CONFRONTING Daisy Chen?! ROAST Episode! Andrew Wilson! Are They VICTIMS?! | Dating Talk #160

Date: 2024-05-13

Duration: 7h 12m

Guests

Brian Atlas

KKelly (DT162)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Noel(guest)

SPEAKER_03Christine(guest)

SPEAKER_04Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Daisy Chen(guest)

SPEAKER_14Destiny(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDaisy admits revenge motive: "I'm here to take you down" — played from her own video; then admits "that's my revenge to be honest he hurt me I want to hurt him"

ControversyDaisy admits premeditated recording: she recorded the phone call with Walter before the call ended, intending to release it as revenge

QuoteDaisy on her motivation: "I've never done this to anyone in my life — people have hurt me in the past — just the fact he took that away from you... that's why I have so much hate"

QuoteNoel reveals prior violent coerced abortion by a different ex-boyfriend (not Walter): "he dragged me by the hair into his car and drove me two hours away somewhere I didn't know and literally quite literally forced me... I ended up in the hospital"

ControversyAndrew accuses Daisy of entrapment and felony: "you came in on a student visa you committed a felony by recording him and then releasing it — and on top of that... your entire motivation around this was purely Revenge related"

ControversyAndrew demands Daisy and Noel leave the studio: "Get the f*** out of here. Your stories are bullshit." Brian declines to kick them. Daisy and Noel stay but leave voluntarily later (~6:46 mark).

ControversyAndrew calls Daisy a murderer on Mother's Day during live broadcast: "you murdered your child. Happy Mother's Day. Murderer." — Daisy had stated the abortion was not murder from her Buddhist worldview

QuoteSelf-ratings round: Daisy 8, Noel 7-8, Destiny 10 (for right person), Kelly 6, Christine ~6, Gustavo 7, Andrew ~3-5.

ControversyAndrew questions Daisy about Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Tiananmen Square; speculates she may be a CCP spy/agent. Daisy refuses to answer any political questions. Brian skeptical but amused.

QuoteDaisy shows $30,000 bracelet at table: she and Walter each paid $15K for the real one after he first gave her a fake $30K bracelet. She threw the fake one back in his face.

QuoteDaisy and Noel voluntarily leave the show during the roast section after sustained hostility from Andrew and TTS donations.

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Brian introduces panel. Each guest states name, age, location, occupation, relationship status. Daisy details plastic surgery history; Brian shows before/after Instagram photos. Noel discusses traditional values, monogamy, nuclear family, and all her relationships involving cheating. Kelly declines to share story about boyfriend. Christine discusses relationship/overlap with frat guy. Andrew Wilson introduced last.

Daisy Chen background and plastic surgery review

Brian reviews Daisy's pre-surgery Instagram photos (2013, 2015, 2018, 2020). Discussion of breast augmentation, nose job, eyelid surgery. Panel asked about views on plastic surgery. Poll on before/after preference.

Noel traditional values discussion

Noel discusses importance of nuclear family, monogamy, traditional marriage. Debate on criminalizing infidelity. Panel opinions on cheating laws.

Daisy and Walter timeline confrontation

Daisy gives timeline of relationship with Walter (Fresh and Fit): met Nov 2023, official Dec 2023, visited Miami, got pregnant, Walter broke up March 25, found out pregnant April 1, had abortion. Played excerpts from leaked phone call. Showed DM receipts. Admitted to premeditated revenge recording.

Abortion debate and coercion arguments

Extended debate on whether Walter coerced Daisy into abortion. Andrew Wilson interrogates Daisy and Noel on responsibility, choice, coercion definitions. Covers abortion law, coercion statutes, Buddhist and Christian views on abortion, mutual responsibility for unprotected sex. Brian argues Daisy escalated by leaking calls; Daisy says it was revenge and warns other women.

Noel's encounter with Walter and consent discussion

Noel describes her encounter with Walter: flown to Miami, unprotected sex, he finished inside her without warning first time. Took Plan B. Discussion of consent, responsibility, and whether this was coercion.

Paternity question

Andrew questions whether the pregnancy was definitively Walter's child. Daisy argues Walter never denied it; he had a vasectomy rumor (addressed). No DNA test done (pregnancy terminated). Daisy had ultrasound at ~4-5 weeks.

Noel's prior coerced abortion (violent ex)

Noel briefly reveals a prior violent coerced abortion by a different ex-boyfriend (physically dragged her to clinic, she ended up hospitalized). Distinct from Walter situation.

Traditional segment (Destiny Instagram review)

Brian pulls up Destiny's Instagram to assess if she is "traditional." Bikini/booty photos visible. Discussion: traditional in relationship but not in public presentation.

Destiny's ex-cousin story

Destiny recounts that in high school her ex-boyfriend confessed to having sexual relationship with his male cousin since age 10. She had suspected infidelity; confronted him.

Self-ratings (1-10 scale)

Brian asks each guest to rate looks 1-10. Daisy: 8, Noel: 7-8, Destiny: 10 (for right person), Kelly: 6, Christine: ~6, Gustavo: 7, Andrew: ~3-5. Extended debate on what a 10 means after Destiny claims 10.

Ateri's story (cheating while mother hospitalized)

Ateri recounts that her ex cheated on her while her mother was dying in hospital. Step-father had also recently died. She hasn't dated since.

CCP and political accusations against Daisy

Andrew accuses Daisy of being a CCP agent after she refuses to answer questions about Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Tiananmen Square. Brian skeptical of the CCP angle; Daisy denies.

Brian's dating type / panel type discussion

Maddie identifies Brian's type: small women (height starts with 4), white or Asian, minimal makeup, no plastic surgery, no promiscuous past, no mental illness. Kelly mentions Brian and a previous guest 'Emily.'

Bumble swiping segment

Each guest given 20 Bumble profile swipes. Most guests had 0 or very few yes swipes. Brian also does female profiles segment. Discussion of pickiness and photo quality.

Chaos/roast section and Daisy/Noel departure

TTS donation roast messages at $20 threshold. Heavy anti-Daisy/Noel content. Champagne opened (Jeremy $1000 donation). Brian tipsy. Daisy and Noel leave ~6:46 mark. Body count round at close: Gustavo: mentioned; Madison: no longer answers; others not captured.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthe guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead hi everyone my

Daisy Chenname is Daisy I'm 28 I'm from China and I live in New York City right now and I work with a plastic

Daisy Chensurgeon and I'm a model what part of China are you from Shanghai Shanghai okay and how um like you born there grew

Daisy Chenup there I was uh born in a city that's like 4 hours drive by Shanghai I grew up in Shanghai and you said oh go ahead so

Daisy ChenI recently just moved to USA I'm planning to stay so okay and you said you work for a plastic surgeon plastic

Daisy Chensurgeons uh yeah I'm a plastic surgery broker if that makes sense so you cure like I connect my clients with surgeons

Brian Atlasokay yeah and have you yourself you've you have done many you've done many how many surgeries would you say you've

Daisy Chendone uh I don't really remember but the major one is my breast and my nose eyeliner lip injections stuff like that the eye so the eyeliner is it like

Daisy Chentattooed on or no it's not tattoo like cuz we have small eyeliner Asian girl oh eyeliner okay so they just do a procedure so I could have bigger eyes

Daisy Chenbut you know it's not it's not like huge difference okay but yeah the it's my nose I see okay all right uh well

Noelwelcome what about you I'm Noel I am 24 years old I'm from California and I am a scientific analyst all right welcome thank you I'm Destiny um I am 22 years

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)old I'm also from California and I work in commission sales selling am a cook product all right welcome thank you hi I'm Kelly I'm 22 and I'm a personal

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)stylist and social media influencer and I am going to school to study Communications as well and where you from Los Angeles Los Angeles okay

Christinewelcome back thanks what about you hi my name is Christine I'm 20 years old I'm from California and I am a student at UCSB what are you studying uh economics

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)economics okay welcome uh hello my name is at city um I'm currently a student um and I work in commission sales too age uh 19 all right

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)welcome much ah see thank you thank you uh Madison my name is Madison I'm 19 years old I'm from San Diego California

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)I currently work for the whatever podcast and I'm a student at s City College studying communication all right welcome everybody last but not least my

Andrew WilsonCaucasian Andrew Wilson go ahead yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I am the host of The One and Only Crucible fastest growing debate channel on the internet

Brian Atlasum I am a blood sport debater political analyst and also a political satius and you can find me there all right welcome Andrew so what we're going to do now we're goingon to go around the table

Brian Atlasonce more so what is everybody's current relationship status so you single talking stage situationship Friends with

Brian AtlasBenefits relationship married polycule sex cult Harum whatever it is if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in I'm

Brian Atlassingle uh how long have you been single single for how long since March since March okay what's the longest relation

Brian Atlasship you've ever been in 9 month 9 month okay how long ago was that 9mon relationship that was like my first boyfriend since 19 when you were 19 when

Brian AtlasI was 19 and you're 28 now so from pretty much from 20 to 28 would you say you've not really had any long-term relationships did I did but it's just

Brian Atlaslike not longer than 9 month the longest was 6 month okay gotcha for the 9 month relationship who ended that was it you was it him was it Mutual it was me it

Daisy Chenwas you okay why did why did you break up with him cuz I was like kind of young I was in school and he's from America I lived in Shanghai he wanted to get

Daisy Chenmarried but I was too young I wanted to explore my life so I told him like I'm not able to do it so that's why okay so it was long

Brian Atlasdistance it wasn't he lived in Shanghai oh okay okay yeah got it okay well we'll get into your other uh other one in a little bit but what about you I am

Brian Atlassingle I have been single since March you've been single since March also okay so single for about let's say two months longest relationship uh almost four years four years

Brian Atlasokay and why did that one why did your four-year relationship end he cheated on me he cheated on you okay and then the two-month relationship or the excuse me

Noelthe one that ended two months ago why did that one end so I was engaged um wait you were engaged as recently as two months ago yeah how long were you dating

Noelthis guy like two months so he had proposed on Valentine's Day and that was very soon for me cuz we only had been together for like two months and then when I went to Utah to visit my sisters

Noelwe were going to go wedding dress shopping and then I discovered that he was stepping out on me and then I found one of his accounts where he was only

Noelfollowing like AI like can I say it like AI girls like porn oh yeah so I was like no thank you okay so the most recent guy

Brian Atlascheated on you your four-year relationship cheated on you of all the relationships have you that you've had have they all involved in Fidelity every single one of them has cheated on me do

Brian Atlasyou have any uh suspicions as to why that might be that seems a bit disproportionate that all your Rel they all they're all cheating on you it's probably my choice

Noelin men I could take accountability for that but it's lack of sexual discipline it has nothing to do with me like all of my relationships were very peaceful and happy I never argued in my

Noelrelationships okay unless it was bringing up the cheating so I think they were just you know lack of sexual discipline and they were dissatisfied and did did they ever like when you talk

Noelto them about it did they ever tell you why they cheated I I didn't or you when I find out I don't care why I'm just like you know what we're done leave it at that sure okay what about you um I am

Destinyin a relationship and I have been in that relationship for two years a little over two years now two years and my longest relationship was 3 years prior to this one all right how did you meet your uh current boyfriend um I just met

Destinyhim at the gym I wasn't actually looking for a relationship I had I was living in Toronto and I was just visiting my family um back oh are you are you from Canada I'm from um California but I

Destinymoved out there for University oh interesting yeah you you moved to Canada were you was it a scholarship or um well there was a there was my ex he was he's Canadian oh he's from okay so you wanted

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)to be closer to yeah it was during Co and um sure you know the board is closed down so I I moved out there to be with him all right Kelly what about you um I

Brian Atlasam not single I am in a two and like four month relationship and this is my longest one too all right and before the show you said that you uh you have the past can you tell us about

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)that n come on that it was a funny anecdote it was a yeah you want me to say have you never met my boyfriend no never mind okay you want you should just meet him you should just meet him yeah

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)seriously should should I tell the story though no it's funny come on well it I won't if you don't want to that's fine but yeah it it just makes sense if you just met my boyfriend it would no I'm

Brian Atlasnot I don't have any issues with the scenario it's just a funny scenario oh it's okay yeah you should share it no all right that's fine that's fine uh

Christinewhat about you um I am single my last relationship ended in February so yeah February uh how long were you in that relationship for um one and a half years

Brian Atlaswas it long distance yeah yeah kind of well you go to UCSB right yeah and went to UCLA UCLA okay so not too far are you originally from did you say you're originally from

ChristineLa no I'm originally from San Francisco oh up north okay um and so why did it

Christineend who broke up with who um he broke up with me but it was going to end like it I just like we were both weren't really

Christinefeeling the relationship anymore H it was just you both weren't feeling the relationship or like I guess I wasn't but it's a little complicated why is it

Christinecomplicated because I wasn't feeling the relationship anymore then um were there other people in the

Christinepicture well sound like no wait I didn't

Christineum I wasn't feeling it anymore and then um I like didn't break break it off um

Brian Atlaswhen I should have and then um so there's a little crossover maybe with a another individual kind of yeah

Brian Atlasokay was did you have a sense that he might have been seeing somebody else too or no okay um but yeah definitely my fault I was in the

Christinewrong so you you said you ended it no then he found out and then he ended it okay yeah how often would you guys see each other cuz you said he goes to UCLA

Christineyou were we would see each other like on the weekends yeah on the weekends every weekend or kind of like every other weekend or um every other weekend more often than not would you go there or would he come to see you um well I had a

Brian Atlassingle so I I have a single so he'd come here okay yeah like a you're on the par apartment or you just had a single bedroom oh like my own apartment okay I see and he had

Brian Atlashe was in a triple or something like he had roommates and yeah okay so he would come to see you MH um and are you still are you involved

Brian Atlaslike the this other guy are you involved with him currently no okay um so in that in the three-month period that you've been single any other dating prospects

Brian Atlasanything more casual shortterm no I not just not interested everyone who just not it well so the other guy that was kind of in the picture was this

Christinelike a shortterm thing or what what happened there like it was a fra party and yeah I just like we were just I don't know I didn't

Christinereally it like spring break happened and then we didn't talk and so then just yeah like me and this other guy just like stopped talking after spring break just cuz like were seeing we saw each

Christineother like yeah okay we so we were seeing each other spring quarter and because we had the same class right and then we didn't have the same class

Brian Atlasanymore and so yeah frat frat guy yeah are you Miss sority no no sority okay all right um okay well maybe we can talk

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)about that a bit more later uh what about you um I've been single for about 3 years my longest relationship with was a year and the reason we broke up was

Brian Atlasbecause of his cheating he was cheating yeah okay all right good times a lot of cheating I guess uh

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)Gustavo married to whatever podcast okay I'm luckily in a relationship uh my

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)current one is my longest it's been a year and eight months all right sweet um Andrew Wilson what about you I'm uh happily married have been for

TTS/Donationswell over a decade all right cool and then Brian loves roast be flabia donated $200 ladies would any of you date Brian

TTS/Donationssorry Brian I know you like fresh off the boat Asian women but Daisy only likes BBC Your Average White clock ain't

TTS/Donationsgoing to cut it Daisy L for gir uh by the way I'm a fan of this sub of the okay and it's not true but I I don't

Brian Atlasknow if he's talking about the the subreddit or if he's talking about I know he's not talking I'm a fan anyway oh of of both of length no I'm

Brian Atlasor Reddit no but like the actual question both who doesn't I mean who doesn't right so okay I guess I guess we'll do it okay uh would any of you would any of you date me

NoelI guess everybody would why not oh okay um you can be you can be super honest I already know your type so like I wouldn't what's my type you like you're

Noelpretty Asian women hold on I like white women I'll date any race okay date any race I mean what races have you dated yeah white Latina

Brian AtlasAsian but which one did I think I a short very short ter thing with a black woman once I live in Santa Barbara okay you can't fault me there's like no black people here okay it's not my fault but

Brian Atlasuh yeah I don't discriminate I agree with your values Pacific Islander throw me a Pacific Islander I'll oh okay there

Brian Atlasyou go all right what about you I wouldn't rip Kelly n is it cuz I'm white you're such a racist

Brian AtlaspH no it's not cuz you're white sure sure okay well what about you no rip is it cuz I'm white no what what's the

Brian Atlasreason old too old yeah I'm a boomer how old are you huh how old are you 34 yeah yeah yeah people tell me I never

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)mind okay yeah what about you no you're like my dad's age what the [ __ ] your dad's young

Brian Atlasyeah Gustavo see mucho He Man there we go than he's married all right um thank you for that for that one um okay so

Brian Atlastrying to think where we let me actually really and we'll come back to the chat I think uh we're all caught up on everything right Nick okay so we're going to just uh get into some pre-show notes here actually no I have a I have a

Brian Atlasquick question for the whole panel um who hear is religious I don't know what's the definition of relation like are you

DestinyChristian uh I'm Buddhism Buddhist yeah Buddhist okay I am a Christian all right

Destinyum I go to church and I go to a Catholic church but um I'm not like 100% like I don't know I guess religious like I just I go to church and I try to be a good

Destinyperson and have a good relationship with God but I don't believe every single thing that every role catholism has okay um I am a

ChristineChristian I am not religious what so like atheist a agnostic um Satan Satanist Satanist I

Christinedon't really have a stance or anything sure I don't know um I was born Catholic but I'm not

Brian Atlasreligious I'm Christian all right cool so let me see here uh let's uh just get

Brian Atlasinto let's get right into it um trying to think here do you guys hear that like old timey music it's kind of nice you can leave the door open all right so uh

Brian Atlasgot some pre-show notes from Daisy uh actually first thing Daisy you said you've done like you've had you work for a plastic surgeon you've had quite a bit of plastic surgery done um

Brian Atlasjust out of curiosity cuz sometimes very often on the show we talk about makeup plastic surgery yeah I'm always curious like how did people look before like do

Brian Atlasyou have any photos of you like no plastic surgery at all I do but none are you can we when you send them to us for us to look at yeah I would not like for

Daisy Chenthe show for the show yeah right now yeah we could do you have your for for the phone yeah I could I could I don't mind I mean it's not just a plastic surgery makes you look different you

Brian Atlashave you got to work on your body as well sure yeah you can work out and the makeup the style sure so like I'm talking like Daisy at 20 versus Daisy now at 28 like when did

Daisy Chenyou start getting plastic surgery uh I got my first surgery when I was uh 2018 probably okay like my eye eyes I've

Brian Atlasdone my eye three times you've done your eyes three times yeah breast three times three times yeah damn so do you are you saying like you go I just upgrade them

Daisy Chenlike bigger yeah bigger and it's very common in China you guys every girls get their work done in China yeah think it's

Daisy Chencommon everywhere now in in China in Korea Middle East it's very common cuz when I said that before on the other shows they were like roasting me you

Daisy Chenknow who was roast everybody was roasting me because oh she ugly before because she have done plastic surgery her body is all fake that's not true

Brian Atlasthey were saying that you looked worse before the plastic surgery I look uh they were saying that I look good right now because I've done

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)all the work okay cuz I typically tend to make the argument that people look better before the plastic surgery I want to know what

Brian Atlaspeople look like years after the plastic surgery yeah so if you want Daisy blast to the Instagram send one at a time uh if you want any photos and maybe we'll

Brian Atlaslet the chat decide okay better before plastic surgery better after TR to find it let's see it's going to take some time you guys go ahead that's fine I'll I'll ask another question then we'll

Brian Atlascome back to the the main topic at hand going to Noel here you said you were raised in a very traditional strict Mormon household yes very strict now you're no longer Mormon though is that

Noelcorrect no I'm not Mormon you you said you're Christian Christian yeah and you didn't say cath you're not Catholic okay just Christian what denomination I'm like non- denominational nomination I

Brian Atlasfollow Jesus and God I don't follow a denomination I don't congregate you said also you do not consider yourself a feminist you wanted to speak on

Brian Atlastraditional relationships marriages and the importance of it you'd also uh so what was your take on traditional relationships and marriages and the importance of them I think nuclear

Noelfamily and traditional marriages are like extremely crucial in our society in terms of like raising kids and populating the world um keeping STD

Noelrates down and you know being happy I think most people will get ultimate fulfillment of Joy through nuclear family and most of the people that I

Noelknow that have children's or children say that that's their main source of Joy like true Joy is through having children sure you know kids need a father and a

Noelmother to raise them to get that good balance of feminist values and like masculine values wait hold on when you say the a good balance of feminist you

Brian Atlasmean feminine feminine you said that you also wanted to speak on monogamy yes uh the signs behind it and why it's not feminine or empowering to sleep around

Noeldid you want to elaborate on that at all yeah so I think monogamy is very important you know it's not necessarily healthy to sleep with a bunch of different people in a short period of

Noeltime um and that is one thing that has contributed to STD rates they're super high right now um and it's because people aren't monogamous anymore they're not getting married and they're just you

Brian Atlashave girls that are sleeping with a new dude every week um yeah and that's kind of why dating is not working out wild it's wild out there in the streets literally stre in the streets it's wild you said when you were 21 you were

Brian Atlasliving in the bay assume the San Francisco Bay you were on your own you met your boyfriend at work you ended up allowing him to move in you would drive to him uh or excuse me you would drive

Brian Atlashim to and from work every day and it was an hour drive there and back this was the story from last time did we already go over this yeah this was from last time he didn't pay rent that's fine yeah didn't pay rent I'm just going over

Brian Atlasthis uh just while we give Daisy here a bit of time he didn't pay for groceries didn't provide he leeched off you and ended up catching him cheating as well yes this was not the fouryear relationship that was was the third

Noelrelationship how many relationships would you say you've had I've been in five now in the span of N9 years does that include our our dear friend no that was a brief brief dating not even a

Noeltitle okay so has every single guy cheated on you basically yes yes but I think majority of men and some women are cheating nowadays just cuz

Brian Atlaswith social media and how dating has changed all right let's see you wanted to talk about about laws on infidelity and abortion I didn't say abortion but infidelity well this might have been

Brian Atlasfrom your previous time you were on um and you also want to we importance of nuclear family raising children monogamy but laws on infidelity and abortion so

Brian Atlaswould you be in favor of for example like somehow criminalizing cheating infidelity absolutely within the confines of marriage or even in just any longterm relationship I just like a civil relationship probably like a fine

Brian Atlasof some sort like how there is in other countries but in terms of mar other countries have fines for for uh non-married infidelity cheating I guess I'm pretty sure China has a law on that

Brian Atlaswhich country China China is this true Daisy confirm or deny what a law does China have a law against cheating in a

Daisy Chenrelationship uh sort of like if uh if a guy cheat on their

Daisy Chenwife if the wife wants to divorce so there's kind of like Financial mhm how do I say like it's like a fine

Brian Atlaslike they pay yeah they the guy pays more well there actually is something and maybe Andrew if you can help just looking this up there is something actually in some US states where it's um

Brian AtlasI'm trying to think there's a specific legal term this typically involves married couple a spouse can actually go after uh the the third party that's sort

Brian Atlasof making the cheating happen there's a specific legal term for this um alienation

Brian Atlasof any thoughts on that Andrew there's a specific legal term it's only in some states though you can actually sue the person

Brian Atlasthat the cheating partner I guess any luck I'm not aware of what the law is called Al I think it's alienation of affection somebody in the chat is

Brian Atlassaying alienation of affection and it is a civil I don't think it's criminal but I think you can you can bring a civil claim against somebody okay I just sent

Brian Atlasyou sent it did you send them individually by the way or like in a group okay perfect thank you Daisy um so but going back to you Noel uh so okay you think should be what about criminal penalty I think it should be Criminal so

Brian Atlasgoing around the table do you guys think that there should be a criminal penalty for cheating and it maybe it's a misdemeanor and a like a non-married couple and a felony if you're married going around

Daisy Chenthe table starting with you Daisy what do you think well I think so because I think if a man like if they want to cheat I think it's okay to sleep with other women but I'd prefer you be honest

Daisy Chenwhat wait you oh you're you're so you're cool with if a dude yeah as long as they up front with it let's be honest like one guy sleeping with one woman for the entire of his life I don't believe that just not me do you think it's the same

Brian Atlasfor women like could you see yourself sleeping with just one guy yeah cuz feeling face away especially sex sexually so you're fine with it if the guy has other women yeah okay just be

Noelhonest I I think it should be criminalized criminalized straight to jail um the I haven't thought that deep into it but something should be done about it okay so um

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)and it should go both ways if the woman cheats what if it's just like a hand job like should that is that like have a question about this so maybe you can maybe you can like confirm you're like itching yourself like you're [ __ ]

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)like cck what's that Dave Chappelle like he's all like okay sorry go ahead Madison go ahead so I heard in France sing the D is not

Brian Atlascheating my French friend told me that France is I'm I was born in France I don't know I don't keep tabs on the dick sucking laws in France

Brian Atlasbut uh France has really interesting kind of social views on um kind of dating relationships and stuff it's a little different it's a little more

Brian Atlasuh open I guess I don't know like Mistresses are bit more tolerated I guess but anyways um so straight to jail felony yeah yeah even if it's a hand job

Noelwhat's that I said even if it's a hand job even a handy yeah anything sexual whether it's a primary sex organ or a secondary sex organ anything about a kiss and you're fine with you're fine with divorce right I like I would never

Noellike for example Catholics I know you're not Catholic they're against divorce I mean I'm against divorce to an extent I think the only exception would be like severe abuse or infidelity okay what if

Brian Atlaswhat the what if the wife like it's dead bedroom relationship and she no longer wants like has sex with her husband would that be grounds for divorce on the husband's part I would say there should

Brian Atlasbe actions taken prior to deciding that like maybe therapy therapy coup's therapy I don't know figure out stuff assum you do all those things and it's still like she just no longer wants to have sex with her husband do you think

Noelit'd be fair for the husband to divorce her maybe once the child is grown up and an adult okay what about you um I don't

Destinythink that there should be a law I mean I think that if people decide that they would want to do that within their relationship but everybody's different so if it was a law there's people who have poly relationships open relationships so I don't think there

Destinycould be a law in place because at the end of the day I mean we vote for this and we live in a democracy so if it were a poly relationship that wouldn't be cheating because that's agreed upon

Andrew Wilsonprior okay oh wait okay if you don't if you don't mind if I kind of dive into this position a little bit Yeah you go

Andrew Wilsonfor it Andre So when you say um as long as it's agreed upon then it's okay um and so the the inference here is what if

Noelyou're married uh to the to a person and they agree inside of the marriage to do this like afterwards like after their marriage um if it's agreed upon by both parties then that you know that's

Noeltwo-way consent but you have a lot of marriages that happen where the man all of a sudden wants to become you polyamorous and the wife doesn't agree or vice versa and so well the reason you

Andrew Wilsonthink that it should be criminalized is because they're breaking a vow correct yes and also you're pretty much jeopardizing that child's development and in some well let's assume there's no

Andrew Wilsonchildren you would still agree that he needs to be punished the same way right yeah you're still putting either partner at risk to contract an STD okay well let's assume that they are able to women

Andrew Wilsonwho have a clean bill of health um you would still be for such a law right I think so yeah yeah so even if you even then with all those things you'd still be for the law but wouldn't you be for

Andrew Wilsonthe law because it's breaking a vow yes because it's breaking a vow yeah but wouldn't it be breaking a vow anyway even if in the middle of their marriage they decided to open it up wouldn't you

Noelstill be breaking a vow that's a tough question I mean if if both people are agreeing on it I don't see how that could be breaking a vow cuz you're both agreeing on it but well you can agree to

Andrew Wilsonmake a vow and then later um you can consent to break the vow but you've still broken The Vow haven't you I don't understand how you can get around that like if I vowed for instance to never

Andrew Wilsondefend myself in a fight and then uh somebody attacked me and I said well I I'm going to take that vow back I I still broke the vow didn't I yeah but in that case it would be

Andrew Wilsonself-defense yeah yeah right but I still broke the vow right yes yeah so then if if people in the marriage decide to open their marriage up why wouldn't you arrest them for that as well for

Andrew Wilsonbreaking their vow that's the point well if it were a two-way you know opening up of the marriage then yes but then they still broke their vow that's very so then your

Andrew Wilsonjustification for them breaking their vow and that's what the justification is to have them arrested doesn't make much sense because they can break their vow in the middle of the marriage and still be arrested by your logic uh that or not

Andrew Wilsonarrested that doesn't make any sense now they can break vows as long as they just kind of consent to break the vow right yeah but there should probably be like something like similar to prenup prior

Andrew Wilsonto getting married that goes through all of these things that they agree upon yeah right but if in the middle of the marriage they both decide to break their

Andrew Wilsonpre-agreement and open their marriage up from your perspective that's okay but they still made a vow and broke their vow and that's a justification why you think they should be arrested if one cheats on the other so that doesn't make

Noela lot of sense to me well I think situ like depending on the situation maybe not arrested but definitely something like a fine or something to you know punish them cuz why would why would you

Andrew Wilsoneven get married in the first place if you plan on it of opening up your marriage or if well we'll assume that they didn't plan on it but they just decided in the middle of it to do so just like I'm sure that people don't

Andrew Wilsonplan on having a sexist marriage but often times they do right well maybe those laws would be an incentive for people to Choose Wisely and get married like if you truly love that person so

Andrew Wilsonyou would retra so you would retract it then and say that it's actually probably a better policy that you could not open your marriage up even by consent because you would still be breaking your vow

Brian Atlasright yeah yeah okay uh you answered the question I believe Kelly should it be you know straight to jail cheating um I just

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)think that's just too unrealistic to criminal penalties criminal criminal penalties for for cheating no that's no

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)I agree agree okay I feel like uh like oh um I think that there shouldn't be a laot of

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)you cheat cuz there's different positions you can be put in and I don't think uh it's like a straight line like I get married I cheat and then pay a

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)fine I feel like there's open relationships there's people who um the partner likes the other partner to have relationships with other partner I well cheating would imply that there was some

Brian Atlasunderstanding that it was monogamous but one partner like if you if you're in an open relationship it's not I don't consider cheating mhm but I feel like when a marriage um when you

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)live so long together after a time you do not want to have sex with each other or you still do and I feel like like people change and they're like okay let's open up our relationship and

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)that's when the other person's like oh no I don't or yes I do okay uh Maddie I mean yeah I think cheating is terrible but I just also think it's

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)unrealistic but I feel like by your standards that you would set criminalizing infidelity I guess don't you think people would just be in more

Noelopen relationships it would probably cause that but then it would also lower divorce rates it would lower a lot of things are you okay with like open or like what's your stance on that for me I'm not I don't care if other people are

Andrew Wilsonin an O open relationship as long as it's a two-party consent but if you don't if you don't care if other people are in open relationships then why would you legislate it why would I allow for open

Andrew Wilsonrelationships to be no why would you make legislation penalizing people for breaking their vow in an open relationship if you don't care

NoelI mean that's a difficult question you know I haven't thought that far into it it's just like a generalization that I kind of well just to be clear are you against open relationships or it's

Brian Atlasspecifically cheating within the confines of monogamous clearly indicated monogamous relationship okay well we'll move on from that um Daisy we have your

Brian AtlasInstagram things don't pull it up quite yet um so it's from 2015 2018 2020 no yeah 2015 2018 2020 okay so guys in the

Brian Atlaschat you're we're we're checking you know Daisy back in the day back in the was this this is like the Obama

Brian AtlasAdministration okay and then 2018 the Trump Administration and then 2020 okay all right let's pull it up you you data okay this is

Brian AtlasDaisy no plastic surgery wait hold on no plastic surgery here nothing no boobs no yeah right come on it looks like there's he doesn't believe right you don't have

Daisy Chento believe but I'm just telling you that's 2015 it still looks the boobs look because naturally my boobs are perky they look fine fit cuz I my skin

Daisy Chenare very tight but here my boobs are small but they're just like are they those they are small I mean it

Daisy Chenlooks are you so no fake titties in 2015 no no fake titties 2015 just do a calculation I would be so young so you're wait you're 28 hold on you got to

Brian Atlasremember I'm you know years ago math is not my forte you would have been 19 I don't know 18 years old I was in school 18-year-olds begin big titties and bbls and [ __ ] started in maybe not in N9

Daisy Chenyears ago because that time it wasn't like very popular you know in China so okay just to confirm no fake titties okay right

Brian Atlasnext all right and so you said you did have some stuff done with the face you got your eyelids here I got my eyeliner but have you had the was it the bu fat in the have you had that no I've never

Daisy Chenhad that I always had anything for the jaw or anything uh I do like Ballo B and here I got lips yeah lip injection okay

Brian Atlasyeah and then next and then this is 2020 yeah you're in Paris I'm sorry for you

Daisy Chenbeing in Paris 2020 yeah okay no surgery no surgery no I mean like nose the the biggest is my nose cuz if I change my nose I look completely different you

Daisy Chenknow but right now I look different it's because my makeup my style the way I dress and also because I did bodybuilding so you have like a face photo even before cuz like that first

Brian Atlasphoto from 2015 you you're looking down down you're wearing sunglasses I let's see it we got to see it anyways have to find it okay that's fine uh anybody else

Brian Atlashere ever had any plastic surgery M I'm just kidding what okay no any anyone here ever had plastic surgery no nothing nothing nothing have you considered it

Brian Atlashave you guys considered like oh I'd like to maybe get fake boobs anybody I have considered it yeah any of you like thought about it but like I wouldn't do

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)it you've thought about it okay like it' be cool yeah boobs but but like I'm fine I'm fine without him I don't need

Brian Atlashim okay I want to ask the the guys in the room Andrew I'm gonna ask Andrew I also want to ask the chat the viewers maybe we can start a poll uh actually

Brian Atlashold on I'm going to do it I'm going to do a poll it feels like I'm kind of singling Daisy out here in now because I'm asking this do you prefer women without plastic

Daisy Chensurgery with or without with or without plastic surgery me personally I'm not a fan no offense Daisy I don't mind no offense I

Gustavodon't mind not a fan either Gustavo you fan are you fan of some giant fake titties no no no Sor Nick you're

Brian Atlaslying it is he might he might be lying cuz there's a bit of flirtation there was a flirtation between Gustavo and Daisy no I swear not I swear not no not not like anything it was just like a

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)little eye contact I I picked up he just looked like cute you know cute me have you ever seen a girl that has plastic surgery and you're like you actually didn't look better

Kelly/Destiny/Ateri/Maddie (mixed)before have I seen a girl who got plastic surgery who has plastic surgery and then seen her prior and you're like oh you actually look better now I think they always look better

Brian Atlasbefore the plastic surgery do you prefer bigger boobs or smaller natural bigger or smaller so okay I actually don't care I don't care

Brian Atlasreally it I don't really care I'm I'm I'm part of the small City committee okay I I like small boobs I like big boobs I like them both no you have to pick one if I had to pick one yeah how

Brian Atlasbig are the are when we say big how big are we like some [ __ ] melons some [ __ ] can crusher I'm saying

Daisy Chenbeautifully big like like a C cup like C cup versus a cup like d e yeah like you

Daisy Chencan see clearly like you can see clearly the cleavage the cleavage yeah you can see cleav be honest be

Brian Atlashonest please no look big boobs are nice but like I would never like if a girl had absolutely no boobs I would never be like that would disqualify that would never disqualify

Brian AtlasI'm just saying like to pick sure in terms of like what is most perhaps uh actually you know what though hold on let me double down on the small boob

Brian Atlasteam here uh you ever seen like Greek or Roman statues these women aren't like have giant [ __ ] melons right they have like modes sized boobs they're like

Brian Atlaswell proportion and those are like that is sort of like what's beautiful and so I have this theory that pisses everyone off so a girl with small boobs she can be she can be beautiful

Brian Atlasand she could be hot mhm but a woman with like giant [ __ ] knockers she can be hot she can be sexy I don't know if she can be

Brian Atlasbeautiful in terms of her titties how about mine oh my God I'm getting take on that ran how about mine what about yours I don't like no offense Daisy like do they look disgusting they

Brian Atlasdon't to to be you want me to be honest with you yeah so I'm not going to I wouldn't I wouldn't use the term disgusting but okay I actually don't like the look of

Daisy Chenfake titties okay and the feel okay not a fan of the feel I don't I don't like the feel of the fake titties surgery could be very natural you you wouldn't tell guys don't want to

Brian AtlasS surgery yeah look I have a radar for fake titties no you don't mine look fake because I have like very tight skin I didn't have body fat before right yeah that's true some are more convincing than others I do have a radar for the

Brian Atlasfake titties though so what they just have how she could be wearing a turtleneck and I'm like fake tit how do you know you haven't had experience with that oh what do you mean haven't had experience with you told you told everybody you don't like fake tits I

Brian Atlasdon't yeah but how did you know I've had one or two encounters with women who've had plastic surgery they tricked me okay I was tricked I got tricked okay they

Brian Atlasgot past my fake titty radar and uh the feel though not a f oh she sent them yeah we'll take a look mhm let's take a

Background/Productionlook this is date when was this 2013 okay chat hold on cute I know yeah I know nice one I don't think you need you

Andrew Wilsonneed I think you were fine what wait I'm sorry what what age did you say 2013 oh 2013 yeah so how old were you in

Daisy Chenthat pck 17 uh just say 18 18 yeah I don't know I'm not good at math

Daisy Chensorry 2 plus I don't think you needed to change anything to be honest well to be honest I don't care what people think of me I do what makes myself happy yeah

Daisy Chenwhat made you want to get your right I wanted to look like this and I look like this nobody's paying for my bill right they can judge I don't

Daisy Chenmind what you Faceook job okay we'll do what made I want to um Okay so so this is when yeah that was in Egypt Egypt

Brian Atlassorry about that I was okay never mind what what wait why were you in Egypt travel oh vacation wait why why were you I wait go back Nick go back okay so this

Daisy Chenis uh you have some lip filler here though right uh I uh I don't remember probably it's the lipstick but here what year is this oh you got the fake titties though yeah okay there's too much's too

Brian Atlasmuch analysis going on the the F first for for procedure yeah all right so Boys you've seen some photos what do you

Brian Atlasthink before would you prefer would you have prefer Daisy after or before before after okay all right anyways

TTS/Donationsum sorry to put you on the spot like that Daisy it's fine I don't like okay yeah we it's just a conversation that comes up all the time loose [ __ ] energy donated

TTS/Donations$200 you let him hit raw you didn't have second thoughts now you're a single mom now you're a single mom you said I am a

TTS/Donationsof his kids don't care if he's here or not now you're a single mom #o thanks to you uh well we'll get into

Brian Atlasthat in just a second here so where are my notes let me see here let me actually before we do that I do have to read one actually Daisy M I'm going to have you read it okay

Daisy Chendo you want to read it your name is J uh J CH not Daisy you a liar you're a fraud you're an escor and a criminal I cannot wait for you to be

Daisy Chendeported what fil Christian is King okay do you want to address any of those I don't want to address anything you can do whatever you want if you are able to

Brian Atlasget me deported go ahead I don't give a [ __ ] sure um let's see here so okay getting into the notes speaking of Mother's Day it's Mother's

Brian AtlasDay today uh we have Daisy here yeah Daisy um so I think we start off oh one quick

Brian AtlasAndrew can't wait to talk yeah well so I'll have I have a what I was just going to say happy irony day what is that

Brian Atlasirony irony ironic ironic ironic oh um so I've I I'm G to get through some of my questions I have some questions for you some questions for Noel um and then

Brian AtlasAndrew has some questions so I'll just try to get through mine as quickly as possible and then uh Andrew has a couple questions and then we'll go from there I think a good starting point though is so there was um so you were involved uh

Brian Atlasromantically involved with Walter from the fnf podcast and uh you guys were dating yeah

Brian Atlasand W you can you just just give us a quick maybe 30 second summary of kind of everything that that's gone down and then we'll get into the

Daisy Chendetails okay so yeah I updated this guy he was uh the owner of the podcast of fresh and fit and I met him on last year

Daisy ChenNovember mhm and then we start become official on December end of December it was like new year so he made it official

Daisy Chenhe posted Us on YouTube caption was she bought my mama gift now it's serious and she uh he asked me in person like I want you to be mine no other guys MH then I

Daisy Chenwent back home for Chinese New Year then we started talking like you know then uh I told him I was going to move to Miami and that's what happened then when we

Daisy Chenactually came back to Miami I stayed in his apartment for more than two weeks then I got pregnant I got pregnant then he like when I found out I'm pregnant he already

Daisy Chenbroke up with me that was like 2 weeks later I stayed in Miami he broke he broke up with me before I found out I'm pregnant okay why did he break up with

Daisy Chenyou I don't know he just switches off which I found out later that he might be playing the game the whole time and uh he didn't want the kid

Daisy Chenso I when I called him he told me I don't want the baby you go get a pill mhm that's it that's uh actually I did have one other question

Brian Atlasbefore we delve into this um actually you know what maybe we'll we'll come to it at the end I was going to ask you kind of did you do any dating when you were living in China no

Brian Atlasno dating okay I cut it off like I was completely solid okay CU I just it's unrelated to the the Walter thing but I was just curious about you know perhaps the

Brian Atlasdifferences in terms of dating in China versus here in the US uh are you know those differences but we'll come back to that so yeah uh so let's I think you went over timeline here so you were uh

Brian Atlasyou met him in November is that correct Daisy right and then you broke up in February or March March March and March 25th he broke up with me March 25th he

Daisy Chenbroke up with you when did you find out you were pregnant um April 1st April 1 yeah I did a test I had a pregnancy test on April 1st Okay so that's like I went

Daisy Chenahead and I text him I showed him the pregn pregnancy test okay then he's like I'm going to call you back then he told

Brian Atlasme I don't want any kids so you you took a pregnancy test you were texting him you let him know yeah and then not long

Daisy Chenthereafter you wanted he wanted to call you or you wanted to call him he said he was on some kind of party and he said I'm going to call you back so he called

Brian Atlasme back for 5 minutes didn't didn't went well was this the conversation that you recorded no okay was uh that was later

Brian Atlasthat was later okay yeah so I guess what perhaps the first thing we do is actually listen to the uh con the

Brian Atlasrecorded conversation that you have with him um one point of clarification you there seems to be some disc discussion of a lawsuit I'm a

Brian Atlaslittle confused there is there actually a lawsuit yes it just went very slow are you the defendant or the plaintiff defend you're the defendant

Daisy Chenokay so they Walter filed a defamation no no no I I I am going to file it's AFF but there's not currently you nobody's filed my not yet my lawyer is working on

Brian Atlasevery evidence right now so you do have a lawyer yes I do okay so there hasn't been a filed case yet but you intend to file is it a defamation action and

Daisy Chencoration coer Co a CO oh coercion coer coer yeah Co right um and you're doing this I'm assuming in the State of Florida is that correct uh that I have

Daisy Chento like follow up with my lawyer cuz you said you live in New York right yeah I'm St in New York is there any reason you would file it in New York versus Florida cuz he he lives in Florida right

Daisy Chenuh I don't know actually my lawyer they're super busy because they're like very big in New York City they haven't told me anything just like few days ago they text me like they're going to

Brian Atlascollect all the evidence and then make announcements wait so hold on is this um your are they taking this

Brian Atlason uh [ __ ] what's the term for it no like um are you paying them or is this like they're taking it on contingency

Daisy Chencontingency is that the term contingency yeah but we talk about it I was supposed to be paying but then uh I told them like cuz low feed is very expensive in here I wasn't be able to collecting all

Daisy Chenthis money and my bank account is in China so there they gave me this all right solution well we can talk more about the potential lawsuit later but um

Brian Atlaswhy we play the video because you recorded a uh a phone call a phone conversation that you had with him yeah uh we'll play it just so the audience

Brian Atlascan hear um what I I guess my question for you is what prompted you to want to record this conver conversation see uh

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