CONFRONTING Daisy Chen?! ROAST Episode! Andrew Wilson! Are They VICTIMS?! | Dating Talk #160

Date: 2024-05-13

Duration: 7h 12m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKelly (DT162)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Noel(guest)

SPEAKER_03Christine(guest)

SPEAKER_04Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Daisy Chen(guest)

SPEAKER_14Destiny(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDaisy admits revenge motive: "I'm here to take you down" — played from her own video; then admits "that's my revenge to be honest he hurt me I want to hurt him"

ControversyDaisy admits premeditated recording: she recorded the phone call with Walter before the call ended, intending to release it as revenge

QuoteDaisy on her motivation: "I've never done this to anyone in my life — people have hurt me in the past — just the fact he took that away from you... that's why I have so much hate"

QuoteNoel reveals prior violent coerced abortion by a different ex-boyfriend (not Walter): "he dragged me by the hair into his car and drove me two hours away somewhere I didn't know and literally quite literally forced me... I ended up in the hospital"

ControversyAndrew accuses Daisy of entrapment and felony: "you came in on a student visa you committed a felony by recording him and then releasing it — and on top of that... your entire motivation around this was purely Revenge related"

ControversyAndrew demands Daisy and Noel leave the studio: "Get the f*** out of here. Your stories are bullshit." Brian declines to kick them. Daisy and Noel stay but leave voluntarily later (~6:46 mark).

ControversyAndrew calls Daisy a murderer on Mother's Day during live broadcast: "you murdered your child. Happy Mother's Day. Murderer." — Daisy had stated the abortion was not murder from her Buddhist worldview

QuoteSelf-ratings round: Daisy 8, Noel 7-8, Destiny 10 (for right person), Kelly 6, Christine ~6, Gustavo 7, Andrew ~3-5.

ControversyAndrew questions Daisy about Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Tiananmen Square; speculates she may be a CCP spy/agent. Daisy refuses to answer any political questions. Brian skeptical but amused.

QuoteDaisy shows $30,000 bracelet at table: she and Walter each paid $15K for the real one after he first gave her a fake $30K bracelet. She threw the fake one back in his face.

QuoteDaisy and Noel voluntarily leave the show during the roast section after sustained hostility from Andrew and TTS donations.

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Brian introduces panel. Each guest states name, age, location, occupation, relationship status. Daisy details plastic surgery history; Brian shows before/after Instagram photos. Noel discusses traditional values, monogamy, nuclear family, and all her relationships involving cheating. Kelly declines to share story about boyfriend. Christine discusses relationship/overlap with frat guy. Andrew Wilson introduced last.

Daisy Chen background and plastic surgery review

Brian reviews Daisy's pre-surgery Instagram photos (2013, 2015, 2018, 2020). Discussion of breast augmentation, nose job, eyelid surgery. Panel asked about views on plastic surgery. Poll on before/after preference.

Noel traditional values discussion

Noel discusses importance of nuclear family, monogamy, traditional marriage. Debate on criminalizing infidelity. Panel opinions on cheating laws.

Daisy and Walter timeline confrontation

Daisy gives timeline of relationship with Walter (Fresh and Fit): met Nov 2023, official Dec 2023, visited Miami, got pregnant, Walter broke up March 25, found out pregnant April 1, had abortion. Played excerpts from leaked phone call. Showed DM receipts. Admitted to premeditated revenge recording.

Abortion debate and coercion arguments

Extended debate on whether Walter coerced Daisy into abortion. Andrew Wilson interrogates Daisy and Noel on responsibility, choice, coercion definitions. Covers abortion law, coercion statutes, Buddhist and Christian views on abortion, mutual responsibility for unprotected sex. Brian argues Daisy escalated by leaking calls; Daisy says it was revenge and warns other women.

Noel's encounter with Walter and consent discussion

Noel describes her encounter with Walter: flown to Miami, unprotected sex, he finished inside her without warning first time. Took Plan B. Discussion of consent, responsibility, and whether this was coercion.

Paternity question

Andrew questions whether the pregnancy was definitively Walter's child. Daisy argues Walter never denied it; he had a vasectomy rumor (addressed). No DNA test done (pregnancy terminated). Daisy had ultrasound at ~4-5 weeks.

Noel's prior coerced abortion (violent ex)

Noel briefly reveals a prior violent coerced abortion by a different ex-boyfriend (physically dragged her to clinic, she ended up hospitalized). Distinct from Walter situation.

Traditional segment (Destiny Instagram review)

Brian pulls up Destiny's Instagram to assess if she is "traditional." Bikini/booty photos visible. Discussion: traditional in relationship but not in public presentation.

Destiny's ex-cousin story

Destiny recounts that in high school her ex-boyfriend confessed to having sexual relationship with his male cousin since age 10. She had suspected infidelity; confronted him.

Self-ratings (1-10 scale)

Brian asks each guest to rate looks 1-10. Daisy: 8, Noel: 7-8, Destiny: 10 (for right person), Kelly: 6, Christine: ~6, Gustavo: 7, Andrew: ~3-5. Extended debate on what a 10 means after Destiny claims 10.

Ateri's story (cheating while mother hospitalized)

Ateri recounts that her ex cheated on her while her mother was dying in hospital. Step-father had also recently died. She hasn't dated since.

CCP and political accusations against Daisy

Andrew accuses Daisy of being a CCP agent after she refuses to answer questions about Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Tiananmen Square. Brian skeptical of the CCP angle; Daisy denies.

Brian's dating type / panel type discussion

Maddie identifies Brian's type: small women (height starts with 4), white or Asian, minimal makeup, no plastic surgery, no promiscuous past, no mental illness. Kelly mentions Brian and a previous guest 'Emily.'

Bumble swiping segment

Each guest given 20 Bumble profile swipes. Most guests had 0 or very few yes swipes. Brian also does female profiles segment. Discussion of pickiness and photo quality.

Chaos/roast section and Daisy/Noel departure

TTS donation roast messages at $20 threshold. Heavy anti-Daisy/Noel content. Champagne opened (Jeremy $1000 donation). Brian tipsy. Daisy and Noel leave ~6:46 mark. Body count round at close: Gustavo: mentioned; Madison: no longer answers; others not captured.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaspeople don't believe me even I show all the receipt well but you had not gone public at this point like when you recorded the conversation this was still

Daisy ChenA Private Matter yeah I did it because I want to prove it want to prove what I want to prove that I am pregnant with his child and he

Daisy Chendoes but proof to who proof to everybody but it it wasn't public yet yeah but I did this in advance so I can show people whatever I'm showing right now as people

Daisy Chencan see I have showed all the receipt and they still don't believe in me so what if you think I don't have the record they're going to say you're not pregnant but so at what point prior to the recorded phone call the leaked phone

Daisy Chencall conversation at what point did you make the determination that I'm going to go public with this um first time I reached him out he told me um no he

Daisy Chendoesn't want the baby so then four days he ignored me mhm so then I was like okay I'm going to give him some time but 4 days he hasn't reached me out he didn't text you or he didn't text me he

Brian Atlasdidn't do anything so you texted him hey I'm pregnant and he didn't respond yeah he said I don't want a kid I just don't want a kid oh no so he did respond first time I text him yes he did he responded

Daisy Chenimmediately right okay but then you followed up yeah then like so first time I did the pregnancy task it wasn't like very clear it's a cross but you know uh

Daisy ChenI thought maybe he thinks like I'm trying to trick him or something so I just double sh and went to the hospital I did a blood test four days later I

Daisy Chentext him again this is the blood test then I told my friend maybe it's time to record it

Daisy Chenbecause in my head I was very upset and emotional why because I know this guy doesn't want to take responsibility well how do you know that

Daisy Chenbecause he broke up me for for well he broke up with you but it's not clear he broke up with me for no reason you're not in my position that's why you DET

Brian Atlasbecause I moved from China mhm for him he broke up do you think it's wrong to break up with somebody for like it's all right to break up you can break up with anybody for any reason right right

Daisy Chenthat's okay that's all right but just because of that I kind of sense that he's not like a responsible man cuz he broke up with you right in that way cuz

Daisy ChenI'm here alone in this country I had all my package delivered to his apartment right you care for him yes I moved from China I had all my package I I couldn't

Brian Atlaseven wait cuz he was telling me you you should go but okay you say that he he it didn't seem like he was going to take responsibility what kind of

Brian Atlasresponsibility were you hoping he let's say you continued on with a pregnancy what responsibility were you hoping he would take at least to take the responsibility as to be a father be there for the kids okay so you wanted

Brian Atlashim to be involved with the parenting right okay um and it seemed at that point he would have been unwilling to do that yes okay all right um why we play

Brian Atlasthe video and then we'll go from there go ahead Nick I don't want to kill

SPEAKER_07nobody I don't want to you're not they just give you a pill and it's over no no I'm pregnant no but that's what I'm saying the pill they just give it to you from

Daisy Chenthe doctor and then you're good I am pregnant I can't pretending like nothing happened I can't in My Religion we don't kill you're not

SPEAKER_07killing okay I want to keep the baby okay well like I said I just don't want any

Daisy Chenkids no okay so what you going to do and what you going to do to me

Daisy Chennothing what why I do anything to you nothing what why did I do anything to you no I know so like how you going to deal with

Daisy Chenthis by by saying I don't want a baby that's

SPEAKER_07all I

Daisy Chenmean to the doctor I guess to the doctor so you want

SPEAKER_07abortion I mean yeah why do you want a kid know and why do you make me pregnant now that's I'm like there's no way that

Daisy Chenthat's true but then I oh wow like so just think about it it's mean to

Daisy Chenbe God wants God wants you to have the baby definitely not it is God want you to have a baby seven years never happened and then you're Rel in the Rel

Daisy Chenyou're [ __ ] me for a month and I'm pregnant what does that mean well now I just think about if like if you forc me to kill the baby then you a

Brian Atlassin well we already s having sex but it's too late now you know but

Brian Atlashonest um at the very end there you say uh force you to get an abortion um is your position that he forced you cuz you got you ended up

Daisy Chengetting the abortion correct yeah is your position that he for forced you to get the abortion yes I tell you why because we both plan the baby and

TTS/DonationsI'm not a both on birth control wait so I wanted to have Trump donated $200 I hope she realizes that recording a conversation without both parties

TTS/Donationsconsent is a felony in Florida and once Trump is back she'll be deported faster than the Japanese running from Godzilla okay thank you um thanks for the 200 um

Daisy Chenum wait so hold on uh go ahead with what you were saying uh so um we actually both plan to

Daisy Chenhave the baby and I want to have this C circum stand when the father is there wait he just to be clear he he planned to have the baby yeah wait because you

Brian Atlasonly dated for a month no we dated four months for four months and you wanted to have his baby he told you he wants to have a

Daisy Chenkid he said if it happens it happens okay he asked me what if you get pregnant I said I'm going to keep the

Daisy Chenbaby because I want to have a baby with you and I'm 28 I'm ready to have a kid why did you want to have his I just think like in four months I was in love

Brian Atlasyeah yeah I was in love I I have just some more questions though but um yeah it just seems very so okay he said he wanted to have a kid with you I mean we know like you had some tweets that you

Brian Atlasalso released or excuse me not tweets uh text messages that you guys that you released which uh indicated that you guys were perhaps not being safe uh I won't get into more detail but you guys

Brian Atlaswere not being safe on that front you were not on birth control is my understanding were you taking Plan B at all or no plan B no he he not he me every day okay as you guys know he does that to many girls not just me all well

Background/ProductionI don't know the details of that but was he doing that with other girls when you guys were together the one next to me I'm sorry so okay so I'm a little confused though s I'm

Brian Atlasjust kind of every everybody already knows yeah yeah so you I'm just a bit bit confused here um you said it's against your religion to get abortion and you're a Buddhist I'm Buddhist I

Andrew Wilsondon't believe in cure anything like even the uh ANS okay yeah but but wait Andrew the reason you don't believe that is because why the reason you don't believe you should kill anything in Buddhism is for what purpose it's because in

Daisy ChenBuddhism religions we don't believe in do anything harm to any to people or to animals right if we do that we go to if we do that we go to hell yeah so this

Andrew Wilsonwould be in your estimation a person correct what does that mean that means that the baby that you were carrying it was a person from your worldview it was

Brian Atlasa person it was a person it was thank you for the gifted 20 memberships um guys I'm going to actually put a brief temporary pause on the TTS just so we

Brian Atlascan get through this without interruptions um Andrew if I'm down to have you come in on this yeah yeah no problem are you cool want clarification on that point okay cool cool cool I just want to try to get through my questions

Brian Atlasand I'll totally open it up to you Andrew um so you are a Buddhist though yes okay and in the under the Buddhist is the Buddhist position like

Daisy Chenlike abortion is uh it's not allowed within that Fai uh I I want to correct that when I say that I was very emotional and my as you guys know

Daisy ChenEnglish it's not my sure okay so I meant in Buddhism we don't believe in kill anybody or doing anything harm to people because we want to be kind to everybody

Daisy Chenright and that's how I feel when I'm surrounding with people I'm always trying to be honest but I just can't keep the baby because they

Daisy Chenare harassing me after they hired many people and they made many allegations on me I don't want my kid's father to H to behave like that and I don't want to be

Daisy Chena single mother I just have to be realistic I have to be responsible for my life and my kid I don't want my baby

Brian Atlasfather is this type of guy you know they were making Jokes wait but even I think even in that conversation it sounded

Brian Atlaslike you did want him to be I mean you were having sex with him sleeping with him I did you did want him to be the father Yes okay yes before

Daisy Cheneven when I had the conversation with him I was sure I want to keep the baby 100% okay did you want to marry him I don't care about marriage I don't

Brian Atlasbelieve in marriage wait so okay well um but you did say like in that phone conver ation that you don't want to kill the baby it's against your religion it's

Daisy Chenagainst Buddhism you said you wanted to keep the baby yes but you did ultimately get the abortion I did because after everything happened they were harass internet harassing me uh while I'm

Daisy Chenpregnant uh he didn't show up doesn't respond everything instead they they the whole group people would insult me on internet and they were saying they were

Daisy Chencelebrating me being a single mother make playing a song like you let him hit in a rle now you're single mother the song well I mean but do you think that and then also I found out other things

Daisy Chenabout him that he was doing this to many other girl and he also mentioned H Mary he brought a girl that well hold on let let's stay let's just stay focused on on

Brian Atlasyour specific um relationship with him so um how far how far long when you told

Brian Atlashim were you four weeks 5 weeks 6 weeks pregnant uh when I told him it was like probably less than four weeks less than

Brian Atlasfour weeks okay and then so and is that how long from when you told him to when you recorded the that phone call four days four days and then

Brian Atlasfrom the point that you recorded the phone call how soon after did you release the phone call to the internet uh like few days later few days later

Daisy Chenyeah okay well wait I don't really remember when I recorded but I know when I I released it a few days later not immediately okay and I mean you're

Brian Atlassaying though he was hesitant to be involved I mean certainly look I mean even if it was the case that he he I mean you could you can't force him to be involved in terms of parentage but I

Brian Atlasmean there would have been there would have been some sort of uh child support payment for example but I don't want a child support I want my baby father to be there okay well but I mean don't you

Brian Atlasthink I mean this is from the time you told him to the point that you released all of this on the internet it sounds like maybe only about what 7 days went by yeah I mean so I mean for most men I

Brian Atlaswould assume it's pretty can be pretty shocking especially someone who you just broke up with takes time to process that sort of thing I mean don't you feel like

Brian Atlasyou kind of took the first shot in all of this no well you I mean you leaked the private conversation yeah I leaked yeah I mean but don't you think that that was an escalation in this you can

Brian Atlassay that you know he wasn't being responsive to you but this was an escalation on your part by making this public and then of course I mean I from perhaps his perspective he would be less

Brian Atlasinclined to want to communicate with you further because when he did communicate with you he called you on the phone you recorded it which was a private conversation Al even if I didn't leak the message he wouldn't take take the

Daisy Chenresponsibility well how do you know that you gave him one week and then you you went nuclear based on how how we find out who he is later he basically

Daisy Chentricks women buys fake stuff to trick women and also made other woman pregnant Al also on the phone records I asked him have you ever made anyone pregnant

Daisy Chenbefore he said yes sure he made his ex-wife getting abortion so for me in my head I was like okay this man doesn't want to take responsibilities and also

Daisy Chenwe we didn't use protection he just kind of like nodding me every day mhm and also I wanted to have the kid you know so for me if you don't want a kid just

Brian Atlastell me simply tell me baby I don't want a kid get a plan B but don't you think in that's all but I mean don't you think in furtherance of either a Reconciliation of your relationship or

Brian Atlasif that was just never going to be possible you guys reconciling romantically uh having him involved as a parent don't you think extending him

Brian Atlasjust the most basic courtesy of keeping this whole thing private could have been in furtherance of you know him being involved

Daisy Chenpotentially I really don't know I'm not sure but I'll tell you why I decided when the moment I decide to leak the message it's because when he text me I

Daisy Chenwant to get other four girls tested Okay so so can you imagine when your boyfriend telling you that while you're pregnant he pregn pregnancy test

Daisy Chenor something pregnancy test he so he admitted that he was seeing other four girls at the same time uh having sex without protection and nothing them so

Brian Atlasfor me I was no I didn't know that for me I know but earlier on in the conversation you said you don't object to a man having sex with other women I don't but he was telling me there's no

Daisy Chenother girl and there not you and even if I do sing other girl I use protection so he kind of like always avoid me like avoid this conversation he just said I'm

Daisy Chennot seeing other girl plus when I was with him two weeks mostly he was with me 24 hours except the three days when he tried to break up with me he just like

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)he disappeared for 3 days so so four trying to break up with you yeah he disappeared for 3 days why did you want him to be your baby's father I was in love but like I know I'm just

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)like I just want to know like what what did you think that was like so great about him that to make you want him like cuz that's a big title to have like whoever you choose to be your child's

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)father is a big choice I was in love that's so yeah was that your first time in love sorry was that your first time in love or first

Brian Atlastime first time in love ever first time I wanted to have kid with somebody um all right so and then at the end of that video you were Mak

Brian Atlasyou were saying something about him uh forcing you to get an abortion and I'm just a little confused there how did he force you to get an abortion it was like kind of like misunderstood with my

Daisy ChenEnglish translated in English that means like if you ask me for a abortion no I didn't mean forc me cuz I know I'm adult

Brian AtlasI can make my own decision okay yeah uh and then you guys together you and Noel you guys did make a video titled uh yeah

Brian Atlaswe did uh Nick are you able to pull that up no no no no no it's are you're pulling up the Reddit video okay no no no no no no no stop stop stop Nick the

Brian AtlasYouTube video please um what and what was the title of that video we are the victims so and so just

Brian Atlasbefore we we pull that up uh do you guys consider yourselves to be victims of Walter yes so he victimized you yes I don't feel quite victim but I do feel like I was played well you said we so

Brian Atlasthe title of the video is we are the victims so I mean you were both in the video so I would assume that means that we both and and other girls other women too other women victims of what

Brian Atlasprecisely [Music] um a crime uh I wouldn't say say a crime but emotionally damaged it emotional D

Daisy Chenemotionally damaged emotional abuse um for me yes was he just like dating all of you guys like he was dating like different woman but he kind

Brian Atlasof made me like his man girl how was when you say he was emotional abuse What specifically uh when he find out I'm

Daisy Chenpregnant instead of standing up and WIP it up he told his partner make allegations about me pull up some fake videos about me saying I'm escort well

Daisy Chencalling me a hoe call he's baby mother ho on obviously all this internet attaction attacked that caused me emotional damage did you do that before

Brian Atlasor after you leaked the after it was after after well so do you think it's emotionally abusive to leak private phone

Brian Atlascalls uh you mean uh me me for example let's say Walter had recorded a private conversation that you and him had that was of a uh private private and delicate nature yeah and he

Daisy Chenleaked that would you feel that that would be um abusive I wouldn't like that but like but I wouldn't I was I am also wouldn't treat anybody like that so okay look we can look it may certainly be the

Daisy Chencase that Walter isn't wasn't perfect in this wasn't pregnant perfect that's not a good word like he's worse than that well I mean did you know

Brian Atlasthat I mean for example he I mean his his podcast he does sort of I but he is a bit up well one you said that you would not object to a man sleeping with other women even if you're

Daisy Chenin a relationship with them that's because I'm realistic and also we human build that this laws and this restrictions for for for Our

Daisy ChenGeneration for people for human being but before we when we were back in thousands years ago we didn't have these rules which guys guys like could sleeping with different woman just to

Daisy Chenproduce babies okay so human nature human human nature we don't just sleep with one person that's I'm just being really

Daisy Chenstickly if my husband or my boyfriend respect me and always be honest with me I'm fine just don't bring me disease that's what I told him but instead he could tell me the truth but he lied to

Daisy Chenme I don't sleep with other women I'm solid I already made up my mind and then when when when when I told him I'm pregnant he told me I need to get four other girls tested so my mind was

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)bloated I was like what the hell is going on wait so if you if you're like I'm trying to figure out what the goal was and all of it did you just wanted him to be your your baby's father I

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)would cuz you said you didn't care about marriage so it's like if the if everything else like him sleeping around with other girls or whatever that doesn't matter to you like then I don't like how are you guys saying like you

Daisy Chengot played I was hoping that uh he could just treat me nicely instead of just tell me go ahead and get a like get a pill like if he could just like say uh

Daisy Chenbaby I'm going to get you through this uh I'll I'll go to the hospital with you any of that but he didn't he didn't but I mean he they they do sort of hold

Brian Atlasthem themselves out to be these kind of Playboy characters I mean they have a segment on womanizer Wednesdays Walter claims to have had a a body count of

Brian Atlasover a thousand he says he slept with over a thousand women um I mean you must have known to some degree that he was probably involved with other women well

Daisy ChenI know he's a Playboy like he he it's okay you knew that he yeah I knew that but I didn't know that he has bad character playing boy and bad character is different okay I didn't know he's

Brian Atlasevil like that and I don't pay attention about strong word I don't pay attention about think he's evil yes why because of the way treated just what

Daisy Chenspecifically he did he do that was evil made me pregnant and not that would make him evil right I mean not for you but for women we actually carrying a baby we

Daisy Chenactually had to get an abortion well you consented to the sex correct yes I did but I have sex nutty in me I didn't okay and

Daisy ChenMen controls that men controls their behavior while having sex and we can birth control we we cannot control if a man's going to come inside us of of us

Brian Atlasor no we cannot control that well but I mean you had sex with him multiple times I'm assuming yes because and he was coming inside of you every single time because I wanted to have the kids I also wanted to have the kids right but so I

Daisy Chenmean it's not like you were saying please don't do this please don't come inside of me oh I didn't say that you were fine with it yeah I was fine and my future to told me you're going to get pregnant on March which it happened well

Daisy Chenthat's yeah I think that's typically how children happen you know the guys I don't know like it my future to toer literally told me last year you're going to be pregnant I really I was hoping your fortune teller yeah my fortune

Brian Atlasteller was it like a palm reading or what do we I don't know someone from China I believe in that cookie you you will be pregnant do we have any fortune cookies in the studio let's see what she's going to get today um okay wait so

Daisy Chenhe knew you wanted to get pregnant he knew he knew it and I was taking like they were planning I was taking the supplements you know you know you're take was it prenatal prenatal yeah you're taking prenatal supplements I

Daisy Chentake that and I quit drinking you know stuff like that I really I really sincere like wanted to have the baby did he did he want to have the kid I mean he

Brian Atlasdidn't say like oh I really want the kid but by his behavior and action if he didn't want to have the kid he wouldn't have he like I asked him many times I don't think well I I think he genuinely

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)he didn't want to have a kid I think he he also enjoyed nutting why why didn't tell me I asked him a 100 times at least that's just how guys are guys are just going to you know

Daisy Chenif a guy gets to hit it raw they're going to why would he pull out I mean would well then he should know that then he should know that uh

Daisy Chenthe the is going to get pregnant or he didn't care if she just go ahead get an abortion that doesn't affect him it's a damage for women prior to Walter have you ever had no never never

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)okay never it's just I think it's just important for women to choose who they're having sex with without a condom because we should already know like we're going to get pregnant and everything but if he's already I as I

Brian Atlassaid I didn't mind I was in love sure and so just going back to the video um you guys the video is titled we are the Vic victims um I'm not sure if I really heard an answer to this what

Noelspecifically are you guys a victim of and Noel let me hear from you well I don't think I'm like a victim victim but okay prior to going out and meeting fresh I told him look I'm not on birth

Noelcontrol okay I don't want to have children out of wedlock and you know I expect you to use protection and then when it came to that he just didn't

Noeldidn't ask me about it didn't give me a warning he just kind of blasted like and it took me by surprise because I was trusting that he wasn't going to you

Noelknow okay but you said like use protection so you allowed him to have sex with you without protection or it just kind of happened really fast it's one of those things where it was like

Brian Atlaswait what do you mean like the act of having sex happened so fast like well so just give us a bit of context here so you hold on let me look at my notes Here um

Brian Atlasyou in terms of meeting him uh so you had been following their podcast for for a while for a while and I was following myin and then one day I saw a real

Noelfollowed fresh from it and then like an hour later he hit me up and he said come to Miami and I thought it was about the podcast cuz I was already scheduled to be on it and I was like oh like I'm already going to be there in January

Noelokay and he was like oh okay um he's like that's great he was like when you come out here he's like I want to take you out I want to get to know you so I was like cool and then he had me end up coming out in December it just worked out just a

Noellittle more conveniently because she wasn't going to be there um I didn't know that so may because she wasn't there's crossover yeah there was so he first saw you and then he started seeing

NoelDaisy no no he he met me first met you first okay they met in November me and him started messaging end of November how long have you been following the podcast The Freshman fit podcast probably like year and a half have you

Brian Atlasseen full episodes not full episodes you see Clips did you ever watch periods of an episode um you know you'd tune in for 30 minutes or something okay and so you uh

Brian Atlashe dm'd you you guys had a couple conversations text messages phone calls he offers to fly you out yeah and then he picks you up at the airport M and

Brian Atlasthen drives back to his place yeah and then you guys pretty much immediately go at it is that correct yeah it was so from like stepping through the door

Noelstepping through the door to uh does he throw it down quick I mean I would say cool 10 15 minutes into getting into his apartment no no like uh what's it called

Brian Atlasuh what's what's the term uh foreplay no not foreplay was there like any you know oh the weather is wait so you wanted to just small talk was there any small talk

Brian Atlasor steep through the door he puts on some Berry White goes at it I mean pretty much so you wanted to just [ __ ] or no well so so you but you step through the door so how much time

Brian Atlaselapsed from stepping put into his place to hooking up probably like 10 to 15 minutes 10 to 15 minutes okay and um okay but I mean so you were I assume

Noelyou're enthusiastic about that well yeah I was attracted to him he's Charming you know we' facetimed before um and you know I'm human so what do you mean you're human like Heat of the Moment if two people are turned on what do you

Noelexpect like that's going to happen and did you hook up more than more than once with him twice twice okay um what do you mean twice like two

Noelseparate times it's like one night one night oh okay yeah esimo sisters over esimo sisters that es and did and in both times that you hooked up with him he didn't use a condom

Brian Atlasyeah both times what prevented you this guy likes rolling the dice holy [ __ ] [ __ ] Walter rolling the dice here all right um is that how you guys met through

Brian AtlasInstagram yeah that's how me and Daisy met she she liked my photo and I saw her bedroom she has photo with in his bedroom oh damn damn so you you saw but

Brian Atlasyou were very familiar with their podcast you'd seen Clips um I mean were you familiar with the look there's a lot of content both in my podcast their

Brian Atlaspodcast were you aware of the fact that you know these guys are a bit you know they're Playboys you know they get they they date a lot of women I knew they got women but yeah like I I at that point I hadn't even seen the hill Mary video so

Daisy Chenit was like me me neither yeah did you guys think wait what's the Hail Mary video you can go to my I'll send you I'll send you what really quickly what's it about Hail Mary video he was he

Brian Atlasadmitted basically he admitted that he made other girl pregnant and his wife no yeah and then well I I'm not surprised if he's you know sleeping with

Daisy Chenwomen he to the girl that we're going to have later then took her to the mdal that her down never talk to her again like told her to get an AB and never talk to her again okay but but what what

Andrew Wilsondo those instances actually have to do with the two of you like um Walter had imp had impregnated half of the United States I don't actually understand how that's pertinent to your

Daisy Chenparticular situations it does can I ask you a question yeah if your wife or your ex-girlfriend any woman that you were in

Daisy Chena relationship with if she was pregnant with every guy she dated does that make she does that does

Andrew Wilsonthat make you considering still dating her uh you would absolutely like know I wouldn't feel dater no yeah that's exactly how I feel you know yeah but um

Andrew Wilsonnobody's really questioning whether or not you broke up with the guy based on the fact that he's out humping a bunch of other women nobody's questioning that's like that's not what's in question here what do you question about then yeah so I'll well I'll tell you

Andrew Wilsonwhat the question is um so when you're talking about inside of your religious faith of Buddhism Buddhism takes a neutral stance on abortion as you know but you clearly told fresh inside of

Andrew Wilsonthat phone call that it's against your religion to terminate this pregnancy that make it murder that you terminated the pregnancy no it doesn't it doesn't so if he's not a murderer and you're not a murderer I don't actually under hang

Andrew Wilsonon hang on I don't actually understand what the problem is as what could he have coerced you to do he didn't coer you to murder because you're not a murderer and he's not a murderer by your own logic

Daisy Chenright well there is some behave that he done that made me decide to have the abortion what was that yeah but even if all of the behavior um even if he did coers you

Andrew Wilsonlet's just say hypothetically he did coer you to have an abortion hang on hang on almost done yeah even if he did hypothetically coer you to have an abortion if it isn't murder then that isn't that like coercing you to pick up

Andrew Wilsona rake in the yard I mean what is the actual problem the actual problem

Daisy Chenis I lost a baby that I was suppos a I supposed to have have it with Walter and he doesn't want it yeah but why would that be a problem if it's not a person

Andrew Wilsonif you don't believe that it's murder to terminate the pregnancy you don't believe he's a murderer you don't believe you're a murderer then what's the actual problem it's just like picking a rake up in the yard right you're just playing The Language game

Daisy ChenI've seen your show before there's no way I can beat you I'm just not going to argue with this I think woman in here they won't understand me well I'll ask I'll ask some more question I want agree

Daisy Chenwith you cuz I know I can't and well I'm not I'm not trying to argue I'm really just genely curious you're just like into this details and so sophistic trying to cat me something or twist my word but people understand me I'm I'm

Daisy Chenreally not I'm just I'm just trying toart guy I'm not trying to he to like to defend on me I know that I made Mistake by dating this guy didn't know

Daisy Chenthat who he is and also uh I brought the baby yes but I believe this is the best choice cuz I don't want to fight I understand all that I understand all

Andrew Wilsonthat I'm not even playing a got you I'm just telling you that if you're saying that it's not murder to to abort the child but you're saying he coerced you into aborting it I still then don't even

Andrew Wilsonunderstand what exactly he coerced you into doing which was bad because there's no murder there's no what like what's the actual problem I don't get it co yeah but the abortion you consider it

Daisy Chennot to be a murder if it's a Mur burn murderer it's not me I'm not the murderer it's Walter well how wait how could he be a murderer

Daisy Chenbecause if you don't consider it murder to abort because he harassed me internet harassed me and he caused me emotional damage and all that yeah no I I get I

Andrew Wilsonget that but how could it actually be murder if you don't consider it to be murder if you abort I didn't say I don't consider it it's a murder

Andrew WilsonI said okay so you do consider Mur so you're Mur or I'm not saying I said it's a coition a coercion to do what though it's not a coercion to do anything bad if it's not a [Music]

Andrew Wilsonmurder I don't understand like what are you what are you talking about well if if you if you terminate a pregnancy it's not murder right yeah it's not it's not so then even if he coerced you to

Andrew Wilsonterminate the pregnancy yeah what is the actual problem because you didn't do you it's like picking up a rake in the yard right it's like uh putting dishes away it's uh if it's not

Daisy Chenmurder yes it'sh you to do that was actually bad I don't get it for you it's it's putting a dish away because you you are you you you're not in my position you wouldn't

Daisy Chenunderstand how I feel when I actually carried a baby it was a baby a dot in my belly and I had to end it yeah but it's not murder right it's not

Daisy Chenmurder also not something we should courage people to do yeah why not though it's not a problem it's not murder it's just something she didn't want to do and that's Andrew if you

Daisy Chendon't mind I'll I'll come yeah yeah sure no problem encouraging people to do to have abortion is that what you're saying go ahead Andrew uh well I mean I wouldn't because I consider it murder

Andrew Wilsonbut you don't consider it murder so if you don't consider it murder why would it be a problem if if people went and had abortion I don't understand that makes no

Daisy Chensense you don't understand the consequence for wom to get in abortion the health damage and all the other stuff

Andrew Wilsonemotionally so you just don't understand cuz you're another woman you're another woman that's why I was perhaps hoping that you could explain it to me that if

Daisy Chenyou don't I just did I don't I just did explain to you I think people understand what I meant so you're you so that he coerced you to damage your health

Daisy Chenyes okay by by um by asking you to have this like he know it's a it's it's a he gave me a food that's Pro fren that he

Daisy Chenknows it's a it's going to like make me uh sick and he still give it to me he gave you

Andrew Wilsonwhat I'm just trying to make an example an analog an analogy I see yeah the thing is is that if if Walter doesn't consider an abortion murder and you

Andrew Wilsondon't consider an abortion murder I don't even really understand what the problem is here the a consequence of sex is pregnancy and if neither of you consider abortion murder he doesn't and

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)you don't then I I don't I don't actually understand what you're upset about to be honest with you I think the problem I think like her issue is like

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)she W she wanted somebody to go through it with her um and I don't know I don't know why somebody 4 months is really short but you know that's not

Andrew Wilsonjudging her for that but do you does that make any sense to you if I ask you for instance um you know if you got pregnant and neither one of you consider it to be

Andrew Wilsona a murder or in any way shape or form immoral to do an abortion I do considering some murder well then that would make you a murderer ma'am no I didn't make the decision because I

Andrew Wilsonwanted to is because well you said he forced you did he go with you and do it or no he didn't so so if you don't consider yourself a murderer then you can't

Daisy Chenconsider having an abortion [Music] murder so you're saying that's okay it's okay for he to do that well not from my worldview I think it's awful is that okay is that okay to get impreg a woman

Andrew Wilsonand ask her to get a potion like taking a pregnancy like taking a plan B pill is that okay from my worldview no but from your worldview you just said it's fine you just said from your perspective from

Daisy Chenthe Buddhist perspective that's okay I said it's not okay that's why I'm upset so is it so is it murder see you keep playing this question you keep playing this well I mean it's because I don't understand

Andrew Wilsonit's not if you if you didn't take a human life then why is it actually a problem that is a human life I was pregnant then that would be a murder wouldn't it

Brian AtlasI didn't say if if it is a murder then that would make you a murderer wouldn't it not me I didn't because I didn't want to is fresh did he swallow did he swallow the pill for you or wait so are

Daisy Chenyou saying that fresh is the murderer yes because he wanted to do it cuz he wanted to do it you guys heard the voice message he pushed me to do it he never showed up did you just not want to be a

Daisy Chensingle mother I'll ask a couple questions I didn't want to be a single mother I didn't want my my my baby daddy to be like someone like that but no matter what you still had the decision

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)to either take the pill or not take the pill right yeah so it just seems like you're putting all of the accountability on him I think that's what we're trying to say oh I didn't well definitely not that's not what I meant let's get back

Brian Atlasto the video though so you did have this video of called we are the victims Nick if you can just pull it up real quick we might we yeah we are the victims there it is that's a nice Penthouse apartment

Brian Atlasby the way is that Airbnb Airbnb yeah okay uh okay and you guys it's a fairly long one uh I actually watched watched it and I have a

Brian Atlascouple notes Here with timestamps uh if needed I'll pull pull up the actual per point of time uh corresponding to some of my questions I had so uh starting

Brian Atlaswith Daisy you said at 13 minutes in uh you when it comes to abortion uh and pregnancy you consider it as you

Brian Atlasactually have a life in your belly okay uh at 1830 in that video you said one of the reasons you you got the

Brian Atlasabortion uh or perhaps women can get abortions is uh you feel it carrying a baby you feel pain bleeding I did okay and so

Brian Atlasuh you said that perhaps one of the reasons women will get abortions is for health issues like they might get it for health issues was that one of the reasons that you decided or that wasn't

Brian Atlasrelated decide what not to keep the baby yeah some women you said some women might choose to get an abortion because they face potential health issues if they continued with the pregnancy I was very

Daisy Chendepressed that was not the only reason it's just everything put together okay um but you didn't have any health issues though I was mentally okay I mentally

Brian Atlascaused physically all right now at 29:30 Nick Could you actually skip to

Brian Atlas29:30 uh and we'll actually play from 2930 ready yeah go ahead oh just

Brian Atlasup um let me know when you have it okay [ __ ] hold on one of my chats let me actually read this chat really quick uh throwing a wrench into the mix happy Mother's Day have your parents told you about how they met if so how

Brian Atlaswhich parent was more I'll I'll have to come back to this oh wait did it not trigger wait oh [ __ ] [ __ ] uh that's weird I don't know why it's not

Brian Atlastriggering one sec well didn't you turn it off or something oh I did pause it okay um all the ttss are [ __ ] there uh just a reminder guys uh TTS is and chats we're just going to pause it just to kind of get through

Brian Atlassome of this stuff and then we'll all open it back up in a little bit uh okay so Nick have it go ahead like we're here to take you down

Brian Atlasyou can pause it what do you mean by you're you're here to take him down like is that your goal you want to take Walter down yes why because he hurt

Brian Atlasme okay maybe that's like let's just say that you know take your word for it and that he did hurt you I don't doubt you there um do you think

Brian Atlasit's like do you see yourself just moving on from this what do you mean like y'all could just drop it just move

Daisy Chenon with your lives I did that's why I chose in the end to take the bill cuz no I don't mean that I mean just like this ongoing conflict with oh with them

Daisy Chenshould I move on you me no I mean have you have you considered that uh yes I am moving on with was my life and but you said you're pursuing a lawsuit against him yes he still need he still need to

Brian Atlasget what he deserve and to be clear that's a you're doing a defamation lawsuit and then also it's a like a coercion it's a intentional I believe

Brian Atlasit's well I don't know what you're specifically going for but intentional infliction of emotional distress something like that yeah and he could have bring me a serious STD but he

Brian Atlasdidn't so what's the what are your damages yeah damages is I don't think you can sue somebody for what they could have potentially done to you yeah so did

Daisy Chenhe he didn't give you an ND he did oh oh I'm fine right now he gave me Ultra infection a what what a UT ut oh well

Brian Atlasyou hold on but you can get too long I don't think UTI isn't necessarily sexual okay okay fine then

Brian Atlasbut so you intend to sue him you intend to sue him for a UTI no no not just this okay well no I know there's other things but I'm asking why you are planning to

Daisy Chensue him but um why shouldn't I like they they are defend me and putting slander on

Daisy Chenme why shouldn't I like everybody's calling me who's they like them his partner myin so what's what's the main

Brian Atlasthing that they're accusing you of that you find defamatory like call me uh an professional escort an escort okay and you don't have you have no history of escorting okay they did release a video

Daisy Chenwhich I already that's not you though correct okay I addressed that already which I which is also why I'm working with my lawyer okay and he uh they

Daisy Chenruined my reputation and uh I lost a lot a lot you have damages yes okay and um they also

Daisy Chensaid call me a thief which I am not I've never steal from anybody you're filing this lawsuit in New York is that correct I think so yeah cuz my lawyers are in New York did you

Brian Atlasdo any venue shopping because New York actually has fairly strong uh it's fairly uh it's a good state is my understanding to be a plaintiff in the defamation case when it comes to being

Brian Atlaslike if you're in New York I think what do you mean you're saying that's difficult to do it no I'm saying that's probably one of the best states if you're plaintiff in a defamation case but I'm just curious why you didn't given that he lives in Florida you were

Brian Atlasin Florida when I don't know any lawyer in Florida it's just seems like venue shopping a little bit like you chose the best state to file a I was in New York when I deal with or

Brian Atlasyou haven't filed it yet correct not yet but it still give but 100% you are intending yes okay uh so I'll try to get through all this so cuz I know Andrew is just got a bunch of questions so I'll

Brian Atlastry to get through this as quick as I can uh okay you said at 38 minutes that you you hid your the time that you had your

Daisy Chenabortion so there was a period of time while there's this like kind of it was going viral on the internet yeah I I didn't hit I didn't hide it no but you

Daisy Chensaid you said you hid your abortion there's different between secret and lie I did not lie I just didn't tell anybody

Daisy ChenI got it down I didn't tell anybody on public until when I was drinking a glass of Y in Miami M and they called me out they were like you're pregnant I still didn't want to explain right didn't you

Brian Atlasmake a post where you were like oh it's okay to drink a little bit even if you're pregnant but at that time you weren't even pregnant at all I was just trying to educate these people like it's okay to have one glass of wine well you

Brian Atlasat that point you were still but at that point were you still intending to carry on as if you at least publicly that you were still pregnant I was going to tell them anyway okay so I scheduled the

Daisy Chenpodcast with no I mean the show was duked down so I was going to tell them like later on but I just wanted make vacation like a little vacation uh Nick could you go to

Brian Atlas5425 um let me know when you have it in the video and just a reminder guys we are taking a pause on all the chat Ms and

Brian Atlasthe ttss just while we get through the segment go ahead

Brian AtlasNick like until until I take you guys down like I'm not I'm not going to like I'm I'm not going to shut up okay I Tre told me to shut up you can you can pause um I'm just like so what I think I might

Brian Atlashave already asked this but what prompted you to decide to like leak all this go public

Daisy Chenum that's my revenge to be honest he hurt me I want to hurt him that's all I'm just curious though like cuz I mean wait did you did you say Revenge

Daisy Chenyes that you did this out of Revenge everybody knows everybody knows they didn't like that the fact I leaked the message nobody agree with this but I still do it I'm not regretting it it's

Daisy Chenbecause when somebody tried to hurt me and actually they did and they don't think about the consequence after and am I letting them just like to like move on

Daisy Chenlike that like they're never going to learn a lesson if they don't if I didn't do anything actually like that's going to damage them so you can go ahead and judge me for being uh you know whatever I'm not

Andrew Wilsonjudging you I'm just saying I'm not saying you I'm saying the public like I really didn't mind like they can they motivation you think that the primary motivation that she had was Vengeance you wanted to kind of hit back first

Daisy ChenRevenge uh because he hurt me so I want to HT him second because I wanted to warn other women as well because there is a lot of message I've been getting

Daisy Chenthat when when you say he hurt you what what precisely did he do he broke up with you no he made me

Brian Atlaspregnant and he didn't want to take the accountability but okay I I don't does him getting you pregnant was that him hurting

Daisy Chenyou he gave me pregnant and didn't want to didn't want me to keep the baby that's hurt that hurts was he like telling you he didn't want to have a

Daisy Chenbaby he just heard the voice I did you heard exactly what he said go go take a pill he didn't even say oh come to Florida come to Miami I'm going to go to the hospital with you if you no we we we

Daisy Chenbroke up already we can't keep the KY like he can just say anything like that's nice like he all of a sudden he switch from somebody that's nice Charming to somebody that's like I'm just a stranger like deal with yourself

Andrew Wilsonlike that's how I get it that's how fuming I was yeah and he deserved to be punished for that right thanks for that yeah so I'm just yeah he I mean he did right he deserved to be punished he

Andrew Wilsondeserved for you to to um to punish him for doing doing that horrible thing to you right I didn't expect that from you but thank you okay but he did right

Andrew Wilsondidn't he he's asking you didn't he he didn't he deserve to to uh I mean he deserved it right right he did yeah so I mean he needed to be

Andrew Wilsonpunished didn't he yes is he is he really punished I don't know yeah he still needs he still needs to be punished doesn't he yes yeah okay do you

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)want to like see him in jail or like yes whoa come on jail yes straight to jail yes straight straight to jail yes so you

Daisy Chenthink for getting you for knocking you up for making me pregnant for making other women pregnant for giving other women STD while knowing he sleep with multiple women without

Brian Atlasprotection okay uh MD see Maddie go fix that please oh I think they might have it just double check sorry guys are [ __ ] welcome to

Brian Atlasthe whatever podcast trying to C down right now production quality is fantastic uh wait hold on don't it's good all right oh it's the that's what fell the ziz thing okay all right uh so

Brian AtlasI am a little bit confused um so if you had so much conviction about

Brian Atlaskeeping the child and being against abortion the father being a perceived or

Brian Atlasactual scumbag who doesn't want involvement um and and the ensuing drama the public drama it doesn't seem like

Brian Atlasenough pretext to go and get an abortion if it's it's against your religion against your values so I'm just a little confused there's a lot of a lot of different

Daisy Chenreason while also one of the main reasons because I was like during the pregnancy what I had to fight with all of them I was like very stressed you know I was worried about

Daisy Chenmy why would I stressed no I'm not questioning that you were stressed but why were you stressed because of the because they put yeah the drama the allegations on me and and especially he

Daisy Chenhe never like actually made any announce announcement he was keeping his mouth shut while his his partner was speaking for him so I want you to just be a man man up like even if you made a mistake

Daisy Chenjust say daisy I made a mistake I shouldn't have done that that's okay I take the apologize even though it it it takes both both to you

Daisy Chenknow how to say to get pregnancy so like two to T yeah two so like I would be okay like I just he just so stubborn he wouldn't

Andrew Wilsoneven okay but apologize to me wait apologize for what for what like well I mean he's I mean he's a real son of a [ __ ] right I mean treating you like

Daisy Chenthat I mean he kind of he kind of has it coming right kind of has it coming well I I didn't really know that because I just felt I just like personally I just

Daisy Chenwanted to feel who this guy is like I didn't know he's like this comeone back until he broke up with me I searched him on Google a lot of things came out I'm

Andrew Wilsonlike wait this can't be true so that's also why and when somebody treats you like that I mean they deserve to be

Brian Atlaspunished by you don't they yes yes okay so couple a couple more questions so you said that you were would you say that the primary reason

Daisy Chenfor you getting the abortion was because you're stressed out by this whole thing that's the main reason reason there's another reason um as I told everybody I was growing up in single family my parents broke up when I was 10 and when

Daisy ChenI was in childhood when I was in school people always laughing about me making fun about me without like I don't have a mother you know like it's just like very tough for me like my childhood very

Daisy Chentough like I don't want my kid to go through similar situation as I as me okay so but you said the primary reason

Brian Atlaswas because of the stress is that correct the you know the stress that was the main reason from from all the drama with fresh and you know all that that was the main reason you decided to get

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