Rachel Wilson vs. Feminists! She Is A 10! Better Looking In 20 Years? LDS Dating? | Dating Talk #164

Date: 2024-05-27

Duration: 6h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MManah (DT164)>

EEbony Jan (DT164)>

DDanielle (DT164)>

MMingu (DT164)>

MMadison (DT164)>

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Anza(guest)

SPEAKER_04Ebony Jan(guest)

SPEAKER_06Manah/Madison (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Mingu(guest)

SPEAKER_13Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_14Danielle(guest)

Key Moments

OtherAnza performs opera live: Queen of the Night from The Magic Flute, then The Fifth Element aria. Brian gives it an A-minus despite no warm-up. First time opera has been performed live on the show per Brian.

“let's hear let's wait God what did I say uh the the hold on hold what's it called it's uh the the Queen the night ARA”

OtherManah discloses multiple abortions from her situationship relationships. Said matter-of-factly during relationship status round.

“I've had a couple abortions because of like it was yeah just a lot of stuff”

TopicRachel Wilson asks panel about plastic surgery culture; launches major discussion about cosmetic procedures, social media pressure, and BBL dangers.

“what do you guys think about all the plastic surgery that ladies are getting these days”

OtherManah discloses she was sexually assaulted as a child and in high school, explaining her preference for bear over man in the man vs. bear question.

“I was assault away as a kid and a lot of a couple of my first experiences in like sexually was also that like in high school so I just feel like I'd rather be maul”

OtherManah lists all cosmetic procedures she plans to get: lips, breast augmentation, hip fillers, BBL, lipo, Botox.

“um my boobs um fake boobs I want to get hip fillers hip fillers what else BBL lipo I would definitely get BOTOX”

OtherRachel Wilson admits she had her teeth done (veneers/crowns) after 5.5 years of braces left permanent staining. Distinguishes cosmetic from enhancement procedure.

“I did get my top teeth done as well I forgot to say that”

OtherMadison reveals her aunt died from BBL complications, leaving behind two young children including a newborn.

“my aunt died you got this m my inside from getting a BBL um she just didn't wake up from the anesthesia”

QuoteRachel Wilson says she would 'do backflips' for Andrew Wilson if he asked. States Andrew gets whatever Andrew wants.

“would you B Andrew I would do backflips I would whatever Andrew wants”

QuoteChat donation from Selena calls Madison 'a 10' (likely the origin of the episode title 'She Is A 10!'). Brian confirms and announces Madison will start streaming on Twitch.

“also Maddie is a 10 thank you Selena”

OtherDanielle tells revenge story from age 17: filled ex's underwear with peanut butter and rubbed it on his brand new motorcycle. Husband drove her to do it.

“I filled his underwear with peanut butter and I rubbed it over his brand new motorcycle”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves with name, age, location, occupation. Manah reveals two concurrent situationships with fighting men on day of show. Danielle reveals LDS faith and marriage. Mingu reveals married/half-Taiwanese. Anza performs opera live (Queen of the Night / Fifth Element aria).

Feminism debate: definition and personal identification

Rachel Wilson and Brian debate what feminism actually means. Guests initially call themselves feminist, then retreat after probing questions. Rachel defines feminism as women's advocacy movement with male bigotry; not an equality movement.

Women in the military / selective service / draft

Should women be subject to Selective Service draft? Most guests say no. Rachel argues force and defense has always been male domain. Discussion of Special Forces women failing standards, lowered physical requirements.

Women's happiness decline under feminism (Paradox of Female Happiness)

Rachel cites survey data from 1970s-2000s showing women declining in happiness in societies with most equality. Links to rise in alcoholism, depression, anxiety. Attributes to feminism creating impossible expectations.

Greater male variability hypothesis

Brian presents greater male variability chart: more men at extremes (high and low IQ); women cluster around mean. Discussion of why women rarely reach apex of competitive fields (CEOs, generals, presidents) despite 100 years of equality.

Man vs. Bear debate

Would you rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the woods? Most guests choose man. Manah reveals she was assaulted as a child, explains choosing bear as emotional rather than statistical reasoning. Rachel presents data on low statistical risk from married husband vs. cohabiting partner.

Smashing the patriarchy / what is the patriarchy

Do guests want to smash the patriarchy? Mixed responses. Rachel explains patriarchy as feminist conspiracy theory; argues feminism destroyed male hierarchy leading to beta/gamma males using manipulation instead of being kept in line.

Plastic surgery debate

Rachel asks panel about plastic surgery culture. Manah says she wants lips, BBL, lipo, hip fillers, Botox. Madison shares that her aunt died from BBL complications (left two young children). Brian declares himself a natural body supremacist. Rachel says she has never seen a BBL that looked better. Ebony Jan has had lip filler.

Arguing in relationships / Rachel Wilson and Andrew dynamic

Do couples benefit from arguing? Rachel shares story of throwing remote at Andrew early in relationship; he threatened to leave permanently. She unlearned conflict behavior over time by observing his emotional stability. Mingu shares similar experience.

Bowing to men as respect

Brian plays bow video and asks if guests would bow to a man as a sign of respect. Mingu says bowing is part of her Taiwanese culture; would bow to husband. Danielle says if her husband wanted it she would do it. Manah has stipulations. Anza wants reciprocal respect. Rachel says she would do backflips for Andrew. Brian argues girls who won't bow but want man to take a bullet for them are inconsistent.

OnlyFans and sex work as a career

Is sex work a legitimate career option for women today? Manah and Anza: not for me but do what you want. Danielle: no, not legitimate. Ebony Jan and Manah reveal they have OnlyFans (astrology/twerking and music content; not explicit nudity). Discussion of women faking medical justifications for procedures.

Should men take a bullet for their girlfriend

Would you want your boyfriend to take a bullet for you after 3 months? All guests say yes or probably yes. Brian argues inconsistency with refusing to bow.

Body count and dating standards

Manah asks each guest for body count. Anza: 5. Danielle: 0 (virgin at marriage). Mingu: very low. Madison: 0/1. Rachel: very low, declines out of respect for husband. Rachel argues women don't hold men to same body count standard they hold women. Brian discusses body count thresholds and labia preference.

Bumble swiping segment

Each guest sets age range and swipes through 20 male Bumble profiles. Most guests say no to nearly all profiles. Manah swipes mostly no but says yes to 1-2. Madison refuses white men in swipe segment (prefers Black men). Racial preferences discussion follows.

Racial preferences in dating

Going around the table on racial preferences. Manah: prefers Black men; does not date white men due to childhood trauma at predominantly white school. Would consider right white man. Ebony Jan: no preference. Anza: no preference. Danielle: preference for white (husband is Chamorro/Filipino). Mingu: no preference. Brian: prefers Asian. Madison: ditto (white preference based on husband).

Roast segment and closing

Brian and guests do a chat-driven roast segment. Mostly mild chat donations. Chat says 'Maddie is a 10' (Selena donation at ~5:47). Danielle shares revenge story from age 17 (peanut butter on ex's underwear and motorcycle). LDS discussion around Book of Mormon and name preferences. Prostitution/sex work definition debate. OnlyFans legality discussion.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasnormally aim to go live at 5:00 p.m. we had uh a bunch of flakes Maddie and Nick were in The Mean Streets of I Vista Santa Barbara just trying to uh which

Brian Atlaswhich camera are you looking at Maddie that one you like top of this but I don't know no you got to look dead center yeah don't look at the top one that one's not on you got to look dead

Brian Atlascenter oh IRS is now a member okay hold on that's a little alarming uhoh [ __ ] going to get audited thank you

Brian Atlasman appreciate it uh EA thank you man uh so yeah we had like uh nine flakes total today six of which within 24 hours and then like three that flaked like an hour before the show so my apologies once

Brian Atlasagain for us being late but without further Ado with that said we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location

Manah/Madison (mixed)and occupation go ahead um I'm manah I'm 24 um into the mic into the mic I'm a singer songwriter and I'm from Los

AnzaAngeles all right welcome welcome what about you uh I'm Anza I'm 25 and I'm in between LA and uh Santa Barbara what do

Anzayou do for work oh right uh I am a student and a musician where are you a student uh here at UC what are you studying music composition un undergrad

Ebony JanI'm graduating this spring uh are you undergrad or oh yeah St yeah okay got it all right cool what about you all right I am ebony Jan I am 28 years old and I'm originally from

Ebony JanBoston but I live here in Los Angeles now and what are you doing for work I'm currently a content creator astrologer aser club promoter okay few

Brian Atlasthings what so what does what does an astrologer do I read charts you read charts I do okay how long you been doing that for you got did you go to school for that

Ebony Janyou got so went for psychology for my degree but I've been studying astrology for about eight years what what do they say about um

Ebony JanTauruses H I'm a Taurus we're pretty stubborn but we like to work and we like M with the bull you get the horns that's a fact that's very much a fact we'll find the easy way to

Brian Atlasdo anything too okay all right wait and going back to you you said you do uh you're studying music composition yeah so you're like classic trained musician uh yeah classically trained but I mainly

Brian Atlasfocus on uh Rock and film composition okay and do you play an instrument or are you singer voice piano guitar are you a soprano soprano with a freaky low range

Brian Atlasthey say okay yeah all right can we hear something I mean sure are we what are we talking about like Opera what are we talking what kind I mean I trained in

Brian AtlasOpera but like oh [ __ ] let's he something let's hear let's wait God what did I say uh the the hold on hold what's

Anzait called it's uh the the Queen the night ARA Queen of the Night the night ARA yeah um oh my God I was about to do it but I it's hard as okay I have not

Anzawarmed up today wait can you do it though I I'll give it a shot hell yeah do it okay let's see um

Background/minor[Laughter] yeah

Brian Atlasdamn very good there we go there we go it would have been better even with a warm-up okay that was good that's and that's a very hard uh Opera piece I mean

Brian AtlasI don't know if I started in the right key but that's it maybe a little off but yeah know it wasin a little pitchy I'm not going to lie but you you wen't warmed up you're on the spot but that was very impressive okay uh sweet and

Brian Atlasthen we'll we'll have to uh what's that one from the uh there was this movie in the '90s that featured an opera piece The Fifth Element are you familiar with that oh God yes but that one's like

Anzaalmost impossible right um I think I know which one you're talking about yeah I could do it maybe right now [ __ ] it okay do it oh God is that the is that the one I was like it's the one with the blue alien or

Anzawhatever is that the one where she's being like what okay you got it okay

Brian Atlassure something like that right wow that was really good that was good in studio really nice guys

Rachel Wilsonhow how are your ear DRS Chad how are your ears no okay all right this is a very classy podcast opera singer yeah we got

Brian Atlasan opera singer we'll have to uh we'll go back to the uh the what what is it the the it's what's the actual title of the first one that you did the Knight

AnzaQueen oh well the the character is Queen of the Knight but that song isn't I'm trying to find that I mean you could find it if you just type Queen of the Knight so Queen of the Knight Arya the Magic The Magic Flute That's The Magic

Brian AtlasFlute that's what I was I was looking for okay cool cool that was good that was good thank you I preferred the first one but uh sorry well we'll have you do it again later on uh so okay and instruments you said piano vocal and

Ebony Janguitar guitar oh wow and I just say I forgot to say I also do music but that's wow you guys should start a band hell yeah I'm I'm looking for musicians there you go what about you yeah I'm Danielle

DanielleI'm 25 I'm from Salt Lake City Utah and I am a grad student right now and I also work as a nanny you said you're from Utah yeah Salt Lake yeah okay and you

Mingusaid 25 right 25 all right what about hi my name is mingu I'm 32 and I do all sorts of things I'm a surf

TTS/Chat readercoach um I work

TTS/Chat reader6,969 blah blah blah 69 donated $69 W ebony I want a motorboat stem

Brian Atlaslike what the fck okay thank you uh blah BL 69 appreciate it man uh so you're surf coach what else um I do a little

Mingumodeling and a very small amount of content creation um I work with kids with autism and sometimes I'm a high school substitute teacher all right and

Brian Atlasuh you're based in did you say Ventura yeah okay uh favorite surf spot um I know you want me to say rencon C Street I like SE Street's a great spot I just

Brian Atlasdon't want I don't want to blow it up even more I mean it's on Surfline yeah I know uh I don't are there are there like secret spots in

Minguvent there's no there's no more secret spots anywhere not yeah maybe a couple in Santa Barbara but you have to go up north m i is is anyways yeah uh okay

Manah/Madison (mixed)Maddie what about you my name is Madison I'm 19 years old I work for the whatever podcast I'm from San Diego California I am also a student at Santa bra City College studying business and

Rachel Wilsoncommunication and my Caucasian Rachel Wilson yes I am Mrs Andrew Wilson but you guys can call me Rachel um I'm a mom

Rachel WilsonI'm a researcher and author of this year book occult feminism secret history of women's Liberation also a certified Firearms instructor but most importantly

Rachel Wilsonthe wife of the infamous Andrew Wilson who was so good to un chain me from the stove long enough just to let me come out here so thank you very much for having me good to have you good to have

Brian Atlasyou glad we finally were able to get you on uh What uh did you say age 43 43 all right all right so going around the table once more we're going

Brian Atlasto get everybody's relationship status so are you single talking stage relationship situationship friend benefits marriage

TTS/Chat readerjust Gerald donated $69 from the whole chat and every viewer welcome to whatever Mrs Wilson There Go cult feminism blew my mind yo Dane thank

Brian Atlasyou man appreciate it good to see you in the chat thank you buddy thank you buddy okay so uh relationship status uh whatever it is if you're single how long have you been single and what's the

Manah/Madison (mixed)longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you go ahead okay um it's very complicated I'm in I guess a

Manah/Madison (mixed)situationship and I've been in this a couple situationships for two to four years so Wade are you currently in a

Brian Atlascouple situationships like you're dating multiple guys at the same time yes how many situationships are you currently in two you're in two okay uh have you been

Brian Atlasin more previously yes what's the most you've been in at the same time oh oh like simultaneously yeah this is the

Brian Atlasmost this is the most okay um and you've been seeing these two guys for how long um one of them for four years and the other one for two two years yeah well

TTS/Chat readeralmost two years have you ever been exclusive with either of them or has it always been relationship I whatever fan donated $100 contributing to the barbecue

Brian Atlassession with r CH for tonight pass the plates around and let her cook period all right whatever F thank you man barbecue session yeah in the works

Brian Atlasappreciate it dude um there's actually one more coming in so I'm going to before I ask some clarifying questions I'm going to wait and let it come through couch uncore Hopper uncore

TTS/Chat readerOutdoors donated $69 man appreciate it Andrew gave me pizza yesterday also to the Bro in white Are you a cockold

Daniellehuh no are you supposed to be the bro I guess uh that's a that's a woman also I don't know what that

TTS/Chat readermeans donated $69 my sprinkler goes like

Brian Atlasthis comes back like this nice that's that's what a sprinkler sounds like thank you thank you very much okay um so wait okay two situation chips one you've been seeing for four

Manah/Madison (mixed)years one you've been seeing for two years do they know about each other yeah yeah yeah yeah they actually got into a

Brian Atlasargument today wait today somebody DM somebody dm'd me and said that a girl who was going to be on the show today he didn't say who has

Brian Atlasbeen cheating on him but I don't know I don't know if that's you but some guy dm' me he's like a girl who's going to be on the show today who's coming on is my girlfriend and she's been cheating on

Brian Atlasme sounds sounds about right yeah no not me but that's my best friend so um that okay but but you so cuz I I'm

Manah/Madison (mixed)saying that cuz you said they got they got he started it they both started it what they made it what it is cheating they were cheating the guys were cheating yeah but I mean you said

Brian Atlasit's been I'm not going to be stupid so I'm going to cheat back I'm a little confused though because I mean you said that it's never been exclusive at any point in your relationship you said you both categorize them as situationships right well I categorize them as

TTS/Chat readersituationships because I feel like they like to both play the field okay huh Devon Jackson

TTS/Chat reader$69 wachel feminism you want to say anything to Devon hi Devon thank you for the Super Chat thank you dve home appreciate it by

Brian Atlasthe way W's in the chat for Rachel's pink look at the pink it looks good I like the people always wear like kind of more dull colors but I like I like the pink it it looks good against the

Brian Atlasbackground anyways okay so they got into a fight like a fist fight in person or like a verbal they want to they want to fight over

Manah/Madison (mixed)you does the winner gets you I think it's past that Nick you open the door it's just been dis a bunch of disrespect from both ends towards each other towards each other for like the things

Manah/Madison (mixed)that they've said um one of them actually pulled up to the house that we were staying

TTS/Chat readerat yeah word the underscore bear uncore incore thecore Woods donated 69

TTS/Chat readerwhy you keep sending your 304s into the woods we don't want your hoose either first off we use the term strumpet not 30 fo we use strumpet here

Brian Atlasat the at the whatever podcast see strumpet strumpet not 30o strumpet okay uh we need to find there's people been

Brian Atlassending me so many of these bear or Man memes the poor Bears poor Bears what do we do to the bears bears they're enjoying the free food

Daniellethough um okay uh so okay they're fighting between each other yes can I ask a question yeah go ahead

Danielleso if they are like why are they fighting if they're mad that you were cheating like why wouldn't they just break it off why would they want to like fight

Manah/Madison (mixed)more I think everybody's delusional including me okay good answer when you say you're delusional what do you

Manah/Madison (mixed)mean like I want to be a lover girl but it's hard

Manah/Madison (mixed)because I just feel like everybody just lies a lot and I feel like including me I have lied but

TTS/Chat readerum it's just it is get pooped donated $69 why is poo poo time always PP time

Brian Atlasbut PP time isn't always po po time it's actually a good question wow that is that is just some high tier

Brian Atlasthank you get booked appreciate it we'll leave that to the philosophers and the academics to figure out so um okay so

TTS/Chat readeryou lied they lied um now when it you said Dream Weaver Beaver donated

Brian Atlas$69 haikus are easy but sometimes they don't make sense refrigerator word we got another one

Brian Atlascoming in so I'll uh I'll preempt it but refrigerator hiu are oh was that a Hau that was a hiu that was beautiful that's some Shakespeare [ __ ] thank you Dream Weaver Dream Weaver Beaver D Lolly

TTS/Chat readerdonated $69 get these ladies a pen and paper Rachel's about to take y'all to class to class women choose bear to make everyone happy be eats woman is believed as the

Brian Atlasvictim and the man avoids a false accusation we have another one coming in Dylan thank you man for the TTS appreciate it thank you Dylan thank you

TTS/Chat readersir you are a legend and a scholar Rachel isore mamy donated $69 holy [ __ ] no wonder Andrew is always

TTS/Chat readerin a good mood look at his wife holy is on all of the bikes what are red flags you all have ignored in the past that you absolutely shouldn't

Brian Atlashave uh what is that directed towards you Rachel or the whole P I know what is it uh red what are red flags yall have ignored in the past that you absolutely

Brian Atlasshouldn't have so Rachel is Mommy I'm going to write that down and we'll get we'll ask that a little later on in the show just until we get through the relationship status stuff no sing guys

Brian Atlasthanks for the Super Chat stop simping red flags ignored okay

Brian Atlasso on a in an average week or average month so you were seeing two guys at the same time two situation ships how often would you be seeing each of them like

Manah/Madison (mixed)one one time per week each basically no it would be like I'll be dealing with one person and then will get into it and I'll find out about something and then I will go to the next person that I was

TTS/Chat readerdealing with and then be dealing with them when you say dealing with them do you mean like you would what do you mean dealing with bore theore cated

TTS/Chat reader69 hey Brian when you going to have some guys on that I can Farm my wife out to she is looking for a good gang bang oh this is uh okay your role

Brian Atlasplaying as a bivo uh Q's coming next week we have uh we have Jaquan coming next week nicaro for

TTS/Chat readerdonated $69 long time Watcher of both The Crucible and whatever po more shout out to Rachel Wilson I'm have feminis

Brian Atlasum all right Nick thank you man appreciate it um and then we have ripped rich and rare about to come in Nick you can hide the hide that it's about to come in

TTS/Chat readeruh thank you Nick appreciate it ripped rich and rare donated $69 you let him hit it raw you didn't have second thoughts now you're a single

TTS/Chat readermom now you're a single mom you said I'm have his kids don't care if he's here or not now you're a single mom word touche well put well put thank

Brian Atlasyou thank you for that appreciate it okay so

Brian Atlasyeah try to get through try to get through this you're currently in two situationships one you've been seeing for four years one you've been seeing for two years they know about each other they're fighting um in that in the

Brian Atlasfour-year period the 2-year period I'm assuming like have other guys come into the picture come into the picture gone out of the picture um no so you for so

Manah/Madison (mixed)you're 24 from 20 to 24 you've only been seeing these two guys is that correct um well technically one of them but so I

Manah/Madison (mixed)guess from 22 to 24 I was seeing the other one and that's when it overlap but I'm saying like there weren't even other like any other people coming into the picture at

Brian Atlasall um before I'm talking like even just a onetime casual thing no okay so two dudes like gone on a dates but not

Brian Atlaslike like when I like hooks all right all right so why haven't you like have you not been desirous of

Manah/Madison (mixed)having a long-term relationship with either of these guys I have I I wanted to but things just got really complicated just because of a lot of the stuff that they would do and um like

Manah/Madison (mixed)bring up like just I just is just like a lot of disrespect that has

Manah/Madison (mixed)happened like being disrespectful to the relationship and just cheating a lot notoriously and dealing with exes and just having stuff be really messy to the

Manah/Madison (mixed)point where like my parents are getting involved they're messaging my parents and things like that

Manah/Madison (mixed)and I've had a couple abortions because of like it was yeah just a lot of stuff I don't know if I

TTS/Chat readerwas allowed to say that word no you can that's totally fine uh okay grid One Motorsports donated $69 Mrs Wilson welcome to whatever

TTS/Chat readerplease while I know you will be tempted show no mercy the patriarchy supports you in these Endeavors and respects all your effort

Brian Atlasrespect thank you y good to see in the chat G one appreciate it man um okay so hold on this is at any point in the four years or whatever did you ever call either of these guys your boyfriend yeah

Manah/Madison (mixed)okay but you said it was a situation it's been situationships the entire time um I would say for the first one it didn't start off like like no it did

Manah/Madison (mixed)start off like a situationship and then it grew into like we're in a relationship and we defined what it was but I call it a situationship because I don't feel like he was ever treating it

Manah/Madison (mixed)like a relationship even when he did Define the relation reltionship it just wasn't like that because his actions were not lining up with his words were

Manah/Madison (mixed)you guys like exclusive at this point or was there still multiple people involved we were supposed to be exclusive so there was no exclusivity on his end so that's when I was like okay well I'm not

Manah/Madison (mixed)just going to continue to sit here and be played by somebody but you kept dating him yeah why why did you decide to keep dating

Minguhim if he was cheating cuz I'm delusional fair enough fair enough that just seems like a lot of work and like mental stress I don't know man that

Brian Atlassounds like a lot of work she's right sounds like a lot of work it is uh so okay but just to be clear so you're currently in two situationships when you said that there's overlap for example

Manah/Madison (mixed)would you see would you see Bobby on Wednesday and Trevor on Friday um no it wouldn't go like that it was more so like as soon as I'm like I find

Manah/Madison (mixed)out about something from one person cuz it's more so like on and off so as soon as I find out about something that one person did then I'm like okay I'm done with you at this moment and I'm going to

Brian Atlasgo and be with the okay in a 24-hour period have you ever hung out with both of them yeah in a 24-hour period have you ever

Manah/Madison (mixed)had carnal knowledge of both of them what is carnal knowledge physical relations of some kind sexual

Brian AtlasRel the next day sexual relation youd wait you'd be polite considerate wait till the next you know oh my God y'all this is so B 12 hours okay okay did you

Brian Atlastake a shower in between I'm just K yes all right good for you all right good times okay so maybe know protection is of course all right we maybe we'll come

Anzaback to that a little later on in the show what about you what was the question again it's been a minute don't relationship

Brian Atlasstatus um so yeah single single okay orientation bu by okay do you is it like the pretty 50-50 split there or do you

Anzamore so date women more so dat men uh I mean hard to say uh I was in a relationship for a while that was with a so I'm only now really getting to

Brian Atlasexperience the ladies yeah okay how long uh longest relationship uh nearly 3 years three years is that your most recent one yeah when did it end like

TTS/Chat readerseven months ago seven months ago who ended it me skeer uncore aversion donated $69 this skeer coochi is a graveyard a

TTS/Chat readerfew abortions that's insane murdering your Offspring instead of taking responsibility for your poor choices fellas protect your seed well like I

Brian Atlassaid I didn't want to it was something that I had to but that's another conversation okay um and then coming

Brian Atlasback to you so you've been single for 7 months you you said you ended the relationship I did why is that

Anzauh uh a lot of things um again talk about disrespect in the relationship um and uh I mean we had been arguing for I mean a good two years of that

Anzarelationships it was like why why are we still doing this and then last year was hands down the hardest year of my life and I wasn't getting the support I needed and so I thought you know if this

Anzais somebody I want to spend the rest of my life with I I'm there's going to be harder times in my life than this and if I'm not getting this support now why do I want that in the

Brian Atlasfuture okay what we're you said there was some disrespect by the way we're going to we're bumping the TTS up guys so it's just back up to the normal we're

Anzagoing to do uh 100 read 200 TTS um what was the disrespect uh for one thing uh I got DM

Anzamessages from other girls who had uh gotten messages from him mhm and uh I'd seen some of those on his phone as well

Anzaand I know he kissed a stripper and and uh what H yeah kissed a stripper mhm Spearmint

AnzaRhino was that where no I mean I wasn't I wasn't there when it happened oh okay I mean I've heard of that place yeah we have we have one in Santa barbar I did not know that

Anzaso yes we have one in Santa Monica okay okay yeah no uh yeah I was at work and that happened so he's cheating basically yeah yeah okay good times yeah uh I mean

Brian AtlasI could never of course confirm if he actually went to those girls places but prior to this relationship with him did you date any girls or have any any romantic or sexual relationships with any women no I mean I was always into

Brian Atlasthem but uh it just never happen yeah okay but post your three-year relationship you have had some uh relationships with women or shortterm say relationships but I've definitely

Brian Atlasbeen involved yeah okay all right and do you have like a I know you said your but you like have a preference more so towards men women or about the same about the same about the same okay

Brian Atlasare you currently seeing or you said you you're single right but is there anybody in the picture even anything I mean I'm going on dates you got cuz I feel like

Anzayou got Riz well thank you I try so like you probably got like a roster right I mean like you got on the dating apps you

Brian Atlasgot you got like side pieces and [ __ ] sure sure like you just will go on the date and just bust out some Opera it's like a it's a done deal right

Anzait's like a oh yeah that's really what gets them yeah no um yeah I mean there's some people okay uh so you do have a roster then currently or I mean I want

Anzato say there's only like a handful not like not it's only even a full hand so like three yeah three four talking how many girls currently not as many as you think they're harder to talk to it's a

Brian Atlaslittle harder okay yeah yeah wait what I saids oh okay uh so like would you say you're currently kind of like talking stage like maybe two girls two

Anzaguys something like that or I say there's like one girl one girl and yeah one guy two guys maybe two two guys maybe cuz some are like in the starting stages of like maybe yeah are you

Brian Atlaspully no okay so you would you would be desirous of monogamous relationship yeah okay and do you currently want a relationship or are you kind of happy to keep things bit more casual for the time

Anzabeing I think it's getting to that point where I might want to get more serious but I'm just kind of going with the flow if it feels right it feels right I don't want any expectations with anybody you know I don't want to force the

Ebony Janexpectation of we're going to get in a relationship that just feels weird okay yeah all right what about you I am currently single I just got out of a toxic relationship ship my longest

Ebony Janrelationship is 5 years but the last relationship was say three and a half when did your last relationship end

Ebony Janum let's say like December so six seven months ago yeah and that was the 3.5 year relationship yep who ended

Ebony Janit I did first but then we lived we live on again off oh okay yeah we lived together and I think we're still trying to make it work and then he agreed so to the breakup yeah okay he didn't

Ebony Janaccept it at first but so who ended it first I did why um because he was super controlling and he would fill every space that I was in with negative

Ebony Janenergy everywhere when you say super controlling what were what are some examples of that um didn't want me to do music mhm didn't want me to hang out didn't want me to go outside didn't like

Brian Atlasany of my friends kind of isolated me a little bit mhm even from family a little bit when you say didn't when you say didn't want you to go out do you mean like bars and clubs yeah but he also didn't want to go out like with me

Brian Atlaseither like he really didn't enjoy outside either but I did so when you say so when you're saying outside you mean like out partying yeah like even just like doing stuff like like going for a

Ebony Janhike say like I want to take a trip or I want to like we've taken trips and we we went to the clubs he loved the strip club he he loved the strip club I okay so crazy enough I love the strip as well

Brian Atlasand I introduced him to the strip club however did you used to dance no never danced but I love girls as well by okay you're uh orientation by by okay yeah I

Brian Atlaswant to marry a man and I like girls for poly situations you like women for poly situations okay have you had that before yes okay have you cuz you said you

Ebony Janliving together with your ex mhm have you ever lived in a poly situation for about 2 months what was it like what was the arrangement um well it was me and my

Ebony Janex and then we brought in a friend of mine and it was pretty good except on his end he kind of got jealous low key so we were spending a lot of time together me and the girl and then he

Ebony Jandidn't like that he didn't really like her too much in the first place but can I ask why you said you want to marry a man yeah um because I do believe in having a man that's like the leader of a

Ebony Janhousehold but I also like want me and my girlfriend or my like I don't know I'm not sure if I do the uh wife situation maybe for the right person but I'd like

Rachel Wilsonto have fun I don't want to be stuck to one person for the rest of my life and just so then what's the point of marriage like what do you think marriage is for well I think that is sharing a life a partner okay but if you're sharing your

Ebony Janpartner then what's the point I feel like if me and my partner are locked in enough that it and there's nothing that can shake us another person wouldn't be able to affect that what

Ebony Janabout kidss in a situation like that so this is what I think about as well um I'm not opposed to living an alternative life and explaining to my kids and I feel like at the end of the day you have your family that comes in no matter if you have like an Auntie or

Ebony Januncle or somebody that comes in has influence so it's like as long as the influence isn't negative I think it'd be okay okay may have some followups for

Daniellethat later but sure I'm still figuring it out so relationship status yeah I'm married I've been married for 4 years as of like two weeks ago and I my longest

Brian Atlasrelationship is with my husband we've been together for seven years seven years okay so you were you guys High School sweethearts we were okay and let

Danielleme just check my notes here um but you have dated other people in the past right yeah yeah I have so I mean I my my

Daniellehusband was like my first serious relationship mhm but I definitely dated and kissed other guys in high school but

DanielleI was never in like an official relationship with anyone and my lifestyle before I met my husband was also very different what um are you

DanielleMormon I am I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ Yeah we actually don't prefer to be called Mormons it changed well it's just it's a derogatory term

Daniellewas actually given to us by people wait is it yeah I mean it was given by people who persecuted like the early Saints of our church so we prefer to be called Mormon self identify as Mormons I mean yeah we kind of accepted it at some

Daniellepoint like we were like yeah you can call us Mormon like we're Mormons but we don't like to be called Mormons now now yeah we don't I when when did that I feel like 2018 Mormons called themselves

Rachel WilsonMormons 2018 that that was the switch are you aware of this Rachel the switch true okay no I I mean I hear them call themselves LDS

Danielleor mainstream LDS or like fundamental or oh no I'm like Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints so not fundamentalists nothing like that yeah okay so it's a is

Danielleit a slur to call somebody a Mormon I mean to find slur it's just like you said it was derogatory I think was a word yeah the word I used as derogatory derogatory I guess I would just say like

Danielleit's not a respectful term to us because we we just believe that we are members of the Church of Jesus Christ and so we prefer to be called members of the

Daniellechurch or LDS as well um but yeah we just we want to identify ourselves as Disciples of Jesus Christ and we feel like as people were calling us Mormons it was kind of taking away the fact that

Brian Atlaswe follow Jesus Christ and so we wanted that to be identified Okay cool so but you you said something along the lines of

Danielleyou didn't always used to be or you weren't always the way you are now what do you mean by that yeah so I I was baptized into the church when I was 8

Danielleyears old but I went in and out of activity a ton um and for the most part I really wasn't active I had great examples in my life but it wasn't something that I really wanted to adhere

Danielleto and when I moved in with some family in high schol School my husband lived two doors down and he was a member of the church and he just befriended me and

DanielleI just saw a light in him that I didn't really see in other people and I just appreciated his example and so we were really good friends for like a year and a half and then he kind of confessed his

Daniellelove to me and I was like you're my best friend like don't want to date you don't want to lose you that way and he made it out of the friend

Rachel Wilsonzone nice how did he do that what got him out of the friend zone yeah I think just being a friend that's awesome good for

Brian Atlasyou buddy okay so did you when you say like you were different back then or were you like more in terms of politics you were more liberal um no I would not say I was

Danielleliberal I'd say that I just didn't have like I didn't have a Direction so I wasn't like sure where I was going or

Daniellewhat my standards were but I like I didn't okay do anything like severely bad I just didn't know what was important to me at the time did you go

Danielleto BYU no okay wait why did you laugh at that um because like there's this whole BYU is in Provo and there's this whole

Daniellelike Provo girl thing and like what's that what's a proo girl oh man um and obviously not everyone who goes to V is a Provo girl I don't want to like say

Daniellethat what what is that but a Provo girl is just like a girl that claims to be so virtuous and good but is hiding behind

Daniellethe standards of our church hiding behind the standards they they claim to be church members but they

Brian Atlasdon't act that way and they're mean and they're mean yeah mean they're mean okay isn't there like in order to go the

DanielleBYU don't you have to take like certain like a pled Purity pledge or something no you have to agree to the standards of the University like it's a private university so you have to well

Danielleyou can't like cab you can't be in the same room as a man so depending on like oh no like they have Co bedroom I mean a you can be in the same classroom but you can't like go over to like a GU dorm I

Rachel Wilsonthink right you can you just can't like be in their room and sleep with them and okay yeah don't they do some sussy stuff like the soaking and whatnot like isn't there some is there some weird work

Daniellearounds yeah so there there's soaking and there's also a um is that an LDS thing I mean I think that Mormon thing like it's been claimed in Provo I don't

Danielleknow if it's like so an LDS thing but I think there's people of religion who also do it because it feels makes them feel like they have like this out but it's basically you are literally having

Daniellesexual intercourse course but it's like if you don't it doesn't count yeah for a scenario it'd be like you'd go to your friend and you'd be like can you move

Daniellethe bed for me type thing does that happen is that actually a thing yes it is a thing and there's people like who would also drive to like cuz we don't believe in having sex before marriage

Danielleand so there's people who will like drive to Las Vegas and get married have sex and then like get it unn olded wow but it's like God knows your intent so you're not really cheating anyone but

Danielleyourself but yeah the dering thing is or the what is it soaking soaking yeah there's a lot of weird terms so my understanding of soaking just for the audience viewers or the panelists who

Brian Atlasdon't know what that is it's a sexual practice the man inserts the penis into the vagina but there can be no subsequent

Daniellethrusting nothing can't be no there can't be somebody can move the bed that's why it's called soaking but someone else moves the bed for you it

Mingusomehow is Good Times okay um yeah it's weird okay I'm not going to say thir person moving the bed I think is the weirdest right like who would you trust enough that's a lot of work yeah that's um how long do you have to do like move

Daniellethe bed for I don't know however long it takes that's crazy prob a lot longer than regular

Minguintercourse Good Times bigger workout for the person not involved though for sure okay and then uh what about you uh

MinguI am married for I just celebrated two years the other day um and that's my longest relationship were how long are you dating before wait you've been married for two years yeah married for two how

Brian Atlaslong were you dating before you got married uh I think we were dating for about 6 years okay so together for like 8 years total yeah okay and that's your longest relationship ship so you've been

Brian Atlastogether from uh like 24 to 32 basically sure yeah okay all right how did you guys meet surfing surfing SE Street yeah he was in my hood and i' be like who is

Brian Atlasthis guy okay nice how B how big was it was it like ankle slappers like it was a pretty shitty day it was a pretty shitty day probably [ __ ] all right I'll just like

Minguhit on a girl and I approached him actually well I had a friend introduce us and my friend didn't want to wait hold on okay you're you were out surfing

Minguwith a girlfriend no just by myself oh just but you said you had a friend introduced oh well like you know surfing we it's like it's a community you know each other yeah you see you see the same

Mingupeople at the same spots and then I noticed my friend talking to my husband and I was like hey he's cute make it happen was your friend a female friend or male friend male friend male friend

Brian Atlasthere's not a lot of females yeah there's not a lot of female Surfers um so he was talking to your now husband and well he didn't want to introduce us he was like trying to like wait you're

Mingumy friend my friend's like a you don't want to date him why is that um I think my friend liked me oh yeah but you didn't like him no but you liked his friend

Minguyes so he introduced you anyways though no I was like step aside I got this oh okay okay so you you paddled up to him we were all hanging out in the parking

Mingulot after after the surf oh okay yeah but um he's he's surfed in like at se Street for a very long time and I've just never really had the long board or

Mingushort barder well we're both he grew up short boarding and I turned him to the dark side and he's a longboarder now oh

Minguokay all right um uh so yeah twin fin Tri fin he does it all me yeah him he he serves it all he has a fun little like 58 fish okay that he likes and then now

Mingudoes he what's that what's it called kneeboarding spoon does he spoon does he got a spoon I mean I spoon him um um no he actually he boogie boards sometimes

Minguhe said sometimes only only when it's like like he's a sponger no no no no no damn bro you got you got to divorce this guy I'm sorry listen though only when it's like insane barreling you can't fit

Minguinto the barrel standing up on a board he'll pull in with it the sponge and he'll like that's the only time he'll be on a boogie board wait what's that wet uh like the wedge does he ever surf the

Brian Atlaswedge is that s is that San Clement that's Newport Newport cuz like that's you don't want to really I mean you can surf it but it's mostly like SP I don't know if he has surfed there Boogie

Brian Atlasboarded there okay we don't really like but he'll go out he'll sponge like on just a big day where okay yeah so what was your opening line um

Minguum actually okay so let me so we meet in the parking lot I don't really like try to do I'm just like hi introduce myself and it turns out that we lived on the

Mingusame street MH and we the street that we lived on had an HOA and him and his buddy um are fishermen too so they had a boat in the driveway they would always get yelled at and there was like drama in the HOA like these guys always have

Mingutheir boat in the yard and so I drove by and I screamed out the window like get that boat off the driveway and it freaked him out and I felt bad so i s back around and I was like hey I'm just kidding Let's uh go surf that was a joke

Brian Atlasand I was like can I get your digits all right and the rest is history yeah and your friend tried to warn you off of him though like yeah how so said that he's like does drugs and

Mingustuff like that and it's does he did he not at that time no it's fur this from the truth okay yeah he's he's a very good man

Rachel Wilsonokay good times good times and uh well Rachel what about you well I've been married to the most based handsome Chad

Rachel Wilsonof all time for over a decade now uh definitely my longest relationship 17 years now he's been the guy for me so all right yeah and uh you guys have uh

Brian Atlassome kids what about you do you guys have kids no not yet planning to though we're thinking about it thinking about it thinking about it thinking about it does he want kids cuz you're you're 32

Minguright yeah he yeah tick Tok yeah we're we're we are talking about it he's he has a lot of hobbies that keep them him like very occupied and I also enjoy

Brian Atlashobbies and it's tough to do with kids definitely well I mean with surfing too I mean that's kind of like especially if that's your passion if you have kids that's going to complicate absolutely

Minguthe whole surfing thing so I kind of I kind of get that um is he is he a professional Surfer or um he's not I am

Mingubut he is obsessed with fishing he that is his first love and I think I'm his second okay uh kids no kids currently no

Brian Atlasplanning to definitely do you do you know how many you want um an even number probably four we'll see whatever God gives me okay all right cool sorry guys

Brian Atlasmad I'm getting a text from Madison here all right so we're going to read a couple chats here then we'll get into some topics uh pull that back up Nick I'll read it actually let's have the opera singer

Anzaread it go ahead uh just got out of the minds and used my hard-earned money to tell the strumpets to stop trumpeting Around Jesus can and will forgive all strumpet actions the spiritual warfare is very

Brian Atlasreal protect your heart there are very real consequences to being a strumpet lol l yo yes thank you man appreciate it um appreciate you helping me repop poize

Brian Atlasthe term strumpet it is a war effort so uh thank you for the Super Chat man really appreciate your patronage uh what is that true working hard he got out of the

Brian Atlasmins the mines damn what are you what are you mining dude gold diamonds Bitcoin Bitcoin World World of Warcraft M and then we have Anthony Thomas hey all long time you over the Pod to miss a

Brian Atlasfew abortions unless child birth was life-threatening which I doubt could possibly make you have to end life grab your popcorn folks uh if you want to

Manah/Madison (mixed)respond to that you're welcome to um actually I was born with a heart mmur so you know people don't know everything but word wait I'm a little confused

Manah/Madison (mixed)though you were born with heart murmur mhm it could have your point it could have been lifethreatening if cuz there's a lot of things that can happen during

Manah/Madison (mixed)child birth but also just the fact that I was like his forced to so forced to like by the guy or yeah well how did he

Manah/Madison (mixed)Force you he just didn't want me to have kids with him and he just was screaming at me and basically like every time just drove

Rachel Wilsonme there I even like the last one I like tried to just keep it like a secret but I couldn't and then you got back with this guy even after that yeah oh girl

Danielleyeah why I couldn't give you a real uh reason that makes sense yeah why didn't you decide to just stop telling him if he

Daniellewas like like why didn't you decide I don't need to tell him I can get my resources and raise this baby at one point we were living together mhm um my

Manah/Madison (mixed)body is like very sensitive so it was like at that point it was like we just both knew like something up do you not have family that can help you or that

Manah/Madison (mixed)you could move in with um I mean I I stay well actually we stay together now but um at that point it was like No And

Manah/Madison (mixed)then my family is not like the most financially stable people and my mom is also the type of person she's like if you bring a child home like you are definitely like taking care of it it's not the village or whatever she's like

Manah/Madison (mixed)I'm not I'm not doing none of that and especially if I'm not stable my myself yet she's like absolutely not she would

Rachel Wilsonshe she kicked me out of 17 so yeah word did you have followup on that ritual well I actually had a really similar thing my mother is completely

Rachel Wilsonuninvolved wants nothing to do with being a mother or a grandmother uh not uninvolved oh my my my parents were like nope no we're not helping if you have

Rachel Wilsonkids it's on your own but I have five so um and it wasn't always easy but yeah if you want to you can do it um but it's I kind of wonder why so many girls

Manah/Madison (mixed)are willing to do the thing that makes babies with guys that and repeatedly the guy doesn't want babies

Manah/Madison (mixed)like yeah honestly I I really can't give a straight answer for that I feel like

Manah/Madison (mixed)um before I got involved with this person um my ex passed away so I kind of when I met him a few months after that I probably should have taken more time to

Manah/Madison (mixed)grieve I feel like I never really allowed myself to grieve I don't really handle that stuff well I kind of just put everything on the back burner when it comes to emotions and things until I

Manah/Madison (mixed)do blow up which is not healthy and I'm aware of that but um I feel like I just latched on to him and I felt like I

Manah/Madison (mixed)needed him at a certain point point and I still feel like sometimes I if I'm being honest with myself I do feel that

Rachel WilsonI need him in certain aspects of my life and really I don't but my I do well I think you probably really do need and benefit from having like a

Rachel Wilsonstrong good man who can lead you in your life but this doesn't sound like that yeah so like when you're dating or when you're choosing a guy like what are you thinking about marrying somebody who's going to like be there through thick and

Rachel Wilsonthin and take care of you no matter what or you just kind of going for whoever's cute and funny or like what what are you thinking of when you're choosing a guy I feel like right now um I just haven't

Manah/Madison (mixed)been making like good decisions when I'm thinking about choosing um men obviously but I feel like for the future I do want to get

Manah/Madison (mixed)married and have kids and stuff like that but I just feel like I this generation is so like messed

Manah/Madison (mixed)up and I feel like I'm I could just have stayed true to me and not fed into all

Manah/Madison (mixed)of the toxicity but I feel like I allowed it and have continuously been allowing it to mold me into someone else

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