She Came To DEBATE?! Andrew Wilson! Traditional Escort?! Traditional Stripper?! | Dating Talk #143

Date: 2024-03-13

Duration: 7h 45m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAdeline Star >

LLexi (Escort)>

AAngelene (DT143)>

SSelena (DT143)>

AAllison (DT143)>

MMorgan (DT143)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_03Lexi(guest)

SPEAKER_05Angelene(guest)

SPEAKER_06Adeline Star(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Meg(guest)

SPEAKER_10Allison(guest)

SPEAKER_11Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_12Rose(guest)

SPEAKER_13Selena(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces all guests after show announcements and DBZ/Akira Toriyama dedication. Guests: Adeline Star, Lexi (Bunny Ranch), Meg (Australia), Angelene (stripper), Rose (NJ college student), Selena (TX stay-at-home mom), Allison (AZ counselor), Morgan (TPUSA contributor), Andrew Wilson (debate co-host). Show is close to 1 million YouTube subscribers.

“"without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves"”

ControversyLexi (SPEAKER_03) refuses to disclose how many clients she sees or her body count. Brian presses; Lexi briefly stands up ("I'm just taking a little break"). Brian offers the dunce hat as a compromise — wear it for 10 min and stay. Lexi accepts the dunce hat. First use of the dunce hat mechanic. "I asked politely that I do not want to answer that part."

“"I asked that I don't want to speak about that topic I asked politely that we can either move on"”

Key MomentAdeline Star (SPEAKER_06) and Andrew Wilson (SPEAKER_01) debate pair-bonding and compartmentalization. Andrew: if you can choose to turn off pair-bonding with clients, why can't you turn it off with your boyfriend too? Adeline: I choose not to. Andrew: that's a red flag — you could turn off love whenever you want. Brian's "Betty Sue vs sex worker" hypothetical used as framing. Adeline refuses to endorse Betty Sue over the sex worker without knowing each woman's ambitions.

“"if your son came to you and said Mom I'm going to marry a sex worker what would your advice to him be"”

QuoteBrian states his marriage position after extensive panel discussion: "what can I get in a marriage that I cannot just get from a long-term monogamous relationship?" Concludes secular marriage has no logical justification and many reasons to avoid it.

“"what can I get in a marriage that I cannot just get from a long-term monogamous relationship"”

Key MomentSelf-rating debate: Adeline Star refuses to rate herself on looks ("degrading"). Andrew Wilson uses Socratic method: you have preferences for other women's looks; therefore you can apply that same standard to yourself. After extended argument Adeline concedes: "I'm an eight because my tits are too big to be a 10." First honest self-assessment after approximately 20 minutes of resistance.

“"I'm an eight because my tits are too big to be a 10"”

QuoteBrian reads TTS donation from Stiffler asking guests their body count. Adeline: above 20 (public scenes). Lexi: refuses. Others: undisclosed. Brian to Lexi: "you see one client a day on average" — starts doing math on body count. Lexi leaves her seat; dunce hat mechanic deployed again.

“"ask the girls their body count"”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson argues men caring about body count is equivalent to asking about a felony background: "it's none of your business what I did in the past" parallels to "my body count should not matter." Adeline (SPEAKER_06): they are not the same. Andrew: both are historical behaviors that predict future behavior and affect quality of life. Adeline: relationship compatibility matters more than past statistics. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): statistically, higher body count correlates with cheating, divorce, and marital unhappiness — cites 53% divorce rate and 80% female initiation.

“"your body count not important for me to know how it's going to affect me"”

Key MomentRose (SPEAKER_12) says guns are "scary and violent" and she would run away from a man with a gun. Andrew and Brian press her with home invasion scenario. Rose eventually concedes she would want a gun if she knew an attack was coming. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): encourages all women to get trained and carry; criticizes liberal indoctrination that taught women guns are scary.

“"I would prefer them to have a firearm but it's like in the hands of someone that I don't know"”

Key MomentMeg (SPEAKER_09) argues women have it harder in dating. Brian role-plays a Trader Joe's approach scenario with Meg; Meg struggles to initiate and immediately backs off when Brian is unresponsive. Brian: you have never approached a man, never asked a guy out, never initiated a first kiss, yet you think dating is harder for women. Meg partially concedes but maintains women's challenges are different (selection, risk). Morgan: agrees men have it harder; even masculine women get more dates than most men.

“"hi there what are you up to today I'm shopping at Trader Joe"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson states that women engaged in pornography and prostitution are "disgusting fucking individuals." Rose (SPEAKER_12) refuses to call individuals disgusting; only the industry. Morgan (SPEAKER_11) refuses to call individuals disgusting; prefers Christlike grace approach. Andrew challenges Morgan: "TPUSA refuses to call out homosexuality" is the same pattern. Morgan pushes back strongly on this comparison. Adeline (SPEAKER_06): calling people disgusting only polarizes; changes nothing. Lexi (SPEAKER_03) notes Andrew has been smoking cigarettes the entire show.

“"if you are a woman who is engaged in prostitution or pornography you are a disgusting fucking individual"”

OtherEnd of show. Brian does outro. Show lasted approximately 7.76 hours. 07s in the chat. DBZ theme throughout (episode dedicated to Akira Toriyama who died in March 2024).

“"07s in the chat good night guys"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Nine guests and one co-host introduce themselves: Adeline Star (26yo, adult performer, LA/TX; 3-month relationship); Lexi (23yo, legal courtesan at Moonlight Bunny Ranch, NV; single/celibate ~2 yrs); Meg (34yo, Brisbane AU; engaged; 4-month-old daughter); Angelene (21yo, Oxnard CA; exotic dancer; single 3 months; ex Brandon on prior episode); Rose (21yo, NJ; TCNJ student; in 5-month relationship); Selena (37yo, San Antonio TX; married; stay-at-home mom; 4-month-old daughter; 18yo in LA); Allison (30yo, Scottsdale AZ; school counselor; single 5 years; 7.5yr relationship ended abruptly); Morgan (24yo, Phoenix; TPUSA contributor; single 1 year; waiting for marriage); Andrew Wilson (married 10+ years; host of The Crucible; debate co-host). Relationship statuses and dating histories probed for each guest.

Sex work, escorts, and the Moonlight Bunny Ranch

Lexi (SPEAKER_03) explains her role as a legal courtesan at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch in Nevada. Panel debates whether legal escorting is meaningfully different from prostitution. Lexi maintains her work is legal and she values discretion; refuses to call clients "marks" or "Johns." Brian presses on client volume (1-4/day); Lexi briefly stands up when further pressed. Dunce hat incident: Lexi refuses to give body count; Brian offers "grace" via dunce hat for 10 min. Adeline Star (SPEAKER_06) defends compartmentalization in sex work; debates pair-bonding ability. Andrew Wilson (SPEAKER_01) uses Socratic method to argue those engaged in sex work are morally culpable.

Pair-bonding, body count, and oxytocin

Extended debate between Adeline Star (SPEAKER_06), Andrew Wilson (SPEAKER_01), Morgan (SPEAKER_11), and Brian (SPEAKER_07) on whether high body counts impair pair-bonding. Adeline argues: compartmentalization is a skill; love is a choice; body count is irrelevant. Andrew argues: oxytocin/pair-bonding research shows repeated sexual partners impair bonding ability; choosing not to pair-bond is itself evidence of reduced capacity. Morgan (SPEAKER_11) provides statistics on divorce rates correlating with body count. Brian: "if your son could marry Betty Sue (virgin) or a sex worker, who would you recommend?" Adeline refuses to endorse Betty Sue; says it depends on ambition and values. Discussion of practicing-to-divorce by having multiple relationships before marriage. Lexi (SPEAKER_03) says she does not have feelings for clients by compartmentalizing. Andrew: "if you can turn it off, why can't you turn it off with your boyfriend too?"

Wife and husband scale ratings

Brian asks each guest to rate themselves on the wife scale (1-10). Lexi (SPEAKER_03): 0 (not looking to be a wife right now). Meg (SPEAKER_09): 10 (fiancé would say 10; she gives 8-9 due to newborn fatigue). Selena (SPEAKER_13): 9 (deducts 1 for post-baby duties). Allison (SPEAKER_10): 9. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): 9 (can cook, wants to forgo career for motherhood, wants 5 kids). Brian (SPEAKER_07): 0 (does not want legal marriage); earlier said 7 then revised. Andrew Wilson (SPEAKER_01): "power level over 9,000" / wife says 10. Marriage vs long-term monogamy debate follows: Brian argues no reason to legally marry as a secularist; Andrew agrees secular marriage has no logical basis. Meg (SPEAKER_09) argues marriage is for the children and the mother, not the man. Panel mostly agrees: secular marriage has no compelling male benefit.

Self-rating on looks (1-10)

Brian goes around table asking for self-ratings on looks (1-10, "can't pick 7"). Adeline Star (SPEAKER_06): refuses ("degrading"); eventually concedes 8 after Andrew's argument. Angelene (SPEAKER_05): 8.5. Rose (SPEAKER_12): 8.5 (after initial deflection). Selena (SPEAKER_13): 6 ("before baby, 4 now"). Allison (SPEAKER_10): 9. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): 8. Meg (SPEAKER_09): describes self as 7 (fiancé thinks 10). Brian (SPEAKER_07): 5. Andrew Wilson (SPEAKER_01): 4. Lexi (SPEAKER_03): not rated (husband scale given instead: 0). Discussion of whether self-rating can be objective vs subjective; Andrew's Socratic argument forces Adeline to admit she has preferences for other women and therefore can apply same standard to herself.

Samira Khan vs Hannah Baron Twitter controversy

TTS donation raises the trending Samira Khan vs Hannah Baron debate on X/Twitter. Brian: Samira posted a Lebanese glamour woman vs Hannah Baron (Southern US woman noodling catfish). Samira apparently mocked Hannah's accent and called it "illegal." Brian showed comparison images; Samira had since privated her Twitter. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): his wife Rachel was involved in making the post blow up. Andrew: Samira is a "pampered princess" who dismissed catfishing and Southern culture as anti-feminine. Brian: Hannah seemed perfectly pleasant and physically attractive from the two clips. Panel: noodling catfish is not anti-feminine; Samira's dunking attempt backfired.

Body count and insecurity debate

Brian asks each guest for body count (Stiffler TTS donation prompt). Adeline Star (SPEAKER_06): > 20 on camera; refuses exact personal count. Lexi (SPEAKER_03): refuses entirely. Angelene (SPEAKER_05): declines (brother watching). Allison (SPEAKER_10), Rose (SPEAKER_12), Selena (SPEAKER_13), Morgan (SPEAKER_11): undisclosed. Meg (SPEAKER_09): does not disclose; says intelligence is way higher than body count. Debate: is it insecure for a man to care about a woman's body count? Adeline (SPEAKER_06): initially says yes; then walks it back; ultimately says no. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): body count is like a felony background — relevant to the relationship future. Brian: panel's refusal to disclose implies they believe it matters.

Guns and gun ownership debate

TTS donation scenario: rich attractive man with AR-15 next to bed — reaction? Adeline (SPEAKER_06): fine with it; from Texas. Meg (SPEAKER_09): fine with it; would feel safe. Rose (SPEAKER_12): scared of guns; would run away. Extended Andrew/Brian/Morgan debate with Rose about gun safety and female self-defense. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): firearm owner; carries legally; strongly encourages women to get trained. Brian home invasion scenario: Rose eventually concedes she would want a gun for protection. Selena (SPEAKER_13): been to a range; supports responsible ownership. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): home invasion with crystal ball — would you get trained then? Rose: yes. Andrew: then you already answered the question.

Should women be drafted? Voting rights and civic duty

Panel debate on whether women should be drafted. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): women should not be on front lines. Brian argues from egalitarian perspective that feminist demand for equality implies draft eligibility. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): Starship Troopers civic service model — service guarantees citizenship/voting. Implication: if women aren't drafted, they face less civic duty; lesser duty = lesser reward (e.g., voting rights). Meg (SPEAKER_09): men are better at some things, women at others; doesn't think anyone should be forced to do things they don't want to do. Brian: telling a woman she shouldn't be drafted is MORE sexist than saying women shouldn't vote (dying in a trench is worse than not voting on a piece of paper). Primary victim of war: panel agrees it is men.

Who has it harder in dating — men or women?

Meg (SPEAKER_09) argues women have dating harder despite facing less rejection. Her points: biological risk of wrong selection; women were brainwashed by feminism; fear of physical danger from men; quality of men has deteriorated; women have to filter genuine men from those who only want sex. Brian counters with his list of male dating burdens: approach, first message, lead conversation, solicit date, pay, initiate physical escalation, etc. Brian asks Meg: have you ever approached a man? Asked a man out? Initiated a first kiss? Meg: no, no, no. Brian: that sounds easier for you. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): agrees men have it harder; women are approached 10x more. Meg eventually partially concedes men face more rejection but maintains women's challenges differ. Brian reveals he has been on both sides of the pursuit: having women DM him is much easier than cold approach.

Pro-life vs pro-choice discussion

Rose (SPEAKER_12) is nominally pro-choice but leans toward first-trimester limits. Uses Biblical "life begins at first breath" argument (God breathing life into Adam). Morgan (SPEAKER_11): pro-life from conception to natural death; all lives equally valuable. States brain waves and heartbeat at 6 weeks; fetus can feel pain ~8-10 weeks. Selena (SPEAKER_13): supports sa exception cases. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): very much pro-life. Brian (SPEAKER_07): pro-life. Going around table: Lexi pro-choice; Adeline pro-choice; Rose pro-choice (nuanced); Meg undisclosed; Angelene undisclosed; Selena pro-life (with exceptions); Allison undisclosed; Morgan pro-life; Brian pro-life; Andrew pro-life.

Sex work morality — are individuals disgusting?

Rose (SPEAKER_12) states from notes she thinks porn stars cannot separate job from relationship and that sex work is "disgusting and sinful" from a Biblical perspective. Brian asks her to say this directly to Adeline and Lexi sitting nearby. Rose clarifies: not the people, but the industry and the acts. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): the women engaged in sex work are themselves disgusting individuals — states this directly and without hedge. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): disagrees with calling individuals disgusting; prefers to call out the behavior/industry and show them light/salvation (Christlike approach). Andrew: Morgan's gentle approach is "TPUSA refusing to call out homosexuality" equivalent. Morgan pushes back on this comparison. Adeline (SPEAKER_06): calling someone disgusting changes no one's viewpoint; only polarizes. Lexi (SPEAKER_03): points out Andrew has been smoking cigarettes the whole show. Extended debate on whether Christian duty is to rebuke directly vs offer grace.

Body positivity debate

Adeline Star (SPEAKER_06) raises body positivity as a topic from pre-show notes. She argues women's bodies of all sizes should be celebrated; opposes fat-phobia and unsolicited judgment. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): if someone presents themselves publicly claiming to be beautiful, others have an equal right to disagree with that assessment. Adeline: casting judgment on strangers for their weight is not okay. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): body positivity movement has been co-opted to encourage obesity; medical profession complicit in normalizing unhealthy weight. Brian: is it celebrated/normalized when women "let themselves go"? Andrew: the trend exists because mostly heavy women promote it (convenience factor). Adeline: you should not go out of your way to degrade people for their bodies.

Transcript

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Morganlike in the dating scene and and they have a toue yeah I'm sorry hold on guys yes this hair is

Brian Atlasnatural and I like my kids to also have ahead of okay all right um okay so wait okay yeah so you said okay but you

Brian Atlaswanted to disagree with me so like you say you support plastic surgery to a point and makeup and I don't okay so let's argue didn't we already just argue

Megabout that I don't think so really I I think it's okay to enhance natural features I will yeah and there are obvious changes

Megthat give you a certain advantage in the dating scenar situation and I think that it has been taken to excess for a lot of people which isn't really appealing to

Megmen it's become a different more of a like it's become a market really like there people some the um makeup or the plastic surgeons are making money off it okay so my position on plastic surgery

Brian Atlasand makeup is that it's a facade it's not true it's not how you actually look uh I think it's a lie it's a bamboozle it's paint but soing no makeup at all I

Brian Atlasdon't mind a little like uh eyeliner maybe but like I prefer no makeup who do you think is the most beautiful woman in the world I mean it's very hard to say

Brian Atlasfor you I I don't really have like celebrity crushes like I don't I don't think I could all right well what I mean I've previously said that uh a woman who

Brian AtlasI think is very attractive I don't know I don't think she's the most beautiful woman I've ever seen but a woman who I think is very attractive is oh I'm blanking on her name chat knows it better than me uh oh my God what's that

Brian Atlasgirl from Smallville oh the Asian one the yeah the Asian girl half asian girl Kristen krck thank you I think I don't know if she's the most beautiful woman I've probably

Megseen more attractive women than her I think she's very attractive y she's really pretty yeah um I guess what I'm trying to make is that I think men seek

Megbeauty Beauty can be inspiring and I don't I think maybe it's nice to sort of try and be a little bit prettier like I'm not against women like up until a

Megpoint until it's like absolute lies and [ __ ] it's nice it I think men like beautiful women and I think as long as I think that's nothing wrong with that I mean I want to ask the chat this Nick if

Brian Atlasyou can pull up the chat well okay I know guys I know she's 41 now but I'm talking you know when and she's a little younger and I don't think she got married or had children so she's an old

Brian Atlasshe maybe hey Kristen krck I'm I'm available she Fri her eggs uh okay so chat do you prefer women with plastic

Brian Atlassurgery or without so with plastic surgery without with without with without I personally prefer

Brian Atlaswithout BBL lipo fake boobs lip

TTS Donation Readerfiller hly Dr $100 question at what point do you think it is a lie at what point do you think it is a lie like how much PL a lot of that's a

Meglot of without that's a lot of I just want to make a point and I'm probably going to offend a lot of men but I think the pool of men which you take these surveys from are not the happiest of men

Brian Atlaswith women watch well adjusted happy men want a woman who's pumped full of chemicals and has and spending tens of thousands of dollars on surgeries what I'm trying to say your

Brian Atlasbut your argument is well your pool of men are are uh unhappy what's your um what's your evidence for that I think um The Men Who watch this show don't seem like they seem like they're struggling I

Andrew Wilsondon't think a man who is really happy your evidence is your feelings um wait I'm making assumptions I'm making a l of your feeling your your evidence is I think if we test I could be true it

Brian Atlascould let's just assume like let's assume what you're saying is true though wouldn't a man who's really struggling with dating be more willing to accept a

Brian Atlaswoman who's undergone plastic surgery because for a man to say for a man to say well I want to exclude this subset of women excludes them as potential

Brian AtlasPartners so that means they're demonstrating a higher level of SE selectivity excuse me so can you make the argument that the man's struggling he has he's in less of a position to be sexually selective with women I would

Megmake the point that they've probally been through so much rejection that they want to reject themselves to make themselves feel better that's a reach um so they're they're just conveniently

Megonly rejecting the women with fake tits and bbls is that no I'm not saying that saying that yeah maybe it feels nice to I don't know Chad are you guys just

Andrew Wilsontraumatized and and is it the trauma that you is that why yeah I mean where did you come up with this where did where where are you coming up with it like other than I just think this

Brian Atlasbecause I feel this way where are you coming up with this stuff it's just an assumption I'm making what if I told you that I actually surveyed my viewers and they're all 63 Giga Chads with massive

Brian Atlaspens and they're super rich and they have a bunch of crypto and they're super charismatic and funny and they're super dope and cool and they're the happiest from anywhere on and none of them have

Brian Atlasany St PDS and they're great people from from a solid household like one in the chat if that's you one in the chat if that's you just saying lying like I

Brian Atlasthink we're going to see a lot of ones in the chat here of all these men who are like these 63 Giga [Laughter]

Andrew WilsonChads look at all these [ __ ] Legends in the chat well look you whatever Brian says all right I'm proving wrong there you go they didn't get all of their

Andrew Wilsonstats from an Outback steakhous Brian so there's that yeah but so okay hold on so look um I would like to

Brian Atlassee I'm gonna here's a hot take I'm when I run for mayor of Santa Barbara Morgan are you going to be my political adviser for my campaign you know what I I will be your political ad my and maybe um

Brian AtlasChief of Staff maybe there we go yep yeah when I run from mayor of Santa barbaraa I'm going to Outlaw plastic surgery in the county or no no I my

Megmayor okay sorry city of Santa Barbara outlawed what do you think about that I think that's you know outlawed I don't really banned yeah you that'd be great

Megfor like because it' be all natural women and they all probably feel a lot comfortable check this out that's nice plastic surgin straight to jail straight to jail straight to jail um

Brian Atlaswhat if someone gets in like a horrific car accident that's okay that's okay so yeah we're when we're oh my God I'm

Brian Atlasstarting sorry uh so when we're talking about cosmetic surgery it's like purely cosmetic yeah making a yeah yeah it's not okay if you've had severe burns or

Brian Atlasan injury disease and that's fine or what if you're born with like disfiguration like is that like a cleft lip yeah that's okay that's okay but if

Megyou want to implant triple F titties sorry I think that's if you get voted in you should make your own Utopia that's good luck good luck to you yeah I'm people in the

Brian Atlaschat are saying that's anti- Freedom when did I ever say I believed in democracy I'm a democracy disrespect I believe in an authorit no I'm an authoritarian

Brian Atlasyes I'm going to seize the Reigns of power and I'm just going to change every yeah I'm sure a lot of men it'll be a

Megdictatorship it'll be great big is tiny titties perfect I love it thank you bro sign me up was an endorsement sign me up but

Brian Atlasokay what so what do we disagree on here on the on the plastic surgery thing I don't know I feel like it's being beaten to death is there another okay I'll just yeah we'll move on I'll just say I have

Brian Atlasa speech I want to give oh Meg would I see is an assault against the physical and mental health of our mothers sisters

Brian Atlasdaughters girlfriends wives and all women the Cosmetic industry it's a nearly half a trillion dollar Global industry as men we are protectors and

Brian Atlasthat extends Beyond just immediate physical threats but threats of body and mind my view is that plastic surgery and cosmetic use is threat to body and the

Brian Atlasbombardment of advertisement aimed at making women feel less than if they don't wear this much makeup or get this [ __ ] procedure is an attack on their

Brian Atlaspsyche and their physical and mental health so we as men is obvious protectors we have a duty to protect women and the duty to let women know they're beautiful and attractive and

Brian Atlassexy without any of that [ __ ] plastic that's lovely that's really nice you're welcome you're welcome big matter # # big La matter okay all right moving

Andrew Wilsonon to the next thing oh my God sorry guys we're guys before you before you move on before you move on CU I don't know if I'll ever get the opportunity to say this again on this show so I'll do

Andrew Wilsonit in the best voice that I possibly can uh oh shut up Meg what I just I just have always wanted to say that and the

Brian Atlasopportunity came up so I was able to say it gu appreciate it all right on the show before I'm going to read this really quick Blondie thinks it's harder because they see high value men all the

Brian Atlastime 1950s women weren't dming Sinatra yeah hypergamy has been gamed 99% of women have always been with simple men thank you uh Olympia marketing for

TTS Donation Readeryour Super Chat really appreciate it man um oh we have truth bom donated $100 I will say I'm very sad sitting on my eight figet worth I use this show for

TTS Donation Readera good laugh it was a nice thought though Christ is King wow that's beautiful truth bomb thank you sitting eight figure net worth

Brian Atlasoh was it was it Doge iig was it Doge or was it Sheba Inu what was it truth bom tell us okay and then we have Jay ekin it's been said before men fall in

Brian Atlaslove with looks that's why women wear makeup women fall in love with words that's why men lie oh that's poetic Shakespeare over here well done J thank you there let me read this other chat

Brian Atlashere that we have from oh we got stochastic Decay # Brian al2024 I was born in France so does that preclude me from running for president am I

Andrew Wilsonprecluded uh well it depends did you have one naturalized parent well so I I have US citizenship my mom's a US citizen it doesn't matter if you have US

Andrew Wilsoncitizenship did one of your parents have US citizenship yeah my mom well then yeah you're not precluded Oh I thought you had to be born on us soil or

Andrew Wilsonsomething you were born FR born on you have to oh my God you have to be born to well I mean if that was the case like then soldiers overseas would have

Brian Atlasall kinds of in any case it really is irrelevant because I'm going to Stage a coup d' so who cares about this the Constitution or whatever it's just going to be a coup d' I'll just [ __ ] like I

Brian Atlassaid we'll we'll seize the Reigns of Power by force if necessary I mean you know so by the way that's not I'm for the [ __ ] doj I'm that's a

Brian Atlasjoke okay I'm hearing a lot of President Atlas over here right now there we go uh Pepe Silva Brian shave your beard and show that weak jawline from the dad

Brian Atlasadmit your beard grooming is the man's version of makeup love the podcast call out hypocrisy when I see it look I mean you uh I have photos of me

Brian Atlason my Instagram without the beard I've got videos of me dating back 10 years without the beard the Beard's pretty new in uh so uh I'm not I feel like in that

Brian Atlasscenario I'm not really hiding anything but um I do have to Dad B that's for sure I'm working on it though I'm trying to lose it trying to lose it and I don't think the beard to makeup

Brian Atlascomparison is really that fair though I don't think that's a fair comparison to make because and arguably like I've made this argument before if what we're

Brian Atlasjudging on physical attractiveness I would argue the the top 50% of your face is what's going to be deemed like is what's going to be make or break in

Brian Atlasterms of your physical attractiveness as compared to the bottom 50% of your face so uh well also considering that facial hair on men is natural makeup isn't

Brian Atlasright natural hair is natural whereas makeup is pain so so yeah okay let's see what else oh we were what were we getting into we

Brian Atlaswere uh was I wait I was reading a chat holy [ __ ] I got lost here uh at what point do you think it is a lie that was from hilly Jr I think we did that okay

Megwe have women are better than men at child rearing oh I don't think I've actually argued that maybe Andrew did I had someone say I don't know if it's

Meggrade grade one Motorsports or I haven't seen him at all but um yeah someone did someone say that do you want to argue about that or no I would well okay the only thing I have to say on this is that when you

Brian Atlaslook at single mothers versus single fathers children coming from single father households tend to Fair better so fair better

Andrew Wilsonhow less their outcomes their outcomes in life are better they do better from educational standpoints they do better from less prison sentences they do better outcome based if they're raised

Megby a single father versus a single mother um from what age do they have their mother at the start no we're talking we're talking very young children like how old yeah even even

Megdown to infants so a single father looking after a baby is RA is has better outcomes than a a than a a single mother looking after a just on average on average and have

Andrew Wilsonthese studies been showing like when they're adults like how what well that's that's what they're doing right is they're following they're following these children how long is the study yeah I'm trying to explain it okay so

Andrew Wilsonthey're following these children from infancy into adulthood and they're looking at the outcomes some of them are 30 plus years but it used to be that feminists would make the argument so I

Andrew Wilsoncan give you an argument for yourself if you want one but what feminists used to argue is that well that's because there's a whole hell of a lot more men

Andrew Wilsonwho are in the custody of a single mom but that has changed over the years now there's a lot more men who are getting custody of their children than they used to be and we still see similar outcomes

Andrew Wilsonso yeah that's what that's what Brian is alluding to is it just one study well okay so no it's a multitude of studies there's even been meta analysis on this over this over like how what what period

Andrew Wilsonof time because this isett it depends on what you're referencing spef specifically but it's not very difficult go oh Andrew I was just going to say let's I think the easiest way to tackle

Andrew Wilsonthis is just look at criminality so yeah I was well I was just going to bring that up it's not very difficult um if you if you judge on outcomes just on education and

Megcriminality what are other things that you would be looking for as markers what's happening any nothing nothing nothing I I'm really curious about these this the studies because

Megit's really hard to do a study for that long um I've never heard of any studies that have been repeated and have been shown validity have you you have them what are they called who did it well

Andrew Wilsongive me a second and I can pull them all up for you but what would be the point of doing that hang on what would be the point of doing that you can't access tradition stop talking and let me finish

Andrew Wilsonwhat would be the point of doing that if you have no reference point the point of doing what giving you a study that you can't reference right

Andrew Wilsonnow I you said you have a study I'm asking you what yeah I know but what would I do with it do you want me to Fed xit to you like what do you what do you what how would that help you right now even if I provided the data for you if

Andrew Wilsonyou're going to engage in this you can say you can say listen I don't know of any of these studies and that's fine to do you can you can hang on stop stop let me finish and then I'll let you talk

Andrew Wilsonjust let me finish what I'm saying okay okay you can say I don't have the information on this and that's fine there's not there's not a problem with that or you can say I I've not read the

Andrew Wilsondata that's fine too but you know at least give some kind of logical argument back me just citing a study to you which I can do I can pull up the data for you

Andrew Wilsonbut what good does that do you in your position you can't look at

Andrew Wilsonit I can look at it later okay well then I'll send it over later would you like the references now yeah I mean this is not this is not

Brian Atlassomething okay we'll pull them up sure and I think and I think one study let me ask you a question do you think in a two parent household fathers tend to have the role of

Brian Atlasdisciplinarian yes okay and mothers tend to what n okay so perhaps it might be the case in in a single mother household a mother might be

Andrew Wilsonyou can find this um all the references are actually right here but you can also reference Rachel Wilson's substack there's 45 years of data this is what it's called disproving the myth that

Andrew Wilsonhusbands are the abusers we can start with that included in that substack or multiple studies including a metaanalysis which followed children uh and they were looking at the

Andrew Wilsonoutcomes over a multitude of years you can also find an easy reference point which guides all these studies St from medium medium did this as well and

Andrew Wilsonshowed how the outcomes for males uh coming from these single parent homes were better than females now medium itself is an article you can reject but

Brian Atlasthey do cite the the data in the actual article here let's let's not get too much into the weeds but so if there was evidence statistics were to back up for

Brian Atlasexample that children coming from single father households as compared to single mother households if the data showed that women were far likely to get into sex

TTS Donation Readerwork donated $100 a father figure instills respect in a child women instill emotions and Care question for the panel are men necessary

Brian Atlasin a relationship if not why yes going around the table really quick are men necessarily in a relationship yes Gustavo oh yep absolutely yeah

Selenayes and I've had this personal personal story on on this myself okay yeah nuclear family is everything yes I agree so if there was a stat or study that

Brian Atlasshowed that children growing up in single father households as compared to single mother households that the children were less likely to get

Meginvolved in sex work or less likely to become criminals would you would that be convincing for you I mean

Megit would change my entire worldview because I traditionally a mother is the best a man can't be a better mother than a

Megwoman what I I think a child needs a mother and a father and you're saying that I think children need a mother at the very beginning of their life up

Meguntil like very much more than a father at least until eight especially why tell 8 specifically um I think that's probably when they

Megstart to go out into the world a little bit and sort of start to break away from their mother is that eight I mean it's gradually their whole entire life but

Andrew WilsonElementary School I was [ __ ] rebelling it's crazy yeah well I mean it's just it's weird like I understand your thought process of saying infants who are being breastfed they need to have their mother at least for the you

Andrew Wilsonknow first what um you know 18 months or whatever it is that you're breastfeeding the kid um but outside of this external to that what do they need the mom for

Andrew Wilsonexactly the love you need the love of your mother yeah but you can get the love of your father it's not the same love wow yeah no I get it but we're just talking in what's optimal right so I'm

Andrew Wilsonsaying I agree with you that mommy and daddy at home is the best scenario there's no if ANS or buts about it but if you had to choose between a single parent household it the if the preference is man or woman

Selenathat's what the question is so I can I can I add something to this sure okay so I had a my daughter's 18 so for 14 years she I was a single

Selenaparent and I was not doing very good with her cuz I I I I was the only one working and um the only thing I could provide was emotion yeah um and I tried discipline but girl and girl it's

Selenadiscipline is like hard maybe even for a boy it'd be hard for mother to son uh when I met my husband uh he came in and brought that stability into the household the discipline and

Selenathe other half of what I was missing and now my daughter through you working with her and all that now she's I think that's great that's wonderful I think that like a a child needs a man a father

TTS Donation Readerand a mother yeah definitely Brian Johnson actual donated $100 I hope you mean8 months well for the sake of time we can't Linger on this

Andrew Wilsonone for too long but and I don't really this is not a like I said just like I was just throwing something out as a demonstration however long it takes uh

Andrew Wilsonit's going to be only in the early life of the infant yeah so what whatever that may be 8 months 9 months 10th whatever it is can I just say one thing can I end

Megit can I say sure sure I just these studies I asked about the age because I think yes a mother is needed more than a

Megfather early on and if they don't have a mother at the start of their lives um it's can be significantly detrimental to

Megthem later on well you you asked him for a study do you have a study for that I'm that's a traditional value it's worked for centuries that a mother and a mother has done a motherly role and a father

Meghas well the two parent household is optim I'm no yes I never said the two parent household isn't optimal that is optimal but your so your position is

Andrew Wilsonthat my position is that a father can't be a better mother than a mother a father yeah but a mother can't be a better father than a father so the question Still Remains as to whether or

Andrew Wilsonnot a father the outcomes of the child raised by a single mother or single father which one is more optimal and the date is against you not against me I think I think like up until a certain

Megage yes the mother becomes less and less needed so age you just came up with eight that was arbitrary though right um yeah okay any whatever anyway a mother being a mother is needed a lot at the

Megstart and then the father has needed a bit longer just to like kind of push the kid out because the mother's very like protective and doesn't want the kid to go you know off into the world and the father's meant to discipline and be like

Megyou're fine and push them out into the world I'm just saying I'm not saying anything that groundbreaking so then so then would you say say then that fathers probably provide for better

Megoutcomes for children in single parent households I moved out of harm when I was 15 and lived with my dad and that was I was great I love my dad was so in

Megyour personal experience then yes did would you say it yeah so even in your personal at the start of my my life and my father could not have provided that role um so this is actually an excellent

Andrew Wilsonsegue because absent data and I don't expect you to have and you're at a disadvantage because you can't look it up so I'm not going to hold any of that against you but even from your own personal purview it is true that a

Megsingle father household was better for you um you're not I think I think I don't know what we're arguing I feel like you have I don't feel like we're arguing the same thing I feel like you should answer my question I feel like

Andrew Wilsonyou're trying to entrap me I feel like I don't care how you feel and you should answer my questions so from your own personal purview from your own personal experience the single father house old was better right I think when I was

Andrew Wilsonyoung I needed my mother and when I got older I needed my father yeah that doesn't answer my question can you just answer it you can say the try this word yes or try this other word no you can

Unknowntry one of those that's exactly what they're doing go on she wants you to restate the question what what's that she wants you to restate the question okay well I'll

Andrew Wilsonrestate the question so from your own purview your purview you your own personal experience absent studies was the single father household better than the single mother household my mother

Andrew Wilsonwasn't a single mother she had I had a stepdad okay great and which one did you end up living with my dad okay and was it better um it was different I definitely

Megneeded my dad there oh it was different so you moved in there because you just wanted something different look my argument no no you look you just moved in cuz you wanted something

Andrew Wilsondifferent my argument is you're twisting my words and you twist everyone's words you're not going to twist my yeah I'm just twisting your own words against you what a psychopath now answer my question

Andrew Wilsondid you just call me a pyer what did you say I well you have to the problem is you can't hear me over your own mouth what I'm saying to you specifically is

Andrew Wilsonthis me using your words and quoting them back to you is not me doing something wrong and it's not twisting anything tting my words here let

Brian Atlasme I don't think we're going to make any progress on that let me move it on I I just normally we don't read these s sarahi if you want just send you got to if you don't have IG normally we do all

Brian Atlasour talent recruitment through Instagram at whatever can you create an Instagram or I suppose you can email um email Bri at whatever living uncore donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 Lexi I actually think you are a traditional girl I looked at your Instagram and you can't can't even completely see your butthole we are very proud love

Brian AtlasDad okay thank you for that thank you for that here shifting gears here shifting gears you I'm we're going to get through these guys you said women should date multiple men at a

Brian Atlastime I didn't say have sex with no don't have sex with them date them date multip how many when you say multiple men three three men is more more would be okay though as long as you're not I think it

TTS Donation Readerwould way too hard to date more than three men at a time okay so I mean Soul Fist donated $100 all of society's degenerates were

TTS Donation Readerraised by single mothers criminals sex workers drug addicts alcoholics Etc a single mom cannot stop a teenage boy if

Brian Atlashe decides he no longer wants to listen I think I think we need dads we need dads single mom's a b we need thank you sist for for that uh so you said that

Brian Atlaswomen should date multiple men at a time should men date multiple women at a time yeah oh okay well uh I

Brian Atlasmean I'll give you my per point of view on this if I was dating a girl and she told me that she was dating other men that would be a goodbye and I don't know

Morganif we talked about this how in like if it's like you're going on a first and you just went on a first date last week or oh you're you've been seeing this girl now for a whole month you've gone on three dates you're gone on three days with three other girls like I feel

Brian Atlasthere's there's a spectrum here yeah yeah so I'm a I'm a loyalist absolutist so you go on a date with one girl she has to

Morganbe she has to be single properly single how recently if she went on a first date on week before your first

Brian Atlasdate how recently can she can she have last been on a date look uh let me maybe I should drive because I'm also I'm also a loyalist I only date one man at one time okay yeah so

Brian Atlasuh if here okay here's the here's the easiest way for me to explain this if I go on a first date with you and you want to go on a second date with me it has to be a wrap with those other

Brian Atlasdudes um okay so I can at least I'll give you a little leeway there was you know you if you were sleeping with another guy and I went on a first date with you done I think if a woman start sleeping with a guy she shouldn't be

Brian Atlasdating other men that's the leeway I'll give but uh if I go on the first date with you and you want to see me again it's got to be done with those other

Brian Atlasdudes bare minimum on the second no if okay if I go on the first date with you and you want to see me again you can't be going on another on another day why

Megwhat promises why why why does a woman have to give up all her choices are you going to be going on another second date I [ __ ] am a sniper I'll laser in on a chick if I like her I like her and

Brian Atlasthat's it well how does she know that are you I'mma tell her what does that thises me [ __ ] I'll tell her before the first date I'll I'll see how far I can push the boundary I'll be like yeah I don't want you talking to other dudes um

Brian Atlassee I think that's respectable first message hi nice to meet you nice to meet you I'm Brian you must swear off all other men in fact even if we only go on a date and it doesn't go anywhere you

Meghave to join the nunnery if you being that's how [ __ ] extremist I'm a [ __ ] extremist on this [ __ ] if you are saying that you want to be exclusive with her and and so you're not dating anyone else and she's not going to then

Morganshe's not going to dat else then they both agree that you don't want to date anyone else and that seems fine that's Shel yeah I think like third date in like you should a woman shouldn't be seeing more than like another like maybe

Morgantwo people at the same time because I think if you're investing your time into actually going on a date with a man you're showing him interest and after a first date if you don't want to go on a second date like you're done like but you shouldn't be seeing I think three to

Megfour men and entertaining multiple men at the same time I think you're I think you go on you date three men go on three dates if you don't like them after three dates you toss them and if I'm trying to

Brian Atlasschedule a date with a girl I like for Friday night for Friday evening and she's like sorry I'm dating I'm going on a date with another guy okay it's over that's fair that's

Meglike that's fair if you don't you don't want know I want it wait you does I'm not I don't want it that's cool I I don't think women should be dating multiple men I think they should have

Megone they should date um one guy three dates give him three dates if you don't like him oh that's not dating men like multiple men I don't think you should date three men for like forever you

Megshould give them three dates and if you don't like him you should you should tell him and then until you find the one you want more than one person at the same

TTS Donation Readertime look you can do what you want but like again I'm a [ __ ] extremist on this I guess um hold on hilly donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 monogamy is dead the future doesn't look good Brian is spoton nothing hurts more than her lying to you and the one guy you worried about is the first first

Brian Atlasperson she runs to after it do work also to add to this kind of the anecdote I gave before like I want a girl who is not encumbered with some like psycho X or any of that [ __ ] I want a girl who's

Brian Atlasproperly single so that can mean there's not some [ __ ] weirdo X in the picture all the way to she's just not entertaining other dudes casually even for casual day like not even hooking up

Brian Atlascertainly like if she's having sex with another dude not interested I've lost interest hook up have kiss physical with a guy okay but even if she's just like talking to another dude I want let me

Brian Atlasagain maybe this was maybe the I don't even think it's extremist this is how things just normally used to be but [ __ ] is so [ __ ] up now I want a woman's

Brian Atlasundivided romantic and sexual attention as early on as possible of course you do of course every guy wants that of why do you deserve that what do you mean why do I deserve it what are you giving

Morganher are you giving are you going to marry her you going to have babies with her what I think if a man is sorry go ahead go ahead Morgan I was going to say if a man is properly pursuing a woman and initiating a date going on a date then a

Morganman would receive that loyalty I think from a woman that is just what a woman should do if she is also interested in that man to where I don't think a woman even needs to be talking to and entertaining three to four men at the

Morgansame time going on three days and like M didn't work out I'm going to toss them like you can find that out with just one man and being you know I'm going to be intentional and talking to one person at a time and devoting that time to that person getting to know them all right

Megwell I think women don't have as much that much time I think they should date three guys three dates three guys three dates it works I mean if it works for you guys I'm just speaking from and again I'm probably an outlier in this

Brian Atlasregard I don't have time for that a lot of men what tolerate a lot of [ __ ] but me personally like my kind of position is like I'm going to be entering your life like a [ __ ]

Brian AtlasWhirlwind there's not going to be this like this like uh probationary period for three months where we're [ __ ] other people no boom I meet you it's

Morgan[ __ ] on that's it that's nice that's a nice way to be no I don't know how I could talk to three men at the same time I'm being so honest like I could not entertain and go on different dates in

Allisonthree dates with three men and trying to coordinate that that's I think harming a woman more than helping her I personally agree with that I mean going back to

Allisonwhat um that we were just talking about I mean I think I would be upset if I knew the guy was going a second third date with is dating other people and taking them on dates that would make me feel some type of way I came in like a

Morganwrecking ball sorry sorry s sorry all right then that's good luck to you guys I hope you guys find someone well I mean if you go on a third date with a man right and then he's saying oh yeah like

MorganI actually have two more dates this weekend with these other women I'm not really sure how I feel about you because I'm also going on these dates with these two other women how would that make you feel um he hasn't promised me I have sexual

Morganexclusivity he hasn't said like well you're not having sex but I mean if you knew that the guy you were interested in was also seeing three other women that's pretty common if he hasn't made a

Andrew Wilsoncommitment to me then he's afraid to do what he wants yeah I am kind of curious here um Can can you tell me why there would actually be a moral problem this is to uh tpusa can you tell me why there

Andrew Wilsonwould actually be be a moral problem with a woman dating multiple men if she wasn't physically engaging with them and she was just looking at her various suitors and trying to determine which

Andrew Wilsonone she preferred to be with I mean she could anyone could do whatever they want but I mean even no no no no no no no hang on know she can I know she can we've established she can so let me re

Morganask the question what is the actual moral problem with her doing so if she's not engaging in a physical relationship with them if she's not engaging with a physical relationship with them there's not necessarily a moral problem with a

Morganwoman going on multiple dates but I've seen cases of women being serial daters where they constantly are going on multiple dates with multiple different men or entertaining relationships and talking to multiple different men and none of them are really working out

Morganbecause I feel like women are so quick to have like a fear of a better option to where instead of actually devoting time and getting to know somebody intentionally they're instead just going to the next state and someone else who's new and shiny do you mean like leading

Andrew Wilsonthem on you're talking about leading them on yeah but that would be kind of Nefarious assuming she's not leading them on she's just looking for the best Suitor and so she dates multiple men but they're actually just dating dating

Andrew Wilsondoesn't it doesn't have the modern connotation of sleeping with you they're just actually going on dates and she let's say she's dating six at the same time uh to find the best Suitor what's

Morganthe actual problem with that I mean if it's a first date if you're going on six First Dates I don't see a issue with that it's when you're starting to continue that relationship and getting to know a person that that's when you

Morganwould need to shift your mindset in devoting time to actually intentionally getting to know that person but that's just my that's my personal opinion morally if a woman's going on six First Dates no there's nothing morally wrong with that if there's no sexual

Morganinteractions going on there just getting to know a person then fine but when you get to that second third fourth date time period and you're talking offline you're not just talking in person on a date then you know you are devoting and

Andrew Wilsonspending time and effort with that person and wanting to get to know them so I think I would agree with you here um to an extent that if you map it on to reality that women probably aren't going

Andrew Wilsonto be dating multiple men if it's not to lead them on or to get some sort of resource or something like this I understand that I'm just curious from your purview if they're actually doing

Morgansomething wrong if there's no nefarious intention behind it no I which that's where I agree there is if a woman is going on multiple first or second dates I will say second dates at the third

Morgandate you should know you know who the suitors are but first and second date you're going on a couple of first and second dates no there's nothing physically or morally wrong with that

Brian Atlasscenario oh Natalia oh it's our friend Natalia uh hey Natalia thank you so much for the gifted 20 memberships you're a legend always love seeing your comments uh

Brian Atlasafter the videos thank you appreciate it Natalia uh actually I want to come back to something you said so I said I want a woman's what did I holy fck what did I

Brian Atlassay I want a woman's uh I want a woman to be oh my God how am I blinking on the thing I just said what did I say about uh

Brian Atlasexclusive romantic and sexual no but it's not exclusive what's the word I used uh do that is it exclusive hold on

Brian Atlaslet me let me Google this thing one sec guys hold on uh somebody sing a song really quick while I'm Googling this [ __ ] undivided undivided thank you Nick you're a [ __ ] Legend

Brian Atlasokay I said I want a woman's undivided sexual and romantic attention immediately and you're like well why do you deserve that and I actually think

Brian Atlasthat it's I'm giving a girl a better deal actually than the reverse what is what are you giving how many women complain about these guys are commitment phobic they don't want to commit blah blah blah they just want to [ __ ] around

Brian Atlasand beat players you're giving I actually think that I'm giving you exactly what you want so you can you can hop on the ride or you can get off I think that's if you are social or about

Mega girl and that you it's not about what I deserve really how why do I deserve it I when you said I want this from a woman yes I I didn't know what you were what you were giving in return if you're

Meggoing to give like a lifetime commitment to her take care of no not lifetime commitment that's not what we're talking about though

Andrew Wilsondating that's what women date for well most women how am I supposed to give a lifetime commitment that can I don't really understand think I can bridge the gap here I think I see what she's saying

Andrew Wilsonso you're your question back you're asking why is it that a woman should give you her undivided attention if if she dating multiple suitors she can find

Andrew Wilsonthe one who's going to give her a lifetime commitment did I get that right yes yes okay so then what what Brian's saying is well look uh if it's me I

Andrew Wilsonthink that I'm I'm enough of a prize or I have enough that I'm giving immediately that I don't want to have the competition of other men that I'm competing with and the kind of woman who would string me along to give me

Andrew Wilsoncompetition with other women I don't want to be involved in and you as the person who wants his resources you would want to take that into consideration right because that would be exactly the type of steadfast man you would want a

Andrew Wilsonwoman to be with for the rest of her life I don't want resources for like a short time I want it forever that's what I want a full yeah I know but the kind of man who wants your undivided attention is the type of man who's

Andrew Wilsonprobably the most likely to give you those resources forever right most likely yeah but not yeah most likely so so then his point that's Checkmate for Brian then is it okay yeah

Andrew Wilsonthat that would be Checkmate for Brian so if if it's most likely true that the type of man who who uh wants your undivided attention is also the type of man who's the most likely to give you all those resources for your lifetime

Brian Atlasthen it seems like you would want a man who you gave your undivided attention to most likely just doesn't cut it if if I can add something here so I do think

Brian Atlasthat perhaps my Paradigm is both an old one and a new one in so far as my view on this is probably was actually perhaps

Brian Atlasfairly standard decades ago but now it's kind of new because there's this expectation that well people are just out there dating multiple people I certainly know on dating apps the

Brian Atlasexpectation is going to be this person's dating multiple people you're lucky if they're not sleeping with one other person and that's kind of a tragic thing

Brian Atlasum but it's this new paradigm but an old paradigm and [ __ ] I lost my TR thought [ __ ] God damn it

Brian Atlas[ __ ] wait okay so hold on hold on I got this I can do this get it [ __ ] together Brian okay and so it

Megit [ __ ] okay take it away Andrew I lost it I I'll get it back I'll should we go to the next Point soon

Andrew Wilsonvery soon but um you're try I totally lost my train of thought checkm himself no I didn't Checkmate myself I just totally lost my train of thought which is kind of that's a that's a that's a mulligan we're going to call that a

Brian Atlasmulligan that's a mulligan that's a mulligan I was arriving at some point um but I totally forgot it'll probably come

Brian Atlasto me in five minutes when we're talking about some other [ __ ] um but uh wait it was oh thank you a che okay let me think about this for [Music] second [ __ ] it didn't come to me all

Andrew Wilsonright we're gonna move on okay so hang on hang on I can jog your memory so here's here's here's where we were at yeah yeah yeah yeah I was saying that if it's true that she feels like the type of man who's the most likely to give her

Andrew Wilsonlong-term resources would be the kind of man who wants and desires her attention exclusively um then I don't I don't really understand what her argument is

Andrew Wilsonbecause from your perspective that's exactly what you want to be is that man yes so you're providing a a lifetime

Andrew Wilsoncommitment no what the what well no but he would be the most likely type of man who would if he wanted your undivided attention and was giving you the resources right now he would be the most

Meglikely to do that long term why why should she stop looking for other men when she'll might find another guy who will give her a lifetime commitment like man well the problem well how how would

Andrew Wilsonshe determine which type of man's going to give her life lifetime commitment it wouldn't be on the first date right so if the type of man who's going to give her a lifetime commitment wouldn't that be exactly the type of man who would say

MegI want exclusivity I think you need to go know get to know a person to see whether you can trust them and if they say they want

Megto be exclusive um and they want they're looking for they're looking for a lifetime commitment I'm not saying they promise right there on the third date they want to marry I'm just saying that

Andrew Wilsonthat's what their that they're they want to work on together exclusively I think then they should stop dating other people this is kind of weird though because let's assume for a second that

Andrew Wilsonyou're in this situation where you have three different suitors and one of the the two suitors say they're okay with you having the other two suitors they're fine with it they'll compete and one of

Andrew Wilsonthe suitors says no [ __ ] that I'm not competing with nobody I want a date exclusively and that's that and you need to kick these other [ __ ] to the curb wouldn't that be the guy you would be most likely to think would have the

Meglong-term commitment to you um I just don't think you can imply that it's reaching a little bit I mean it's nice that he wants exclusivity that's nice but it's not he's not he

Andrew Wilsoncould just want to have her exclusively for a short time yeah but so the other two haven't made any commitment they haven't even all they've said is sure we'll just continuously like you don't know if that's all the information you have to

Meggo off of wouldn't you go for the guy who wants exclusivity well the thing is we don't have just three men to choose from we've actually got three men at a

Megtime um if one guy doesn't want to want to wait I don't know not wait but

Meglike if one guy just um can't provide commitment to a woman and he doesn't

Megwant to do that then she should stop dating him but is an exclusivity commitment

Megum yeah I guess you need exclusivity um you need to that you a promise like it's for a future it's like forever you need to like decide like how much time you're going to spend together yeah but I mean he's not going to say I'm going to do

Andrew Wilsonthis forever right away but saying that I want this to be an exclusive relationship seems like that would be step one on that larger course right I think it would be a bit of a red not a red flag I don't want say red flag but

Meglike on that would be the opposite ofed flag first date if a guy said I want to you're the one I want to marry you I would be a little bit I would say that [ __ ] so you so you would date a girl for

Brian Atlasa few times you said you come into her life like a train or something and be like you're the one I want to be don't be dating any other men so how many dates well hopefully she's not dating

Brian Atlasother dudes even on that first date but I will give a little bit of leeway it's still suboptimal the best scenario is the girl's properly single and then from the gu go that's

Brian Atlasthe best that will make you more appealing to a man than if he knows that you're just dating other dudes in my view in the I mean like she's not um being physical with any men don't care

Brian Atlasokay well that's fine that's up to you if you don't want to if you want to date a woman who isn't dating any other men I don't want like here's the thing right I don't want a fence sitter and is somebody I mentioned it before is

Brian Atlassomebody who's been on both sides of of this where women will show interest in me I show interest in in women I take the initiative they've taken the initiative I want a woman who's like really [ __ ] into me I don't want some

Brian Atlaschick that it's like she's playing hard to get and it's and it's a Chase it's just better if she just like like instantly what let's turn it around let us assume for a second that you were dating a guy who had four different

Andrew Wilsongirls he was dating would you recommend that the girl who said to him that she wants him to exclusively date if his goal was long-term commitment that he go without

Megone uh it's up to him really like I don't think men date for I think if a woman was like I want to be exclusive with you and he's and if he felt the

Brian Atlassame way then he should be exclusive with her no I thinking he's asking what advice you would give to a woman who's dating a man who's dating five women oh

Andrew WilsonI would be like don't sleep with him yeah right but but wouldn't you say that he she should put herself in a position where it's exclusive that's that's the goal for sure right if that's

Megthe goal then why wouldn't that be the goal for a man as well to say I want exclusivity um I don't I think I'm not saying men that's not the goal I think it's harder for a man to give up sexual

Brian Atlasexclusivity than it is for a woman to give up that does that make sense yeah I don't think men like to wait I I think we're arguing a little bit past each other so what I'm arguing I would

Brian Atlasactually concede to you that in ter terms of you being able to potentially find or get the be well find the best guy it might be better for you as the

Brian Atlaswoman to date multiple men because you have more options however what I'm saying is from the guy's perspective from the guy's view I would find it more

Brian Atlasattractive in a woman to learn that she's just dating me or she's not dating a bunch of other dudes I would be much more inclined to just immediately reject her if I know she's dating men and I

Brian Atlaswouldn't even bother pursuing her I'm like eh you know it's not worth my time let me go find a girl who's properly single so that's where you will end up potentially losing out on certain Men by you know having the sort of conduct

Brian Atlaswhere you're just dating around dating multiple men I hope you're forthcoming about that with potential Partners or men might just assume it but it might look It ultimately might be the best

Brian Atlasmove for you maybe I think but from a guy's perspective again I me personally I don't I don't encourage men to date women who are dating other men I think it's a sub-optimal dating move go find

Brian Atlasyourself a girl who's properly single that's it okay I can understand how it would be unappealing if a woman was dating other men yeah yeah I can understand that yeah precisely so I think what you're arguing is this is

Brian Atlaswhat's best for women and it may very well be but it's not really what's Best in my view for men yeah to date a woman

Brian Atlaswho's dating other men yeah I and it's 100% my view is my my prescrip view is if she's sleeping with a guy that's a noo instantly if there's another guy in

Megthe picture sexually it's a noo if a woman like kisses another guy she should not date the other men she should not date Three Men and be physical with them she should just date them and don't do

Meganything physical just get to know them and then if she likes one she's like I that's the one I want to focus on she should focus on that one but a lot of men don't even realize some men like are just

Brian Atlaseither maybe their dating prospects are lacking so they're prepared to accept what I view as a suboptimal Arrangement but my strong recommendation to men your

Brian Atlasbare minimum looking to the men your bare minimum ought to be you do not entertain any sort of relationship with a woman who's currently engaged in a uh

MegI just a sexual relationship with another man that's an instant of course sexual yes absolutely but I think women don't an instant yes out she goes I

Megthink um I think women don't have as much time as men so they that's why I think I'm like encouraging the three- dat Rule and I don't think women should be physical because I think that oh do

Brian Atlasyou think women should wait until marriage to have sex maybe that's the next segue here yeah why do you say like that I would I think that's the best option is that what you've done I don't

Megwant to talk about me I'm not that's no that's relationship that's no I'm going to say I'm going to assume that's a no but I'm not talking about me but I think it's better to do a long

Megcording period and get to know each other I understand that men want that that's like the number one thing um but I think women fall in love through good

Megfall in love do it yes but we could fall in love with the wrong man so I think I think when we fall in love it's through sex when a man falls in love it's when

Meghe's made a commitment so why should a woman give up her her power before a man

Brian Atlasdoes so you're talking about marriage waiting until marriage is that what we're talking about here yeah yeah well I mean that's good if you're if you're religious I suppose um I certainly

Brian Atlaswouldn't recommend a secular man wait until marriage with a secular woman you could make that argument for a religious woman but I think it's well take away religion and just talk about the

Morganstatistics of pair bonding and body count and all of that meaning something then if you are getting into a relationship with someone that with the intention of possibly being married in the future or long-term monogamous

Morganpartner whatever it is you know waiting until that establishment at least of okay we're monogamous Partners For Life or SL marriage same difference because you know

Brian Atlasholding out until that point I think does offer benefits within the relationship well we are we did already have the conversation about uh marriage and what's the point of secular marriage

Brian Atlasand religious marriage um just moving gear shifting gears here you said women should be hypergamous so what does it mean to be hypergamous uh it means

Brian Atlasdating choosing the best man the most high value man and so is that kind of that's related to the also women should date multiple men so you can find the

Brian Atlashighest quality yeah guy okay yeah women should be

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