Rachel Wilson vs. Feminists! She Is A 10! Better Looking In 20 Years? LDS Dating? | Dating Talk #164

Date: 2024-05-27

Duration: 6h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MManah (DT164)>

EEbony Jan (DT164)>

DDanielle (DT164)>

MMingu (DT164)>

MMadison (DT164)>

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Anza(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ebony Jan(guest)

SPEAKER_06Manah/Madison (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Mingu(guest)

SPEAKER_13Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_14Danielle(guest)

Key Moments

OtherAnza performs opera live: Queen of the Night from The Magic Flute, then The Fifth Element aria. Brian gives it an A-minus despite no warm-up. First time opera has been performed live on the show per Brian.

“let's hear let's wait God what did I say uh the the hold on hold what's it called it's uh the the Queen the night ARA”

OtherManah discloses multiple abortions from her situationship relationships. Said matter-of-factly during relationship status round.

“I've had a couple abortions because of like it was yeah just a lot of stuff”

TopicRachel Wilson asks panel about plastic surgery culture; launches major discussion about cosmetic procedures, social media pressure, and BBL dangers.

“what do you guys think about all the plastic surgery that ladies are getting these days”

OtherManah discloses she was sexually assaulted as a child and in high school, explaining her preference for bear over man in the man vs. bear question.

“I was assault away as a kid and a lot of a couple of my first experiences in like sexually was also that like in high school so I just feel like I'd rather be maul”

OtherManah lists all cosmetic procedures she plans to get: lips, breast augmentation, hip fillers, BBL, lipo, Botox.

“um my boobs um fake boobs I want to get hip fillers hip fillers what else BBL lipo I would definitely get BOTOX”

OtherRachel Wilson admits she had her teeth done (veneers/crowns) after 5.5 years of braces left permanent staining. Distinguishes cosmetic from enhancement procedure.

“I did get my top teeth done as well I forgot to say that”

OtherMadison reveals her aunt died from BBL complications, leaving behind two young children including a newborn.

“my aunt died you got this m my inside from getting a BBL um she just didn't wake up from the anesthesia”

QuoteRachel Wilson says she would 'do backflips' for Andrew Wilson if he asked. States Andrew gets whatever Andrew wants.

“would you B Andrew I would do backflips I would whatever Andrew wants”

QuoteChat donation from Selena calls Madison 'a 10' (likely the origin of the episode title 'She Is A 10!'). Brian confirms and announces Madison will start streaming on Twitch.

“also Maddie is a 10 thank you Selena”

OtherDanielle tells revenge story from age 17: filled ex's underwear with peanut butter and rubbed it on his brand new motorcycle. Husband drove her to do it.

“I filled his underwear with peanut butter and I rubbed it over his brand new motorcycle”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves with name, age, location, occupation. Manah reveals two concurrent situationships with fighting men on day of show. Danielle reveals LDS faith and marriage. Mingu reveals married/half-Taiwanese. Anza performs opera live (Queen of the Night / Fifth Element aria).

Feminism debate: definition and personal identification

Rachel Wilson and Brian debate what feminism actually means. Guests initially call themselves feminist, then retreat after probing questions. Rachel defines feminism as women's advocacy movement with male bigotry; not an equality movement.

Women in the military / selective service / draft

Should women be subject to Selective Service draft? Most guests say no. Rachel argues force and defense has always been male domain. Discussion of Special Forces women failing standards, lowered physical requirements.

Women's happiness decline under feminism (Paradox of Female Happiness)

Rachel cites survey data from 1970s-2000s showing women declining in happiness in societies with most equality. Links to rise in alcoholism, depression, anxiety. Attributes to feminism creating impossible expectations.

Greater male variability hypothesis

Brian presents greater male variability chart: more men at extremes (high and low IQ); women cluster around mean. Discussion of why women rarely reach apex of competitive fields (CEOs, generals, presidents) despite 100 years of equality.

Man vs. Bear debate

Would you rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the woods? Most guests choose man. Manah reveals she was assaulted as a child, explains choosing bear as emotional rather than statistical reasoning. Rachel presents data on low statistical risk from married husband vs. cohabiting partner.

Smashing the patriarchy / what is the patriarchy

Do guests want to smash the patriarchy? Mixed responses. Rachel explains patriarchy as feminist conspiracy theory; argues feminism destroyed male hierarchy leading to beta/gamma males using manipulation instead of being kept in line.

Plastic surgery debate

Rachel asks panel about plastic surgery culture. Manah says she wants lips, BBL, lipo, hip fillers, Botox. Madison shares that her aunt died from BBL complications (left two young children). Brian declares himself a natural body supremacist. Rachel says she has never seen a BBL that looked better. Ebony Jan has had lip filler.

Arguing in relationships / Rachel Wilson and Andrew dynamic

Do couples benefit from arguing? Rachel shares story of throwing remote at Andrew early in relationship; he threatened to leave permanently. She unlearned conflict behavior over time by observing his emotional stability. Mingu shares similar experience.

Bowing to men as respect

Brian plays bow video and asks if guests would bow to a man as a sign of respect. Mingu says bowing is part of her Taiwanese culture; would bow to husband. Danielle says if her husband wanted it she would do it. Manah has stipulations. Anza wants reciprocal respect. Rachel says she would do backflips for Andrew. Brian argues girls who won't bow but want man to take a bullet for them are inconsistent.

OnlyFans and sex work as a career

Is sex work a legitimate career option for women today? Manah and Anza: not for me but do what you want. Danielle: no, not legitimate. Ebony Jan and Manah reveal they have OnlyFans (astrology/twerking and music content; not explicit nudity). Discussion of women faking medical justifications for procedures.

Should men take a bullet for their girlfriend

Would you want your boyfriend to take a bullet for you after 3 months? All guests say yes or probably yes. Brian argues inconsistency with refusing to bow.

Body count and dating standards

Manah asks each guest for body count. Anza: 5. Danielle: 0 (virgin at marriage). Mingu: very low. Madison: 0/1. Rachel: very low, declines out of respect for husband. Rachel argues women don't hold men to same body count standard they hold women. Brian discusses body count thresholds and labia preference.

Bumble swiping segment

Each guest sets age range and swipes through 20 male Bumble profiles. Most guests say no to nearly all profiles. Manah swipes mostly no but says yes to 1-2. Madison refuses white men in swipe segment (prefers Black men). Racial preferences discussion follows.

Racial preferences in dating

Going around the table on racial preferences. Manah: prefers Black men; does not date white men due to childhood trauma at predominantly white school. Would consider right white man. Ebony Jan: no preference. Anza: no preference. Danielle: preference for white (husband is Chamorro/Filipino). Mingu: no preference. Brian: prefers Asian. Madison: ditto (white preference based on husband).

Roast segment and closing

Brian and guests do a chat-driven roast segment. Mostly mild chat donations. Chat says 'Maddie is a 10' (Selena donation at ~5:47). Danielle shares revenge story from age 17 (peanut butter on ex's underwear and motorcycle). LDS discussion around Book of Mormon and name preferences. Prostitution/sex work definition debate. OnlyFans legality discussion.

Transcript

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Manah/Madison (mixed)but also I want to add that um my mom still is a good mother I love her um we were just going through a lot when I was younger I was very rebellious um but that's my best friend that makes sense I

Rachel Wilsonwas going to ask actually when you say you were rebellious do you feel like you end up with these guys because part of you is trying to do the strong independent woman thing like I don't need a man I can do it myself but at the

Rachel Wilsonsame time you want somebody so you end up with a guy who is okay with you being strong independent single woman who also turns out to be the kind of guy who's going to freak out if you get pregnant

Manah/Madison (mixed)and not want to and all that I feel like you have a really good point there I I don't feel like I ever thought of it like that um yeah cuz even when I was like being

Manah/Madison (mixed)very rebellious I was just always I just don't like rules I guess um I don't like for there to be like any rules on things you like betam men yeah sorry guys yeah huh like I

Rachel Wilsondon't want to yeah well that see that's the thing if you want the kind of guy who's going to handle business he can't also be the same kind of guy that's going to

Manah/Madison (mixed)constantly let you step on his dick yeah literally dick stepping literally dick stepping yeah she can tell you I'm I'm I'm kind of I'm holding my tongue guys

Ebony Janit's not my story it's not my story throw her under the bus tell us listen I can't talk cuz my my must be kind of messed up too but I will say I'm four

Ebony Janyears older and to experience the things that she goes through I'm like you're just young you're just young but I feel like you really do need to understand that you deserve better and stop being comfortable CU at the end of

Minguthe day it's just being comfortable at this point yeah I get I get really annoyed with the you're just young thing because um you're pretty close to the

Mingusame age and there's I don't know if that's like the best like you s like accountability I think also is like like needs to happen as well and there's a

Ebony Janlot of people who are young what I will say is that coming from we don't exactly come from the same place but I have an understanding because when I was her age I was I had a similar mindset so for me it's just like that's how I thought when

Ebony JanI was younger so it's like I give her Grace but at the same time I do step in and be like you need to take accountability I'm like you literally made this happen you allowed this to happen so but allow it to happen I mean

AnzaI was just going to say I mean we are definitely allowed to make mistakes and we should be making mistakes but yeah we need to have that awareness uh as we're making those mistakes and then that's when I think

Anzait's okay it's if we're making those mistakes and repeating those mistakes when it becomes a problem yeah repetition builds habits whether it's healthy or not so word can I ask do you

Manah/Madison (mixed)regret the abortions um yes and no because I am not I don't

Manah/Madison (mixed)think that I should be having children children with a man that doesn't even want to take any type of responsibility

Manah/Madison (mixed)I would like to be in a household with you know the healthy family Dynamic I would like that but I do understand that um people have their beliefs and um it

Manah/Madison (mixed)like I said it wasn't really something that I wanted to do but I I had to and I I regret it and I don't basically yeah I mean I definitely agree I think

Daniellethat children do deserve to be born to like a mother and a father who love them and will give them everything that they deserve but I do think that consequences have actions and I I believe that if

Danielleyou're having sex um then you should be willing to accept the consequence that you could conceive a child with that person and we shouldn't have sex with people we don't want to have kids with

Manah/Madison (mixed)yeah and I wanted to have kids with him initially yeah um but you know it just didn't work work out that way and once I I had never seen him blow up like that

Danielleuntil that situation happened and then it obviously happened again so it just so what was your like first red flag with him and how early did it happen in the relationship cuz you were

Danielletogether for four years so when did that red flag appear and why did you ignore it first red flag was when he was sleeping in my bed at my house and his his phone kept going off and I

Manah/Madison (mixed)already knew the phone password so I went through the phone and I seen him talking to multiple people but it was just this one person that I was just like okay this one is like serious you

Manah/Madison (mixed)know and it ended up being his ex-girlfriend that he claims is not his ex-girlfriend but you guys were dealing with each other seriously so it's

Manah/Madison (mixed)obviously that and um he I figured out that he was driving her car that was her car that he was driving and stuff that

Manah/Madison (mixed)he was paying on she had ended up moving away to another state and so he was like paying I guess on the car can we arrive

Danielleat the point here um but yeah that was that was really like the first red flag so just him cheating basically yeah okay and when was that in the relationship cuz you're together for 4 years when did that happen four months in I'm pretty

Anzasure oh my goodness I'm so sorry you stayed with him and that was after the first abortion yeah can I ask something um I'm not I'm not saying you were wrong for doing what you did um at all just a

Anzageneral question at those clinics you know they are supposed to ask are you being forced into the situation um did they ever ask you that yeah they always

Anzadid and I always told them no oh girl yeah just out of fear so sure sure fear is a very strong motivation mhm know

Brian Atlasokay we're going to get to one of the uh chats that came in earlier he asked what are red flags yall have ignored in the

Brian Atlaspast that you absolutely shouldn't have we're going to we'll start with you we'll go around the table so what are red flags you've ignored in the past

Manah/Madison (mixed)that you absolutely shouldn't have go ahead well I feel like I already I touched on it really just going through the phone and seeing a bunch of to things like that should have just been

Anzalike okay like no immediately I should have just been like no so I'll leave it at that uh well the fact that I started out

Ebony Janas the other woman in the first place that's a big one um I would say love bombing and then not taking accountability during arguments I was like I'd be gaslighted

Minguand I can't argue with crazy so uh I'd say just being the re girl yeah um I'd have to say somebody who

Mingudoesn't have their own interest in Hobbies um and they're kind of like clinging on to you and you're their hobby so yeah I would say a guy who's willing to let me take responsibility

Rachel Wilsonand be in charge of everything and wear the pants and like pay all the bills and be the grownup I did that when I was really young that didn't turn out well so yeah

Manah/Madison (mixed)Rachel do you have a question for them if not I got one go ahead um what do you think are your own red flags really cool you want to start with

Manah/Madison (mixed)you and go around um for me coming from not being a healed person I feel like I have definitely done my fair

Manah/Madison (mixed)share of damage and I feel like I always have to one up someone I I don't like Los I I'm an Aries so I just I don't like I

Manah/Madison (mixed)just don't like that I feel like that's a really big thing cuz you could just be a bigger person and just walk away cuz silence is really the best

Anzarevenge okay um I want to say just that I'm stubborn uh you know I don't always want to admit that I'm wrong uh granted

Ebony JanI'm working on that um you know want to be better so I can be better for others I get comfortable really really fast so if there's something that's negative in

Ebony Janthe relationship I can get used to it because I'm like okay it's not that serious it's not that serious until I blow up I'd say I have a difficult time asking for

Minguhelp uh maybe I have a temper and I've been working really hard to make sure that um I think think

Rachel Wilsonbefore I yell uh me I for me it was never like um promiscuity or anything like that I

Rachel Wilsonnever did that but early on when I was younger I was like really willful and same as same as what all you guys are saying and I think the takeaway from that is that especially all of us who

Rachel Wilsonare born in this day and age as women we tend to be really willful we're taught that we should compete with men we're told that we need to not let let anyone control us and not let anybody tell us what to do and so we feel like we do

Rachel Wilsonhave to constantly one up the guy or whatever I did that too when I was younger and good wives are not born they're made and it was something I had to work on it was something that I

Rachel Wilsonworked on with my husband's help uh and we can maybe get into that later but yeah for I had all the same issues I had a temper I was willful um I was

Brian Atlascompetitive all that stuff when I was young so so did you guys did was a second question asked it was what are your what

Brian Atlasare our red flags yeah red flags okay I had to get up there for a second so I missed all your answers but we have Panda Dan Ming it's Dan from first point awesome you're on this pod can you get

Brian Atlasan autograph from Rachel Wilson for me I loved her book and she's an amazing debater good luck Ming see you at Malibu nice see you nice hopefully we'll get

Brian Atlassome southwell soon you ever sered Leo Korea seos yeah it's a good spot it's okay it's actually a really crappy break you should never go there well the problem is is like it's

Brian Atlasit's Got That Rock so it's like there's one takeoff spot and like Yeah The Rock is really dangerous you shouldn't go there definitely shouldn't serve seos yeah definitely but it's like if there's more It suffers from like crowd issues

Brian Atlasbecause there's basically one takeoff so if there's more than like handful of people out there it's just ah it's [ __ ] it's [ __ ] okay yep ring con's better okay all right okay

Brian Atlaseveryone go to ringcon yeah go to ringcon all right cool um I'll answer the question too I guess let me find it what are red flags y'all

Brian Atlashave ignored in the past that you absolutely okay uh she was a feminist L ignored it long time ago

Brian Atlasspeaking of which who here considers themsel I should have maybe asked this first who here considers themselves a feminist so we'll start just one by one

Anzawhat about you um I yeah I consider myself a feminist feminist what about you I mean what is a feminist anymore if we're being honest uh feminist is

Rachel Wilsonsomebody who believes in egalitarianism or equality between men and women I mean yeah it within is that the charitable that's the charitable one

Ebony Jansure I mean within that definition sure okay H now I want to change my answer because I feel like that is um depending on what we're talking about yeah

Ebony Janfinancially um physically like what are we getting at but I'm going to just say I'm 50-50 on that no I'm not a

Mingufeminist I'm not a feminist either but I do want equality in sports though equality in sports yeah meaning like

Mingupaid the same or um not paid the same but like co-ed it's a I'm very on the

Mingufence about it um but as an athlete I want to be able to make a living doing what I like to do too and it's really difficult as a woman so it's more the

Rachel Wilsonfinancial aspect cuz I was wondering how you feel about the transgender folks who want to compete in women's sports and things like that how do you feel about

Minguthat I think that we have divisions for a reason we have a women's division and a men's division for a very specific and

Brian Atlasthere's a there that's we should have that yeah well I have some questions on that one so you said that you want equality in sports well not equality

Mingubut I just want more visibility with women's sports maybe you want more visibility so what is what would that look opport more opportunity for us yeah what does that mean well I feel like um

Minguat least in surfing and I'm sure it's similar in other sports uh you are either maybe the top three in the world and you get a lot of

MinguSpotlight and you get a lot of attention or you have to kind of show your body and use that to gain followers and

Minguincome um so it's It's just tough in this industry to make living okay so yeah so when it comes to surfing right you're and when you say you have to be top three you're talking about

Brian Atlaslike the the women's professional surfing yeah okay and so do you think that because one component of Surfing you have

Brian Atlassponsorships but you also have competitions and typically the person who places the best gets paid more I don't know what it is in women's I remember last time I

Brian Atlasused to watch at least the men surfing the first place for like the top surf competitions would typically be like 40 50,000 for the winner that was a long time ago though maybe that's probably

Minguwith shortboarding too and I'm a longboarder so I've oh it's probably even less for for longboarding yeah so I really stabbed myself in the foot or shot myself in the foot there with being a longboarder because there's um really no attention with longboarding let me

Brian Atlasask you a question so on a good day at se Street Surf spot in Ventura uh how many people are typically out at a given time 100 what do you you

Brian Atlassay um 100 Surfers on a good day maybe 50 at C Street cuz you have like in the Cove or well there's the cove and then there's like was it first point what's

Brian Atlasit called staes uh the point the point mle lot the whole the whole well there's the you got the pier and then that's the Cove I would argue on a good day at Sea

Brian AtlasStreet there's going to be like there can be 100 people at the Cove even sure okay so how many of those are men typically

Minguum like if there's 100 people out how many wom 90% or more okay all right

Brian Atlasso and so would you want for example women's long borders to be paid the same as women's short

Brian Atlasborders yeah even though that there even though there's like kind of less uh viewership and demand for watching longboarding compared to yeah I hear

Brian Atlaswhat you're saying and I'm and I agree with you with every other sport but mine well that's a little that doesn't make sense though I know it doesn't make

Mingusense um and I think since I'm so close and personal and I've been doing it for a very long time it's hard but I I hear your side and I agree with your side a

Brian Atlaslot and it's just frustrating trying to um should should women longboarders be paid the same as male short

Minguborders I think if you're competing in the same event which they never would be cuz you never like a pro event they would never have long borders and short borders at the same event um but if you

Minguare competing in the same event on the same actually let me think about that if you're okay so for example I watch the

Mingupipe Master Pro and um I definitely think those whoever is surfing pipeline when it's huge they definitely deserve to get the pay that

Minguthey get and which is a lot more than longboarders um because that is like you're risking your life so I don't think we should get paid the same as somebody who is literally dropping in

Minguonto like Reef breaks and it's life they're risking their life um so depending on the situation well let's even assume that the woman's competition

Brian Atlaslike it's um you're you're saying within the same competition let's just assume that the women are even surfing bigger waves and the men are surfing like head high

Brian Atlastrestles right uh even when the men are surfing head high trestles and the women are surfing like overhead some Hawaii break or something there's still going

Brian Atlasto be more viewership mhm for the men's competition even in surfing yeah so I mean I mean wouldn't the argument just be that well there's there's more viewership there that means there's more

Brian Atlassponsorship dollars the sponsors whether it's Quicksilver bong Rip Curl whatever the surf sponsorship is they make more money from the men's competition so they

Minguhave more money to put more viewership but women sell way more things so there might be viewership but women longboarders or women surfers we are

Minguable to Market ourselves in different ways and we should be getting I think more views I'm gonna put you yeah perfect all right guys we got two

Brian AtlasMadison mdy you want to take your seat back here grab the Hat um continue with your point then we'll have our new guests introduce

Minguthemselves I don't really have a oh okay that was kind of it I'm I've been wishy-washy with this for very long time and it's hard for me to like cuz I hear

Brian Atlaswhat you're saying the viewership I get that but um there's yeah okay well uh moving on then uh can we have you guys introduce yourselves so name age occupation and where you're from

Brian Atlasstarting with you oh yeah and we do uh since you guys are just joining us we do we do need you guys speaking up close as close to you can as to the mic like that

Manah/Madison (mixed)close go ahead okay hello my name is Jada I'm 18 years old sorry I'm from I came from Guam my dad's in the military so and now I'm a college student at UC

Manah/Madison (mixed)Santa Barbara what are you studying I'm I'm a pre-bio major pre-bio okay and you said you're from Guam were you born there no I was born in San Diego but we had to move a lot cuz he was in the military what what

Brian Atlasbranch of the military Navy yes Navy okay M all right so you you've spent some time on Guam yes like high school or something or yeah about three years

Manah/Madison (mixed)okay how far like that's what's the population it's like 50,000 or something I think about 100,000 oh 100 okay all right all right and you hi my name is

Manah/Madison (mixed)anusa I'm also a first year at Santa Barbara UCSB um I grew up in sh Lanka but I moved here from Sacramento all right what are you studying at UCSB I'm also a pre-bio

Brian Atlasmajor pre-bio okay and then we're going to ask also both of your current relationship status so are you like single talking stage situation ship uh starting with you okay I I have a

Manah/Madison (mixed)boyfriend we're we've been together for about two years years so we yeah we got together in junior year can I have you tilt your mic down a little

Brian Atlasbit perfect uh two years okay and you said you got together what was that in our junior year of high school okay what

Brian Atlasabout you I'm single all right uh have you ever been in a relationship no how long well uh I was going to say how long have you been single but your whole life then yeah

Brian Atlasbasically okay we'll say a single for 18 years um and then let's see what's I mean what's the longest period of time that you've have you had have you been on a first date for example no I haven't

Brian Atlasbeen on a first date or anything huh no uh have you do you party

Brian Atlasat all on the weekends um a little yeah okay um what's what's the extent of your dating

Manah/Madison (mixed)experience um well like have you had a like a casual thing a fling anything like that all this summer I was in Sweden and I went out a bit and like like I kissed some guys but like that's

Brian Atlasabout it like some Swedish hot Swedish dudes yeah yeah blue hairs blue hair blond blue hair blond ey what okay um and you're a freshman at UCSB correct

Brian Atlasyeah you haven't done like any partying cuz UCSB is number one party school right so yeah I mean partying we've gone out of it we partied a bit but crap boys

Brian Atlasno not really here and there nothing okay um so at least here in the US no nothing not

Brian Atlasreally like even like a one night hookup nothing okay all right uh are you on any dating apps no sexual orientation straight straight

Manah/Madison (mixed)okay all right are you looking for anything or you kind of just focus on school right now um I mean I'm not like closed off to it or anything but like I'm not like actively looking okay cool great well welcome

Brian Atlasguys thank you guys for uh joining us kind of Midway through here so uh getting right back into it I'm going to pull up a Super Chat that came through we had Darren Jones can I have you read

Anzathis one with me yeah oh okay uh the glory of God is that he lives and creates life the peak opposite is to have his own creation to kill itself and deny his best feature of creating life okay D all

Brian Atlasright thank you Darren Jones appreciate it man thank you thank you thank you for the Super Chat yeah guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever twitch.tv whatever Nick if you're able to pull up the thing in the

Brian Atlasstreamlabs uh yep go there guys if you have Amazon Prime you can link it to your Twitch it's quick free easy way to support the show every single month and

Brian Atlasif you can guys I don't know if uh any uh twitch Prime in the chat okay thank you guys appreciate it so we were going around the table I think we were just asking like on the feminism thing

Brian Atlaswe I think we ended with you then we started talking about uh surfing different differential in pay in surfing um would you guys consider yourselves a

Rachel Wilsonfeminists yeah yeah okay got it okay Rachel what about you no I would not consider myself a

Rachel Wilsonfeminist why why is that um because I think that patriarchy is the natural order of things and it's inescapable and if you want to try to be a feminist you're going to have a really hard time

Rachel Wilsonbecause it's simply not actually possible for us to have anything besides a patriarchy and we can get into why that is if anybody wants to does anybody have

Rachel Wilsonany qualms with can you Define patriarchy for those that don't know sure yeah patriarchy literally just means rule by the father

Rachel Wilsonawesome so it just generally means men are the rulers and organizers in the home in society in the church in the government and this has implicate I mean

Brian Atlaswe're dating talk show but this absolutely has implications when it comes to dating gender roles that sort of thing uh someone who's a bit more feminist May might prefer a bit more of an egalitarian relationship 50/50 that

Brian Atlassort of thing uh so or at least that's what it would appear to be uh

Brian Atlasso she's for patriarchy hot take from Rachel here does anybody here object to Rachel's position so I don't know if I

Ebony Janobject but I want to bring up a point um does everybody know who Lilith is yes she's in my book oh this how do you feel

Rachel Wilsonabout period how do you feel about her Lilith uh she's a demon so she's I think she's a vengeful goddess figure uh feminists love her she tends to be a

Rachel Wilsonfeminist icon because she takes Vengeance on men she uh sometimes uh SAS them in their sleep and then murders

Brian Atlastheir babies The Offspring yeah yeah is this like I don't know Diablo 4 just is it Diablo 4 is that the one from Diablo Diablo yeah the game yes yeah um she's

Ebony Jankind of hot like hot not going to lie yeah she bites men's Head heads off pretty much yeah they're always hot but basically the idea behind her I guess was that she was the first I like the story about her um but now it's funny

Ebony Janlet me just say this she was there before Eve it was Adam and Lilith she's made out of the same stuff as Adam and she was like why do I have to submit to you if we're made out of the same stuff and then she left the Garden of Eden

Rachel Wilsonyeah she would not get underneath Adam yeah and so she flew off into the sky and then down into the ocean and they tried to bring her back and there's like a whole lore behind it um they think

Rachel Wilsonthat the legend was actually like post Christianity more of a like first few centuries after Christianity Judaism

Rachel Wilsontype of a a lore where it came from but um depends how you feel about that but why do you think that she's cool like what do you like about her um so in my

Ebony JanI'll say this one I have a song called ath actually um there's a music video and everything but I actually do feel different about it now I'm kind of going through this phase where I was in my toxic relationship and I was in a stage of where I wanted to free myself and

Ebony Janlike I understood that like why am I submitting to someone that I don't feel um is a leader I'll say that but now that I think about it it's like there are men that are leaders and if you put

Ebony Janyourself in that position it's a different woman but the woman that I felt that I related to was her because I was in a situation where I'm like I shouldn't submit to this man what why did you not want to submit to that guy what was it about him he didn't feel

Ebony Janlike um I didn't respect him enough why um because he was almost like full of air I'll give you that where it's like he felt as though he was more

Rachel Wilsonrespectable than he actually was so do you feel like he wasn't responsible or he didn't have his stuff together or like that um just kind of flying off the rails all the time oh not

Ebony Janin control of his emotions yeah that's a that'll dry your panties up quick very much so I said um I'm going to leave this Garden yeah yeah so I felt that

Rachel Wilsonbecause why that's like female energy right a guy who is not in control of his emotions and he's up and down and all over the place kind of like we are right

Brian Atlasit's not a good feel like we're made out of the same stuff right so right yeah so it's why we say no sing boys don't do it let me ask this question from a I

Brian Atlasguess a dating lens so would you I think most of you identified as feminist if I recall I said 5050 50-50 I think you said yes yes I think

Brian Atlasno no okay and then yes for you too would you date a guy who is not a feminist starting with you yeah wait into the mic please sorry

Manah/Madison (mixed)um yes just hearing like the definitions that you guys have for it is like making me think of it differently cuz the

Manah/Madison (mixed)definition that I had was literally just I just don't want to conform to having to listen to Somebody That is not going to listen to me or like like allowing

Manah/Madison (mixed)somebody to lead that isn't actually a leader but just feels like they're a leader you know like I want to still make my own decisions and stuff like that and have like a brain of my own and not be like a

Manah/Madison (mixed)brainless bimbo like that's that's what I was thinking it was but okay so what made you feel like it's a different definition like why do you feel like

Manah/Madison (mixed)that might be different now um well I do understand that um men are leaders like I have a really healthy relationship with my father that's my best friend um

Manah/Madison (mixed)and then just the like the things that I've been through just putting it into perspective like is that's not somebody that I would want to allow to lead me but if if I found somebody that was a leader then I would allow them to wait

Manah/Madison (mixed)did you say your dad is not somebody who or he is somebody no he is I'm saying just like the things that I've been through in um like relationships and stuff like if I found somebody that was

Rachel Wilsonactually a leader then I would like so what kind of qualities like what would you be looking for in somebody who you felt was worth like submitting to um someone that would be able to

Manah/Madison (mixed)like take care of me in the aspects of emotionally um and take care of things like like rent and stuff like that and not feel

Rachel Wilsonlike they want to go 5050 with me I'm not into that at all so this is a common thing I've seen and I want to ask you guys do you guys think that what you

Rachel Wilsonwant would you say what you want is you want uh you want the man to lead when it comes to doing difficult dangerous dirty things paying bills dealing with really

Rachel Wilsonawful situations then he can lead but if you're just in your feelings about something you just want to do what you want to do then you don't want him to lead cuz I feel like

Manah/Madison (mixed)that's a really common thing okay well I feel like see for me like I'm I'm a singer so I'm always out like I'm networking and stuff like that so I feel

Manah/Madison (mixed)like I just have to be with somebody that would also be okay with me being out a lot and stuff like that that like and just supporting the things that I

Daniellewant to do so if you had a future partner that asked you to give up your singing and like raise your children would you not do that I mean I would still raise my children but I wouldn't

Rachel Wilsongive up what I love to do for anybody okay could you still sing though and not be trying to like necessarily make money in it like could you sing for yourself or your family you could sing

Rachel Wilsonat church you could sing on Instagram but maybe not be out at clubs networking all the time because you're at home with your kids I feel like when I really make a name for myself I wouldn't have to

Manah/Madison (mixed)really Network like that all the time but I feel like um it's just certain things that I'm just not willing to budge on I just feel like my life is still going to be my life and I'm going

Manah/Madison (mixed)to take care of the things that I'm supposed to take care of but like if my partner doesn't want me to do something that I love then I feel like that's not

Daniellethe person for me so do you not believe in like acing in a relationship or or anything like that like do you feel that

Danielleyou the person that you meet how do I phrase this um are you selfishly driven like do you is it

Manah/Madison (mixed)everything that you care about has to come first or would you sacrifice in a relationship um it just depends on what is being sacrificed because I understand

Manah/Madison (mixed)that if in a relationship there is a lot of give and take on both ends so but for me it's just when it comes to something that genuinely makes me happy and stuff like that like there's going to be late nights where I'm in the studio and

Manah/Madison (mixed)you're probably not even going to believe where I am or whatever stuff like that like that happens and I just feel like I'm just not going I'm not going to budge on certain things so you just told us a a whole kind of story about what your life's been like so far

Rachel Wilsonand what your relationships have been like so far and it's been super volatile you've had would you say it's correct to say that You' had like no stability no

Rachel Wilsonsense of Peace predictability calm like uh continuous like uh predictability in your relationships it's been very all

Manah/Madison (mixed)over the place yeah pretty much um I feel like the only real good relationship that I did have was um my ex that passed away so and I was I feel

Manah/Madison (mixed)like I was able to submit to him in ways like like took care of me emotionally very well and stuff like that but we were young like really young there was no way that we could take care of each other in any other way and stuff like that we couldn't see each other all the

Rachel Wilsontime and things like that either like we're both in school so so you realize that if you get the kind of guy you're saying you want the kind of man who is going to create stability and continuity

Rachel Wilsonin your life predictability he's going to handle the business he's going to pay the bills he's going to make sure there aren't people coming in because you seem like a very sensitive and kind of emotional type of person which is fine you're a woman it's there's reasons that

Rachel Wilsonwe're like that if you're if you're going to be a mother that's a good quality but that's why you need a man who is like strong steady stable and going to provide the stability you

Rachel Wilsonrealize he can't do that if you're going to say to him I just feel like I need to be able to do what I feel like is going to make me happy if you are chasing that you're never going to have that

Rachel Wilsonstability and that continuity that you've been looking for right like if you're chasing feelings he's not going to be able to you're going to constantly be butting heads with him and you're not going to be able to have that well could

AnzaI interject for a second sure uh I find a lot of men have a lot of feelings too I mean not to say there aren't strong men of course there are um but uh you

Anzaknow I mean I dated a man who was not a feminist and he was more in his feelings than he liked to admit I think uh and it

Anzashowed and how did it show I mean he was insecure enough that he sought validation another woman so okay wait so it's not good to be an

Anzaemotional man then well I mean because he didn't Express that he was insecure that he would bottle them up and not communicate to me what he was feeling and then we'd argue and he still wouldn't Express all those things until

Rachel Wilsonsomething had already happened now did he tell you why he didn't Express his feelings to you over like whatever the dissatisfaction was that he said made him cheat did he tell you why he felt

Anzalike he couldn't talk to you about it or I mean I would ask and uh you know he be like well I I didn't feel

Anzavalidated uh because um he's like um you're not giving me enough compliments or something like I'm like I I I feel like I give you a lot of compliments but

Anzayou know I'll try more and it still didn't stop things from happening um it's and that of course that conversation happened after he had

Rachel Wilsonalready like done something and it's these are conversations that need to happen beforehand so he what it sounds like to me is that he didn't have strong enough boundaries to begin with because if he was like a man who had strong

Anzaboundaries like my husband if he was not happy he wouldn't just like go cheat he'd be like this is what I expect and this is what my needs are and if you can't meet that this is he would he did

Anzahe he he gave me a bunch of boundaries and morals as he put it and uh we would I would either abide or compromise on

Anzathem cuz you know I believe that we need to have those conversations but then he would and he's like whatever moral I set for you is also set

Rachel Wilsonfor me but then obviously these things happened so what was it that he came to you and said this is my boundary that you felt like some of the things you respected and other things you

Anzacompromised on like can you give me any specific examples um for example um let's see uh he didn't want me to um go

Anzaout to the clubs with friends or whatever not that I was ever a very partying person um just uh but because I did it

Anzamaybe once uh in a month uh he was like that's too much too much I'm like well I'm going to be surrounded with friends he's like I got to be there and then he I I'm like okay hey do you want to go

Anzawith us and be like I don't want to go and I was like okay well and I'm like well then can I go with the friends I'm like no um and so one time he was like okay you can go this one time it it's

Anzajust stuff like that it's um and another time okay he didn't want me to hang out with this guy friend I had for a very long time I mean I knew for 10 years and I knew he wouldn't do ever anything I

Anzamean he's more into guys than he's ever into to women and um wait he was like H like he was homosexual he's he's by okay

Anzaand but he is definitely more into men um and uh and uh I was like Hey I'm going to hang out with him um I even you know

Anzacommunicated with him beforehand I'm like you gave me permission to hang out with this person before so I am now communicating to you this is someone I'm going to hang out with today and

Anzauh he got really upset by that and I was he was like well you didn't say would be at you know their place I'm like yeah but all their siblings are there it and

Rachel Wilsonum so I mean like did he say you hanging out with other dudes regardless of their sexual orientation is a deal breaker for me like did he tell you that well we you know went through my friends list and I was like well how do you feel about this person how do you feel about that person

Rachel Wilsonand I'm like how do you feel about new people coming in so we'd have those conversations so if he had said that if he had said look if I'm going to be in a relationship with you I don't want you hanging out with dude friends without me

Rachel Wilsonlike if it's couples and we're hanging out together that's fine or if we're in a group and there's guys in the group that's fine but I don't want you to like go off with your guy friend how would you have reacted to that I mean I'm not

Rachel Wilsongoing to lie I didn't like it I didn't but I that was one of the compromises so do you think you'd be attracted to a guy who liked had no problem with you hanging out with other dudes do you

Anzathink that you would still be ATT raed and like want a guy like that I don't think i' do it again I uh cuz you know I I know the friends I've made and I've

Ebony Jannot had a problem can I say something yeah I feel like it all just comes down to trust like if you and your partner have an understanding of like you wouldn't be doing anything if I'm not there I'm not going to do anything if you're not there or just like that understanding it shouldn't be an issue

Rachel Wilsonif you want to hang out with your friends I think that's lies that women tell themselves so they can do what they want to be honest if I trust you because if you're in a committed relationship and if the purpose of the

Rachel Wilsonrelationship is eventually marriage which seems like you guys even though you have very loose like uh boundaries about relationships like you're very open and you're uh really modern about

Rachel Wilsonthings like everybody kind of says they want to get married at a certain point so it's like you're all saying I want a strong man who's going to lead who's got his [ __ ] together who isn't in his feelings who has you know if he has a

Rachel Wilsonboundary he's going to be up he's not going to violate it later but then on the other hand you're like but I also want him to let me hang out with my guy friends and I want him to be okay with me dabbling with women and I want them to let me do what I want when I want do

Rachel Wilsonyou see like where I'm going with it how it sounds like you guys kind of want the strong guy who's going to hold it together but you also want him to like let you do whatever you want let ask why

Anzadoes a man you know not wanting you to hang out with a guy friend equate to a strong man why does that make them a strong man why do I need a leash well it depends do you want him hanging out with

Rachel Wilsonwomen when you're not there I care if he communicated now I'll okay I hear what you're saying but I pay attention to what women do not what they say so you if you say I'm fine with my boyfriend

Rachel Wilsongoing off and hanging out with his girl who's a friend it doesn't bother me what I'm hearing is that's not a guy you really want that's not a guy that you're actually into who really like maybe you're speaking for yourself but that's

Anzanot for that for me that's not what happened I you know I loved him I wanted a whole future with him but not enough to not hang out with the guy friends but not enough remember remember I

Anzacompromised I didn't hang out with guy friends unless he said this is okay and I even went out of my way I'm like hey meet them assess them for yourself right I agree and yeah oh I

Brian Atlashave a question so you said that your most recent boyfriend cheated on you I'm curious did he cheat on you with a woman or with a man huh with a I mean cuz you said he's by right no no no that was the

Anzafriend wait the the the friend the guy friend I have that's not my boy or ex I should say um yeah uh I thought you were dating a b it sounded like gu okay wants

Anzato hang out with the B friend okay all right never mind go ahead continue with your um uh so yeah I mean we compromised and so you know I was even saying hey

Anzameet these friends assess for yourself tell me who you're comfortable with ET ET cuz I don't want to be disrespectful um you know I get we have our differences and I want to respect

Anzathat um but you know so and he said this person in particular was okay and so I was going to hang out with them and then he got upset and then I get a message

Rachel Wilsonfrom him saying wait why did he get upset I don't know was it the case that you kind of pushed and pushed and pushed until he accepted the he was like fine you can hang out with the one guy I

Rachel Wilsonguess because he's most most get like was it kind of like that or was it um or was he like oh no Joey is fine hang out with Joey all you want and then he just randomly got upset for no reason or um no I mean this was something we agreed

Anzato for a long time and it finally came down and mind you the whole hangout that I was supposed to happen was supposed to be kind of just professional I was helping him with a film project um and yes it was going to be at his uh home

Anzabut he has this home with a bunch of other siblings and it wasn't just going to be him and we I wasn't going to room I have never been in his room actually and um so so why do you get upset is what I'm trying to ask because he wasn't

Anzaaware at the time that I was going to the apartment okay sure I didn't say that um but I mean I explained the situation to him and he he was still upset and then he was like okay you know

Anzawhat I'm I'm going to hang out with a friend I'm like friend defined friend and so he said it was a woman I was like okay what's her name and her name is Hannah and um then I'm I was like I've

Anzanever heard you mention her before and he's like oh yeah I met her yesterday at Journeys she was helping me buy a shoe I'm like and suddenly this is a friend you're going to hang out with one-on-one and he's like yeah you shouldn't have a problem with that you got to hang out with your friend I'm like that's

Rachel Wilsondifferent that's a total stranger you don't know her I don't know her so it sounds to me like he was trying to give you a taste of your own medicine so you could feel how he was but it's a total stranger that he had never even really met maybe it was but I mean

Anzastatistically you're more likely to cheat with a guy who's your friend sure I understand that I I'm not going to disagree I it's if you know someone who's familiar that's it does make it easier um you know but uh in this case

Anzayeah it was a total stranger and I know he was trying to give me a taste of my own medicine but you know it's a completely different situation I known my friend for 10 years this is someone he met yesterday and um this is someone

Anzathat we had a communication about this is someone we never spoken about never even knew and um so it's those kind of things if that makes any kind sense yeah makes sense I feel like it's a situation

Daniellethat completely could have been avoided though and I think that if you are trying to date someone seriously you shouldn't be hanging out with people of the opposite sex period it doesn't matter I will say I I personally have

Ebony Jannever hung out with a guy friend oneon-one when I'm in a relationship I don't do that but what I will say is that if I have a guy friend that I knew before my relationship and I introduce them and we hang out together I think that is fine I'll say well let's

Brian Atlascontinue going around the table so would you date a guy who's not a feminist yeah yeah yes um I don't think I would you

Brian Atlaswouldn't okay what about you um could you um like go explain what a feminist is well I mean didn't you describe yourself as a feminist um could you

Brian Atlasexplain a little well okay so that I would I would argue that the most charitable def at least the most charitable definition I would give feminism is that it's a woman's advocacy

Brian Atlasmovement mhm that's the most charitable definition I give it I don't even believe it's in the most charitable form it's a movement for equality I think it's a woman's advoc advocacy movement

Brian Atlasthere's nothing wrong with that I don't think it has any interest in equality though mhm so yeah it's okay women's advocacy both you guys the reality but that's me being

Brian Atlascharitable I would argue the reality of feminism is it's something along the lines of women's advocacy steeped in

Brian Atlasconspiracy theories and uh there's bare minimum like some degree of male bigotry

Brian Atlasbias even mandry hatred of men um yeah that's my more accurate sense of what feminism

Manah/Madison (mixed)is okay um I can I change my answer I don't think that I'm a feminist oh okay good job I'm noticing a pattern are you noticing a pattern with they all say they're a

Rachel Wilsonfeminist and then when we further def they're like no I don't I don't want to identify with that right but then when we get probing questions going we kind of find out that they are feminist so let me let me ask a couple

Brian Atlasquestions that could perhaps help with this so um you've got a boyfriend over here I do um with him or just like if you were ever to you know go out back out there and date uh who do you think

Danielleshould pay on the first date the man or the man or the woman um like the very first date yeah first date I mean I guess if he's taking you

Manah/Madison (mixed)out then he could pay for it but like throughout the relationship I feel like it shouldn't just be him okay so first date should be the guy without without the first first few dates um I would

Manah/Madison (mixed)split I would offer like when we were first starting to date I would like if he pays for the dinner then maybe I'll get dessert okay so we' pay for 80% and

Brian Atlasyou would pay for 20% of the bill typically if my my understanding of eating out dessert is typically going to

Manah/Madison (mixed)be a fraction of the maybe it's $5 it doesn't have to be like dinner and dessert it could be like if we're going to the movies then he could buy the tickets or then I'll get the snacks with your boyfriend for the first date did he

Brian Atlaspay for it um I'm pretty sure he got the tickets and I got the snacks okay um what about you if you end up on the first date with guy would you

Manah/Madison (mixed)like him to pay or are you okay 50/50 um I'm okay with 50/50 for like the first date yeah what about dates beyond the first date um I think it would be like

Manah/Madison (mixed)it shouldn't have to be like exactly 50/50 but I'm okay with like um you like if we like more serious about it like um we just kind of like pay for each other and it's not like something like super

Brian Atlaslike strict I guess like okay he gets one you get one yeah kind of like that what about you absolutely absolutely what pay on the first date the guy should pay on the first date yes okay what about you yes

Anzathe guy should pay on the first date the guy should pay on the first date I don't think so I mean look if they're asking for they they're like I want to take you to a super expensive restaurant I don't have the money for that I'm going to

Anzacommunicate that and if they're like okay then let's go somewhere cheaper cool that's fine with me I don't care okay okay but I will split that's fair okay so if he's asking you somewhere

Brian Atlasexpensive then yeah yeah okay what about you who should pay men men should pay okay didn't you say you were a feminist feminist feminist feminist not a

Brian Atlasfeminist feminist feminist uh here's another question that we can kind of uh figure out here uh should women be drafted this is this is an efforts to to

Manah/Madison (mixed)figure out if you guys are feminists or not um should women be drafted in the military like by drafted do you mean like when you turn 18 like you're automatically yeah so men have to register for the Selective Service

Brian Atlascurrently there's not a draft in the United States but all men in the United States at uh at 18 in order to be able to vote and have other benefits they have to register for the Selective Service what which would then make them

Brian Atlassubject to military conscription in the case that there was a uh military conflict which uh required a draft so do you think women should be subject

Manah/Madison (mixed)to uh Selective Service draft for absolutely not absolutely not okay I wouldn't even trust women to like fight for our country unless that's like their

Manah/Madison (mixed)that's their thing you know like if you're like that type of woman that you feel like you're stronger and stuff like that but I just feel like no okay what do you think well hold

Manah/Madison (mixed)on so you think they should be drafted based on how they feel no not saying that at all I'm saying if like willingly if you just want to go she's saying if they want all just really want to volunteer yeah if they want to volunteer

Anzayes yeah but then yeah purpose exactly yeah I mean well that's what we currently have yeah but uh I yeah I guess we should be drafted cuz I mean okay right I mean plenty of men don't

Brian Atlaswant to join okay plenty of men and plenty of men plenty of women doesn't matter okay if we got to do what we got to do I mean now here's the interesting thing you guys both have different opinions on this I still don't know

Brian Atlaswhich is actually like the actual feminist position because it we'll have feminists who will argue it's actually we had one last week with Andrew who said well it's not it's not Equitable

Brian Atlasit's not equity for women to be drafted that's a whole another thing but what about you no no okay no women should not be drafted should not be drafted no but

Brian Atlasthey should be paid equally in sporting events no comment okay no they shouldn't be drafted I

Rachel Wilsondon't think so well hold okay so everybody except Anza yeah said women shouldn't be drafted but y'all want to be equal so wait a sec how are you equal

Rachel Wilsonif the men are the ones that have to fight and die to defend the country the men are the ones that build and maintain all the infrastructure right like none of this stuff in the studio is built or

Rachel Wilsonmaintained by women do you know that like 90% of infrastructure jobs are still held by men and that if you look at the top 20 jobs held by women now in

Rachel Wilson2024 versus 1924 are almost the exact so women have had a 100 years to do whatever they want and they still do the same 20 jobs they did 100 years ago other than we switched out Farm labor

Rachel Wilsonfor HR work but other than that we're secretaries nurses daycare ladies uh early childhood education uh administrative assistance

Rachel Wilsonretail workers all the same [ __ ] that we were a century ago so if the men men are the ones tasked with every time there's a natural disaster they have to go out and rescue people from the fires and the flood waters and every time there's a

Rachel Wilsonwar the men have to go and fight it and defend the country and anytime there's a criminal who needs to be violently arrested it's going to be a man who goes and does that not a woman where does the equality come in if

Rachel Wilsonwe're doing the fluffy jobs you know we're all singers we got a lot of singers and musicians which is cool it's great I love music too but y'all ain't like rescuing people and uh you know doing the doing the heavy lifting or the

Rachel Wilsondirty or the dangerous jobs like who collects the trash men you know who uh does all the steel working and oil rig work and uh all of the like sewer cleaning we have a video on this Rachel

Brian Atlasactually Nick remember that video we were looking at yesterday I think it might still be on one of the

Brian Atlastabs let's watch This Is It audio no audio no audio go ahead oh there's no audio yeah go ahead are you ready to work on an oil rig all

Rachel Wilsonright come on feminists get in there you can those are some rough necks come on ladies ladies anyone Andrew Andrew had to do stuff like that back in the day they'd lower him underwater welding I guess not underwater but they would

Rachel Wilsonlower him into these tiny little horrifically frightening spaces to do extremely dangerous stuff I'm claustrophobic I really feel like women should just have the choice to do if they want to cuz I know some women that can handle it they do have the choice

Rachel Wilsonthey do and they're not they don't want to this well this is the big secret right is that women don't want to do any of this dirty dangerous scary stuff they don't want to well yeah but is that just you know what we've been raised with the

Rachel Wilsonculture we surrounded by no and I have data to back this up so okay if you oh is there more Nick just let it play yeah we'll just let it play so back around

Rachel Wilsonthe time of suffrage we're talking like 1850s to 1920 roughly around there when the big suffrage movement was happening um did you guys know that most women

Rachel Wilsonwere completely against it by all of the uh referendums that they would do where they would let women vote on whether they wanted the vote only about 4% actually had any interest in voting and they actually had really good reasons

Rachel Wilsonfor this there was much higher membership in anti-suffrage groups than pro-suffrage groups and these groups would do public debates they would do written debates uh newspaper periodicals where they would go back and forth and

Rachel Wilsondebate these things and the women who were against suffrage said look the primary purpose of government is to protect persons and property okay why

Rachel Wilsontask women with that when we're not really capable of doing that okay uh we don't want to have to be drafted we don't want to have to do jury duty we don't want to have to be a political

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