RAGE QUIT! California Liberal Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson DEBATE! 700+ Body Count? | Dating Talk #198
Date: 2024-09-23
Duration: 8h 09m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Sasha(guest)
SPEAKER_03Production/Crew(audience)
SPEAKER_04Serena/Ariana(guest)
SPEAKER_05Isabella(guest)
SPEAKER_06Angel/Lily/Claudia(guest)
SPEAKER_08TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_13Jake(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:19
IntroBrian begins guest introductions
“without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead”
00:05:02
QuoteSasha says God sends her money, then clarifies she earns $7K/month from OnlyFans
“God sent me money God sends you money yeah so there's like cuz I I seriously don't know how how I survive”
00:10:42
QuoteSasha discloses 13 years of escorting history
“do you have a history of other kinds of sex work yeah escorting for certain years escorting quit last year for how many years 13 years”
00:11:25
QuoteSasha describes crossing US-Mexico border on foot with 8 pieces of luggage
“I flyed to Mexico and then I cross border by my feet with my eight luggages in my hand”
01:34:04
ControversyBrian reopens Angel's background: 'Angel you have had a messed up life'
“let's get back into some of the pre-show notes so going back to you angel angel you have had a messed up life”
01:36:37
ControversyAngel claims to be a virgin despite OnlyFans; Jake immediately calls her a liar
“so you you claim you're a virgin I am but it's not for any reason I just haven't wanted to do”
01:37:32
QuoteAngel says she has made out with about 400 people
“mine wasn't sex it was more so making out with people and it's very weird so I had just had this conversation the other day I had to have made out with about 400 people”
02:05:16
QuoteBrian reveals Sasha did 100+ scenes and many gangbangs
“how many scenes did you do over 100 over 100 have you ever done like two two guys I did many gang bangs many”
02:07:09
QuoteSasha reveals her porn niche: double anal penetration; tattoo on arm
“my Niche is double anal penetration is that why you have the tattoo”
02:09:55
QuoteSasha describes her spiritual awakening / decision to quit porn via mirror moment
“there was um um eyeliner and a draw on the mirror start of the David and I just looked so deep inside”
02:12:09
ControversyAndrew challenges Sasha for continuing to produce/distribute porn after 'quitting'
“so your Revelation from God was stop allowing men to have sex with you but continue to allow other women”
02:13:32
QuoteSasha admits she only cares about her own happiness ('solipsism' per Andrew)
“I care only about my happiness for the moment yeah you only give a [redacted] about yourself”
03:39:13
ControversyBrian challenges Lily's '30-40% of men are dangerous' claim — apex fallacy argument
“you think 70 million men in the United States would choose to assault you?”
03:43:15
QuoteBrian points out Lily's bear-vs-man logic mirrors a man saying he distrusts all women
“isn't this just sort of essentially the mirror of what you're saying by picking the bear — absolutely it is yes”
05:38:54
ControversyLily says 'I'm done' after Andrew's societal argument about women in secondary roles
“I'm done you're done I'm done was it the misogyny was it the Raging Andrew Wilson misogyny that did it”
06:03:59
OtherLily gets up to leave (to pick up gay friend, 4 hours away, class in morning)
“let's bring it to dating thank you touch my blade wait hey wait where you going stay come back”
06:05:47
QuoteBody count round: answers go around the table — 2, 0, 12, 6, 5
“going around the table what's your body count two you're not going to believe me zero already said 12 six — five mine's a little bit higher it's around like up to 15 multiply by three”
06:19:15
QuoteBrian notes Lily got a Visual Arts degree after Charlie Kirk episode
“Visual Arts you got you got to visualize yourself in the forest with a men instead of a bear”
Topics Discussed
00:03:19
Guest Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian clarifies each. Panel: Sasha (36, Russian, porn star), Isabella (18, UCSB psych), Angel (18, Florida, OnlyFans), Lily (22, Ohio/SDSU), Claudia (21, pharmacy/modeling), Serena (21, LA, student), Ariana (27, Las Vegas, accounting), Andrew Wilson (political debater), Jake (Rattlesnake TV).
00:10:10
Relationship Status Round
Each guest states current relationship status, length single, and longest relationship. Sasha single 3.5 years; Isabella in LDR; Angel 'chronically single'; Lily single 2 months; Claudia in relationship; Serena in relationship 2 years; Ariana single.
00:10:20
Sasha: Russia, Asylum, Escorting Background
Deep dive into Sasha's background: 13 years escorting worldwide, entered US via Mexico border after quitting escorting (spiritual awakening in Jerusalem). Andrew presses on why asylum was needed if she traveled freely. Sasha says political opposition to Putin. Child in Thailand with French-Jewish father.
00:20:50
Dating Preferences / Charisma / Attractiveness Standards
Angel and Lily discuss requirements in a partner: humor, charisma, motivation. Brian defines charisma. Lily says 50% of men physically attractive, 20% personality compatible.
00:31:31
Abortions vs. Democracy Question
TTS question: would you rather have democracy or access to abortions? Responses vary; Sasha and Ariana choose democracy; others split.
01:34:04
Angel's Messed-Up Life / Virginity Claim
Angel claims to be a virgin despite OnlyFans solo nude content, bipolar/BPD diagnoses, cocaine use, and making out with ~400 people. Jake and Brian are skeptical. Andrew questions logical consistency. Sasha and Ariana partially believe her. Angel describes previous relationship with a man who was later jailed for murder.
02:00:44
Sasha: Quitting Porn / Spiritual Awakening
Sasha explains quitting mainstream porn after Jerusalem experience. She continues solo OnlyFans. Andrew challenges inconsistency: she produces and distributes porn involving other women. Sasha says she only cares about her own happiness ('solipsism' per Andrew). Asylum timeline questioned — convenient she quit porn when applying for asylum.
02:44:50
Makeup and Deception
Brian argues makeup is deceptive in dating context. All panelists weigh in. Sasha describes personal experience feeling ugly without makeup. Comparison drawn: is a man lying about height on a dating app equivalent?
03:29:40
Bear vs. Man Debate
Lily states she would choose a bear over a random man in a forest. Brian and Andrew challenge this — 30-40% of men inclination claim is apex fallacy. Lily acknowledges it mirrors men who distrust women. Heated but unresolved.
03:56:39
Sexual Assault Reporting / Definition
Discussion of SA statistics, definition creep, and reporting. Multiple panelists raise hands as having experienced SA. Andrew notes double standard: men's SA by women largely unreported/ignored. Debate over duty to report to prevent future harm.
04:43:20
Feminism / Gender Roles / Women in Society Debate
Extended debate between Lily and Andrew Wilson on feminism, gender pay gap, historical oppression, intersectionality, apex fallacy, societal roles of men vs women. Andrew argues most societies function fine with women in secondary roles (descriptive, not prescriptive). Lily argues for equal footing, accuses Andrew of misogyny. Reaches 'I'm done' from Lily at ~5:39.
05:10:00
Draft / War / Conscription Debate
Andrew poses: should men be drafted to defend nation if enemy will assault all women? Lily argues no one should be forced. Andrew argues ideological subversion if draft is rejected. Birth rate discussion woven in.
05:58:00
Single Mother vs. Single Father Households
Jake cites stats (attributed to Rachel Wilson's Substack) that single father households produce better child outcomes than single mother households. Barack Obama quote referenced.
06:05:47
Body Count Round
Going around the table: Claudia=6, Angel=0 (claims virgin), already said (Lily=2), Serena=uncertain. Sasha's estimated 700+ from escorting + porn. Brian jokes ~45 ('15 times 3'). Ariana=12 (stated earlier). Jake and Andrew decline/deflect.
06:11:40
Roast Segment
TTS roast session targeting all panelists. Extended 'burrito' running joke targeting Brian. Panelists roast each other and take jabs at the show.
07:57:10
Outro / Call to Action
Brian wraps show, promotes Twitch, Discord, debateuniversity.com (Andrew's 'Verbal Combat' course), and Rachel Wilson's book 'Cult Feminism'. Twitch raid to FrostAdamus.
Transcript
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03:46:09
Andrew Wilsonbe here at the same time and all the men that hadn't were here as well well I mean it okay well let's well let's think about it for a second right um there's more women here than there are men right
03:46:21
Andrew Wilsonyeah okay why is that is there a reason for it CU you want to argue with us so that men and the can see we're discussing whatever whatever the reason
03:46:30
Andrew Wilsonis right there's definitely reasons behind why that is the case right so you're saying if all of us were essayed we're like you wouldn't just say you're all here coincidentally and I wouldn't just say all the men are here
03:46:43
Andrew Wilsoncoincidentally like there meus well no I'm saying there's mechanisms which moved us all into place right and so the question is is like even if all of this had happened right
03:46:54
Andrew Wilsonit doesn't give us or give us a tell as to the mechanism for why it happened right could be with this particular sample size for instance that because you're all around the same age group you're more prone and in a propensity to be in situations where such a thing does
03:47:07
Andrew Wilsonhappen whereas we could get the same exact group of women from a different demographic speak and they have absolutely none of those things right so you can't really just kind of say well even if it had happened to everybody
03:47:19
Sashahere that we could extrapolate that out to mean something meaningful it's because we're beautiful and because we're a horse yeah that's I'm not probably I'm not I'm not mean like but something you're talking about is that
03:47:30
Angel/Lily/Claudiamen are essayed by women too and there's a very high percentage of that yes there is so like when we're far more than is far more than is ever talked about like if we're generalizing each gender and
03:47:42
Angel/Lily/Claudiajust saying basically you guys are saying women have it worse like that is what I'm hearing and yeah women have it bad but so do men and men are more likely
03:47:52
Angel/Lily/Claudiato you know because that things aren't spoken about and it is so highly happens so much with men and it's just not spoken about it's just passed over like
03:48:04
Brian Atlasit's nothing well that's certainly a fair point um but uh did you get an answer from on this or uh well no no not
03:48:14
Andrew Wilsonreally I was just saying so but this just from my brain right is like if you say well could this all just be coincidence that all of us here that yeah it could right because there's going to be mechanisms which Drive
03:48:26
Andrew Wilsonthings and so that's why when we do sample sizes you pull them from different demographics different backgrounds different you know what I mean that way you can draw commonalities um so that you can extract data correctly like just you know a few
03:48:39
Andrew Wilsonwomen sitting at a table who say this is my experience even if all the experiences map up it doesn't actually tell us I I do want to ask a question how well like how could it like you could agree that I could set out that even if this
03:48:52
Andrew Wilsonthing bad thing had happened to every single woman here that we could take a completely different even random sample size from the street and put the same exact women here and it's more than possible that nothing ever happened to any of them I wouldn't say it's more
03:49:04
Andrew Wilsonthan possible yeah it's not I would say more than possible I mean I don't know why is it not more why I'm sorry what in the world would make that not possible can I like get my phone to a fact check because I've seen somewhere a statistic
03:49:16
Andrew Wilsonthat says like it's over half of women that have been essayed or whatever by even if that's true let's say it was 90% you could still draw randomly from the street get a same nine sample and still
03:49:28
Andrew Wilsonnot one of those women had ever been Ed okay okay right so we can't so that's why I'm saying you can't draw like kind of those conclusions when you say is that just a coincidence well yeah could be it could literally just be a
03:49:40
Andrew Wilsoncoincidence of course okay you can have fears from personal experience she wasn't arguing that I no she was she said is that just a coincidence I don't that is that just a what does that mean what is is is that just a coin you're
03:49:53
Andrew Wilsonnitp you're nitpicking on little words no it's not a nitpick yes how is it a nitpick she just said like that and you just catch it so yeah you catch that one thing that bastard like like do you realize that people people's thought
03:50:06
Andrew Wilsonpatterns the way that they think and the way that they discuss things they hinge on pillars and pillars are usually assumptions right they hinge on assumptions so yes lock in on the hinge the pillar that holds the idea wait wait
03:50:18
Brian Atlaswait wait wait wait wait wait I'm sorry I have to interrupt this I I don't like to let certain things just slide what was the stat that you just quoted well I asked if I could pull it up I don't have
03:50:28
Jakethat you you said you think it's over 50% of women I think I know the stat she's referring to it's like it's like at colleges they say over 50% of women have been but then but then when you look into it it's like why don't you
03:50:41
Angel/Lily/Claudiatell us what you heard I I told you I don't have it off the top of my my head I have to look it up but it's something about like half or more than half of women have been what
03:50:49
Angel/Lily/Claudiaessay or raped or what so when you say essay what does that include anything UNC consensual that is where they've been touched without that so if a man were to tap what do you mean
03:51:03
Andrew Wilsonwhat does that if a man were to tap a woman on the shoulder is that essay no it's UNC consensual seual okay yeah so it's well yeah like do about sexual touching I have a question um H sexual
03:51:16
Andrew Wilsontouching without consent yes and much of that can be perception it could be harassment well hang on but much of that could be perception so like let me give you an example if a if a guyy sitting in a party he's drinking a woman walks over
03:51:29
Andrew Wilsonand just like randomly starts rubbing his shoulders right I've seen this many times um nobody's nobody says [ __ ] right however that's definitely sexual touching he definitely hasn't consented
03:51:39
Andrew Wilsonto it just nobody gives a [ __ ] let's switch it woman sitting in a party right doesn't know the guy he run he walks over and just starts rubbing her shoulders do you do you think that that
03:51:50
Andrew Wilsonwould become problematic I think it's odd but I personally if some guy did that to me I just be like what like I don't know would to me that wouldn't be woman sure but if a woman said okay wait a second that that was that was sexual touching without my consent would you
03:52:04
Andrew Wilsonagree with her I wouldn't agree with her but I wouldn't look her in the face and say you wouldn't say you wouldn't say no right you wouldn't say no and so that's that's the distinction is being talked about here is that wait a second the
03:52:17
Andrew Wilsonreason we clarify these terms and we want them specific is because it's very clear to me that when women in an unwanted way touch men just nobody gives a [ __ ] they just don't care I think I'm
03:52:28
Andrew Wilsonnot trying to minimize the amount of essay that men experience like yeah right but but but this way the classification matters because I'm not sure I would consider that essay right no I mean I agree with you I'm just
03:52:41
Andrew Wilsonsaying I'm not trying to minimize but you realize how many of these kind of tortured studies and stats you look at where the Assumption of ESS is is that they would consider those categories even though they maybe don't belong
03:52:52
Sashathere even worse like wolf wolf whistling is in some I will touch you now when we will go to smoke a cigarettes this is called is a s or you realize you like so when you went back
03:53:04
Andrew Wilsonthere to smoke a cigarette did you note that I took a wide path went all the way around you never went anywhere near you and came in just to avoid such such uh a thing from even happening no I didn't
03:53:15
Andrew Wilsonsee I know you don't have to worry about it that's the difference I love it you watch your back bro you don't have to go smoke a cigarette you don't have to worry about
03:53:25
Sashait guess what but guess what we will call it as a sexual assment no we do we do have to worry about it will it's called a sexual assessment or no I I
03:53:36
Andrew Wilsonmean who knows who but because the because the criteria because the criteria is so gray it's not really known to me or clear to me what could be considered assault or living under SC
03:53:49
TTS Readerdonated $200 holy crap I've technically been essayed several times in my life prob I don't report any of them Society doesn't
03:53:59
TTS Readernotice casual women essaying also bear versus black man or black man versus white man I'm more scared of a white man I love white man why would you be more
03:54:10
Andrew Wilsonscared of a what so now not only are you sexist but you're also racist yeah just Instant by category but but you see what I mean when I say like it's not when he when he ask a question to me it's not altogether clear without very
03:54:23
Andrew Wilsonspecific criteria uh as to what that could even mean because I think that yes I could be brought up on charges for potentially brushing up against a woman even without
03:54:34
Andrew Wilsonhaving any untour anything towards her I just happen to not not think twice I was just walking by brushed up against her do I think it's within the realm of possibility I do and that's the part men
03:54:47
Andrew Wilsonalways have to think about that seems like women as they think that men are hyper predatory right and now the distance has just the Gap has grown and grown and grown because you know it's gr yeah it's not your turn hang on so this
03:54:58
Andrew Wilsonis this is why right now now that we have to think about that all the time you see this distance this Gap widen and it's specifically because if you if you look at it like the example I gave with
03:55:09
Andrew Wilsona shoulder rubbing right you're like yeah no that's really not SA but if she said it was you're like I wouldn't tell her no and so that's why it's not altogether clear to me it really is we we had a
03:55:22
Andrew Wilsongirl on the show I think you were on this panel Andrew uh well I had a girl on a show take off her you know clothes and like to assault me with her with her yeah so that's not the what I was going to talk about but um there was a girl
03:55:35
Brian Atlaswho who was we were having this conversation and she said there was a study done here at the local University and that uh it included cat calling that
03:55:46
Brian Atlasfell within the purview of sa yeah I was on that show I think or were you on that show so I I find these studies that they do it includes all sorts of things all
03:55:57
Brian Atlasthe way from some you know benign or so you know mild harassment all the way to like forcible violent rape and I find like encapsulating all of those things
03:56:08
Brian Atlasinto this sort of nebulous term essay is not particularly helpful it inflates the numbers I agree I'm not right but like when we're having this conversation and
03:56:17
Brian Atlasit's it's uh I suppose sort some sort of framing where you're saying like the The Listener is going to interpret over 50%
03:56:27
Brian Atlasof women are at like full-blown forcibly in the [ __ ] they're walking down a staircase somewhere some random man just starts beating them up and
03:56:38
Brian Atlaslike rapes them that's not what I said okay well I'm just curious and I don't know if this is a bit you appropriate of a question but I think y'all were like you were saying like I bet every single
03:56:48
Brian Atlaswoman here at this table has been ESS I didn't say that you said you were though right right okay so uh just I'm just curious I'm not going to ask the details who here has been as H
03:57:02
Brian Atlasit okay wait sorry just show up hands again oh it's a it's a you're wondering this hold on that's crazy you can't use
03:57:14
Brian Atlasthat as an argument because because a lot of women feel feel not validated in what it is that's right they feel wait I do have a follow question it's not I do I do have a followup question allow me
03:57:26
Brian Atlasallow me to do the followup question first stop stop stop okay those of you who raised your hand did you go to the
03:57:33
Brian Atlaspolice no couldn't no no no did you yes you went to the police does that mean you didn't wait hold on is this the guy who the the choking thing H there's a
03:57:45
Brian Atlasseparate incident there's a okay and then did you go to the police okay that was it that was my question and so you're saying because we didn't go to the police it no no I'm not saying anything I don't know what happened or
03:57:56
Andrew Wilsonwhat didn't I a lot of men don't go to did you go to the police so I'll tell you I'll tell you the term right I know they would laugh me out of the building right they'd laugh me out of the building even though it was clear on video they would laugh me they would
03:58:09
Andrew Wilsonlaugh me out of the building it's not it's not even it's not even an option for us but the thing is is like right so to so to kind of dive into this all all Brian's trying to say is like if you have this kind of hyperinflated number
03:58:21
Andrew Wilsonwhich would include things like cat calling or things which clearly are not sexual assault right uh these should be in kind of totally different categories and the reason they're putting it the same is to inflate the number thus
03:58:33
Andrew Wilsonmaking men look far more predatory than they actually are so if that is the case then and you can even see like kind of with your rawar feminism that pops out really quick ra F well you did and I'll
03:58:45
Andrew Wilsonexplain I'll explain where I saw it I'll I'll explain the exact moment that I saw the raw raw feminism it was when Brian or when I said yes I feel and you and you you're going to invalidate well yeah
03:58:57
Andrew Wilsonand here's why you have to invalidate feelings for proof and evidence with clear criteria because otherwise how do we get the actual number right you like I couldn't just say do you feel like you were essay right I mean then in court it
03:59:10
Andrew Wilsonwouldn't hold up but look someone in the face and say well then it didn't happen but can't really hold up external to that either because you're a number who would never make it into the stats absent court right because you never
03:59:21
Andrew Wilsonwent to court so then so then but you would be counted in this number so how would we prove that how could we falsify that other than you can't you can't right you can't so this is why when
03:59:33
Andrew Wilsonpeople say believe all women it sounds to me like [ __ ] I don't think that's true no I I just yeah it sounds to me like total absurdity because it's like by your kind of your own metrics you invalidate the very thing that we're
03:59:46
Angel/Lily/Claudiasupposed to believe well then do you not feel that there's a discrepancy between the in the categories of what essay is um you know you even said like it's a shoulder rubbing so do you not think there's like a kind of an equal number
03:59:57
Angel/Lily/Claudiaof the people who are counted in that statistic who weren't actually or you know it wasn't as Intense or something that we wouldn't consider essay compared to the number of women who aren't actually counted in that statistic yeah so this is a really difficult question
04:00:09
Andrew Wilsonbecause uh what you're talking about soft science is science is only as a fact controls and that's why science well why the replication crisis affects soft sciences soly and so without great
04:00:21
Andrew Wilsoncontrols which means great criteria we're just speculating ultimately right and so that's why when I hear kind of these torture dumbers thrown out of I you know uh most men could be predatory
04:00:33
Andrew Wilsonor most women have experienced sa and this and that it it seems to me that that's not very clear and that the controls are not very good and that we're mostly going off of self reports not Court reports
04:00:44
Andrew Wilsonand so yeah I'm not I'm just not willing to kind of concede that that's true right okay and and I mean I don't you see reason why I don't even think you would right if that if you find out that
04:00:55
Andrew Wilsonis indeed the case wouldn't you kind of have to like readjust your positioning and thought process around it can you or specify re restate your question yeah so like if if you found out that wait
04:01:07
Andrew Wilsonthere's really soft controls here and we can't really know we don't really know we don't really know the answer to these questions than I would reconsider yeah that's all I'm asking you to do it's just like reconsider possib the the
04:01:18
Andrew Wilsonopposite possibility that there's perhaps been a lot of brainwashing designed specifically to be divisive to make men look why do you think they would want to make men look worse well because I think that uh a lot
04:01:31
Andrew Wilsonof these control studies are done by very Progressive and very feminist operated universities and I think that they're not trying to solve for a real hard scientific answer but rather
04:01:42
Andrew Wilsonthey're trying to only get at the part of kind of the ideology that they're trying to promote and so they'll make the data fit the ideology rather than
04:01:51
Sashamoving the ideology around the data okay we can believe on it what's that we can believe on it yeah it sounds
04:02:01
Brian Atlasrealistically I don't want to quite lay off quite yet you said something about white men what was the statement there you you said you would uh she's
04:02:14
Angel/Lily/Claudiascared of the white dudes more if I were given two random men one was black and one was white and I was I'm not saying that say okay I don't
04:02:26
Angel/Lily/Claudiathink you can be racist towards a white person I will say that oh boy okay um but so so you would prefer what a black man over a white man to be like in the same room with trust to be in the forest
04:02:39
Angel/Lily/Claudiaoh you're agreeing with me yeah okay I thought you were going to disagree I was good SC I'm agree of course
04:02:47
Sashaokay um wait so hold on because they harmless here let's explore the like to think anyone Harless ah why it's more dangerous yeah of course all the can I
04:02:58
Brian Atlasask you a question a couple things okay so if we were to scared if if someone was to say I would feel more comfortable in a room with a white person over a
04:03:09
Angel/Lily/Claudiablack person would that be a racist statement unfor yeah you can't you can't use that argument though about because there's a whole history behind that yeah so what
04:03:21
Andrew Wilsonwhat do you mean do you mean so well let's let's assume I the white man has has always been the oppressor regardless sure well I'm just going to I'm just going to Grant it I want to have this conversation I'm I'm literally just going to Grant it I'm going to in fact
04:03:33
Andrew Wilsonwe'll just pretend that um that black men and women were freed Only Yesterday 24 hours ago okay they've only 24 hours
04:03:43
Andrew Wilsonthey've have their freedom okay how would this statement in any way make sense to say I would feel more comfortable in a room with a black man versus a white man or a white man versus
04:03:55
Andrew Wilsona black man uh how is that not a preconceived notion still based around race can you condense that question again how is it not a preconceived notion still based around race to say I would feel more comfortable around this
04:04:08
Angel/Lily/Claudiaracial group than this one how's that not I think it's a racial notion but I don't I I just think because my belief that you can't be racist against a white person I know your Bel but what is it founded on I just I just granted that it
04:04:20
Andrew Wilsonwas just yesterday it just only happened yesterday Ian that makes it even more valid I think sure sure what's the validity though of saying I have a preconceived notion about a racial group and so therefore based on the
04:04:32
Andrew Wilsonpreconceived hang on hang on let me finish the question first based on the preconceived notion of this racial group I select this one because I think that I'll be safer around them but if you FP
04:04:43
Andrew Wilsonand say okay but but I agree I agree with that just for me it's whites in what world would that not be
04:04:51
Andrew Wilsonracial on both ends or racist on both ends maybe okay maybe it is a
04:05:00
Brian Atlaslittle Prejudice is that maybe but I I don't think hold on let me we'll pursue this but really power power dynamics have a lot to do with it hold on really
04:05:10
Brian Atlasquick though really quick okay let's remove the the term racism from this and let's talk about what you find objectionable so do you think if somebody would rather be in a room alone
04:05:21
Brian Atlaswith a black person over the white person is this an objectionable position to hold which is it's your position by the way is it is it objectionable is
04:05:31
Angel/Lily/Claudiawhat objection what does me I'm sorry it's a lot of I mean fast not that smart like you guys okay so do you find it objectionable for somebody and this is your position for
04:05:43
Angel/Lily/Claudiafor somebody to say I would rather be in a room alone with a black person over a white person objectionable yes wait objectional I'm sorry I so you object to your own position what does mean
04:05:56
Angel/Lily/Claudia[Music] objection don't don't weasel your way out of this one okay do you think it's problematic that position what position to well your your position focus and it's hard for me to
04:06:08
Brian Atlasstay on top I feel like I've been on the spotlight for a bit now and I just feel exp we're exploring worldview so okay I'll repeat the question I'll try to make it as simple as possible okay so
04:06:18
Brian Atlasyou said you would feel more comfortable with a black man over a white man I did say that you said that okay um and you you don't think that statement is
04:06:30
Brian Atlasobjectionable correct no I think it is a little bit okay um but then do you think it's more objectionable to
04:06:39
Brian Atlassay I would rather be with a white person over a black person is that a more objectionable position if I ask you to repeat the question you're just going to roll your
04:06:51
Angel/Lily/Claudiaeyes and I'm telling you I've told you four times already I need to like we can go back to me but I just need like a like a break because I can't keep focusing I'm like I feel like my energy my focus has been sustained and I need
04:07:03
Brian Atlasto take a break so please respect that do you want a Red Bull or something or an energy Dr you can take a little breather if you need
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Brian Atlasis that I just want to say I'm not really sure why people oh wait wait are you leaving no no she's okay don't you can take a break if you want that's fine if you need a little breather
04:07:27
Sashaon that's fine wait what happened all good done I you can be racist anybody cognitive dissonance is that that's what that
04:07:38
Andrew Wilsonlooks like it's very painful so cognitive dissonance is always very painful for people and that's why happens they get very emotional and they even men physical response even men it becomes a very physical response when the worldview collides with reality well
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Serena/Arianathen why we scare of the white dudes more than the black dudes it's because of our experience all right I don't even know it was is in the question though like why does it matter what the ethnicity is if your whole point is it
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Serena/Arianawhat she was saying was that she thinks that she would take the bear over a man if you feel that way why is race even an issue she just said she'd rather choose a bear over a man in general because of
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Brian Atlasher experience do you understand because of experience let talk you stop stop stop stop let's not talk about her while she's gone uh I'm going to read a couple chats uh we have techno Trooper how does
04:08:29
Brian Atlasthe trend of non-college educated men leaving the workforce combined with declining College enrollment impact their dating desirability and what new values might become more important why am I supposed to know that how does the
04:08:41
Andrew Wilsontrend of non-oled educated men leaving the workforce with declining college enrollment impact their dating mean that men are going into trades and they're not going to college and women still are so how's that going to impact dating going
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Jakeforward uh I'm not sure it's like a question about hypogamy I think guys going into trades and are going to be UC yeah you got make them make them um like
04:09:04
Brian Atlasmake them more palatable yeah make them more palatable um I I guess I could try to reframe it like would you prefer to date a guy who has a college degree it doesn't
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Angel/Lily/Claudiamatter prefer a guy who has a college degree I like or in college okay just to be cool yeah I like knowledge but I don't think like a college education is required yeah yeah I don't think so I
04:09:29
Brian Atlastra jobs are just as good all right we have uh who cares a bear is an animal with animal Instincts by the way you will be mauled by the bear just like Leonardo DiCaprio in the Revenant man's
04:09:39
Brian Atlasinstinct is survival AKA find shelter who cares thank you very much appreciate the message we have uh what you what's going on with
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Brian Atlasyou bro get get this chick a [ __ ] energy drink too what the [ __ ] because he don't speak about serious topics let's open some serious topics God okay oh you want to get back to the gang bang
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Brian Atlas[ __ ] double penetration what the [ __ ] okay I always take women seriously who have anal [ __ ] written on their arm every time she wants to talk about the serious topics serious topics serious
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Brian AtlasI'm really saying about serious topics okay you read okay all right H why don't you stay chipper and whatever okay if you were essayed and did not report while you aren't at fault for it done to
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Brian Atlasyou you do share fault if he hurts another woman you should have to look her in the eyes and say you're a coward all right peace craft there you have it thank you for the uh message and then
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Sashaover here we have wait did I send a private show uh let's see you even treat me like a hor just because of my tattoo and you don't don't even how you act you
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Brian Atlasdon't even BR you're on [ __ ] CA [ __ ] you're the one being disrespectful on camera like oh I'm so [ __ ] bored stop talking about how we're treating you you're [ __ ] not
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Sashaconducting yourself properly be chipper I relax I don't say that I'm perfect bro oh okay call me bro all right bro look I don't claim to be the perfect okay I
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Brian Atlasknow I'm a bad sorry that you didn't get attention while we were talking to her for 10 minutes but yeah you're not conducting yourself you're not you're accusing us of not being respectful towards you and you're literally like saying you say I can't to have serious
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Sashatopics because of my anal SL tattoo that's what he just said and you're looking b as [ __ ] you're looking bored as [ __ ] he made a joke relax I mean you take me by my physical
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Sashaappearance and by my past because of your anal [ __ ] tattoo how about that CU you're bold I respect you more because why can I input on the last comment which comment I have hold
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Brian Atlason let me just read uh pen maker Andrew it's literally impossible to Source baby seal remains I checked it's more legal than sourcing human remains you needs to choose a different material for your pen
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Brian Atlasalso Brian I admonish you for neglecting your fine writing instrument for that plastic oh I think this is the guy that HED us up P appreciate it I'm going to
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Andrew Wilsonlet you pick the material right whatever you think uh fits the personality right use it on The Crucible I
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Brian Atlaspromise oh okay thank you pen maker and then we have this from Rachel uh Rachel it's just the we are Tech illiterate it's just so complicated we just can't do it I'm sorry
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IsabellaRachel can I add input on the comment about reporting what what's up can I add input on the comment about reporting I think reporting sexual assault takes a lot of Bravery when you report it the
04:12:42
Isabellapeople around you can view you as lower weak like for men a lot of men don't report it because they feel that they're going to look lower they're going to be embarrassed like your family's going to view you differently it it's a big thing
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Angel/Lily/Claudiait's scary it also sucks when like the person who did it is like the closest person to you in your family like it's hard there's so many instances that make it difficult to report it's hard that's
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Andrew Wilsonall I want to say s i don't disagree but what the commenter was saying is he's he's alluding to a high Duty or responsibility he's saying look is there even though it's hard yeah even though
04:13:18
Andrew Wilsonit's rough even though it sucks even though it's not something you want to do right because after all this is not your fault that this happened to you right yeah there's many such cases of things which are not your fault uh for instance
04:13:30
Andrew Wilsonyou could be walking down the street and see a woman getting kidnapped right that's not your fault yeah but don't you have a duty to report it yes so that's what that's it that's not personal that's hang on hang on hang on yeah
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Andrew Wilsoncontinue um whether it's personal or not I think is irrelevant you're talking about what he's saying is if you have this higher Duty so that you can prevent this from happening to the next person then shouldn't you do it were you sex
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Andrew Wilsondid you report your sexual assault no I just told you why though it doesn't matter what I would say wait why because they I would be laughed out of the building regardless of what I I said told the police yeah yeah they don't care you don't know cuz you never tried
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Production/Crewyou're not going to stop that woman from assaulting other people you know that's true if you go report yours I'll go report mine I did thank you if if you guys report yours I'll go report mine it's just hard though cuz like some people like they'll make threats to like
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Andrew Wilsonoh if you say anything like this is going to happen especially when it's family it's hard I'm not sure I I mean we kind of like tongue and cheek it that it was sa
04:14:31
Andrew Wilsonit was more like it was more like just a freak doing weird freak [ __ ] but um I you know I just think it's if it made you uncomfortable then then I should go go report it yeah should she do time I
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Brian Atlasthink do time I don't know what time she do time wait did we go all the way around the table on the like better looking in 10 years time no no we stopped here I mean with you yeah better looking in 10 years time I have no clue
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Brian Atlasprobably not okay yes yeah so you're uh 22 right 21 21 is trans uh so better looking at 31 uh yeah I think I'll look more like I'll fit into I'll look more sophisticated
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Andrew Wilsonmore like grown up more like professional you would take the genie deal huh you would take the genie deal what is that we age you four to 10 years but there's no negative Health ramifications you would do it I don't know what that means so there's so so if
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Andrew Wilsonyou age 10 years from now right it's going to take x amount of days off your life right cuz you get 10 years older MH so let's let's pretend that we could just wave a wand now you're 10 years
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Andrew Wilsonahead but I still look the same no no no you look like you're 10 years ahead but physically you're exactly the same you haven't lost any lifespan at all would you take the deal
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Angel/Lily/Claudiauh yes I would you would like knowledgy and more like physically I feel like I would look more professional sophisticated in what I'm doing what I want to do so I would feel a lot better about myself in 10 years cuz I'll be
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Production/Crewgrown up okay yes I think I look better at 31 better looking at 41 No 41 yeah I'll
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Serena/Arianalook I 51 no I'll start what about you um I would say yes that I would look better my voice like two years ago was really skinny okay so you're 27 right mm
04:16:14
Brian Atlasso better looking at 37 yeah better looking at 47 um compared to 37 no okay and then were you better looking were you better looking at 18
04:16:24
Brian Atlasthan you are now no better looking at 18 no better looking better looking now than all right apparently aging does nothing to anybody there it's a good question it
04:16:38
Jakeplays into a to a bigger issue that we've got where I think that women tend to give away their more years and and their years of being better looking because objectively when women are younger they're better looking in their early 20s when you get into your 30s you
04:16:49
Jakestart to go downhill and and like that's just the reality of things but in today's dating Market we see them giving away their whole entire 20s and being like Oh when I'm 35 Prince tring will come along but it just doesn't really
04:17:00
Jaketend to happen like that so it's a good question I don't think good experiment why how do you think that you don't go downhill you get past 30 you start to age dramatically yeah and everyone around you is aging as well when do you
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Isabellathink that men find women most physically attractive what what ages would you say younger but that's I don't feel like that's right that men view younger women as more beautiful so so the statistics are there and they show
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Isabellathat men find young women more attractive but you don't feel that's right yeah if you look at statistics for women they feel like older men around their age are more attractive too men and women are different so I'm I'm I'm specifically refer from a men stance we
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Jakewould be better looking when we're younger different they just from a universal stance don't you think that wom when they're more youthful or better looking um no because I feel like women become beautiful in the age just to Men
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Jaketo Men yes to me no yeah well yeah I think this is a part of the feminist propaganda that women get fed that you age like fine one when
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Jakeit's just really not the case my mom did my grandma did they look so good no surgeries no nothing yeah they might have still looked moderately attractive when they were older for sure but they still would have been more beautiful
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Serena/Arianawhen they were younger as preference I do think it's interesting that as women we did think I think everyone thought we would look better older and oh I did not oh no you like I I did I think like me
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Serena/Arianapersonally I think that about my own body but I do agree that when you're in your like childbearing years that that makes very much sense it's what what physical characteristics do you think
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Serena/Arianawill look better when you're 37 um well I notice as I get older I get more curvy cuz I used to be very very smaller like I couldn't keep any weight on cuz my met metabolism so I just noticed as you think you'll get fatter as you get older
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Jakeoh I know that I'll gain more weight yes cuz my met you think that more attractive as you get fatter well I don't want to get fatter I mean my you'll be putting on weight so you'll be getting bigger so you think as you put on more weight you think that that will make you more attractive cuz I know I
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Jakegain weight in certain places yes so weight ug your your face will be as as youthful is as it is now no do you think that your breasts will be as Supple and will sit the same way of course they
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Jakewon't be exactly the same way I'm not very large those things when like your face changing and your breast getting more saggy and you getting rounder that makes you more attractive me personally
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Serena/Arianato myself yes okay for my standard but I could see that how a man would say I definitely thought you looked better when you were 23 sagg saggy boobs and getting bigger is the ideal I mean I
04:19:34
Serena/Arianalike getting curves here yeah I think that's beautiful mhm okay then being I was a stick you know what I mean so I personally like having hips and larger
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Serena/Arianathighs that's the standard for my body yeah you think saggy boobs are more attractive than like I said I'm not large chested so I don't there it is my bre I knew it was I knew it was coming
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Isabellasomebody out there thinks it's beautiful I just like I knew it was coming I knew it was coming hey he likes a large lebia maybe they like sagy tits you never know that's true somebody out there thanks
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Andrew Wilsonit's true okay well I got to let me let me just follow up on this it's just an observation I have and I wanted to see what you guys thought so this
04:20:18
Andrew Wilsonobservation on the Aging question is I often see women who are married say no I look better now than uh than when I was
04:20:30
Andrew Wilsonyounger single women though in their 30s or 40s or 50s have the exact opposite answer and so I wonder if uh those women who are married can just kind of say
04:20:40
Andrew Wilsonthat because well they're married right and so um they don't really have to play in the dating Market anymore they don't have to do any of that right um I just wanted to get your thoughts on that what
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Andrew Wilsondid you think um married versus single no the idea that the married woman will give the answer of yeah I did look better or I I I look better now than
04:21:02
Andrew Wilsonwhen I was younger but the single woman says well wait I I looked way better younger than I do right now that's the woman in the dating market right M I think it really depends on like your security if you're in insecure in your
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Isabellamarriage and you feel bad you're going to feel yourself as less if you're single you can feel yourself as less but you can feel independent too and feel pretty yeah I don't think I don't think that matters if you're married not well
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Andrew Wilsonmaybe not but I just I just wonder what you think the motivation is maybe you think the motivation is uh the one is secure hasn't been in the dating market for 10 years really easy to make that kind of claim right so just an observation I've seen I think it could
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Angel/Lily/Claudiabe different though cuz a woman that's single can feel prettier if she's older because she has so many different options but if a woman that's marri those options close yeah exactly but if a woman that's married like you said she could feel like she looks better than what she did but then also it could be a
04:21:51
Angel/Lily/Claudiadifferent woman that's married feels less because she's only been stuck with and hasn't received love from multiple other men think I just think it's cope right I think that they're just like look I can just kind of say that and who can challenge it right it's not like I
04:22:04
Andrew Wilsonhave to go out in the dating market and prove it I'm married exactly right whereas the older the older woman on the other hand who's single well she has to prove that [ __ ] right and so of course the first response is well then why are
04:22:15
Andrew Wilsonyou single right if you're so greatl looking now in comparison to your 20s uh then why aren't you know why are you still single could be question about character yeah I mean it could be but
04:22:27
Andrew Wilsonconsidering that men tend to move towards the physical Beauty standard before they go to any type of Personality just feels like it's kind of coping a little bit to me okay that's all it's also an interesting observation
04:22:38
Jakeabout how much women value their beauty how much of it they they see it as their main commodity because as they they get older they like desperately clinging on to it especially if they're single because they know that they're still in the market whereas a woman who's maybe a
04:22:51
Jakelittle bit more wise and and gets older and has kids and her family she realizes that her value is more in being a mother now rather than rather than just being hot so it's an interesting
04:23:01
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04:24:24
Brian Atlaslet's see here I suppose piggybacking on the you can't be racist towards white people thing perhaps we'll come back to that can you be sexist towards men yes
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Sashasorry starting with you open call I'm ready for it actually give me give me a minute give me a minute I want to make sure I word it can you bear sex it's like can we
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Angel/Lily/Claudiagraciously consider helping us out uh let's see all good yeah I think I'm going to tie it back to the
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Angel/Lily/Claudialast conversation and say I think syntactically it's the right word how do I I don't I what may maybe contextually
04:25:27
TTS ReaderTech Trooper donated $200 ladies what do you think are the biggest struggles men have right now in the dating environment pivoting right
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Angel/Lily/Claudianow they G is that a pivot no it comes through automatically random listen I think you I think just like you you can't be you can't technically be racist
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Angel/Lily/Claudiatowards a white man or sexist towards a man I think it can be insensitive and it can be rude and hurtful but I think
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Angel/Lily/Claudiabecause because my core belief that power dynamics play a lot into how the cultural significance of what something means are women a
04:26:09
Angel/Lily/Claudiaminority maybe not minority numer Ally but definitely I wouldn't say we're oppressed but I would say and you can't
04:26:19
Angel/Lily/Claudiacompare struggles why not isn't that the everyone has everyone has their own struggles has own struggles well I mean but if you say that there's a power
04:26:30
Andrew WilsonDynamic right there could have been tons of struggle to get to the power Dynamic right so becoming powerful becoming King maybe there was a big struggle there is you going to make still the comparison though that this person's more powerful
04:26:42
Andrew Wilsonmore obstacles for one compared to the other and so aren't isn't that a judgment a Jud like it's an assessment and so you are comparing maybe so yes um
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Angel/Lily/Claudiayeah I mean I wouldn't say women are oppressed especially when compared to black women um but I would say that they definitely have more obstacles than men that doesn't mean men don't have struggles and I think you can say
04:27:06
Angel/Lily/Claudiahurtful things that are considered sexist to a man but in a a cultural significance they don't compare two two things really quick uh so just definitively can you be sexist towards a
04:27:18
Brian Atlasman I don't think I have a definitive answer I think it's a gray area I don't think it is okay I think it's a yes or no I disagree okay can I
04:27:29
Jakegive a hypothetical situation yeah just say that there was a little Utopia of women all existing together no men whatsoever a little colony of women and then a man walks in and they all Point guns at him and they arrest him they
04:27:42
Jakelock him up and they put him in a prison and they say this is because you are a man and then every day they walk into his cell they throw feces on him to say that's because you're a man would that be sexist yes but that's not the world
04:27:54
Brian Atlaswe live in that's a hypothetical okay fine I'll ask this and I do want to credit Andrew for this one a little bit um if if a business that was owned by a
04:28:03
Brian Atlasman didn't want to hire a woman just cuz just cuz she was a woman not for some other other reason she wasn't qualified although she was but uh
04:28:15
Brian Atlaswould that be sexist if you didn't want to is it sexist for women to cross the street when there's three men coming towards her no at night no what because
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Angel/Lily/Claudiathey're men it's not sexist but this leads back to my other point I I think yes the man the three men walking down the street can be hurt by that and say well why don't why don't you trust me but I think in in the grand
04:28:37
Brian Atlasscheme of history and culture and power dynamics there is a reason why the woman grant that there's a bigger impact on women to for a company to refuse to hire them because they're women I'll Grant it
04:28:49
Brian Atlasbut is it still sexist for a company not to hire a woman because she's a woman she's a woman yes it's sexist it's sexist so how is it not also sexist for a woman to cross to the
04:29:02
Brian Atlasother side of the street because she has a bias against men that they are they are a potential violent threat how is that not sexist
04:29:14
Brian Atlasbecause like I said before I think in the grand scheme of things culturally there's a different significance hold on so I'll grant that there's varying levels of sexism right so for example um choosing to kill someone because of
04:29:26
Brian Atlastheir sex you would agree that or well I suppose you would only think it would be uh sexist if a man killed a woman because she's a woman but a woman who for who's the one who tried to kill Andy
04:29:37
Andrew WilsonWarhol what if it's a black woman who's crossing the street and it's three native Amic American men that's actually crazy apeal question that's not a crazy apothecial a black
04:29:48
Angel/Lily/Claudiawoman says she she sees three Native American men walking towards her and she crosses the street I do think that's a crazy hypothetical question because that takes into a whole another complex lot of layers that include a lot more
04:30:00
Brian Atlascultural significance than yeah so what's the answer it depends on actually hold onit wait I got I got this by the way techn Trooper we will come back to your TTS but I want to get through this conversation first so we will get into the biggest struggles men have when it
04:30:13
Brian Atlascomes to dating it's like the oppression Olympics but it could be how they're dressed too wait wait so question for you okay perhaps using the sort of different scenario is not the best if there was a company that was operated by
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Sashawomen and they refused to hire men would this be sexist yes wait I thought you can be sexist I thought you can be sexist towards men but Crossing Street and taking people to
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Angel/Lily/Claudiawork because then in that case I think if there's a whole room of women I think because that's a similar hypothetical question to what you asked if it's all women and then that's it's like well I guess also there are there are companies
04:30:50
Andrew Wilsonthat are the history of power dynamics we have to take in the whole history of women and you know as you know women have been far more oppressed than men so
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Angel/Lily/Claudiaif that is the case How could a woman SE I do think just like there are Hispanic groups and like black groups four different communities and things that where people like like film production
04:31:10
Angel/Lily/Claudiacompanies or like um unions even they they advocate for a specific group of people right and so if it is just a group of women and they exclude a man for that reason then sure my grandma's in a women's club and they advocate for
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Sashabut that's putting but then you're disregarding the entire history of women exactly what do you mean well I have a better question why I can't to speak hang hang why only she's speaking like for 30 minutes I'm sorry the attention's
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Andrew Wilsonnot 100% on you right this second but I do think other women should speak and they have been I'm just I'm just asking I'm just asking a couple of follow-ups here right I can go back to those like
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Andrew Wilsonno actually she needs a break she shared with me that she needs a break she did take a break is it like two questions and then I need a break I'm just curious about about the answer some other girls also wants to I want to hear what they
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Andrew Wilsonhave to say too I also want to hear what you have to say so that's why I'm asking you the question listen to other women as I know and and we will as soon as I'm done listening to your answer to the question wait didn't you get all butt
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Angel/Lily/Claudiahurt because you had like 30 seconds on the Charlie Kirk thing we're giving you I wasn't butt hurt you weren right so I said yes I should have gotten voted off and I did yeah how long by the way how
04:32:21
Brian Atlaslong was the shoot the Jubilee thing yeah like two hours two hours okay and you got like one minute of screen time basically yeah because I wasn't logical how about I make a deal I'll ask one last question and that's it and then
04:32:33
Andrew WilsonI'll ask like 50 but go ahead okay I I'll ask one last question okay for next minutes is it well two it's going to be two but it'll be very
04:32:43
Andrew Wilsonfast you agree with me that that you can be Prejudice without it being racist meaning if um if like a group of black people hate white people because they're white they're not being racist
04:32:56
Angel/Lily/Claudiabut they're still being Prejudice like it's prejudicial right I think I think in being racist or being Prejudice but I think you can be Prejudice without being racist racist yeah that makes
04:33:10
Andrew Wilsonsense okay so they would be being Prejudice in a situation like that for what what was the scenario again if they just hate you cuz you're white yes yeah that's Prejudice right can you tell me why morally being Prejudice is better
04:33:22
Angel/Lily/Claudiathan being racist I don't think one's well that's a good question that I don't have a specific answer for you should
04:33:34
Brian Atlasthink about that I'll think about that just sent two links um all night long so so I'm a little confused because it seems like you're leaning towards women
04:33:45
Brian Atlascannot be sexist towards men or you just can't be sexist towards men in general it sounds like but you did seem to concede that in the example I provided
04:33:55
Brian Atlasthat you this scenario I provided that are you well I mean he said he was going to ask two questions then we move on yeah he he said that is it is it and then you said you were going to ask
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Brian Atlasquestions and I said I wasn't going to answer it because I want to hear other women speak it because you just don't want your worldview to be challenged because it will crumble under [Music]
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Brian Atlasscrutiny I think this it by the way this is um I mean my line of questioning has been fairly milk toast and polite but uh I do find it interesting that when you
04:34:32
Brian Atlasget even the slightest degree of perhaps questioning or push back on your worldview you refuse to engage that's not been happening this entire time and I've been answering the entire time
04:34:42
Brian Atlaswell you're not really allowing me to continue on with the exchange so and I don't think it's fully been settled so do you know what stonewalling is do
04:34:55
Brian Atlasyou think it's healthy to do that in a relationship what stone what stone okay I'll bring it back to a dating related do you think stonewalling in a relationship is toxic answer the
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Production/Crewquestion yes yes what the hell is that like refusing refusing to address any problems anything that's wrong what anything you guys might face as a couple I'm assuming so like if you guys argue
04:35:18
Production/Crewif there's something you guys if you guys are like arguing and if you guys just choose not to talk about it or if you guys just want to like push it under the rug that's basically what stonewalling is not addressing or wanting to fix the issue I mean you can do that if you want to break up like you
04:35:29
Angel/Lily/Claudiahave to have communication in a relationship El just toxic oh okay it's toxic what do you think about that is stonewalling good or bad in a relationship it's a relationship you're
04:35:42
Angel/Lily/Claudiatrying to sustain are we friends right now are we like in a relationship like this is not something that I want to this is not grass I want to water right now I want to move on and that's what I'm
04:35:53
Brian Atlasdoing then break up you can't really you can't really just be like well I've I've put something out there but I'm not prepared to defend it I don't think you can be you're you were
04:36:05
Brian Atlasessentially saying you can't be racist towards white people you can't be sexist towards men I believe that's your position uh you're trying to cloak it in the sort of vagueness of well there's black and
04:36:15
Brian Atlaswhite but essentially you because you're you would say emphatically and definitively you could be racist towards women yes racist towards women excuse me I
04:36:28
Sashaapologize guys I want to make a statement I could not handleing that boring questions anymore
04:36:36
TTS ReaderI'm falling in sleep I'm going home I love you all [ __ ] so touch my donated $200 wait who show is this are you
04:36:49
Brian Atlaspermitted to run it and ask questions yes just like I'm permitted to ignore them I mean you're under no obligation
04:36:56
Brian Atlasto answer any questions but it sort of is super bad faith to not want to engage with the conversation well isn't this a group discussion for a reason though to
04:37:09
Angel/Lily/Claudiahear other perspectives and I've been talking for the past what like hour can other do other women do you guys want to say anything you know maybe if you kind of just answer the questions I'd be able maybe if you just answer the questions going against you they're asking you questions that's why we can't speak
04:37:22
Angel/Lily/Claudiaright now because they're asking you not us they're not directed towards us like I would we've I think they're just trying to like hear like the reasoning as to the statements that have been made I just feel like I've been I've been trying to explain my okay then let's
04:37:34
Angel/Lily/Claudialet's do it let's keep going like are you just kind of trying to we ask direct question let's just keep keep going then you're never going to win this just ask question for direct
04:37:45
Brian Atlasanswer okay so trying to recall where where we were so can you or can you not be sexist towards
04:37:56
Brian Atlasmen said this no okay can you or can you not be racist towards white people no
04:38:06
Brian Atlasokay um that doesn't mean I'm so I guess where I'm confused though is you in the scenario I provided where a woman a company and perhaps the owners of the
04:38:18
Brian Atlascompany were was a woman or a group of women and they refused to hire men because they're men you did seem to concede that that would be sexist and then I changed my mind oh so it's it
04:38:30
Angel/Lily/Claudiawouldn't be sexist it would be what well I know I think it depends on the context like I said before if it's a if it's a group for women to advocate for women with then yes you can exclude anyone who is not a woman but if it's a
04:38:44
Angel/Lily/Claudiagroup like where there are a mix of some but maybe the majority are women and you're excluding a Man based on the grounds that he's a man then yes you're being
04:38:53
Brian Atlasprejudiced towards a man sexist Prejudice sexist okay okay well but the exact same
04:39:03
Brian Atlasscenario but it's being done to woman women would be Prejudice or sexist sexist so is your definition of sexism
04:39:14
Brian AtlasPrejudice plus power yes and you're saying men hold the power women don't yes okay and so wouldn't it be the case that let's
04:39:26
Brian Atlassay I'm a j I'm uh I'm a male and I'm from the I came out of poverty and I'm going to be I'm applying to be a janitor at a woman's
04:39:38
Brian Atlascompany and the board is made up predominant of women the owner is a woman she's a billionaire and I'm applying for a $30,000 a year job at this company she's a billionaire mind
04:39:50
TTS Readeryou um touch my blade donated $200 the young lady's arguments are very flawed and that is why she almost broke down and needed a break for very basic
04:40:02
TTS Readerquestions just take the L as everyone else sees the L you already took okay thank you thank you touch my blade in
04:40:10
Brian Atlasthe scenario the the former formerly impoverished janitorial worker uh applying for a company that's predominantly owned by women uh the
04:40:21
Brian Atlasowner of the the company's a she's a female building there uh she refuses to hire this male janitor because he's male is this sexist Prejudice hold on who
04:40:34
Brian Atlasholds the power she Wasing yes his J I'm saying in the grand scheme of things no no no no no it's not in the grand scheme of things it's a specific example a world
04:40:46
Angel/Lily/Claudiaof doesn't in a world where woman's a billionaire where the one woman is a billionaire in a world full of men that hold power okay you have to look at the context of things you can't just look at
04:40:59
Brian Atlasone hypothetical situation so does she not have power she does so she has power plus Prejudice equals racism you conceited she has power hold
04:41:10
Brian Atlason do you conceed she has power yes do you concede that she's Prejudice yes it meets your own definition of racism in the grand scheme of things oh wow okay
04:41:21
Brian Atlasnow what is it Shifting the goalpost here a little bit I thought it was just Prejudice plus power power in the grand scheme of things sorry I didn't clarify that this
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Angel/Lily/Claudiais even a new definition this is another this is Super Saiyan level three no I just didn't clarify earlier because that wasn't asked I've never even heard that this is new this is new be taken into context and the
04:41:45
Brian Atlashistorical significance of things need to be considered many times yeah I have two many times am I bro I'm I'm a little confused man you you bamboozled me with
04:41:56
Brian Atlasthis one hold on in the grand scheme of things wait let's pull up the two uh images I sent you Austin they're both the same link oh wait really hold on does anyone have the time hold on what
04:42:07
Brian Atlastime is it I'll send you ah there it is okay milk to push back uh all right so just power through for another hour I'm going to sorry I'm let me try this one okay that should be another one can you
04:42:20
Brian Atlasget the other one that should be a different one oh can one of you guys take your seat uh Ana can you take the seat spent $1,000 to come here what's that said I spent like
04:42:33
Brian Atlas$1,000 to come here and you're sitting there just talking to her without talking to other people and we've been talking to everybody we've been talking to everybody spent 30 minutes on you sorry that with your Tik Tock brain you
04:42:45
Brian Atlashaven't received the appropriate amount of attention that would keep you adequately entertained she's sitting here saying that you guys are talking to her too much and that she wants she's trying to weasel out of the argument no
04:42:56
Angel/Lily/ClaudiaI'm confident in my stance and I said we can keep going but I I think the whole point of a group debate is to hear everyone's perspectives and it's just turned into this oneon-one well we'll pull up these images and then I'll get
04:43:08
Brian Atlasright to you so I don't care if you talk to me the world according to a feminist oppressed just just curious do you agree so the women over there who are probably
04:43:18
Brian Atlasupper middle class or whatever uh are they oppressed and the the homeless male is he he's privileged how's it dumb the majority of men are homeless is that
04:43:29
Brian Atlasdumb that's like a whole different layer homelessness that's like a whole another yeah that's most more men exper so this was the argument I was going to make earlier so you said it's not a compar
04:43:41
Brian Atlasgame between men and women actually that is the Genesis of feminism women have it worse in comparison to men but my actual counter is is that not only today but