RAGE QUIT! California Liberal Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson DEBATE! 700+ Body Count? | Dating Talk #198
Date: 2024-09-23
Duration: 8h 09m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Sasha(guest)
SPEAKER_03Production/Crew(audience)
SPEAKER_04Serena/Ariana(guest)
SPEAKER_05Isabella(guest)
SPEAKER_06Angel/Lily/Claudia(guest)
SPEAKER_08TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_13Jake(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:19
IntroBrian begins guest introductions
“without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead”
00:05:02
QuoteSasha says God sends her money, then clarifies she earns $7K/month from OnlyFans
“God sent me money God sends you money yeah so there's like cuz I I seriously don't know how how I survive”
00:10:42
QuoteSasha discloses 13 years of escorting history
“do you have a history of other kinds of sex work yeah escorting for certain years escorting quit last year for how many years 13 years”
00:11:25
QuoteSasha describes crossing US-Mexico border on foot with 8 pieces of luggage
“I flyed to Mexico and then I cross border by my feet with my eight luggages in my hand”
01:34:04
ControversyBrian reopens Angel's background: 'Angel you have had a messed up life'
“let's get back into some of the pre-show notes so going back to you angel angel you have had a messed up life”
01:36:37
ControversyAngel claims to be a virgin despite OnlyFans; Jake immediately calls her a liar
“so you you claim you're a virgin I am but it's not for any reason I just haven't wanted to do”
01:37:32
QuoteAngel says she has made out with about 400 people
“mine wasn't sex it was more so making out with people and it's very weird so I had just had this conversation the other day I had to have made out with about 400 people”
02:05:16
QuoteBrian reveals Sasha did 100+ scenes and many gangbangs
“how many scenes did you do over 100 over 100 have you ever done like two two guys I did many gang bangs many”
02:07:09
QuoteSasha reveals her porn niche: double anal penetration; tattoo on arm
“my Niche is double anal penetration is that why you have the tattoo”
02:09:55
QuoteSasha describes her spiritual awakening / decision to quit porn via mirror moment
“there was um um eyeliner and a draw on the mirror start of the David and I just looked so deep inside”
02:12:09
ControversyAndrew challenges Sasha for continuing to produce/distribute porn after 'quitting'
“so your Revelation from God was stop allowing men to have sex with you but continue to allow other women”
02:13:32
QuoteSasha admits she only cares about her own happiness ('solipsism' per Andrew)
“I care only about my happiness for the moment yeah you only give a [redacted] about yourself”
03:39:13
ControversyBrian challenges Lily's '30-40% of men are dangerous' claim — apex fallacy argument
“you think 70 million men in the United States would choose to assault you?”
03:43:15
QuoteBrian points out Lily's bear-vs-man logic mirrors a man saying he distrusts all women
“isn't this just sort of essentially the mirror of what you're saying by picking the bear — absolutely it is yes”
05:38:54
ControversyLily says 'I'm done' after Andrew's societal argument about women in secondary roles
“I'm done you're done I'm done was it the misogyny was it the Raging Andrew Wilson misogyny that did it”
06:03:59
OtherLily gets up to leave (to pick up gay friend, 4 hours away, class in morning)
“let's bring it to dating thank you touch my blade wait hey wait where you going stay come back”
06:05:47
QuoteBody count round: answers go around the table — 2, 0, 12, 6, 5
“going around the table what's your body count two you're not going to believe me zero already said 12 six — five mine's a little bit higher it's around like up to 15 multiply by three”
06:19:15
QuoteBrian notes Lily got a Visual Arts degree after Charlie Kirk episode
“Visual Arts you got you got to visualize yourself in the forest with a men instead of a bear”
Topics Discussed
00:03:19
Guest Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian clarifies each. Panel: Sasha (36, Russian, porn star), Isabella (18, UCSB psych), Angel (18, Florida, OnlyFans), Lily (22, Ohio/SDSU), Claudia (21, pharmacy/modeling), Serena (21, LA, student), Ariana (27, Las Vegas, accounting), Andrew Wilson (political debater), Jake (Rattlesnake TV).
00:10:10
Relationship Status Round
Each guest states current relationship status, length single, and longest relationship. Sasha single 3.5 years; Isabella in LDR; Angel 'chronically single'; Lily single 2 months; Claudia in relationship; Serena in relationship 2 years; Ariana single.
00:10:20
Sasha: Russia, Asylum, Escorting Background
Deep dive into Sasha's background: 13 years escorting worldwide, entered US via Mexico border after quitting escorting (spiritual awakening in Jerusalem). Andrew presses on why asylum was needed if she traveled freely. Sasha says political opposition to Putin. Child in Thailand with French-Jewish father.
00:20:50
Dating Preferences / Charisma / Attractiveness Standards
Angel and Lily discuss requirements in a partner: humor, charisma, motivation. Brian defines charisma. Lily says 50% of men physically attractive, 20% personality compatible.
00:31:31
Abortions vs. Democracy Question
TTS question: would you rather have democracy or access to abortions? Responses vary; Sasha and Ariana choose democracy; others split.
01:34:04
Angel's Messed-Up Life / Virginity Claim
Angel claims to be a virgin despite OnlyFans solo nude content, bipolar/BPD diagnoses, cocaine use, and making out with ~400 people. Jake and Brian are skeptical. Andrew questions logical consistency. Sasha and Ariana partially believe her. Angel describes previous relationship with a man who was later jailed for murder.
02:00:44
Sasha: Quitting Porn / Spiritual Awakening
Sasha explains quitting mainstream porn after Jerusalem experience. She continues solo OnlyFans. Andrew challenges inconsistency: she produces and distributes porn involving other women. Sasha says she only cares about her own happiness ('solipsism' per Andrew). Asylum timeline questioned — convenient she quit porn when applying for asylum.
02:44:50
Makeup and Deception
Brian argues makeup is deceptive in dating context. All panelists weigh in. Sasha describes personal experience feeling ugly without makeup. Comparison drawn: is a man lying about height on a dating app equivalent?
03:29:40
Bear vs. Man Debate
Lily states she would choose a bear over a random man in a forest. Brian and Andrew challenge this — 30-40% of men inclination claim is apex fallacy. Lily acknowledges it mirrors men who distrust women. Heated but unresolved.
03:56:39
Sexual Assault Reporting / Definition
Discussion of SA statistics, definition creep, and reporting. Multiple panelists raise hands as having experienced SA. Andrew notes double standard: men's SA by women largely unreported/ignored. Debate over duty to report to prevent future harm.
04:43:20
Feminism / Gender Roles / Women in Society Debate
Extended debate between Lily and Andrew Wilson on feminism, gender pay gap, historical oppression, intersectionality, apex fallacy, societal roles of men vs women. Andrew argues most societies function fine with women in secondary roles (descriptive, not prescriptive). Lily argues for equal footing, accuses Andrew of misogyny. Reaches 'I'm done' from Lily at ~5:39.
05:10:00
Draft / War / Conscription Debate
Andrew poses: should men be drafted to defend nation if enemy will assault all women? Lily argues no one should be forced. Andrew argues ideological subversion if draft is rejected. Birth rate discussion woven in.
05:58:00
Single Mother vs. Single Father Households
Jake cites stats (attributed to Rachel Wilson's Substack) that single father households produce better child outcomes than single mother households. Barack Obama quote referenced.
06:05:47
Body Count Round
Going around the table: Claudia=6, Angel=0 (claims virgin), already said (Lily=2), Serena=uncertain. Sasha's estimated 700+ from escorting + porn. Brian jokes ~45 ('15 times 3'). Ariana=12 (stated earlier). Jake and Andrew decline/deflect.
06:11:40
Roast Segment
TTS roast session targeting all panelists. Extended 'burrito' running joke targeting Brian. Panelists roast each other and take jabs at the show.
07:57:10
Outro / Call to Action
Brian wraps show, promotes Twitch, Discord, debateuniversity.com (Andrew's 'Verbal Combat' course), and Rachel Wilson's book 'Cult Feminism'. Twitch raid to FrostAdamus.
Transcript
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02:49:58
Brian Atlasme go to the bathroom can somebody back there go to the bathroom yes yeah do it in the bathroom please now she's they do have those in Russia
02:50:08
Brian Atlastoo uh oh my God
02:50:15
Production/Crew[Laughter] she's going to look like little boy all
02:50:24
Brian Atlasright you know CH so back to the conversation so what were you saying um when you sleep
02:50:35
Brian Atlasmakeup okay and so are you going to see a woman sleeping with makeup when you sleep with her right but I mean so when when is the first impression occurring first dat within 5 Seconds of meeting yes are you going to be removed
02:50:48
Brian Atlasremoving the makeup within 5 Seconds of meeting so I'm not able you still see a person's facial features you're not going to transform your whole face M you can make significant Transformations with makeup uh even minimal amounts of
02:50:58
Brian Atlasmakeup can change a person's appearance to the point of perhaps catching the eye of a man that you would not otherwise catch had you not been wearing the
02:51:08
Brian Atlasmakeup and so I think it's a deception okay um now it's not like well I am kind of Hardcore against makeup to some
02:51:19
Brian Atlasdegree but I guess women have a lot of issues with men lying but it just interesting that women you guys are lying about what we're attracted to that What Makes Us
02:51:31
Brian Atlasattracted to you you guys have wearing makeup that how are we lying then but didn't you say there's like natural makeup that's a little harder to like decipher if there if a woman's wearing it yeah there is natural makeup like mascara but also even if I can tell a
02:51:44
Brian Atlaswoman is wearing makeup even if I know she's wearing makeup it's not always possible to make a determination as to what she will look like when she's not wearing the makeup MH so yeah I can tell you're wearing
02:51:56
Brian Atlasmakeup but she could still be attractive without the makeup but she could also not be attractive without it and there's not really a Surefire way to tell I feel
02:52:09
Isabellalike if you look at a person's features you're going to be able to tell it's makeup's pretty transformative in any case the question is is it
02:52:20
Isabelladeceptive if you I mean you're putting on something over your face a mask almost you could say so sure what do you think yes take her to the pool in the first date beautiful okay what do you
02:52:31
Angel/Lily/Claudiathink um I think it can be deceptive but I think my follow-up question is I don't necessarily mean that that's I don't think that that's bad because you don't think it's bad well because I think you
02:52:43
Angel/Lily/Claudiacan get to know somebody who's wearing a ton of makeup they take off their makeup after you get to know them and you're like okay their personality is awesome I think they're a great human being like this is okay I can deal with the cons
02:52:54
Brian Atlaswell so let me ask you this A man lies about his height on a uh dating app lies about it shows up much shorter than what the woman anticipated but he's got a
02:53:05
Angel/Lily/Claudiagreat personality to make up for it despite his his lie is that it's totally fine I think it depends on the person if you're willing to overlook that then sure I mean I personally if someone was shorter than me and they lied about it
02:53:16
Angel/Lily/Claudiathen I'd probably say you know personality I personally know but some people yeah maybe no but they have such a great personality yeah some people
02:53:24
Angel/Lily/Claudiamight take that okay would you take it no no what about you what do you think I just think it depends cuz like you know like for example like you could put a concealer to enhance but then there's
02:53:36
Production/Crewthose girls that put like tape on their face and like you know what I mean like they look like a whole completely different person my D what do you think uh yeah basically it's like to an extent
02:53:47
Serena/Arianabut I do think it's deceptive mhmh I agree I think it's deceptive and I think it does alter your face especially like even like eyelashes like
02:53:56
Serena/Arianamy boyfriend says I look oh my bad my hands but he says they look a lot better without all of the extra he likes very minimal low makeup and I found that I
02:54:08
Serena/Ariananotic a lot of guys actually do they like less which is okay and I think once in a while it's nice to you know you're going to do something like this or go out to a show or work but in general like some people are like I have to put on
02:54:20
Serena/Arianamakeup to go to the grocery store or you can't see you can't see me without makeup like I need to get ready first before you come in the room I think that's when it is very deceptive do know
02:54:29
Sashagirls what they think that um I never can find the real guy probably because I never present him who I am really you
02:54:38
Sashaknow because I always been trying to catch a dude with my look MH and I think it's been completely wrong well you did remove your makeup um cool didn't ask for that but appreciate
02:54:51
Sashait I guess actually I've been planning to arrive here without makeup wait you have a red tattoo on your oh my God I have this you took it off no it was I
02:55:02
Sashahad a fake eyebrows also and a couple of days ago I went to the tattoo studio to make a leather to remove them because I decided also to remove all my tat face tattoo and also fake eyebrows because it
02:55:14
Sashawas giving me also the fake look it was not my real eyebrows they were just like so different and then I was like let's remove them as well and they become orange why they become orange what the
02:55:25
Angel/Lily/Claudia[ __ ] I have orange eyebrows what's going on wait can I ask questions yeah um so I mean there are two separate questions what are your thoughts then on like hair dye and or plastic surgery like
02:55:36
Brian AtlasCosmetics PL well I'm against plastic surgery I'm a natural body supremacist so I'd prefer woman with small boobs over the perfect giant fake titties prefer a little belly fat than lipo uh
02:55:47
Brian Atlasprefer no upper lip small upper lip versus lip filler uh what's the other one oh prefer like no ass over perfect BBL um yeah so what about hair dye hair
02:55:59
Angel/Lily/Claudiadye yeah if like dying your hair uh I don't find it as objectionable as like makeup or plastic surgery why um well I guess compared like comparing the plastic surgery I guess that's more extreme but like hair and then compare
02:56:12
Brian Atlasthat to me I mean I typically tend to prefer people's natural hair color but I don't find it Alters the appearance substantially but is that not
02:56:24
Brian Atlasdeception well the thing at least I think for most men like if a woman has a certain physical uh or certain uh facial appearance that you find appealing
02:56:35
Brian Atlaswhether she's blonde brunette or redhead uh it's not clear to me if like that will shift the gears toward Alters a personal or an appearance completely like a hair color can alter an
02:56:47
Jakeappearance makes them look different though not not much better generally girls do it just to sort of mix it up a little bit if you're a natural blond and you go brunette it's just change up P off you know some people really can't
02:56:59
Brian Atlaspull off a certain color and they do it anyways so say that's not but makeup is like directly making you look a lot better Contours your face sometimes it can make you look worse yeah I think can do for sure agree like brunettes I mean
02:57:12
Brian Atlasmaybe this is I'm biased because I prefer women with darker hair but if brunettes who go blonde I think they look worse so I suppose they're deceiving me into thinking they're into
02:57:22
Brian Atlasme thinking they're less attractive than they actually are um but uh yeah I just curious so I don't know um but was that the other question yeah the hair dye and then what was the other one it was just
02:57:35
Brian Atlasthe Cosmetic Surgery oh yeah plastic surgery hard no fake titties nope sorry Russia um BBL hard no sorry Russia do
02:57:46
Sashayou have a BBL no it's a Mexican silicon in the booty yeah okay all right um You need to be you need to be fed lipo or no lipo you need to be fed to have a BBL ah
02:58:00
Brian Atlasyou were you've always been trim I've been always skinny one yeah yeah bbl's terrible I don't get the BBL the fake lips no offense Russia anybody else here
02:58:11
Sashaany lip filler no lip I remove all my lip you have some lip F I'm not a fan of lip f I I will congratulate you though I remove it I'm so happy wait into the mic
02:58:23
Brian Atlasif you can I remove my lip fers wait hold on all of it and even I think you wiped some of the makeup off on the microphone too it looks like there's a little residue there
02:58:34
Sashaum at least congratulations to you for not getting the labia plasty congrats no they yeah they're telling me cut your lips cut your lips I'm like [ __ ] off these lips are
02:58:45
Sashabeautiful wait you could do that # you if it was really too big I guess oh the big lips is beautiful keep your big lips girls keep it it's sad it's sad
02:58:57
Brian Atlaswhen a woman gets it okay we have uh oh wait no we have to do the video excuse me uh can you we'll play the video really quick no audio on it mute the audio all right we'll just play it you can just play it why not we'll see the
02:59:08
Brian Atlaswhole transformation all right here we go see that's all right here's the transformation all right you got what is she in maybe in her 30s or
02:59:18
Brian Atlassomething 30 smil all right uh wow she's very does she have
02:59:26
Brian Atlasuh produ okay it's beginning transformation beginning okay all right wow that's a lot of it's starting it's
02:59:38
Brian Atlaslike a work of art it's starting yeah that's my No it's really look at all that asbest what the hell what is
02:59:46
Brian Atlasthat I need that setting pow for real all right here we go what the oh okay oh
02:59:55
Brian Atlasoh wow that's quite oh my goodness she used like tape under her eyelids we do like a
03:00:03
Brian Atlasbefore yeah so um go put it to like two seconds and then go to the go to the end again go to the beginning
03:00:14
Brian Atlascont and then go to like yeah right under the audio thing uh wait a little further back and then wait here no go back a
03:00:26
Brian Atlaslittle bit one more just a little more ah she's squinting just okay let's go and then go to two
03:00:37
Brian Atlasseconds like two seconds oh that's a pretty decent transformation and that's not even the finished look now go to the Finish look skip to the Finish look
03:00:48
Angel/Lily/Claudiabro different human being it looks like yeah you can she put tape on her chin though look at her chin I had the same VI in my Instagram account has I know
03:00:57
Angel/Lily/Claudiaman that [ __ ] that's kind of crazy y'all doing some crazy [ __ ] uh I also think it's depends on what it's being used for like if you're going a date yes deceptive but if it's for like
03:01:08
Angel/Lily/Claudiaa show or like a performance or like just for fun to like show what you can do with makeup as like an experiment it's just fun it's like a costume Jake you ever been on a dating that I have
03:01:19
Brian Atlasnow uh your assessment at least my experience on the dating apps uh what's the rule when it comes to women wearing makeup on the app my experience at least
03:01:28
Brian Atlascertainly definitely the first photo 99% of the women first photo full face of makeup or makeup yeah yeah and then like often times as well like when you meet up with them they do look pretty
03:01:41
Brian Atlasdifferent it's pretty common and then sometimes they'll even employ filters uh but I I've encountered fullon dating profiles there's not one photo of them with minimal or no
03:01:53
Angel/Lily/Claudiamakeup you're not allowing us to make an assessment of what you actually look like I mean yeah isn't that catfishing right yeah very common there just like I I mean yeah that's deceptive I'm not saying it's not I'm just saying if it
03:02:04
Brian Atlaswere used for like I'm telling you wait qu question for the ladies if if you could like let's say we just removed makeup entirely so your competition couldn't wear makeup either other women
03:02:16
Sashait would just level the playing field for it or against for it yeah for it's gonna be amazing makeup's expensive yes yes isn't that why y it's waste of the
03:02:26
Sashatime bro we are telling you it's minimum one hour every day and it's annoying each of us I know but that goddamn Society tell us that the woman should to
03:02:37
Sashawear makeup and they give all this advertising and we just kind of the [ __ ] up Austin why did you press that bro why
03:02:47
Sashado you want me to shut up no that wasn't me that was Austin yeah yeah I saw your finger I just sitting conf front of it's a joke um but I'm telling you we also
03:02:59
Serena/Arianasuffering about it I'm telling you from perspective of the so then just don't use it sometimes it's yeah can someone just just like there's noral makeup like there's some jobs like my cocktailing
03:03:09
Serena/Arianajob you have to do full glam makeup you could that's a performance that's a performance I feel like that's when it's like it's a regular job okay here the example when I arrive to
03:03:20
Serena/ArianaAmerica hold on let her talk let talk no you're just a cocktail server you don't have to be I mean unless if you do like bottle service then yes the image is Instagram model you're you're putting on
03:03:32
Serena/Arianaa face then but like I as a regular cocktail waitress I don't see why it's necessarily important I have to do full glam makeup and full hair otherwise I can't go to work I don't you're saying that's the thing that you have to do
03:03:44
Angel/Lily/Claudiafull Glam for your and see I think for me that's where because that's where it's like why for what reason are you having to do that because they want people to be like oh wow look at this
03:03:56
Angel/Lily/Claudialike or's locals or twin but like why does it have to be a part of the job because that's what people desire and what they go there for so you're performing for the people that go there
03:04:06
Angel/Lily/Claudiadesire ex put that on for our society why do we have to as women why isn't the you chose to do it because you chose to work there so you're choosing to perform and wear the makeup to perform understand that cuz that's you sign in
03:04:19
Jakeyour contract you're agreeing I'm just saying in general as a standard why does that exist in the first place just because beauty is commodified my C is also have power your commodity is is your beauty when you're
03:04:32
Serena/Arianayou're working in the service industry they want get tips girls get more tips and they want you to wear makeup and look glamorous so you get more tips I know I I understand being the Glamorous but there's also a lot of people like you look exactly the same without makeup
03:04:44
Sashain my opinion it's beautiful you did not tell me was a full makeup I can do it go but I think like honestly some people don't look the same when they take nobody they look the same no no no even
03:04:54
Serena/Arianathe foundation changed everything come on go it hides the blemishes don't lie okay no I'm just saying that I I really do One Foundation you completely different person right I'm just saying in general I think it would be nice if
03:05:07
Serena/Arianawe didn't have to have that pressure to wear makeup you know that's I mean my counting job I don't have to they're very fine with it whatever I sit in a cubicle and then going into that
03:05:18
Serena/Arianaatmosphere it it does change and then that's why I do think it is deceptive as well at that point you know it would be nice if you could just represent or enhance that natural beauty that we all
03:05:29
Brian Atlashave I don't I just never understood the pressure for it I mean I don't have a problem with makeup I just you know all right uh an non Brian you do need to start calling out hair dye with the same energy as you do makeup and plastic
03:05:42
Brian Atlassurgery it's as bad if not worse than makeup total deception especially after certain AG that's like true love
03:05:51
Brian Atlasyeah I with older women it it would be I guess what kind of I don't think like changing the color of your hair is nearly on par of plastic surgery I don't
03:06:03
Angel/Lily/Claudiaeven think it's even approaching the makeup argument but it could hide age like age aging no it can't sometimes if they have like stuff done to their face if they have gray hair yeah so how old
03:06:15
Brian Atlasare they I don't know that's the thing you would know so just to be clear a 70-year-old woman who has gray hair dyes her hair and now she looks 20 is that the argument no no no no like obviously she like let's say like she has you know
03:06:27
Isabellagray hair here and there so let's say she looks young but she has gray hair okay go what were you going to say what would be right even some some men don't like gray hair they want young youth they want youth wom
03:06:39
Isabellathey men like youth when when you dye your hair gray or not gray when you dye your hair brown from Gray you look more youthful
03:06:48
Brian AtlasI suppose but like I don't even like she would look how she would look if she had dark hair if she's got gray hair and then she
03:07:00
Angel/Lily/ClaudiaDy it Dy it darker and gets her hair down everything and makes it look silky and brown then she'll she'll look hotter for sure she'll look she'll look a couple like a year or two younger she's not going to no one's going to be like oh like you're 52 like they're going to
03:07:11
Sashahit her with like 41 42 doesn't it start going great the roots or is it just strange look more youthful younger but girls are you agree that we always have this problem that we come to choose
03:07:22
Sashawhich color we want do you have the similar problem I don't dye my hair good because I think you find out that the best color for you is the one God Made
03:07:31
Brian AtlasYou with I think so I mean I don't I don't have as big of a quarrel with hair hair dye as I do with
03:07:40
Brian Atlasmakeup and plastic surgery but I suppose it's on the spectrum of changing your physical appearance I mean I'll just leave it at I prefer the natural hair
03:07:51
Brian Atlascolor I guess I mean said like hair yeah don't really care uh but I also like if she has like a little she has dark hair but she does some I don't know what girls [ __ ] do
03:08:04
Brian Atlaswith their highlights I don't know she lightens in a bit I don't really care like I don't think that's going to like be on the same level of like she's had plastic surgery or she like cakes on the
03:08:15
Jakemakeup I don't I don't put it the same playing field so maybe I look at hair a little bit too much but I definitely do look at hair as like a as a feature of a chick when I'm when I'm assessing her physical Beauty if she has nice hair
03:08:27
Brian Atlassilky hair rather than like dry thin hair oh I'm not even definitely I'm I mean like the the quality of the hair or the hairstyle that's another thing but
03:08:37
Brian AtlasI'm just saying like the specifically the color of the hair which seems to be the convers he's talking about hair dye what about like hair transplant I was going to say that about if a man gets like a hairline you
03:08:50
Brian Atlasknow how you can do like the injection thing this is amazing I want to do that I would I would say that that's deceptive I don't I still don't think it's as deceptive though as makeup a
03:09:02
Angel/Lily/Claudiawhile of it's enhancing their look no it's still deceptive but it's not as deceptive it can completely change in appearance though it's Chang you haven't seen those Instagram videos where they're like you know really like
03:09:14
Angel/Lily/Claudiathey're the homeless guys or if they're completely bald yeah it can change your appearance deceptive you can look completely different under a be Beard's natural yeah I'm with that a Beard's
03:09:25
Jakenatural so and also surgeries like hairline Replacements can sort of bring you back to your natural state rather than taking you away from it with like fake boobs or nose jobs or whatever it
03:09:36
Brian Atlasis all right well uh we have techn Trooper ladies would you consider plastic surgery once makeup doesn't work no no no any people planning to have
03:09:47
Angel/Lily/Claudiaplastic surgery here I've gotten not plastic surgery but like the juvaderm filler once it was like one syinge for like fun it was just kind of like a
03:09:58
Brian Atlaslittle side thing like Quest I love plastic surgery um but I wouldn't do like real plastic surgery we have n As Natural Body supremacist you should also be a natural hair supremacist vast majority of blondes or redhe heads are
03:10:10
Brian Atlasnot and it completely changes their appearance especially if it hides the gray mhm uh yeah I mean again I do prefer natural
03:10:22
Brian Atlashair but I find it less uh objectionable than makeup or plastic surgery and there's degrees
03:10:32
Brian Atlasof plastic surgery too uh like if she has it's I suppose the degree and invasiveness of the
03:10:40
Brian Atlasprocedure like if she has a a little bit of lip filler not quite as bad as like a
03:10:48
Brian AtlasBBL she's had a rhinoplasty not quite as bad and actually I do concede that Rhino I think all the plastic surgeries typically tend to make women look less
03:10:59
Brian Atlasattractive rhinoplasty actually does have a tendency to improve the Aesthetics I think of women but well at least if it's done correctly sometimes it gets bodged but um generally speaking
03:11:09
Brian Atlasit it has pretty significant impact on Aesthetics um but uh yeah anyways uh thank you and non
03:11:21
Brian Atlasappreciate the message we have a message here from Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks total face body on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven starting with you go
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Sashaahead was me total look okay yeah I knew we're going to speak about it so then to
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Brian Atlasif I has to put a number on my look mhm I need to know what is zero and what is 10 zero zero is the ugliest woman to have ever existed and 10 is the most
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Brian Atlasbeautiful woman yeah but what is ugly what is ugly and what is beautiful yeah let's pull it up um so Austin there's I don't know if we still have this oh I
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Sashadon't think the true rape me I'll try to find it if uh okay we know what is ugly right huh we know what is ugly we know what is zero zero it's
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Brian Atlasdir it's the it's not the one that's already pulled up that's the guide I need the uh I think it's the men's the the can you go the do you have the Reddit pulled up
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Brian AtlasI uh women's guide can you find the women's guide not the primer the guide okay where would it be all right here
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Brian Atlaslet me just sorry what's yes you have it okay uh we'll pull it up if you guys want wait wait actually you know what hold on
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Brian Atlasno we'll pull it up after you guys rate yourselves well we don't know I've been thinking about it when I've been driving from downtown however however you feel wait
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Sashawait wait let's have this 10 huh tell us 10 what is 10 what do you think 10 is how do you feel I have no idea I can't toate words okay we'll come back to you then no no no you give us what is 10 for you okay I assume you know what ugly
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Andrew Wilsonmeans yeah and I assume you know what beautiful means sorry do you know what the word beautiful means yes okay so since you know what both those words mean you have some standard for what both of them are so so
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Andrew Wilson10 being the most hang on so 10 being the most beautiful and zero being the uh most ugly where do you place yourself between those two extremes beautiful
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Sashaface and acting and so on only face that's great I just want to know the number where do you place yourself to place me myself give me the answer physical Beauty just a physical Beauty oh just a physical
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IsabellaBeauty five okay um you have no reference you have no reference your reference
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Brian Atlasum body too everything just just your physical appearance physical well you can do total we do total Face Body total F oh can you come back to
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Andrew Wilsonme yes I think you're I think we can't because I think that collectively if you hear X other women say x other number that you'll try to mimic that rather
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Brian Atlasthan give us the actual answer uh I'd say six maybe okay wait so do total face Bonnie
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Jakeum and what does mean total like as a whole so what do you write your body what do you write your face what do you what do you write the the total
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Isabellaum total I'll say six face six body five but give me a 6.5 total
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Andrew Wilsonface six you inant sry it's a combination of both it's like both together so what do you consider the overall overall I mean overall I feel
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Angel/Lily/Claudialike a 6.5 okay um when I look at myself in the mirror alone I would say a 10 but then I start to compare myself to others I would say seven or eight so I'm going
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Angel/Lily/Claudiato equalize that to a solid8 four okay mhm five total six total let's do face body
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Production/Crewthough break it break it down uh face like five and then body like six okay yeah I'm the same face like a five body like a
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Serena/Arianasix um i' would say face I would pick seven we can't probably six I wish I had beautiful girl thank you um body I I
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Angel/Lily/Claudiadon't know no everyone need to beting themselves higher I don't know I'm like maybe I said everyone needs to be rating themselves higher like these are such low numbers let them write themselves and then we'll talk it's hard to pick
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Jakecuz everyone has different taste and like you might think one body is a certain way you know uh Jake what do you write yourself I'll go I seems high minded but 66 that's what I always
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Brian Atlassay 6 six total six 42 no you're better than
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Brian Atlasthat uh uh five face four body so 4.5 I guess total um you think people should rate themselves higher yeah because I
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Angel/Lily/Claudiathink it's like yes beauty is subjective but there's also yes a universal Beauty but I think when you look at yourself you shouldn't be rating based on how you compare yourself to other people but how
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Andrew Wilsonyou view yourself and but we live in society those two well those two concepts don't match so if you say beauty subjective I age age but then you say but there's Universal standards well
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Angel/Lily/Claudiathat's not subjective it's a universal standard I think I think it's it's not as black and white I think there's Universal standards especially um in comparison to different countries well what would those Universal standards be I think in America it would be well that
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Angel/Lily/Claudiathat's not Universal then okay then I take back the word Universal I think in each country or region there's there's a different standard yeah there's a different standard do you really you think so you don't think that there's like a thing
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Andrew Wilsonwhich never seen those videos where they kind like put together they they've had surveys and then they kind of like create like an AI version of what like the most beautiful woman in that country looks like yeah but it it seems to me that the like symmetrical features
03:17:27
Andrew Wilsonacross the board are exactly people are always after essentially the same thing that would be I think a universal quality of beauty yeah so that would be everybody though yeah so that's not subjective then but I think Beauty can also be subjective yeah but I so I don't
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Andrew Wilsonwant to talk past each other right so try to try to not do that I think that aspects of it can be subjective preference T but I do think there's universals and
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Andrew WilsonI think that like you would believe in evolution right okay so I mean it it would make sense for instance for men to have preferences towards youth because that's what is going to signify
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Andrew Wilsonfertility right so I mean if that if there's going to be markers for what is youthful less lines on the skin more angular features less weight on the body things like that right so if that if that's the case then I I think we're not
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Angel/Lily/Claudiareally in disagreement right I don't think we are yeah yeah but you said that you think people should rate themselves higher yeah because I think when you're rating
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Angel/Lily/Claudiayourself I mean someone can rate you and be like six or 10 like depending on what they think is attractive but I think when you're rating yourself I think I mean this is my coming from the world needs to be peace love you know like I
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Angel/Lily/Claudiathink when you rate yourself it should be high yeah like I think you should think of yourself as a beautiful human being just because you're human and M that's funny I would rate these girls higher than they rated themselves yeah I
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Isabellathink we all will do they're oh pretty everyone's really pretty here and I would rate them higher than how do you think they should rate you I don't know I I don't know what they see as pretty I don't know if they
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Brian Atlassee me as pretty I don't know wait so question for you though uh do you think uh have you ever known a guy who thought he was more attractive
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Brian Atlasthan he actually was not looks even just he thought he thought he was [ __ ] [ __ ] most definitely what's so and you think that's wrong right no I think if
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Brian Atlasthey view themselves that way then great love are they less attractive because they are that way cocky yeah cocky cockiness is not attractive so if you
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Isabellathink you're on confidence yeah there's a difference there's a difference between confidence and cocky right but so if a woman who is clearly
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Brian Atlasunattractive yeah thinks she's on par with the most beautiful women in the world mhm is this not being cocky or is it
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Brian Atlasjust is it confidence which is it confidence oh it's confidence if the if a just clearly unattractive woman who's obese her arm is missing I don't even [ __ ] know that's the one Andrew likes
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Brian Atlasto say she's [ __ ] an ampute or some [ __ ] some still [ __ ] ampute [ __ ] um wait so why is it
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Brian Atlasconfidence for women to be delusional but it's cocky it's confident on both ends you are you it's confidence on both end are you attracted to confident men
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Brian Atlasyeah so are you attracted to men who think they're hot [ __ ] but they're not no but that's the same why are you able to make the determination I didn't say that you said you were able you knew men who thought they were hot [ __ ] but your assessment of them was that they were
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Brian Atlasnot hot [ __ ] but they're confident aren't women attracted to confidence I'm confused I think there's a difference between cocky and confidence though with like the way you act about it like let's say like confident huh you guys said it
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Angel/Lily/Claudiawas confidence that's why so let's say let's say like a guy's cocky and he's going to be like all like I'm I'm this I'm that just trying to like downplay everybody near him but if he's confident he's like I feel good about myself like you guys should too like there's a
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Jakemotivational conf I don't even think it's that that's the case with guys I think generally when we're talking about Charisma a confident guy is a guy who outwardly projects having um having whatever it takes to be confident but he
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Jakealso can be self-deprecating as well he he he appears to be a high value guy or whatever but he doesn't really have to say that outwards he justs exactly cuz he's confident so he like yeah but he wouldn't be he wouldn't be there saying
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Angel/Lily/Claudialook at me I'm a 10 exactly that's that's what cocky is [ __ ] is like delusional confidence so then so then it would confidence yeah and you're allowed to be
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Angel/Lily/Claudiadelusional I don't know I just think not delusional it's not good well yeah it's not so let me um make cop my why would you why would you bring yourself down and hate yourself just because you don't think you're beautiful like in a
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Angel/Lily/Claudiauniversal standard I don't know I like I get that like someone not being as attractive cuz they're too cocky but I don't think that should change how they view themselves like whatever do your thing
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Brian Atlaswe I'm still a little confused though because women don't like cocky guys and you you're able to make a determination as to you all were like
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Brian Atlasalmost smiling and giggling and like yes I know plenty of men who like think they're they're the [ __ ] but they're not
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Brian Atlasbut how can you make that determination about men but not women I didn't say that towards both yeah I think it's both a girl could be like I but when I said no when I said there was a like clearly
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Brian Atlasunattractive woman clearly but she thought she was on par with the most beautiful women in the world all of you said that she was confident not khy but it's just like how he said how he said
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Jakelike confidence like you don't have to tell people I said the opposite so I said for a guy if you look at like typically look at typically charismatic guys you might think of like Russell
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JakeBrown Russell Brand uh Chris Hemsworth Robert Downey Jr people like this generally they're charismatic and confident but they will never outwardly say oh look at me look at me they'll just project that in a way that they don't have to say it and they they also
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Jakehave an ability to be self-deprecating as well exactly that's what I'm saying is like people who are confident they don't have to like you know let people know because they they with the girl in this example the the toad that we're talking about if she's saying look at me
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SashaI'm a 10 I'm I'm on par with the most that would be delusion that would she's just projecting her insecurities and her so how that Co confident I didn't what do you mean oh there's different Behavior she can behave different she
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Jakecan be very ugly but behave like she's beautiful without like going and Screen about it but we just said that she thinks that she's on par with the most beautiful woman in the world so there would be an element of delusion there right yeah you're right yeah so that
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Angel/Lily/Claudiawouldn't be confident that would be delusional no if she thinks she's on part with the most like it's delusional delusional yes right you guys all said that she's confident but let's say she feels confident she's not bragging about it then she's confident she's humble
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Andrew Wilsonshe's confident if she feels as though she the that's what hang on that's fair let me let me kind of dive into this real quick just to kind of back up Jake's Point here let me ask this
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Andrew Wilsonquestion a different way 0 to 10 on looks not just a physical assessment
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Andrew Wilsoneverything the entire package including how you feel 0 to 10 9.5 okay um I'd keep it a six a
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Andrew Wilsonnine still 88 and a half wait wait ask me one more time it's the pull package now it's the attitude it's the confidence it's the competence it's rate myself yeah what you would rate yourself with like my personality wise yeah
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Serena/Arianaeverything yeah like a nine nine yeah I to include personality probably an eight yeah I would pick seven again but I probably I don't know I got to work on
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Andrew Wilsonsome things make character yeah so so i' probably I know six so how come I'm not supposed to think that's
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Sashacocky because you ask us we were not planning to say about it and brag about it makes someone cocky so this well so
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Andrew Wilsonthis is the question right question is asking if you know that there are men who definitely would rate themselves a 10 who definitely don't belong in that
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Andrew Wilson10 category even if you take all the package right the the bravado whatever you want to call it they definitely don't belong there you would say that that's delusional right no like no
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Andrew Wilsonyou're not the [ __ ] bro you're not the [ __ ] you're full of [ __ ] right there's a false sense of confidence which comes with it that's what bravado is isn't it no you wouldn't say that confidence oh
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaso you've never you've never run into men who give themselves kind of a a [ __ ] then yeah you're cocky because you think you're the [ __ ] and you think you're above other people I think when you think you're somebody else then that's cocky but when you're I don't
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Andrew Wilsonknow why you can't be an [ __ ] and not think that you're an ugly bastard like I don't I don't see how these two things correlate at all like I don't see why you couldn't think that you're really really really ugly and still be a [ __ ] jerk like I don't I don't get
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Andrew Wilsonthat I mean yeah you could be a jerk because you're really really ugly yeah sure you could be an [ __ ] for like 800 different reasons it it has no requirement whatsoever to I I think cockiness is when you think you're above someone else based on anyone of your
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Andrew Wilsontraes you think you're above other women right based on your tra that well but but do you agree that there has to be at least some women who are going to rate themselves less than an 8.5 their
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaoverall package yes okay well then you're rating yourself over them right no because I think you're rating yourself based on how you view yourself not what about your full packages how
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Andrew Wilsonmuch you okay so if that's true then or at least hopefully hope that's fair so then you would say every woman at the table is a 10 I wouldn't cuz I don't know hang on hang on you would say every woman at the
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Angel/Lily/Claudiatable's a 10 right I don't think I could rate them because I think ratings ratings are how you rate yourself I think they're beautiful women I don't enough to rate a whole package
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Andrew Wilsonwell you're not prettier than any of them no of course yeah of course not do you think you're more attractive than these guys next to I think that this girl they must be beautiful on this room yeah but but but I want you I want you to think about this objectively right
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Andrew Wilsonyou say you kind of you kind of put yourself in your own trap here say Okay cockiness is you thinking that you are in some way better looking or more beautiful or in some way above somebody
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Andrew Wilsonelse right well this would mean that the least attractive woman on planet Earth if you compared yourself to her you would have to put yourself on par with her how's that not delusional no I think it is I think in
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Jakesome form we're all a little delusional yeah I think that's the key difference that's the key difference yeah and Cockiness and delusion is the is the language error that we're having here because I think cocky generally means that you just kind of carry yourself
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Jakelike a bit of an [ __ ] right but delusion is thinking that you're much higher up than you actually are but that's when I think you're starting to rate yourself in comparison to other people but if you were to just like let's say I mean you live but how else
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Andrew Wilsonwould you rate yourself if you you look at yourself in a mirror and you're like I'm pretty cool like I'm pretty OD but then you're only but but if you were on an island never saw another human being ever in your entire life you would have
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Andrew Wilsonanything to compare yourself to well right then your subjective matters only to compare you to you because there is only you right you don't live in that world you live in a world that's my AR hang on that's my argument my argument
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Andrew Wilsonis is that the only thing for which you can compare yourself to is other people there's nothing else you can compare it to okay so if that is true then I would say that you're going to judge and assess yourself based on the looks of all other people okay I see that's a
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Sashagood argument okay let me think on that for a second think on that cuz that's good that's good well we all answered to the question what is our full package but dudes did not we have to ask I did I did answer what is your full package oh
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Andrew Wilsonlike the full package because we say wait wait hang on if you're talking about like Charisma and awesomeness and epicness oh I'm a [ __ ] 14 for sure 14 maybe 15 like there's not even a number
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Andrew Wilsonon that scale yeah I'm just I'm awesome bang bang average sixes all around and what about you
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Brian Atlasuh H maybe like a six I'm a solid six I'd say maybe like yeah yeah six probably
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Andrew Wilsonprobably okay yeah I like six six is a good number you like [Music]
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Production/Crewsix bathroom check bathroom check oh she was talking about inches wait what I oh what
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Brian Atlasthe um oh also we have a question related to this uh will you be better looking in 10 years's time better looking in 10 years time what does mean better looking when you're 46 will you
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Sashabe better looking than you are right now God I hope do you think you will realistically I can realistic clim I
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Sashacan okay so you're 36 now will you be better looking at 56 no w at 56 better than now no but better looking at 46 it can be yeah if I switch to some and then
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Sashawere you better looking at 26 than you are now at 36 I've been completely different face I did so many plastic surgery on my face it's just different girl everything was different so the fact that you did the
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Sashaplastic surgery is maybe because you oh because of my childhood drama of course all that [ __ ] all this starts on my me just because I got [ __ ] up when I been a kid of course no no girls will do it
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Sashabecause better looking at 26 or 26 I've been looking bad already a but no now a little bit better than 26 we can say
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Sashamhm the 26 I have tattoo here and here and here and here so you're 18 better looking at 28 uh I'm actually not sure because I feel like my insecurities they come and go there's if I'm in a better
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Isabellamental state I feel better about myself overall if I'm stressed out if I'm going through a hardship I'm gonna feel poorly about myself so I feel like it really depends well so it's not so much how you
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Jakefeel but uh just your your physical appearance looks better I feel like sometimes my physical appearance is better when I'm happier all things removed though just everything's the same physically do you think you'll be
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Brian Atlasbetter or worse um are you going to Peak are your looks going to Peak at 28 as compared to now I guess
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Isabellaum I don't know what a peak is but like um the best you're ever going to look 28 maybe I don't know how my life will go it depends on the track my life goes
03:31:59
Andrew Wilsonlet's just say right that you were to make this deal yeah where uh a genie could make you 10 years older however
03:32:09
TTS Readeryou would have no physical Mike Davis donated $200 oh hey Mike Davis female away from me I've tried to see the good side but I'm done
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TTS Readerwith these disgusting creatures remember Eve caused Adam to eat from the tree and is the root of all evil cancel me Mike Davis thank you for the uh TTS man um
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Brian Atlaswell go do go do corn and have a bad political take get canell app thank you are you hate okay hold on now are you also hate I just I need to I need to hear you guys like respond to that yeah
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaplease we all won I was thanking him for the contribution it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm co-signing what he's saying okay but what are your thought like can I just hear a response I just I want to hear yeah I don't give a [ __ ]
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Andrew Wilsonwhat he thinks like it's totally up to him it doesn't doesn't doesn't bother me oh you know what okay hang on hang on I'm sorry Mike you gross misogynist youie of human if your wife were sitting
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Andrew Wilsonnext to you right now and some guy was like disgusting women keep them away from and you look I don't know I just think that's like General sexist you should conversation with her sometimes
03:33:18
Angel/Lily/Claudiaiing is she watching Rachel are you in the chat yeah she's watching let's [ __ ] call in saying care I mean your wife to you was like the amazing person but like I'm just saying I don't know
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Andrew Wilsonthat was like a really horrible thing to is she I don't think so I think that um you don't think that was a horrible comment I don't I think that I think oh she is okay hold on I think that people all right we we'll get her
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Andrew Wilsonin oh go ahead Andrew I think that people B private base things around perception and so if the perception the sample size of what you're getting is just like endless amounts of kind of
03:33:50
Andrew Wilsonnarcissistic nonsense I think that people well go ahead go ahead and then we'll pull her in okay go ahead yeah and and this type of thing uh yeah I can I can understand why tons of men end up with a pretty bad opinion of women for
03:34:03
Andrew Wilsonthe same reason that feminist indoctrination like what what you guys go through you end up with these terrible kind of opinions of men which you really shouldn't have at
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Brian Atlasall we'll get into that but Rachel we're GNA get Rachel here so uh Rachel if you're listening you need to mute our audio on your end okay and then you can say whatever you have to
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Brian Atlassay and we're pulling you in via the just your Stream So if you want to uh that's going to not work well I think it might work she's going to be super delayed it's like well there's not going to be
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Brian Atlasthere's not going to be back and forth but you'll be able to say one statement okay so go ahead put them video tab um wait live hold on hold on hold on hold on pretty significant here put it live
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Brian Atlasclick the live no wait a one statement okay so so go ahead video [Music]
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Brian Atlastab hold on hold pretty significant here put it live click the live wait so
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Brian Atlasrate no wait a one statement okay hold on hold on hold on signicant put live click the live wait what the
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Unknown[ __ ] wait what the hell bro be able to hear you Brian if I mute you on my end you won't be able to yeah it's not dude this is this is no good some Inception
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Brian Atlasno no if she okay this is how it works in wait pause it pause it if if she mutes the audio that she's uh like on her end from our stream she won't be
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Andrew Wilsonable to hear you so way it's set up in no but she doesn't have to hear us because she just comes in says her piece and that's it yeah so she just mutes the audio okay so we have to give like 10 seconds of Silence in so Rachel what you
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Andrew Wilsondo is we're just going to pull you up the second you see yourself on the screen right just mute it right now yeah you give your M mute it right now the second you see yourself on the screen here just give your
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Andrew Wilsonstatement okay pull it up please you got hold on you got to click live yeah right now the second screen here I don't know what they want me to
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Unknownsay oh my I was wondering the same thing okay go ahead and uh there we go give them your take to the whatever
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Unknownaudience okay Mr E is in my ear and I can hear him what is it that you guys wanted to ask me and he me like what do you want my commentary on well you were making a comment about what if your what
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Sashaif his wife was here is that how I sound yeah there was one comment from one dude where he said that all the woman is evil and these two dudes was like basically yeah someone sent a comment saying women
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaare disgusting this is why Adam told Eve to eat the whatever like can cancel me I want out of this world and I was basically like I just wanted resp what
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Andrew Wilsonare they asking oh yes because then I said she can't hear you just listening on the stream to get related hang on Mr Mystery is going to tell her I think they were just trying to get a comment from you so you could say something to
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Unknownthe girls oh gosh okay did they hear me ask what I don't know what they want me to comment on specifically yeah the body count thing or it's bug boys all right
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Brian Atlasit's bug boys it's bug boys it's bugged it's bugged boys boys send in the super chats cuz it's bugged boys all right so we tried we tried yeah we tried we tried we tried it's difficult there's a delay
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Brian Atlasthere's a delay it's okay so oh my all right uh so okay don't disag don't agree with what Mike Davis says here I do he sent in $200 I'm gonna thank the guy I'm
03:37:51
Brian Atlasgonna thank him even if I disagree with what he has to say and then uh also um and Andrew I think was pointing out don't women say [ __ ] like this all the
03:38:02
Brian Atlas[ __ ] time men are trash we don't need men I'd rather wait question would you rather be alone or would you rather come across in the forest a man or a bear
03:38:14
Brian Atlaswhich did you pick a bear yes so you're a misandrist you're a manter I'm not a manter let me tell you why because let me ask you think there's a there's a your risk assessment here is that you're
03:38:25
Brian Atlasgoing to get essayed by men to the point where you would rather be in the forest with a wild bear than with a man is that correct is that fair sure okay so what
03:38:38
Brian Atlaspercentage of men do you think in this in the situation would choose to victimize you what percentage of men what do you mean you okay in this hypothetical you choose be over man
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaright so your risk assessment would seem to indicate that you think a high percentage of men oh I see okay so what percentage of men would victimize you I'm not sure I can come up with the percentage because my take a guess my
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Angel/Lily/Claudiawell let me just say first my reason for coming to this conclusion of a bear is because when I first think of yeah I guess risk assessment I would rather take my chances with I can run the I actually have an experiment for this
03:39:14
Brian Atlaswait but just no I I want to hear this hold on no no no let's finish this really quick okay how what percentage of men do you think would victimize you in this
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Sashascenario I know the answer oh there's like a statistical answer no it's 5050 always oh my what do you why don't we let her
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Brian Atlasanswer 40% M okay so knowing that the adult male pot well the male population of the United States is something like I
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Brian Atlasthink 160 million 40% what would what would that be that would be uh not quite 80 million men let's say so you think 70
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Brian Atlasmillion you think 70 million men in the United States would choose to uh no because I changed it to 30% still I still find this incredibly objectionable
03:40:10
Brian Atlasincredibly objectionable because there's currently 1 2 3 4 four five men sorry my Math's [ __ ] terrible in the studio okay so two of the men in the studio are rapists is
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Angel/Lily/Claudiathat what you're saying I'm not saying they're rapists I'm just saying I'd probably rather be in a forest with a bear than men that I don't know or trust because I could end up getting I mean it's even like a conversation sometimes I just don't want have you ever had a
03:40:34
Brian Atlasone night stand yes how many one night stands have you had one H interesting how that works um what do you mean by that well I mean you you you were alone
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Angel/Lily/Claudiawith a yeah I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm okay with that or that I like it was a great decision I regret it right but right it was consensual right
03:40:55
Brian Atlasokay it's just interesting women will like hook up with the dudes meet up with them no issues you pass by hundreds if not thousands of men all the time none of them do anything to you but you have
03:41:08
Brian Atlasthis bias against men that's interesting I don't have a bias it's absolutely hold on how is it not a bias where you think 30% of men and you originally said 40
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TTS Readeryou think 30% of men are inclined to violence or sexual assort towards you yeah living under score donated $200
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TTS Readerthat's a b old Brian oh it'll work Andrew proceeds to be the worst moment in technology history someone Spike his drink with OIC Andrew just TNS debate
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Brian Atlasspey he's hot okay that's I something you need it yeah they're laughing back there oh there's another one coming through we have another one coming through the living thank you man for the TTS appreciate it well come back to it
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TTS Readerhere in just a sec but Noah has one coming in thank you Noah appreciate it Noah donated $200 women says that she hates men you
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TTS Readergo girl slay Queen man says he hates women and everyone loses their minds can I seems like Shing is feminist to me
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Angel/Lily/Claudiashould hold on hold on to separate the bear versus man argument with my my dislike towards his comment because I'm not coming from a place of f all men
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Angel/Lily/Claudialike I hate all men because that's not how I feel I think a lot of men are great and awesome but I also think that that's a totally different comment to make to
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Angel/Lily/Claudiasay wait you think all men are inclined to violence murder and Essay no no no no not all men I just think more men 40%
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Brian Atlasmore men than women I would take my chances but it's hold on but even though the percentage chance of you being with
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Brian Atlasa man who wouldn't do these things is greater it's enough men enough men that you would rather take a path that lands
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Brian Atlasyou in a forest not with a man Mike Davis said I've tried to see the good side of women but I'm done with these disgusting creatures right and he says
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Brian Atlaskeep females away from me isn't this just sort of essentially the mirror of what you're saying by picking the bear no absolutely it absolutely is yes all right then sure he's valid in
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Angel/Lily/Claudiahis comment great I think what he said was awesome and I do think why aren't any of the ladies disavowing your statement what do you mean you think 30% of men would be inclined to violence
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Angel/Lily/Claudiatowards you I don't know the statistics that's just how I feel that's yes that's how you feel okay it's still an objectionable thing how many men are in prison because of sa a lot how many
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Angel/Lily/Claudiathough a lot exactly yeah the better question what percentage of men are oh it's a very low percent my thing is I I think more men are worse than more women
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Angel/Lily/Claudiabut does that does not make the majority of men that does not make not worse I think less I'm taking you're taking you're saying there's more worse men than there are worse women more men have
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Angel/Lily/Claudiadone have done essay have done murders have rapes compared to women it's statistically proven I don't know the statistics off the top of my head but that does not mean that I think that the
03:44:22
Brian Atlasmajority of men are Apex this is this is an apex fallacy first of all so okay criminality is a very very small proportion of the population so to say that I'm going to have this sort of
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Brian Atlasblanket assessment of men due to a small proportion of some men's criminality you you're attributing to the group the actions of a small fraction this should be the same argument towards
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Andrew Wilsonracism so that would be the same argument you would make in Reverse for RAC yeah sure so if you were to say okay a small percentage of the population which happens to be this race conducts x amount of crimes you would immediately
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Andrew Wilsonlook for ulterior reasons why they were criminals absent the race right okay but how come you won't do that when it comes to men right okay no that's that's a good argument yeah wouldn't that be this
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Sashait's the same thing in Reverse isn't it I think on that one too too you you're com back with some good arguments I'll say it's so sad that you feel scared by 30% of the men this is so sad
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Sashaand actually the better question is like like why the young woman feels like that why she scares of the 30% of the men they didn't indoctrinate and brainwashed
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Sashasure or may happened before maybe it's happened like personally like yes yeah family this is a good question you know we don't want to be scared of you we
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Andrew Wilsondon't want if to have happened to everybody here at the table hang on even if it were to have happened to everybody at this table that every woman here was in some way assaulted by a man in a sexual way and none of the men here were
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Andrew Wilsonever sexually assaulted by a woman in any way that would mean nothing how that that we would not coincidence we would not be able to we how would you ever extrapolate that into anything coincidence that if all the women here were aay that they were just happen to