Fake Virgin RAGE QUITS?! Cat Fight?! Body Count OVER 9000?! E-GIRLS! DEGENS! | Dating Talk #145

Date: 2024-03-20

Duration: 7h 45m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBri (DT154-Panama)>

MMolly Little >

LLauren (Brothel)>

MMaddie (DT155-staff)>

AAdrien (DT145)>

MMatthew (DT145)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_02Adrien(guest)

SPEAKER_03Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lauren(guest)

SPEAKER_06TTS / Chat Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Bri(guest)

SPEAKER_13Molly Little(guest)

SPEAKER_14Madison(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces panel: Bri, Molly Little, Lauren, Demi Hawks, Cindy Zang, Madison, Adrien, Matthew. Cindy Zang arrives ~1 hour late with alleged fresh cross neck tattoo — panel debates whether it is real or fake throughout the intro.

“"without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves"”

Key MomentCindy Zang's cross neck tattoo controversy: arrived 1hr late claiming she just got tattooed. Panel skeptical (would be red, Cindy says cannot touch it). Brian has a makeup wipe. Cindy maintains it is real throughout. At end of show Brian offers the wipe again. This is a recurring bit through the entire episode.

“"my name is Cindy Zang... I got tatted this morning"”

Key MomentBri's virgin claim debated. Brian presents alleged OnlyFans account evidence (briati username). Bri admits oral sex video exists but denies penetrative intercourse. Claims intercourse videos are not her. Heart tattoo on buttock cited as identifying mark. Brian cannot show evidence on YouTube.

“"I am a virgin that's not what I'm asking you have you had sex"”

ControversyAdrien (SPEAKER_02) calls Cindy Zang repulsive, citing her lateness and performative behavior. Escalates as Bri reveals prior Twitter beef over a mutual streamer (linked to Aiden Ross's network). Cindy disputes having tweeted a fight threat; says a fan did it. Brian suggests a boxing match. Tension continues throughout the show.

“"I would avoid Cindy at all cost... I'm repulsed by the personality"”

QuoteBrian explains California community property laws in context of Ariana Grande divorce: without prenup Dalton Gomez could have claimed half of her earnings during 3-year marriage. Brian estimates he should have received alimony for ~1.5 years (half duration).

“"in California there's community property so anything that you make during the marriage that's 5050"”

Key MomentLauren (SPEAKER_05) reveals approximate body count: ~1,100 total; ~100+ just sex before escorting; "200 before formal sex work." Had 3-4 sexual partners per day at her peak when young.

“"I'll be like 1,50 or maybe 1,100 how how much in how many in 2024"”

QuoteMolly Little restates body count at end of show for new viewers: "yeah my name is Molly little and my body count is over 100."

“"yeah my name is Molly little and my body count is over 100"”

QuoteDemi Hawks restates body count: "I'm Demi Hawks and it's probably around 200."

“"I'm Demi Hawks and it's probably around 200"”

QuoteCindy Zang gives body count range when pressed: "between zero and 30."

“"my name is Cindy Zing um... it's between zero and 30"”

ControversyBri (SPEAKER_11) rage-quits when Brian asks chat if she should be removed. Bri says "I'm not going to give him the satisfaction" and walks out. Molly comments: "you can't fire me I quit." Brian later says she came on the show to be dishonest. This is the "Fake Virgin RAGE QUITS" title reference.

“"I'm not going to give him the satisfaction"”

OtherEnd of show. Brian does outro; raids Frost Adamus and Aladar on Twitch (both playing World of Warcraft). Matthew plugs watchgang.com. Brian thanks panel (exception: "except for Cindy"). Cindy apologizes for being late at very end: "I'm sorry for being late Brian." 07s in the chat. Signed off ~7:45.

“"07s in the chat really appreciate the panel once again good night see you next time"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Eight guests introduce themselves: Bri (22, Miami/Panama, Finance student FSU, manifesting, OnlyFans Bible study, looking for 3 husbands), Molly Little (21, LA, porn actress, in relationship), Lauren (31, Moonlight Bunny Ranch courtesan + Tantra, single), Demi Hawks (24, LA, porn actress, in relationship), Cindy Zang (23, LA, OnlyFans/streamer, single; arrived 1hr late with cross neck tattoo), Madison (19, San Diego/SB, Whatever staff/SBCC student), Adrien (31, Salt Lake City, business owner, conservative), Matthew (38, LA, CEO watchgang.com). Cindy's tattoo authenticity debated at length.

Bri's 3-husband relationship model

Bri (SPEAKER_11) explains she is looking for 3 simultaneous husbands: 1) love/emotional support, 2) financial support, 3) sexual. Each husband handles their domain; she is not asking one person for everything. Has a Google form with questions including height, income, penis size. Panel debates whether she would find high-quality men willing to share her. Matthew (SPEAKER_10): men she would respect would not share her. Brian: this plan is unrealistic; the men she respects have options.

Bri's virgin claim controversy

Brian challenges Bri's claim to be a virgin. Bri states she is a virgin; Brian says he has received dozens of DMs with photos/videos matching her OnlyFans accounts (briati, Adeline Bri usernames). Bri admits to a video of oral sex but denies any penetrative intercourse videos. Claims videos showing intercourse are not her; others suggest tattoo matching (heart tattoo on buttock). Brian declines to pull up evidence on YouTube. Bri refuses to elaborate further.

Cindy Zang and Adrien conflict (cat fight)

Adrien (SPEAKER_02) calls Cindy Zang (SPEAKER_03) repulsive from early in the show, citing her lateness and what she perceives as a performative act. Escalates to Bri (SPEAKER_11) revealing prior Twitter beef with Cindy: Cindy allegedly threatened to "pull up" on Bri months earlier over a mutual streamer (connected to Aiden Ross's circle). Both claim the other started the beef. Cindy denies tweeting the threat (says a fan did it). Brian mediates; suggests a boxing match to settle it. Bri and Cindy nominally move on but tension continues.

Ariana Grande divorce and prenups

Panel reacts to Ariana Grande / Dalton Gomez divorce: $1.25M payment, half home proceeds, $25K attorney fees. Prenup was in place. Discussion of whether he got a fair deal. Brian: without prenup he could have claimed half of all community property earned during marriage (~$50M+). Molly and Adrien say they would sign a prenup. Adrien/Madison: would not get married without prenup. Lauren: would consider stopping sex work if partner wealthy enough for her to have children at home. Matthew: prenups protect prior assets; fair risk management tool.

Pornography: value, art, and impact

Bri (SPEAKER_11) says porn is not good; she did it and was depressed. Molly (SPEAKER_13) defends porn as art form — Shakespeare analogy: actors play villains so audience can experience emotions without doing the act. Adrien (SPEAKER_02) asks where the line is between art and degradation. Matthew (SPEAKER_10) critiques Bri for having built her platform on porn and now condemning it ("pulling up the ladder"). Lauren (SPEAKER_05): sex work was survival-driven early; she now enjoys it. Discussion of OnlyFans vs Playboy — girlfriend experience adds financial exploitation layer.

Men's biological monogamy and cheating

Bri (SPEAKER_11) argues men are biologically programmed to spread their seed and cannot be expected to be fully monogamous. Brian (SPEAKER_09) counters: humans have intellect, agency, and self-control; not beholden to base animal instincts. Bri: men cheat out of physical desire, not emotion; women cheat out of emotion. Bri herself wants 3 simultaneous husbands, undermining her monogamy argument. Matthew (SPEAKER_10): women are more pair-bond oriented by nature than men.

Patriarchy and wage gap debate

Debate on whether patriarchy exists and what female privilege looks like. Panel (esp. Molly SPEAKER_13) argues patriarchy is real via wage gap. Brian (SPEAKER_09) lists female privileges: affirmative action, no military conscription, more favorable treatment by police and courts, longer sentences for men for same crimes, ability to monetize sexuality. Matthew (SPEAKER_10): wage gap controlled for hours/jobs/career breaks disappears. Adrien (SPEAKER_02): women need more accountability; non-traditional women want traditional men (provider, leader, emotionally intelligent). Molly: pressed by Brian on how she is specifically oppressed; cannot give example on the spot.

Body count round

Brian asks panel for body counts. Results: Madison: 8. Molly Little: 100-200 (clarified: ~5 off-camera/civilian partners; rest on-camera). Demi Hawks: at least 150, probably ~200 (20-30 off-camera). Lauren: ~1,100 total; ~100+ before sex work; 200+ before formal escorting. Cindy Zang: declined; between 0 and 100 (narrowed to "between 0 and 30" when pressed; "I don't feel comfortable disclosing"). Bri: admitted oral sex; disputed intercourse; context of virgin claim controversy. Brian: "is it insecure for men to care about body count" discussion follows.

Is it insecure to care about body count?

Brian asks: is it insecure for a man to care about body count? Cindy: he should not ask; not a question of insecurity. Bri: biologically makes sense; not insecurity. Lauren: not insecure; just a preference difference — she would say "thank you for honoring yourself." Molly: not insecure; just not for him; she is open about having lost count. Adrien: men who care have valid reasons. Matthew: goes around the table; distinguishes between caring and disqualifying.

Bri rage-quits the show

Near the end of the show (~7:27), Brian puts it to the chat whether to kick Bri off. Chat responds affirmatively (begging Brian to kick her). Bri (SPEAKER_11) decides to leave preemptively: "I'm not going to give him the satisfaction." Molly (SPEAKER_13) comments: "you can't fire me I quit." Brian reads super chat: "she just came here to be dishonest." Bri leaves. Show wraps ~15 minutes later without her.

Transcript

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Molly Littleand safer when someone shows up to the first or second date showing their flaws rather than acting super perfect because I would start to wonder what's what's going to switch what's what's up with

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)you what's wrong right and that's all that's the whole part of dating like do you feel like um if you met the right person and you guys dated and you really like her you can really see her being

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)your wife having your kids like being your like she's literally your soulmate like you know I mean I've had enough long-term relationships that I I'm like I've gone through like lots of heartbreak and you're like this was my person and then you just meet a new one

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)of your person and then that's your person it just keeps going so it's happened enough times where like you realized like hey there's uh there's always another person out there that you could fall in love with and that you could develop different feelings for

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)based on different personality traits and all that stuff um so and why is that like why do you feel like it's been hard for you to find someone it's not hard I could find do you just prefer right now

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)you don't want to be married no I have I have two kids I was married uh like I did that I didn't know that about you yeah I did that part of my life so I'm good and like afterwards I just decided

LaurenI'm going to just chill for a bit you know right yeah okay yeah that's I think going back to what you said like how you kind of go for the guys that are more like kind of like I I like I like a guy that outd draws me in a sense where

Laurensometimes I think that like oh I I I can handle and all of a sudden I see a guy go just do something I'm like oh he can that's hot what you're saying is exactly what Brian and I talked about on

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)Sunday you can do anything to a woman except bore her and that's completely except bore her what does that mean bore being boring you can do anything to a woman except bore her and maybe this guy

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)like for you you're like all these check boxes are great but you weren't excited because there was nothing to fix or maybe it just wasn't you know like there's none of that edge that you want and like and guys that are listening

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)like I'm not saying to artificially manufacture like toxic traits but don't be boring keep things exciting and like especially when you're first dating yeah and not like hey set like

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)false precedents for future stuff but like you know women are going to leave when you just have the same routine all the time even after things are comfortable when it's so safe and

TTS / Chat Readerroutine it's boring and that's why 70 80% of relationships end from the woman Michael donated $100 Lauren so given what you said on letting him secure paternity postm marriage

TTS / Chat Readerwhile supporting you would you date someone younger than you 28 who makes 300 k/ Year good shape and great family are you shooting your shot Michael 28

UnknownI've dated I've dated younger guys before and yeah I mean if he was good to me and and he yeah I don't see why not okay do you have a specific 28-year-old in mind Michael

Brian AtlasI mean so your advice I think it'll be effective for men albe it a bit mocky of vellan in in that you're kind of advising men

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)to well I don't know if you're explicitly saying okay we'll ramp up the toxicity but I I think that there's a version of what she little male confidence ego insulting and

Laureneverything there's a version of that where you give them the same feelings without being a piece of yeah it's like imagine if we were at like a a game center and I threw that and then a guy was like that was cute but watch this and he he Nails every well you

Brian Atlasdon't know what you want let's just be honest that's wait or if I can come in with I think the most base take uhuh how about women address their clearly

Brian Atlasdysfunctional attraction to toxicity how about you guys address uh I think it's dysfunctional mhm and I think you need to like you women have agency you can like look at something and realize this

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)isn't good for me take some accountability have agency don't go after those men MH can we discuss this for a sec sure okay what do you think if you said the same exact thing but about

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)like uh gay man about wanting to be straight like what if they literally can't help it this is something what I mean what I mean is let's say you like don't be attracted to let's say you have a gay man and uh he's like I just want to you know I know that I don't want to

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)do this I want to be with women but I just can't help it like I believe that maybe inherently women cannot help this attraction level they can't manufacture themselves to be not attracted to that

Brian Atlaswell okay the first I would say is they while they might not be able to not like stop feeling attracted you can like hold

Brian AtlasOno step back they have choice they have they have agency okay yes he's really hot but he's also going to be abusive maybe I shouldn't date this guy I

Brian Atlashave self respect to not date like guys abusing you can still find them attractive although I still think it's dysfunctional but when it comes to the

Unknownchoice that you have I would say don't date don't choose to date these men I'm I'm choosing not to date right now I wonder if it triggers oh sorry I didn't interrupt you well I'm almost I'm I mean

Brian Atlasnot to like confine you to fate but I suspect probably the next guy you date you're he's probably not going to be the standup guy he's probably going to be

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)toxic because that's what you like also your career choice does sort of eliminate a lot of men that might not be and it probably it also attracts toxic

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)eyeses yeah I'm saying out of dating for what like for all those reasons like I would disagree with that cuz like I know girls that don't do or like what our job have normal like go to school and stuff

Brian Atlasand they still attract toxic men well of course but men the men who are going to be okay with you other men on camera are probably

Brian Atlasprobably not that well adjusted and whether that reveals itself immediately or 3 months or 6 months into the relationship you'll find out eventually personally for me with my

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)content it's nothing like it's nothing harmful it when the guy that I actually know like what I do on my page and how the market Works um

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)and how I run my business and how I have a team and like just like helping meh I don't think there's anything wrong with my job um personally so I will

Brian Atlasattract I know I will attract guys that will respect me and you know I don't think it's like the job it's definitely the job it's definitely the job sorry Cindy Checkmate you lose it's just that

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)it's such a I don't think so you're not going to you're not going to get a guy that wants to share like where you know the girl a guy that wants to a guy that's willing to share you is okay but there's okay I mean the

Brian Atlasproblems you're dealing with are exactly why no yeah I mean there there are problems but honestly there's possibility Cindy there's possibility and then there's probability could you end up in a

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)healthy good relationship sure it's less probable because of the work that you do it's possible but it's less probable I I think they are a

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)confident man that like knows themselves and like is supportive do you sleep with other guy like do you sleep with guys for your only fans not not the moment no you used to though okay I mean I agree that there's a line to be drawn but if

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)you're if you're like sleeping with other guys I don't I think it's kind of a cop out for you to say that like he's got to be ultra confident to be cool with that I I not like be confident like

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)confident be as confident confident with yourself like like be physically like you know you know in tune with that mentally everything you know like be close with

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)your friends and family you know like I think um what there is a pool of guy out there just like how there's a pool you know of talk men whatever but I want to

Brian Atlasattract yeah you'll still look even if you do or porn you'll still you can still find a guy we're not going to we're not saying it's impossible it just is going to close the door for a lot of

Brian Atlasmen and this idea that the guy has to be confident in order to date you it's not clear if it's confident or if it's well

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)I don't want to insecure guy like you know I think it's hot when insec reason wait wait hold on I've got it figured out it's not that men have to be

Brian Atlasconfident to date you it's that they have to make concessions to date you can you elaborate what do you mean concessions I would argue if you gave a guy two options so you and and then

Brian Atlasanother you one who does only fans and another who doesn't do only fans I don't think there's any Universe where the where guys will ever pick them preferring you

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)doing only fans like if they had the option of you not having the only fans which one do you think they'd prefer well if they're they're okay with it there are guys that are okay with

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)generally speaking that's not the question like you think the average guy would prefer the average guy probably not I'm not going for I guess is having an

Brian Atlasonly fans ever again I'm you may very well find find men I'm not making that argument is having an only fans ever a positive thing from the guy's

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)perspective in terms of wanting to date you some men are coolers some men um you don't share your resources on what kind

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)of Lifestyle like what their job is and stuff like that and like if he knows like what only fans really is in the business behind it um then yeah I think

Brian Atlashe would be accepting of it that's not I'm not asking if you would be accepting would it be in is it ever a positive to have an only fans I think so

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)it could be a neutral I think so it's either neutral if you if you are a content creator influencer why are you not like monetizing the um your brand

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)how does that benefit him because you're you're that's your business being a social media presence don't you want to

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)Capital last time you dat you dated a guy when's the last guy um last year okay you said you've never been in a

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)serious relationship though it was short it was a long you pay for First Dates do I pay for First Dates no did you pay for second dates have you ever paid for a date um I think I've gone half and half

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)half half and half just you know dating as friends andu have you ever like provided for a guy

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)um I have tried to like you know pay for things because I'm just a sugar baby sometimes I'm just generous and like

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)don't mind Sugar Mama or what is it sugar mama okay what tell tell us okay what what did you spend on the guy how much did you spend on the guy um I think it was just food I don't

Brian Atlasthink like I've ever really how much did you so you would pay for him for the food or you'd split it yeah for the food like I've like would you ever pay for

Brian Atlasthe whole thing I've bought like a $300 dinner like it's not really that int for like a boyfriend like as a okay um for a group of people I like paying stuff for my friends sometimes oh my God how are you why are you making this argument a

Brian Atlasgroup of people so you went out with a group of friends mhm including a guy you were interested in yeah I like to give back okay so how much was his

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)meal don't remember I think we just grabbed tacos or like bucks yeah was so the benefit so your AR your argument your argument when it comes to you doing

Brian Atlasonly fans and it being a positive for the man is that one time you paid 20 bucks for some tacos that's the tradeoff like she'll buy me tacos once and save me 20 bucks

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)no I'm not saying that like that's just like me being friend like I want to do that because perhaps a woman might do that even if she didn't that's not that's a friend like I'm talking about

Brian Atlasdating do with this is have nothing to do with like then why did you provide it as an example of course I want the guy to provide for me you know I want okay so you said that the only fans makes you

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)money so what benefit is the guy receiving because you said well I think guys would probably prefer a girl that's like also well o is

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)my job and that's my passion that you know that's what drives me um don't care so like for some other people like you know

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)you have to recognize it's like suboptimal for a guy right for for I mean if you took a hundred of the guys that you would be interested in you think the majority of those guys would prefer that you're doing only fans no

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)like the average guy probably not what about a guy just take a group of guys you would date right you think maity of them are like yep I'm glad she they they want to get money like you're not giving

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)them your money you're buying t i but they want they're in their career yeah they like to work and make money what does have to do with you working that's the caliber of men that I want I know but I'm saying why would they want you

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)to do only fans why would that be a positive for them not that want that's my that's my job you know I don't want you get the point right no I get what you're saying like that's my job and if

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)he thinks if I'm in love with him and if my job bothers him that much um and yeah was saying basically

Laurenit's either a neutral I will guess you know slowly drift away and stuff what you got what do you have my question is this okay there's always this thing where it's like okay woman's past will come back if she did Sex work this and

Laurenthat what if a woman's like look I love you and I'm GNA go missing and then they're like wait what drive into the desert park my car there disappear like Howard

LaurenHughes every no more Lauren roses she's gone I change my name get a little different haircut different nose there something not even too much different but all of a sudden where'd she go she's gone and and it's

Laurenlike now would would they now that the past won't even be an issue because now people go oh is that you oh people always say that I look like her guys don't look at your past only because you might show up on the internet it's

Brian Atlasbecause it's a predictor of future Behavior as well that's what I was curious to yeah wait so you okay so what but what is so the question is it was about in this hypothetical scenario

Brian Atlaswhere you get plastic surgery change your name change your appearance you lie to your future partner about your past no you tell them you tell them like they know about your past already you oh so other people can't know yeah yeah so to

Brian Atlassh save them still bad yeah still bad still bad okay okay I was curious about that though still bad curious I mean you've mitigated one of the things I guess there one one

Bristep for there's still so many other concerns I have another I have a question um you said you don't want to date average men but like do you think like a man that's like high value would

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)actually want to date someone that does yeah like if he's high value and he's okay with like me doing my own

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)business because I need to pay you know whatever I need to pay to live right um then that's the type of guy like I

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)want to date if he is going to provide for me then um yeah like and my job like is such a big

Brian Atlasconcern then I would slowly drift away and start a different business Avenue stuff our issue with what you're saying is that you're saying it's going to take

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)a guy with confidence to have to date me maybe think like what I was trying to say is like a guy who takes care of

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)himself and like feels confident being confident is not a bad thing I like um it's not confidence it's not confidence

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)yeah how is it not like someone who's you know like secure with like where they are in their life

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)and have ambition and goals can make me laugh um and we anal but I would probably be in the bucket that you would

TTS / Chat Readerconsider higher value most of my friends are as well and none of them im a captain you all leftenant donated

TTS / Chat Reader$100 Brian dot they cannot engage with the question it's always one relative I.E it depends on a guy or two anecdotal

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)i e me me me I'm different or three extreme I'm going to disappear in the in the desert she's going to disappear in the desert guys that group of guys thank you they don't seek that out for

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)long-term relationships or marriage we'll hook up with girls like that we'll casually date you're not going to lock them down though and maybe in the rare circumstance you get the guy who is like

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)this one's special and I will if she gives up her career do you know what I mean like that's rare it might happen but like it's not ideal it's not what you're looking for long term do you feel like you're a little bit conserv like you like you want your girl to dress

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)more proper and no I don't want her to just other guys right and and that's not what I would do if I was in a relationship I would never do that um I was with a

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)guy um I don't know if are you ENT entrepreneur you make content online no uh you don't make content online make content but you do entrepreneurship

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)other ways okay um I actually have talked to like a lot of guys who are I don't know if you like a lot of people do Shopify and stuff like that or like crypto you talking

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)like drop ship Bros yeah drop shiing or like crypto those guys I actually talk to me yeah they'll try to bang you and maybe they're like 24 I wouldn't say that are you dating any of them no but

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)I'm not dating them but I'm not saying like they're attract I literally asked this guy I was like who's your celebrity crush and then she and then he names like a only fans girl to though

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)look you got to understand like like most guys if given the option between a girl who has o and girl doesn't mean that it's always like oh I'm like sex that like Timothy Shel I would give he's

Brian Atlaslike another human I would if he wants to take me out on a day I would be more than happy to go on a date no she was just saying like because it's it's like a cele I'm move I'm going to move on so I have a couple more questions hopefully

Briwe can wrap up soon I don't think a high valume man would do a girl with f you have you literally you have like I just those kind of things on it it's just the fact that and

Brieven I know that even just me having one even just me having one affects a lot what kind of guys will date me and it's just the truth like whether you want to accept it or not it's just the truth it's not about their confidence or

Brian Atlasanything it's just how they respect themselves like I'm more likely to track guys that are more L the mushroom Brian love the show I'm a truck driver and love listening to the show as I drive

Brian Atlassome of these girls need to get off the pedestal and join the real world hey dude thank you so much man appreciate I think this is your first time sending a

Brian Atlasuh a uh message really appreciate it truck truck drivers keep Society Running you guys are transporting all kinds of

Brian Atlasimportant what's your load that sounded kind of sus never mind all right thank you man appreciate it wait so okay I got a couple I'm going to do some

Brian Atlasrapid fire questions here so the last tweet oh last tweet okay last tweet really quick from

UnknownDei can you read it I don't even remember saying

Unknown[Laughter] [Applause] this oh I went away okay what it said oh there it is not usually in the mood but

Unknownkind of want to make a man lick my shoe and then thank me for it what the like the little angel Emoji I like that have you ever done that yeah yeah yeah

Unknownthat would lick it that would not be cool say thank you

TTS / Chat ReaderMommy it's like so I don't know what the term is there's this like uh loose energy donated $100 Brian and Max don't waste your time

TTS / Chat Readertrying to save these hoes they don't want to be saved too far gone there's a guy named Abdel that can change their

TTS / Chat Readerlives # get the Rocks # delusional # get food get the Rocks yeah Abdul yeah get the Rocks get the Rocks yo LP good to see you in the chat man thank you thank

Brian Atlasyou man appreciate the TTS uh we can't save them that's right although we did save Nala and then we saved another girl

Brian AtlasI think we can maybe save she's too far gone too far gone I think I think Cindy maybe we can save her too far gone too far gone what do

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)you mean about me Cindy wipe that off I'll give you a $100 to wipe it off your neck right now 100 cash um I have announcement yeah yes it's real I'm

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)lying oh look at that I would seen that coming but I am known for being the God girl like I was you know so you were 5

Brian Atlashours or sorry 1 hour late for oh no I I told you it was for like it was because of traffic yeah but you like had to put it on your neck and then you took a bunch of photos and wait can you pull

Brian Atlasout the photo I sent it to you yeah you you took you took an Instagram story and like had you not done that you could have been on time no sorry fail I I it was come

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)on a for effort oh she's going to okay here it is she's going just kid do it do it do it do it no it's actually not going to that's not going to rub it off this is like an actual tattoo like like

Brian Atlasthe it's like the warm towel it's an actual tattoo like I know okay all right going to make my neck red whatever okay uh going

Brian Atlasaround the table on average who uh or well who's physically stronger men or women men men into the mics guys men

Brian Atlasmen scoot the mic closer to you and Center It Center it down the line down the line there you go we got this line just for you Cindy a thank you I appreciate it

Brian Atlasyeah man you're special oh thank you so much I'm so proud of all of you by the way okay let's see what other uh can you be sexist towards

Unknownmen yes yes me uh like no just in general can can people be sexist towards yes yes yeah absolutely yes yes can you

Unknownbe racist towards white people yes yes yes yeah no yes really Cindy coming in with the heat you don't

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)actually know well I just think that like black people usually typically get more of that we didn't mention black people yeah that wasn't the question um can like a white person be the subject

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)of a racial crime yeah in that case yeah I'm just I'm just saying typically in the US the gears return around the world black

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)people are more dominated plus Asians and Hispanic people oh like for your kids you mean yeah like uh CRT California fa state wild failed

Brian AtlasSociety Maddie what the question Oh I said yeah white CRI oh yeah okay what um white people have

Adrienculture yes yes yes yeah

Brian Atlasyeah yeah yes okay uh let's see what else here do I have um H I'm trying to

Brian Atlasjust find one that I can get you guys all bent out of shape about just talk about women's accountability no no such thing as male privilege no such thing as male wait

Brian Atlasactually here hold on let me do an easier one female privilege is greater than male privilege how about that so I won't outright deny that there's male priv but females are more privileged how

Brian Atlasso well if you look at all the ways that men and women are negatively impacted in society whether just socially or by you

Brian Atlasknow government or by law I would argue in a wide myad of ways that men have it worse give me some examples not a wide Mia give me an example sure so for

Brian Atlasexample men are more lik to be homeless men are more likely to delete themselves there's a great discrepancy in prison sentences so women are much less likely to get off they're much less like or

Brian Atlasexcuse me they're they're more likely to just get off or get a simple sentence like probation or community service men typ I think the the discrepancy is like

Brian Atlas60% longer prison sentences for the exact same crime and similar circumstances uh there's uh G there's uh

Brian Atlascircumcision of boys when they're born men are more likely to be killed by police do you think circumcision is yeah I think it's wrong wrong absolutely what

Brian Atlasabout when it's like like the like in the Jewish religion yeah also wrong yeah I'm against it whether it's for religious

Brian Atlasreasons or secular Reasons I'm crazy right yeah I'm I'm against it it's those are it's probably traumatic those are boys they're getting their penises

Brian Atlasmutilated upon birth there's pain involved I think it's barbaric it's not medically indicated and if it is that's something that that they can address

Brian Atlaswhen they're 18 when they have the choice to address it it's a bodily autonomy thing let's see what else um forced military conscription did I

Brian Atlasmention men are more likely to delete themselves uh there's a bias in the court system both criminally and civy did I say home men are more likely to be homeless I think I mentioned

Brian Atlasthat that's a good amount did you guys know all of that yeah yeah I did yeah okay so I mean those were a few I could give you more if you want but uh I think the

Unknownpatriarchy disadvantages men just as much as it disadvantages women but I don't think it's like oh women are oppressing I didn't say that yeah okay

Unknownso I mean I wouldn't say that like women have more privileges in society I I mean just because men have some disadvantages at the hands of the

Brian Atlaspatriarchy doesn't mean that women are more privileged I just reject well because what are the what are the that that create I reject your framework entirely let's just say Society okay

Brian AtlasSociety because what you're trying to do so would you be willing to concede that men have it worse than women no okay so let's just remove the patriarchy

Brian Atlasframework from this let's just call when have it bad it's at the hands of other men how so how does that matter like let me just concede that let's just say

Brian Atlasthere is a patriarchy okay there is let's say okay let's say there is a patriarchy and under this patriarchy men have it worse why would it matter if men

Brian Atlasdon't have it worse but let's say they did why would it matter if it was men okay well then it it I guess it wouldn't but like that's not the question that's not

Unknownthe reality let me ask you what is the patriarchy it is the power structure like that we have in our society where a lot of things are male doin dominated a lot of things that are feminine are seen

Unknownas weak and punishable and that affects men too that is part of why like men have higher so the patriarchy is men haveing themselves because it's subtle it's you

Adrienrun like a girl is insulting rather than neutral why is that how much more women empowerment can we have at this point I this is what I've been bringing up like I've been trying to bring this up this entire podcast I don't know where we're

Adriengoing to draw the line where women take more accountability it seems like high level non-traditional women want traditional men women want men to provide uh be financially stable lead

Adrienthe family be financially fit or be physically fit also be emotionally in tune enough to not only manage their own emotion but their wom's emotions be able to guide like I don't know how much more

Unknownwe can ask from them very basic things I do and I think that's like something that men ask of all those things I would ask my man to be

Unknownemotionally attentive like what attractive like to pull their weight financially and I think like a high value man like that's the term you use right would want like would want their

Brian Atlasgirlfriend to also be emotionally attentive attractive pull their weight financially like okay you said so you said we currently live in a patriarchy correct

Unknownand what so again what is the patriarchy what is the patriarchy honestly at this point it's very nuanced like Molly said it's a system that's been set up to

Unknownhistorically like give men these advantages like what men make more money on average how when where in America not in porn but in in

Adrienpretty much every I don't see it I don't see you don't see it look it up you haven't heard of the wage G 31 years old you never heard of it's not true women

Adrienwork Less hours they take more time off men work harder than women it is what it is if women and men ask for the same amount of money let let her finish her Point stop

Adrienstop with your yapping let her finish her Point instead of just looking up a ridiculous data set that doesn't exist you might want to look into maybe psychological reasons why men and

Adrienwomen ask for raises how often they work how hard they work why they take time off if it's totally equal on the on the time that people are putting in there is no wage Gap at all you believe men are

Unknownworse off in society than women you believe have more advantages okay tell me tell me these advantages women have disadvantages I feel disadvantaged okay so so what what's your female privilege

Brian Atlaswhat do you affirmative affirmative action okay affirmative action that's one universities in employment and so racism doesn't exist you you aren't

Brian Atlassubject you aren't subject to military conscription that's another one when it comes to your interactions with police you're far less likely to be killed or

Brian Atlasthe victim of police brutality or police misconduct let's see when it comes hold on I've got some more when it comes to for example the court system you're viewed much more favorably both civil

Brian Atlasand criminally you're far less likely to be uh prosecuted for a crime and you're far less if you do get prosecuted you're likely to more likely to get community

Brian Atlasservice or probation men will typically get I think it's 60% longer prison sentences compared to their male uh female counterparts who are uh who are

Bridoing the exact same crime so that's a few and in my personal experience like I can kind of get away with anything I want like people literally just kind of

Brian Atlasgive me whatever I want or like like let me get away with whatever also socially you just just by mere virtue of existing an 18 19 20-year-old woman can just

Unknownsiphon thousands of dollars of money from men via these Arrangement type relationships Arrangement type

Unknownrelationship to men like I think that that's one way societ that is getting what they want privilege right to just exist and have men sending you money but

Unknownit's not just existing yeah every girl every girl at home who is just getting sent thousands of dollars every day if they seek it out they can get it yeah if they seek it out I mean that's a portion

Brian Atlasof girls but there's also girls that work hard make their own money do you think that men can do that do you think the average 19-year-old guy can just get

Molly Littlemoney sent to them from women he can he targets older wom can if large amounts of money why do you think that is it's

Molly Littlebecause they're like overly sexualizing these 19-year-old girls okay totally derailing the conversation for men as well because these girls who you are saying have the

Molly Littleprivilege to be making this amount of money but you object to adult women being sexualized but no my point are we back to the age Gap discussion my point is what's your point you're thinking that now you're saying that it's an

Molly Littleadvantage for young women to be able to be doing that but before you're saying that it is like what is the word I'm looking for disadvantages us but that's not the word I'm looking for puts us down if we do only fans but you're

Brian Atlascalling that an advantage okay so from a dating perspective from a dating perspective yes it makes you less appealing if you're engaged in sex work but you

Brian Atlashave negative that it makes us less appealing for romantically speaking but if for for like she mentioned survival reasons if like a dude's out of

Brian Atlasluck homeless has to resort to Crime if he's like that desperate as a woman if totally hits the fan you

Adriencould always sell no yeah can always you guys already agreed to that because you said you could still be doing in let me let me make it less

Brian Atlasextreme let me make it less extreme you can just if if doesn't work out for you financially you could just pursue a guy who's prepared to provide for you but that's also putting you at a

Molly Littledisadvantage because then prepared to do that then you're also prepared to let go of the emotional intimacy the the safety

Brian Atlasuh but is a privilege it is a privilege you don't even have to do sex work you get well in terms of like being nude you could just go on seeking and like get

Brian Atlasthese men to send you money D that is physically dangerous not if you meet them dangerous if you meet no I'm saying if you don't if you don't meet them but they don't send you money without

Brian Atlasmeeting unless you're like doing sexual things the point is that we had girls come on the show who get paid money just for having conversations with us and I do that too I do Skype calls where nonex

Unknownbut it's because I have this sexual platform I couldn't get that to spread your butthole for like gay fans oh no not even gay but you're getting it from

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)the opposite sex there's a differential here like let's say why literally what's different money is money pool where the money is coming from is also much smaller do you agree there's there's

Molly Littlefewer game makes so much more money than straight porn makes more money than gay porn and what you're saying is gay porn stars make more right gay porn makes more

Brian Atlasmoney not than not not not straight gay wait question gay hold on okay cool do gay men do gay men earn

Brian Atlasmore than straight women in porn I think so yes they do from what I've heard Co cool the industry is smaller okay I want to quickly address the wage Gap thing

Brian AtlasI'm going to I'm going to address the wage Gap thing I've got I I found a couple notes here so men work harder and longer in tougher jobs men stay in the workforce longer in those tougher jobs

Brian Atlasmen gravitate to tougher and harder but higher paying jobs and stay in them longer women leave the workforce voluntarily to have and raise children women have options they can work part time Flex time full-time they job share

TTS / Chat Readermen have two options their options are workers donated $100 men have material power if they stay in their gender role women have social power if they stay in their

TTS / Chat Readergender role nobody likes argumentative women and men are not competitive it's sequel i' agree word

Brian Atlasword no not yet I hold on thank you fors I appreciate it man uh wait okay so look moving off of the a uh the the wage Gap

Brian Atlasso you say we currently live in a a patriarchy so under patriarchy are women oppressed I think we're all oppressed we

Unknownall suffer under patriarchy even men yes okay who's the oppressors then are men Society are men the oppressors it's a very like it's a very complicated and

Unknownlike issue but it's at the point that it's like we are all doing it to each other and to our so how are are you oppressed I am oppressed I'm probably oppressing other you know like the whole like how are you

Unknownoppressed everybody is in some ways everybody has like their own advantages and disadvantages how are you oppressed by the patriarchy under the patriarchy I could not make the kind of

Unknownmoney that I did if I didn't make the career choice that I did and because I made the career choice that I did Society objectifies me vilifies me and sells me I'm undatable so I can either

Unknownmake money or can or I can you made a choice opportunity cost everything and everything is an opportunity cost and everything you're going to get as a woman you're going to get looked at a certain way no matter what industry you're in people are going to sexualize

Brian Atlasyou people are going to treat you a certain way you literally sexualize yourself how much does your only fans cost where you're getting I'm not saying I'm not sexualizing I you're sexualizing yourself okay so I don't think the example you provideed is

Unknownevidence of being oppressed so how are you oppressed I I'm too on the spot I can't think of an example right now so you win you you get that

Brian Atlasround okay Checkmate I guess um okay

Bricool lawyer okay let's see you could start no I was just saying like cuz you said like I I wouldn't be making this kind of money you could have like

Bristarted a business you could have started a business or like okay that would make that would make the same kind of money as fast yeah yeah yeah well you

Briknow that's that's good for you a girl who made 100K in her first two months yeah like like you didn't even try right didn't you do that right when you turned 18 so you want to you want to like put that in my face like scoot your mic to

Brithe end that's what I'm saying I took the easy route cuz I was young and dumb now I want to move on to like starting businesses and doing that kind of stuff what business are you going to what are

Unknownyou addicted to I do and I I didn't get into it just for the money like it's easyy out survival you entered it out of you desired to

Unknowndo are you are you proud of the item that you're selling I'm so proud of it I'm so proud and and unlike you I didn't come into it just for the money and actually hate having sex and hate

Unknownshowing my body like that and hate living this like I love it it she was saying that she didn't like it it wasn't for her she didn't like showing her body like that and that's totally fine girl I respect that like Nutella think I think

Unknownthat if that's how you feel about sex and sexuality in your body you should not do porn you should not do anything like this I'm talking about you were saying

TTS / Chat Readerearlier how you were oppressed because they sexualize you for and how you niod donated $100 women used to cry when their nudes

TTS / Chat Readergot leaked now am I understand why they didn't get the $3 they thought it was worth that's that is a good point actually I think that's a really interesting point because there's a lot

Molly Littleof girls I know that have started only fans because their nudes got leaked as a form of taking control back I agree with their body is taking control they were exposed UNC consensually so now these girls are

Laurentaking photos in a light that they're comfortable understand the logic but it's that's sad that that happened to them though I started uh sex work because uh I people thought I was a lesbian and I was angry about it there you

Laurengo conf that was at least the one of the reason wait you started prostitution because I started dancing at first it started with dancing but people thought to prove that you weren't a lesbian yeah cuz people were like Oh I thought you

Unknownwere gay or lesbian and I'm just like I'm not you showed them I showed them I showed them you showed them but but then as I got older and you know I was like

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)okay I actually like this and do you look at uh Playboy like from the 90s the same as you would look at only fans I have a Playboy account me like a Playboy model do you think that that was the only fans of the 90s different because

Brian Atlasthey're not interacting with the guys yeah there is like this certain uh there's definitely a different component because like the what the guy pays what 10 bucks for a Playboy magazine but some

Brian Atlasof these girls are like siphoning these dudes money there's definitely like this um potential I'm not saying all girls who do only fans are like kind of playing this game with some of these men

Brian Atlaswho are just sending obscene obscene amount of money but it's definitely different it's I mean it's still pornographic content but there's like this the lay the other

Brian Atlaslayer of it is women who are selling the girlfriend experience and I do question if some of these men have a genuine or genuinely pursuing you

Brian Atlasromantically and you're using that leverage that you have over them to siphon money I'm not saying all all of the girls do this but it certainly has

Brian Atlasoccurred to me that that is something that these guys find you attractive they start wanting to date you and that's a very powerful position where you can

Laurenkind of start siphoning their money without any intention of ever ever romantically pursuing them yeah that does happen and and a lot of it it involves boundaries in a sense where

Laurenit's like hey like you know this is the experience but if if there I've known you know women we all probably have um that didn't have boundaries with the financial for the men and the men were

Laurenlike oh my gosh I'm broke now and it it took their their sovereignty away I feel like with price I always like to agree on price like hey are you you comfortable with this this is my prices

Laurenbut are you comfortable with this is this good they say yes if it's not a heaven yes it's a hell no and that is their sovereignty and I want to honor that because if I keep pushing about

Laurenmoney it starts to become wondering is this consensual to them am I just acting upon like you said their emotions and playing upon that I want to know for sure if it's they're 100 in this that's why it's like no more conversations

Laurenabout money once we're in that room no more conversations about money no me asking you for a tip nothing if you want to do it do it you know it's almost different though because you're actually like sleeping with the guys and on only

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)fans it's just like they're being sold a dream through a messaging platform AG they'll pay for it continually I do not believe in the um like the companies

Laurenthat do that I think it's wrong I really do I I don't like that um where they're Auto messaging people pretending to be somebody I don't like that I have an interesting uh question on this uh do we think that let's just say that the

Adriensituation that we just chatted about women could be baiting men to get more money through a variety of reasons do we think that there's any correlation between that effort and potentially bad men that are could be essentially baiting women to sleep with them with

Laurenthe promise that they'll eventually change them and get into a relationship I'm saying I'm just when you guys were talking I'm like I could kind of see they can there there's guys that you can tell you can kind of sniff them out a little bit in a sense where they'll they'll try to change you by like oh

Laurenwhen you're going to get out of this and then you tell them hey I'm not looking to get out soon but some girls they want to keep them there and try to keep the income coming in so they say I don't know maybe one day when I meet somebody but that's not okay I think and Brian

Adrienthis might be towards you if if one of men's most powerful tools is their financial stability and uh ability and females perhaps it's their purity and lower body counts aren't we kind of bartering with the two most important

Brian Atlasthings and is the baiting the same just from man perspective I don't I mean I think if you're a guy and you're the girl is desirous of a

Brian Atlaslong-term relationship and she's made that clear to you and you're kind of not being upfront with your intentions and

Brian Atlasyou her and then dump her I think that's scummy it's different than the dynamic on only fans I'm not saying it's good

Brian Atlasbut it's it's somewhat comparable but I mean we all make kind of these promises to each other right in relationship so for example I'll love

Brian Atlasyou forever and then whether a woman or a man says that and then you end up you break up with them well you just broke your promise you promis to love me

Brian Atlasforever MH and then so if if a a woman sleeps with a man under those terms he said oh well he said he would love me forever but then they break up nine

Laurenmonths later is that wrong did he like bait her into having sex with him I'm not sure people I think people are allowed to if he meant it in the moment yeah the intention he at the moment if he meant at the moment then

Adrienthat was the moment that they they shared and and so is your is your example oh sorry did you want to continue sorry my no you you answered it I I think that they're they could be comparable in a few senses but they are different I was just curious because the

Brian Atlasthe question came to my mind as you guys were I do think like if a guy is like lying to the girl about his intentions and says he wants to get have a long-term relationship with her and then

Brian Atlashe her and then dips I think that's objectionable I don't think that's cool um no it could it could there could also be a scenario where uh a guy does have the intention of

Brian Atlashaving a long-term relationship and then they have sex and then something afterwards happens within a very short period of time and then he's like well I've changed my mind mhm I think that

Brian Atlasthat could happen but if he's just being a scumbag and just trying to and lying about it I think that's scummy and I would not encourage men do that um I think men are allowed to change their minds though but maybe just let them know like let maybe ask him like Hey why

Laurenwhy did you change your mind he's like you know I I just I send this but you know I really appreciated that and I want too they at the retreat they said if if you are not planning to have sex with someone again just you have a

Brian Atlasclosing like hey like you know this is our closure right now and you know um thank you for honoring yourself and I had that moment with you yeah so yes I do think it's scummy if a guy is lying

Brian Atlasabout his intentions in order to have sex with a girl I do think that's scummy and I don't think men should make it a an effort to just like sleep with a bunch of women I'm not in favor of male

Brian Atlaspromiscuity I me personally I don't have an interest in like having sex with a girl once having a one night stand if I have sex with a girl I want there to be a continuity and I want to continue uh

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)seeing her I know maybe that standard's rare but at least that's my standard so yeah Brian didn't you say that when you start talking to the girl you want her

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)to be loyal to you and like date only you remember sure yeah what's your question no I just remember you saying saying that oh yeah from the gecko boom

Brian Atlasonly me I feel like preferably no other most girls would date around a little bit just to see she ain't for me then back to the streets you go you can you can around between a couple guys

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)and they'll be dating like going for lunch and stuff not doing anything like crazy like you know like after how many dates do you want to like lock a girl in to be your girlfriend well

Unknownpreferably before I even meet her she's properly single well yeah yeah but sheing to be like oh you're my girlfriend like I love how does she know that you like her like in a sense like cuz what if she's like oh he doesn't

Brian Atlaslike me so I'm going to go with somebody and be like e like we didn't really connect it's not for me you know what I mean well I'm not saying if she doesn't like me or I don't like her that she needs to continue being loyal with me well yes so then after how many dates

Laurenlike after how many she know that you like girl oh or do you not you like quickly does she have to be loyal yeah yes after the first date okay so so so that would pertain to people that like

Laurenyou would ask out and then immediately after you asked her out you'd be like hey only eyes for me as opposed to like if let's say like the girl was around and and then she had sex with another guy and then and then you're like oh

Cindy Zang / Demi Hawks (mixed)it's only for me but it was only if you asked her out first have you talked to her prior like have you guys hanged out with cuz she needs to know that she you like her have you hanged out with her before look there's a lot of scenarios

Brian Atlashere I'll say this yeah if I go on the first date with her and she wants to go on a second date with me it has to be a rap with the other dudes got okay it has to be a rap sense that's it and if if

Brian Atlasyou're still on the fence about me there doesn't have to be a second date that's fine you want to around with other guys see other guys I'm not the one for you then mhm

Brisimple yeah simple I have a comment what's your

Bricomment I don't think that guys are biologically um set to be with one girl I think men biologically and just in the

Brian Atlaslike since the beginning of time they're meant to have multiple women and multiple children here here's the beautiful thing about humans though we are not beholden to our our Base Animal

Briinstincts and we have actually you are no you have your animal instincts no matter how bad you want to change it I have I have there's there's something

Brian Atlascalled discipline MH right right so there's discipline so perhaps I have a desire it's like this if you're in a monogamous relationship okay there's another

Brian Atlasattractive woman but I've given a promise to somebody to be faithful to them I'm not going to go her because I've made this promise here I

Brian Atlasdon't think men are supposed to be with one ah but see we as humans we have we have the greatest Intelligence on the planet and through that intelligence we

Brian Atlashave agency and we can make we can uh make decisions and we have self-control and through that self-control we can fight these sort of Base Animal urges

BriMH I feel like that's still like what we were set to do like right so what do you think about laws so women were meant to

Brian Atlaslike you have something I want you have something I want say say like you have you have a uh I'm trying to think of an

Brian Atlasexample here you have um a wallet with $5,000 in it I would love to have that $5,000 my perhaps my base animal urge is

Brian Atlasto take it from you by force MH but because of laws because of agency because of self-control I choose not to do

Briit okay but that's stuff that we made up I feel like at the core men they're they're instinct is to have

Bribabies with as many women as possible and spread their seed as much as they can to become Alpha really evos pych I

Briget it yeah so so you're saying men don't have the self-control to not cheat on their Partners is that what you're saying I think that it just makes sense on why cuz people are like well why did

Briyou cheat she was perfect like blah blah blah like maybe men men cheat out of physical desire they don't cheat out of emotional usually they don't cheat out out of

Briemotion women cheat out of emotion wom cheat because there's something wrong in her relationship um for men you could have the perfect relationship but still cheat because of that physical desire

Briyou had in that moment cuz that's just what you're biologically programmed to do okay sure I acknowledge that there are men who cheat yeah no there and

Brithere are men who can also be loyal mhm most men are cheaters are going to have that desire to spr there's a difference between having a desire and acting on the

Adriendesire Bri I I have to ask just a quick question so uh when you said men are you know programmed to spread their seed for a real life example today someone like Nick Hannon right yeah would you say

Adrienthat he is respected by men or by women or or society as a whole because technically he's spreading his seed a lot but I'm just saying per your logic I I just don't think that it Garners the

Brirespect that maybe could I think women well honestly that because we have changed the ways we look at life now how we look at relationships now now it's

Brinot about who has the most wom it's about actually it kind of is about who has the most woman so yeah cuz it is about who has the most woman men are doing all the stuff they do to attract

Brias most women as possible because they want other men to say oh he has all the like that's really what they want what are you even arguing about you want to date three men at the same time

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)I know because back to my thing monogamy monogamy isn't a human like it isn't normal for women it definitely is you have a point about guys for women they are not

Matthew / Demi Hawks (mixed)pre-programmed to go and spread their eggs like you know it's not an option for them they were they in their DNA more meant to parir bond with one man I

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