DEBATE REMATCH! DATE ! DRAMA! BIG DAY! BIG NEWS! REACTS! CHILL STREAM! | Whatever Wednesday #4

Date: 2025-10-16

Duration: 4h 39m

Guests

Brian Atlas

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Shona Alan(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces Shona as returning guest for debate-date format

Key MomentBrian's old social experiment: almost no women said yes to sex. Shona does female version: near 100% yes rate.

QuotePasty George offers iPhone Air for makeup removal; Shona refuses

Key MomentShona reveals family wealth: father was energy company exec, $60K/yr private school

Topics Discussed

Hassan Dog Shocking

React to Hassan Piker shocking his dog on stream.

Sunday Show Recap

Feral woman who said Brian should get 'Charlie Kirked.'

Old Social Experiment Videos

Brian's 2015 'asking girls for sex' videos. Shona does female version with near 100% yes rate.

Beauty Standards Debate

Who settles more in couples? Do women face stricter beauty standards?

Shona Makeup Removal Refused

$500 bounty + iPhone Air offered; Shona refuses. Shows without-makeup photos instead.

Shona Family Background

Father: former energy exec, multi-million payout. Private school $60K/yr.

USAID Birth Control Destruction

Trump/USAID contraceptives in Belgium warehouse sent to waste disposal.

Transcript

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Shona Alan>> it would almost be dissonant to call them by she her now even though that was their original >> their original gender at birth. Does that make sense? So that would also be kind of dissonant >> in what direct? How so? Like, okay, if

Brian Atlasyou're like this, >> like if they tell you like you think upon just visual assessment, you're like, "Okay, this person looks like a man like a man." >> Even though they were born a woman, they tell you, "I'm >> I'm a trans man." >> That would that would be like a little

Brian Atlasconfusing. >> I mean, I suppose it would create dissonance, but >> they're still uh male. >> They're still They're still male or sorry, sorry, they're female. Yeah. Yeah, I got >> Oh, this whole thing's confusing. Yeah,

Shona Alanthey're still female. It's a little confusing, but what the point I'm trying to make is that that would be a little visual like visually confusing with how you're referring to them as >> in the same way. >> Yeah, sure. It would >> calling you she her would be confusing.

Brian Atlas>> Well, yeah, I I understand that people can be very deceptive and can be effectively deceptive. >> Well, it would deceive, right? So, I

Brian Atlasmean, how would how would it not be categorized as a as a like if I believe somebody's a male, but

Brian Atlasthey're actually female and they've done this through visual uh visual altercation. Well, not it wouldn't be they've done this through physical adjustments to how they look.

Shona Alan>> That would be deceptive. >> Okay. Well, I guess like the conversation we're having is not about if it's deceptive or not. Even then, I wouldn't say like someone choosing to present themselves a certain way that aligns with how they feel is deception.

Shona AlanLike I think how you want to how you want to present yourself, that's just >> is women wearing makeup deceptive. >> Not necessarily. No. >> Not necessarily. But can it be deceptive?

Brian AtlasI don't I don't think it's it's like it's not where women wearing makeup is not about lying and deceiving. I mean, maybe it is for some women. >> It's in the It's in the actual word itself. It's makeup. You're making up what you look like. Here, can I show you

Shona Alansome some >> I think a girl can wear it. A girl can wear it in a way of like she wants to deceive others, but I don't think she has a a good relationship with makeup then. And that's not

Brian Atlas>> like What about this? Tell me like ah Discord's going to be lame again. >> I mean, she looks she looks different. Yeah, >> that's a pretty big difference. I'm trying to

Shona Alan>> But she if she likes it and that's like how she wants to present herself, like cool, good for you. >> I don't know why. >> If like if I'm if I was like on a date with a guy and he was like, "Oh, well, okay." A guy would never say this and that'd be stupid, but like if he had a

Shona Alanconcern of like, "Oh, you look so different without makeup." I would be happy to show him like a photo of me without makeup. But that is >> Do you have one that you can show me? >> I actually do. I can pull up a photo. I look different, but like whatever.

Shona Alan>> Like look, there's obviously varying degrees of makeup. Like some women put on a little bit of eyeliner. >> It doesn't change much. >> I'm wearing winged eyeliner. I'm not wearing it because I'm trying to

Brian Atlasconvince you that this is actually a part of my face. >> I'm wearing it because I just like how it looks. >> Yeah, that's fine. Although, uh, hold on.

Brian AtlasThere's one. There's a few really good ones.

Brian AtlasOh, no. >> She doesn't even look bad without it. She Her hair is just kind of messy. Who? >> The one you just pulled up. That one. >> This one? >> Yeah. She has a cute face. Her hair is just messy. That's the problem. It's literally >> I I'm not Look, I'm not Whenever I show

Brian Atlasthese, I'm never I'm not always trying to say, "Okay, she's like 10 out of 10 stunner with the makeup and she's just a troll monster without Most of the time, a lot of these girls, they're still

Brian Atlasthey're cute. They're still cute without the makeup. Uh although some of them, I would say, go from like unattractive to attractive. Um >> all right, the wig has been on all

SPEAKER_03night. >> Oh man, Discord's being lame. It's not >> a little bit of extra. And I put it kind of on the back of my head, but I don't touch the area where I put the >> The wig has been on all night. It is time to

Brian Atlas>> Let me see. Well, hold on. Okay. >> Um, >> wait. Okay, hold on. Can I show it to the stream?

Brian Atlas>> I think I look younger. >> Okay. I just want to make sure no notifications pop up. >> It's kind of blurry. >> Ah, it's not. >> Yeah, it's it's going to be weird. There's too much reflection. >> I mean, but the thing is, is there a

Brian Atlasfilter on this? >> No. I mean the lighting it's the contrast >> because of the like the the lighting on your face like super contrasted.

Brian Atlas>> See like these are more in the same sitting in the same car ride. 10:25 a.m. >> Yeah, but golden hour. Golden hour. Golden hour. Hold on. >> Okay, here I'm going to let the chats come through. >> Is this you saying that I look good

SPEAKER_02without makeup? >> Thank you. >> Based Thor donated $30. >> Thank you, Thor. Bricks and want to thank you for providing me entertainment during my work on Sundays for the past

SPEAKER_02year. I recently got promoted and won't be able to catch your live streams as much anymore. Stay based buddy. >> Oh, this one's live, too. So, you can't >> base Thor, you're not going to What's

Brian Atlasup, man? You got to Hey, try to catch a little bit. Just stop by. Say say what's up in the chat for a few minutes if you can. What's up? >> This is live, too.

Brian AtlasDo you have I know you said you wanted to show photo of like the you said you have what how did you call it >> eyeliner? No. >> No. The you said sn what? >> Whoa. What >> the >> with the the the eyebrows? You said you

Shona Alanhad a photo. >> Oh, me before I did my eyebrows. >> What was the term that you used? You said it was like >> Oh, caterpillar brows. >> Caterpillar. >> I did caterpillar. >> Do you want to show my >> But are you willing to accept that I'm Do you think I'm a catfish? I mean,

Brian Atlasthe lighting is >> This is me in my room. What do you mean the lighting? >> Well, the lighting it's like orange. >> It's just the standard lighting. >> Like, I would need I would need, you know, I need a bit cooler. I need a bit

SPEAKER_02of cooler of a light, you know. >> Hold on. Hold on. >> Okay. What? >> Hold on. I'm going to let Pasty come in here. >> Pasty George donated $30. >> By the way, Pasty,

SPEAKER_02>> no eyebrows is wrong. I've seen Obie swimming. Some like whales and boyfriends and even ugly and weird looking women can easily get dates when compared to a below average man or an

Brian Atlasunattractive man. >> Pasty, thank you again, dude. I freaking love the color of this one. The case it I almost want to take the case off because the orange is so beautiful.

Brian AtlasOrange is so beautiful, man. Thank you. >> Look at that sunset, guys. Look at the sunset. Santa Barbara. Why Brian? Why do you live in California, Stan? Brian, why do you live in California?

Brian AtlasStan, >> why are you so skeptical of my selfies without makeup? >> No. Well, it's just like uh there has to be there has to be neutral lighting. >> I showed you two different photos with very different lighting.

Shona Alan>> It was golden hour lighting >> and then in my room >> and then your room has like an or yellowish. >> Like, aren't most lights slightly yellow tinged? I don't have like indoor lighting is like slightly warm.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, that's true. But you can. But that's going to uh yours is very Yeah. Anyways, whatever. It doesn't really matter. Doesn't matter. I'm gonna do We have more chats, guys. $30 TTS. >> Wait, here's another one of me in my

SPEAKER_02bathroom. >> Pasty George donated $30. >> The current show, including the industry, were made and enforced by women. >> Women constantly judge each other and

Brian Atlasthemselves, which is why they can never be real and just fake copies. I'm not saying women are, you know, they take the the makeup off and every single

Brian Atlastime they look like cave trolls. >> I wear a lot of makeup and I look good without it. >> Unless you don't think I do, then that's a different thing. >> I don't know. I didn't really I have makeup wipes. Do you want to take your

Shona Alanmakeup off on stream? >> No. No. >> Why not? >> Cuz I like my skin's super sensitive. I have to use certain cleansers. >> I have the best ones. >> I don't use makeup wipes. >> Okay. What do you use? I already showed three four different photos of me with eyebrows.

Shona Alan>> Can I Can I see the caterpillar? >> You don't have to show it on stream. >> You look Wait, hold on. >> My eyebrows were >> Your eyebrows are fine. >> No, they're insane. >> And this is without any like >> I have makeup on, but those are just my

Brian Atlasregular eyebrows. >> Your eyebrow. Wait, your eyebrows are totally fine. >> They're No, >> I think it looks good. >> No, >> you look fine both ways. You look fine both ways. >> Okay. Uh, we have more chats. Wobbles.

SPEAKER_02>> I believe women started upping their beauty standards for men. Yet the last 20 years especially, women are pushing for higher limits by competing with other women over time. You don't have to be puff. >> Wait, what?

Brian Atlas>> What? >> Okay. Possible. Uh, thank you for that, man. Appreciate it. Uh, oh, we were talking about beauty standards. Yeah, we can debate that. I'm going to let the chats come through, though. He says he believes women

Brian Atlasstarted upping their beauty standards for men 20 last 20 years especially >> for men key word for men >> competing uh hold on by the way pasty

Shona Alan>> women literally like they develop eating disorders trying to like have their body look a certain way to be attractive. >> Wait but hold on like this would also go in the in the direction for men too. Men also >> women develop eating disorders a lot more often.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, sure. I'll grant that. But I'm not talking about eating distorters. I'm saying men are I would argue like steroids are super harmful for men. Uh a

Brian Atlaslot of men take other forms of juice let's say and this is so that they can uh

Shona Alanhave a fit body and I think >> I also have like body >> I think standards and stuff >> steroids are probably probably more harmful >> than

Shona Alan>> I guess it depends how severe the anorexia is. Wait, what's this whole what's this whole thing about me saying the plural form of woman wrong? >> Are you doing that? >> Okay, the singular form is woman and the plural form is woman with an e, except I

SPEAKER_02say the words the same. >> Am I supposed to say them different? Cuz there was a lot of comments about this. >> I don't know. >> Felling fallopians donated $30. >> Be right back. >> This conversation is proof that the

SPEAKER_02female delusion begins at a young age. Men settle with looks. Women settle with subpar successful men. H interesting.

Shona AlanWait, he I think he liked he liked how I looked without makeup.

Shona AlanOkay, I say the word the singular word as woman and I say the plural word as woman. Women. Woman. Women. Women. Woman. I say them the same. That's the thing. Maybe it's just like a California

Shona Alanaccent. I don't know. But like I know they're different words. If I was writing them out, I'd write them out differently. But I say them similar.

Shona AlanI don't I don't believe in using like filters or anything like that.

Shona AlanWoman. Woman. I don't know. Maybe maybe I just speak weird.

Brian AtlasUm, is it leaking or not leaking, tripping?

Brian Atlas>> There we go. Uh, okay. We got more chats, guys. Guys, TTS is 30. >> Female delusion. >> Spelling for Lopeians donated $30. This

SPEAKER_02conversation is proof that the female delusion begins at a young age. Men settle with looks. Women settle with subpar successful men.

SPEAKER_02However, donated $30. How does the lady over there define average good-looking men? What if a slightly good-looking man approaches her with a Ferrari? Does that change anything? >> The Ferrari.

Shona Alan>> The Ferrari would not really make a difference to me. I would have to observe his character. >> By the way, felling Philippines, thanks. >> Well, can you tell us um what did you rate yourself? Oh, you didn't rate

Shona Alanyourself right on the show? >> I did, but I gave I did, but like >> it wasn't me rating myself. It was like, oh, I guess according to like conventional beauty standards and based on like other people, you know, but like

Shona Alanin terms of me rating, like are you asking me to like evaluate how good I think I look or evaluate it in the context of society, you know? >> Uh, both, I guess.

Shona Alan>> Okay. Well, I mean like personally, I wouldn't put a number on it. I just like I look the way I want to look. >> Uhhuh. >> Like if Okay. If you if you ask me like if you gave me a button, >> you can just speak into that one. >> Okay. Okay. Just >> if you gave me a button and if I press

Shona Alanthe button, I look like the most conventionally attractive girl and I'm found attractive by the most by the most men ever, I would not press the button. I would still choose to look the way I look because it feels like personal to me and like it feels like me, like I

Brian Atlaswant to be me, >> you know? >> So >> like individuality. What do you think is uh >> It would strip me of my individuality to look. >> Can you How about this? Can you tell us

Brian Atlastell us a guy who you think is uh like your looks equivalent? >> Oh. Um >> like maybe an actor celebrity. >> They're an actor. They're probably like >> they're probably what? >> Like super conventionally attractive

Shona Alannow. >> No, not necessarily. There's unattractive actors. >> I have no idea. I'm really bad at evaluating this kind of thing. You can do it though. Like I give you full permission.

Shona Alanyou. Okay. Um, hold on. I wanted to change the chat. >> Oh, but society, if I'm putting myself on a societal scale, I don't know.

Shona AlanProbably like the 6.57. >> Wait, scoot your chair over a teeny bit. >> Um, >> 67. >> You can't think of a guy, though? >> I'm not very well verssed in male actor.

Brian AtlasYou can do it. I don't I give you full permission. I won't be offended. >> I don't know. Um, I could maybe try to like >> Oh, they're saying I'm higher than a six or a seven, but last stream some people thought I was like a four.

Brian Atlas>> Well, yeah, but I mean people are going to just say [ __ ] Um, actor who you look like? >> Chat, does she have a male? >> Looks equivalent. Or you mean like >> looks equivalent? Yeah.

Shona Alan>> As attractive as I am as a male or like looks like me? >> I mean, wouldn't wouldn't that kind of be >> Well, they're not the same, right? Like are you saying a male actor who looks similar to me or who looks on the same level of attract in my league?

Brian Atlas>> I would argue somebody who looks similar to you would be your looks equivalent, but obviously it doesn't. Your looks equivalent wouldn't necessarily look like you. >> What are you on about? Do you mean someone someone in my league or like my

Brian Atlasdoppelganger? >> So somebody who is your looks equivalent doesn't necessarily look like you, but a male who looks like you would be your looks equivalent. Does

Brian Atlasthat make sense? Am I slow? >> Um, who's that guy >> finding me a doppelganger or like >> who's that guy who was in Silicon Valley?

Brian Atlas>> I've never watched that. >> The is No, that wouldn't be your looks equivalent. >> Like someone who would be in my league. You mean >> like Well, you're you're half white, half Indian. Is that correct?

Shona Alan>> That that's kind of a unique mix. And some people think I look Mexican, which I don't I don't know. I don't think that's true. >> Like Latina. Yeah, I get I guess I could see that. >> I get called Latino looking. >> You could also maybe pass for like part Filipino or something. >> Oh, really?

Brian Atlas>> Maybe. >> Uh, we'll do more chats, guys. We got more chats come through. Why did I move that over? >> Salma Hayek, who is that? Someone compare me to some woman. >> Oh, [ __ ] Uh, let's see. Oh, you asked me this

SPEAKER_02earlier. >> Silver donated $30. I messaged last Wednesday about how you engage mostly with a few women on the Sunday lives and gets sporing for your audience. This

SPEAKER_02past Sunday you were talking to chair one so much and we were annoyed. >> I mean I kind of did that when >> when >> you were on the show too, but

Shona AlanI mean the I'm trying to remember. Wait, do you put like the person in chair one who you think is going to be like the most controversial or like has the most to say?

Brian Atlas>> Uh, wait, hold on. Yo, Chamus, thank for the $10 super chat. Um, yeah, I tried to put whoever is in chair one. I'm like,

Brian Atlasthat's who I think is going to be the most uh who I'm going to probably talk to the most. >> You were right with me. >> Yeah. I mean, but I was surprised on the episode you were on.

Shona AlanLike, >> did you think I was going to be like how I was? >> Yeah. >> Oh, based on my messages I was sending you. >> Yeah, just off of the messages.

Brian Atlas>> Hey, girls. But like >> So, I thought uh I thought

Brian Atlas>> they weren't even they weren't even that friendly. I thought this girl and this girl were going to also be a lot more >> engaged in the conversation, but even at

Brian Atlaslike I do have a tendency to like narrow in conversationally on one person, but >> but it's also difficult. Like I know I

Brian Atlasget like that person who sent in the chat, I get flack, oh Brian, why are you only focusing on one person? It's like >> we tried. >> I willing try. Like there were moments during the stream where >> I was like, "So, what does the rest of

Brian Atlasthe panel think >> and this girl I we could probably >> I don't think I was trying to get it stuck on me either." Like I was trying to include them, too. >> Yeah. >> Even when I got there, I I was like very friendly to them and they were kind of quiet. >> I was like, "Hello."

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. Well, I mean, some people they're nervous. I'm trying to think. Uh, let me see. Anyone else? >> Anyone

Brian Atlaselse? No. What did I say? Uh, what do you guys I'm trying to find There was a There was

Brian Atlastwo or three moments during the stream where I was like, "What do you think? What about Kira?" >> No, Kira seemed like kind of smart. She was just quiet.

Shona AlanI think they were just nervous about like the audience and stuff.

Shona AlanThere was one or two moments during this stream where I tried to open it up to the panel. >> Oh yeah. Why were you blocking Danella the whole time? You were kind of >> Me too. I was trying to like lean in.

Brian AtlasThat was totally my bad. >> You were kind of giving her the like boxing her out a little bit. Wait. Right. >> I completely apologize. I only realized that in retrospect

Shona Alan>> because I would like kind of lean in and like and I was also trying to read the chat because I was nosy >> like hear a little bit. You'd kind of like >> I I I'm so sorry. I would personally apologize to her about that.

Shona Alan>> You'd be like, "Hey, so uh anyway, you know, you'd be trying to block her out and [ __ ] >> My my bad if rude. >> My bad. I did not I did not mean with any malicious intent. >> Um okay, we have some other chats coming

SPEAKER_02through. Someone said I'm the Indian Felicity. >> I don't think I don't think I look like her at all. >> Half Indian Felicity, I guess. >> I mean, I look Indian, though. So, >> black markers donated $30. She ended up

Brian Atlasskipping class. >> I don't have class today. He's my TA's in Cuba. >> Wait, question. Have you ever been to India? >> Yeah, I have few times. >> Yeah,

Shona Alan>> for weeks at a time. Yeah, it's >> not my not my favorite place to visit. >> Why is that? It's very crowded, very very humid, very hot, not always the

Shona Alancleanest. I get sick every time I go. >> You get what kind of sick? Like >> just like stomach like problems like >> like food poisoning. >> Not food poison. It's it's mostly from the water cuz I go there in the summer

Shona Alanand then like there's like bacteria in the water and stuff, but um there's like a lot of beautiful temples and my family's there. So >> it's worth it still. >> Worth. It's not somewhere I would go on

Brian Atlasa vacation. >> Oh, I like this >> black and white. >> Oh, yeah. You can't see. >> You can't see his his >> You can't see how red I am, guys. I pretty much have to put it here.

Shona Alan>> But Indian food is amazing. Have you tried Indian food? >> Well, you definitely tried it, right? >> I've tried it. I'm honestly not a fan. >> Well, there's no good Indian food here, so maybe that's why. >> Could be. Could be.

Brian Atlas>> There's only like one Indian spot in Ivy, and it's not good. >> Okay. Uh let's see. We have uh like

SPEAKER_02>> however donated $30. Thanks for the assertive answer like that. >> Wait, is he assertive answer? >> What does that mean? What answer?

Brian Atlas>> This question. The how do you define average good-looking? What if a good-looking man approaches you with a Ferrari? >> Oh, the Ferrari does not matter to me. >> Wait, did I pull this one up? I don't know. Uh, however, thank you, man.

SPEAKER_02>> In fact, if he's showing off the Ferrari a lot, like too much. >> George donated $30. I think that it is good that Brian engages with the most nutted guests with the most nutted

SPEAKER_02views, especially when their views are feminist, including covered feminism. Keep exposing the nitards. >> So, that mean that means they think I was the dumbest person on the panel I was on last night.

Brian Atlas>> No, I don't think so. >> I don't know. >> I don't think >> I don't think I'm that dumb. I'm like good at school enough. But >> yeah, I mean it's terms in terms of and it's not always chair one. Maybe it'll

Brian Atlasbe like chair two, chair three, chair four that I'm talking to a lot. But a lot of times guys, honestly, a lot of times, you know, there's only one or two or three people that are really prepared

Brian Atlasto contribute to the conversation on the panel. And it's like even if I'll do I do an open up to the panel, >> I don't know. >> It's crickets. They were very quiet.

Brian Atlas>> They just >> Yeah, they want to hold back or whatever. We have, by the way, pasty. >> This phone is so beautiful. It's so

Brian Atlasbeautiful. Cosmic orange. I'm I'm actually in love. I was looking at it yesterday just in awe how beautiful it is. I think uh you know, again though, my dainty hands. Dainty hands. I've got

Brian Atlaspiano hands. >> I'm hungry. I think we Can you scoot your chair a little bit? I'm bumping. >> Oh, wait. What the heck? >> What >> is that? >> Oh, it's probably from the popsicle.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Can you grab just a paper towel from back here and >> maybe just a bit of water and we'll clean it up? >> Just uh What was I saying? Oh, I need an iPhone air. My hands are too weak. I got

Brian Atlasthese weak man hands. I would >> I need I need like iPhone air so I can I have a a lightweight phone that's not going to give me carpal tunnel tunnel syndrome you know. Thank you pasty

SPEAKER_02though. You're a [ __ ] legend guys. He's a legend. He's a freaking legend. >> Black market. Thank youra donated $30. >> Thank you man.

Shona Alan>> Also Brian you're a beast. >> Someone said Shona Atlas. That's crazy. >> That actually that actually sounds kind of like my last name already. My last name is Alan. SA. >> Nice. >> Oh, that's Those are crazy initials. SA.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Yikes. Uh, see how much? Okay. Uh, okay. What were we going to get into? We're going to get into the Wait, we're talking about like looks and stuff. We didn't really finish on that.

Brian Atlas>> I'll literally pay for my own food. I'm just hungry. I want pizza. >> Maybe I should have her pay for me. I think you should pay for my food. Um, maybe we'll order something, but uh,

Brian Atlaslet's see. We're going to dive into looks, racism, and Charlie Kirk stuff. So, okay, we'll finish off on the looks conversation. So,

Shona Alan>> am I south Indian or north Indian? My my mom is from Mumbai. Sorry, my bad. That person asked that like a few times, so I wanted to answer. >> Brixen starving his guests again. She brought Pop-Tarts and there's a banana, so

Brian Atlas>> I want food though. >> It's okay. I won't be annoying about it. Um, what was I going to say? Okay, so you think when it comes to beauty

Shona Alanstandards, women have it harder as compared to men? >> Overall, yeah, I think there are more beauty standards for women than men. And

Brian AtlasI think men are more critical of women's looks. >> Okay. Well, there's two different points there. So, you say overall women there's there's more beauty standards for women. the beauty standards are more difficult

Brian Atlasfor women and men are more critical of women's looks. Let's let's start with the critical of looks things. I actually think women are I mean when we're talking about critical,

Brian Atlaswe can approach this from like somebody you have a genuine romantic interest in and like you're making an assessment of their physical attractiveness or we can

Brian Atlasjust be like men just call women fat for fun. Um, I would argue that there's maybe there's not a study, but I would

Brian Atlasthink it's actually the case that when it comes to just not romantic assessment, but criticism, I think women are actually more critical

Brian Atlasof men's appearance than the reverse. I think women will judge men off of uh, you know, their hair, all kinds of different things. The most common insult you you'll hear is a guy's balding.

Shona AlanThey'll often bring up like penis size. He has a small penis. By the way, he asking about the average boob size and ass size and waist size and face and all of the above. It's >> Yeah, but women will do all that too

Brian Atlaswith all kinds of different things about men's physical appearance. But yeah, women will shame men all the time. Women shame men for penis. Women will shame

Brian Atlasmen for for balding. What's the other go-to? I don't know. Um, short. Oh, height. And you know what's diff really interesting though is that

Brian Atlasmost of the things women will shame men about men can't really change that. Like if you're a guy and you're balding unless you you know >> hair growth >> there's intervention but if we're just talking about natural >> hairline reduction

Brian Atlas>> but if we're just talking about natural procedures but like yeah men can get u you know >> what if you're like flat chest as a girl you can't >> Yeah that's true. You can't really

Brian Atlaschange that. But hair, height, balding, the the three, honestly. Or wait, no, no, sorry. Hair, height, penis size. Men

Brian Atlascan't control any of those. And those are the things that women will shame men on. And those are also the things that when it comes

Brian Atlasto physical looks that women care, they care a lot about. So I don't know like for example the I would say the biggest thing men will shame women on is weight

Brian Atlas>> really. >> Yeah. So I think women the big >> like men call women chopped all the time. >> Shame. How about the thing that let's look at it like this in terms of the the

Brian Atlaslooks thing that the stated preference that people care the most about? >> Who is Leila Jenner? I would say >> Oh, Ila. I Are they saying you look like her?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Uh, a little bit. >> Who is that? >> She's been on the show before. I'm not Don't worry about it. Focus. Focus on the combo.

Brian AtlasUh, I would say women care about height and men care about weight >> and men care about like assents.

Brian Atlas>> No, what I'm saying is like if the the two big things, right? So, Well, they also care about how like a woman's >> No, I know women care. Yeah, but women care about >> all kinds of other things. Men care

Brian Atlasabout all other things. But to for the simplicity of the conversation, the biggest things maybe there's some things that are big or whatever. The two biggest things that women care about or the biggest things that men care about,

Brian Atlaswomen care about, men care about weight, women care about height. >> I don't know if that's necessar I mean, height for men, sure. I don't know if weight I don't know if that's always true. >> Well, there seems to be some

Brian Atlasvariability. >> I think like facially >> I think women have a bit more variability with men's weight. Like the dad botch hit. I think women still obviously have strong preference towards like healthy muscular builds than men.

Brian AtlasAnd when I say muscular, I don't mean like super roided out bodybuilder types. But like yeah

Brian Atlasthe difference between those two things though height men can't change their height and that's a major major uh >> height is very strict >> that's a bottleneck for for most women whereas weight

Shona Alan>> I think I think the standards when it comes to a man's height should be a lot less strict like a 5'2 girl saying like oh he should he needs to be 6 foot and

Brian Atlasabove I think that's a little extreme. I think that's silly. I mean, everyone you can't control who you're attracted to, but >> Well, you know what's funny is short

Brian Atlaswomen actually have a stronger preference for tall men than like taller or average height women. >> Seriously? >> Generally. Yeah. So, like average female heights 5'4. How tall are you?

Brian Atlas>> Almost 5'5. >> Five. So it's like, you know, a girl who's like even you go like 5' 6, 5' 7,

Brian Atlas5'8, these girls tend to be tend to be more willing to date average height. They're they're more willing to say, I'll date a guy who's, you know, if he's taller than me, cool.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> But then you have the like five foot girls, the 411 girls, >> and they're gonna say, >> "Oh, like Shaquille O'Neal and and his wife." >> Yeah. That's that's just too much because it's like

Shona Alan>> but they're like I need I need six foot >> the five the five foot 411 >> they say they say six feet. >> I think that's silly. I mean there's like obviously there's there's there's

Shona Alangoing to be some standards when it comes to height. Like a a girl probably wants a taller guy. >> Sure. >> But a whole like foot and a half difference or like whatever. >> It's just too much. It's just too much.

Shona AlanLike why do you why do you want like a giant like just towering over you? >> The women. >> Yeah. >> I mean it's biological >> but like to that to that extreme. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> I would date a guy who's at least 5'7. 2 in taller is reasonable. >> Well, I think they they also do they're also thinking like [ __ ] me genetically I'm short. I don't want to have short

Brian Atlaskids. So they're the short girls are thinking okay I'm gonna compensate. I mean, it could be even subconsciously. Um, but they're like, I'm going to compensate. So,

Brian Atlas>> I don't know if that's the sub. >> I need to date like a six 63 guy. I think it's there's something to it. I think there's something to it. Hold on. Let's see if there's any chats. >> I'm putting on my deception.

SPEAKER_02>> Do it. Blist donated $30. Is this a new format to break things up and keep it fresh? I like it. Keep winning, Brixen. The value

SPEAKER_02of the content you create goes beyond the capabilities of mere immortals. Keep up the godly work.

Brian Atlas>> Yo, thank you, man. Um, hold on. Do I do an outline? Wait. Sorry. I'm just playing around with some text here on the

Shona AlanWhat? Wait, what am I doing? a 5'4 guy. That's a little short. That's shorter than me >> personally. No, I'm not a 5'4 guy,

Shona Alan>> but like a 5'4 guy maybe could find like a a 5 foot girl. There's one out there who would be interested in that. >> That's weird. I don't know why this isn't working. I'm going to answer the question in just a sec. I

Shona Alan>> entitlement. Whoa. >> Let's just get rid of this. >> I'm sure you have your preferences when it comes to women, too. Whoever said that,

Brian Atlas>> I mean, I've been doing this is episode four of whatever Wednesday. So, >> god. Um, >> not this again. >> Woman and woman. Sorry, what were you

Brian Atlassaying? >> Uh, the value of content. Yeah, it's a new format. And, by the way, guys, it's it's this is early episodes, so I'm just playing around right now. I'd probably do more reacts

Brian Atlasand stuff. I don't know if just what we're doing now, like just the chat Q&A stuff is all that interesting for the majority of viewers. And it's definitely like not something we could ever clip. Whereas,

Brian Atlasum, if we were doing reacts, that could actually be content like made into clips for people to a little more easily to digest. But thank you, Blafest. >> Dimma donated $30.

SPEAKER_02>> Thank you, Dimma. Jonah, listen to this. Woman and women once again. Woman and women. >> Women. >> Do you hear a difference? >> Woman. Women.

Shona Alan>> Oh, women. Like women. Oh, >> women. Woman singular. Women plural. >> Oh, women. >> Women plural. >> I say women >> for plural or singular? >> Both.

Brian Atlas>> How do you say it? >> I say women for both. Women. Women. >> Woman. Women. >> Women. Women. Like with an I. >> Women. Women plural woman >> woman >> singular

Shona Alan>> woman women I'll say I'll say it more accurately then I never even realized I was doing that wrong. I would definitely write the words differently so I don't just like suck at >> grammar. >> The other thing we were going to do is

Brian Atlasthe the racisms. Oh no no we didn't really finish on the looks convo. >> Okay. >> Oh you never even found my male equivalent. >> Yeah. Whatever. >> Wait. What am I? What am I societyally?

Brian Atlas>> What do you mean >> like out of 10? >> What do you What What do I think? >> I don't make it a habit to rate the women to be honest. >> So, that's not a habit if I'm asking

Brian Atlasyou. >> Yeah, I know. I don't plan I don't like to rate I don't Maybe a little bit. >> No, I won't. Even if you call me a two, I won't I won't get >> Oh, no. I' I'd have to give you a no make you'd have to take your makeup off.

Brian Atlas>> I already showed you photos. Yeah, I need I need in person no makeup. >> Okay. >> Yeah, if you take your makeup off, I'll rate you cuz there's the makeup rating. >> I showed him three different photos of

Shona Alanme without it. >> Like for examp >> different lighting, different settings. >> Like, who is this [ __ ] idiot? >> Hello. >> Yeah, don't worry about that. >> Is this why you get no sleep? Damn.

Shona AlanUm, hold on. Like, look, she's she's still attractive here. She's she's good-looking. >> Um, >> she wears a lot heavier makeup than

Brian Atlasshe's wearing like false lashes. I don't even wear these are my real lashes just with mascara. >> Um, like good-looking girl. Ah, but she's got filter and the before

Brian Atlasshe has fake contacts. She's got fake the fake contacts in. So, I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> But it's definitely a difference. Um, like here, like I want to say this is a

Brian Atlaslike five to 6.57. >> Okay. I mean, I already showed you photos of me without it and

Shona Alan>> Yeah, it's okay. I don't I don't need to get your rating. Um, wait, what is this?

Brian AtlasOkay. Hello. [Music] >> I mean, she's changed her eye color. This is >> makeup. >> Can I ask you? Okay. Here's her face. And I know she's wearing like the hijab or whatever.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> So, you can't like see every like full >> Well, you can't see like her hairline or whatever. >> Yeah. You can't I mean hair framing definitely. But like is this deceptive? I wouldn't say it's deceptive.

Shona Alan>> Her eyes >> she's not saying she's not she's not like lying and saying my eyes are actually blue. >> Well, >> she's just dressing up. She's just glammed and doled up. Good for her. >> And you know what's interesting actually? Those contacts those contacts

Brian Atlasare pretty fun with makeup. >> Those contacts are pretty convincing. Like if I didn't know what she looked like beforehand, I would be uh I don't know.

Shona Alan>> Okay. I mean, I think all this is telling me is that you like a natural girl. >> No, I mean, I don't >> Dates over.

Brian Atlas>> It's not a 100% a deal breaker, but yeah, natural is better, I guess. Like anything that will Oops. Hold on. I'm going to >> makeup should be illegal. Whoa, whoa, whoa. >> Oh, yes. Criminalize felony. Straight to jail.

Brian Atlas>> Straight to jail. >> Straight to jail. I mean, I think any makeup, if you're kissing the girl and it rubs off on you, >> that's an L.

Brian Atlas>> My setting spray is pretty good. >> That's a no. I don't want I I don't want it [ __ ] rubbing off on me on my pillow. >> Hold on. See that?

Brian Atlas>> Well, yeah, but like what if you do like use some actual friction, some actual tension? Or wait, what's the right word? >> Okay. When you if you like kiss a girl, is she like frictioning on a shirt? Like what?

Brian AtlasI mean, I've not kissed many guys, so I don't know, but like I don't know if that's how it works. >> Yes, setting spray, guys. >> I mean, I've definitely kissed girls and

Brian Atlaslike the makeup is on my cheeks or, you know, I don't know. Um, >> okay. But okay, what we were talking about looks and the unfair beauty

Shona Alanstandards. >> So unfair. >> I mean, I don't think I think overall looks shouldn't be the most important thing when it comes to dating anyway.

Shona AlanShould be your character, your values, personality. Like I'm so lenient when it comes to looks. Trying to find something on Twitter, but

Brian AtlasI don't know if I'll find it. Hold on.

Brian AtlasUh, one sec. Cool guy. >> What is he? >> Don't Don't worry about it. >> Okay, >> just ignore it.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, I can't find it. I'm trying to find this on Twitter, but >> Whoops. What the heck? Sorry, one sec, guys. I'm just trying to get something

Brian Atlaspulled up, but it's not pulling up. RIP. Uh, skip this version. Uh, where is it? Where's Pasty George? Where is it? Where

SPEAKER_02is this guy? Pasty George, do you like your little new thing? >> Oh, no. He's actually thinking about it. >> Pasty George donated $30. >> He's contemplating.

SPEAKER_02>> How badly do you want that Apple iPhone air? I'll buy it for you under one condition and if that condition is met on this stream then that iPhone is yours. >> Um, make your proposal. I'll hear you

SPEAKER_02out. I can't without hearing it. I can't guarantee it, but make the proposal. Make the proposal and I'll think about it. Thank you. >> CW donated $30. Hey Brian Tavius, just

SPEAKER_02keeping up my stream. >> Thank you so much, man. Appreciate it. >> Always will dono on streams without panels. I'm here for your handsome face and nothing else. Lol. Blazed as hell

Brian Atlasplaying D2. >> Diablo. Di Diablo. Diablo. Diablo 2. That's old school, man. I used to play that when I was super young. Stone of

Brian AtlasJordan. Hot. Wait, what was it? Sog's. And people would like dupe that [ __ ] I feel like I played super early on like where there were hackers and people were duping

Brian AtlasStone of Jordans and all this [ __ ] Is that what they're called? Stone of Jordans? >> Blaze donated $30. Brian, if she takes the makeup off on camera, I will send

Shona Alan$500. >> Will you do it for five? Well, >> I'm probably going to have plans like later tonight anyway >> on a Wednesday. What do you got? >> My friends, not like going out partying,

Shona Alanbut just like might go over go might go over to one of my girlfriend's dorms. >> So, >> the camera. >> Sorry, I already showed photo. I showed him multiple photos of me without makeup. Live photos, unedited, different

Shona Alanlighting. >> Do your plans without makeup? Why Why would you need to? >> I don't feel like taking off my makeup. Also, when I when I take off my makeup, I have to I double cleanse, oil cleanser, foaming cleanser. I have to

Shona Alanuse dermatologist prescribed products, moisturizer. I got to do it properly, not makeup. >> How long does it take you to do your makeup from from bare face? >> 25 minutes.

Shona Alan>> 25 minutes. Okay. How long does it take to uh >> like clean it up or take it off? I guess. >> I mean, I don't rush my skincare routine. So, like 10 minutes. 5 to 10 minutes. >> Five minutes if I'm like actually like

Brian Atlasgoing. >> Can you list every single product that you to put them on? >> Brand too or no? I'm just product. >> Just the product. Yeah, that's fine. >> Um like foundation, concealer,

Shona Alanand then if you're using those, you have to like set it with like some sort of powder product. What's that? What's that called? Just >> like setting powder. >> Setting powder. Okay. >> Um eyeliner, mascara,

Brian Atlas>> contour, blush, highlighter. >> So, is that >> lip liner, lip gloss, setting spray? >> That's 11 things. >> Question. How much um I don't know if you'd break it down by month or by year.

Shona AlanHow much would you say you spend on makeup in a year? I guess >> at least a thousand. >> A thousand. I have like the highest tier um sub like status at on the Sephora >> status

Shona Alan>> like at Sephora you can get like Rouge which is like you spend a thousand a year >> you get like a membership card or something >> not like a card but like you get like free shipping

Shona Alan>> no I I also a year >> to be fair I buy like expensive makeup products like there's like cheaper ones you can get like the drugstore and I buy like the bougie stuff >> if I have a daughter.

Brian AtlasShe look when she's 18, she can do whatever the [ __ ] she wants. But when I have a kid, I guess if she gets a job or something when she was like 16 or

Brian Atlassomething, whatever. I'm never paying for my daughter to get makeup. >> Her mom might. >> Nope. >> No. I'm mostly 18, by the way. >> Huh? >> I'm 18.

Brian Atlas>> No, I'm talking like if I have a daughter and she's like 13, 14, 15. That's a little That's a little young to be wearing the amount I'm wearing. I wouldn't say a 13, 14y old to do like full. >> Were you wearing this much when you were

Shona Alanlike 16, 17, 18? Like >> I started wearing this much when I was this much like when I was 17 and I I started to like get a little bit of my own money. I would I would get like a $100 a month and I'd choose to spend

Brian Atlasthat how I want, >> right? You'd get a >> an allowance >> an allowance from your parents. >> So you could have spent you could have bought Dogecoin. You could have bought Bitcoin. I mean, I buy like food to go out with my friends. >> You could have put it in crypto.

Shona Alan>> I don't spend all of my allowance on. >> I bought some Nvidia stock, but instead >> I would spend a certain proportion. >> You bought paint to put on your face. >> I mean, I didn't spend all my allowance

Shona Alanon makeup. Again, like one product lasts you multiple months, but I I did spend some of it. I like makeup, clothes, food. >> Yeah, you spend it on other stuff, too. But >> what else does a teenage girl need to

Shona Alanspend her money on? I have like inheritance money that I put into like stocks and stuff. So, I I do think long term as well. Oh, >> that's good. I just know for if I have a daughter, no, no makeup.

Brian Atlas>> No makeup. >> Oh, good job, Brian. >> If if you were dating a guy, no, you were married to a guy and you have kids. You want kids, right? >> Of course. >> Okay. You have a daughter and he puts

Brian Atlashis he he says, "Hey, look, she can do what she wants when she's 18, right?" Uh, >> she can wear makeup before she's 18. >> But no, but he says, your husband says, "Look, I don't want her to to wear

Brian Atlasmakeup." Would you fight him on that? >> Yeah, sure. I'd be like, "What's the big deal if she's like I mean, if she wanted to wear like a full like face at like 12 or 13, >> what what's actually from your

Shona Alanperspective, what would actually be wrong with that? Why not?" >> I think I think um makeup can affect your self-image a little bit. That's even something I dealt with in the past that I don't deal with anymore really because I mean I'd say I'm in a good

Shona Alanplace. But like that can affect your self-image and like the way you look at yourself and you can start to like become like overly critical and scrutinizing of your looks and I think that can be unhealthy at like that kind of age like 12, 13, 14. I think

Brian Atlas>> isn't it unhealthy at any age? >> Not necessarily. >> You think what what was the term you use? Just scrutinizing your looks like having a bad self-image. It's only bad.

Shona Alan>> Makeup can affect your self-image and you're more prone to that if you're young, like in middle school. That's like peak identity formation, vulnerable. >> I don't know if you are though. >> Bouts of insecurity.

Brian Atlas>> I would actually argue that you're more prone as you get older >> because like when you're 12 and 13, I guess people have little school crushes

Brian Atlasand stuff like >> middle school is like the period of time that is very like critical to like your identity formation. >> Yeah. But I think there as you get older

Brian Atlasthere becomes this other layer. Like I I understand you can be I understand you can be self-conscious at 11, 12, 13 about your appearance, but I feel like that's more like a

Brian Atlasgeneralized thing. But once you introduce the romantic angle where it's like I'm not just I'm trying to look good for this other reason too which is like to appeal to

Shona Alanuh men or I guess if you're like bisexual or le everybody or just women. >> That's not self- image though as much. But also I would also say like when you're 12 and you're 13 like that you're still like a child. You're still like a kid and you should kind of

Shona Alan>> what >> there's a bug that flying around us. you should kind of dress in appear your age when you're that young. Like 12 and 13. Like that's fresh out of elementary school. >> I don't know. So, okay. If we were if we were married, we had a daughter. I was

Brian Atlaslike, "Look, we're not going to we're not we're not going to pay for makeup. She can she can pay for that for herself." I don't think makeup is a an essential

Shona Alanitem for women. >> Sure. It's not essential. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. But you said you'd >> if she asked for like mascara for Christmas, I would get it for her. It's not a big deal. It's not that deep.

Shona AlanIf in middle school it's like there's like middle school girls who like start like wearing lip gloss and like mascara. Like that's not a big deal. They're not completely like changing that much. It's just like fun. It's like girlhood. Like

Brian Atlasputting on a bit of makeup and like getting ready is like it's just like girlhood, you know? >> Why fun? >> Why does that have to be >> It's fun. It's fun to look good. It feels good to look good. >> Women look good without makeup, though. Why? This is This is like put effort

Brian Atlasinto how you look, to be like a little high maintenance, to be a little glamorous. It's fun. It's not all about deception. >> But I I think that you can, you know,

Brian Atlasyou can make sure your hair is neat and combed or whatever, and you can, you know, still be presentable, but not wear makeup. And this societ

Shona Alansociety has sold you that women necessarily are lacking in something. >> They're not. Women are not Women are beautiful without makeup. They don't need makeup at all. >> Well, I agree. So, don't wear makeup then. >> But it's a ch it's like I I like the way

Shona Alanit looks on me, though. So, I want >> Well, yeah, we I get that makeup >> I'm not wearing it cuz I think I need to. I'm wearing it cuz it's it's fun to put it on and it looks good. >> Well, I get that makeup enhances

Brian Atlassomebody's looks. That's the That's the incentive. That's the motive for wanting to put on makeup is to enhance your appearance. If makeup made people look

Brian Atlasworse, then I mean, well, from my perspective, sometimes it does. And some people put on like makeup to make themselves look weird, but like the normal

Brian Atlasuh procedure of wearing makeup, women wouldn't wear it and buy it if it didn't improve their appearance in some way. I don't know.

Shona AlanWould you just sneak our daughter? like don't tell dad here's here's 20 bucks go buy some >> I mean at a certain age wouldn't you like when she's like a teenager wouldn't you give

Brian Atlas>> um our daughter a certain allowance anyway >> what does she need what do you need >> like when you're a teenager you start getting a bit of an allowance that's normal >> yeah but there would even if I were to

Shona Alanbe fine with an allowance although I feel like most things I could buy but look I don't know here's 20 bucks in case you need anything >> 20 bucks oh you're stingy I'm I want to spoil my children a little bit. They're still going to like not take money for granted, but they >> you shouldn't spoil your kids.

Shona Alan>> Okay, spoiling your kids. >> Even if you're rich. Even if you're rich, you shouldn't spoil them. >> They're going to understand the value of hard work and the value like that money does not not money doesn't grow in trees, all of that. But like I want to treat my kids well one day.

Brian Atlas>> Like I will give them nice things. >> I'll provide for everything that my children need and they'll have a comfortable life. But I don't want them to have this thought in their head that they're that I'm rich. Even if I like

Shona Alaneven if I'm rich, they can't think that we're rich. Like they just that can't even be a thought process in their mind. >> Oh, I mean maybe I just grew up kind of

Brian Atlaswell off. >> How big do you like big house or what are we talking here? >> Vacations. >> I mean I I >> How do you have siblings? >> Yeah, two siblings. >> Brother,

Brian Atlas>> two sisters, a middle child. >> Ah, yeah. Typical. What? What does that mean? >> You seem like a middle child. >> What does that mean? >> Malcolm in the middle. I don't know. Figure it out. Uh, wait. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> No, I did I did grow up kind of privileged. So, maybe I'm speaking from that POV. >> Uh, when you say, let's put it into perspective, though. So, when you say you grew up privileged, >> uh, like when you when did you get your

Brian Atlasdriver's license? >> I had to get my passport renewed, so I got it at like 17. And when you did like were you gifted a car or anything like that?

Brian Atlas>> Uh well my family already had two cars so I just started driving okay >> one of them around and then they got a third car. >> So >> do you have your own car? >> Not my own car. No. >> But so when you say you grew up

Brian Atlasprivileged like how how I guess >> what does that mean? >> Like my parents my my dad's rich. >> How much does he make >> like in the like last year? >> Well, okay. Okay. When you say

Shona Alan>> Well, it depends on the year because like dividends and stuff like that. >> What does he do for work? >> Um, he's like the >> Don't say the company, but just >> technical director of an energy company. >> Technical director. >> So, he's in charge of like all the operations and stuff like right under

Shona Alanthis >> like he's an executive >> pretty much. Or but like he he's kind of finished off with that job. So now he's doing more like consulting stuff for energy company. >> Is it was it for like a fund? >> Was it a publicly traded company that he

Shona Alan>> It was public publicly traded. >> Okay. like there was like articles about it or something. >> How much would he make in a year? Do you know? >> Again, it would depend on the year, but like he got like a payout last year of like multiple million.

Shona Alan>> Okay. He's Yeah, you guys agree, Rich. Um uh >> he'll get mad at me if he's he doesn't know that. >> Well, when you say payout, like he uh like he got >> like 8 million >> severance

Shona Alanlike a severance package or what are we talking about? >> Like they sold the company. So since he's high up, he got like a big cut of that and then like previous years he would get like >> dividends of like 1 to 2 million.

Shona Alan>> So yearly for long periods of time he would be making seven figures. >> Well, I'd say for like three years in a row, seven figures, but before that six in >> high six >> high mid >> mid six. >> Sure. Yeah.

Shona Alan>> Oh, that's pretty. >> This was pretty standard for like the school I went to, the area I grew up in. >> Were you go to private school? >> Yeah. >> Okay. My tuition for my private school was higher than my college tuition. It was like it was like 60k a year. My high school. >> Were you in private school throughout your whole life?

Shona Alan>> Yeah. >> Like elementary school, >> junior high school, >> preschool, elementary school, all of it. Middle school. >> Was it all one school? >> Well, no. My elementary I went to school in South Africa until I was seven. That was private. Okay.

Shona Alan>> Um moved here more private elementary school. Then my middle school and high school is the same. >> Like it was a middle and high school and it was private.

Brian AtlasSo all private. How much was your private school? You said >> my high school >> you middle school? >> Sure. >> 60k a year. >> 60,000 a year for high school private school.

Brian Atlas>> It was like a college prep. Like >> 60 That's Isn't that like in one year? That's how much you'll probably spend for UCSB? 60. >> Oh, my tuition here from for instate is like 40k

Shona Alan>> total >> per year. 40k per year. >> 35 to 40k instate at UCSB. >> Not for the whole four years. It's 40k per year. Wait, so >> 30 35 to 40k per year at UCSB. So multiply that by four is what you

Brian Atlas>> So 160,000 >> approximately. Yeah. >> Damn. >> No, my high school is expensive. >> University is expensive. >> Should I shut out my high school? No. >> No, don't do that. >> It's in the Bay Area. >> That's >> That's all I'll say.

Shona Alan>> Huh. Interesting. >> It's a great high school, actually. I mean, it's like any any high school. >> What about your mom? You said your mom work too, right? >> Yeah, she she has like a a small business, but it's not

Shona Alan>> being all secretive about it. >> Well, she's like she's like a a woman's wear brand owner. >> Oh, okay. >> And she just didn't bring the bread home as much, you know. She still she works she works very hard. She works very hard.

Brian Atlas>> Did your did your dad like help finance her business? >> Yeah. >> You know, I see this a lot with like really wealthy people. The small business is like wife. Yeah, >> the the wife's bored. I need her

Brian Atlasdistracted. >> All right. Here, babe. Here's >> No, she she's been doing this. >> Here's a mill. >> She went to school for fashion. >> Here's a mill. I don't care if your business loses money. Just have fun. Is that kind of how it was?

Shona Alan>> Well, he's more reasonable. I saw someone write my school. That's crazy. >> Oh boy. >> Oh, guys. >> You got to be careful with what you say on stream. >> Okay, whatever. I don't I don't really care. I just had a deja vu.

Brian Atlas>> My problem. Whoa. What? I just got a crazy deja vu. >> I don't know. >> You know what that means? Déja vu. >> What does it mean? >> It means like someone's getting off to you. >> I heard that's what my friend said once. >> What?

Shona Alan>> It's like if you get deja vu, someone's getting off to you. Anyways, doesn't matter. Uh what was I saying? She went to school for fashion and he's reasonable and he doesn't just like give her money and tell her to do her own

Shona Alanthing. She she wants to do it. >> When they were dating, what what was she doing for work? Do you know? when they first met. >> Yeah. When they met. >> Oh, she she was working like more of like an administrative kind of role at

Shona Alanan energy company in India. >> Did he work for >> Yeah, he he >> or she worked for him, I guess. I don't know. >> Not for him, but like in the same company and they came across each other. >> So, she was a secretary. >> I don't know exactly what her role was,

Shona Alanbut Oh my god, people are actually finding my chill, chill, chill. >> You got to be careful, man. Uh >> wait, it's not it's whatever.

Brian AtlasI just said private school. >> GG. I'm not sure who that is. Uh, >> Destiny 2. Oh,

SPEAKER_02>> CW donated $30. Destiny 2, not Diablo 2. I'm 21, not 41. Love you, Unk. Stay safe out there. >> Uh, CW, thank you.

Brian Atlas>> They called you. That's crazy. >> Are you going to take that? >> What does that mean? >> Unk. It means like you're a little old. >> Unk. >> Yeah, >> like uncle. >> Yeah. Uh, you not heard that term before? >> I've heard it. I've heard it, but I

Brian Atlasdon't speak Zoomer. Um, >> Zoomer. >> Oh, I thought it was Diablo 2. D2. Destiny 2. Oh my,

Brian Atlas>> bro. The only D2 I know is Diablo. Is it Diablo? Diablo? I don't know. Uh, this send it through Streamlabs, guys, because we can't pull up. Somebody sent a super chat. >> Women think they're so independent.

Shona Alan>> Um, hey, you donated 30 through super chat. Can you read this one? Okay, I'll read it. I'm a therapist and read people well. This girl is a bit dangerous. >> No, no, this one. This one. >> Oh, okay. Women think they're so independent, but they've really been

Shona Alanprogrammed by propaganda and manipulative marketing that creates poor self-im images and low self-esteem. It's const continuously fueled by other women, and the cycle continues. I don't think it's only fueled by other women.

Shona AlanIt's certainly fueled by a buttload of men, too. And like to say like, oh, women think they're so independent. Whether or not someone's independent does not like depend on if they're a woman or a man. Like a woman can totally

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