95 Body Count At 22?! Hater LAWSUIT?! Single Mom Wants 6ft $250,000/Year Man?! | Dating Talk #230

Date: 2025-02-24

Duration: 8h 28m

Guests

Brian Atlas

FFreda (Nicole)>

HHunter Marie >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01Q(guest)

SPEAKER_05Hunter(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Aaliyah(guest)

SPEAKER_10Daisy(guest)

SPEAKER_11Dila(guest)

SPEAKER_12Lindsay(guest)

SPEAKER_13Adriana(guest)

SPEAKER_14Freda (Nicole)(guest)

Key Moments

OtherBrian matchmakes Daisy with billionaires (Elon, Bezos, Zuckerberg) as joke after Ashley St. Clair story. Daisy looks into camera and says she "wouldn't mind" having a baby with Elon Musk. Funny exchange about finder's fee of $1 billion.

“Daisy Offers to Have Elon Musk's Baby on Camera”

ControversyBrian plays clip of him joining Ashley St. Clair's Twitter space where she was attacking Whatever podcast, and trolling her by asking her body count repeatedly. She calls them "degenerate scum." Context: she later had Elon Musk's baby and sued him.

“Ashley St. Clair Twitter Space Body Count Trolling”

OtherBrian runs the delusional dating calculator for Daisy (wants $1M+/year, 30-45 age, not obese, any race, 5'10"+): 0.034% probability. Then runs for Hunter (wants $250k+/year, 6ft+, 35-45 age, not obese, not married, any color): 0.047% probability. Hunter says 47 is her lucky number she sees everywhere.

“Delusional Dating Calculator Results”

OtherLindsay shares that in her 20s she was The Other Woman for a man who had a girlfriend 13 years younger than Lindsay. She didn't know she was the other woman. He was sleeping around while maintaining the younger girlfriend. Used as example of why women should understand dating market dynamics.

“Lindsay Admits Being The Other Woman Without Knowing”

OtherDaisy reveals she has spent approximately $200,000 total on cosmetic work (breast implants/gummy bear type, eyebrow implants, lip filler and other work). Paid for by billionaire ex-boyfriend who supported her athletic career. Brian jokes about her chakras being blocked by fake titties.

“Daisy Claims $200k in Cosmetic Surgery Total”

QuoteAaliyah declares "the woman IS the table" (not bringing something to the table — she IS the table). Brian and Q challenge this. Raises hands of several women who agree. Extended debate about what women actually bring to relationships beyond biology.

“Aaliyah: "The Woman Is the Table"”

OtherBrian reads Aaliyah's OnlyFans bio written by her agency: "The perfect online girlfriend you've been dreaming of, here to be your everything... ready to make you throb." Aaliyah claims the agency wrote it, not her. Extended debate about accountability and whether she provides the "girlfriend experience" to vulnerable men.

“OnlyFans Agency Bio Revealed - "Perfect Online Girlfriend"”

ControversyDaisy argues there's no difference between a wife having sex with husband vs a sex worker — both exchanging sex for resources. Panel erupts. "I'd rather prefer a man who pays me for one time than one who doesn't want to pay me for my entire life." Brian says it's one of the most damning statements he's heard. Daisy walks it back slightly but stands her ground.

“Daisy Calls Wives "Sex Workers for Life"”

OtherQ shares that he had a client who spent $20,000 in one month on an OnlyFans creator who was feeding him lies about wanting to meet and be with him. Used as evidence against Aaliyah's claim her OnlyFans is harmless. Dila expresses sympathy for the client and calls it fraud.

“Q Reveals Client Spent $20k on OnlyFans Woman Who Faked Love”

OtherDonor Clay challenges the panel with "What started WWI?" — nobody knows (answers include: industrial revolution, nuclear bomb, China, fighting over land). Brian is the only one who knows: assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand by Gavrilo Princip. Then asks decade — guesses range from 1550s to 1800s (correct is 1910s). "You're in the wrong century!" Cold War also asked; Freda/Nicole thinks it was cold temperature, others think about atomic bombs from WWII.

“World War I Knowledge Quiz - Panel Knows Nothing”

OtherNicole/Freda shares she was almost used as bait in a robbery scheme in Houston junior year of high school — a guy friend wanted her to DM a scammer who brought $10k to school to flex, lure him somewhere secluded, then his crew with guns would rob the target. Her cut would have been $5,000. She declined. Knows a girl who did it to another guy.

“Nicole/Freda Almost Participated in Houston Robbery Honeypot Scheme”

OtherAdriana shares that a man she was dating was into voodoo and black magic (from Liberia), still talking to his ex the whole time. Adriana saged her apartment after learning this. Noticed that good things happened when she stopped talking to him and bad things (car broke down, grandma died, friend-zoned) when she went back to talking to him. Met the ex at a bar who showed her proof of his voodoo involvement.

“Adriana Almost Participates in Voodoo Man's Life Spiral”

OtherHunter shares she's been on dates with two men over 65. Met one at Nobu on her birthday — he flies helicopters with Harrison Ford's stunt double, sent her $500 on her birthday. Met another through mutual friend. Describes them as "sweet and gentle." Brian questions if this is sugar dating; Hunter says she never had sex with either.

“Hunter Dates Men Over 65 Including Helicopter Pilot”

OtherBrian offers a $2 bill to whoever answers the body count question (all had declined). Adriana accepts and reveals her body count. Then explains her first sexual experience made her think men only love her for sex, leading to her pattern. Lindsay responds supportively. Q explains evolutionary male response to high body count.

“Adriana Reveals High Body Count for $2 Bill”

OtherFresh (of Fresh & Fit podcast) sends a $30 TTS roast during the show directed at Daisy: "Daisy I knocked you up briefly but you f***ed me up permanently. I could have given you the world. Even let you continue OF and film with other ninjas as long as you were with me." Daisy reacts with "no you didn't."

“Fresh Sends Roast During Live Show”

Topics Discussed

Show intro & announcements

Brian introduces the show, explains donation/TTS system, StreamLabs, merch, Discord. Story about kicking out a belligerent woman who called him the n-word.

Guest introductions

All 7 guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation, education). Aaliyah: 25, LA, UGC/metaphysics bachelor, OnlyFans. Daisy: 30, China/NY, content creator/fashion degree. Adriana: 22, Boston/LA, dancer/psych-bio major. Nicole/Freda: 18, Houston, UCSB biology. Lindsay: 36, Wisconsin, sales rep/journalism. Dila: 29, Italy/Valencia, English teacher/PA. Hunter Marie: 25, OC/LA, oral surgery assistant/trade school.

Relationship status round

Brian asks each guest about current relationship status, longest relationship, recent dating activity. Q is taken (3-year relationship). Adriana recently friend-zoned/ghosted. Nicole/Freda in 4-month relationship. Lindsay single 1+ year. Dila engaged. Aaliyah single 6 months (has 7-year-old). Hunter single 3 years. Daisy single ~1 year post-Walter.

Ashley St. Clair / Elon Musk baby mama drama

Brian presents the story of Ashley St. Clair (conservative political pundit, Whatever hater for 2+ years) announcing she had Elon Musk's baby 5 months ago and filing a lawsuit for sole custody/paternity/child support. Evidence from Signal messages (photographed with secondary phone) shows she planned to get pregnant by Elon. Panel reacts: predatory, premeditated, hypocritical given her conservative family-values messaging. She had tweeted "no sin as cruel as alienating a child from a parent" while now seeking sole custody. Her anti-Trump attorney also notable. Brian played clips from her prior attacks on Whatever.

Daisy delusional calculator

Brian runs the delusional dating calculator for Daisy: wants a man aged 30-45, not obese, minimum 5'10", any race, makes $1M+/year. Result: 0.034% probability — 5 out of 5 cats (delusional).

Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10, can't pick 7. Ratings: Aaliyah=10 (joking), Daisy=10 most of the time, Adriana (skipped/6 face), Nicole/Freda=6, Lindsay=8 (for her age), Dila=10 (under pressure), Hunter=7.5, Q=5.8. Brian rates himself 5. Then asks what 1000 men would rate them: Aaliyah=8, Daisy=8, Adriana=6, Dila=5-6, Hunter=8-9. Donor Michael Jones rated them: chair 1=7, 7, 5, 4, 3, 4, 6, 5, Q and Brian both TBD.

AI age filter & gender swap segment

AI age filter applied to each guest showing them in 30-35 years. Gender-swap AI filters also used. Notable: Adriana's male version looks like her dad. Hunter's aged version compared to Lindsay Lohan. Nicole/Freda's male version looks Ethiopian/too feminine. Daisy aged up looks Latina. Brian's young photo shown (~21 years old, thinner). Lindsay's male version looks like Edward Norton.

Better looking in 10 years discussion

Brian asks each guest if they'll be better looking in 10 years. Results: Aaliyah uncertain, Daisy no at 40, Adriana yes at 32 (peak), Nicole/Freda no at 28, Lindsay yes now vs 26, Dila yes at 28, Hunter yes at 35 (peak at 35-45).

Men falling in love first / male commitment dynamics

Q argues research shows men fall in love first and value relationships more (due to scarcity). Women have more options so are less invested early. Most men don't have leverage to leave relationships. Debate about whether women are seeking men out of their league. Lindsay shares being The Other Woman without knowing it.

Aaliyah: oracle/psychic/divine feminine

Discussion of Aaliyah's oracle/psychic identity, divine feminine philosophy, Instagram posts about dark femininity, body as altar. Brian criticizes Aaliyah's OnlyFans as incompatible with her traditional/feminine values messaging. Instagram posts shown including provocative captions. Debate about whether her agency-written OnlyFans bio ("Perfect online girlfriend") is her responsibility.

Dating as a single mom / Aaliyah's dating stories

Aaliyah shares dating stories: helicopter tour first date, Beverly Hills dinner with private driver who handed out $100 bills, gun altercation with drug dealer where police helicopter followed them, doctor offered free Botox then tried to make her sugar baby.

OnlyFans, sex work, and traditional values debate

Extended debate triggered by Aaliyah and Daisy doing OnlyFans while demanding traditional men (providers, courtship, protectors). Brian argues this is contradictory — you can't demand gentlemanly treatment while producing pornographic content. Q argues submission comes from genuine attraction, not financial provision. Q shares story of client who spent $20k on an OnlyFans woman who faked love. Lindsay talks about having no boundaries in her 20s vs now having discernment. Adriana defends waitressing vs OnlyFans. Panel divided on whether body count and sex work are relevant to relationships.

Body count discussion

Extended discussion on body count — whether it matters, whether women should disclose, Adriana shares her high body count story (first sexual experience made her think men only want sex; $2 bill revelation). Discussion about whether past actions follow you. Q explains visceral male response to high body count is evolutionary, not rational. Lindsay discusses holding sexual standards raises the bar for men to commit.

Men wanting younger women discussion

Aaliyah argues men want younger women because they're easier to manipulate and avoid accountability. Brian and Q counter with biological/evolutionary explanation: fertility and youth = sexual attractiveness. Brian reverses argument: older women are MORE susceptible to manipulation because their biological clock is ticking and they desperately want kids. College girls can't be manipulated with "I want to have your babies" — they don't care. The 30+ woman can.

Historical/general knowledge quiz

Donor "Clay" challenges the panel with: What started WWI? (assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand by Gavrilo Princip — Brian is the only one who knew). What decade was WWI? (most answered wildly wrong — 1700s, 1600s). What was the Cold War? (panel mostly clueless; Freda/Nicole guessed it was cold temperature). Brian explains correctly.

Income requirements for future husband

Brian asks each guest their minimum yearly income for a future husband. Results: Aaliyah=$250,000; Daisy=$1 million (NYC standard); Adriana=equal to or same as her; Nicole/Freda=more than anesthesiologist salary ($300k+); Lindsay=currently makes $80k, would like $330k, wants to be retired by a man; Dila=doesn't care about money (makes more than fiancé); Hunter=$250,000-$300,000 minimum (medical field). Brian runs delusional calculator for Hunter: 0.047% probability (35-45yo, 6ft+, $250k+, not obese, not married, any race).

Daisy / Fresh & Fit pregnancy discussion

Brief revisit of Daisy's situation with Fresh (Fresh & Fit podcast). Brian asks if she was really pregnant; Daisy confirms she was and took a pill. Fresh texted her Happy Valentine's Day (says it was a mistake/wrong person). Dila corroborates Daisy was genuinely in love and heartbroken. Daisy says she's moved on, grateful God closed that door, started OnlyFans afterward.

Height requirements discussion

Brian asks each guest their height and minimum height for a partner. Aaliyah=5'1", wants 6ft minimum. Daisy=5'6", wants 5'10"+. Adriana=prefers 5'7"-5'9". Nicole/Freda=Ethiopian preference, wants curly-haired Black man; no strong height requirement stated. Lindsay=5'9", would accept 5'9" (dated shorter). Dila=5'8" (170cm), wants 6ft. Hunter=4'11", says 6ft but has dated shorter men.

Bear vs man in the forest

Would you rather encounter a random man or a bear in the forest? Daisy and Dila chose bear (would befriend it). Adriana bear. Nicole/Freda refused to answer directly, wanted conditions. Hunter chose man (fantasizes about organic forest romance). Lindsay chose man. Aaliyah chose man. Brian says bear-choosers are sexist and hate men.

Sugar daddies / selling pics round

Quick round: Have you had a sugar daddy or sold pics? Aaliyah=yes (OnlyFans). Daisy=yes (billionaire boyfriend paid for lifestyle). Adriana=yes (guy at club paid $1k for her to stay, Zelled money for weeks then disappeared). Nicole/Freda=yes went on dates with older man who gave money but no sex. Lindsay=no but experienced being courted and paid for dates. Dila=sort of (guy in relationship Zelled money without asking). Hunter=yes has ~2-3 sugar daddy figures who help but no romantic/sexual contact.

Gender pay gap and equal rights debate

Brian challenges: Aaliyah and Daisy say women don't have equal rights (pay gap) but also want traditional men to be providers. Brian explains the gender pay gap shrinks to 1 cent on the dollar when controlling for field, hours, geography. Argues Society is actually more comfortable for women than men (men: majority in prison, drug addiction, suicide, homeless, workplace deaths). Women have dual option: boss babe career OR stay-at-home wife. Men have only one path: provide or be undesirable. Aaliyah suggests menstrual cycles mean 9-to-5 is designed for men's biology (cycles every 24 hours vs women's 28 days).

Roast session ($30 TTS)

Final roast session where viewers send $29.99-$30 roasts of the panel. Notable roasts include Fresh texting Daisy, rating Brian's looks (5-6 from most guests, 10 from Hunter), Fresh sends a roast directly. Brian asks panel to rate his looks then reflects on being older/heavier than his younger self in photos.

Makeup removal / show outro

Aaliyah removes her makeup on air (using dissolving makeup pad). Final show notes. Brian wraps up, announces next Tuesday show at 5pm Pacific. Twitch raid to Ziko (League of Legends player).

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswhat does that look like is there wait is there a New York City wait hold on New York City child support calculator oh God hold on let me look if there's a thing oh

Brian Atlasoh wait I think I might have it hold on a here we go okay Daman I'm going to send this to you you're going to we're going to do a little we're going to see how much Elon Musk is in trouble with the New York City child support

Brian Atlascalculator Daisy I think you probably use this one too um but uh you know whatever is this the one you use Daisy probably okay make it bigger

Brian Atlasplease bigger bigger okay uh that's fine enter the number okay one enter the non-custodial

Brian Atlasuh here let me see if we Elon Musk gross income I don't know if it would

Brian Atlasah have to chat chat in the chat just ask chat DP what do you think what do you think his grow uh gross annual income

Brian Atlasis 200 billion out what do chat what do you think his uh gross income

Brian Atlasis 100 million no I don't think he let's say cash out uh well you know what let's just say

Brian Atlaslet's do 10 billion I know it's a yeah that's already so much do the total what does that

Brian Atlassay huh oh yeah I guess you got to get rid of the commas yeah wait what hold on how many zeros are wait what

Brian Atlaswait uh can wait sorry 1.5 billion what wait what hold on wait yeah comma there and then show

Brian Atlasme is that 1.53 no billion that's billion right yes yes or wait ah it's hard with all the zeros is it seven zeros or six

Brian Atlaszeros I think it's seven that's still a lot of zeros either way so it's 1.5 billion too many zeros what that's

Brian Atlas15 153 million no no I think that's not billion wait hold on it's it's 1.5 billion it's one so five okay one 1

Brian Atlasbillion $530 million what the [ __ ] New York this is why there needs to be caps

Brian Atlason child support in no world does it take 1.53 billion to raise a

Brian Atlaskid I know people people in the chat are saying income not net worth I used 10 billion guys his net worth is what 500

Brian AtlasBill wait Elon Musk net worth 384 billion if his net worth is 384 billion I don't think that's crazy to say he his income would

Brian Atlasbe 10 billion right that's probably low right I don't know I don't

Brian Atlasknow uh anyways that's crazy though I have a couple chats coming Q can you can you read these laptop and okay okay here I'm

Aaliyahgonna have Aaliyah read it Aaliyah can you read it Elon Empire will span the globe but seriously as someone who genuinely supports Elon this behavior is

Brian Atlasreprehensible you can't go around knocking up women just because you're rich okay well he's got like a gangas con thing going so thank you uh Michael

TTS/DonationsJones thank you appreciate it for $1 million cash post tax would you make amends with Ashley move in with her and help co-parent her Elon baby bro if he's

Brian Atlaspaying her 1.53 billion a year first off if I have a kid with Ashley stclair do I can I is that income is

Brian Atlaschild support income because I'll take a percent of the you know I'll have a kid with her

Brian Atlasshe ain't sharing [ __ ] with you Brian but look if I can go after her child support like if I can get child support from her child support cuz at 1.53 billion she's making

Brian Atlasmore than me yeah I'll knock her up but see I'll be smart about it I'll get three kids out of her she she [ __ ] up she Elon

Dilawanted multiple kids Brian wants triplets [ __ ] yeah but he has these upset that the population of the world is actually decreasing and that we all should create more babies like he's been

Brian Atlastelling the same thing since like day one that is true but anyways um that's it for the Ashley St Clair stuff but uh wow can is can can you get child support

Brian Atlasoff of Child Support cuz like what's up Ashley [ __ ] [ __ ] you Brian

Brian Atlasmisogynistic yeah [ __ ] degenerate okay um I'm just saying [ __ ] it that'll be the ultimate

Brian Atlasbamboozle I'm taking some of your child support now okay whatever all right I'm going to move it on to uh next thing here I need to get up for just a moment though to change a couple things okay

Brian Atlaslet's see here we're going to uh you know what Q you know what Q what's up I need to get up

Brian Atlasum so here how about this does anybody have like a dating thing that they want to touch on while I got to get up for a

Lindsaysec hello yeah okay go go go go um when I first moved to California I

Lindsaywas living in the tech area where Google Facebook the Zuckerberg's everything not attracted to the tech man um what I was seeing or experiencing was on

Lindsaythe dating apps there was three men that I came across one I was about to go on a date out with we were about to meet up and he goes I should probably let you know I'm

Lindsaymarried have three children my wife has a girlfriend she wants me to have a girlfriend as well open marriage I met two other men in that

Lindsayarea the wives left them for another woman because they opened up their marriage to a

Lindsaythreesome what I ended up hearing from the men who got their hearts broken was the women were actually attracted to more the feminine they were more masculine

Lindsaywoman so the man felt emasculated he was then very lost cuz he thought he found the woman of his like of his dreams there are a lot of IM masculine

Lindsaymen in California that was proof to me there's something a little off here what is happening in that in your opinion a lot of emasculated men in

LindsayCalifornia or you just feel there's a whole bunch in that but the opening up the marriage to thre sums I know that's a man's that's a kink but the and these were beautiful

Lindsaywomen they're not butch looking women I I do worry that men don't know the difference between a truly feminine woman and a masculine woman mhm mhm so could we maybe go into that uh yeah

Qabsolutely I mean the first thing you have to look at is this whole boss babe um phenomenon that's going on like a lot of these women like do you know if their wives I don't know what conversations you had with them but do you know if

Qtheir wives had like their own things going on did they where they did they have like high income levels where they doing things to where they were in positions of authority leadership the men you know acquest to what they want

Lindsaywhat do you know the dynamic ex of these marriages California you do need mainly a two income household okay um so yeah a lot of women are pursuing their own

Lindsaymoney um kind of what I'm getting to get back to Ashley even with all the money she still

Qwants something going on in her life some women still need a hobby so that's yeah I I think I think a lot of

Qmen well first I will say feminism contribute to that um of course but I think men struggle um setting boundaries like a lot of guys they conform to what

Qtheir women want and they try to please their women way too much and they don't want to lose their women and that in itself is feminine because a lot of women sometimes you have to put your foot down sometimes you have to tell

Qyour woman I'm not going for this this is how it's going to be if you don't like it you can get to step in like essentially and I find that often like in my clientele a lot of guys who have

Qlost their balls in a relationship they're scared to open their mouth up to their woman and tell their woman what they won't accept they're scared to discipline their woman in a way to where they think their woman would leave them

Qand what to me what that conveys is that the woman has more leverage in a relationship she's higher in mate value than he is because a man should never be scared to lose his woman if it means he

Qkeeps his respect you know what I mean so a lot of men give up respect they give up footing in a relationship in order to to please their woman to keep the relationship going and that's true that some to some degree as a man if you

Qwant the relationship to work then you got to be willing to hear your woman out be a little bit vulnerable here and there of course she has to say has a say you can delegate hey baby you want to do this give her options but ultimately you

Qmake the decision but when it comes to things like opening up a marriage that's not a good idea on any man's behalf because what a woman is going to do if a woman wants an open marriage then essentially her respect for you and her

Qattraction to you has diminished and if she's stepping outside of the marriage she's bound to have an emotional connection with whoever she's letting in on that end and the fact that she

Qalready lacks that respect for you to allow an open marriage means that she's already one foot out the door yeah you get what I'm say you get what I'm saying so so you said the guys initiated the

Lindsayopen marriage or the women suggested women diden it was actually they saw instead of having more children they're like okay it's feeling a little stale is what it sounded like to me so they involved a third party usually exactly

Qso that that's a gateway to a divorce anyway exactly it's a gateway to a divorce yeah I don't believe men should ever ever accept a woman saying hey I think we should have an open marriage from the moment your woman said that you lost your woman I feel like instead of

Dilaopening your marriage like they should actually try to have a better communication without having the fear like two adult sitting down and be like

Dilahey you not maybe doing this makes me feel less loved or I feel lack of attention and same for the man I feel like people should actually try to be more the cabie out here every single one

Lindsayof them married in their 20s early had children very young too early so they the woman did not develop

Lindsaycommunication and this is where I get the push for marriage family I understand that completely I'm all on board for it but women need time to be

Qable to learn about themselves and what they truly want and then they can fully in my opinion be led by a man because I think I I personally think a man helps them see that though but that that's a

Qman who understands who he is and knows where he's going because as a guy like with my girlfriend I'm 6 years older than my girlfriend she's 26 but when I

Qstep into her life and I tell her what we're doing how we're going to do things I tell her what her role is even though sometimes you know she gets caught up in her own way that's that's that's in any

Qrelationship I redirect her and let her know listen I know you even I I I I tell her this I know you better than you know yourself because I'm good at analyzing human behavior I see the little snarky

Qfaces you make I see the little things that you do that can become problematic down the line it's better that you learn how to check that right now because if you don't we're not going to work because I'm not going to put up with with that and that's just like teaching

Qyour woman molding your woman as you go along it helps her understand that your identity is going to be essentially Incorporated to who I am we have a relationship so it's not going to be about you and how you operate all the time and what you want you going to have

Qto consider how would I feel about what you doing you going to have to move considering what would he think about this and I think a guy who knows who he is and has established himself as the as the masculine presence in the

Qrelationship has no issue conveying that and a woman who really respects him wants to be with him has no issue following yeah definitely true how long did it take you to feel in that

Qcompetent role of I'm ready to lead a woman um I mean I've kind of always been like that like it came natural for me um because I've always been a leader like I

QI don't have a big brother um um like my step pops was in my life like I didn't have my biological dad so like a lot of the Social Circles I was in and everything I gained my confidence

Qthrough like sports popularity through attracting the girls that other guys wanted and I was good at doing what I I didn't follow the crowds I did what I wanted I talked to whoever I want I did whatever I went there was nobody over me that I was trying to conform to or

Qfollow or looked up to or anything like that so I just learned how to be a leader on my own just I was a leader you know if guys peer pressuring me y you want to smoke N I don't want that [ __ ] get that [ __ ] out of my face or you know just playing sports when you're good in

Qsports other guys start to look up to you so that popularity sort of sort of mask from me being competent in other ways and I realize that the respect comes when other guys respect you women respect you too it's just the natural

Qit's the the way the social order Works they see that you command respect from other guys and they want to know who you are they want to know what you about and women have also told me that I can be

Qintimidating in a sense to where they I look like I don't play I look like I don't take [ __ ] and and they're right so they come correct I've been approached by women all the time like I get

Qapproached I've been cold approached by women women stood in my DMs all the time I've been on the shade room 50,000 likes as a bachelor eligible bachelor etc etc and they approach me with respect they

Qapproach me trying to understand what I'm about they approach me as if look I want to be a girl I'm going to put my best foot forward I'm going to show you why I should be the one that you commit to and that's always been my experience

Qeven starting in high school so so I've never I understand men who haven't experienced that but I try to teach men that that's how you need to approach dating the emasculation comes from Fear they already they already fear what the

Qwoman is going to do they fear that the woman is going to leave them they don't they haven't established themselves they don't they're not confident in themselves and what they've built and how they operate so they believe that that's why a lot of men Le with money too because they don't know how to

Dilaassert themselves emotionally sorry but that's already like if you start immediately being somebody else because you're afraid that you're not going to be with her you're already starting a relationship like

Dilayou're not yourself so it's like immediately it's going to already end soonly you're going to be burned out you're going to be depressed because you're keeping up this facade which it's not

Qyou and and and this is the thing my number one thing to men is be authentic be yourself be yourself and let her decide if she likes you for who you are

Qso many men trying to put on a a facade to impress women thinking oh she wants me to be this kind of guy so I'm going to try to be this kind of guy she already has the leverage because you're playing into her hands you're trying to

Qbe who you think she wants you to be no be yourself express to her what you don't like express to her what you expect express to her how you want her to be and if she says n that's not me then say okay the hell with you may I

Lindsayask one more question on this the the leading her out of bad behaviors if you will um what I gathered from one

Lindsaywas she never got the chance in her idea of the perfect world to explore because they had children so early

Lindsayin my mind a woman kind of figuring herself out a bit in her 20s does give room for where she's going to be all in

Lindsaylater on in life if a man's plucking from like the 19 20 21 22 those are very a woman is just going to either

Lindsayplay manipulate like she's kind of in her dark feminine cuz she doesn't know any better yet so I do have issues with men kind of Groom grooming um who are in

Lindsaytheir 30s hold on I'm coming back for this one okay go ahead what about grooming um this is a very California thing I've been seeing here you would get a lot of

Lindsay[ __ ] in Wisconsin if a 30 Somey old man was dating an early 20-year- old woman Wisconsin but anyways so okay um how do you define grooming let's be precise in

Lindsayour terms so well we have someone here who's 18 she's going to school she's forming her is about the world MH so let's say she meets a man in her in his

Lindsay30s and he goes I claim you I want you and she she likes him she goes okay I I agree to this

Lindsaymhm what I'm trying to speak of is let's say because she never got the chance to explore the world on her own really in a way was it what do you mean by explore the world what does mean maybe a lot of

Brian Atlaswomen want to travel so they don't want to travel just always a part what does traveling have to do with it that's exploring the world so is that a pre prerequisite to being a welldeveloped human

Brian Atlasbeing I get a show of hands of who all has had the dream of yeah but hold on hold on So You Realize for the vast majority of human history people didn't leave like their immediate 10 mile radius for like their entire lives would

Brian Atlasit be predatory for somebody to date somebody who hasn't traveled is that your what you're trying to say no no no no I'm talking about her forming her own idea is why do you need to travel to do that I'm just saying a lot of what when

LindsayI hear about dating profiles that's what women say they want what men say they want oh yeah you can want to travel there's nothing with wrong with wanting to travel why would that be any sort of

Brian Atlasnegative indicator on a man who wants to date her because of her lack thereof of any sort of traveling I

Brian Atlaspicture the meek quiet unopinionated woman oh so you're describing exactly what men want let me ask you a question so do you what what do you think is what

Brian Atlasdo you think is more predatory let's say a man who's dating a 30-year-old woman who's never left her hometown ever or a man who dates a 19-year-old who's been to like who's done a [ __ ] ton of

Brian Atlastraveling even at 19 which one do you think is more predatory I'm confused by the way I reject the premise that it's predatory at all but in your worldview which one's

Lindsaymore predatory a man can you rephrase I don't know how else to rephrase it it's super simple well how old is the man 35 okay so choosing the 30 versus the 19-year-old the one right out of high

Brian Atlasschool but the 30-year-old she grew up in a really small town and she's never traveled versus the 19-year-old she's some She's Some of girl who lives in Los Angeles she's been to Miami she's been

Brian Atlasto Vegas she used to be a stripper she's done all that [ __ ] which one's more predatory okay definitely I see your point I'm asking which one I still think it's the 19-year-old but she's traveled that

Lindsaywasn't my point okay I was saying a woman who's shaping her ideas of how the world works I just threw travel in because that's usually a desirable okay so what's here Define

Lindsaygrooming grooming yeah what's grooming a man or a woman it could be a woman with a I think the word simp yeah grooming is it could be an older woman

LindsayTri yeah I'll have to I'll have to share what I think truly a feminine woman does she understands her own nervous system her

Lindsayown emotions her own wants needs and can speak from those grooming gets messed up if a woman hasn't developed all that

Lindsaystuff if he's telling her this is how I think you feel this is what I consistently think you need outside of money how to lead her life and all those things a woman still needs to understand

Brian Atlasher own I don't know what okay so how about this a 30-year-old man daing a 20-year-old do you think he's grooming her I think she needs a little time to understand herself should she not be

Brian Atlasallowed to vote I kind of actually agree with that as well okay so when should the voting age be and is it just for women like do women do young women not have like

Brian Atlasmental faculties or I wish we could take a test to vote to be honest with you okay but when should when should women be allowed to vote then since we're taking away their agency I don't think it's an age thing I

Brian Atlasthink it's a that's what we're talking about we're talking about age but I no so you want to take away you want women to not be able to vote until what age that's not what I'm

Brian Atlassaying here it's a a competency thing so clear women can vot hold on just to be clear women can vote on infinitely complex political and social uh social things

Brian Atlasbut they can't decide who they want to date I'm just confused so either women have agency and they can vote on like all these really complex issues but they can't choose to date a guy I'm just confused do you want a

Lindsaywoman who's messed up pretty hormonally partying a lot doesn't really lost to vote for our country no I'm asking you the question

Lindsaythat's what I'm saying though I'm saying some of these young girls I would be fine with raising the voting age for everybody okay but some of these young girls that I have seen on this podcast are pretty lost in the sense of where

Lindsaythey're getting they're accepting money from much much older men mhm and these girls look like they go out a lot they're obviously okay no I have an

Lindsayissue with only fans I have a big issue with only fans so that's why I'm saying these are the people voting for our country so I'm not saying it's an age thing it's a going you escape

Brian AtlasDefine grooming we have toine our terms if we're going have a about this she's no longer a human being he's completely telling her who she is

Qbecause she has not had the the Liberty to learn about herself well well let me ask do relationships not help you

Qunderstand who you are true true so when you say he's telling her who she is like he's not telling her who she is he might be she might be learning who she is

Qbased on what he says to her and and the conflict that they go through I don't think there's there's an age limit on well I don't want to say not an age limit but if you're talking about like a

Q20-y old woman and a 30-y old man she's fully competent and cognizant of so far who she is how she behaves and if she likes a guy what she's going to do in

Qthat relationship like women know right from wrong they know what men don't like they know what's disrespectful to men or what men can perceive as disrespectful and if they don't if you're in a relationship if I'm in a relationship

Qwith a younger woman and I tell her you know hey partying and clubbing is not a good look or there's guys you you putting us at risk you putting a relationship at risk there's guys who could put things in your drink you could end up making some pretty you know

Lindsay[ __ ] up decisions you're leading from the healthy masculine yeah yeah yes that's what I'm saying I have a lot of sorry to interrupt the the images I have in my head are the these are real

Lindsayrelationships in this area I know 5-year-old with a 50-year-old man he is paying for everything okay he car apartment he already has kids he can

Lindsaycheat he's he's oh okay he's older dating a younger yes she's 20 25 26 I don't know how old she is now he's much older I know these people she a sugar baby pretty much that's happening quite

Lindsaya bit and you're okay with that no no no no that's what I'm speaking that's to me the wait he's grooming her he's grooming a maybe we misunderstand grooming then or not misunder but we have a different

Lindsayidea what Grom if it's consensual is it grooming wait what is the she has a lot of issues with it because he's like you can leave I'm going to cheat I'm going to do what I

Brian Atlaswant's 25 she's a sugar wait she's a sugar baby though no they're in a relationship yeah it's but it's closed on her and open on his correct yeah what's wrong with

Brian Atlasthat if they look she agreed to it true right you might personally disagree with that dynamic but if he was up front with her if he went if he

Freda (Nicole)brought it to her and here's the terms up front and she was like and she agreed to it I don't actually see what's wrong with it I do I want to say this I wasn't agreeing with you cuz I if they both agree to it then what what the hell is

Freda (Nicole)the problem like I think it's their thing they're going to do but what they want to do but like 25 is old enough like you know what you're doing like that's not at that point like I don't think it's grooming like I might think

Lindsaygrooming grooming the wrong way then I mean you give it a negative connotation you associate that's I thought grooming was like whatever you're speaking of the woman's

Lindsayexperience matters I'm on board with that I'm talking about the men who the woman's experience doesn't matter that to me is grooming why do we why wait

Brian Atlashold on so I have a question one one one one at a time so it's grooming if the guy wants to date a woman who doesn't

Brian Atlashave certain life experiences like she didn't she hasn't traveled that much she hasn't been [ __ ] by a bunch of dudes is that what you that's not at all what I'm saying no no what is

Lindsaygrooming she's not allowed to speak for what feels good for her or not that's what I'm thinking grooming was she's not allowed to

Brian Atlasspeak she's not allowed to voice her needs her wants how about this if a 30-year-old man is dating a 40-year-old woman but she's not allowed to do any of that is that grooming

Adrianaso I think so younger man can groom a younger man Grom controlling than any that's maybe that's what when I think of grooming like I mean I've I've Googled it I think of like yeah what's the Google definition well there's a couple

Brian Atlasdifference know that so there's like the historical term where it was for example um uh let's see here um the practice of or excuse me the practice of preparing or training

Brian Atlassomeone for particular purpose or activity so for example like the prince would be groomed to become king one day so he would be taught diplomacy and be taught these things so that when he's

Brian Atlasyoung he could be prepared to be the king one day and know how to navigate uh diplomacy politics Etc there's this next definition which is maybe closer to what you're saying the action of attempting

Brian Atlasto form a relationship with a child or young person with the intention of sexually assaulting them or inducing them to commit an illegal act such as

Adrianaselling drugs or joining a terrorist organization yeah no I don't think it's grooming yeah no maybe I'm thinking more controlling yeah I think it's just

Brian Atlascontrolling I I why are we using like therapy speak is it a therapy word grooming I feel like that's kind of like a bit of a buzz word it's called it's the spin it's like you're using the spin

Lindsayto paint something in such a way that it's going to be perceived negatively what I'm trying I guess okay I'll controlling what I was trying to get at is the idea that just because a man is

Lindsayproviding a lot of money okay Damian can you close the door a woman's G to like what we were just talking about with Ashley could feed into that get the

Lindsaymoney but she's not truly like he may be devotional to her him mhm she's not truly in it with that's what I'm trying to who's grooming who in this situation is is he I regret now saying the word

Lindsaygrooming okay we'll move off of grooming but you have a problem with uh it sounds like older men dating younger women because I think the younger woman hasn't quite developed I know the whole

Adrianamaturity thing is one thing but a young woman hasn't really developed emotional regulation um really I mean some men

Brian Atlasolder men don't develop that for a while and there's I mean I I think you can find these levels of development at any age though I mean I'm

Brian Atlas35 as somebody who's dated women older than me my age Young I've met really cool amazing like well put together younger women you know 20

Brian Atlaswhatever and then I've met women who are older than me women who are my age who are [ __ ] basket cases [ __ ] insane like literally the terrible people so this

Brian Atlasidea that oh you be like I think there's this tendency especially when you're young I think like when I was maybe in high school or in my early 20s you look up to people who are in their 30s 40s 50s you think these people have it all

Brian Atlastogether a lot of these people are still just as dumb as they were when they were younger M like this idea actually I think a lot of people get worse because if you got mental

Brian Atlasillness of some kind that [ __ ] typically doesn't get better it gets worse over time if you're dealing like a personality disorder uh person excuse me personality disorder BPD bipolar NPD whatever it is that [ __ ] gets worse as

Brian Atlasyou get older it does not get better unless you've had some pretty intensive uh psychiatric care or therapy even then I don't think that all most of that therapy stuff is [ __ ] what about the

Lindsaywhole idea that a young woman who hasn't been tainted by a lot of men not just body count I'm saying I think this is a a certain red pill says this but young

Lindsaywomen tend to come with less baggage is it do you think that's true or not oh cuz you you described one that I do agree with with the um wants to go to

Brian Atlasparties wants to get brought around the world by yeah but but how about this like can I ask you a question so you're you said you're 36 right yes uh do you have more baggage now than you did at 18

Lindsayof course life life provides baggage yeah the the more the longer you live the more experiences you've had good and bad that exactly but what is that in a man saying I don't want a woman cuz she does to me she doesn't have B what's

Brian Atlaswrong what would be wrong with that if that's a man standard I want a woman with as little baggage as possible what is actually wrong with wanting somebody who doesn't have baggage or who has less

Lindsayof it and also wait let's let's if [ __ ] gets hard do you think you're truly capable of leading her

Brian Atlasthrough the I I think that there's the opposite I think the more wounds you've inflicted honestly I think it in some in

Brian Atlassome situations not all sometimes you can get thicker skin sometimes you can develop more of a resolve I actually think the more wounds you have I think it makes you more susceptible to an a subsequent

Brian Atlaswound so like if you've been punched in the face uh this happens with MMA fighters if they start getting a bunch of scar tissue they become much more likely to

Brian Atlasbleed from that location had there not been any Scar Tissue at all and so you see this often with Fighters their Scar Tissue just opens up super easily they just whole face super bloodied up

Brian Atlasum I don't know if that's a perfect onetoone comparison but like this idea that oh as a woman I've been through so much [ __ ] so much trauma so much

Brian Atlasbaggage I don't think a lot of people heal like I think you have trust issues now you're going to be moving in a certain type of way are you going to be

Brian Atlasable to love me as deeply are you kind of on guard are you reserved are you holding something back I think most people that First Love probably going to not always but like you're a little bit

Qmore on guard after you've dealt with a bunch of different situations MH yeah so that's what I was saying when you say you want a woman you think women should

Qbe able to explore their own ideas develop emotionally that also endures uh negativity that comes with that so it's a catch22 in a sense because now you

Qhave this woman if this woman has experienced life she's traveled she's developed her own identity she's got some scars from doing that and that's less attractive to a

Qman that's what that's essentially what he's saying it it some men might appreciate it they they might can they might can endure it but if a guy prefers a younger woman it's typically because

Qthe impression her impressionability is to his Advantage it means that she hasn't endured some of the things that would make her uh uh her relationship

Lindsayhabits more pernicious you get what I'm saying I do my so the the issue that's coming up in me with this is women are kind of raised especially

Lindsayif the father was in their life to want to go after and live a full life so now you're telling women no you

Brian Atlasshould have only your soul Focus be about getting a man that's not what we're saying we're having a discussion about age Gap relationships you have objections to age Gap relationships you think it's but if she

Lindsaydoesn't do that in her 20s then she has a lot of baggage and then men don't want her that's what I'm hearing you say did not say that whatsoever but um let me ask you a question when you were younger

Lindsaydid you date older men no you've never had an age Gap relationship no my no I was raised with a mother who is 7 years older than her

Brian Atlasfather and they're still together okay so I had a very different yeah so you've always dated guys who are like one or two years like around you pretty much or yeah um I have dated younger um okay

Brian Atlasyeah but usually close and age I appreciate the commonality a lot of well I want to get a uh a question for the whole panel on the age Gap relationship things who here is like fine with age

Brian AtlasGap relationships or who here thinks it's predatory grooming predatory or grooming there should let put an or in there I'm on

Aaliyahboth I'm on you got to speak into the life I'm on both and what does that mean meaning like I myself have had age gaps and I think women

Aaliyahmature uh sooner than men but I also think like who do men like who do women have baggage from like a lot of times

Aaliyahit's men doing certain things or toxic behavior and they just stick through it out of love mhm and then they don't take accountability for what they've done to that woman

Aaliyahand then they move on to someone who's more likely to be naive or more likely to just take it because she's still kind of coming out of that Disney fairy tale

Aaliyahhaven't like had my heart broken or had a lot of trauma so I'm more hopeful or more willing and then she'll put up with his behavior and then the cycle repeats

Aaliyahwhere she then gets older and has baggage and then they go for someone that's younger and I think I don't have like a problem with age Gap like I have

Aaliyahfriends that have age Gap and like I've had it myself as well um but I do think that a man's inability to stay by a woman like long term and not just go for

Brian Atlassomeone younger and than someone younger is men's men's inability didn't you you you ended it with your 10year relationship didn't you yes oh so wouldn't that indicate your inability to

Brian Atlasstay with somebody long term he was younger than me so you were in a relationship with him well I'm just talking about in general yeah but like women overwhelmingly end relationships

Brian Atlasand initiate divorces so this idea that men are like throwing you guys out I don't really think that's the case I think you guys overwhelmingly end relationships yeah I mean we can go

Brian Atlasaround the table but I'd be pretty confident to say most of you guys probably say oh I ended it yes okay but so what how would that be evidence then of how would that be

Brian Atlasevidence of men just like discarding women when it's women who like you guys like to say just like a woman leaves doesn't mean that like he hasn't done damage to oh sure I agree like the the

Brian Atlasthe man could be physically violent and you leave him that's totally justified but but uh I think those instances tend to be I mean some women have like some sort of attraction to

Brian Atlaslike abusive toxic men uh I don't know how much of the responsibility on that is on women for like intentionally picking like going after like toxic jerks who are abusive uh I don't think you should be abusive to begin with but like if you're attracted to that kind of

Brian Atlasguy don't be surprised when you actually end up getting abused but this idea like this idea that men are commitment phobic it's interesting to me so I don't really

Brian Atlasthink men are scared of commitment I think and perhaps even if they are there's some degree of justification for their fear of commitment because when

Brian Atlasyou guys you get commitment as women you overwhelmingly end the commitment so who's actually scared of commitment 80% of divorces initiated by women if you were just talking about like

Brian Atlasrelationships and breakups I've had a lot of women on the show overwhelmingly they say oh I broke up with like most of my boyfriends May sure it's cuz it's the young women that's what I was just saying what do you mean what hold on

Lindsaywhat is that because a a woman if she's dating someone she's not fully knowing what she's wanting in life she doesn't have her own inner compass and she has a man coming and things

Lindsaydon't feel good for her he's it sucks and I feel for men in this I I genuinely feel for men in this but he's leading them into a vision of you're my forever

Lindsaywhere she's waffling cuz she's like oh but I I'm looking at other men or I want to do this thing or I want to explore do that's that's what I was literally talking about those women did that because they all married in their early

Brian Atlas20s he was I don't know how much older he was I mean she belongs to the if she's thinking that and she's in a relationship with a good dude back to the Streets back to the streets she goes but um I mean I guess we can address

Adrianathat really quick but I do want to go around the table like everybody's are you cool with age Gap relationships Daisy okay she y it doesn't matter to me I'm not oh it doesn't matter to me I think it would be hypocritical for me to

Freda (Nicole)speak on it because I've dated guys a lot younger than me a lot older than me so it doesn't matter your thoughts yeah no I'm fine with it I have dated someone younger than me and someone older than

Freda (Nicole)me and I definitely prefer the older men okay what do you think um yeah I agree I feel like older men are like more mature

Freda (Nicole)um I'd say like from now on I'd only date a guy that's like at least two years older than me okay what about you same as you said before it's not about

Dilathe age it's about the experience it's about the experience uh the people had in their past it's not really about the

Dilaage so to me it's fine I had mainly older um partners and just my uh actual relationship is younger than me but this

Dilais my first and I just met him and we were in the same we had the same um opinions so we just clicked but I don't

Huntersee the age as like I agree with that I mean okay uh Hunter what about you yes I am okay with age Gap

Brian Atlasrelationships but how about this cuz I I want to go on the using like the numbers you provided a 35-year-old man dating a 20-year-old are there objections there

Adrianafrom anyone on the panel where there weren't previously weren't any objections as long as they met when yes they were over she was 20 he was 35 that's when they started dating I think

Aaliyahit's totally fine no nothing I've dated old older I mean I had that exact same age gap before but I wouldn't necessarily want

Lindsaythat for like my child oh okay look I and I think and there are very smart women I don't I don't mean to discredit I think it's okay if he dates a dumb

Brian Atlaswoman too you can date a dumb chick could be hold out that's going to hold out for the long term here's the thing though I look I think an intelligent woman is a benefit for a couple reasons

Brian Atlasone like you can actually hopefully it's it's difficult so like if if you're arguing with somebody who just doesn't understand logic that's [ __ ]

Brian Atlasbrutal because you you you literally can't communicate so like an intelligent woman like if you're like no you're [ __ ] wrong you don't have to say the f word but if if you're like oh here's why you're wrong and she's like oh I can logically understand that but if you're

Brian Atlasjust arguing with somebody who's just stupid and doesn't understand logic and this can be both men and women by the way you could be maybe you guys have been arguing with a guy and you're like he's clearly wrong but he just doesn't

Brian Atlas[ __ ] recognize it like both men and women can do this [ __ ] for sure but like so an intelligent woman you can actually like she'll actually be able to seed if she's wrong and a stupid woman could can

Brian Atlastoo but they can also double down on like the most ridiculous logic so but also when it comes to stupid women you know like there's kind of nice about something who somebody who's simple cuz

Brian Atlasif you're intelligent that's where all like that I think if you're intelligent this is crazy Paris well she wasn't actually stupid like somebody who's just kind of simple like if if you you know the really smart people like they they

Brian Atlasall suffer from like anxiety and depression and all this [ __ ] cuz they're [ __ ] thinking about like godamn in like a billion years the [ __ ] universe is going to whatever you know they're thinking about existential [ __ ] and they're they're too they're too

Brian Atlassmart for their own good ignorance is bliss yeah so there's something nice about somebody who's just as long as you're Pleasant and I don't know there's something a little nice about somebody

Brian Atlaswho's simple you know they don't have to be a [ __ ] rocket scientist I don't want somebody who's going to be a problem though cuz you can have a low IQ or you can be stupid and [ __ ] [ __ ] up in

Brian Atlascertain ways but if you're just kind of simp I don't need no [ __ ] Mena like Mena that's the society for like highq

Unknown (minor)individuals um rocket scientist lady I don't know I'll date a smart woman but like what's wrong with a stupid woman stupid and agreeable exactly the agreeable thing so may I ask how do men

Lindsayfigure that out like how do you figure out if a woman is she's going to be unstable cuz you don't really know that until conflict arises right there's songs no there's a lot of songs I would

Freda (Nicole)love to hear what the Yeah well I actually I have a question for you cuz you said earlier you were like it's very hard to become my

Qgirlfriend so how like what did your girlfriend do that you were like okay yeah like that's the one like she was she she was all in on a level that

Qbasically if I could write down how I want my woman to behave she pretty much checked every box she she there was no there was no Pride there was no ego

Qthere was no insecurity she tell me she missed me she had no insecurity wow but do you actually attracted to her in the first place mhm I've known her for 2 years how long did you learn this I

Qapproached her oh you knew her for two years before you pursued I I I approached her and from the and um from the way that I approached her I could tell the type of girl that she was by the way that she responded to me and then when we finally hung out and

Qeverything and she actually she said from the moment that I I I kind of approached her and then left it alone like planted the seed and wanted to see if I got her interest so I kind of basically just you know told her how

Qattractive she was might have flirted a little bit sexually and then left kind of left it like that to Fester to see if she would wonder about who I am and she

Qdid so then it became I was her Crush she said I became her Crush at that point so she would say hey I want to see you I miss you she would say hey I'm

Qabout to do this or when I would post on my story I'm about to go here she' be like I want to go let's go together like she would put herself out there for me and then when we started dating she would do things like uh get me little

Qgifts she would buy me little things like here and there she' be like oh don't I get this for you or whatever like we went to Bush Gardens and we was getting some drinks she was like I get the drinks things like that what's your sign my sign I don't believe in

Qastrology me but I'm I'm I'm a sag I'm a Sagittarius what's her sign um she is a

Qwhatever she's a Capricorn actually cuz her birthday is Christmas that makes sense yeah so she's a Capricorn but hm

Qwhat made you wait 2 years what made me wait 2 years yeah um I was still kind of dating around um like I said because for

Qme like it's hard for a woman to behave in a way that makes me feel like oh I can commit to this woman and for me you have to speak up closed mouths don't get fed so if we involved with one another and you trying to play it safe or you

Qdon't let me know that you're interested in me like she told me she was like I don't want you seeing any other women I want you all to myself she overtly stated that to me after the two years yes because she because she already knew

Qshe she called them respectable women she said I knew you had respectable women that's what she called she don't want to call them hoes were you guys just friends or were you dating we we we was cool like we we would spend time together you know we would do things we

Qwere attracted to each other but she didn't press the issue she kind of just sat back and played her position and just focused on her life she was not attached yeah she wasn't attached in that regard she would say that she hated that I didn't text her or I didn't fight

Qher out places but that's on my behalf cuz I'm when I'm single I'm single I'm just doing me um and then you know we hung out a little bit more and it finally got to the point where she finally was like I want you all to myself like I don't want you seeing

Qother women CU you're not scared was I scared yeah yeah a little bit yeah a little bit cuz I'm like um I don't want to give up what I'm

Brian Atlasdoing but she made it worth it she made it worth it so I so y she she made it worth it we have a super chat here from pelagic he says all I hear is blame shifting lacking accountability and deflection when I hear them say grooming

Brian Atlascould to see you in the chap pic thank you for the super chat um I guess we can wrap up on the AG Gap thing really quick I mean do you want to respond to that or I should not have I understand what you're saying with grooming and I take

Lindsayit back in that way I was more on board with grooming meaning controlling um that the woman's experience doesn't matter but what I'm hearing you say as grooming is here's my vision here's how I want our life to

Brian Atlaslook that I'm on board with not what you have to say doesn't matter you're too I was more in that yeah yeah yeah I mean but it sounds like you still have a bit of

Lindsayquarrel with uh the age Gap the age Gap stuff a little bit CU I just and this is my own bias when I was that age I was in the longest term relationship at at that

Lindsayage and we and granted he was close to my age but I was not good at handling conflict I was not good and yes the man could lead a woman out of that but I

Lindsayjust look back at that time and I I had to learn a lot of what it was like to not be in the right relationship for me and I did learn a I've learned a lot in my years okay and that's but that was a

Brian Atlassame age relationship were a similar age yeah it was out of college yeah but I guess it sounds like the men that you're interested in I mean correct me if I'm wrong the men you're interested in now

Lindsayyou find that a lot of them want to date younger women is that your OB it seems well it's um you said it wouldn't fly in Wisconsin but it wouldn't actually um

Brian Atlasbut yeah here the age Gap is pretty prevalent older men younger women uh perhaps I mean the thing is I mean a lot of people when I have the age Gap

Brian Atlasdiscussion like I I'm not like saying this is how it should be when I'm having this conversation I'm saying if this is how it is I don't really see anything

Brian Atlaswrong with that I think probably the vast majority of women uh young women probably want to date a guy around their age you know like if you're 19 probably want to date like a 20-year-old that's true or 19y old like Mo that's most

Brian Atlaswomen and I'm not saying like oh you have to go and date a 30-year-old man but if she wants to date the 30-year-old man and he wants to date her true and don't see I don't see anything wrong

Lindsaywith it anything wrong may I share I was under the impression and I will own this and I will apologize to you I thought it was a apology Neary well I thought it was a um pursue younger women because

Brian Atlasthey look better they're more fertile that's probably not you but that's the path that I was thinking oh I'm I'm happy to take that position actually I'll take the position so I mean first

Brian Atlasoff again I'll reiterate that I think the majority of young women probably want to date guys around their age like you know if you're in college you probably want to date a college guy if you're 19 you want to date a guy who's like 19 20 21 in that age range um

Brian Atlasthat's probably the case for the majority of women I think a higher proportion though of men who are a bit older uh in terms of what they find attractive in the partner there's a now there's obviously the question of can they get that woman that's another

Brian Atlasconversation but in terms of what I think men find most attractive yeah most men probably find women between the ages of 20 to 25 the most attractive for a variety of reasons one of those would be fertility but I think it just comes down

Brian Atlasto like probably phys physical attractiveness but the biggest thing I think is it actually probably comes down to uh there's a couple things here oops sorry comes down to like

Brian Atlasprobably yeah there just like less less baggage that's a big thing men don't want like the biggest thing I think a lot of men look for like especially a guy who has Choice like if you have Choice like a guy who doesn't have

Brian Atlaschoice he's going to put up with a bunch of [ __ ] for [ __ ] yep if you need ear muffs when I use that word but a lot of men a lot of men if they don't have

Brian Atlaschoice will deal with a crazy chick for [ __ ] okay but a guy who has options if you

Brian Atlasintroduce drama and conflict and you disrupt his peace especially if he's a dude on his mission goodbye like you are done can older woman be that though too

Lindsaysure yeah you can be you can be peace at any age but like he's also going to be looking towards Young younger women too and's the mindset that the younger woman

Brian Atlasautomatically means less not necessarily look there's there's you could find a 30-year-old who's fantastic and deal with a 20-year-old who's a nut job who's who's drama I do think there is one component though that I've actually

Brian Atlasnever I've actually never argued and it's this and I I think it actually just makes sense so it's it comes down to who's a catch and this is just a reality

Brian Atlasright uh or no what's the specific terminology on this oh keeper she's a keeper okay right or he's a keeper there are going to be more 20y

Brian Atlas20-year-old Keepers than there are 30-year-old Keepers agreed because that's an additional 10year time that she could have been kept yeah or he

Brian Atlascould have been kept whatever goes both ways um so the reality is if you're a 30-year-old guy you got to think the 30-year-old

Brian Atlaswomen why didn't they get kept not to say that you can't find a 30-year-old woman who's a great woman but like the proportion of the dating pool the percentage of the dating pool

Brian Atlasof women who are like this is a keeper this is I want to marry her want to have kids with her that's probably higher there's more of them that exist at 20 AG great because you know at 20 maybe

Brian Atlasyou've had one boyfriend and you're single you didn't it didn't work out with one other dude but as you get older you've had

Brian Atlasmore opportunities to have been kept mhm so the the pool of optimal Optimum Partners start

Lindsayshrinking as you get older and I think this applies to both men and women but I think there's some differences but that's just the dating game but as two people in our mid-30s we also are seeing

Lindsaya lot of people coming out of relationships getting divorces so that's where I hear lack of a better phrase for older women it's kind of we should just go [ __ ]

Brian Atlasourselves um I don't know if that's I mean you should if you want to get married you can still date but you got to lower your

Lindsaystandards is that I'm willing to hear this I'm I'm genuinely curious about this because it's I do believe in true love and it's it's heartbreaking as a woman when I would love what we all want the

Lindsayfairy tale of a man coming in and kind of being the white not save me from anything but here I am ready to lead you unfortunately there are men though that

Lindsayalso don't lead that path very well and it's not it doesn't have to always be super physically abusive it could just be like we're not in a relationship place

Lindsayfor one one another mhm that's happens more than we're talking about people actually staying together so the baggage problem is if we were living in a

Lindsayperfect world yeah we all would be kept in our 20s we're not so I'm trying to speak for what should these women in their round my age do so that men do see

Lindsaythem as hey that's actually a viable option vers I just want to pursue the young women I mean you can level up as much as you can

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