1v1 DEBATE: Jimbob vs. NotSoErudite -- Feminism Debate | Whatever Debates #16
Date: 2025-05-11
Duration: 3h 29m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Kyla (NotSoErudite)(guest)
SPEAKER_04Jim Bob(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:18
IntroBrian introduces debate: Jim Bob vs Kyla (NotSoErudite) on feminism
00:02:00
Key MomentJim Bob opens: feminism is self-contradictory, depends on patriarchal power it opposes
01:40:03
Key MomentKyla concedes she defers to husband Nick on final decisions, honoring Christian headship
02:13:45
QuoteKyla: having children is 'amoral'/neutral — prompts Jim Bob to challenge her Christian credentials
03:02:18
Key MomentJim Bob closing: feminism has no standard and no obligations
03:06:05
Key MomentKyla closing: Jim Bob doesn't know three branches of government or understand GDP
Topics Discussed
00:02:00
Definition of Feminism
Jim Bob: self-contradictory (depends on patriarchal structures it opposes). Kyla: empowerment of women and promotion of femininity.
00:29:00
Force Doctrine and Patriarchy
Whether society is underpinned by male force. Jim Bob: women's rights are allowances granted by men. Kyla rejects 'stolen valor' framing.
01:36:00
Feminism's Lack of Duties
Jim Bob: feminism has no built-in duties/obligations unlike Christianity. Kyla: has values/oughts even without formal obligations.
02:00:00
Christian Marriage and Submission
Kyla's Radical Orthodoxy view. She defers to husband Nick on final decisions. Discussion of Christian headship.
03:02:18
Closing Statements
Jim Bob: feminism has no standard, no obligations. Kyla: Jim Bob equivocates on obligations vs values.
Transcript
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)probably not super appropriate in a public space where there are children to like thrust your sexual taboo onto children who don't understand it, can't consent it, and the parents are probably not consenting to it. So, you would would you walk up to that person and say that or I'd probably talk to the
02:55:55
Kyla (NotSoErudite)organizer of the Pride Parade because they're the ones like allowing it. Right. Right. How do you think that would go? I don't know. Probably some Probably not so good, huh? Yeah. Some would be like, "Thanks for your opinion." Yeah. But that that's just
02:56:07
Brian Atlaslike not what we're debating about. Like Yeah. Yeah. There's lots of queer people that are [ __ ] [ __ ] True. We are going to do little chats here. We're going to probably wind down momentarily. So, if you want, get them
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02:56:29
SPEAKER_00Thank you, man. Desert Joe donated $100. Appreciate it. Jim Bob, do it again, but this time as Ben Shapiro. I think it was like the steel man. Damn it. Steel man. They're always forcing me to do it in
02:56:41
SPEAKER_03impressions. You're a fan of Ben Shapiro, aren't you? Big fan. Pro Israel. Go Israel. I I like some of his stances. What do you like about What do you like? Tell me. My wife doesn't tell me how much I she likes me, so I'm going
02:56:52
Kyla (NotSoErudite)to take it from you. What the [ __ ] Tell me. Tell me. I don't know. I I feel like he's going to watch this later. Feel funny. Tell me I'm symmetrical. Am I a big man? I don't think Tell me I'm a big man on campus. This is not
02:57:05
Kyla (NotSoErudite)your best impression. Your Jordan Peterson one is is pretty good, but this one this one's okay.
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Brian Atlastrolley ploop slippy slop. It's time for another shot. What a great debate. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for your message. We have Dark
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SPEAKER_00Omen42 coming in here in just a moment. Uh thank you Dark Omen. Appreciate it. And thank you Guggy Glug.
02:57:43
SPEAKER_00Darkman 42 donated $100. Castle Rock v Gonzalez. Scotus decision. Police only have an obligation to defend you if you're in custody. When
02:57:54
Kyla (NotSoErudite)second matter police are minutes away. You Valdi cops were fired, not charged. Yeah, I didn't disagree with this. I just said everyone also [ __ ] hated them because obviously most people expect cops to engage in some level of
02:58:07
SPEAKER_00protecting like community even though they're not legally obligated to, right? We have your friend here, Intel. Intel Wild donated $69. Jim Bob, hitting the gym is
02:58:20
SPEAKER_00definitely making your shoulders look bigger. You totally wrecked this 34 to the Orbiter tonight. Okay. W Jim Bob. Thank you. Slowly but surely. Thank you, Intel. Good to see you in the show. Got
02:58:32
Kyla (NotSoErudite)to say, his lowest donation so far has been not talking about me, but glazing you guys. Interesting. Interesting. What are you trying to say about Intel?
02:58:41
SPEAKER_00saying that Intel Wild spending money to talk to me. There you go. Okay, got Jason here. Thank you, Jason. Jason Castle donated
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SPEAKER_00$69. Nature's concept of master morality supports my view of tactics. The noble tactician applies force intelligently, unashamedly, shaping the battlefield,
02:59:02
Kyla (NotSoErudite)not dodging power with moral excuses. He's got a followup coming in here in just a moment. That was a crazy statement. Jason Cassell literally went to chat GBT and rolled his forehead on it and said, "Nech." Jason Castle
02:59:15
SPEAKER_00donated $69. Also, I find it funny that you claim to be a Christian, but you reference ner states Christianity as the one great
02:59:26
Kyla (NotSoErudite)curse. I also cited Haidiger, who's a Nazi. Do you think that that means that I also am a Nazi? Like yes, you can cite people who disagree with multiple things that also have good criticisms of other
02:59:38
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Brian Atlasfor the $2 on Cash App. Appreciate that. And it is a $69 TTS if you guys want to get it in. Uh, you know what? Uh, unless you guys wanted to do a bit more open conversation, I think we can just go into the closing statements unless you
03:00:58
Brian Atlasguys want to cover anything else. We can do that. Okay, cool. You've been here for 18 hours. Yep. Uh, so, uh, Kyla, you get to uh, close first. Why don't you go? Don't I close last cuz I went second
03:01:11
Kyla (NotSoErudite)cuz he got the first word, so I got the last word, right? Or wait, hold on. Yeah, cuz last time I got Is that how it works? Yeah, it probably should be cuz usually starting first is the strongest and ending last is like the strongest.
03:01:21
Kyla (NotSoErudite)You balance those two things. Isn't it like first goes last, I went first. Is that how it goes? But then you're getting the strongest starting and the strongest ending, which doesn't make a lot of sense, right? I thought it
03:01:32
Kyla (NotSoErudite)was like recency effect. I think affirming isn't the strongest cuz you're in the No, when I say when I say strongest, I mean like to the viewer. There's recency effect and then there's like um um initiation effect or whatever
03:01:46
Brian Atlasit's called. Where's the I don't care. I thought whoever whoever goes first goes first for the close. But uh that would mean that he goes first for the close and then I end it. Sorry. Wait, I
03:01:57
Brian Atlasmisspoke. Whoever goes first for the for the open goes second for the close. Am I just Whatever you want to
03:02:07
Brian Atlasdo, boss. It's your show. You know what? We're going to have you You know what? No, Kyla gets last words. Bob, go ahead. You go first. Um yeah, so the debate, uh
03:02:18
Jim Bobthere wasn't a clear prompt. It wasn't exactly the same as her previous debate. Uh essentially, we're looking at what feminism is, what feminism isn't. I think the key thing to take away tonight
03:02:29
Jim Bobum from this debate conversation was that when you ask someone like Kyla, is there a is there a standard for what
03:02:38
Jim Bobconstitutes feminism? And the answer is no. There really isn't a a position you can take to say this feminism thing is good for society. It's just a set of
03:02:50
Jim Bobpreferences that you're calling feminism that a stance that's totally antithetical to those to those that criteria could also claim feminism. So in other words, I can claim feminism,
03:03:02
Jim Bobtrue feminism. The real feminism is actually a Christian ethical system, uh, a Christian duty-based system that puts the wife and the mother primarily at home raising the children. That's good
03:03:15
Jim Bobfor society and the men being the provider and the protector and that the world itself or the the the country itself is reflective of that. I would argue that that's actually reflective of the church it church itself. If you call
03:03:26
Jim Bobyourself a Christian, it's not only hierarchical, but it's patriarchal. Um, I think ultimately feminism, no matter how you cut it, the moment you apply it
03:03:37
Jim Bobto society, you're affirming the patriarchal role. You're actually saying women should have xyz and it's a request and a grievance. And you're making the
03:03:48
Jim Bobgrievance to a collective body of mostly men that are going to say yes or no to it. It's an allowance. It's like the child in the room asking uh can he can he finally come downstairs and play and
03:04:00
Jim Bobthe the leader of the house is saying maybe uh they can go back on it any time. For instance, you can give women the right to vote and you could also take it away. So it's not something uh
03:04:12
Jim Bobuh that that can't be altered by men ultimately at any given point. And so that points to a major distinction between men and women uh ontologically. Their natures are different. They're
03:04:24
Jim Bobdriven towards different things. And I I think a society that acknowledges the difference between men and women is actually a society that's better and more accurately describing reality.
03:04:35
Jim BobFeminism doesn't describe reality accurately. It actually argues with nature itself. It argues with descriptive reality and says, can we change descriptive reality? And
03:04:46
Jim Bobultimately the answer is no. Um and then finally uh which is uh the killer. Uh any any worldview that's uh counter to
03:04:56
Jim BobChristianity is going to have a massive problem with this particular category of attack. Duties and obligations. Duties and obligations. Uh no matter how
03:05:08
Jim Bobsomeone presents, how eloquent, how complex they present their worldview. When we ask a simple question, do you have any duty to XYZ? Do we have any are there any duties or obligations at all?
03:05:20
Jim BobWhy should we follow this principle? Why should we do any of this? They don't have an answer. Uh they don't have an answer to this question. They could make one up, but it's a set of preferences. And so they're back to square one. Okay, someone else comes along with greater
03:05:33
Jim Bobforce and they're going to they're going to implement their set of preferences and you really can't say [ __ ] especially as a woman. And so, um, feminism is a massive lie. We didn't
03:05:43
Jim Bobeven get into the history of it. um its beginnings and uh it continues to be a lie and I think uh more and more women are waking up to the fact that maybe
03:05:53
Jim Bobthey don't maybe they shouldn't uh spend their most fertile years chasing a name tag and a lanyard uh acquiring debt uh
03:06:03
Jim Bobacquiring rosters and uh and a long list of uh body counts. Maybe the best thing for women, maybe the best thing for
03:06:14
Jim Bobwomen, maybe the most feminist approach you could possibly take for women is to be servants of the home, servants of God, servants to their children and their husband.
03:06:26
Kyla (NotSoErudite)All right. Thank you, Jim Bob. And then Kylo, give us your closing statement, please. Sure. So, um I'm not sure why, but Jim Bob kind of did this interesting equivocation where he uh talks about
03:06:38
Kyla (NotSoErudite)duties and obligations and compares it to things like where you're compelled to do, what you're required to do and there's consequences for not and he's muddying that with another concept which would be like ought statements or
03:06:50
Kyla (NotSoErudite)prescriptions, right? And these are not the same thing, right? There are certain behaviors that you're barred from doing, but that doesn't mean that there's other behaviors that you must do necessarily. And so when he's talking about like obligations from feminism, he's saying
03:07:02
Kyla (NotSoErudite)that it doesn't have obligations. But but it does if by obligations you mean values and principles about how one should act, right? This idea as well that like feminism doesn't have this like any level of like internal
03:07:14
Kyla (NotSoErudite)sophistication to create an internalized definition is is essentially flying in the face of how basically all of philosophy works. Right? This idea that feminism doesn't have a uniting front
03:07:26
Kyla (NotSoErudite)isn't really true. Nobody would really agree that somebody who like wants to put women in dungeons and give them no rights is a feminist, right? And even if that person said that they were a feminist, it wouldn't be a live idea
03:07:37
Kyla (NotSoErudite)because at the zeitgeist level society, we've broadly agreed that feminism has certain precepts that we agree to. But it's it's it's a non-institutional ide ideology. And so if if religion,
03:07:50
Kyla (NotSoErudite)Christianity, an institution that has pretty strict bridged standards by what you should and shouldn't believe can have so many interpretations and heterogeneity and how it expresses and
03:08:00
Kyla (NotSoErudite)what oughts they think you must do. Feminism is just similar in that it's an idea, but it's it's even more devoid of an institutional like structure. But just because it lacks an institutional
03:08:11
Kyla (NotSoErudite)structure doesn't make it just like this defunct idea. This is obviously true, right? If feminism wasn't really real, then Jim Bob wouldn't have an issue with it. If it didn't have some level of like pressing cohesion to it, then Jim Bob
03:08:23
Kyla (NotSoErudite)wouldn't see it as like a satanic thing of history, right? It's obviously something even though the lines between what is and isn't feminism can be argued about how to define it. We don't have
03:08:34
Kyla (NotSoErudite)standards for things like kindness precisely. We talk about it. There's generally an orientation towards what we think looks and feels like kindness, but that doesn't mean that there's like institutional standards by which we call
03:08:46
Kyla (NotSoErudite)this is kindness and this is not. It's it's a very much a a dialogue, which is what feminism is. And I think that's part of what makes feminism cool, right? Is that's this idea that most people can self- select into and engage with and
03:08:58
Kyla (NotSoErudite)kind of make it their own. But there's obviously going to be people that are co-opting the label that don't have any orientations that broadly would be towards feminism. Um, just want to speak
03:09:09
Kyla (NotSoErudite)very briefly on debt. Probably important to point out that probably the worst thing that has happened to with like David Ramsey and Boomer is to make you think that debt is scary inherently.
03:09:20
Kyla (NotSoErudite)It's not scary inherently. In fact, the richest people on the planet have massive amounts of debt. What's a problem with debt is unmanaged debt and having a a debt that is inflating and interest growing that is larger than
03:09:33
Kyla (NotSoErudite)your income, right? Debt that gets away from you. But debt is one of the principles by which makes inflation uh fungeible because it essentially decreases value over time. So anyone
03:09:43
Kyla (NotSoErudite)doing this like ugabooga about debt doesn't know really what they're talking about. Jim Bob is a really classic example of somebody who talks a lot really confidently about things but doesn't really know what the [ __ ] he's talking about. The last time him and I
03:09:56
Kyla (NotSoErudite)had a debate, we talked about GDP. And in the middle of the debate, it got revealed that he doesn't know what GDP is. And he doesn't know why it even matters for a military, which if you don't know, to have a military, you have to have a competitive enough GDP that you can fund it so that neighboring
03:10:09
Kyla (NotSoErudite)countries don't [ __ ] stop you. That's why GDP matters, right? In the case of when we're talking about governance and obligations, he doesn't even know what the three branches are government are. And so it's like you should probably be cautious when listening to somebody when they're speaking about governance or
03:10:23
Kyla (NotSoErudite)they're speaking about debt or they're speaking about the ways that we in which we should organize ourselves when they don't even know like the basic precepts under which they live, right? Should probably know what the legislative branch is and what it does. If you want to talk in any way about like civil
03:10:36
Kyla (NotSoErudite)rights and obligations that we might have, you should probably understand what the executive branch does and the judicial branch. If you want to cite the Supreme Court for your argument, it's probably important to do these things. Finally, when we're talking about things
03:10:47
Kyla (NotSoErudite)like force versus freedom, these are tensions that go against each other. Force is something that we need. You need a military to stomp the bad guys. You need to be able to like protect your sovereignty. That's valuable, but we
03:10:59
Kyla (NotSoErudite)don't live for force. We survive by force and we live for freedoms. That's what we like thrive and flourish with. And feminism is much more preoccupied with the flourishing piece. What are
03:11:10
Kyla (NotSoErudite)pieces that we can give to women to help them flourish more? And you might disagree. You might not like the idea that feeling that women need to flourish anymore and that's totally fine, right?
03:11:20
Kyla (NotSoErudite)But feminism doesn't have to solve security. It's not aiming to. It's not a commentary on security in any ways. And so when you conflate these things arbitrarily, all you're doing is making a false dichotomy because these two
03:11:33
Kyla (NotSoErudite)things have nothing to do with one another. Um, if you want to like show up to debates, you should probably know how your government works. You should probably understand how fallacies work. And you should probably understand how like economy basically works if you want
03:11:45
Brian Atlasto talk about any of these things in in an informed way. Okay, thank you guys for your closing statements. We do have some chats that are going to come through though here towards the end. Uh oh, speaking of
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Brian Atlaswhich, we're going to do a little a brief roast session. $20 TTS if you want to get a roast in here at the end. Vincent with the Australian hundred. Thank you for the super chat, man. All the way from Australia. Arrow, don't you
03:12:09
Brian Atlasagree that marriage, kids, and an army predominantly of men? Women predominantly women are predominantly are mothers and laws like murder and stealing is pragmatic and Christian.
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)First of all, cute new nickname. Arrow like it. Women predominantly are mothers and laws like murder and stealing is pragmatic and Christian.
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)Uh, God, there's so much in there. Uh, women being mothers is pragmatic and Christian. It's not really pragmatic. No one else can be mothers. It's just like a biological necessity. I I don't know. I
03:12:44
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SPEAKER_00Here it is. Jason, thank you, man. Appreciate it. Jason Castle donated 69. Wow. Cope harder. Maybe we should do a debate on NZ's concepts of master
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)morality, slave morality, and the will to power. But since you already took two big L's tonight, I'll have mercy on you. Ah, yes. The big man saving the woman. Tell you what, I stream pretty regularly and I would love to debate you. You can
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)hop into my Discord. Uh, it's called the super ego or you can just join me like on my stream, not so aerodyite. And you can debate me about Nichze all you'd like. I would love to have a chance to [ __ ] just take your little face and
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Brian Atlasrub it in the [ __ ] that you made. [ __ ] Oh, dang. Okay, Jason. And then make you smell it. Bad boy. All right, Jason. There you go. Ch. The challenge has been issued. Do we have uh uh Oops. Intel
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Brian AtlasWild donated $20. Not so bright. Have you ever had sexual relations with Destiny? No. I'm married, guys. All right. Not Oh my god. Intel Wild, calm
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Brian Atlasthough. He's obviously talking about the things that the Dutch do. He loves me. Oh yeah, you can have that word on screen. Yeah, I should probably Oh, it's fine. I'll fix it. Um, Intel Wild, you need to send in a champagne pot for
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Brian AtlasIt's lovely. Well done. Thanks. Proud of you. Do you see the back? No. Thank you. Look at that guy. Wow. That is That is
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)something neck beard. The neck beard. Yeah. Oh, I should get one of those. Uh, let's see. Okay, $20 TTS. This lighting is not doing you justice, Jim Bob. I got
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Brian Atlasto say that shirt color is much nicer in person. Oh, this the Yeah, I agree. Well, I think also this this monitor here that we have is not what they see. Yeah, this isn't what this see. It's
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Brian Atlasprobably a little oversaturated here. Uh, yeah, it's cuz it's a TV monitor versus a computer monitor. So, it's a little bit little different. Let me see
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SPEAKER_00if Oh, we have Wait. Oh my goodness. Okay, sure. Why not? Whatever. Intel Wild donated $20. Not so dyke. Why do you continue to support Destiny after he
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)does such horrible things to young women? Uh, the same reason that you insist on sending in TTS's uh to masturbate to Jason Castle donated $69. Thank you, Jason. Appreciate it. Haha.
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)You couldn't do that. You are a woman and I'm a man. You couldn't rub my face into anything. You are too weak, dummy. Yeah, it's debating doesn't mean I can touch you. So, I don't know if you know
03:17:00
Kyla (NotSoErudite)how Discord works, but it would be like a voice call. So, obviously, when I'm saying I'll rub your face in your [ __ ] it's a euphemism, right? Um, just to help you out, Jason. Yeah. All right. Thank you, Jason, for that. We have Ali.
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)Alan Knight donated $20ite. Aren't you in an open marriage? and Christian. I am not in an open marriage, but it is one of the favorite
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SPEAKER_00lies that people who don't like me like to spread. All right, we have Tess Tess Tess donated $20. Since every law enforces someone's morality, whose
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SPEAKER_00standard will a neutral state adopt? God's revealed law or autonomous man's. Isn't so-called neutrality just a secular theocracy in disguise?
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)uh the standard that the law will follow will be like the collective agreement about what is good within society typically. Okay, we have Pasty George.
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SPEAKER_00Thank you, Pasty. Pasty George donated $20. Brian, when will you add a champagne option for an individual and not the whole pan? Oh, so one individual person has to drink the entire champagne
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Brian Atlasbottle. It's probably a little dangerous. Uh I don't know. I don't know. Uh pro Uh, you know what? We'll do it tomorrow. We'll do it tomorrow just for you, Pasty
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Brian AtlasGeorge. But here's the deal. If we do tomorrow, uh, you have to send in a champagne pop tomorrow, pasty George. And, uh, yes. Okay. We have JB. Thank
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SPEAKER_00you, man. JB Beltier donated $20. She got bodied by a smart man with one quarter of her education because the disagreement is on a rational and objective basis. She relies on derailing
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SPEAKER_00into particulars to deliberately miss the point. Okay, JB. Appreciate it. We have Nave. Nave's donated $20. Thank you, man. W Jim Bob W. Andrew W. Brian.
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Brian AtlasWait, you never sucked the crew. Gremlins D. How do you have a platform? Uh, nope. Uh, it seems like people like to listen to me for my own ideas. Okay. All right, Christopher Murphy.
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SPEAKER_00Appreciate that. We have Billy Bob here. Billy Bob donated $20. Why does Eerite always make a face like she's thinking so hard to answer a question and then ends up saying the most incoherent
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)statement in history? Jim Bob did an amazing job today. Thank you, Billy Bob. Billy Bob must be really tough keeping up. Billy Bob, that's okay. Not reading
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SPEAKER_00literacy isn't for everyone. So, uh oh, we got he's Jason Castle donated $20. I will literally fight you, dummy. I already invited you on to my Discord.
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SPEAKER_00You can come on stream anytime, buddy. All right, we got Riz here. Thank you, Jason, for that one. He will literally fight a woman. Okay, donated
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Brian Atlas$20 GDP stands for gaslight. Deny patriarchy. Weman's. Am I right? Good one. W Oh, okay. There you go. Whammans. Jason Castell, very chivalous of you.
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SPEAKER_00Thank you. Thank you. Sons of Liberty coming in. Thank you. Sons of Liberty donated $19.99. Appreciate it. I believe liberals are the greatest threat to our republic and hope they all get deported to El
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SPEAKER_00Salvador. Crazy. With that said, Jim Bob, please tell me it was a brain about our three branches. It was admittedly terri terrible brain fart but GDP
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Jim Bobbefore. No, I definitely said and science. No, I No, you you missed the science one. I definitely got gross domestic product science or applied sciences. You didn't you got gross
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)domestic product after what's the handsome guy? Jake helped bailed you out. I said it. I did say it. You could review it. Okay. Um also, uh to respond
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)to that guy, um [ __ ] what did he say before then? H whatever about liberals are the greatest threat. Oh yeah. It's super funny to me when like uh constitutional Republicans are like also
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)let's break the constitution. It's just like you kind of got to pick one if you're an American and you love your constitution. Probably follow it and due process. It's part of your constitution unfortunately. Yeah. Got Intel Wild.
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Brian AtlasIntel Wild. Great show. Thanks Brian and Jim Bob. Appreciate it. I'll champagne pop tomorrow. That's very nice. Thank you man. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, guys. Uh
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Brian Atlaswe'll do last call if anybody wants to get one in. Final call. Final call. Give you guys a uh two or three minutes if you want to get a final one in. Going to get this wrapped here. Appreciate it. Thank you guys. Uh final things here, guys. If you do want to support the show
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SPEAKER_00coming in. One more time. Jason Castle donated $20. No, dummy. I will literally physically fight you. Let effing go. How do you guys feel about men who want to domestically assault women? You know,
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Brian Atlasbefore I answer that, I just want to say the last time you were on the show back like a year and a half ago or something, two years ago, something like that. No, it was like a year. Was it a year ago? A year and a half, I think. Year and a
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Brian Atlashalf ago. Um, she actually I saw her on the street beat up a man. So, true. You did. It had She beat up out here. Yep. What? What did he do? He spoke in
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Jim BobSpanish. I think that upset. That was it. You deserved it. Just got to say. Well, you get a lot of challenges. I challenged you on the online debate to a physical fight. Jason here is challenging you. You might have a whole YouTube channel. What's that, dude? She
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Brian Atlaslike it was like this. It was like Yeah, [ __ ] We will both match you. Why? I didn't say that though. She didn't say that word. But I'm a good girl. But he was No, it was Well, I I'm not sure to
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Brian Atlasbe honest. Why? Why? How did this happen? Just a quick summary. I I'll have to tell you after. Okay. Yeah, we I'm under an NBA. Still statute of the limitations.
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SPEAKER_00All right. Jay Nico, thank you, man. Appreciate it. 04 donated $20. missed the entire Sparkfist, I mean debate. Just wanted to show support and say glad
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Brian Atlasto see you're feeling better, Brian. Glad to see you in person, Jim. Bob, thank you. Uh, Jane, Nico, really good to see you in the chat, man. It's been a minute. Thank you. Thank you for your
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SPEAKER_00support. I donated $30. Judaism was patrineal until the time of Herod. Then they switched to matrinal scarlet monastery. Judaism of the is not the same asism.
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Brian AtlasYes, it is true. Yeah, this is a WOW reference like Armory. Mhm. Yeah. Scarlet Armory. Okay. All right. Crazy thinking I know. Wow. Thank you, Andy, bro. Appreciate it. Uh, we got this one from Realizer Network. Realizer Network donated
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SPEAKER_00$19.99. Radical Orthodoxy is just some John Milbank [ __ ] It's not orthodoxy. It's not Protestantism. It's just heresy. You give Christians a bad
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Jim Bobname. S husband. W Jim Bob. WJ Dw whatever. Thank you, man. I don't know if somebody can be a s if they're having sex with I have a really quick question
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Jim Bobabout that. Do you are you firm enough in what you call orthodox Protestantism where you debate that against another theological in general? I think I think talking about religion from a
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)theological standpoint that puts any onus spiritual leadership on you is extremely is something that you should do with extreme caution. Um, and I'm not a spiritual leader. I'm not like a pastor and I'm not ordained to. So I
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)more or less usually won't because I think Yeah. I just think it's dangerous. It's it's a theological conclusion that I've arrived at, but I would never be so Is there like a main apologist who does
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)though that you know of? Um there's a few. There's probably not one that I could like name off the top of my head right now, but there there's a few. It's started I think in like I think the 50s. Yeah. I just want to see if there's anyone so we can organize this
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SPEAKER_00destruction. Okay. Okay. Got donated $20. Jim, Bob, Andrew, Rachel, and sometimes Brian argue calmly
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SPEAKER_00and coherently. Not so erodite gets frustrated when she thinks she can't win an argument. In fact, a valid argument is not about winning. Thank you for that, Pasty George. Thank
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SPEAKER_00you. Appreciate the message. Got Hartus. Thank you. Donated $20. Erodite. If men have all of the force, why the heck should we even listen to what weak feminists have to say? What's the ought?
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)Uh because might doesn't make right and you should care about people for more than just whether or not they can beat you up to force you to listen to them. Like obviously we're not barbarians, guys. Well, let me just push back really
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Jim Bobquick. If the men listened to you, they and and they applied your policy, then might would actually make right in that instance because it would require some force to give you your advantageous
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)policy. I don't think like respecting women or like uh allowing them to like make choices for their own is like something that you need to use for So just just so we're clear, might is right when it affirms feminism. No, I've never
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)said that might makes right. Is might correct when it defends feminism? Uh sometimes there there's a lot of feminist policies that's really So you do so you do need might. It's not
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)entirely I mean I need the authority of the government. Again we can like go down this diet tribe but again for your muscles. Nope. Okay. All right. Well I think uh that's it. If there's any that come through here just in these final
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Brian Atlasseconds I'll be I'll try to get it otherwise we'll trigger it tomorrow. Uh big thank you to Jim Bob. Thank you to Kyle. Appreciate it guys. It was a very interesting uh debate. So, thank you guys for coming, guys. We we will be
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Brian Atlaslive again tomorrow, Sunday, 5:00 p. p.m. Pacific, with a dating talk episode. It's going to be kind of a super panel almost because we got Jim, Bob, we got Jay Dyer, we got Kyla. So, be sure to
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Brian Atlastune in for that. And then this coming week, I believe starting on Thursday, we have uh we got like a couple days backtoback in a row, some debates, and
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Brian Atlasthen of course our dating our regular dating talks on Sundays. the uh got Andrew Wilson in person coming. So, be sure to uh tune in for that. That should be pretty pretty cool. So, uh oh, we got
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SPEAKER_00All right, this should be the final one. Then we'll get the Christopher Murphy donated $20. Saw Andrew on Crow and he gave you a shout out as well as your podcast. I hope you on Crow in the
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Brian Atlasfuture. NSE, it's not the authority of men that drive society. It's the force doctrine. Christopher, thank you, man. I did see that he was on Crowder. I watched I think like the first hour of it, but before it went behind the payw
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)wall. Yeah, it'd be great to have Crowder on the uh That'd be cool to get Crowder on the show. Um did you want to respond to this or uh I'm just so tired of like fat [ __ ] loser men stealing valor from policemen and soldiers. It's
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Kyla (NotSoErudite)like the most boring uninteresting argument to be like we're better than women. It's like you need them too, you fat loser. Anorexic though. Is it better? I have a feeling that your super
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Brian Atlaschatters are not the uh skinny or bodacious type. Okay, just Hey, listen. I I I've actually uh sent them a a pamphlet asking them to let me their BMI
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Brian Atlasand they're actually pretty trim. They're pretty trim. The most buff audience. They're very ripped. Peak male performance is my audience. Trust me, I take it back. You know what, Christopher? You're you're a king,
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Brian Atlasactually. He He He definitely is. So, okay. All right. There it is, folks. Uh 07s 07s in the chat, guys. If you enjoyed the stream, we'll see you guys tomorrow. Good night, guys.