Brian DEBATES Perfect 10 Boss Babe On If Women Have Duties To Men?! | Dating Talk #254

Date: 2025-08-04

Duration: 7h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EEllie (Fish Tank)>

AAudrey (Cherry)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Par(guest)

SPEAKER_03Ma(guest)

SPEAKER_04Luna(guest)

SPEAKER_05Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_06Ellie (Fish Tank)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Renez(guest)

SPEAKER_13Audrey (Cherry)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced including Fish Tank contestant and MMA fighter

Key MomentAudrey: 3.5-year sexless relationship, partner had micropenis (holds up fingers showing 3 inches)

Key MomentBumble swipe session: Ellie 60% yes rate vs Luna 5% yes rate

Key MomentMa: BPD, 3 stalkers, labiaplasty regret (lost sensation, cries daily), ex's suicide selfie

Key MomentMa: labiaplasty surgeon removed too much, lost sensation, cries every day about it

QuoteBrian reads article: Movember charity redirected $160M to women's health with zero for men

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Fish Tank contestant Ellie, MMA fighter Par (4-0), pet girl Ma.

Pet Girl / Furry Identity

Ma describes pet girl identity, walking on leash TikTok.

Audrey 3.5-Year Sexless Relationship

Partner had micropenis. Gained weight. BBW community.

Trans/Gender Debate

Is dating trans woman gay? Brian argues biological sex basis. Audrey supports respect but opposes puberty blockers for minors.

Bumble Swipe Session

Ellie 60% yes rate. Luna 5% yes rate. Women's pickiness demonstrated.

Ma's Notes: Anarchism/BPD/Stalkers/Labiaplasty

BPD, 3 stalkers, pimp encounter, ex's suicide selfie, labiaplasty regret (lost sensation).

Manifesting Debate

Brian vs Renez on manifestation. Brian: pseudoscience. Audrey: useful tool.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswe'll do pre-show notes. Um Oh, we didn't have you sign one. do one. But, uh, how about this, Luna? If there's any of these topics that you want to jump in on

Brian Atlasas they come up, just feel free to jump in on it. >> Uh, so going around the table or you know what? Here, why don't we do Did you all give me

Brian AtlasWhere do I want to start? Um, actually, you guys don't disagree with much. So, Rene, how do you say your name? Renees. Okay. uh you agree with the following

Brian Atlasstatement. Men are not the primary victims of war. That beckons the question, who are the primary victims of war? Are they women?

Renez>> Well, I think it can be translated back into like a relationship with a woman. So, if a man goes to war, you're talking about like legit war, right? >> Yes.

Renez>> Yeah. Okay. So yeah, I think that that plays an effect on them and like their whole they actually are a changed person from coming back from something like that which affects their relationship. So

Renezyeah, if they're in a marriage or if they have a girlfriend then yeah, she's going to absorb some of that. So >> but so she would be the primary victim.

Brian Atlas>> It's not a victim. It's it's just more like she >> she's what? She's just affected by it. >> I I don't dispute this at all, but the

Brian Atlasthe prompt is >> men are not the primary victims of war. You circled it indicating you agree with the statement. >> Yeah. Well, >> so

Renez>> I'm what I'm clarif >> I guess it would be the person serving >> and is that so men or

Brian Atlas>> I think it it does it say yeah it says it references a man first right the >> so I don't disagree with you that like a guy who saw horrific things at war could

Brian Atlascome back and could be suffering from like PTSD or how that could have an impact on his girlfriend. That's not in dispute. The question is though, who's

Brian Atlasthe primary victims? Who's the primary victim of war? Is it men or is it women?

RenezI mean, yeah, if he's fighting war, if she Yes, I would say him. But I don't know. I guess this is a bigger question as well, like how many other people are affected by war? M

Brian Atlas>> in general. But if we're saying if this if we're just talking about one person going to battle, then I would say yes. >> Well, I'm look it's not on the individual level. It's more so the

Brian Atlascollective level. So >> Oh, okay. >> If we're looking at gender as a collective, are there more men like the primary victims of war? Are they men as

Brian Atlasa collective or women as a collective? Who's the primary victim? I would say men. >> Okay, got it. So, okay. I mean, there's not If that's your

Brian Atlasposition, then there's not much really to push back on there. Um

Brian Atlasalthough, how about let's bring it to the individualistic level. So the man went to war, maybe he got an injury or he has PTSD and that has a really

Brian Atlasnegative impact on his relationship with his girlfriend or wife. Who is the primary uh I mean I guess I'll still frame it

Brian Atlasfrom primary victim of war in that circumstance. Is it the wife or is it still the uh the man on the individual level?

Brian AtlasI would say both. >> Okay. So then using your logic then could you say that when a woman

Brian Atlasgoes through pregnancy uh you know the woman obviously that can be come with certain side effects. The actual pregnancy itself giving birth is can be quite painful. And the

Brian Atlashusband's there in the waiting room with her and she grabs his hand and squeezes it really tightly and it's hard for him to see her giving birth. Like that's a

Brian Atlasthat's stressful. Who would you say they're both equally I'm not going to use the term victim here, but I'm going to use the term suffering.

Brian AtlasUh do are both the men and the woman suffering equally? No.

Renez>> Who's the primary sufferer of pregnancy? >> I would say the woman physically is going through more suffering, physical

Brian Atlaspain. He might be having emotional pain, but hers is on the physical level. >> Okay. But you would agree that often times in war, men do suffer physically. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, so, so on the individualistic level, you would probably say in this instance, the man still probably the

Brian Atlasvictim of war more so than the wife who deals with the trauma that he's experienced.

Brian Atlas>> More so than the wife. >> Like, okay, he saw some crazy [ __ ] Maybe he got an injury, whatever. He has

Brian AtlasPTSD. And that's that's introduced issues into the relationship. But who's the primary victim of war?

Par>> This is such an easy question. The answer I'm literally a military kid and like yeah, we got affected by my dad, but we didn't get as much like he saw crazy things over there like in the

ParMiddle East. So somebody trying to argue saying that like the girls at home get like most of the primary victim. That's not the case because I know what my dad went through. Saw some >> I'm taking the babies back by the way.

LunaI'm CPS told me. >> I didn't feel instinct for this one. >> My baby. >> What's his name? >> I'm happy with her. >> TBD. >> Here you go. Felicity. That's your future. >> Oh, you can have my baby girl. Thank you.

Luna>> Oh. Oh. Can you not grab the baby by the hand? >> Oh [ __ ] My bad. [ __ ] >> Oh no. >> That's crazy. >> I'm calling CVS. >> It's a [ __ ] doll. >> Well, >> steal.

Brian Atlas>> I'm calling CVS. >> Yeah. >> Don't make me open up one of these windows and drop the baby. >> Oh my god. >> Onto the harsh streets. Okay. >> The balconies.

Brian Atlas>> Uh thoughts? Any further thoughts on further thoughts? >> No, I don't. >> But so I guess to finalize, what's your position? Are women the primary victims

Brian Atlasof war? >> No. Men are if they are the ones that are serving? >> No. Okay. All right. Nothing else to push back on there. Uh let's see. Anybody?

Brian AtlasUm here. Let me just throw women are just as physically strong as men. Does anybody agree with that? >> No. >> No. >> Nobody. Okay. >> Uh damn y'all.

Brian AtlasOkay. Uh women are oppressed in the United States. You also agreed with that one. Uh Luna, do you think are women oppressed

Lunain the United States? >> Um I feel like it could it's a little worse as well in other countries. I think we're getting to that point,

Lunaespecially with Trump in rule and in power. Um, I feel like with the whole like my body, my choice movement going

Lunaon and all of that, it definitely did bring down the like individuality and power that women did have prior if we

Brian Atlasare letting men have control over our bodies. >> Okay. Um, so you do think women are

Brian Atlasoppressed in the USA and it relates to abortion is just so I understand your position. >> Yes, I would use abortion as one of my examples. >> Okay. All right. And then for you

Renez>> um >> you said women are pressed in the USA. Why is that? Yeah. >> Well, I've seen it in corporate um I was in corporate tech for a very long time

Renezand it was very apparent the way that women were treated versus men. Um pay pay range. Um so I've seen it.

Brian Atlas>> What do you mean the pay range? >> The pay range for a man versus a woman >> doing the same work. >> Doing the same exact work. >> You know, it's interesting. You mentioned tech companies. uh at Google they actually did an internal audit and

Brian Atlasthey actually found that they were overpaying the women. So would this point to anti-male sexism in tech companies?

RenezLike was that is that just immediately just sexism towards men? >> No, I'd say that it's just it's a it's a known fact. Um but

Brian Atlas>> what's a known fact? gap. Yeah. >> Okay. Uh I mean the gender wage gap has been debunked, but um do you want to explain to me I guess what the gender wage gap is?

Renez>> You mean overall? Are we talking >> what is it? What does that mean that there's a wage gap? that a woman and a man could be hired for the same exact position having the same exact

Brian Atlasqualifications and the man is being paid more than the woman. Okay. I mean, there's since the 60s, there's been laws against this. And if

Brian Atlasyou can prove that this is actually the case, as a woman, you can bring a lawsuit against your employer and be uh financially rewarded

Brian Atlasfor doing so. Uh I guess what what is the wage gap though? Some people throw out different numbers. They say it's 25 cents. Men

Brian Atlasmake 25 cents more. women earn 80 cents to every dollar a man makes. What What is the number that you know of? >> I honestly don't know it statistic-wise

Audrey (Cherry)it is right now. >> Gotcha. Um >> I've also been there wage gap. >> You me? >> Yeah. >> Um I don't know like specifically what

Audrey (Cherry)the thing is, but I do think that like in places people women get paid less than men. I don't think it's like as great as everyone talks about it as like it is, but I think there's definitely

Audrey (Cherry)bosses who are wanting to pay the men more. Like I think that it happens for sure. And I think it could happen to men, too. Like if a woman's running it, like I think it happens everywhere. So

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. Yeah. So I mean they did an analysis on the wage gap. So there's there's a couple different things. There's the earnings gap and then there's the gender wage gap. There's

Brian Atlascontrolled and uncontrolled. So if you control for everything cuz what the the gender wage gap does is it doesn't take into account any variables. It literally

Brian Atlasjust compares all the money that the women make and all the money that the men make and doesn't take into account hours worked. Doesn't take into account geographical location. Doesn't take into

Brian Atlasaccount the fact that men are more likely to work overtime, to work more hours. They're more likely to relocate. They're more likely to work hazard pay. They're more likely to happen to pay or excuse me, work jobs that are higher

Brian Atlaspaid. They're more likely to work dangerous and dirty jobs that also tend to be uh less desirable and in and end up paying more because of that. So, for

Brian Atlasexample, I mean, there's a lot of other sorts of gaps. There's the male death gap. So, men are way more likely to die on the job. So I mean I'm sure all of you would if there was a risk of you

Brian Atlasdying working a job you'd probably want to be compensated in a way that was commensurate with the risk that you were undertaking by working a job where

Brian Atlasthere's a risk of injury or death. Most women work comfortable air conditioned office jobs whereas a there's a much higher proportion of men who are involved in these certain fields where

Brian Atlasthey're literally working either dangerous or it's dirtier in some way. >> Well, yeah. So, but the gender wage gap that feminists like to purport doesn't

Brian Atlasfactor in all these variables that actually when you start to control for all the variables, the wage gap shrinks

Brian Atlasto 1 cent. Women earn 99 cents to every dollar a man makes. Oh, there's other factors too, like men are more likely to uh negotiate pay, men go into different

Brian Atlasfields, this sort of thing. But the big one that I always like to point to, well, hold on. Let me just divert really quick. Uh, who here thinks men should pay on for first dates? Raise your

Ellie (Fish Tank)hands. >> Should men pay on first dates, Ellie? >> I think it depends. >> Into the mic. >> I think it depends on who asks who on the date. >> Have you ever asked a guy out on a date? >> No, I haven't. >> Have you been asked out on a date?

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> Yes. >> Would there be an expectation if you did accept? If I did accept that she should pay, >> I would >> I would probably expect that it would be compensated. Yes, >> compensated. >> Yes, comped.

Audrey (Cherry)>> Comped. I like that term. >> Uh, okay. Um, what about you? >> I agree. If they're ask if I'm asking, I should pay. If they're asking, they should pay cuz >> they're the ones that

Audrey (Cherry)>> How many first dates have you been on? >> A good amount. Like maybe >> What proportion do you ask? >> And what? I date women as well, so I ask a lot cuz if >> Yeah, just talking about men.

Audrey (Cherry)>> Um Oh, like probably like I don't know like 30% of the time I'm asking. Okay, maybe. >> What about you? >> Um >> should men pay for the first date?

Brian Atlas>> I I don't think so. I don't want to be pressured and also I just want to be equal. >> How many first dates have you been on? >> A few. >> Uh did you always go 50/50? >> No, I >> The guy The guy paid?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Oh well. Okay. But I changed my mind cuz like I'm a better person now. >> Okay. But all the first dates you've been on, the guy paid for the date >> mostly. Yeah. >> And you used to believe previously that the guy should pay for the date.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> But that's changed. Okay. What about you? >> I do believe they should pay for the first date. >> And do you ask guys out for first dates? >> No. >> Have you ever asked a guy on a first date? >> No. >> How many first dates have you been on? >> Quite a few. >> Yeah. Ballpark. >> More than

Brian Atlas>> 20 30 40 50. >> Uh I would say more than like 20. Like 25. >> 25. And not one of them you asked him out on? >> No. >> And the guy paid for all of them? >> Yes. >> Okay. In your current relationship on

Brian Atlassubsequent dates, does he also pay for all other dates, too? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And other guys you've dated in the past beyond the first date, they also pay for subsequent dates also? >> Yes, >> generally. Okay. Uh Luna, how many first dates have you been on?

Brian Atlas>> Um quite a few. >> Quite a few. What's that mean? Um >> 10 20 30 40 50 >> like in like between like 10 to 15. >> 10 to 15. And will you go out to dinner? You'll grab pizza. What do you do

Lunatypically? >> Um it honestly depends on the type of person I am going out with. Like for example, the guy that wanted more traditional stuff, he always took me out

Lunato like really fancy restaurants um where like the minimum of the check was like about $300.

LunaAnd as great as that is to be treated with such like I would say like bougess, I would also rather had appreciated

Lunasomething a little more simpler. Cuz I feel like when men take you out on really nice dates, they kind of hold this like upper hand on you that they're spending all this money on you and

Lunataking you out to this really nice place. So you kind of have to like owe them something. Not necessarily all the time, but that is what majority of men

Lunathink. Um, a lot of my first dates I like, like especially for a first date, I like to keep it more mellow. Like I've

Lunabeen to like going to In-N-Out or like Chick-fil-A, like something really easy in which that we would go like 50/50 or just pay whatever we had.

Luna>> Okay. So, have you ever asked a guy out? >> Yes. >> Okay. But mostly they ask you out? >> Yes. >> And they pay? >> Uh, yes. Unless >> um And you have a preference I sometimes

Lunaoffer. >> And you have a preference for them to pay. >> Uh, not necessarily. I do. That's why I said I like to offer majority of the time. Like if it's not too big and fancy, I like to offer and I like to

Lunakeep it even just in case. Like what if that first date is also our last date? Like I'd rather them, you know, have like kind of a fair ground between that

Lunarelationship and not have it where they paid for a really big expensive date and they got really nothing out of it and then they get mad at you or upset that like you kind of use them for their

Brian Atlasmoney or whatever. >> Sure. Okay. What about you? Should men pay for first dates? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. Okay. Um, how many first dates have you been on? Probably over 40. >> 40. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Did you ask out any of the guys for any of those dates? >> No. >> They always asked you out? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Did they uh And overwhelmingly they paid for the first date? >> Yeah. >> If a guy you went out with a guy and he asked for two checks, would there be a second date?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Okay. So, you want guys to pay for first dates? >> Uh, yep. >> Yep. What about you? >> No, not at all. I don't think they should. >> You don't think men should pay for first dates? >> No. >> Okay. Uh, have you ever been on a first date? >> Yes.

Par>> How many first dates have you been on? Um about five or six. >> Okay. And did the guy pay for those or was it always all the guys paid? >> I've paid for I think two and then the rest

Brian Atlas>> the rest were paid for fully. >> Okay. All right. Uh so tying this back in to

Brian Atlasand relaying this to the wage gap. I think the wage gap could actually be explained away by women's own sexist dating preferences.

Brian AtlasHow could it Well, you were shaking your head, but how could it not be the case if there's a greater pressure? Like I I listed a whole bunch of reasons for why the supposed gender earnings gap could

Brian Atlasexist, but even kind of ignoring all those and just looking at the d the intergender dynamics between men and women. If women had a stated preference, like a strong preference, and it doesn't

Brian Atlashave to be all women, but let's say it's even half of women are like, "Hey, I want a guy who's a provider. I want a guy who can pay for dates." that places a disproportionate onedirectional

Brian Atlaspressure on men that doesn't that doesn't exist in the reverse that doesn't exist from men to women. So, and I think we can all agree here that I

Brian Atlasthink both men and women are really motivated when it comes to dating and finding your person, finding a partner, finding a boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, whatever it is.

Brian AtlasI think in some ways men can often times be even more motivated in some ways. But as it relates specifically to this, even assuming that the motivation to find

Brian Atlasyour person is is pretty much equal, there is this component of asymmetry when it comes to preferences. I don't believe that there's symmetry in

Brian Atlasexpectations, preferences, standards, etc. So if women have an asymmetrical standard which is men should pay for

Brian Atlasfirst dates, wouldn't this create a pressure on men to earn more money? Like if the man has to be the provider,

Brian Atlasthe man has to pay for first aids, that creates a pressure on men to perform and to achieve and to make money and to try to be rich or whatever that doesn't

Brian Atlasexist towards women. So, the wage gap can, if it even exists, be entirely explained by all of y'all's preferences.

Audrey (Cherry)We could also say it's more expensive to be a woman and that like we deserve more money because we have to do A, B, C, and D to make men happy. You know what I mean? Like our hair and our nails and all that stuff. Like, >> I think that's a preference. Wait, I

Brian Atlasknow it's a Do women do that [ __ ] for themselves or do they do it for men? >> I know. I have >> Wait, do women wear makeup for themselves or they do it for men? Because you like to pick and choose. Hold on. Y'all women like to pick and

Brian Atlaschoose when it's convenient now for you to say, "Oh, we wear makeup for you guys." But then >> you guys switch it up. Switch it up and say, "No, we do that [ __ ] for ourselves."

Audrey (Cherry)>> We do. I'm saying there's men who want their woman to look like that. And I'm saying if they want their >> men don't give a [ __ ] about nails. >> Not all. I'm saying, okay, maybe nails, but they want their women to keep their You don't want your women to get their

Brian Atlashair done and keep their looks going and all that stuff. She can get a haircut. >> She doesn't need to get the [ __ ] [ __ ] color. She doesn't got to do no [ __ ] color in it. She can just her

Brian Atlasnatural hair color. I'm telling you, uh whether she has dark hair, light hair, uh humans have been procreating for thousands of years before the invention of hair dye. >> Uh trust me, you can you can find a a

Brian Atlaspartner, you can find a mate, you can find a boyfriend, you can get some dick. >> Doesn't matter. You can be bald and get some dick. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think if the guy has those expectations, then it's different, >> bro. All that [ __ ] I'm telling you, I'm

Brian AtlasLook, >> groom, have good grooming, take good care of yourself, have your hygiene good, but all this extra [ __ ] that's that's you guys. Guys are simple. We don't we don't care about that [ __ ]

Audrey (Cherry)really. [Music] >> That might be you, but a lot of guys do. I think I know a lot of guys like natural girls. I know that there's a Yes, natural is a thing. But I mean, I do think that there's people like that.

Brian Atlas>> There's never been a time where I'm like, "Oh, damn. She's naturally a brunette, but she's actually a blonde. I didn't want to [ __ ] her, but now I want to [ __ ] her." >> Here is like I that's never been a thought process.

Audrey (Cherry)>> Hair is a little different, but like keeping your nails done and your your like >> the fake nails or nail polish, guys don't give a [ __ ] about that. >> Yeah, >> guys don't care. Now, don't have like nasty nails. have good hygiene. But that

Brian Atlaswould apply to men, too. >> Mhm. >> I don't think y'all want to date a guy with like nasty [ __ ] nails and [ __ ] >> True. >> But guys don't care about that. >> Okay. >> But you're getting away from my point a

Brian Atlaslittle bit here, which is in order to date, men have to be bringing something financially at least a little bit. We have to at least be able to pay for the

Brian Atlasdate. That in and of itself. And there's other financial burdens like women's general preference for a provider. Like let's say it's less than 50%. Let's say 30% of women want to be stay-at-home

Brian Atlasmoms. >> They don't want to work. So they're going to be looking to a man to be able to fully financially provide. It's not all women, but 30% of women is

Brian Atlasa [ __ ] ton of women. enough to create a mating pressure on men that again asymmetrical does not apply the reverse. Most men I can't move in the dating

Brian Atlasmarketplace and have ever have an expectation that women are going to initiate that women are going to be paying for dates that women are going to be doing providing that they're going to be okay with me wanting to be a stay a

Audrey (Cherry)stay-at-home boyfriend and she's providing everything. Is there things that you are looking like that's the thing like maybe in a woman's that's what they're looking for but it's the same thing men are looking for certain things too right they're more

Audrey (Cherry)>> like we're like oh we want a man who takes care of us oh oh god like you know what I mean like but men they're like very picky on looks and like what's on the outside I feel like you know what I mean like we're like we want a man who takes care of us like to be a provider

Audrey (Cherry)and a husband I feel like also you want a wife that cooks you dinner and folds your clothes sometimes like I I don't I think a girl who >> sometimes >> right >> sometimes all the Okay, that's the thing. If you I think that's okay if you

Audrey (Cherry)want your wife to fold your clothes, but you need to be providing for her. You don't want your your wife Yeah. So, that's what I think. It should be an equal. >> But we're having a conversation about the wage gap. And I'm saying the it the

Brian Atlastwo things really can't be true at the same time. Women can't say, "I want a guy who earns more than me. I want a guy to provide. I want a guy to pay for dates,

Brian Atlas>> etc., etc., etc." But also, women should be paid equally. It literally those two things c do not do not mesh. >> What you're saying >> they literally cannot mesh. >> You're saying that Go ahead.

Renez>> Are you saying that you're putting a price tag on women who let's say they are stay-at-home moms and they do that route? That's not that's not worth anything in terms of like a monetary Did

RenezI say that? >> No, I'm that I'm asking. >> Okay. What are you asking? >> That's what I'm asking you is. Do you think it do you think that there's not a monetary type like amount that equates

Renezto a woman choosing to be the nurturer choosing to carry babies, choosing to be a mom? Like all of that, all of that comes with like maybe it's not, you

Renezknow, the whatever he makes a million dollars a year that maybe it's not exactly a one for one, but are you putting a price tag on that for a woman? I don't see how that pertains to the

Brian Atlasconversation at hand, but >> I suppose I'll engage with your question. It doesn't really pertain. It's sort of off in the distance something else that's not really related to the wage gap conversation. >> It's totally a wage gap conversation.

Renez>> How is it? If >> a woman If a woman is deciding not to work and be a stay-at-home mom, then yeah, she you're you're removing her from >> making money.

RenezOkay. So, and >> well, no, you're >> but what's the argument? What >> you're you're you're bringing it back to

Reneza wage gap and you're it just it feels like you're not giving any credit to the women that actually want that are giving up say

Reneztheir careers to stay home, to take care of him, to do the dinners, to do all of that. Wouldn't that mean the men do need to make more money? I mean, in that scenario, like they need to provide. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Well, it's like two separate conversations. So, I mean, yeah, if a woman gives up her career, Yeah. I I guess I acknowledge that a woman would give up her career to be a stay-at-home

Brian Atlasmom, but I'm more so arguing from the perspective of you guys are claiming that there's a gender wage gap. And I'm saying, well, there's a whole bunch of reasons for why that is,

Brian Atlasnot due to sexism. Well, I would argue it's due to women's sexism.

Brian Atlasit. How How would it not be a sexist statement to be like, I think, okay, is it sexist for a guy to say, I think a woman should cook and clean, is that a sexist statement? >> I don't

Brian Atlas>> I don't think so. >> If they were like, I'm going to make like I think if they >> But I think a woman should do X. Is that sexist? >> No. >> No. >> No.

Audrey (Cherry)>> No. A woman should make me a sandwich. >> See, we're talking about in like in a relationship like if he's like in this relationship she should do these things like this is what I don't think that's sexist but like in that tone like being

Audrey (Cherry)like go make me a sandwich that's a little you know what I mean? Like if it's like an equal back and forth, it's okay that you're both asking for stuff, you know? But okay, if holding women to

Brian Atlastraditional gender roles is a form of sexism, then holding men to traditional gender roles must also be a form of sexism. >> Yeah, but I didn't say it was sexism. I said it's not

Brian Atlas>> right. But so the the argument here is uh the gender wage gap, women earn less money because of sexism. And I'm prepared to agree with you, but

Brian Atlasit's because women have a sexist uh traditional gender expectation on men that men be providers and men pay for dates. >> Oh, you're saying it's sexist to make

Brian Atlasthat like that that we think that you're saying and it's not sexist. >> So, I mean, people have different sense of sexism. I personally am fine with traditional gender dynamics, but if

Brian Atlasyou're going as women going to uh disregard and kind of throw away your traditional gender roles, why can't men throw away theirs? >> You can.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Then why do all these women who are probably we have a lot of women who are still uh who who I would categorize as progressive and liberal and feminist and believe in equality.

Brian AtlasWhy do you want men to pay for first dates? Like how do you believe women should be paid the same but also believe men should pay for first dates? >> Like do you think >> why? >> Like it's well do you think it's okay like if a guy took you on a date like

Brian Atlasdidn't tell you where you're going and then you get to the date and the bill is $300 and then he's like >> it's a great red herring. I love the red herring doesn't answer my question at all. >> I'm so

Audrey (Cherry)>> I said that I don't mind paying. I if I think if the person asks you should pay. If I ask you should pay. Like I'm not paying for a date. That wasn't my idea. >> Back to my question. Back to my

Brian Atlasquestion. So why is it like how do we reconcile women saying men and women should be paid equally, but men should still pay for me socially? >> Yeah, it's a double-edged sword. It

Audrey (Cherry)doesn't make sense. I understand what you're saying. Like I I get that. But I think a woman's allowed to want a guy to date and want a guy to be a provider. Like I think you're allowed to want these things and then you just date that

Brian Atlasfits in that. But so how is a guy supposed to provide >> without getting paid more? >> Without getting paid more. >> Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think if if

Audrey (Cherry)you want a man to do those things, then he like they need to be in a job that >> and it's also not even that men are being paid more. The other component is

Brian Atlasjust if if you double the labor pool. So if before you know um there was still female participation in in jobs uh but

Brian Atlasessentially you had what happened 50s60s7s the labor pool doubled. Okay wages are going to stagnate

Brian Atlasand now in the past you could support a family on one income. You could support a family and it the income didn't even necessarily have to be all that high.

Brian Atlasyou could work as, you know, a certain wage of job. Now, even sometimes two people who are, you

Brian Atlasknow, I trying to think of like a a wage range. You have to be an exceptionally high earnner to support a family on one

Brian Atlasincome. >> Mhm. I I'm just saying I didn't put that argument. >> I don't know how you reconcile. Women should be paid equally, but men should pay for first aids. Men should be

Brian Atlasproviders. >> I agree. >> How can we provide if we've I if you double the labor pool, that's going to start causing a lot of Look, I'm not saying that women shouldn't work. That's

Brian Atlasnot what I'm saying. But I'm saying one of the downstream effects of feminism and having women enter the workforce, again, I'm I'm in favor of women working. But when it comes to dating, if

Brian Atlaswe're going to move society in a progressive direction, there can't be a continued expectation that men are going to even economically or financially even be able to provide that which existed in

Brian Atlasthe 1950s when we've done away with the 1950s expectation that men are going to be the dominant participants in the labor pool. Mhm.

Audrey (Cherry)>> So, you're sh saying the view should change based off the what today's world is like? Like how >> I'm just saying if you're going to be feminist, >> you can't be feminist until the check comes.

Renez>> You got to pony up. You got to pay half the bill. Why are you shaking your head? Tell me why. >> Absolutely not. Sorry. That's why I go back to saying masculine men, masculine men will always

Renezpick up that tab no matter what. They have no problem picking up that tab and they will actually never let a woman pay for it, especially if it's yours. >> Yes. >> He will not let her pull out her wallet

Brian Atlasever. >> So, what do men owe to women? >> What? >> Nothing. >> Well, what do you mean? That's >> You're saying a masculine man would never let a woman pay. So, he has some

Renezdegree of there's a femalriven expectation on men. I'm saying there's a certain caliber of

Brian Atlasman that exists out there that >> what does he get in return for being a masculine man >> to be in the presence of a woman? >> A woman. But shouldn't he? Okay. So,

Brian Atlaswhat do women have to do >> in >> what is a woman's duty? You're saying a man has a duty to pay for first aids, to be a provider, to be a ma masculine, all

Renezthese things. What do women have to do? >> Show up. Be the woman. Be the woman. Show up >> that like. >> What if I said you understand what it is

Renezsuch a privilege it is to even privilege? Okay. So women are privileged. Yeah. No. Yes. >> Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> Yes, I do. I do believe that. Yeah. >> On both on both spectrum like on the

Renezboth on the man and the woman side. It is a privilege to have a strong, loving, nurturing woman in your life. And I will tell you that the ways that we provide

Renezfor a man, even though it is not monetary, you cannot put a price tag on that. >> What do you do? Tell me what you do.

Renez>> You said >> I'm talking like I'm talking about emotional availability. I'm talking about um providing like a a place of

Renez>> uh peace of wellness of >> um I mean there's a lot that women do that you it it's not just directly related to a dollar

Brian Atlasdoesn't equate to monetary >> okay so should women be submissive >> if they want to if that's the role that they want to play. >> Okay. Well, then why can't I say the same thing about men if that's the role they want to play?

Brian Atlas>> Okay, >> that's not the man. Okay, sure. >> If Okay, so I guess here's the two paradigms. We can agree that there's all kinds of different different people, there's

Brian Atlasuh men who are more or less masculine, but that masculine guy who's who's a leader who's going to pay for first dates,

Brian Atlaswhat does that guy deserve from a woman? in the same way that she's getting the things that you listed that would be a fair expectation for the woman to have. Well,

Renez>> I think if he's going into it looking for a long-term partner versus we're not talking just like hookups. Okay. Yeah. Sure. >> Okay. So, if we're if we're looking at it from the long game,

Renez>> then I don't see a reason as to why a man would not want to show up in that capacity for a woman,

Renezby being the provider, by being the first to throw a credit card down or whatever it is for a first date. Like, >> show her that you have the ability to take care of her. And if you can't do

Renezthat on date one, then you probably shouldn't be dating. Like, don't even don't don't come to the table unless you can be able to throw that card down. >> I agree. I think, you know, also uh

Brian Atlascoincidingly, women should be prepared to be submissive right away. And you know what? If if she comes back to your place on the first date, she should fold your laundry. She should fold your laundry. She should

Renezclean your house. Uh she should do all that. But let me ask you this. Um, do you ever want to get married? >> You? >> No. >> Not traditional. Not traditionally. So,

Reneznot in a um like in a church or anything like that. Like a >> But you wanted the the state You want a state marriage? >> I don't want a state marriage. >> Oh, okay. And just curious, any reason

Brian Atlaswhy not? >> Uh, I don't want to be tied to legal system. Yeah. I just don't. >> Okay. So, don't want to be tied to a legal system. Okay. Who here wants to get married? Just show of hands really quick.

Brian AtlasYes. Maybe. Show of hands. Show of hands. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Uh, wait. Really quick. Let's do this. Show of hands again. Just uh, who wants guys to pay for the first date? Show of

Brian Atlashands. Raise them eye. Luna, didn't you? No. I thought >> Okay. Uh, really?

Brian AtlasIt was just It was just you and you and you three who wanted I thought there was more of you who wanted >> Yeah, that's men. Duh. >> I asked men on dates all the time. I'm >> not. >> Oh my. You said it was 3070.

Brian Atlas>> So men ask you more. >> Yeah, because I'm not asking unless I really want to go on a date with them. That's what >> Right. But you get you get asked out more by men. >> Yeah. This idea of whoever asks should

Brian Atlaspay would make sense if there was somewhat approaching similar rates of men and women asking each other out. So if it even if it was

Brian Atlas6040 men asked out a little bit more, I could be like I could get behind the okay whoever I should pay. It's like 95.

Brian AtlasIt might even be 99% to one. That's the differential between how many times the rate at which men initiate first dates versus the rate women initiate first dates. >> In the opposite direction, do you think

Audrey (Cherry)they should split the bill or do you think that we should pay the bill? Like if he if you ask someone on a date, are you splitting the bill? Are you wanting them to like what what's the argument? You know what I mean? Like if a girl if you're not paying, are you splitting or you want them to pay?

Audrey (Cherry)>> What do you mean? >> What do you mean? What do I mean? You're saying we we're not allowed to have a guy want to like he asked me on a date. I want him to pay the the date. If that's not how it's going, do you think we should split it or do you think we should be the one offering to pay

Brian Atlasbecause they ask us? >> Look, I'm fine with guys who are asking paying for for first dates. What I'm what I'm contending with is the argument of whoever asks should be the one to

Brian Atlaspay, but it conveniently ignores that men are overwhelmingly the initiators. So, as women, you you have this sort of benefit where you can move through life and like never ever ask a guy out and

Brian Atlasyou'll have plenty of guys constant flow. Most men, if they never asked a girl out, they're that's the end of their [ __ ] bloodline. >> Not that of the bloodline.

Brian Atlas>> Like, most men are not getting asked out by women. It is what it is. So, I'm saying to just wave away, to handwave away. Oh, well, whoever asks should pay.

Brian AtlasAgain, it just ignores this kind of intergender dynamic where men are overwhelmingly the initiators. So, it's like not factoring in that component of it. >> Mhm. >> So, de facto, you should just say men

Brian Atlasshould pay because men are the initiators. >> I mean, that's deacto what it is. >> Yeah. >> But getting back to this, uh, who I guess going to you, it's kind of

Brian Atlascomplicated because you don't want to get married. Um, yeah. I don't know if this question is really going to land then, but um, would

Brian Atlasyou ch if you did get married, but it wasn't through the state, but I guess name changes are legal name changes, would you change your last name to his

Brian Atlaslast name? >> No. >> Okay. Um, why? I'm just so any uh what about you?

Brian AtlasYou said you want men to pay for first dates. You want to get married one day. Will you take your husband's last name? >> Yes. >> Okay. And I don't know if there What about some other people not wanting to? I don't know. >> Okay. Well, it's just weird because you

Brian Atlaswant men to adhere to their traditional gender roles, but you don't seem to want to adhere to your traditional gender roles >> of a name change. >> Yeah. that traditionally like when a woman gets married

Renezshe's going to take the husband's last name >> traditionally yes if I'm not wanting to get married in a traditional sense in

Renezthe court system and then by I mean legally I do not have to um if I'm open to the conversation of having that with

Renezmy partner and if it's a big deal then we will have that and you know I wouldn't mind >> saying okay like yeah I would change but

Brian Atlas>> all right do you think uh let's say a woman is living with a guy and he's being a provider taking care of everything should she cook for him

Renez>> like that's something she should do >> it's something that I would do >> okay should she do his laundry.

Renez>> Sure. >> Should she clean the house? >> Yeah, I think it it would be >> just her. She just does that [ __ ] >> Co I think it would be uh a co-artner kind of thing. Like, hey, you do this, I'll

Brian Atlasdo that. Or >> yeah, I think some responsibilities should be shared. Uh, I mean maybe those that are a bit more like physically demanding possibly,

Brian Atlasbut like what like just cleaning generally is not super physically demanding. I think >> cleaning fine. >> Like the like the bathroom. She 100%

Brian Atlascleans the bathroom every time. All the time. Every day. Not every day. I'm just exaggerating. All the time. >> All the time. >> Every time. I don't know. Say it's once a week, whatever. She cleans the

Renezbathroom. That's her. That's what she does. >> Are you in favor of this? >> Cool. Yeah. >> Never. Sometimes he does it. >> Um I mean, if he wants to let him do it. >> No, but he doesn't want to.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, then >> you'll do it the whole time. Every time. >> Every time. >> Okay. >> The bow video. Oh, sure. We can do the bow video. Good suggestion, Nick. >> Bow. Bow. Bow.

Audrey (Cherry)>> Good girl. That caught me off guard.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. Yeah. >> Boom. >> So, this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend. Um, >> well, I I um this was after a long long podcast episode. Come back to my

Brian Atlasapartment. Um, she had my dinner ready. This is kind of my expectation. Um, I do need the bow. Immediately as I come through the door, she has to crack open my beer for me. Um, I had to scold her

Brian Atlasfor those tomatoes. I'm not a fan of tomatoes, so I actually dumped her after this dinner because she I don't eat tomatoes like that. And then let's just play the bow again really quick.

Brian Atlas>> Boom. >> Huge bow. Do you see the depth? Amazing. Great technique. Hands kind of submissive base submissive housewife. Um, ex-girlfriend did have to dump her though. She was

Audrey (Cherry)>> uh kind of crazy. Also, you saw you see the eyes at the end. Yeah. Crazy [ __ ] She did all of that and still she did it all done still. >> You know, look, you know, >> y >> sometimes the bow is not even doing it.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, so do you guys think uh I don't know. Would you bow for your man going around the table? Starting with you. >> Yes, I would. >> Okay. Are we going to get a demo right now? Can you show us a bow? Not to me. Just in general. >> In general. Can we see a bow? >> I'm sitting down right now. Well, stand up. Let's see the bow.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> The full picture. >> Yeah, we need the the full the full All right. >> Okay. Oh, this is really demeaning. No, this No, >> let me get >> the camera's right here. You can Yeah,

Brian Atlas>> I'll show >> No, you're good. No, where you were was good. Where you were was Okay, go for it. >> All right. >> Well done. >> Fantastic.

Audrey (Cherry)>> Well done, Ellie. Well done. Good job. >> W Ellie in the chat. Um, would you bow for your boyfriend? >> No. I mean, if he's if he's paying all of my bills and taking care of me full

Audrey (Cherry)force and that's like our subdom requisite to the bow. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. >> Bowing because you're bow bow bow all of this. >> I'll bow bow bow for him. >> Ellie's definitely on board with the bow. >> Yeah, >> I will bow for you. >> All right. Would you bow for your

Brian Atlasboyfriend? >> I have. And I kiss his feet, too. >> Okay. W's in the chat. I mean, that's kind of >> No, no, not like that. just like the you know like when you bow like not like

Brian Atlassucking his toes you know >> I mean I could get behind I I'm not about like the the feet kissing thing no but like not just the bow but the get on the ground and then bow yes

Brian Atlas>> sign me up >> for that >> what about you would you hit a bow for your boyfriend >> I've actually had this conversation with him cuz he showed me this video and I said yes >> your boyfriend watches the podcast >> he does

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> and so you did you do it >> I But it was kind of like it's not a joke, but it's kind of a joke because right now like I wouldn't do it right now because he doesn't provide for me. But I told him that if he did

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> I would [ __ ] you can't see see the vision for >> I see the vision. That's why I did it the first time. >> Right there right now, but maybe down the road. >> I did it one time and I was like I was like I'm not doing it anymore besides

Lunathis one time. I was like that's just a vision into what is potential. >> Would you hit a bow for your boyfriend? >> Um probably. Yeah. All right. Wa.

Luna>> It's almost out of like respect cuz especially in Asian cultures, you do bow out of respect. And it's like the lower you go, the more you respect them.

Luna>> So like in like Chinese marriages, like the bride and the groom will like see who can like bow the lowest. >> They have a bow. >> I have seen that before. Yeah. >> Okay. Would you bow for your boyfriend? >> Uh if he bowed for me, I'd bow for him. And then

Brian Atlas>> one directional. >> What? Why does he have to bow? No, only one person bows. >> No. >> Yeah, you wouldn't bow for him. >> No. >> Wait. Question. Would you bow for the perfect guy?

Renez>> Would I bow for the perfect perfect guy? >> He doesn't bow back, but you just bow for him. >> No. Unless it was in a funny context and we were just being humorous. >> He every time he comes home from work, he just wants you to three seconds just hit a bow.

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Perfect guy though. >> Everything is perfect, >> dude. I do some for the perfect woman. I do a lot for the perfect woman. We know >> I do a lot.

Audrey (Cherry)>> What? >> You would rather a woman bow to you than come in and be like, "Hi, sweetie." Like you want them to be like, "Yes, sir." Like that's like like I get I get it. I don't know. >> She can she can do the hi sweetie and

Brian Atlasthen >> with coupled with a bow. >> Yeah. It's >> okay. >> Yeah. All right. What about you? Would you bow for your boyfriend? whatever into the room >> long-term boyfriend like probably not

Par>> first date should be first date >> not a first date I feel like >> especially if they don't pay I don't know I feel like if I don't know you that well like >> All righty >> only my husband

Brian Atlas>> yes >> All right look I'm just saying I'm going to put you ladies on some game here >> I know y'all modern boss babes

Brian Atlasbut I'm I'm telling you. First time you're at the guy's house, as soon as you walk through the door,

Brian Atlasact like you're on a mission, be like, "Where's the laundry room?" And make your way. Clean up after him. Clean his house. Maybe bathroom can be the second

Brian Atlasdate. Okay. Sometimes bathroom's a little dirtier. Laundry first date. Maybe tidy up the kitchen a little bit. He's got some dishes in there. Clean the dishes. Put them in the dishwasher. Whatever. You might say, "Damn, I'd

Brian Atlasnever do I never degrade myself like that. You do that [ __ ] for a guy, he's going to be like, "Who's this?" >> Okay, man. Come to the >> I'm never had this before. This is

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> I got a Hold on. And that guy who he's going to give you some some brownie points >> for not for not a lot of ef at least a bow. That's no effort. That's no effort.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> Yeah. No. No. Would you do that when you go to a guy's house, you should do his laundry. >> I think if you want a top shelf guy, you should be briefing yourself before you even get to the house, looking up floor plans so that you can beline to the

Brian Atlaslaundry room and to the kitchen. >> I love that. Yep. >> It's all about sandwich. >> That's good. See, that's the effort that I'm talking about. It's it's the thought

Brian Atlasthat counts, you know? Okay. >> She she's putting in the effort. >> Mhm. Do

Brian Atlas>> you also like sneak in break into his house when he's not there >> so you can even know where the cleaning supplies are? >> Exactly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> I get that from you, Ellie. That you

Brian Atlasseem like that kind of girl. >> Okay, that's cool. Um, anybody else thoughts, opinions, feelings? >> I'm telling you, look, first time you're at a guy's house, I'm telling you.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> You know how people like to assert dominance? You're asserting your subservience. >> Oh, I thought you were about to say that you like to urinate on the walls. >> I have like This is my territory. No, >> I thought you were territorial or some

Ellie (Fish Tank)[ __ ] >> Well, I'm not like a bear, so I wouldn't like go pee on everything unless you know that's what guy wanted. >> If he was into that, you would >> if he was. Yeah. I mean, >> yeah. >> So far, I've been practicing my piss

Ellie (Fish Tank)retention so that I can like stay at this table for as long as possible without having to take my bathroom break. We have had women urinate. >> Yeah, >> just kidding. >> Like they hold it in and

Audrey (Cherry)>> Oh, >> little trickles out and seeps into the >> That's commitment though. >> Mary knows what I'm talking about. >> That's happened here. >> What? >> Did y'all change the chairs? >> Yeah. >> Yeah,

Audrey (Cherry)>> we wipe the chairs. >> Wipe this on like cushions. >> Yeah, that's soaked in. Marinated. >> Yeah. Well, don't worry about it. I'm a little worried.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, so anyways, what do you guys think though? In favor of the bow. Wait, you wouldn't do it for the perfect man? >> If he's going to do it for, like I said, it has to be reciprocal. Yeah, he's going to bow. >> Wait, what? Why reciprocal?

Brian Atlas>> Because >> are you going to reciprocally pay for the date? >> We're talking about a bow. >> Wait, wait, wait. But think about this.

Brian AtlasThink about this, right? A bow. Boom. 3 seconds. No effort. Super easy. Zero effort, easy. I mean, if you got low back, just a little slip out. I got back

Brian Atlasproblems myself. So, you know, but what what you're asking for for a guy to pay for the date. Now, look, when you become older, you tend to become a bit, you

Brian Atlasknow, you earn more money. But we got some girls here. We got 18, 19, 21, 19, 23, 23. You could be dating

Brian Atlasa guy who makes $20 an hour. Let's assume a guy takes you to a decent place. It's not super fancy. He's not going to spend a thousand bucks, but he spends a hundred bucks on the dinner

Brian Atlasbetween the two of you. You know, that's a drink or two, appetizer, main course, dessert. It's realistic. A guy who's taken you to a a me mid-tier place is

Brian Atlasgoing to spend 100 bucks. If he works and makes $20 an hour, and I'm just factoring in your portion, let's say your portion of the meal is 50 bucks,

Brian Atlasright? $100 total. You're asking the dude to work two and a half hours to take you on a date. Two and a half hours. Let's say he's a I don't know, he

Brian Atlasdigs ditches. Let's say he he works he works a a a construction job. He's out in the heat. He's sweating. He's getting

Brian Atlasdirty. He's he's breaking his back so that he can take you on a date. And if the date is a hundred bucks, like I said, you're portion 50. That's 2 and 1/2 hours of him working. So when women

Brian Atlassay the guy should pay for the first date, the entailment of that is if assuming it depends on how much he makes, if he works and makes $20 an hour, you have to work two and a half

Brian Atlashours to take me out. That's what you're saying as women, when you say men should pay for first dates, I don't think it's that big of an ask. Then just hit the

Audrey (Cherry)bow. That's it. I'll pay that bit. I'll pay the bill. You got to hit the bow. >> No >> respect. >> Bow is bills. A hug is dinner. Like I'm

Audrey (Cherry)not I'm not bowing or or whatever. Like a bow is crazy. Like I will bow to a man if he's taking care of me fully. If that's like if it's a respectful bow. Like if he's like bow to me, [ __ ] Like I'm not bowing to him. But if he's like

Audrey (Cherry)in my culture, like how she was saying it is a cultural thing. I went to a wedding that they literally were bowing. Like if it's a culture thing and I'm dating someone in that culture and he's like this is what a woman in my culture does to show of course but if it's in a

Brian Atlasdisrespectful manner >> it's of course respectful >> she should want to do that [ __ ] >> I like this guy so much I'mma do that [ __ ] >> If it's going to make him like me more do that [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> And that's but that's weird. Like >> wait question. Who here wants a guy to open the car door? >> A guy should open the car door. Open the

Brian Atlascar door. Open the car door. >> What about walk closer to uh the roadside, the street side where the cars are? >> Yeah. Should he walk? >> Yes. This is these are not >> the sidewalk negotiables. These are the

Audrey (Cherry)sidewalk. >> The sidewalk rule. >> Who cares about that? Like >> women women pay attention to this [ __ ] >> Honestly, my mom was like, if he doesn't do that, like there's some people who notice little things like that. >> You were going to say something though.

Renez>> I just said those are non-negotiables. Those are things that negotiable. Those are things that a man should just be doing. They should just do it. >> Without question. >> Without question. >> Without question. Oh my god. Right.

Brian AtlasThese are duties that men have. The man open the car door. The observe the sidewalk rule in case a [ __ ] car comes barreling down at you and you're

Brian Atlason the first date with a chick who's done gone on 10 other dates in the past month. I'm supposed to sacrifice my life for a girl who done [ __ ] a guy the night before. What the [ __ ] Are you

Brian Atlaskidding me, bro? This is crazy talk. Y'all want to be modern women, but y'all you want men to be these [ __ ] 1940s bachelors? Oh, well, I'm going to I will

Brian Atlasuh lay I'm going to protect you and I'm going to walk on the inside of the road so if a [ __ ] car comes barreling down I he Oh my god, babe. Oh, Felicity, get out of the way. Pushes her out of the

Brian Atlasway. Oh my god. Oh, I'm dead. And then literally the next day, oh, Felicity. Oh my god, she's so sad. And then she's she's on a date with [ __ ] Bartholomew or some [ __ ] bro.

Brian Atlas>> She's dating [ __ ] >> She's dating Cornelius or some [ __ ] >> What' you >> And I just died to protect her the [ __ ] day before. And she's getting [ __ ] down by [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> She's getting [ __ ] [ __ ] down by some other dude. She's getting dick. She's getting dick from somebody else. >> I gave my life. >> That's true. >> These are very slim things when you're

Audrey (Cherry)asking for a bow every single day. And okay, where is it? Bow down. It's a bow down like to royalty. That's No, that's what bow unless it's a respectful thing in a cult. >> Queen [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> bro. Look, >> I'm just saying. Wait, you were saying that bare minimum or something like men or what was the term that you used? Yeah, >> for like opening the car door.

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