WORST PANEL EVER?! FERAL! Near KICKED OUT! ØF Girl "VlRGlN" Waiting For Marriage?! | Dating Talk 282

Date: 2026-02-16

Duration: 10h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMillie Slaughter >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Andrea(guest)

SPEAKER_04Valerie(guest)

SPEAKER_05Esther(guest)

SPEAKER_06Millie Slaughter(guest)

SPEAKER_09Stella(guest)

SPEAKER_11Lonnie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jocelyn(guest)

SPEAKER_14Shara(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

ControversyBrian challenges Stella's claim of being Christian while doing OnlyFans

Key MomentLonnie reveals she was sex trafficked at age 20

Key MomentAndrea: ran over baby daddy 3 times with Kia Soul while 9 months pregnant

Key MomentLexi: at 17, boyfriend cheated on her with her biological mother

Key MomentMillie made ex unknowingly perform oral after she slept with someone else

ControversyShara critiques red pill ideology as damaging fear-mongering

OtherShow wraps. Brian announces upcoming debates.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Stella (OF/virgin/Christian), Jocelyn (actress/machete survivor), Esther (stripper/author), Lonnie (sex trafficked/Army), more.

Stella's Virginity vs Christianity vs OF

Extended debate: can she be Christian while doing OnlyFans? Brian cites Bible verses.

Valentine Day Stories

Who had sex, who is celibate, dating dynamics.

Lonnie Was Sex Trafficked

Sex trafficked at age 20, had a pimp.

Andrea Ran Over Baby Daddy

Ran him over 3 times with Kia Soul while 9 months pregnant. Posted him on Backpage with gay ads.

Bri Satanist DJ Throuple

Story from vid 9 context - Bri was on this episode too.

Red Pill Ideology Critique

Shara argues red pill creates fear-mongering about fertility and aging.

Trivia Failures

Valerie: 7 states in USA. Jenny thinks capital of France is Italy.

Transcript

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Jocelyn>> Right. You guys are doubting that I can get this. But >> I don't I didn't doubt. >> If you got money, if you got clout, >> you know, that's going to attract certain women and they're going to go for you. >> Are you American? >> Yeah.

Millie Slaughter>> And you're white. Yeah. There are going to be people. Those are the kind of high value women you want then. All right. Go get you your high value chasing women. >> That's definitely high value.

Brian Atlas>> Go get your Oh my god. >> Yes. That's how I mean hold on. Let's explore what women want. Men should pay on first dates. Men should provide protect. Men should be chivalous. Not

Brian Atlasall of you circle this one. Husband and I assume even the boyfriend should be willing to die for you. So if women can have the standard that in order for us men to be with you, I'm not saying in

Brian Atlasall instances throughout the course of a romantic relationship or marriage, even if it lasts for life, that the man is going to find himself in some like I need to take the bullet for situation.

Brian AtlasBut the expectation still remains. If women can say men should uh men should protect, men should provide, men should be willing to die. How could you actually like if women say men should be

Jocelynwilling to die, how can you object to me saying a woman should be my servant? >> How could you actually object? >> I'm just saying if you're willing to die for me, sure, [ __ ] it. I'm going to do your laundry and cook for you. >> Yeah. And clean.

Brian AtlasYou said husband should be willing to die protecting me. So, I actually think that's a that's a higher calling of sacrifice. But I'm also giving birth to your children. I'm also making your

Brian Atlasapartment a home. >> Like I'm contributing to your mental, emotional well-being, >> raising your kids. >> But my objection here is the outrage over Oh my god, Brian. You want a woman

Brian Atlasto do an effortless bow and do your laundry and cook and clean for you? Y'all want men to die for you. >> I would I would bow to die for my man. >> I'll bow to you if you're going to die. Give >> me a [ __ ] bow. >> No, I ain't bowing to you. I'm going to

Brian Atlas[ __ ] balance you cuz I don't respect you guys. You turned into a black woman real quick. Johnson, she turned she turned into a black woman.

Jocelyn>> No, you got a [ __ ] second. No, ain't no way. >> You ain't doing that to me. >> She's from Houston. She has >> You're not doing that to me right now. >> She She has the card. She's from Houston.

Millie Slaughter>> She's from Houston, Texas, baby. She She got >> I know she got and she like PC. >> [ __ ] I not let her do I said [ __ ] out of here. Let her let her do what she going to do. >> I'm good. Mary, what's

Jocelyn>> I'm using my phone to call. >> Okay, that's fine. Um >> well, >> anyways, look, I'm just saying. Are you going to do a bow though? Just for >> not to you. No, not to you. I will bow

Brian Atlasto your man Asian counterpart. >> You don't have to bow to me. Oh, thank you. I'll >> lesbians. >> Period. I'm saying

Brian Atlas>> I'll follow to all you guys. Eat it up. Eat it up. I won't come back up, but I'll bow. >> Uh your your other note here. You said, "Why are we put rushing and putting so much pressure on trying to find the

Brian Atlasright person or getting involved with someone, you say, live your life, work on yourself, be happy, love will come to you." Uh Jocelyn, you are 27. >> Yes. >> Do you want to get married? >> Yes. >> Do you want to have kids? Yes.

Brian Atlas>> When would you ideally like to start having kids? How many kids do you have? >> Probably like 30, early 30. >> Okay. No. >> So, I think two things. Uh, I think women do need to be considerate of their biological clock and fertility window.

Brian AtlasAnd look, to be fair, women can get pregnant into their late 30s, even in their 40s, right? So, some people, well, once she's over 25, >> we got technology now, too. >> Yeah. But I as women do age um

Brian Atlas>> in terms of the dating market you tend women have less leverage their options uh the quality of their options decrease the number of their options tended to decrease. So women do need to be considerate of biological reality there.

Brian AtlasSo this idea that you know putting pressure love your life work on yourself be happy love will come to you. But the second component that I disagree with is do you recommend this advice to men?

Jocelyn>> I mean they don't have to worry about a biological clock. So they don't have that same >> true but well I mean it's obvious >> they don't have to like >> it's obviously >> they could be old as [ __ ] and get a young girl [ __ ] pregnant. >> They can but I mean obviously if you

Brian Atlaswant to like be there for your kids you probably know you want to have kids on the younger side even as a man. But that don't stop him from planting his seed all around. >> Yeah. Well, men can get women pregnant

Brian Atlasinto their 60s,7s, 80s, but it's probably like not ideal in terms of >> if you want to like raise the kids, have a family. Um, but I guess my question is more so in terms of do you recommend

Brian Atlasthis advice to men? Is that cuz you're you're saying uh why were we rushing, putting so much pressure, live your life, work on yourself, be happy, love will come to you. >> Yeah. My criticism here with my second

Brian Atlasquestion in terms of love will come to you. I think that can sort of apply to women. >> It can be applied to men, >> but it can't be applied to men because sometimes men settle but there well there's the pursuer pursued dynamic. So

Brian Atlaswomen you enjoy the privilege and benefit of men pursuing you. You can just sit back really and men will come to you. You can sit back, you can be passive, men will come to you. Men, for

Brian Atlasmost men, especially the average man, most men, women don't come to them. Women uh men have to be proactive when it comes to dating. Yeah. Women are very passive when it comes to dating. Uh

Brian Atlaswomen don't uh women rarely approach. They rarely shoot their shot or, you know, they shoot it far less. When they do shoot their shot, usually they're, like we talked about earlier, they're shooting out of their league. Uh they

Brian Atlastake initiative far less. They don't know how to move things forward to the same degree that men can move things forward. Even when do women do take initiative, it's token initiative. So what that would mean is we saw this on a

Brian Atlasdating app called Bumble. Uh where forced women to send the first message, but what women would do on this app, it wasn't I'm going to be proactive in the entire dating process. It was I'm going

Brian Atlasto send a me. I'm going to send a hey, and then immediately aside from that token initiative, immediately shift all the burden right back on men. So it's just completely token initiative. So

Brian Atlaseven when women do take initiative, totally token. They still expect the man like a woman will go up to a guy be like, "You want my number?" And then the the burden goes right back on the guy. The guy's got to set [ __ ] up. The guy's got to uh try to plan plan things, move

Brian Atlasthings forward. Even when girls have slid into my DMs, I'm the one who has to basically take the reins, which by the way, I'm not complaining. I I think it's great that they're even taking that initiative. I'm totally fine with a girl

Brian Atlasshooting her shot, sliding into the DMs. I'm happy to take the reigns, but women typically once they've done their token initiative, it's like here you go, back to the guy. And so we take the reigns

Brian Atlasback. We'll continue that on. And so I think this advice only applies to women because if you tell a man just sit back and don't really change anything and love will come to you. Uh that's fairy

Brian Atlastale language we can tell women, but I don't think we can tell men just sit back and a girl will come to you. Doesn't work like that. Men have to be proactive. Men have to shoot their shot. They got to approach women. The [ __ ] are you doing, lady? >> I mean, yeah, we we drop the

Jocelynhandkerchief. Y'all pick that [ __ ] up and come to us. But we we do choose, y'all. We just, you know, shoot our shot in a different way. We mentally choose. We make eye contact about our eyes. You better pick. You want me? No.

Brian Atlas>> Wait. Check this out. Look in the monitor. This is how women shoot their shot. >> That's it. And if you And if you got it, you got >> And you better not fumble. You better pick that [ __ ] up. >> Like, no. No. Watch. Watch. Imagine I'm

Millie Slaughterlike walking past somebody. This is This is how women shoot their shot. >> That's how women shoot their shot. >> I'll smack your ass. >> I mean, if you So, but would you like it? >> That's a crime. >> No, it's not. Not if you like it. >> It's consensual.

Valerie>> If you're already in the know that that's how women shoot their shot and they did that to you, you better shoot your shot. If you already know, then what the hell? >> Right. But I'm saying like this idea of just, oh, love will find you. What would you want to do?

Jocelyn>> Also, do men like it when women take that like strong initiative to >> You didn't like it when I just said I'd smack, you know? Like, do y'all like that? >> I mean, I like not >> saying that it won't happen.

Brian Atlas>> A woman a woman can approach a man in a still a feminine way. I don't think this idea that there are some like I I would honestly call them weirdo guys. Like a guy who's

Brian Atlaslike, "Oh, it's like deasculating for a woman." A woman can still like approach and it can still be done in like a very feminine sort of a way. It doesn't have to be waggy. A woman can go up to a guy

Valerieand be it doesn't have to be what the [ __ ] No, you should. >> I like the way you looking tonight. >> Yeah. Contact the vibe, the conversation. >> That's how you're going to approach

SPEAKER_03someone. >> Yeah. Her >> I'm a weirdo. Guys like it. They're like, "Oh, I like >> And people [ __ ] with that. People [ __ ] with I would I would have gave you my number. >> See, hell no. I would have been like,

Brian Atlas"What the [ __ ] is wrong with this bitch?" >> They don't know. >> Men do have to be proactive. Men have to be proactive. Like, if a guy never shoots his shot ever, >> he's probably he's probably going to die a virgin.

SPEAKER_10>> Sure. >> But a woman can never shoot her shot ever and she could like [ __ ] a thousand dudes. >> Okay. >> Totally. >> [ __ ] thousand dudes.

SPEAKER_10Think I died a virgin. >> Bro, it's so lame. >> Yeah. Do you want to actually make an argument? >> No, I'm done. >> You done? >> Yes, bro. What am I going to argue with you about this extension? What sucks?

Brian Atlas>> Huh? >> What sucks? >> Dating. >> Oh, dating sucks. >> Yes. It's just all dog [ __ ] We know this. >> I mean, you should just maybe get rid of the bangs and I think things will improve. >> I don't want to date anybody. I want my bangs.

Brian Atlas>> You already took a good step. You got rid of You want more shampoo? I don't know. you. Hey yo, you guys already liquored up. I guess >> liquored up, >> bro. What did he call me?

Millie Slaughter>> He said liquor. >> I don't know, but I think it was. >> All right. >> You said you wanted to do what to what? >> You wanted me to what?

Brian Atlas>> He said, "Look at Drea." Drea. Who's Drea? Drea. Drea. Drea. >> Jenny. Jenny. Oh my god. That's so Can't believe I just did that. That's pathetic. Uh, sorry. Sorry. It's the

Brian Atlasalcohol talking. Uh, Drea. One of the wildest was running your Oh, we talked about this. You ran your baby father over with your car when you found out he was cheating on you. You were 6 months pregnant at the time. Uh, damn. Imagine giving birth in jail.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, sorry, my bad. Nine. You're right. I messed that up. Um, you wanted to talk about uh the difference between vibes and actual compatibility

Andreaor actually >> I I was like mentioning um like in the questions like a lot well at least I like a lot of the people I know like around my day and age they all like meet off social media.

Lonnie>> So I feel like that kills a lot. >> I met my ex actually at a event an event. >> I love that for you >> and that was so lovely. Nice. >> Yeah, we had a great relationship. Shout out. >> I feel like I've never met men my age

Lonnienaturally ever. Like cuz I don't use dating apps anymore. And like I really I don't have I've never gone to college, high school. Like I lived in like a small town in the middle of nowhere and

Lonniethen it was went online cuz of co so I just knew my like boyfriend from my old high school and then after that I really don't meet men like naturally at all. Okay. >> It's just weird. >> It's all social media.

Andrea>> You said the hot take is that men are never satisfied. What about women though? Are women ever satisfied? >> I um some some women I guess like generally speaking like in this society

Brian Atlasnowadays >> word I'm not going to really >> I think people are just never satisfied. >> I think men are satisfied >> sometimes. >> I have a question. So much water and you don't have to pee. >> I've peed a couple times.

Brian Atlas>> I have a question for the panel. actually under the table connected to my >> my

Millie Slaughterpouch. >> If you had $100 in your pocket right now, >> if you had $100 in your pocket right now and you saw a dollar on the floor, would you pick it up? >> $1. >> What the [ __ ] >> My lucky $11. >> That's how people That's frustrating

Brian Atlasthough. That's serendipity right now. >> That's how people That's how compare people compare. satisfied. That frustrate frustrates me. >> What? >> Like cuz women know that I like large labia, so they'll like lie that they

Brian Atlashave a large labia. >> Leia fish like catfished and it's very disappointing. >> Why don't you check? She likes it. >> [ __ ] up. >> All right, check the labia.

Brian Atlas>> Um, speaking of Millie, we are getting to your notes. Millie, you said Oh my god, Millie. This is ridiculous. >> What? You said you you made your here in your own words. You made your ex do what?

Millie Slaughter>> Oh, >> I don't know. >> I don't know what's the story. >> Um, my ex was a piece of [ __ ] He was an [ __ ] He kept cheating on me and we

Millie Slaughterbroke up. I thought we broke up. So, I was living with him. Whatever. Long story short. Um, I [ __ ] one of my homies in the car. I went to go eat. The

Millie Slaughtermy ex called me, said he wanted to talk. I get to the house and he said he wanted to [ __ ] I told him, "Let me let me shower first. Let me shower first." He said, "No." He continued to eat my

Brian Atlas[ __ ] After he ate my [ __ ] he [ __ ] me. I asked him if it tastes good. He said, "Hell yeah." So, he is gay. Oh, >> so you >> Oh my god. Uh, in your own words, you

Millie Slaughteryou made your ex >> eat my [ __ ] and [ __ ] me after I [ __ ] somebody else. >> That's not the first time I heard that. Sorry, I'm >> That's not the first time I heard that.

Millie Slaughter>> Tastes good, too. >> But that [ __ ] is [ __ ] crazy. >> Yikes. >> He said he liked the way your other dude dick tastes, >> right? He's gay. Like, I don't know why. >> Did you tell him that? Did you? >> Yeah, I I told him when we broke up and

Millie SlaughterI found out he cheated on me again cuz I got back with him afteration. >> I got back with him after that cuz I I wasn't even going to tell him like none of that. But then he cheated on me again. And so I was like, "All right, you want to talk about doing [ __ ] Get

Valerie>> some help. >> You did this to me." So now I mean you got what's coming for you. You got what's coming for you. Yeah. You was cheating on me and I don't even know if he cheated on me and came back home. >> Right. He probably licked some bitch's

Valerie[ __ ] and came back and started kissing anyway. >> Oh, you got me [ __ ] up. You got your lick back. That's >> right. >> All right. >> You said your ex beat your ass. >> Yeah, he >> Did we talk about that already, though?

Brian Atlas>> Uh, no. >> We'll skip that. Uh, you said you got a concussion from what? >> A dick? Yeah. >> Here, say it in your own words. >> Concussion from >> No, I got a Yeah, >> just say Say it in your own words.

Millie Slaughter>> I got a I got a concussion from some big old dick. Like so you >> he smacked you with it or like >> got smacked in the face. >> Okay. So like Yeah. Well, yeah. Basically, we were we were [ __ ] And

Millie SlaughterI'm freaky. I'm a freaky [ __ ] And so I was suck I was sucking them off and then he pulled it he pulled it like I pulled it out and of my mouth and I like

Millie Slaughtersmacked it on my head and but I didn't think it was going to be that heavy cuz it wasn't that heavy in my hand. >> You smacked it on your foot. >> What? It was ready to shoot. >> It's just like the bow thing. It's just like the bow thing. It's like, "Oh, yeah." It's just like the

Millie Slaughter>> It's like grabbing his microphone and popping you in the head. >> Yeah. Like it's like he's like, "You like that bitch?" And I'm like, "Yeah." But it was like

Millie Slaughtersmacking on your face and [ __ ] you feel me? Like smacking all over. He was a thick. >> You never You never smacked your [ __ ] on a female's head. Oh my god. >> He never gave anyone a concussion.

AndreaOn the mold. I have never had that happen to me. Really? I want to try it now. >> Like a magic wand. >> There's no way. Sorry. There's not

Millie Slaughter>> I don't care how big the dick is. There's no way a dick causes a concussion. >> You ain't never seen no dick like that. I swear you just ain't got that kind of dick. >> I swear it because I I was like I it was hitting me a lot of times.

SPEAKER_03>> Does not have enough mass. Never there's some big massful dicks out there. There really is. I know there's big dicks out there, but maybe not yours.

Valerie>> That sounded super gay. [ __ ] I'm telling you, it was a big If you think about it, that should be like an extra arm. So, if you getting slapped by an arm, you >> No, it was the size of my man's dick.

Millie SlaughterLiterally, he'd be like >> some crazy. And he was a little Mexican boy, so I didn't think it was going to hit me like that. >> Like, and he was like I want to say he's like 61, 6'2, big old

Millie Slaughter>> dick. I should have hit you in the temple. >> Uh, you had a threesome with another girl that turned into a cuck situation. >> Yeah. >> A what? >> Like two dicks. One girl. >> Threesome with another girl. >> So I had a threesome. It was me, the

Millie Slaughtergirl, and the guy. >> And then he ended up just I I talked about this on the house and bads podcast, but basically >> my home girl, I wanted to see her. I

Millie Slaughtermissed her. So we went out to Miami. She flew me her man flew me out to Miami and we ate, hung out. Whatever. Whatever. It was cool. >> Her man flew you out to Miami. Yeah. So, you were joining a couple.

Millie Slaughter>> Yeah. Well, but I I thought of it as like, oh, like I was going to see my best friend cuz I haven't seen her in a minute. So, we went out to Miami and it was chill. We were we were vibing. Everything was cool. And then we went

Millie Slaughterback to the to the hotel and I was like, "Oh, I'm going to go back to my hotel." Cuz he paid for the hotels, too. And he's like, "Oh, just come with us." And I was like, "Oh, I might get to [ __ ] my best friend finally." You know? Oh, you was plotting on that [ __ ]

Millie Slaughter>> I've been. >> So, we went and then >> it was pending. >> Yeah, it was pending. Uh, but we went I was eating her [ __ ] and I was [ __ ]

Millie Slaughteron her and then he was watching and then he asked me to do something pretty crazy and I did it and I felt like [ __ ] >> What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it?

Valerie>> What was it? I talked about this on on our our podcast, The House and Bass, but I don't know if >> Oh, you trying to wreck you trying to wreck people to see what it was. >> Yeah, you might want to look on there. >> That's crazy >> because I haven't talked about it since.

Millie SlaughterI'm not going to lie. I haven't talked about it since cuz they was making me feel weird about it. But yeah, I This is safe space. >> Safe space here. >> I uh

Millie Slaughter>> Oh my god. >> Okay. I um her she asked Okay. He asked her to ask me and she asked me and I did it. I I took I shot on her chest.

Jocelyn>> Shot. >> Isn't it Isn't there a turn? Oh my gosh. There's a lot. So >> that's crazy. >> Dubai potty. Something like that. There's something like that. There's a It was like a big [ __ ] or like a D. >> Did you get paid?

Millie Slaughter>> Did you get paid for this though? >> I did it for her. I did it for her. She was a fetish. No, I'm validating you, girl. Look >> that exists out there. I did it for I got off right away.

Millie SlaughterI'm getting [ __ ] paid. >> Okay, look. Look. I got off right away after it happened and it was only a little dingleberry and I got off right after it happened. >> Little Hershey kiss >> and then Hershey kiss. You know damn well you're not [ __ ]

Millie Slaughteron nobody's chest. >> No, I'm not because I can't poop on command. >> Girl, >> I had to wait there for a minute. It wasn't like it was like on point like No. And >> that's why it was only a little bit. >> No. Yeah, it was just a little bit cuz I was like, you know, you know, went back

Millie Slaughterin and then I went back to my hotel. I fell asleep. >> I didn't see them for two days cuz I just didn't feel right. And then I went back home and then >> Is that it?

Millie Slaughter>> No. When I went back home, >> when I went back home, she had to ask me if I was okay from the whole experience and whatever. I told her, "Yeah, like we're good." good. Like I it's it's not

Valeriesomething I would want to do again, but like you know, we're good. And then she sent me some money. So yeah. >> Oh, so how much money? You try something, you got a little cash. >> How much money though? Because you know they they'll they'll take you out a

Jocelynstate and they'll pay you like thousands of dollars. Dubai potty. That's there's people out there that will pay hell of money.

Valerie>> Y take those shitty girl. All right, >> girl. You better take your shitty booty ass to Dubai, right? >> That money

Brian Atlas>> get that paper. >> I might have to [ __ ] >> She literally >> Okay, so uh All right. I'm trying to just like rush through as just cuz, you know, we're in the tail end here of the show. I'm just trying to blast through

Brian Atlaseverything as quick as possible. Uh I want to try to get through everybody's notes. There's not too much left. You had a guy moan in your ear like a woman. >> That's my ex-boyfriend. >> Demonstrate. I don't need a [ __ ]

Jocelynthree minute story. That's >> Oh, [ __ ] I love you. >> That sounds like [ __ ] Elmo actually. Reaction. Go ahead. I love it. I like when guys went.

Brian Atlas>> [ __ ] >> Guys, let me try to move it move through these quick if possible. Um, >> yeah. So, I mean, maybe it sounded weird. It's weird for the guy or whatever, but >> I think it's uh Don't women not like it if the guy is completely silent? That's

Andreaalso a >> terone. is weird. >> Like I don't like it. I don't like it. Not like that. But there's a difference between like a sexy moan and >> Sure. That's true. That's fair. That's fair. >> Don't moan. Yeah. Don't moan like a little [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> Uh feral single mom, not well trained. What do you mean by that? That's You describe yourself as a as that. >> What did you say? Oh, that's my Instagram. Yeah. Uh feral. Yeah, I'm a feral single mom. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I'm feral. I'm outside. >> I'm outside. I'm out here >> streets. >> I'm running. I'm not walking. I'm running. I'm actually on the sidewalk, too. >> Esther, you said you don't date a lot, but you've definitely had a few wild

Estherexperiences. What's like the number one most wild? >> I've had some crazy I don't know. Okay, so one guy >> if you can like just the >> bare bones. >> One guy that I used to date, he was like

Estheralso kind of my sugar daddy, but he was my boyfriend. He was the same age as me, but anyways, he's passed away, so RIP. But um he took me on a date like at this crazy place at this like billionaire's

Estherhouse that was his neighbor. The billionaire was trying to get at me and then he would have like these parties blah blah blah blah blah. Thank god I was dating this guy so I couldn't go for the billionaire dude. And that dude

Estherended up getting arrested. But yeah, it was crazy. >> Did he? >> You talking about Did he? >> No, but similar similar vibes. >> Yeah, he was crazy. I didn't get snatched though. You said you uh you

Brian Atlasthink you could be considered slightly cutthroat to men because you cut it off right as the BS begins. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Nothing to add to that. Uh you wrote you wrote a book. >> Oh, yeah. I wrote Well, it's not like super long, but

Brian Atlas>> it's a short book. >> It's about manifestation >> and healing, money, success. >> Yeah. >> Can I ask you a question? If my arm gets chopped off, can I manifest it growing back? >> We'll see. Read my book.

Brian AtlasIs that just kidding? >> Did you actually claim that you can? >> But there's some good methods in there. There's some really good methods. I don't know if it could regenerate your arm though. >> But do you believe like so through manifestation you can heal

Brian Atlas>> like physical ailments? >> Possibly. Yeah. >> Yeah. What about cancer? >> I don't know. >> There is some in >> should children who have cancer should they manifest or should they take chemo?

Esther>> They should pray. They should take chemo. They should pray. They should manifest. Everybody should pray over them. I think that there's power and energy. So >> power and energy for sure. >> Like energy is the real existent thing. I don't know. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> You know, if it could heal some crazy things, but I know when you put it towards a go source. >> I'm not going to linger on it long, but I think manifestation is [ __ ] and fake news. And >> no, that's just real. No, I get it. I get it. >> You probably ain't manifest right cuz

Brian Atlasit's my book. >> Yeah, you probably ain't manifest right. >> Cuz in the back of your head, you're doubting it. No, I just believe that uh I think look for some people luck is

Brian Atlasinvolved in certain things but my philosophy is uh you don't sit around and think positive thoughts and hope that the universe delivers. >> Obviously you have to take action. Yeah. >> You don't you don't sit around hoping

Brian Atlasthe universe delivers good things to you. You work hard. You have a purpose. You try to be smart. You try to be intelligent. You take steps towards goals. Not I'm going to sit back and manifest and

Valerie>> I'm going to send it to you for part of manifestation. >> I'll pee on it probably. Um >> that's part of manifestation though is taking the step forward to still do the things you have to do but still >> there's steps behind it that I talk

Brian Atlasabout in my book that >> is why manifestation is possibly not working. >> The other thing I don't like about manifestation is it it it makes it people who work hard it downplays hard work. It downplays like

Estheroh >> a lot of successful people say they used it actually >> because even if it doesn't physically bring things into your reality. Let's say you don't believe in the magic aspect of it. It's bringing things

Esther>> like not magic but you know what I mean like the supernatural of it manifest. >> It's bringing your mind into a space that is going to be more accepting of things that >> can you manifest anyone to fall in love with you? >> Mhm.

Esther>> I don't know. Yeah. >> Can you manifest love? >> I think you can. Yeah. >> Can you pick a particular person? >> I I think you could manifest things for yourself. >> You might try as far as specific person,

Estherbut it's not actually who is the best for you. So, you might actually manifest in somebody even better than you imagined. >> But could it could you manifest a specific person falling in love with you?

Brian Atlas>> Um, you could probably do it, but when you mess with people's free will, that's when things get weird. So, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, >> you'll attract very dark things. >> Yeah, good point. Okay. Um, Stella,

Brian Atlaslet's see here. Uh, we talked about you being a sugar mommy, you being a virgin, you being on OF, you waiting for marriage. >> Um, you I think actually we did all your

Brian Atlasnotes. >> Scarlet was the no-show. We have there's nothing left for me here, which is you. Do you have a kid? >> Oh, it's like a niece. I saw >> that's my little brother. >> Little bro. Okay. You're 22. You're a stripper. You're a Christian. You've

Brian Atlasbeen single for four years. Independent since you was 18. Oh, Mary, we do have a video from her. I'm curious what happened leading up to this video

Brian Atlaswhere you are. Well, I'll just let the video speak for itself. I'm just curious. >> You have it, Mary. >> This one? >> Yeah. Play it. >> I'm just an emo child. What can I say?

Brian Atlas>> That's hot. >> That was me right before going to sleep. Um, that's you with all your piercings before. >> Um, what happened? You were It looked like you were like crying or something. >> No, that's just my face. >> You're tired. >> You remind me a lot of my niece.

Brian Atlas>> Really? >> Wow. So relevant. So >> um, who here's on SSRIs? >> SSRI. I used to >> anti-depressants. Anybody? No.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, oh, okay. Uh, let me scroll up to the top here. I think we have maybe one more person. Uh, we did everything from

Brian AtlasJocelyn. We did hers. Um, ah, you okay. Uh, you said we won't be able to hit everything, but dating after toxic relationship plus wild first

Sharadates. Why don't you tell us your wildest first date? >> Me? >> Yeah. >> Uh, >> um, I'm boring if you haven't noticed. So, >> you said you had wild first dates. I've

Sharanever said I had a wild first date. I said I had a wild um ex. >> Yes, I have a wild ex that I have children with. >> He's wild, but I don't I don't have a

Brian Atlaswild first date. No, I don't. >> Oh, hold on. Let me just double check this.

Brian Atlas>> One sec. One sec. One sec. One sec. Uh, wait. You sure? I'm pretty sure >> you didn't write that. Sorry.

Brian Atlas>> Uh >> yeah, look here. >> Yes. Dating after toxic relationship plus wild first dates. >> Do I have a wild first date? I'll skip them.

Shara>> Uh you dating as a single mom. Quick thoughts on that. Uh definitely either find somebody who's

Sharaunderstanding like that has you know um a kid uh or um you know it just it it all depends on how you vibe with that person I guess.

SharaUm it wasn't you know thankfully grateful like uh thankfully it was not difficult super difficult for me but um >> you said you believe red pill or black

Brian Atlaspill ideology when it comes to dating ideals is more damaging than it is positive and if anything discourages men

Sharato date women as the average man can't obtain a 19 or 18-year-old 1010 virgin. >> Yes, I agree with that. I think that overall, you know, there are some

Sharaaspects of this message that can be positive for a man, like I guess a positive male space, quote unquote, working uh, you know, having respect for yourself as a man and everything, but

Sharaoverall sometimes the message is sort of missing. Uh, I think that it's about growing together with somebody, finding somebody that is your equal and being able to work with them and not always

Sharasaying that we're cooked. you know, we have to all ascend together and and work together. Um, and uh, yeah, I mean, I actually like a lot of the commentators

Sharain this space actually. So, um, but, uh, sometimes the the message can kind of get lost, but I think that women need to hear certain things and men need to hear

Sharacertain things. And after listening to everything that you were saying tonight, um, I found that I agreed with you on a lot of things. But yeah. >> Okay. You said the whole ideology is very misleading and seems more like a

Sharacash grab. Are you talking about like are you talking about me talking about other people? I'm not offended if you are by the way. >> No, not at all. Um I think sometimes it can be. I just I think for like you know

Sharalike the sake of sake of clip farming and um you know trying to get that um you know rage bait going on. >> So wait, you are talking about me. >> Are you talking about me? Like don't

Sharapull your punches. Like you're here like you can talk to me. No. Um, I mean, this is your this is your space, you know. I I don't know how badly I

Sharawant to come into it. I mean, you have a huge fan base. I'm just a regular person, you know. >> But, okay. If you disagree, if there's things you disagree on, I'm not >> like, >> don't be shy. >> Yeah. I mean, don't be shy. Voice it a girl. This >> is your opportunity. >> Voice it.

Shara>> Yeah. >> Like, don't say that [ __ ] after the show. Like, >> [ __ ] it on the show. Say it in my face. >> Yeah. Tell them all. No. I I uh like I said, I think that overall, you know,

Sharathe space can be damaging. Yes, it can be with some of the messages that you have >> such as

Shara>> um such as, you know, stating stating that um you know that men are putting in more of an effort um all the

Sharatime. Um kind of speaking more from like a personal experience sometimes. I don't know if it is personal experience or if you're just saying it just like I said just to kind of get things going. But >> So, okay. Men putting more more effort

Brian Atlasin. Do you think you think that's incorrect? Do you think women put in more effort? >> Um, I think that >> it depends. It depends on the person. >> Okay. But how would how would that be

Sharadamaging? Well, so when I when I'm talking about damaging, the message can be damaging of, hey men, you need to make x amount

Sharaof money and then become stable and then be able to select somebody because I think that it's about growing together, having commonalities. I think that

Sharapeople will probably be more successful long term if they're dating at like a smaller age gap as opposed to, you know, um having that ideology of you're going to build this wealth, you're going to

Sharahave all this money, you're going to accumulate all this power, and then you're going to be able to have, you know, this woman with this giant age gap um and everything's going to be great, everything's going to be fine, and she's just going to love you just for who you

Sharaare. It's just, it doesn't make sense. there's just no commonalities. And I think that, you know, the idea of people of of women, you know, obviously women

Sharabeing more um kind of coming back to like not being subservient necessarily, but I think that men need to be um not as um I don't

Brian Atlasknow. I'm sorry, I lost my train of thought. Not that men need to. Are you saying women uh the expectation that women be more subservient, submissive, whatever? Uh that men >> I think that that's helpful, but I also

Sharathink that um there's kind of like there's like a war being waged right now between genders, and I think that it's more damaging than it is good. >> Agreed. >> Uh well, yeah, but that that war was

Sharastarted by feminists. >> Not necessarily. >> What do you mean not necessarily? Well, I mean, if you look back historically,

Sharaif you look at like when feminisms kind of like came in too, um, a lot of men were in power, you know. >> Do you want men in power?

Shara>> I think in certain areas men are useful to be in power. Yes. Yes. And I think in other >> areas women in power um are useful. I

Brian Atlasthink I think like I said, it's synergistic. It's energetic. So, I mean, you do realize though, we're sort of getting into an apex fallacy. Uh, 99% of

Brian Atlasmen had no power. Uh, so there were some men at the very top. I would say it has to more to do with, uh, class, wealth,

Brian Atlasuh, power, uh, like existing power than it has to do necessarily with gender. Um, but I I don't understand.

SharaSo, the gender war was started by men. >> I wouldn't want to say that, but I'm saying that I think that you agree. >> No, I just think she's doing [ __ ] great. I'm just like,

Shara>> go ahead. Continue your point. >> I think that um men were historically in power and that there was >> small proportions of men were in power. Let's caveat that.

SharaSo historically men have been in power and there have been >> small percentage of men but okay. >> Okay. >> So >> well you'd agree that 100% of like the

Stellamajority of men did not have power. >> I think it's like your like sports comparison where you took like a very few amount of men in the whole world who play sports and you took that and you used it to be like all men. But I

Brian Atlasunderstand what you're saying. How would that that what again completely incoherent? Um if anything the example I provided where it wasn't even comparing like for like it was comparing high

Brian Atlasschool boys to elite female Olympians. The real comparison which would be even more damning would be male Olympians versus female Olympians. Women aren't even I don't understand. Oh, you're

Brian Atlascherrypicking Brian. No, I'm actually we're we're basically giving women a um what's the word for it? We are giving women a uh what's the term where you give that like in golf where you get a

Brian Atlashandicap. >> Uh you literally giving women a handicap if you we did the comparison of high school boys to Olympic Olympian. >> We're just taking like small scales and

Stellayou're taking like our top leadership. But I guess in general, um I think she's talking more in a broad sense and even maybe in CEO positions and like going down to like smaller

Brian Atlasscales other than government. >> Um >> yeah, but that's really small proportion of men >> that do have the CEO jobs out of all the jobs that are out there. Um, while it is

Brian Atlastrue that there are more like male CEOs, more males who have like high prestige jobs, this is kind of ignoring the fact that men also occupy like the >> 99% like the worst jobs, 99% of those

Brian Atlasjobs are men. >> There's a workplace fatality gap. There's a workplace injury gap. Men are more likely to be injured on the job. They're more likely to die on the job. they're more likely to do dirty, dangerous work uh that women are just

Brian Atlaseither physically incapable of doing or that they are uh they don't have a a interest in doing. Uh men occupy

Brian Atlastypically uh you know what, Mary, can you pull up uh my personal ex? Uh we're going to scroll down. >> How many exes? >> This is the same Asian girl. >> How many exes you have? >> This the AI girl. >> I'm talking about like Twitter. talking

Stellaabout. >> I wanted to know it as like a statistical thing just to clear things up, but I personally don't mind men taking on the hands-on jobs and I don't mind women taking on the like more

Stelladainty jobs. That's just me personally. Um, so I have no issues with that. Like I I see your view there. >> Yeah. But I I mean I don't think that

Brian Atlasthat's I I don't understand. So men, your position is that uh men started the gender war because men >> No, I don't I I I did not state that

Stella>> that was the topic at hand and then you brought up >> I'm just here to talk about I just wanted to mention like just statisticwise >> I thought maybe there could be some

Stellaclarification on your case study because I think there was a bigger you were like really categorizing and I just wanted to broaden it just for the conversation. Okay. >> I don't think men started the gender war. >> Um

Stella>> I I think it's kind of like a mutual, but I do think men should >> men should be more manly nowadays. >> Uh I think that we've gone into >> What should women be? Should they be sex workers?

Stella>> No. >> Uh that's a pretty small part. I think >> it's okay to >> It's not being a lady. Being a sex worker is not being a lady. >> I act like a lady in every aspect of my life. You're not a lady.

Stella>> That's your opinion. >> Sexual. It's not my opinion. It's fact. >> There you go. >> You are not. >> Oh, God. I'm a big dog. >> All right. [ __ ] weirdo. Look, you're not you're notically how

Brian Atlasmany how many girls are waiting till marriage and go home early and cook and clean >> here? How can I I'm wondering what would be sort of the mirror opposite here.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, the guy he's a provider. He's He's a protector, but he uh >> sells his dick. >> Shut up. >> He >> They do that. >> Yeah, my homie does that.

Brian Atlas>> I don't want anybody complaining about how late we're going. Like, you guys have interrupted me a hundred times tonight. You guys quit. You [ __ ] talk about all this [ __ ] We're in the tail end here. Let me try to move things

Brian Atlasalong a little bit. Um, okay. So, where was I? This is why we tell you guys not to like interrupt. Um, maybe the mirror image for a guy would

Brian Atlasbe he he pro he provides, he protects, but he's like super feminine. >> Would you be cool with that? >> Oh my god. My >> I don't think those could colline. You're contradicting yourself. >> How would it be contradictory? He could

Stellahis demeanor could be very feminine. You might even suspect he's gay, but let's just assume he's >> But that don't work. That don't work. >> Yeah, for me it does. >> I think it just contradicts itself because I wouldn't see that as a a man.

Brian AtlasAnd I just wouldn't find that as a provider. >> What What does it mean to be a lady? Like if you can be a sex worker and a lady. So you can >> those don't go together. >> I acknowledge that you can have the

Brian Atlasother traits of being a lady. So you can be >> but there seems to be this glaring like red flag where it's basically like uh pay attention to this. like this in and

Brian Atlasof itself is a disqualifying thing from being categorized or labeled as a lady. It's like, yeah, maybe you're making it up, making up for it in these other

Brian Atlasways, but uh let's see, you post your butthole, you post your [ __ ] uh you do dick ratings, like this is not becoming that's not becoming behavior of a woman.

StellaIt's not virtuous, it's not Christian, it's not trad, it's not any of that stuff that you claim you are. >> Okay. Um, I see your view. I still consider myself a traditional girl because I follow all those values in my

Brian Atlasdaily life. >> H, you still consider yourself. And we already went over this a million times. I don't know how else to say it. I'm trying to think of like a a smoking.

Stella>> You don't have to change my opinion. We can just end on like, hey, you're cool. I'm cool. Different views. I know myself better than you know me, and that's okay.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, I suppose. But in any case, it's just completely incompatible with trad or Christianity. I mean, uh, it would be like I mean, I I don't know. Actually, at this point, I don't even

Brian Atlasknow how else to explain it. Do you want to continue on with your points? >> I'm fine. I think I'm good. >> Okay. Well, I mean, I I would have liked to have

Brian Atlasheard a little more in terms of the uh you think that essentially, look, you're basically being a coward here at this point. You wanted to come on and confront me. You said >> I never said I wanted to confront you.

SharaWhat did I say I wanted to confront you? I'm not being a coward. My >> ideology is very misleading. >> I could be nervous. I could be. I've never done this. >> Oh my god, this is your one opportunity. You're on the podcast now. Let's just go through the disagreements. >> Sure. Uh, you said you believe red pill

Brian Atlasor black pill ideology when it comes to dating ideals. You said I you've said I've said certain things throughout the show that you maybe disagree with, some you agree with. Um, you said it's

Sharamisleading. So, what what exactly about what I'm espousing is misleading? I think that you're conflating personal

Sharaexperiences to what really the kind of interchanging of a relationship is with a man and a woman like speaking from

Sharalike a heterosexual lens. >> Are you talking about my own experiences with dating? >> Yes. It seems that sometimes when you kind of get into your you know like

Brian Atlasrants it it sounds like it's personal. Tell me, well, I don't see how that'd be relevant, but tell me what is incorrect about what I'm saying. >> Um,

Sharathat um

Shara>> what are you saying that maybe could be the way that you're framing it? I think the way you're framing it, >> it could be framed in a much more like

Sharapositive way where women and men would want to get together and actually listen as opposed to fighting with each other and and you know these men coming on

Brian Atlashere saying you know we're [ __ ] and you know we're ugly and all those things they seem like angry men. >> So the super chatters I'm not here to defend what people are saying in the

Sharasuper chats. I can defend what I say though. So tell me what I say that you think is objectionable. >> Um in this particular podcast

Brian Atlaslike what we've gone through um what have you said >> or it could be something you you saw in a different episode or a clip. I'm happy

Valerieto explore any of anything I said tonight or elsewhere. >> What are you against that he's mentioned so far? Yeah, just think

Shara>> I've talked a lot tonight. >> What What do you disagree with? >> There's got to be object to >> like I said, it's kind of more of the me. It's more of like the way that the

Sharamessaging is being wrapped >> tone police. I mean, that's incredibly >> Do you feel like he's devaluing women in a certain way? >> Yeah. I mean, yeah, you could say that. I think he's it possibly because I'm

Sharasure that your you know, your fan base is younger. They might. >> Actually, that's not true. >> Okay. >> The majority of my audience is like 25 to like 44. >> Okay. So, men or women?

Brian Atlas>> Mainly mainly men or women. >> Mainly men, but actually like women in the chat. Like there's a lot of women who watch the show. >> Yeah, I've seen it. There's been a few. >> Yeah, there's women. Send in some [ __ ] super chats. Women.

Shara>> Prove that you're real. Okay. Do you want to continue with like what else? I guess what do you disagree with? Uh, like I said, the messaging of it all could be a little more

Shara>> super vague, but the messaging of it all. So, that's a tone police. Um, >> I it's it's your podcast. It's the way you make money. I mean, and you're doing very well. So, I mean I mean I

Brian Atlas>> I'm looking for a concrete. Brian, you believe this. You said this. I disagree with that. I mean, it's very, you know, the message. I have an issue with the messaging. What messaging in particular?

Brian AtlasI'm I'm looking for specificity. Um, but also I would just say uh this idea that we're going to we're gonna win the culture at least if I'm going to convince people of my worldview, right?

Brian Atlas>> Uh, and this this applies to Christians, too. Oh, we're just going to we're going to be really nice to everybody and that's going to win people over to our side.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, no. No. You need to completely demolish the opposing worldview and then maybe you can build up a new worldview. But this this empathy, this let's just

Brian Atlasbe let's just all be nice. It's like no, you have to absolutely crush the opposing worldview. That's the only way you're going to do it. You're not going to win hearts and minds by just let's just do uh be let's just uh be really

Sharanice and sweet saying that. >> Okay. So, what's your objection? >> Um like it just it being it being built like around like anger and like you know

Brian Atlasfear-mongering with what is okay. What? But what specifically? What's specifically? What is specifically what is the fearongering that I am doing? >> It's 3:00 in the morning, so I don't know if I can really think of some exciting. >> Okay. Well, you're an hour late, so I don't know what to tell you. We started

Brian Atlaslate because everyone was late. >> And I mean, do you want an energy drink? >> I'm fine. >> Okay. So, give me I'm not looking for like a bullet a ton of things. I'm just looking even just give me one thing.

SharaWhat is the fear-mongering that I'm doing? What am I fear-mongering on? >> That's just a small example. I mean, the fear-mongering of, you know, not being able to find a partner in time to have kids if you're messing around and all

Brian Atlasthat. I don't think that that's necessarily accurate. >> Wait, you you mean when I talked when I talked about how women do have to a degree of biological clock? >> I think men and women do as well. Men

Sharaand women both have that um responsibility because like you said, if you want to be a present father, you can't just be this aging man, you know, you're going to have to be present. So, I think they're both

Shara>> How's that fear-mongering though? >> Well, fear fear-mongering women, you know, saying like, "Hey, like, you know, you need to settle down ASAP. You need to have, you know, x amount of kids and everything." I mean, I think And also >> say that, but >> Well, that's the general red pill

Brian Atlasmindset, right? >> Well, the I mean, it's not just it's not just like conjecture. It's not just opinion. Women do have a limited

Brian Atlasfertility window. After 25, fertility starts decreasing. Already granted though, women can get pregnant in their late 30s and their 40s, but like ideally for women, I the best time to get

Brian Atlaspregnant and start a family and have kids is going to be I mean, you can do it on the younger side, but like realistically in the current cultural, social zeitgeist, like mid20s

Brian Atlasto mid like mid30s, that's probably the ideal age range, 25 to 35 for women to get married, have a family, start having kids. Can women have children later?

Brian AtlasYes. But in terms of like what's optimal, I think that that's what's optimal. And it's fertility does. It's not just red pill [ __ ] You can

Brian Atlaslook at like you can look at studies done on female women's fertility. It decreases over time. Do you dispute that? >> Uh no. No, I don't. I don't dispute. So why would it be fear-mongering then if

SharaI'm just essentially >> I think it could possibly you know give the wrong like I said the wrong message to some kind of to women that may be susceptible to being influenced that way. >> I actually think it's wait hold on I

Brian Atlasthink it's actually worse to put out messaging to society. No women be career boss babes. Wait until you're 35 to have kids. I think even if you have objections to my message I think my

Brian Atlasmessage is superior. Women, you should have kid. You should try to lock down a guy in your early to mid 20s. Try to have kids starting around 25, sometime between 25 to to 30. Start having kids

Brian Atlasthen. >> I think that's a better message than no career first women. Focus on your career and uh let's be anti-natalist. And that's way worse messaging than whatever I'm proposing.

Brian Atlas>> Why? >> Huh? Why is it a worse message to send out >> to I mean assuming women look some women are not called to being mothers that's

Brian Atlasokay not everybody wants to be a mom or is called for that but uh yeah I think delaying family delaying pregnancy

Valeriedelaying children until you're like early mid late 30s is like pretty >> but some women want to focus on their

Valeriecareer path first and then invite the idea a of having children possibly maybe in their 30s and if they can't conceive and then they can't oh who [ __ ] will.

Valerie>> Uh but I'm saying basically have a population collapse and >> what is what is wrong with women making that decision for themselves though that they want to focus on their career first in their 20s and then maybe get pregnant

Millie Slaughterlater in their 30s. >> And some people want to like focus on their marriage too. A lot of people like jump into it, get pregnant, have kids. I mean, I know I did it. So, a lot of people think that they're taking the

Millie Slaughterright steps. And even when you take the right steps, you it doesn't end up working anyway. So, I definitely think that if I if I could tell my daughter something, it would definitely be to

Millie Slaughterwait until you are ready. Whether it be at 25, 35, 45, wait until you're ready. >> Geriatric pregnancy. >> Yeah. >> But they still get pregnant. >> Yeah. But it's way harder the chance of

Brian Atlasyou getting pregnant. And you can adopt, too. If you can't get pregnant, adopt. Simple as that. >> If the woman wants kids, and then she's basically been fed propaganda her entire life. No, be a boss babe. Go to college.

Brian AtlasFocus on your career. Chase money. Chase money. Chase material. Chase material. And then she's 35 and she's like, oo, >> yeah. A lot of women fall. >> Unless look, women can still find, you

Brian Atlasknow, can still work at that age. But actually, I I saw a study recently. Uh, if a woman has not had a child by 30, haha, real funny, join, if a woman has not had a I think it's is it married or

Brian Atlashave children? If a woman has not had a child by 30, uh, the likelihood of ever having a child is like just [ __ ] tanks. >> I got eight more years and I'm good. >> Thank you for that contribution.

Lonnie>> Yeah, I know. >> Uh, so it's not a trap. >> Yes, I understand it's a choice. >> What you want to do? >> I understand it's a choice. double income, no kids. Who ready? >> Yeah, you can be.

Brian Atlas>> All right, great. I mean, uh, ultimately though, if you are a woman and you do want a family and you do want to have kids, uh, I think, look, I'm not saying you have to complete you you can still

Brian Atlasgo to college, you can still be a like n well, I don't know if I want to go that far. I mean, also just because I think for a lot of people, college is a bit of

Brian Atlasa scam. But I do think that you can you can be intentional about both in the sense that, okay, well, I'm going to go to college, but maybe I'll try to find a

Brian Atlasguy in college. And, you know, you can I I don't think it's a good idea to tell women, put off family and children into your 30s. That's I think that that's bad. I think that's bad.

Brian Atlas>> But why? You're not saying why. I ain't giving birth. You're You're making a statement, but you're not giving a reason. >> Sure. I'll give I'll give a couple reasons. Well, one, once you've delayed uh family and pregnancy at that point,

Brian Atlasuh typically I think well, in terms of maximizing your partner as a woman, women have the most leverage when they're younger. So, when I say younger, I mean uh between the age of say 20 25, that's when a woman has the most

Brian Atlasleverage to find the best man. as you start getting into your 30s and older uh it becomes >> okay that's one reason you've stated multiple times that's like one reason that everyone knows

Brian Atlas>> yeah sure fertility so women's fertility decline so some women can find that it becomes very chance of miscarriage is higher >> a lot of women know that already this let's figure out something else

Valerie>> I don't that is besides that you were asking me for reasons I gave you a reason >> that's one that everyone everyone is already aware of that reason

Brian AtlasEveryone is already aware of that reason. So give us another reason that you think women are probably not aware. >> That's not true. There's plenty of women who are not aware of like the fact they're

Valerie>> most women are aware as when they get older there's a less likely chance of them getting pregnant. Most women know that. >> Yeah. I mean I don't see why I need to list like a dozen reasons. I think >> I'm not asking you to list a dozen

Brian Atlasreasons. I'm asking you to list more reasons than that one because a lot of women already know that. I think I already gave you three. I mean, perhaps the the final one would be uh typically I'm not saying hey at 18 go get

Brian Atlaspregnant. Although I assuming you're with the right guy, I don't actually have a problem with it. But uh I do think that if you have children on the earlier side, you will have the most uh

Brian Atlasthat's probably like the healthiest for the kid. It's healthiest for the baby. Uh you're you know, also for the man too. uh it's not quite as pronounced, but the sperm quality is better when men

Valerieare a bit younger. Um it it declines pretty slowly, so it's not >> I mean, as far as like lifestylewise, I mean, as far as lifestyle wise, I understand you saying like as you get older, you know, you you pro your bones

Valerieare probably going to hurt. You'll probably won't be able to play with your child as much. I understand that part. >> I've given you set like seven reasons at this point. >> You have not given us seven reasons. You gave us three pretty much three reasons. Well, >> why would it need to be Why would I need

Valerieto give you 10 reasons for it to be pregnant? >> Because it's because you're telling us that women shouldn't be getting pregnant in their 30s. They should be focusing on getting possibly focusing on getting pregnant during their 20s because

Valeriethey're more likely to get pregnant in their 20s. But why are you so against women getting pregnant possibly in their 30s or over? Why is that an issue? >> Not that I'm against it. I'm just saying

Valeriewhat is most optimal. I'm having a conversation. what's most optimal for the sake of the children. >> Okay. Cuz I was just feeling like you were super against women like getting pregnant in their 30s or 40s. So that's

Jocelynhow I was. It's just prime time. Prime time is in your mid20s. But if it worked out like that, cool. If it didn't work out like that, then you're going to get pregnant later. >> Yeah. >> Like prime time is Yeah. You Elvis is hot during this time.

Lonnie>> I'm pretty sure it's mostly about money. Like most young people, like girls in their 20s and even guys, like we don't got the money to be like having a kid. Like I've literally told like my family that I probably won't have kids because

LonnieI would prefer to be a young mother and I'm already like kind of past that window. So I think I'm I'm okay with just when I find my partner, we you know double income, travel the world together. I'm okay with that because I

Lonniedon't want to be like a parent that has my kid when I'm like 30, 40, and then I'm trying to raise them when I'm like 50 and like that's too much. >> Yeah. Also, just take care of your health. Take care of your health. Right. >> You could be 50 60 healthy as [ __ ] and

Brian Atlasracist somebody >> from topics. You also for you uh agism. You mentioned something about agism. What's that? >> Um I think what I had mentioned is that

Sharakind of some of the messaging here is that um as women get older, they essentially are less attractive or expire or don't have as many opportunities. And um so I find that

Brian Atlasmessaging to be >> I've never said I've never said expired. Well, like I said, it's just biological reality. >> It's not just my opinion. It's just biological reality that as women age,

Brian Atlasuh, yeah, fertility goes down. And yes, in term, they've done studies on this in terms of assessment of of what men find most attractive. Yes, as women age,

Brian Atlasmen uh view them as less physically attractive. That's not to say that women in their 30s and 40s can't be attractive. That's not But generally,

Brian Atlasyes, women who are younger in their uh early to mid20s, that's when women are deemed most physically attractive. Do you dispute this? Do you think women are most attractive at 45 or 25?

Brian Atlas>> Uh, >> into the mic, please. >> Depends on how well you take care of yourself. I'm sorry, but unless a woman

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