She Came To DEBATE?! Andrew Wilson! Traditional Escort?! Traditional Stripper?! | Dating Talk #143

Date: 2024-03-13

Duration: 7h 45m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAdeline Star >

LLexi (Escort)>

AAngelene (DT143)>

SSelena (DT143)>

AAllison (DT143)>

MMorgan (DT143)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_03Lexi(guest)

SPEAKER_05Angelene(guest)

SPEAKER_06Adeline Star(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Meg(guest)

SPEAKER_10Allison(guest)

SPEAKER_11Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_12Rose(guest)

SPEAKER_13Selena(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces all guests after show announcements and DBZ/Akira Toriyama dedication. Guests: Adeline Star, Lexi (Bunny Ranch), Meg (Australia), Angelene (stripper), Rose (NJ college student), Selena (TX stay-at-home mom), Allison (AZ counselor), Morgan (TPUSA contributor), Andrew Wilson (debate co-host). Show is close to 1 million YouTube subscribers.

“"without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves"”

ControversyLexi (SPEAKER_03) refuses to disclose how many clients she sees or her body count. Brian presses; Lexi briefly stands up ("I'm just taking a little break"). Brian offers the dunce hat as a compromise — wear it for 10 min and stay. Lexi accepts the dunce hat. First use of the dunce hat mechanic. "I asked politely that I do not want to answer that part."

“"I asked that I don't want to speak about that topic I asked politely that we can either move on"”

Key MomentAdeline Star (SPEAKER_06) and Andrew Wilson (SPEAKER_01) debate pair-bonding and compartmentalization. Andrew: if you can choose to turn off pair-bonding with clients, why can't you turn it off with your boyfriend too? Adeline: I choose not to. Andrew: that's a red flag — you could turn off love whenever you want. Brian's "Betty Sue vs sex worker" hypothetical used as framing. Adeline refuses to endorse Betty Sue over the sex worker without knowing each woman's ambitions.

“"if your son came to you and said Mom I'm going to marry a sex worker what would your advice to him be"”

QuoteBrian states his marriage position after extensive panel discussion: "what can I get in a marriage that I cannot just get from a long-term monogamous relationship?" Concludes secular marriage has no logical justification and many reasons to avoid it.

“"what can I get in a marriage that I cannot just get from a long-term monogamous relationship"”

Key MomentSelf-rating debate: Adeline Star refuses to rate herself on looks ("degrading"). Andrew Wilson uses Socratic method: you have preferences for other women's looks; therefore you can apply that same standard to yourself. After extended argument Adeline concedes: "I'm an eight because my tits are too big to be a 10." First honest self-assessment after approximately 20 minutes of resistance.

“"I'm an eight because my tits are too big to be a 10"”

QuoteBrian reads TTS donation from Stiffler asking guests their body count. Adeline: above 20 (public scenes). Lexi: refuses. Others: undisclosed. Brian to Lexi: "you see one client a day on average" — starts doing math on body count. Lexi leaves her seat; dunce hat mechanic deployed again.

“"ask the girls their body count"”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson argues men caring about body count is equivalent to asking about a felony background: "it's none of your business what I did in the past" parallels to "my body count should not matter." Adeline (SPEAKER_06): they are not the same. Andrew: both are historical behaviors that predict future behavior and affect quality of life. Adeline: relationship compatibility matters more than past statistics. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): statistically, higher body count correlates with cheating, divorce, and marital unhappiness — cites 53% divorce rate and 80% female initiation.

“"your body count not important for me to know how it's going to affect me"”

Key MomentRose (SPEAKER_12) says guns are "scary and violent" and she would run away from a man with a gun. Andrew and Brian press her with home invasion scenario. Rose eventually concedes she would want a gun if she knew an attack was coming. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): encourages all women to get trained and carry; criticizes liberal indoctrination that taught women guns are scary.

“"I would prefer them to have a firearm but it's like in the hands of someone that I don't know"”

Key MomentMeg (SPEAKER_09) argues women have it harder in dating. Brian role-plays a Trader Joe's approach scenario with Meg; Meg struggles to initiate and immediately backs off when Brian is unresponsive. Brian: you have never approached a man, never asked a guy out, never initiated a first kiss, yet you think dating is harder for women. Meg partially concedes but maintains women's challenges are different (selection, risk). Morgan: agrees men have it harder; even masculine women get more dates than most men.

“"hi there what are you up to today I'm shopping at Trader Joe"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson states that women engaged in pornography and prostitution are "disgusting fucking individuals." Rose (SPEAKER_12) refuses to call individuals disgusting; only the industry. Morgan (SPEAKER_11) refuses to call individuals disgusting; prefers Christlike grace approach. Andrew challenges Morgan: "TPUSA refuses to call out homosexuality" is the same pattern. Morgan pushes back strongly on this comparison. Adeline (SPEAKER_06): calling people disgusting only polarizes; changes nothing. Lexi (SPEAKER_03) notes Andrew has been smoking cigarettes the entire show.

“"if you are a woman who is engaged in prostitution or pornography you are a disgusting fucking individual"”

OtherEnd of show. Brian does outro. Show lasted approximately 7.76 hours. 07s in the chat. DBZ theme throughout (episode dedicated to Akira Toriyama who died in March 2024).

“"07s in the chat good night guys"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Nine guests and one co-host introduce themselves: Adeline Star (26yo, adult performer, LA/TX; 3-month relationship); Lexi (23yo, legal courtesan at Moonlight Bunny Ranch, NV; single/celibate ~2 yrs); Meg (34yo, Brisbane AU; engaged; 4-month-old daughter); Angelene (21yo, Oxnard CA; exotic dancer; single 3 months; ex Brandon on prior episode); Rose (21yo, NJ; TCNJ student; in 5-month relationship); Selena (37yo, San Antonio TX; married; stay-at-home mom; 4-month-old daughter; 18yo in LA); Allison (30yo, Scottsdale AZ; school counselor; single 5 years; 7.5yr relationship ended abruptly); Morgan (24yo, Phoenix; TPUSA contributor; single 1 year; waiting for marriage); Andrew Wilson (married 10+ years; host of The Crucible; debate co-host). Relationship statuses and dating histories probed for each guest.

Sex work, escorts, and the Moonlight Bunny Ranch

Lexi (SPEAKER_03) explains her role as a legal courtesan at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch in Nevada. Panel debates whether legal escorting is meaningfully different from prostitution. Lexi maintains her work is legal and she values discretion; refuses to call clients "marks" or "Johns." Brian presses on client volume (1-4/day); Lexi briefly stands up when further pressed. Dunce hat incident: Lexi refuses to give body count; Brian offers "grace" via dunce hat for 10 min. Adeline Star (SPEAKER_06) defends compartmentalization in sex work; debates pair-bonding ability. Andrew Wilson (SPEAKER_01) uses Socratic method to argue those engaged in sex work are morally culpable.

Pair-bonding, body count, and oxytocin

Extended debate between Adeline Star (SPEAKER_06), Andrew Wilson (SPEAKER_01), Morgan (SPEAKER_11), and Brian (SPEAKER_07) on whether high body counts impair pair-bonding. Adeline argues: compartmentalization is a skill; love is a choice; body count is irrelevant. Andrew argues: oxytocin/pair-bonding research shows repeated sexual partners impair bonding ability; choosing not to pair-bond is itself evidence of reduced capacity. Morgan (SPEAKER_11) provides statistics on divorce rates correlating with body count. Brian: "if your son could marry Betty Sue (virgin) or a sex worker, who would you recommend?" Adeline refuses to endorse Betty Sue; says it depends on ambition and values. Discussion of practicing-to-divorce by having multiple relationships before marriage. Lexi (SPEAKER_03) says she does not have feelings for clients by compartmentalizing. Andrew: "if you can turn it off, why can't you turn it off with your boyfriend too?"

Wife and husband scale ratings

Brian asks each guest to rate themselves on the wife scale (1-10). Lexi (SPEAKER_03): 0 (not looking to be a wife right now). Meg (SPEAKER_09): 10 (fiancé would say 10; she gives 8-9 due to newborn fatigue). Selena (SPEAKER_13): 9 (deducts 1 for post-baby duties). Allison (SPEAKER_10): 9. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): 9 (can cook, wants to forgo career for motherhood, wants 5 kids). Brian (SPEAKER_07): 0 (does not want legal marriage); earlier said 7 then revised. Andrew Wilson (SPEAKER_01): "power level over 9,000" / wife says 10. Marriage vs long-term monogamy debate follows: Brian argues no reason to legally marry as a secularist; Andrew agrees secular marriage has no logical basis. Meg (SPEAKER_09) argues marriage is for the children and the mother, not the man. Panel mostly agrees: secular marriage has no compelling male benefit.

Self-rating on looks (1-10)

Brian goes around table asking for self-ratings on looks (1-10, "can't pick 7"). Adeline Star (SPEAKER_06): refuses ("degrading"); eventually concedes 8 after Andrew's argument. Angelene (SPEAKER_05): 8.5. Rose (SPEAKER_12): 8.5 (after initial deflection). Selena (SPEAKER_13): 6 ("before baby, 4 now"). Allison (SPEAKER_10): 9. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): 8. Meg (SPEAKER_09): describes self as 7 (fiancé thinks 10). Brian (SPEAKER_07): 5. Andrew Wilson (SPEAKER_01): 4. Lexi (SPEAKER_03): not rated (husband scale given instead: 0). Discussion of whether self-rating can be objective vs subjective; Andrew's Socratic argument forces Adeline to admit she has preferences for other women and therefore can apply same standard to herself.

Samira Khan vs Hannah Baron Twitter controversy

TTS donation raises the trending Samira Khan vs Hannah Baron debate on X/Twitter. Brian: Samira posted a Lebanese glamour woman vs Hannah Baron (Southern US woman noodling catfish). Samira apparently mocked Hannah's accent and called it "illegal." Brian showed comparison images; Samira had since privated her Twitter. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): his wife Rachel was involved in making the post blow up. Andrew: Samira is a "pampered princess" who dismissed catfishing and Southern culture as anti-feminine. Brian: Hannah seemed perfectly pleasant and physically attractive from the two clips. Panel: noodling catfish is not anti-feminine; Samira's dunking attempt backfired.

Body count and insecurity debate

Brian asks each guest for body count (Stiffler TTS donation prompt). Adeline Star (SPEAKER_06): > 20 on camera; refuses exact personal count. Lexi (SPEAKER_03): refuses entirely. Angelene (SPEAKER_05): declines (brother watching). Allison (SPEAKER_10), Rose (SPEAKER_12), Selena (SPEAKER_13), Morgan (SPEAKER_11): undisclosed. Meg (SPEAKER_09): does not disclose; says intelligence is way higher than body count. Debate: is it insecure for a man to care about a woman's body count? Adeline (SPEAKER_06): initially says yes; then walks it back; ultimately says no. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): body count is like a felony background — relevant to the relationship future. Brian: panel's refusal to disclose implies they believe it matters.

Guns and gun ownership debate

TTS donation scenario: rich attractive man with AR-15 next to bed — reaction? Adeline (SPEAKER_06): fine with it; from Texas. Meg (SPEAKER_09): fine with it; would feel safe. Rose (SPEAKER_12): scared of guns; would run away. Extended Andrew/Brian/Morgan debate with Rose about gun safety and female self-defense. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): firearm owner; carries legally; strongly encourages women to get trained. Brian home invasion scenario: Rose eventually concedes she would want a gun for protection. Selena (SPEAKER_13): been to a range; supports responsible ownership. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): home invasion with crystal ball — would you get trained then? Rose: yes. Andrew: then you already answered the question.

Should women be drafted? Voting rights and civic duty

Panel debate on whether women should be drafted. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): women should not be on front lines. Brian argues from egalitarian perspective that feminist demand for equality implies draft eligibility. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): Starship Troopers civic service model — service guarantees citizenship/voting. Implication: if women aren't drafted, they face less civic duty; lesser duty = lesser reward (e.g., voting rights). Meg (SPEAKER_09): men are better at some things, women at others; doesn't think anyone should be forced to do things they don't want to do. Brian: telling a woman she shouldn't be drafted is MORE sexist than saying women shouldn't vote (dying in a trench is worse than not voting on a piece of paper). Primary victim of war: panel agrees it is men.

Who has it harder in dating — men or women?

Meg (SPEAKER_09) argues women have dating harder despite facing less rejection. Her points: biological risk of wrong selection; women were brainwashed by feminism; fear of physical danger from men; quality of men has deteriorated; women have to filter genuine men from those who only want sex. Brian counters with his list of male dating burdens: approach, first message, lead conversation, solicit date, pay, initiate physical escalation, etc. Brian asks Meg: have you ever approached a man? Asked a man out? Initiated a first kiss? Meg: no, no, no. Brian: that sounds easier for you. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): agrees men have it harder; women are approached 10x more. Meg eventually partially concedes men face more rejection but maintains women's challenges differ. Brian reveals he has been on both sides of the pursuit: having women DM him is much easier than cold approach.

Pro-life vs pro-choice discussion

Rose (SPEAKER_12) is nominally pro-choice but leans toward first-trimester limits. Uses Biblical "life begins at first breath" argument (God breathing life into Adam). Morgan (SPEAKER_11): pro-life from conception to natural death; all lives equally valuable. States brain waves and heartbeat at 6 weeks; fetus can feel pain ~8-10 weeks. Selena (SPEAKER_13): supports sa exception cases. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): very much pro-life. Brian (SPEAKER_07): pro-life. Going around table: Lexi pro-choice; Adeline pro-choice; Rose pro-choice (nuanced); Meg undisclosed; Angelene undisclosed; Selena pro-life (with exceptions); Allison undisclosed; Morgan pro-life; Brian pro-life; Andrew pro-life.

Sex work morality — are individuals disgusting?

Rose (SPEAKER_12) states from notes she thinks porn stars cannot separate job from relationship and that sex work is "disgusting and sinful" from a Biblical perspective. Brian asks her to say this directly to Adeline and Lexi sitting nearby. Rose clarifies: not the people, but the industry and the acts. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): the women engaged in sex work are themselves disgusting individuals — states this directly and without hedge. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): disagrees with calling individuals disgusting; prefers to call out the behavior/industry and show them light/salvation (Christlike approach). Andrew: Morgan's gentle approach is "TPUSA refusing to call out homosexuality" equivalent. Morgan pushes back on this comparison. Adeline (SPEAKER_06): calling someone disgusting changes no one's viewpoint; only polarizes. Lexi (SPEAKER_03): points out Andrew has been smoking cigarettes the whole show. Extended debate on whether Christian duty is to rebuke directly vs offer grace.

Body positivity debate

Adeline Star (SPEAKER_06) raises body positivity as a topic from pre-show notes. She argues women's bodies of all sizes should be celebrated; opposes fat-phobia and unsolicited judgment. Andrew (SPEAKER_01): if someone presents themselves publicly claiming to be beautiful, others have an equal right to disagree with that assessment. Adeline: casting judgment on strangers for their weight is not okay. Morgan (SPEAKER_11): body positivity movement has been co-opted to encourage obesity; medical profession complicit in normalizing unhealthy weight. Brian: is it celebrated/normalized when women "let themselves go"? Andrew: the trend exists because mostly heavy women promote it (convenience factor). Adeline: you should not go out of your way to degrade people for their bodies.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonattract M stat men unlike women will accept power for just power's sake without without wanting to attract made at

Megall do you think that's like the the the most popular like the the generally the the majority of men what power just SP well the majority of men don't start wars the majority of men just fight them so if you're talking about the lower

Andrew WilsonEchelon of soldiers who are fighting for king and country sure they can be propagandized into believing that's to save their Holdings and their families and their wives and their children but if you look at the hierarchical power

Andrew Wilsonstructure no I think that power for the sake of power for elitist is just as much of a motivation as attracting A M I don't think they give a [ __ ] why do these men Fuller and just do what they're

Andrew Wilsontold well I just told you through propaganda so it's easy it's easy toze yeah but I already I already explained the echelon threshold so I think that draes and lower form soldiers

Brian Atlascan be propagandized into believing that they are I'm asking a psychological question no your question is why do the men follow the orders so in the case of if they're already in the milit or if

Brian Atlasthey're drafted if they don't follow orders they get court marshaled and they get sent to a military prison or they get killed okay I'm not that's why they follow orders I'm not saying that it's not you know it's sad I don't think I'm

Megnot saying that it's like not awful that war isn't terrible men that die War isn't terrible what's the uh what's the psychological question I'm making a like a kind of a larger

Megpoint and I can't get there because I get sort of I can't hear you I'm trying to make a large point but I keep getting kind of sidetracked a little bit with

Meglittle side quests Rel make your point okay so the question is why so I asked

Megdo the majority of men like if you if you took a survey of men um do you want

Megto go to war for um like power or for like to protect women and children like

Andrew Wilsonwhy would uh well in this in this case would you agree with me that most men who go to war are very young and so do not have families would you agree that that's

Andrew Wilsontrue uh I don't know the daughter on that um yeah but let's assume for a second they're very young so they probably don't okay yeah so if that is

Andrew Wilsontrue that most wars are fought by young men without families yeah then they're not protecting their families right so they must have some alternative motivation what would you think that

Megthat might be um to have family in the future right so it could it's for status

Andrew Wilsonright um I guess status is appealing to women yeah Status it's it's it's for status for it could be for money could be for patriotism this and that the

Andrew Wilsonprimary motivation is not always to attract a mate though that's my point um I agree that some men just want power for power power say sure yeah but I'm talking about now the lower Echelon in

Andrew Wilsonthe hierarchy I think that also they are not fighting Wars specifically to secure women but because it also brings money and it brings status and men do like

Andrew Wilsonstatus yes they do like status women like status from men they like it from men that's true but men also like status from other men why why do they want

Andrew Wilsonstatus from other men it's just it's it's part of how we're built as a as a hierarchy if we didn't if we didn't have status appealed there would be no hierarchy because we love hierarchy so

Megmuch the man that gets to the highest hierachy of old men what does he get he gets whatever he want exactly so he gets his best choice of the women you

Andrew Wilsonget no no now you're conflating two different things because you're saying you're describing his motivation to the best pick of women but I'm saying that his motivation could be power for power's sake I'm not disag nii wrote on

Andrew Wilsonthis extensively in fact and I would say I would have to disagree with you and say that their only motivation for power is to attract women I think that if you're a man who is even on the path to the highest of the hierarchy you have

Brian Atlasyour pick of women anyway okay wait so okay you disagree about women you said women shouldn't be drafted no I don't think women should be

Morgandrafted okay yeah I agree I think women should be drafted I think women should be drafted I'm sorry I do not want a woman on the front lines trying to protect the United States of America I'm

Brian Atlaspretty sure there let me give you from a physiological perspective well let's Okay so let's say

Brian Atlasthat the W the women the the women are 20% less effective than the men well couldn't you say that the Army that's willing to send out the

Brian Atlaswomen that's like some meat Shield [ __ ] maybe you kill a few guys and then we come in the dudes come in and we the Disposable women I mean I'm being

Brian AtlasI'm I'm arguing a little bit humorously here but um it occurs to me from just a purely egalitarian position and that's kind of what feminists demand in almost

Brian Atlasevery single other realm true uh from a purely egalitarian position for from an equality position you should probably be drafted from a feminist equality perspective

Brian Atlasyeah also let me just let's argue this let's say for example example let me ask you this so let's say we we remain slightly sexist and we say well we're still going to draft women but we'll

Brian Atlaswe'll preclude them we'll be we'll Pro protect them from these Frontline duties and they'll only have support roles we'll only draft them into support roles what about that nurses GLE stuff like

Brian Atlasthat nurses maybe they can be like in a mortar Squad so they're kind of in the back but they could still maybe die I think the feminists will still have a problem with that probably fist will

Brian Atlashave a problem with yeah because oh you're preferable to not the Fe so you're saying the feminist position is women should just be drafted is that the feminist position and they would say that it's not clear to me if it is they

Megwould say no to that a double standard if a woman can do it better then a woman should do it if a man can do it better then a man should do it well a woman to better men do vote better true should should we are so oh now I know where

Brian Atlasyou're going with this look I think women should vote but should we oh my I don't want to get canceled hold on I don't know if I want to um well if you

Andrew Wilsonwere to hypothetically say that women were better at a thing or and men were better at things than women if you did think that something like a pattern

Andrew Wilsonlet's say for instance of voting was better done by men than women would you prefer then that women be excluded from this activity wow that's a good framing that

Megwas a really good way to frame that I'm really sorry but I need you to repeat that one I'm sorry I just said I just had I didn't okay so let me let me try it again thank you so if you were to

Andrew Wilsonbelieve as you do that men are better at certain activities than women and women are better at certain activities than men that's what you just previously stated I have that correct right correct

Andrew Wilsondefinitely Okay then if men were let's say better at voting than women were would you necessarily exclude women from that activity because men were better at

Megit but that's exude them if men are better at voting then women should be excluded from voting how do we how do we know like one the reason that he says

Morganthat is because if you there is a map and statistically men are voting in a better trajectory than women are especially post feminism uh that women

Morganare voting in ways that aren't necessarily benefiting our country but that's also because women are more emotional so yes women are better at certain things than men like being nurturers men are way more analytical

Morganthinking more geopolitical smarter thinking in certain ways than women are so that's why he's bringing up that question because if you look at a map men are voting in a trajectory that will

Morganbenefit the countries more than necessarily in more emotional view point of that question well men well men will vote for risk right then women vote for security so if the question really is

Andrew Wilsoncomes down to Freedom or how much autonomy you want people to have and if you want the maximum amount of autonomy if you were looking at this objectively you would push it over to men because men will take risk and risk

Andrew Wilsonwill give you the highest amount of autonomy women tend to vote for security and they tend to vote for um basically uh more security for them right let's put it that way so you're

Andrew Wilsongoing to see more of a welfare state you're going to see more things social safety nets you're going to see more things like this whereas men are more likely to take risk when it comes to how they vote why are they so afraid to get canceled all the time wait Andrew I've

Brian Atlasgot a question for you I've got a question for you Andrew so if it's copacetic and I I actually don't really really object to a woman saying that uh women shouldn't be drafted because

Brian Atlasthat's obviously in their best interest it makes sense but if it's copae for a woman to say that statement then shouldn't it in turn also be copasetic for some a man to say again I'm not

Brian Atlasadvocating for it but for men to say that women shouldn't vote because it occurs to me that if women can greater Duty comes greater

Andrew Wilsonresponsibility it's very simple so if you have a greater duty to the state this in turn means you have a greater responsibility to the state which means you should get greater reward from the

Brian Atlasstate what happens in this instance is that women have a lesser duty but they get the same reward that's [ __ ] it yeah and it almost seems like I mean

Brian Atlasthis is going to be a hot take here but saying that women shouldn't be drafted necessarily means that men should be drafted if I right because I mean we can have well it doesn't necessarily mean

Brian Atlasthat men should be drafted but it does mean that if you were to have press service it's going to only be men right so so it's almost a distinction with no merit right let me make one more point

Brian Atlasso if if that is the sort of deao position then if well if women shouldn't be drafted than it must be men well that seems almost more sexist to say that men

Brian Atlasare disposable send them into the war machine so they can go and die versus women shouldn't be allowed to check put a check mark on a piece of

Brian Atlaspaper and participate in an election I think it seems worse to go and die in a in a trench somewhere than to not be

Brian Atlasable to participate in the electoral process that's just me I don't know so what you're saying is that if you have to take a higher risk to the state then

Andrew Wilsonyou should get a greater reward perhaps that reward could be voting or perhaps that reward could be something else besides that but this is why I love the movie for instance Starship Troopers I

Andrew Wilsontold you this right service guarantees citizenship so that that would just mean like look if this is something in which uh maybe maybe you could do something like this this might

Andrew Wilsonbe uh um a good in between you could say look if you're willing to give six years of your life to the state for free you have no compensation whatsoever then you can vote and what you'd see is that the

Andrew Wilsontrend would still be that mostly it would just be men who were allowed to vote there would still be some women then at least wouldn't that wouldn't that meet the egalitarian standard go ahead um so following that logic though

Andrew Wilsonthat would mean that participants of the military would be eligible to vote not just the general public no that would just mean that people who gave service to the state in one capacity or the

Andrew Wilsonother for free for x amount of time would be able to vote I don't think anyone should be to do anything include men and women or solely just you could include but if you you could you could include men and women it's just that the

Andrew Wilsonside effect of this would be that it would be way more men who would sacrifice their time uh in and yeah without compensation in order to be able to be one of these special

Megelectors did you have something and then move on a bit I don't think men should be forced to do anyone should be forced to do something they don't want to do I think if we were in a better um society and I think if people had were more

Andrew Wilsonpatriotic men would actually want to go and protect their family and children I think well you don't really believe though that people shouldn't be forced to do things that they don't want to do

MegI mean obviously people for to do things they don't want to do all the time and that's guines and you shouldn't murder people you shouldn't there's you know you shouldn't Rob people you shouldn't no no no what about should you stop at a stop

Megsign look if you don't want to stop at a stop sign then you're going to get hit by a car but no that's not my what I asked should you stop at a stop sign yes you should stop at a stop sign you should stop at a stop sign but is aren't

Andrew Wilsonyou forcing somebody doesn't want to stop at a stop sign do something they don't want to do I'm not I'm not the the government you know you you well wait you are you're you're imposing that if you don't do this thing there's going to

Megbe a penalty I would recommend stopping at a stop sign because we have rules like stop or you get hit by a car but I'm not taking away someone that's not what you just said you just said they

Andrew Wilsonshould stop at a stop sign right you're saying then that what you would make it is what what free association you can stop at a stop sign if you want

Megto doesn't that seem absurd to you like if you just feel like it you can um that's how people go through life like they that's they have willpower and they just like I want to do this I feel like

Andrew WilsonI'm doing that I'm going to do this that's know but if you impose penalties for bad behavior they do bad behavior less yeah that's what you so you want people to stop stop signs more then what

Andrew Wilsonyou would do is you would impose a law that said if you don't stop at a stop sign there's some sort of fine or something like that right can Brian how does this have to do anything with dating that's what was one of the comments well because because you're

Andrew Wilsontesting you're testing the logic we are talking in a broad sense about relationships but people can come to views on relationships through other means and it's important to test their logic on

Andrew Wilsonthat that was crazy yeah mean relationship I believe I'm talking to a relationship coach whose worldview informs her on

TTS Donation Readerrelationships and would I be wrong we do have a lot of notes we won't linger too long on that draft one but Bender the offender donated $100 leave up I would

TTS Donation Readerargue Starship Troopers has the most egalitarian society in terms of men and women working together yes would you like to know more yeah tell it just

Brian Atlasactually send the whole script transcript of the movie in TTS form let see what happened just eat up yeah that'd be pretty funny um and uh okay so

Brian Atlasother notes we have uh you wanted to talk about women don't have it easier in dating because I've said women have dating on easy women have it easier when it comes to

Megdating so what's what's your objections there can oh she's got notes okay [ __ ] yeah go for it what you got can I just preface that I'm not saying it isn't hard for men I'm not saying it's not

Meghard at all um it's probably really hard than it's ever been for men and especially for like the good ones so I'm not saying that men are privileged overall so I just want to preface that

Megum and then I want to say that it's meant put your Vape away what huh what's wrong um so yeah I'm want to say that yeah it's meant to be hard for men sorry

Megit's meant dating is meant to be hard for men um yes okay um all right so our selection process I think as woman has been hijacked so women are basically a bit brainwashed into making choices that

Megare not best for them that's my first point two in dating there is a physical risk to the woman that men don't have number three women want sexual exclusivity from a man men will date but

Megdoesn't this doesn't infer in exclusiveness um women have to select the best men to fill the Earth with making the wrong choice has consequences so we have to make the best decision for

Megmen for the world um the quality of men has deteriorated so um women um yeah so women are women are born with their

Megvalue was men have to make their value um yeah I think women are a little bit brainwashed that's my point that's

Megokay okay so you disagree that so my position is dating is harder for men yeah and those are the can we just also Define what you mean by dating so just like getting a date or is it getting married or is it having sex sure I mean

Brian Atlasthere's different there's different periods where perhaps the difficulty of dating might start equalizing but let's start off here

Brian Atlasso the initial getting to the first date let's start there and we can have

Brian Atlasconversations of you know further down along the pipeline of the courtship process okay okay so are women expected to approach men no okay are women

Brian Atlasexpected to do any chivalrous Behavior towards men women shouldn't behave in a masculine way okay do women have any burden of initiative at all when it

Megcomes to meeting men I think women should aside from just showing up or being on a dating app I think so getting to the date they should maybe smile or

Megmake eye contact which shows to the man like yes you can approach me you're not going to get rejected um in terms what do you mean okay all right continue go ahead um

Brian Atlasso your question is what does a woman provide on a date here well let me let me tell you what men do and then let's counter it to what women do and we'll see if we can come to agreement or disagreement so here's what men do

Brian Atlasapproach I've WR I've got Notes too approaching sending the first message carrying and leading the conversation soliciting a first date soliciting your number setting up the date carrying

Brian Atlasleading the conversation on the date paying for the date soliciting a change of venue or soliciting subsequent dates and the setup and financial responsibility for said dates moving things forward physically closing the

Brian Atlasdistance Gap going for the the first kiss moving things I I won't get detailed but moving things forward physically from there uh all the way up until sex and Beyond so what's hot about

Brian Atlasthat that's very convenient for a woman to say who never has to do any of that that's not our role to do that right so what's hard okay here let's let's role

Megplay uh I'm a woman you're a man pick me up go ahead um well I definitely just to like see whether you're interested first and see if you're like making I'm not I

Meghaven't looked at you at all I'm in the Trader Joe's you think I'm attractive um go ahead maybe I would like ask a question I'd be like oh I'm looking for this or what are you what are you buying

Megand then if if you were like looking if you look like I'm buying CS if you like don't touch me or don't talk to me sorry then I would just be like back off I would not I would not continue but if

Megshe's she's like oh hi um let's role play the conversation um I want to say I'm not good at this cuz I'm not not a dude so I don't know

Megwhat to do I have okay checkm you lose okay um hi there what are you up to today I'm shopping at Trader Joe all right then have a good day you

Morgandon't seem interested so I would back off oh okay yeah okay he seemed a little bit yeah that's how like 99% of women are going to respond men face so much rejection that when they are just

Morgangetting to the first date that is a huge milestone so I will say like 100% it is way more more difficult for men to date because women will be approached 10 times more than any man will ever even just get to the first dat point that is

Megreally H pot about being a man you have to get rejected a lot that's that's what you have to do who faces more rejection men or women men men men okay so that

Brian Atlaswouldn't wouldn't you be able to make the argument that the sex that faces more rejection would mean that it's harder to date no I wouldn't say that so

Megwomen have dating harder because they face less rejection than men nor I'm not talking about rejection I'm that's part of dating there are different is that not part of dating yeah but there are different ways that

Megdating can be difficult I think rejection is the hot pot for men and I think there are different things that I have women because we have different go what's hard for women I've just listed them don't me to list I mean you you

Brian Atlaslisted this this fear of violence but that's like abnormal that's a pretty abnormal dating scenar huh it was one of my many other

Brian Atlaspoints so okay who has an easier time getting laid men oh sorry women if they wanted to get laid a woman probably

Brian Atlascould okay now isn't that sort of kind of the first step towards dating if you can't even it's definitely not the first step in dating well depends on who you

Brian Atlasask but I mean I would argue for the vast majority of like let's exclude like religious people from this let's just look at kind of what secular dating looks like I would argue most

Brian Atlasadult relationships perhaps even for religious people maybe they're not super religious it's not let's date for 3 months and then have sex most people I would argue are having sex very fairly

Megearly on in the courtship process so we just talking about what most people do because how's that working out it's not working out very well sure I agree so I don't think they I don't think women should if it's the case for most men

Brian Atlasthat it's hard to to get a date get a relationship get sex it is hard but it's not and if it's easier wait what do you mean it's not as hard as it is for women yeah so I'm just

Roserepeating my point okay uh so if you stacked up the list of things that like a man would have to do in a relationship as opposed to things a woman would have to do in a relationship

Megyou would say like that more is on the man's side right um in dating um um I think men have to prove themselves more so it's harder if

Megmen have to prove themselves wouldn't it stand to reason that dating is harder for men um I think it's harder for women right now and like our climate and our what's happening right now yes okay I

Morganjust don't understand what makes it harder for women in this current culture that we live in which I will agree with you that the dating culture absolutely sucks right now and that I think there's a lot of problems going on with like

Morganfeminism and honestly I feel like women are trying to more like compete with men during dates instead of actually being just the feminine woman that they're designed to be women are brainwashed and they're competing with men instead of

Morganbeing feminine but I don't think that that makes it harder for men cuz there are men that are still think breaking from being brainwashed is hard no it is hard but I'm saying men have a harder

Morgantime dating right now than women do because even a more masculine woman who isn't necessarily a super feminine girl and has more masculine traits she's still going to have an easier time getting a date with a man than a man is

Meggoing to have trying to get a date yes but that's not the goal like a woman could get a date with any guy and it doesn't it's just a waste of a time if he's a dud factually if you stacked it

Brian Atlasup though like the wom has more options to at least you can get there like most women can at least get to that point like there's there's men out there who

Brian Atlascan't even get a date and it's a decent portion of men because most I I would argue like most men are invisible to most women and that's why they seek my services oh my God put that

Brian Atlasin there I don't think I think it's hard for men I'm not saying it's not hard for men especially now I'm just saying it's hard of a women so but it's hard for every if if being constantly rejected is

Brian Atlasnot a big deal then why why women why don't women uh approach men more often was that's not our role to approach men it's not going to grow well if if I

Megapproach the man I'll be like hey blah blah blah he'd actually probably be very uh be shocked most men would be super flattered I think I could easily get sex which is what happens to the approaching but I couldn't maintain a relationship

Megbecause you approach just by virtue of you approaching I I'm the relationship taking on the masculine role that sets the T relation you can approach a man first off most women don't do cold

Brian Atlasapproach most women aren't going to like o do an overt approach they're going to do like what you said oh I'm I made eye contact with him so that's me taking

Brian Atlasinitiative which it really isn't but um so uh where am I going with this um I think a woman could could approach

Brian Atlasa man and still like give him room to kind of take over and lead and still be feminine you don't need to like approach a dude and be like want to [ __ ] I think there is way to like dropping the hanky sort of

Brian Atlasthing you know like oh no Dro that's like how we actually think like if if a girl approached a guy the thing is though I what occurs to me is women would just approach the really hot dudes

Brian Atlasand actually probably wouldn't even approach like the guy the guys who are on their level cuz they're like well if I'm going to take my shot I'm going to take my shot with like a really attractive dude so perhaps in that scenario yeah you're just going to get

Brian Atlassex but if you actually approach a guy who's commensurate to your uh attractiveness uh I would actually argue that your chance of success is insanely High um let me uh let me ask you a

Andrew Wilsonquestion if you don't mind you said that on the approach that women would be less successful than men due to the fact that that's the masculine role correct um

Meglongterm um making a general statement yes I think there are individuals that would work out for because it's like maybe that's what would work for them maybe there's like a masculine woman and like kind of a feminine dude as a dating

Megcoach do you think that that's a more masculine or feminine role which one which approach being a dating coach um um uh I don't know probably a masculine

Megkind of thing yeah but that's not I'm not dating my job let me let me make sure that you are a dating coach is that correct I'm not I'm not I'm just interested in the subject and that's why i' like to go I'm definitely open to learning more about the subject I'm not

Megsaying I know everything just saying that's the topic in interest me but I do think there could be a really femin I've encouraged anyone I'm definitely open to learning I don't saying I know everything I think there could be a really feminine woman who's teaching

Brian Atlasother women also how to embrace their femininity within da hold on but you say in your Instagram bio DM me dating for a free guide to dating you have a guide I'm I'm available but I'm yeah I hav't

Andrew Wilsonwait hang on back up back up hang on what do you mean you're available I'm like if someone DMS me that thing 24 guide I'll send them a guide Is it okay

Megis it a paid service do you do you get a paid are you gu I'm just I just want to like I'm just interested in the subject it's a free guide I'm not I'm thinking hopefully down the down the road I'll be really

Meggood at it but I'm not saying I'm a professor of dating right now so it's just free oh okay I'm not lying to

Andrew Wilsonanyone trying to Swindle anyone uh no I'm not well I'm not saying that but assuming for a second because you're interested in the topic that you're going to go pro do you think that that would be a more masculine or feminine

Andrew Wilsonrole and do you think that clients should move over towards men for the advice or to women don't I don't really understand what you mean but I feel like having a career well let me let me rephrase so

Andrew Wilsonthat you do understand what I mean I want to be very specific here assume for a second that you did enter into the role where people paid you for dating advice is that a role that you would ever

Megaccept if I was if I felt like I was giving good advice and helping people yes sure would that be a more masculine or feminine role it would probably be a um it could be both depending on the

Megsituation but maybe leaning more masculine I'm not saying that women are 100% feminine all the time I feel think women women can behave in Mass yeah I'm not beating you up about that I'm not

Andrew Wilsonsaying that it's uh I'm just I'm just trying to to understand would you think then that men going to a dating coach who is a male would be better for them than going to a dating coach who is

Brian Atlasfemale I yeah I think men should um probably go to a a dude I'm I'm being trying to be available for women here let me okay so just on the whole who's who's got harder when it comes to dating

Brian Atlasjust some questions for you have you ever approached a guy um no never how many just curious how many boyfriends

Brian Atlashave you had I've had two two boyfriends only two um have you had shorter term relationships no you no I've had a 7-year relationship and like a year when

Brian AtlasI was 18 okay um how did did they meet you in person did they slide into your DMs how did you meet them in person in person so they approached you mhm okay and you've

Brian Atlasnever approached a guy yeah okay uh have you ever been rejected by a guy yes you have so how did you how were you in a position to be rejected um at the end of my seven-year relationship he said

Andrew Wilsonthat's not what I'm I'm talking about that is rejection for a woman if a man doesn't want to have exclusivity with her or get married have children that's a breakup that's rejection when I'm thinking do you mind um I'm sorry I I I

Andrew Wilsonreally don't mean to keep harping on this but I'm on your Instagram right now and it literally says dating coach dating

Andrew Wilsoncoaching okay sorry just I just want to make sure oh the Highlight yeah are that you're not a dating coach I haven't had any experience I would like to offer it I'm

MegI'm giving free advice okay all right okay I've never said I was a dating coach I like in the inro I was like I'm studying to PT and I'm I think I I'm interested in has a

Brian Atlasguy ever slid into your DMs yes have you ever slid into a guy's DMS nor no okay um has a guy ever asked you out on a first date yes have you ever asked a guy

Brian Atlasout on the first date no of all the times that you've kissed someone for for the first time did you go for the first kiss or did the guy go for the first

Brian Atlaskiss the guy okay of the times um and you've never initiated the first kiss okay um of all the times a guy has initiated the first kiss have you ever

Brian Atlasturned the guy down of course yeah definitely okay um of all the times that anything's been ended whether short-term or long-term it sounds like you haven't done really any

Brian Atlasshort-term dating even for 3 or six months is that correct nothing like that so you've only been romantically involved with two men that's that's it really

Brian Atlasmhm H okay uh of all the times you've of your two well so you've only been had one breakup I've had two breakups oh two breakups

Brian Atlasokay who ended it the guy or you the the guy okay have you ever made a guy wait for sex um yeah has a guy ever made you wait

Brian Atlasfor sex no okay well I mean going off your questions it seems like dating sounds like a little harder for

Brian Atlasmen do you want to elaborate okay you've never been rejected you've rejected men you've never had to go in for the first kiss

Brian Atlasyou've always just you you've been very passive in your dating experiences that is what a woman does right she so then we can assess well is it easier to be

Brian Atlasthe one who has to be proactive or is it easier to just be passive because I can give my my point of view on this as somebody who's been on both ends of this because I'm out there on the content in

Brian Atlasthe content game I've had girls DM me it's way easier to just pick among the girls who like you and who are contacting you than you having to like

Brian Atlasput yourself out there it's way [ __ ] easier and I've been on both sides of that and I can tell you it's way better to be you have I'm not denying you're a man of like higher status probably than most of the guys who are well that's not

Brian Atlaseven what I'm arguing I'm just saying I've had I've had the experience of women approaching me I've also been on the other side of that before I kind of came into the I'm not saying I'm like crazy famous but and I don't even get I

Brian Atlasget less the M than a 19-year-old College chick okay like an average college chick who's a nobody that wasn't on my list of things H yes yeah but so

Brian Atlasand my own experience from having dealt with like women coming to me versus me putting myself out there it's way [ __ ] it's a way stronger position I shouldn't say strong it's just a better

Brian Atlasposition to be in to have people coming to you than the reverse and it's you you I mean it's easy oh you like me cool it's so

Megeasy um that's that's an interesting point of view from you yeah I think maybe some guys would enjoy you think hot hot women just throwing themselves at men you think

Brian Atlasthey're going to be like no I'd rather just chase women who are who are on the fence about me I'd rather just Chas because you have a bit more status like I don't think if you were like didn't have a podcast and you weren't know you

Brian Atlasto some dude the street and you didn't have any money no girls would DM me no girl and yes I remember those days yes so what's your point it's easy now that you've got that you actually have some

Brian Atlasvalue yeah but I can say from being on both sides of it yeah because you've never been on the side of yes I have I've just told you I've I've I've been broken up with no no no you've never

Brian Atlasbeen on this you've never experienced like having to be the one like pursuing you don't women don't really purs women don't pursue precisely

Megbut I can speak as someone who's been pursued and who's done the pursuing it's way [ __ ] better to be pursued I'm sure it is yeah but I don't really think that's like the hottest thing in the

Megworld to to pursue a woman you get rejected well again that's very Convent so Convent the doing that's not our job to pursue our job is to select but we can have empathy for men who are the

Morganones like hard that hard man I already PR PR it's not that hard just get brutally rejected time after time to get women than it is for a woman to get a man

Morganthat's just like the basis of it which I think like if a woman does have some sort of interest in a man like yeah tell them be like I like like whatever it is

Morganbut I no I agree it's not the woman's job to you know initiate a date or seek after men you know we as women want to be pursued cuz I do agree if you're starting the relationship in that way

Morganthen you're starting the relationship with the more masculine role and then you know not really allowing them to continue that does that Mak sense that's why it's easier for us though what you're saying we don't have because we don't have to do all these things so it

Megis easier for us how about I think it's hard to select from if I had like heaps of dudes coming at me all the time be like i' have to feel like oh which one is like you hot men just want to buy you drinks they don't want to buy you dinner

Megwant to have sex with you they just want I don't want to have sex but it's fine it's not the same it's not the go f they they want to wait three dates

Meglike I have to select which guy is just trying to [ __ ] me and which one wants to marry me that's right you can have discern look through it but that's not necessarily harder than the men's job I

Megthink it's hard to be rejected I think that sucks but I don't think it's I don't think it's the hardest thing in the world I think well there's more to it than being rejected I think being

Brian Atlasrejected is a learning thing like could be like oh when you know what I kind of I kind of agree with you in so far as I

Brian Atlasactually think one of the reasons why men strive and Achieve is because of rejection women reject them they're like

Brian Atlas[ __ ] let me start let me hit the gym let me go build a business Let Me Go Achieve let me let me get status so uh and it's

Brian Atlasgood in the sense of like being rejected can romantically can absolutely light a fire under your ass so many men have Absol made massive Transformations they hit

Brian Atlasthe gym they get ripped they start a business because they got because they got burned because they got rejected they have that if they weren't rejected if they were just got a girl and it's like oh hey here I it does would he ever

Brian Atlashave that fire it doesn't diminish the degree that it sucks to be rejected and it's just it's just objectively more difficult to would have achieved that happiness and level of

Brian Atlassuccess so what is this like the Silver Lining like yeah you got like absolute brutally rejected by a bunch of women but you know ex I think if if a man

Megdoesn't provide value he shouldn't be selected so then doesn't mean it's not that's what he's learned he's like oh I'm not doing anything that's that's valuable to the women cuz I'm she's going saying no I'm going to go and wack

Brian Atlason myself it doesn't mean that it's not harder it's it's it can still be harder and there can also be benefits of rejection life isn't meant to be easy and life sure yeah yeah would you rather

Megpursue or select though um I would always prefer to be a woman sorry I would prefer to why why would you rather select because that's

Rosewhat I'm born to do but Lady Gaga songer M but supposed suppose like you weren't suppose you weren't deciding like between being a

Roseman or woman regardless like just take that out of the equation like would you rather pursue or select um select because it's easier no

Megbecause um I don't know I can't really put myself in a man's mind I don't really know what it's actually like to be a man so I guess that does bias me a

Selenalot I'm just glad my husband got uh rejected so much cuz I found him so I mean if I can just bring it to a bit of a niche scenario here too uh I would

TTS Donation Readeractually argue women women who have certain uh character flaws or Bender the offender donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 so she's basically complaining about play the game of Life on easy mode do you want to play on hard mode or something I don't want to be a man I'm

Megvery happy that I'm a woman I think it's very hard overall I think overall it is harder to be a man than to be a woman does that extend to

Brian Atlasdating or you mean overall to you mean in life too I mean that's kind of I think in life it is way harder to be a man than to be a woman oh okay all right next disagreement let's let's go through all of these let's go through all these

Brian Atlasyou also said oh okay this is going to be a contentious one the women are going to turn well they probably already did um you say you support plastic surgery to a point and makeup so I've stated previously on the podcast that I'm a I'm

Brian Atlasa natural body supremacist I'm not a fan of makeup I'm not a fan of cosmetic surgery plastic surgery so lip fillers

Brian Atlasbreast implants lipo bbls uh laia labioplasty that's a huge one um I think women

Brian Atlasare okay I'll give the scenarios right I'd prefer a woman with flat boobs than big fake titties I prefer woman with a little belly fat than lipo belly I prefer a woman with a small upper lip

Brian Atlasthan lip filler I'd prefer a woman with a small bum over the BBL which looks ridiculous and I'd prefer some giant laia instead of laia

Brian Atlasplasty okay cool that's your preference and also I'd prefer minimal or no makeup over makeup all right have you heard of

Megum is it David boss who's that or I've heard the name is it an author or something he's an author I'm pretty sure he talked abouty um uh if you want to look it up he wrote

Mega really important book about surgy no how men select women like what what features they look they look for you don't know who David bus is oh so here

Brian AtlasI'm prepared to agree with you that generally speaking men find large breasts attractive men find large butts attractive my position though is it and

Brian AtlasI think a lot of men would agree with me on this it ought to be natural and you can't just because you're you're trying to basically fraud and trick us and you've pulled this veneer over you doesn't mean that that's how you

Megactually look and I think I think bbl's look ridiculous I don't think bbl's look good either I agree I think it's I think it's gone a bit crazy I think I definitely think it's well you have plastic surgery correct yes okay lip

Megfiller fake tits I don't want to talk about specifically what let's let's stick to the argument um but I would say that that if all women stopped doing it

MegI think it would be fine I just think everyone is women are competing to be really pretty so it's and I and I will say I've been an average looking girl

Megand I've been a pretty looking girl and it's life is a lot easier as a pretty girl and I will say men treat me a lot nicer because because I'm pretty people

Megtreat me a lot nicer because I'm pretty well was that you are cuz you have fake HTS right so is that what you're talking about I don't want to talk about specifically I will say that there was there's definitely been a bit of a glow

Megup and I have experience life on both ends and it's I appreciate I kind of see appreciate men a bit more cuz they open

Morgandoors for me they're they're very nice but beforehand it was kind of like I wasn't even looked at sure pretty privilege is a thing but I mean at the end of the day natural beauty I think will always precede fake Beauty because

MorganI think the beauty standards one like women are constantly competing with other women I don't think that women are going through these procedures for men but they've been told that getting lip fillers they've been told that getting

Morganyou know a boob job is going to attract more when which sure objectively you know bigger boobs might attract more men but also are they attracted to that or they attracted to your personality so I don't know did you just contradict

Andrew Wilsonyourself though didn't you just say that they're not going for they're not going for these procedures to attract men and and then the next breath you said sure they're doing this because it attracts men I will say like lip fillers if

Morganyou're getting Botox or fillers in your face BBL something that's Way Beyond a natural appearance then yes they will not be physically attracted to that but

Morgancontrast to that if you look at Society Now versus go back 30 some years I think we live in this hyper pornified Society to where that kind of unattainable beauty standard is something that's

Morganbeing put in front in the media more than natural beauty yeah sure but it's still to attract men I honestly like women compete with

Morganwomen more for beauty I agree with that it's not always why what do they what do they competing for just to be the prettiest one like genuinely wom they so

Morganthat they can get what self security self- reassurance are you it's low women have such low self- esteem that they're doing it for themselves and they're doing it for

Andrew Wilsonother women which I know sounds crazy but it does sound so crazy sounds there's no way there's no way that women are getting fake boobs to compete with other women they're getting fake boobs so that they will get talking about

Morganfillers in their face they're getting Botox they're getting lit fillers they're not getting that for men they're getting that because they're competing with other wom they see another woman or their friend starting to get wrinkles they're going to get BOTOX because they

Brian Atlasdon't want wrinkles can we just call it for what it's mental illness was it can we just say it's mental illness wait oh she agrees I agree with you okay all

Andrew Wilsonright based Lexi well hey I'm I agree with you B based Lexi I mean what is I'm pretty sure that they're doing it for for male attention

Andrew Wilsonhonestly I've really I'm not Bing into with we just do it because women like to compete with each other for no particularly good reason the the entire competition hierarchy Between Women

Morganseems to be based a on the lines of how much male attention from the highest status men they can get that's what beauty standards are about but wom that's what all the propaga creating unrealistic Beauty standard where women

Morganare continuously getting more procedures done in this unrealistic way to where it's changing the standard but women are the one that are making that standard where men continuously are saying that they're more attracted to Natural Women

Lexiand I get a lot of girls that are like oh my God I want my body done just like hers I want it done just like hers I'm showing her C Sera brainwash you have women a

Brian Atlasbrainwashed what do you mean wait what what what you huh wait what what are you saying Ryan oh what surgeries do you

Lexihave I mean I know you have fake yeah that's it but like um that's it you don't have anything else no Oh I thought you were talking about I don't even wear

Leximakeup okay you got fake lashes in come on bro hey that's it and I don't have like nothing nothing else my eyebrows my face do you have eyebrow tattoo uh the microbladed yeah that's it you have

Lexieyebrow tattoo I don't have like foundation on nothing so cool um back to your previous Point yeah let's go back

Roseyeah the um inre thinks women do it like for male attention but I feel like I agree with it's probably both it's probably it is a competition it it could be a bit of both but speaking from like

Roseat least a person point I mean I can't speak for all women but I mean I know how my insecurities can kind of like go a little bit deeper than that and then want me to change certain things but it's not necessarily for men but let's

Andrew Wilsonassume for a second let's just buy into this for a second let's assume that your insecurities are because you think that the women who are around you are far more beautiful and plentiful than you are if suddenly the by the next day

Andrew Wilsonnothing changed about you but you had all of the male attention would all those [ __ ] be jealous and would your insecurities suddenly be alleviated well personally for myself I

Roselike I have an image that I set for myself and it doesn't matter like the the male attention or female attention that I get as long as I'm not seeing that for myself I have to be satisfied

Andrew Wilsonwith myself not how other but how would you know what the standard was for yourself it's a standard if it was not for how many men gave you attention

Rosewouldn't that inform your standard for you oh my um not necessarily it's for me it's a standard that I set for myself it's like a compilation of what I aspire

Roseto be in in a sense how I aspire to look just for myself but I mean I even I have a boyfriend and I like he could tell me I'm pretty a thousand times but I would still want to change certain things

Andrew Wilsonabout myself not necessarily to like appease him to appease other men but just so I that's one guy but what if it was all the guys all towards you I've had men tell me no

Morgandon't get lip fillers I'd rather you not get BOTOX not I have absolutely no work done at all and I've had men that have told me don't get any of these things done but then I've had women oh you should get half a syringe with me come with me to the meds bar just get a

Morgancouple units of Botox it will help with your fine lines and wrinkles to where women are encouraging other women to get these cosmetic surgeries and like these

Morgansmall Plastics because men are more attracted to Natural Women so that's so wait so wait you think they're sabotaging you I mean to an extent I mean women are

Morganconstantly just attracted to getting these kinds of procedures and I've experienced men not wanting me to get any of that done which I'm am on board with I'm like I don't want to get any of that done so you didn't get any of it done right right but that's what I'm

Morgansaying the Assumption there is that you don't get it all done because you get more male attention if it's not done that's the Assumption right so then why are women then why are you saying that women are getting all of these procedures done for male attention if at the end of the day well not every

Andrew Wilsonwoman's going to be in your situation take for instance our uh not dating coach friend over here who said she's been on both sides of the spectrum my assumption here is that before she was on the side of the spectrum where she

Andrew Wilsonwas perceived as quote hot she this was pre-boob job cosmetic surgery things like this am I wrong you're asking me life was life was

Andrew Wilsoneasier as a pretty girl yeah and that was post having stuff done right mhm but yeah then there's so then this would go to my point again that yes it is

TTS Donation Readerpossible that you could say I'm a natural beauty and Liv on this donated $100 saying women compete because of men is like the girls Point earlier about men competing amongst each other for

TTS Donation Readerwomen Andrew is it just a functional difference between these yes because women don't value power the same way that men do and that was what the point was that we were

Andrew Wilsonaddressing earlier was whether or not men will compete for status for status's sake and they will women seem to be less inclined to do this rather they seem

TTS Donation Readerhilly donated $100 a 100% naturally attractive female that doesn't care for the beauty standards of these days and doesn't compare herself to other females or seeking male attention are the Holy

Andrew WilsonGrail of women right and I would agree with this so kind of back to this point which is to say that not every woman's going to to be a quote natural beauty so it's

Andrew Wilsoneasy to say well because I'm naturally beautiful men are more attracted to me etc etc whereas on the other side of the spectrum you have a gal here who says well I was on that side where my natural beauty sucked and nobody liked it until

Andrew WilsonI had these cosmetic enhancements it still seems like it's competition for men on both sides to be honest with you that's what it looks like from my perspective I mean I won't say there's

TTS Donation Readerno competition with men at all like I not going to say it's like 0% competition with men because that is a factor with attractiv in general we got kill kill cereal donated $100 everybody for all the reach a certain age the

TTS Donation Readeramount of work done doesn't keep up with the rest of your aging body it makes you look physically ill plastic women competing for the Crypt Keeper Brian I'm a life guy I'm a life guy what does that

Brian Atlasmean I'm a life can I make a point like the board game Life competing for the [ __ ] keeper let me just read one of these chats that's about to come in and I'll have you come

Brian Atlasin uh we have Johnny crypto we all have to compete for what we want in life men compete against men for women women have to compete with women for men if you can wear makeup I can wear Sho lifts

Brian Atlasthoughts from the ladies uh really quick on let's do shoe lifts and tupes Sho lifts and tupes yay or yeah sure you're fine with a tupe wouldn't feel a little little misled okay um I think women uh

Megchange their physical appearance whereas men lie about their status and success so is that like equal like one toone Fair like fair game right I think they lie different ways like if a woman has fake titties he can lie about his

Megjob that's an interesting one um I mean he can lie but and a woman should try to get the truth I guess like I haven't

Brian Atlaslied to any about who I am what I've done so yeah but don't men uh tend to elevate physical appearance more so than women do although I mean I've had differ

Brian Atlastakes on this but whereas a woman might be more attracted to a guy because of his success or career or status or ambition so if if women lie about the predominant thing that makes them

Brian Atlasattractive to men would it not be fair to say that men should or could or ought to lie about the predominant thing that that women find attractive in men I see I see what you mean it's in that's an

Brian Atlasinconsistency there um I think it's harder for men to keep up the lie though men can't really keep up the Li and it's a little different it's not a onetoone

Brian Atlasfair comparison but um oh t uh just around the table on this shoe lifts and tupe what is that a tupe it's like a hair piece so like they're bald but they

Brian Atlaslike have hair like a hair it's like a wig for It's A Wig and I'm like answering like yay or nay like would you kind of feel a little like oh cuz maybe you like a guy with a full head of hair

Brian Atlasand you'd be like and then he like takes it off after you [ __ ] and you're like wait hold on I thought you had a full head of

Brian Atlashair go ahead Lexi you got this yay you're oh you you're down with the toue sure okay all right Lexi thank you for

Rosecontributing that was beautiful I can say I can say toue yes shoe lifts no against the shoe lifts against the Sho fine with the toue fine with the what

Selenaabout you neither uh and I my reasoning um because number one genetics like I wouldn't want my son to have to go through that and then have to go through the rejection of it right of Bal and

Brian Atlasthen being short genetics again short men are now couldn't we make now if we don't know what a woman's face actually looks like and her body looks like and

Brian Atlasshe's gotten all these plastic surgeries to change how she appears wouldn't that have an impact on how our children end up appearing yes so well oh interesting

Brian Atlasfor her personally yeah yeah yeah what what about you um tupe shees I think either is fine fine Sean you you wouldn't you you date a guy and after

Brian Atlasyou [ __ ] he takes his two pay off nothing I mean I might be a little caught off guard you know like you're laying there in bed you're laying in there in bed you it was like the best sex ever and he just like he comes back

Selenafrom the bathroom and like throws it at you like a dead rat' be a little caught off guard for sure I'm ordering a plan B like oh

Morgan[ __ ] Morgan to and yeah see to your point I'm all natural I would personally like if I'm married and they need a Tay cool we're already married but if it's

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