay this nation declares that it's going to put every single woman in that nation in camps and Essay them every single
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaday to the men if they're drafted go to fight that enemy well and I mean so that's that's ignoring my part that or my stance that
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Andrew Wilsona draft shouldn't be so you're were saying if the draft is in place and no there's no draft in place let us you're saying men should feel obligated to go no I'm just asking should they be compelled to do it even in the situation where the enemy is so is such that if
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Andrew Wilsonthey do not the enemy declares that they're going to essay every single woman and then put them all to the sword they should feel obligated yes but they shouldn't be forced they shouldn't be forced I don't think anyone should be forced so even if the entailment of this
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Andrew Wilsonis is that it's worse for us not to do this for the society which is around us all the women go to the camp right and the men will be killed and the men will be it's still
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Brian Atlasknow okay I want to actually congratulate both both of you I thought that was a fantastic exchange yeah
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Brian Atlasokay uh we have a couple chats here that uh came through uh blade he did really quick this one touch my BL donated $200 the one you
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TTS Readershould let an invasion happen maybe by a nation that doesn't have the same values think of one a bad one if men don't want to fight cool now you have new Masters
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Andrew Wilsonwhich would you prefer new war yeah right so this I mean so you're exactly Right Touch My blade so my kind of thought process here is that um if other
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Andrew Wilsonnations knew that there would be no way to compel uh the citizenry to go and fight especially in modernity um those would be the Nations I'd want to invade especially if the ailment of it was like
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Andrew Wilsonwe will never Force you under any circumstances even if your women are getting butchered in the streets that's the no no it's just kind of to me it just seems like it's so absurd you know it just seems that makes sense that's a good point and I guess I just I I that's
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Brian Atlasnot topic I've like to the extreme that I've really re thought about enough so I mean but these are realistic scenarios right yeah no they are they are things to think about especially historically when it came to Warfare where I mean now
05:25:20
Andrew Wilsonthere's like rules of war and stuff which even today are still broken you see this going on and there's no rules to War I mean Israel just blew up everybody's pager right there's no rules anymore but also with the birth rate as
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Jakewell Israel's a really good example of that because they were getting outbred by the Palestinians Y and then I think it wasat who was a Palestinian leader said his greatest weapon is the woman's womb because they were just breeding
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Jakebreeding breeding and then Israel knew that they were going to become a minority so then they had a mass propaganda campaign to get their birth rate up and they did they did they gave
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Andrew Wilsonfree inv vitro fertilization they they would do it up to 10 to 10 times but the problem is is that it can't be sustained because the age that women are having children is in their 30s now and since
05:26:06
Brian Atlasthat's the case it's not going to be sustainable and and I mean as recently as World War II I think on the German side and the Russian side you know as the Germans entered into Russia and then
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Andrew Wilsonas Russia entered back into Germany wasn't there significant amounts of uh well Stalin stopped all abortion inside of the Soviet Union because he knew he needed the numbers so they stopped all abortion because they knew they needed
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Andrew Wilsonthe numbers of soldiers that were going to be necessary required to defend the motherland so they stopped it all but I'm just saying the and by the way they they were the ones ultimately who won World War to so yeah but yeah I was more
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Brian Atlasso saying just like the the women were being victimized as Germany went into Russia and as Russia then turn went into back into Germany so Russ well they called it the well the RW of Berlin for
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Brian Atlasa reason like they literally went through and yeah the whole country they just n King as well Vietnam uh we have law paladins here it's not an odd standard it's a very consistent standard
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Brian Atlasanti-human ideology babies are bad men dying in Wars good uh blank good abortions good career good family's bad ask her about breeders well it's I didn't even say that I I agree
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Andrew Wilsonbabies are bad I I agree you didn't say that I 100% agree with that and I would not put words in your mouth I just look for the entailments of the position like where does this lead where does this
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TTS Readeridea eventually go touch my blade donated $200 thank you blade seems a somewhat what privileged opinion to not worry about if men will protect you in a nation that they already do historically
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Andrew Wilsonand currently right well and it would be really funny I think intersectionalist could do something really good about this right they could kind of take the wind out of the sales of men by saying
05:27:51
Andrew Wilsonokay we're just not going to count men as a monolith but then they couldn't count women as a monolith and if they can't count women as a monolith it can't be a whole oppressed class because
05:28:01
Andrew Wilsonthey're they outnumber men at 51% to 49 men go wait a second that makes no sense you outnumber us and they go well yeah but we're still an oppressed minority because of power dynamics and so we have to count the entire thing it's like okay
05:28:14
Andrew Wilsonwell then you have to count men as a monolith too which is just crazy to me we have Lord 69 where is
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Brian Atlasit uh chair 4 why do you have such a lack of respect for men why are you so unappreciative of men my name is Lily and I do respect and appreciate men I think there are a lot of men that are
05:28:36
Brian Atlasgreat that doesn't mean I don't think are 30% 30% you said 30% okay I don't you forced me to pick a number I don't have like I didn't force you well you were pushing me to do it if I was silent
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Brian Atlasyou originally you said 40% something 70 70 million men in the unit my response that I do respect and appreciate men do we need men yes just like we need women we need both I don't think there's a world where it
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Brian Atlascan just you don't think okay what do you think meditating on that one um
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Andrew Wilsonhuh oh she wants to tangle on that one um I'm not I'm not I'm not convinced on that to be honest with you okay but for the same reasons that you wouldn't be
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Andrew Wilsonright so I just say like sure men are men are total monsters right and say that and since they could well no this is me right it's like okay if men really are the Capa have the capacity to just be kind of like these oppressive monsters then why not just handmade tail
05:29:33
Andrew Wilsonthe whole thing you just put all the women in the cages right and uh just like life stock them if you wanted to women could never do that in opposition and so because of that I'm like it seems like men are pretty benevolent because
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Andrew Wilsonthey really could and have in other countries done that like in the Middle East places like this they completely stripped the rights of women kind of overnight and women can't really do much about it but but they can't do it in reverse right they can't make men do
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Andrew Wilsonthis in Reverse so when the question becomes are women necessary it's like yeah I can agree that women are necessary to have children but are they necessary to run a society clearly not
05:30:08
Andrew Wilsonnot like clearly not like I can point to you many societies right now where they're totally unnecessary in the running of the society like that's just factually true now what you're doing is you're taking this in your head I can tell you this
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Andrew Wilsonright now here's what you're doing you're going he actually believes that you should put women in cages and do horrible thing even though I literally never said a word like that I just want to let you know right now that that's
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Andrew Wilsonnot my a claim I'm just saying what is true good but I wasn't yeah so what so what is true is that no I don't think Society needs women to function I don't think it needs them in any support role really I don't think it needs them in
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Andrew Wilsonany leadership role whatsoever I think that if women were essentially relegated to second class citizens as an is statement not an ought as an is statement if women were relegated second class citizens think Society wouldd be
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Andrew Wilsonfine that's really upsetting to hear so you really just think that women exist to give birth see that's the see the I see the a you see the a there that you did there you think women only exist to
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Andrew Wilsondo that's an a CL I'm not saying I don't think women only exist to do that I'm telling you descriptively I want you to answer to the descriptor with a counter
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Andrew Wilsondescriptor I think it is true not ought to be but is true that if women were relegated to second class citizen touch my blade donated
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TTS Reader$200 if all men passed instantly or if all women pass this guy's like always 5 seconds behind me on this would last longer take infrastructure Power Water
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Andrew Wilsonfood farming Etc I I just want the the the counter descriptor so I'm not saying this should be true I'm not saying that you should do any of this because you
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Andrew Wilsonshouldn't I'm just giving the descriptor of what is correct and accurate so from my view it is correct descriptively true that if all women were made into second class citizens tomorrow they had no real
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Andrew Wilsonrights they were not allowed in government positions of any kind nor leadership positions that society would be just there would not be any like I can't really even Envision I just really can't even really
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Andrew WilsonEnvision any problems honestly so I'm I'm waiting for a counter descriptor to say NOP I do think that there would be lots and lots and lots of problems and here's what they would be but I don't want to hear a what
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Andrew Wilsonwe should do because I already agree with you we shouldn't do this well not enough women have even been in government to prove that they have the capabilities to help run it yeah but that doesn't counter the descriptor of what of of this being true like let's
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Andrew WilsonI'm I'm just going to grant that like maybe women would be the best bestest rulers ever um let's say they occupied 90% of government they'd be way better than men my descriptor though is just
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Angel/Lily/Claudiathat if all women were relegated to second class citizenry I don't see why Society wouldn't function fine I mean I just disagree with you
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Angel/Lily/Claudiajust on the grounds of you can't have one what is it strata or like one type of person be power well it wouldn't be one type of person it would be thousands of different types of people men it
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Andrew Wilsonwould be men yeah but but wait wait there's only well there's only two types of humans right men and women right right so there's male and fale Ty person but can't we point to cultures right now where women are completely disenfranchised from all power roles and
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Andrew Wilsonthe society functions fine not for them they're miserable they're it's not they can't do the things they want I agree it's not good for the women the women don't like it but that not contending again with the descriptor the descriptor
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Angel/Lily/Claudiais would Society be fine like you could have a totally happiness of their citizens and the abilities of for them to act out according to their own needs and wants and so if women are oppressed and they can't do that then it's not a
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Andrew Wilsonit's not a stable and good Society for everybody what if they have a a massive brainwashing program which convinces all of the women that they're actually happy as many of these nations do and so
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Andrew Wilsonthe women report we're really happy no I'm not kidding like this is this is true right this second I can point to you many countries where this is the case golf States yep y tons tons
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Jakeof them you at countries like qar Dubai they don't have really any women in positions of power at all tomorrow here's how it's going be second second class citizens there Twitter here's
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Andrew WilsonTwitter tomorrow right Andrew Wilson says we should do thing I literally said we should never do just giving a descriptor but I can already tell I can already tell he wants women in cages I could
05:34:36
Brian Atlasjust I can hear it now well pal says thank you Andrew vote Andrew 2024 Taliban party but seriously you've already absorbed anti-ab propaganda idiocracy handmaids tale even cartoons
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Andrew Wilsonyou watched as baby Fern Fern goalie too many human that was that was a banger of a movie by the way that other guy real sharp what is his name Slade blade blade yeah my blade he seems my blade he seems
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Brian Atlaslike he's he's on he's on point he's he's uh he's been uh firing off uh well I think also maybe Andrew you can speak to like the actual I guess practical application
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Brian Atlashere when it comes to men being involved in critical infrastructure and is that kind of the angle that you're coming at this with like no I'm literally coming at it from all angles if women were removed from all societal function like
05:35:23
Andrew Wilsonlet's say that this is a Middle Eastern nation where you can't walk down the street without like having a male escort those Nations I'm not kidding they exist right now I know that for some reason
05:35:33
Andrew Wilsonfeminists think that this is like you're talking about a hypothetical handmaid these civilizations exist right now and they have hundreds of millions of people in them hundreds of
05:35:44
Andrew Wilsonmillions um if you remove women from all critical roles in society these nations keep going fine like they and and in many cases they
05:35:55
Andrew WilsonThrive like that is descriptively true so I don't even know why people argue it it's like I agree is a little bit more liberal but like yeah it's just true right you're look at countries like uh Saudi it's
05:36:08
Andrew Wilsonlike that saud's a pretty prosperous country it's like that all over all over the Middle East it's like that in many regions of uh Asian Nations as well it's like that in many many places where like women are completely removed from all
05:36:20
Andrew Wilsonpositions of a Power Authority autonomy and just I mean yeah the society's function like now you can say it's not optimal sure you can say it's morally reprehensible agreed but that's not taking away the
05:36:33
Brian Atlasfact that they were touch my blade donated $200 I'm Australian so we still know what's up plad great did he lose you now with the Australian thing he lost you people been sitting here trying to
05:36:45
Serena/Arianaconvince me forever that country exists not a real country make some a comment about what you said cuz it's actually a great Point um one of my favorite graphic novels is called why the last man and yeah H readit yeah and
05:36:57
Serena/Arianaessentially one day all of the men just with yorri isn't that his name Yori or yurin or something yeah yor yor yeah and Society completely fell part because
05:37:08
Serena/Arianawomen only make up like 2% of Engineers or doctors and they didn't know what to do I mean you have to read it it's actually a really cool perspective Society was completely decimated one
05:37:18
Serena/Arianalast and it went insane because it helps you realize like how much Men actually have a a role in society when I feel like this generation in the sense makes
05:37:29
Serena/Arianait seem like they don't or try to downplay men you know and it's very easy to to forget how important they are and how much they do have to contribute and how much expectations they are put on
05:37:42
Andrew Wilsonthem from the moment they're born yeah I agree with you I think I think that you're you're you push this point right that people actually get very very upset
05:37:53
Andrew Wilsonif you just kind of point out obvious things that that contend with their kind of preconceived notions in this particular case most of human history most of human society and currently I
05:38:05
Andrew Wilsonwould say most Societies in the World outside of the West women are relegated to secondary roles and Society is absolutely flourished I just want right except the West the West is the only one
05:38:18
Andrew Wilsonway below thresholds or birth rates they're the ones who are way below kind of these thriving rates and so it's like descriptively I can clearly see that women were relegated historically to a
05:38:30
Andrew Wilsonlesser role and in most Nations right the second they're relegated to a lesser role and these societies function fine so this like idea that women must be in all these it's just absurd to me I don't I don't even understand why anybody
05:38:43
Andrew Wilsonwould argue with that they they could say um again you make the moral arguments against it I would agree right I don't want them in a secondary role I'm just saying that descriptively it you know obvious I can see with my own
05:38:54
Brian Atlaseyeballs that these societies are not going like out of existence because women are not in government I would like to bring it back to dating for at least the most of the ends of the show but you
05:39:05
Brian Atlasdo seem to be shaking your head here is there still disagreement on this I'm done you're you're done I'm done was it was it the
05:39:13
Angel/Lily/Claudiamisogyny was it the Raging Andrew Wilson misogyny that did it even though it was like a or it wasn't a clim su like men Superior Superior yeah like okay you proved you're better like I don't know
05:39:26
Andrew Wilsonlike what are you even trying why why are you arguing for that I didn't never argue for valid I don't think you by the by the way I just want to let you know hang on I just want to let you know I never argued for it hang on hang on I would like you to
05:39:39
Andrew Wilsonacknowledge that not one time did I actually argue for that no nope can't do it you if you give a descriptor you believe it do you think society would be better
05:39:51
Angel/Lily/Claudiawithout men I don't think society would would be better without men or women like there need to be both also to point for for society women need ners Educators caregivers and that's not to say that
05:40:04
Angel/Lily/Claudiathey can't also do other things and yes maybe this book you read prove that like they 3% or 2% of Engineers or doctors or whatever but if in a world hypothetically if men did not exist a a world could still flourish with just
05:40:16
Angel/Lily/Claudiawomen I'm not it can if just men a world could flourish just women a world could flourish but with both there needs to be some kind of level ground where both can flourish at the same time without pushing down another exactly but I I
05:40:27
Brian Atlasalmost wonder if this is more so like and we've we've gone into these like apocalyptic scenarios where where what would happen if all men disappeared
05:40:37
Brian Atlasinstantly or all women disappeared instantly and I think perhaps Andrew a little bit of what he's getting to although he seems to have expanded on in a bit is that if all women were to have
05:40:49
Brian Atlasto disappear it would suck that would be terrible it would be the end of the species but when it comes to the survival oh Andrew disagrees okay what