Brian DEBATES Perfect 10 Boss Babe On If Women Have Duties To Men?! | Dating Talk #254

Date: 2025-08-04

Duration: 7h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EEllie (Fish Tank)>

AAudrey (Cherry)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Par(guest)

SPEAKER_03Ma(guest)

SPEAKER_04Luna(guest)

SPEAKER_05Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_06Ellie (Fish Tank)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Renez(guest)

SPEAKER_13Audrey (Cherry)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced including Fish Tank contestant and MMA fighter

Key MomentAudrey: 3.5-year sexless relationship, partner had micropenis (holds up fingers showing 3 inches)

Key MomentBumble swipe session: Ellie 60% yes rate vs Luna 5% yes rate

Key MomentMa: BPD, 3 stalkers, labiaplasty regret (lost sensation, cries daily), ex's suicide selfie

Key MomentMa: labiaplasty surgeon removed too much, lost sensation, cries every day about it

QuoteBrian reads article: Movember charity redirected $160M to women's health with zero for men

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Fish Tank contestant Ellie, MMA fighter Par (4-0), pet girl Ma.

Pet Girl / Furry Identity

Ma describes pet girl identity, walking on leash TikTok.

Audrey 3.5-Year Sexless Relationship

Partner had micropenis. Gained weight. BBW community.

Trans/Gender Debate

Is dating trans woman gay? Brian argues biological sex basis. Audrey supports respect but opposes puberty blockers for minors.

Bumble Swipe Session

Ellie 60% yes rate. Luna 5% yes rate. Women's pickiness demonstrated.

Ma's Notes: Anarchism/BPD/Stalkers/Labiaplasty

BPD, 3 stalkers, pimp encounter, ex's suicide selfie, labiaplasty regret (lost sensation).

Manifesting Debate

Brian vs Renez on manifestation. Brian: pseudoscience. Audrey: useful tool.

Transcript

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Renez>> Um, so there's like different levels within the master. So I'm like at the lower level of >> You're like super saiyan level one. >> There's like three levels overall. But um, >> what level are you at?

Renez>> So raiki. So there's like regular raiki and then there's a raiki master. You've done extra hours and then like within the raiki master system there's a couple different levels. So just depending on how long you've been doing.

Renez>> Yeah. But where which level are you at? I just come in at like the like bottom of the Raiki master. Yeah, >> the bottom level. >> Yeah, I would say. I've only been doing it for like

Renez>> Can you demonstrate some Reiki on her? >> What about What about Luna? >> I don't touch anyone. >> No. Yeah. Yeah, but don't you wave your hands around? >> Yeah, exactly.

Renez>> Can you do it to Luna? >> Well, I mean it would be like I don't touch her physically, but like and my hands go over here and >> Do you feel that Luna? Yes. I feel the energy. >> Wait, do demonstration. Do a demonstration.

SPEAKER_12>> Oh my goodness. Yeah. So, I would put hands like around the neck right here like this on the head. >> Is Wayne going to have to choke a [ __ ] >> Damn, that's crazy. Okay. Um, cool. Did you Did you do you feel better now, Luna?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> She was actually dealing with severe depression, but now I think she's cured. So, thank you for that. >> You're welcome, Luna. >> Thank you. Um, okay. So, you're a a Reiki. How do you say it? Reiki. Raiki. >> Raiki. Yeah. Like Raike. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> You're a master. >> Um, >> what do you say to people who um don't believe in that sort of thing?

Brian AtlasThey don't think it works. What do you say to them? I'm not saying that. >> I don't think you >> I'm not saying that. What do you say to those people that do say that it's I'm not saying this, but like the people that say it's [ __ ] What do you say to those people? I'm not saying that.

RenezThey say that. >> Oh my gosh. He said that four times. I think he is saying that. >> What do you say to those people who say that >> that it doesn't work? I would I mean I would just say like you believe in you

Renezknow there's people that believe in God. There's people that believe in energy. So if you believe in any of those things then it's the same thing. >> Uh it's the same thing. >> You believe in something that you cannot see.

Renez>> It's like the same thing as God. Like the Christian God. >> Like take it take God in general. You don't see God, do you? You don't see a

Renezperson a person sitting at the table with us. You don't see God in a in a in a physical form. So, >> uh, sure, I guess. Yeah. >> Yeah. Same thing. Break is it's all energy. Energy. >> What do you think? I have a couple crystals here. I don't know if you

Reneznoticed them. >> I did notice. >> Have you have you felt any energy from the crystals? >> No, I have not. >> Do you don't believe in crystals? >> I do believe in crystals a lot. So, you're saying my crystals are

Brian Atlasfraudulent? >> No, I'm saying I personally >> I have two here and then this one here. >> Oh, I can't see. >> These are actually defensive ward

Brian Atlascrystals >> and they protect against um demons, witches, eirls, >> entities. >> Inbalming women who study inbalming.

Brian Atlas>> What? >> Negative entities. Does that make me a bad person? >> Uh, no. But it does defend against >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um, okay. So, spiritual advising, can you explain that a little bit?

Audrey (Cherry)>> It's just coaching. >> Coaching. >> Yep. >> How much do you charge for that? Like a session? >> Uh, it depends what you're looking for, but like >> like what's your most expensive package? Like if they're wanting it all, how much are you charging for that?

Renez>> Yeah. Like I do 12week transformation packages that like I that's what I prefer. And those are um 1,10011. >> Wow. Make that money, girl. >> Yep.

Brian Atlas>> Yep. I support it. >> I charge $999 for my I'm undercutting you, by the way. Uh for my spiritual consulting practice. If anybody wants uh

Brian Atlasmy to to procure my services for spiritual consulting, I will do so. Uh $999. Okay. Um All right. That's cool. Um, you've been single for three years.

RenezHave there been any guys in the picture in the past three years? >> Yeah, I mean there's been a lot of dating, but um, I would say nothing that I've really would like to entertain for

Brian Atlaslong-term benefits. >> Okay. Uh, so you maybe a couple months or something you saw some people or >> um, yeah, off and on.

RenezBut right I mean right now no I'm not seeing anyone in particular that is >> okay. >> Yeah. Special. >> Do you believe in manifestation? >> Oh yes. >> Manifest.

Brian Atlas>> Oh yeah. >> Are you a manifestation baddy? So >> well yes I am. >> All right that's cool. Um what is

Renezmanifestation? What's that? Um it's I mean to put it easily digestible is it's really intention.

Brian Atlas>> Intention. >> Yeah. Comes down to intention. >> Can I manifest? Can I manifest right now? Like how do I do that? >> Yeah, you can manifest right now. >> Speak it into existence.

Brian Atlas>> What do you want? >> Uh what do I want? I want somebody to send a champagne pop. I want to manifest >> a champagne pop for the show. So, I don't know if somebody wants to,

Brian Atlasyou know, No, no, no. It's not that I'm manifesting it. So, [Music] >> that's it. All right, that's cool. Um, all right. >> How much is a champagne? >> Can you manifest anything? >> Absolutely.

Renez>> Absolutely. >> Like, can I manifest uh >> No. I know >> like anything you can manifest anything

Renez>> if you have an imagination and you can actually visualize it. Yes, you can manifest it. >> All your thoughts >> like if I just wanted a meteor right now.

Brian Atlas>> Oh my gosh. >> To just and sorry asteroid to just come barreling through the studio. >> Yep.

Brian Atlas>> And but but not like a really small one. So it just it just kind of gave Nick like a just got Nick's hair

Renezlike it just scalped him. But he still lives. Could I do you think I could manifest that? >> Taking it so literal. >> There are laws in the manifestation

Brian Atlasworld that you know you can't you cannot manifest things that are going to actually hurt other people. So >> I think that would be an upgrade for them. I don't know what you're talking about. That would be right, Nick. That would be kind of dope.

Brian Atlas>> Probably. >> Probably. Um, okay. What about I want Fine. I won't hurt Nick. I want a

Brian Atlasuh a bald eagle to fly into the studio with a duffel bag full of hard drives

Brian Atlasfull of Bitcoin and cash. Preferably $5 million in cash in $2 bills. How do I manifest

Brian Atlasthat? >> You guys don't get any, by the way. It's just for me. Very selfish >> manifest. I I selfishly manifest. How do I do that?

Renez>> Oh, that's so like I don't think I can even drop secrets on that because if you're not going to share, then I'm not going to share. >> Wow. >> It would take >> rude. >> Yeah. >> Well, okay. Well, I'm not going to share

Brian Atlasmy manifestation techniques with you, too, >> then. >> Oh my god, he's gatekeeping. >> Gatekeeping. Okay. Um, FPS. Yo, chat, is the FPS kind of

Brian Atlasscuffed? My producer Nick says he's had his eye on the manifestation or the FPS. Can we manifest some good FPS for the stream

Brian Atlasboys? We need some. But chat, uh, has the FPS. So, does it look jumpy if I go like this? >> Yeah. >> Is it a little I kind of see it. Does it look a little >> It's just

Brian Atlas>> jumpy a little bit. I don't know. What about this angle? This is clean. That's clean. But here looks a little jumpy, doesn't it? What does the chat say, Nick? Is the FPS scuffed? >> Um,

Brian Atlas>> choppy. >> Yeah, choppy. >> Choppy. Maybe we have to Well, we'll keep an eye on it. Nick, can you tell me in like five minutes if it's if it's still scuffed? All right, that's cool. uh relationship status for you.

Brian Atlas>> You Yeah, moving on. Moving on. >> Um I'm single. >> Okay. How long have you been single? >> Um since 2021. >> Four years. We'll say four years. >> Longest relationship.

Par>> Y'all going to laugh. Two days. >> In my only relationship. >> All right. >> I don't even count that as a relationship. >> What happened there? What's the story? Um, so I was a freshman in the same

Parcollege I'm going to and um kind of dated a wrestler at my college and I told my coach about it. He was happy for me, but he was like, if you, you know, want to pursue MMA, you're not, you

Pardon't really need a boyfriend at the time because I told my coach, I want MMA to be my career, which it is now. And it was like, I think four or five months before my first ever fight. So, I was pretty focused on my fight. And my coach

Parwas like, "That's going to be a distraction." And so my coach kind of told me to end things and he understood. So I ended things after two days. And um

Brian AtlasI'm here now. So >> All right, cool. Um and that was your only like anything. Yeah, >> basically. You're also a Christian, correct? >> Okay, so you're waiting until marriage.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> Okay. Have you had a like a first kiss? >> Yeah. Okay. You've had that Ellie's the Okay, I guess the she's still trying to

Brian Atlasmake it happen. Um you um you also wrote here uh Yeah. So you broke up with him. Your coach told you you needed to focus on MMA.

Par>> Uh but so you're Christian, right? >> Yeah. >> Uh what denomination of Christianity are you? >> Um we're Well, I actually go to a non-denominational church. I grew up in a >> Okay. >> non-denominational church. I don't

Parreally like I call myself a Christ follower, but if y'all hung out with me, I'm not a like judgmental Christian. A lot of

Par>> um so the Christians I've been around, some of them, not all of them, are very judgmental. They'll tell you, "Oh, you don't need to wear this. You don't need

Parto eat this." Like all religious stuff. But if you have a relationship with God, um you don't really need a set

Pardenomination really because there's Catholics, there's Mormons, there's all these different denominations, but I feel like if you just have that authentic relationship with God, you

Brian Atlasshouldn't have to put a label on what you are. >> Okay. Uh chat, what is is this called um

Brian AtlasSolola Scripura? Is that what that's called? Where they just uh So do you um you don't you don't go to church then? >> I do go to church. >> Oh, okay. It's a non-denominational church though. >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Can I'm uh a little curious here. >> Yeah. >> So the church you go to, there is no like biblical prescriptions that they

Paradvise. Um there are some like they'll talk about fasting like they talk in New Testament and Old Testament stuff. They

Partalk about fasting, praying, um the apostles, Jesus, resurrection, all that stuff. But um it my church is not

Parthe pushy type of church. Like we're like come as you are. And they're very welcoming. And >> say if somebody >> like everybody sins, but say if somebody

Parreally sinful just got off the streets, came into our church, our church is not going to be like, "Oh, you can't be here." Like, "We're going to show you the love like Jesus would show you,"

Brian Atlasbasically. >> But you're saying there's certain uh religious doctrines or Christian doctrines that you would not adhere to. Like it's kind of up to you to pick and choose which

Par>> Mhm. >> Like I know Catholics I think they pray to Mary. I I I'm not a Catholic. I don't I pray to God. >> But you mentioned something about the way you dress. >> Oh yes. Yes.

Par>> Right. So you you'll dress revealing is what you're saying. >> Um not not too revealing. I mean I'll wear crop tops and I'll wear like a tank top, but I know some like

Brian Atlas>> Sure. >> You know. uh question. Do you believe in uh when you're married, do you believe that wives should be submissive to their husbands from a Christian worldview?

Par>> Mhm. Yes. >> Okay. So, if your uh husband said, "Hey, I don't want you doing MMA anymore." Would you quit? >> Um, I don't think I would date a guy

Parthat wouldn't want me to do my career, but um I think I'll be retired when I get married, so that wouldn't be a problem. Um, >> I would just I don't know. That would

Brian Atlasprobably be a big argument for me. >> Yeah. But is it possible that you could be married >> while you're still actively >> No. >> So, okay. So, you would just on your own

Brian Atlasopt to retire. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But say you met a guy like >> today. Uhhuh. >> And then you get married a year from now >> and he tells me to quit MMA,

Brian Atlas>> right? Well, how long do you want to be doing MMA? >> Um, until I get to the UFC and >> because most people have careers into >> late 20s into their 30s in the UFC. So, I mean, you could be

Brian Atlas>> I could be there for a long time. >> Like, who's that the woman who's had a >> she recent like I within the past year or two was defeated, but she was super uh Do you know who I'm talking about? >> Was she blondeheaded?

Brian Atlas>> No, she's Brazilian. >> Was it Amanda Nunez? I think Amanda Nunes. >> Yeah. >> Uh she's 37. She is still competing apparently, I guess. >> So, I mean,

Par>> could you see yourself competing into your mid to late 30s in the UFC? >> Probably not. I would I want to retire by 30. Okay. >> Um because like with the sponsorships I

Parhave now, like I'm making pretty good money. Um and once I like break into the UFC, there's more opportunities, endorsements, and all that stuff. And I feel like if you do your money right and

Parmake it work for you, you can retire from a good standpoint like at 30, but I would still kind of work like do seminars, travel, but not fight >> because it does take a toll on your body.

Brian Atlas>> Do you want to have kids? >> Um, as of right now, no. >> Don't want kids? >> No. >> Well, not now, but could you see yourself? >> I really don't think so. >> You don't think so? >> No. >> Okay. All right. Let's say you get

Brian Atlasmarried at 25 though and your husband says, "I just want you to quit doing MMA." Do you do it? >> No. >> No. >> Okay. Well, that's it. Go ahead, Felicity.

Felicity>> Single. I've been single for two months. My longest relationship was two years. >> Single for two months. >> I don't know. >> It's just on again, off again with you with the with the guy, right? >> I No,

Brian AtlasI have no idea. >> Okay. All right. Cool. Uh, we have a soup chat here from Josh Brooks or a Streamlabs message and he says,

Ellie (Fish Tank)"You know what, Ellie, you get to read these. Go ahead Ellie, read it." >> I have an allimportant question for the panel, Brian. Most embarrassing dating or carnal knowledge storage stories embarrassing for either person.

Ellie (Fish Tank)Something that really stuck with you. >> Did you adopt cat? >> Oh, yeah. I have Do we still have the photos, Nick? I'm going to see if we have the photos. April. Yeah. Can I read that again? I like did not understand

Brian Atlasthat. >> Oh, so I mean just pose to the panel most embarrassing dating story or hookup story, I guess. Anybody have an embarrassing dating or hookup story?

Audrey (Cherry)>> I won. But >> yeah, go ahead. Um, I was making out with this guy in high school like on his bunk on his bunk bed and it was dark and we were like getting into it and having

Audrey (Cherry)a good time and then I like looked like went like this and I see that there was blood all over his face and I was like and then I looked in the mirror and I saw there was blood all over my face. I got a bloody nose and I my first bloody

Audrey (Cherry)nose I've ever gotten in my life ever. I've ne and I still have never gone one since then and it was like it was it was like carry in there. Did you end up staying with that guy for a while? >> Yeah, he you know it was nice cuz like he was one of those guys that like

Audrey (Cherry)didn't care and also he was like a freak like weird freak. So like he >> Well then you know it was like serendipitous. He was meant to be >> Oh yeah. Yes. Blood blood brother blood blood brown. >> Yeah.

Audrey (Cherry)>> You must have been making out like hard. >> No. I think it's cuz I was like I was like on top, you know, like and I was like down for a long time. So maybe the gravity just I don't know what happened. >> Was it winter?

Audrey (Cherry)>> Could have been dry. Maybe it was dry. I don't know. But it was What's crazy is how we didn't notice or taste the blood. Like it was everywhere. Like I go up and it's everywhere. It was bad. So that was pretty bad and embarrassing.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> That's better than what I thought you were going to say when you said blood. >> Oh, that has not happened to me. Thank god. But no, >> I have one like that. Speaking of blood, but that kind of blood actually. Okay.

Ellie (Fish Tank)So I'm by So I was with a woman at the time and we were drinking. We were drinking a lot and I remember we were like at her house just in her room getting things started you know and she

Ellie (Fish Tank)goes down there she starts munching and I was like I'm I'm really wet right now and then she pulls her face away it's like covered in blood and I remember being like

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> oh no like I did not know I started and then she was just like >> went back in went back in for it and I was like okay whatever whatever feels right you know I loved it. Um, but like yeah, 10 minutes later she got sick. And you know, I felt really embarrassed cuz

Ellie (Fish Tank)I was like maybe it's cuz of me, but I think it was just cuz she was drinking. I don't know. You know, >> also maybe cuz it's blood. >> That too. That too. >> Why did you go back in? >> If I thought too hard about it, I'd probably also get sick. So I was like, but it was kind of embarrassing, but fun

Audrey (Cherry)nonetheless. >> Do you guys care about that? >> Every guy that I've met, >> they tell me they don't care about that having sex. No. Like I feel like I've never had an issue. Like every guy I've been with, they've never had like they

Audrey (Cherry)just put a towel down. But I'm not letting my cter like what the heck. Like that's just insane. That's insane. I mean, I'm not saying like love that she did that for you, but I'm not going to let someone like you know what I mean. That's weird. Like if I knew if I knew

Ellie (Fish Tank)like if it was on accident it happened and they're like go on. You know, but >> I knew and I let her keep doing it. I was like if you're enjoying that, I'm enjoying it too. Go right on ahead. >> No. Yeah. If they're saying yes, I guess that's fine. They're they're the freak ones. >> That was pretty freaky.

Renez>> Yeah, I think I'm with you. I I wouldn't if I knew I was it was that time it'd just be yeah let's pass on that but like sex's fine but like not >> cuz it's fine like you take a shower and it's like totally fine like it doesn't

Audrey (Cherry)even get messy unless like >> you're it's like really bad you know >> doesn't smell >> it dep like when you if you shower well yeah that's what I'm saying if they're

Audrey (Cherry)down there with their nose but if they're just having sex with >> the [ __ ] are you not having sex on our period. Would you have sex with someone on their period? Be honest. Don't be >> uh generally no. It's not my preference.

Brian Atlas>> Your girlfriend. You're dating your girlfriend for 2 years and you want to have sex with her on her. >> I've been dating her for 2 years. We done [ __ ] already hundreds of times. Why? We can. We don't have to every day. >> See, that's the thing. I feel like if you're a boyfriend, like you that's like

Brian Atlasrid Like I feel like >> No, the argument would be the rever. The argument would be the reverse. If you're in a relationship with a girl, there's no need to then go and have sex on her. >> But girls are hornier on their period. So,

Brian Atlas>> okay, cool. >> That's great. Congrats. Um, but so I can see the potential argument if like there's a guy who's inclined to have a like a casual encounter and that's the only opportunity to do it. A guy might

Audrey (Cherry)be more willing to do it under those circumstances. But >> why? No, I don't. I think it's fine if you don't want to if you're like grossed out, but I feel like if in a like if I'm

Audrey (Cherry)dating someone for for like 10 years and every time I'm on my period they say no, like that wouldn't I wouldn't like that. Like I feel like it's >> What's wrong with that? >> I just I'm saying that's my preference. No, cuz I'm saying like

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, that's like you're on your period. It depends on like 3 to 7 days or whatever. That's a long period of time. And if you're horny and test this out, if a dude bled out of his dick, would

Brian Atlasyou uh want to [ __ ] him for once uh you know, a couple days out of the month, would you you know, maybe just be like, you know what, maybe we don't have sex

Audrey (Cherry)when your dick's bleeding, you know? You know, would you you wouldn't like that's a deposit. He's depositing his dick blood into you, >> but at that point where like you're he's depositing other stuff. We're like in a relationship. Like what's the same

Audrey (Cherry)thing? >> Other stuff's fine. >> Maybe not. >> That's what I'm saying. You don't need to every time, but I'm saying if like your girlfriend comes up to you and is like, I need it right now. Like if you said no, that's like I would be my feelings would be hurt if my boyfriend my long-term boyfriend

Brian Atlas>> I hope you feel better by tomorrow. >> That's great. That's that okay. Your feelings are hurt. >> Yeah, that's okay. >> Okay. >> You don't need to [ __ ] the blood. It's okay. >> Uh who here? So who asked that? Was that

Audrey (Cherry)you? No, I was I was saying I got a bloody nose while I was making out with someone and then she said she had a bloody coochie while she was so with someone and then she asked the question. >> Yes. >> I mean, isn't there like this comedian

Brian AtlasAli Wong? She has this joke about how she was seeing this guy. And she but she told him, "Hey, I'm on my period." And he said, "Well, I guess we're going to

Audrey (Cherry)have to make a [ __ ] mess, aren't we?" >> Oh, I love that energy. >> And she said that was the most romantic thing she said. >> Yes. that like a girl. That's what I'm saying. Like wouldn't you rather a girl be like, "Oh my god." Like like that would make them so horny instead of like you being like, "Babe, like you're

Audrey (Cherry)>> Yeah, she can be horny another day." >> Oh my [ __ ] Okay, I guess that's true. But like a girl doesn't like that. Like a girl wants like you to be so into them that you would [ __ ] them no matter what. >> I think a lot of girls get it. They're

Audrey (Cherry)like, "Okay, we don't have to during the I get that too, but >> that's something you just said made the claim like the girl she thought that was hot. She said, "We're going to make a mess." >> She said that. She said that. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. There's other women here. Are you guys down with the period sex or do you prefer to not have sex when you're on your period? >> It's interesting. >> Yeah, that's not helpful.

Renez>> It's not preferable. Not at all. But if you're And it just depends on like if you're if this has been a long-term boyfriend. Like sure, if it's someone new, no thanks. I'd probably, you know, I'd wait

Renez>> I'd wait a while. Like don't introduce that right away, I suppose, is my take on it. I wouldn't. But at that point, like once you've been dating somebody for a while, you're not pressed to have

Brian Atlassex. So So then it's like, well, we might as well have sex when all the factors are as optimal as possible. >> What? Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Was I've never ran into a man that wouldn't be okay with it ever. >> That's just the truth. Unless I'm hooking up with them. >> Could just be the Okay. Well, >> what? Say it. >> Nothing. Don't worry about it. Say it. >> No, you're good. >> That could just be what? The men that

Audrey (Cherry)I'm talking to. >> Yeah, that's what I was going to say. >> I All my girlfriends, same thing. Like that's a turn off to them. If like if you're dating someone like we're just talking, it's one thing. But if you're my boyfriend, we're talking about boyfriend. Boyfriend's different. >> What about it?

Audrey (Cherry)>> Okay, that that just your opinion. I'm having sex on my period. I don't give a [ __ ] You know >> what if he doesn't want to? You going to be all pouty about it then? >> I'm just going to go in my room with my buzz buzz and I guess I'll be okay then, too. Like I mean I'm going to be a

Audrey (Cherry)little >> Wait, do you even want to masturbate when you're on your period? >> If you take a shower, like an actual shower, like you're good for a couple like, you know what I mean? Like obviously it's not like And if it's a light day, like >> can you tilt your mic or just scoot your mic that way?

Brian Atlas>> Yes, sir. >> Thank you. All right, that's cool. Anyways, off of the blood comb though, I guess. Um >> Oh, Nick, we forgot to do the fire thing. Um yeah, let's pull it up. By the way, guys, I I meant to mention this at

Brian Atlasthe beginning of the stream, guys. There's a freaking fire miles away from our studio. Uh there's been some issues with the internet connectivity. Often times when there's

Brian Atlasfire fires, it impacts uh you know there's sometimes rolling blackouts, this sort of thing. So if you guys note right by the monitor here, right by wait, can I

Brian AtlasSanta Barbara? It just shows Santa Barb Yeah. Yeah. Right there. That's where we're at. The fires are just up north a little bit. So, um, 40,000 acres, the Gford fire, my goodness, guys. So,

Brian Atlasthere's there's haze, there's smoke. We, you know, I want you guys to be thankful of this panel. We are all sacrificing ma doing major sacrifices to put the

Brian Atlasshow on. Some of these women might not even survive the fire in. We're going to keep streaming until the fire is literally outside our windows and engulfing the entire building. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> You can see the smoke up there. >> All gas, no brakes. >> Yeah, you can. >> Yeah, it's hazy. Anyways, uh and then there was also a tsunami a couple days ago, too, which was deeply,

Brian Atlasyou know, it had a huge impact on the podcast. Um there was the tsunami here in California. So, you know, us here at the Whatever podcast, we the show must

Brian Atlasgo on. Must go on. Okay, good talk, guys. So, uh, >> no. Um, anybody have some any disagreements? I know some of you aren't super familiar with the show, but some

Brian Atlasof you have seen the show before. Anybody have any disagreements? Why don't we just jump into those? Anybody with the with me, with the show, something I've said? >> No. Do I have to prompt you? Okay.

Brian Atlasprompt us. >> Uh, I will prompt. Uh, let's see. Who did we uh Jillian, you disagree. You write that

Brian Atlasyou're moderately liberal and emotionally inclined. Not sure what that means. Uh, so you tend to default towards supporting individualistic rights, and you say you think sometimes people on the show can be quite close-minded. Uh, why don't you, I

Ellie (Fish Tank)guess, explain that? >> Okay. When I said people on the show can be close-edminded, I didn't only mean like you. I meant just like everybody. Sometimes when I hear opinions, it just means like I hear people >> and they're like so like stuck in one opinion. I feel like I'm very much able

Ellie (Fish Tank)to like listen to a lot of opinions and I can see both sides a lot of the time. >> Okay. >> Um I say moderately liberal, but I would say more like moderate and I only say emotionally inclined because a lot of people put like I don't know more

Ellie (Fish Tank)tolerant people in a liberal category when I don't think necessarily I'm either one. I'm just more tolerant I'd say. >> Okay. Um, what are the uh when you say you support individualistic rights, what are you

Ellie (Fish Tank)talking about? >> Like uh like the trans debate, like uh LGBTQ, like even if I might not agree with everything personally, I'm still going to respect everybody's decisions

Brian Atlasand opinions. >> Okay. Uh is there anything specifically that you've heard on the show that maybe I've said that you disagree with? Um, I guess not that I would say necessarily

Ellie (Fish Tank)disagree with. I've heard y'all talk about the trans debate a couple times. Uh, me and my boyfriend were watching a a couple clips the other day and y'all were talking about like how uh carnal

Ellie (Fish Tank)knowledge if it was like a trans woman or like a trans man, like does that make it like gay or straight? And like >> Mhm. >> I feel like some of them like I agreed with some of them, but also like I was

Ellie (Fish Tank)like debating with him about it cuz if you look like a man and you're presenting as a man and let's say you're a straight man, but you're getting into it with like a a trans man. So they were born a woman but they present as a man.

Ellie (Fish Tank)Okay. >> I would think you're a little bit a little bit gay if you're like presenting as a man going for another man even if they like were born a woman. Does that make sense?

Brian Atlas>> Wait, hold on. So you're saying that they were born female >> but they become they're a transgender man. >> Yes. So they were born female and then they like transition to be a male even

Ellie (Fish Tank)though they have female anatomy. But if you're a man, going for someone who presents as a man, that makes you kind of gay, even if they have female.

Brian Atlas>> And then by extension, a man who or wait, hold on. >> A man who goes for a trans man, >> that's usually not the framing for the

Brian Atlasargument. The framing for the argument is a cis I hate this term, cis man who dates a transgender woman,

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> that's gay. Well, yeah, because they have male anatomy potentially, but if it's a transgender man, they were born a woman, so they have female anatomy, which a lot

Ellie (Fish Tank)of people would argue is like straight >> relationship because they have female anatomy, but they look like a man. So, if you're a man dating someone who looks like a man, I would think you're a little bit gay, even though you're going

Brian Atlasfor someone who has female anatomy, when some people would argue that's straight. >> Oh, okay. I see. So, they Okay. Wait, have is it postop? >> Um, >> so it's a female who has like a penis

Ellie (Fish Tank)penis added, >> right? That Yeah, that would I feel like they still have vagina. >> Even if they still have a vagina, if you like are appearing as a man, like let's say you have like facial hair and like you look like you, but you have like a vagina. Like I would think they're

Ellie (Fish Tank)they're a little bit gay. >> I feel like they are gay. Those people >> Well, it's only cuz they argue that they're straight because they still have a vagina. So they're like I have a penis and they have a vagina. So, it's >> I mean, I see what you're saying. That's typically not how the argument is framed, but I'm happy to engage with

Brian Atlasthat. So, >> uh I would say that so the the actual act of having sex with that person, >> yeah, >> that wouldn't I don't think that would

Brian Atlasbe categorized strictly as a homosexual act. You're saying the woman still has an intact v or the trans man has an intact vagina. >> Okay. Yeah. In this in this scenario, sure.

Brian Atlas>> Right. So there would be some questions as to his uh his sexuality because he he finds this masculine appearance uh

Brian Atlas>> attractive >> attractive. The specific act itself, I don't I wouldn't categorize it as a homosexual act, >> right?

Brian Atlas>> Uh is is this person hypothetically also attracted to just straight up men also? >> I don't know. Maybe if they're attracted to straight up men also, then they're they're just gay,

Brian Atlas>> right? >> Yeah. So, I mean, I would say that >> gay is gay. >> I would say that this >> it wouldn't fall strictly under the definition of homosexuality because if

Brian Atlasif they're aware that this person has a vagina, then I would I mean, it would be pansexual. I would not call that strictly straight though,

Brian Atlas>> right? Uh but typically my preferred framing for this is a man so for example me dating a transgender woman. So somebody who was born male >> okay

Brian Atlas>> and well they remain male >> and whether they have a penis or a vagina like the it's not a vagina but would you think that that's straight or would you think that that's gay?

Brian Atlas>> So the other person appears feminine. Uh yeah, sure. But they have it born male and I'll even go ahead and grant that has the I'm not going to call it a vagina because it's not a vagina, but it's postoperative.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> I I would say that's straight then. >> Yeah. How would it be straight? >> Well, cuz they appear female and like they don't have any male anatomy at that point anymore. >> Like I would say it's straight with a few extra steps. I wouldn't say it's like 100% straight.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. But have they Well, I guess the easiest way to put this, what is straight uh short for? man and woman like straight like male.

Brian Atlas>> It's straight for Would you say it's straight for heterosexual? >> Straight for heterosexual. >> Straight is short form slang for heterosexual. >> Oh. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> So heterosexual refers to the other sex or the opposite sex. >> Right. >> Right. So a transgender woman is not the opposite sex. A transgender woman is

Brian Atlasstill male >> biologically. Absolutely. Yes. >> Right. And so when we're talking about sexuality, we're referring to the sex in which you're attracted to, not the gender identity in which you're attracted to.

Brian Atlas>> Okay? >> So if a man is is engaging if a male is engaging in a sexual act with a male, definitionally that would be a homosexual act. That would be gay. It

Ellie (Fish Tank)would not be straight, >> right? Even if they their gender identity is that of a female. >> Yeah, I can see what you're saying because yeah, biologically if they're still a male, then that would be homosexual. >> Two males having sex.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> But if they like look female and they have no male parts, you're not doing technically anything homosexual besides just messing with someone who has different chromosomes than you. >> You No, it still definitionally would be a homosexual act.

Brian Atlas>> Well, what Okay, how about this? What about um >> Why do we care? >> So serious. I mean there's a whole there's a whole bunch of reasons why somebody could care. For example, if there's like >> well if it becomes this cultural norm

Brian Atlaswhere essentially like oh yeah that's 100% that's 100% a woman then okay I don't need to disclose to a potential partner that I'm actually uh male or

Brian Atlaseven going further I actually have a penis but I fully exterior to my exterior I look like a a woman. Well, so you can bamboozle. They have to tell them if they >> What do you mean? There's literally a

Audrey (Cherry)push in this movement. >> No, absolutely. So, there's that's what I'm saying. Like, like in the last That's why I also wanted to mention is because in the last episode that I was in, there was the guy I don't know his name, but the religious, he's

Audrey (Cherry)homophobic, all the things. And I didn't argue the um topic with him because I feel like I didn't want to give it the time of day with him because he was so educated in the the topic. But I feel like it's more like a respect thing. Like the these people are humans at the

Audrey (Cherry)end of the day. Like when it comes to like our kids, leave our kids alone. Like kids should not be transitioning at freaking five. Absolutely not. But if an adult wants to be trans, I don't care. Like let them live. Like that's my thing. I respect people and their

Audrey (Cherry)opinions and their beliefs. And I feel like if a person wants to live as a woman, and I'm going to respect them as that, and I'm going to call them that. They're trying to take my womanhood, right, because they want to be a woman. That's different. Like when they're

Audrey (Cherry)trying to change us, what was it? birth people or something like no I'm a woman you know like if it's that case like I understand it's like people are taking it to the too far but also there's a level of just respecting a human as a

Brian Atlashuman like that this is what they want and it's a real thing it's a studied thing like the the day thems all those things yes different >> yeah I I acknowledge that this is a phenomenon like there are transgender

Brian Atlaspeople nobody is denying that this is a phenomenon however I think we should get back like you're trying to obis obfiscated a little bit away from the conversation at hand. So, do you think it's because

Brian Atlasyou're referencing, well, we should show these people respect. >> Okay. Has anything I've just said demonstrated a lack of respect for transgender people? >> See, the other thing we have different opinions like I think you not calling them a woman is disrespectful in my opinion, but why would that be

Audrey (Cherry)disrespectful? >> That's what I'm saying. In my I think if a per like Okay, maybe that's the thing. a woman like in down to the biology of it like obviously inside they're not like and I understand that but if >> that's really transphobic of you

Audrey (Cherry)>> no that's not it's not cuz I feel transphobic if hang on let me finish my point >> wait your position is the same as mine then >> no listen no cuz you don't you're you like are against them like aren't you against them like you don't like what have I said >> that's what I'm saying like well that's

Audrey (Cherry)what I'm asking I'm saying like do you would if someone was sitting at the table would you call them a man instead of like would you say sir or call them their other name in front or Would you call them? Sure. That's a fair question. >> Ma'am or her. That's the thing. It's about respect. It's not about like at

Brian Atlasthe end of the day, yes, >> I would use their I honestly I would just use their name. >> Yeah, >> I would use their name. But if they were to ask me, "Hey, Brian, what do you think my pronouns are? What do you think

Brian Atlasmy gender is? What do you think my sex is?" I would not lie to them on that if they overtly ask me that question. But to at least the extent to which I'm

Brian Atlasprepared to extend uh politeness would be to use I'll use their female their female name. So if they change their name to Becky, I'll go ahead and call them Becky. I'm not going to use their

Brian Atlaslike they legally change their name or whatever, I'll use that name, but I'm not going to ever say that that's a she when it's >> when it's not >> when it's a male. >> Yeah. And I understand that point of

Brian Atlasview. It's more like >> but to be clear, what just happened there? >> Okay, hold on. >> To be clear, I would specifically avoid having to use pronouns and I would just

Brian Atlassay instead of saying she wants that, I would say Becky wants that. >> That's the level of respect I'm pro I'm willing to give. I think that that's fair. But now you're asking me to change

Audrey (Cherry)my world view to accommodate what in my perspective is a mental illness. >> Okay. So, yeah, that's the thing. I I'm not even like it that's thing it is like I feel like it is a mental thing too like but it's a studied thing that like

Brian Atlasit's like there's so many cases of it that's an actual thing that people feel there's interex people what about interex people >> there's a lot of cases of schizophrenia >> I understand >> and it's a really documented thing just because hold on >> and it's documented it's really well

Brian Atlasdocumented and there's treatment for schizophrenia we don't affirm schizophrenics in their delusional beliefs >> so you think because so schizoph friend is one, but like just cuz a person wants

Audrey (Cherry)to be like that's they feel so uncomfortable and and then what if it like you say it's a mental illness, right? And to fix this mental illness to make them feel better, they want to wear girl clothes and be and be Becky, that's not okay. Why can't like if that's their

Brian Atlasantidote and their depression medication to them? >> So adult adults are free to dress as they like. I'm not proposing laws that should ban like as a man if you want to

Brian Atlaswear a dress you have that freedom. I'm not proposing laws to prevent men from wearing dresses. >> However, at what point do I need to

Audrey (Cherry)participate in your delusion? >> I guess that's the thing I don't want to I support. I don't think it's delusion.

Audrey (Cherry)I believe in trans people. I think there's it's gotten deluded. No, I understand what you're saying. I know. I get what you're saying. But I'm saying I think they deserve to be I think that is respectful and that if they think they're a woman and they want to become

Brian Atlassay that they're she I'm going to respect that and I also respect your opinion. That's fine. But I think everyone deserves respect and to live their life how they want. >> So we can have a separate conversation about like sort of generalized trans acceptance. But I want to bring it back

Brian Atlasto the original thing which was dating, right? >> So okay, do you think that transgender people should disclose? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I think if they're going to be in a full-on relationship, especially if

Audrey (Cherry)they don't have like I think in general they should. Like I think that they should. But I don't think if they're just starting to talk to someone, like they don't need to right away, but if they're going to be in a relationship, yeah, they need to. Same thing. I don't think it's transphobic not to date a transgender woman. I think it's same

Audrey (Cherry)thing. I don't think it's fat phobic to not want to date a fat person. It's just a type and a and a thing that you like. It doesn't mean you're a horrible person because of it or whatever. Like >> that's what I'm saying. There's a respect level. Like you can have your own opinions and respect people at the same time.

Audrey (Cherry)>> Let's do this. Um, what is a woman? >> You know, I hate that question. >> Oh, a woman is like a That's A woman is someone who was born with a cooter, I guess. But I'm saying if they want to,

Audrey (Cherry)I'm going to respect that. You know what I mean? There's a definition and there's also respect level. Like, I'm not going to argue on that. >> But are you respecting the b the biology? >> I always have said that's what I'm saying. I always like even if I respect

Audrey (Cherry)them like I'm not going to pretend like obviously they were born that way and the inside like that's who they are but I'm not going to like I just respect everyone and what they want to do and also cuz I have friends who like are that and like who have transitioned

Audrey (Cherry)during school school like literally came back after winter break completely different and it was like and it was when we were in middle school like before it was like a whole thing like now it's like taught in school and I think that's not okay like I'm not for

Audrey (Cherry)the kids transitioning kids learning at the at that age people being able to get on hormones No. Like after you're a certain age, like 18 or whatever, like you can physically do stuff. Same thing. I wouldn't let a kid get a breast implants. Like what do you mean? Like

Brian Atlasyou're not going to let I just think that's ridiculous. >> Do you think Do you think uh what about puberty blockers? Can they have puberty? >> I don't I think >> Wait, hold on. But that's what the transgender advocates say. That's gender

Brian Atlasaffirming care, but they need to take puberty blockers prior to starting puberty. >> Are puberty blockers reversible? >> Nope. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They claim it is so that they like in

Audrey (Cherry)furtherance of putting kids on puberty blockers but it's puberty is absolutely not reversible >> because I feel like a lot of the things like you know same thing like you don't learn who you are what you want exactly. I think the the people who are

Audrey (Cherry)transgender like they do know it younger too but I feel like you need to experience a lots of things in life to fully know what you want. Like some trans people don't want this operation or this operation. You don't even know that until you're older. So like why would you

Brian Atlas>> but you do you do realize that the transgender ideology and movement is making a massive push for >> hold on for allowing >> and this is really the only time you can take puberty blockers. So these people

Brian Atlassaying well you can make that decision when you're 18. You've already pretty much gone through most of puberty or all of puberty. So puberty blockers are typically for uh I don't know the exact age when typically they get started. I

Brian Atlasthink it's maybe 11 12 13 14 around there. Uh that's what they're and they're saying yes, this is good. This is gender affirming care. Are you in favor of that? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Well, that I mean you're kind of in contravention of the main Hold on. Hold on. You got to let me finish talking. You're in controvers in contravention of the mainstream uh

Brian Atlasgender gender ideology talking points as it relates to transgenderism. >> This is something that they're they're genuinely this isn't like fringe transgender stuff. It's mainstream trans transgender stuff letting kids take

Brian Atlaspuberty blockers. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You can agree with some and agree not agree with other. >> You agree with that one specifically? >> Yeah, I don't. I don't. >> Okay. So, you're against like the mainstream? You're not You're against like mainstream gender affirming?

Audrey (Cherry)>> I'm okay. Yeah. Yes. I'm okay with a kid like if a kid want my my >> Wait, you're okay with kids getting it? >> Listen. So, if my kid wants to wear a freaking skirt, like I'm not going to be upset like

Audrey (Cherry)>> talking about gender. I'm Hang on. I'm saying there's there's lines to it. Like if you want to present yourself feminine, I'm not going to tell my kid that's whatever they want to do, I'm going to let them do that. If they want to change something about them, their

Audrey (Cherry)physical selves when they're a ch child, like puberty blockers, surgeries, none of that to me is okay. I think once you're an adult or once you're like old enough or like they were in therapy for years and years and years and then and then like doctors were like if they were

Audrey (Cherry)younger and were saying it since they were younger like they need to have like a therapist to talk to and they've like realized that their entire life they felt that way then they could do some type of surgery. But >> but okay so how about this? You said you

Brian Atlassaid you're not cool with the puberty blockers, but if you're wanted to socially transition, so they wanted to dress up like say you had a a son wanted to dress up like a girl. Uh how much

Audrey (Cherry)would you give any push back? >> Yeah, I would make sure like Yeah. I mean, I feel like you should talk to them. They should go to a therapist. Like >> Yes. I think if your kid wants to transition like you should

Audrey (Cherry)>> Okay, so you have one con the kid just goes, "Hey, mommy. Um, I I think I'm a girl. I want to wear a dress. >> You tell I would I would talk to them and No, I would not let them dress like that right away. It would have to be an

Audrey (Cherry)on like going thing. Like every day they're asking me, "Hey, I want to wear this. I want to wear this. I want to wear." Then I would let them. If that's going to make them happy, but I'm not going to be like, "Oh, you want to wear a skirt? You're allowed to wear a skirt." No. If they want to and they're coming to me and crying to me like, I

Audrey (Cherry)want to like I'm not going to tell my kid they can't dye their hair or do something because >> Yeah, you can. You're the parent. I'm saying my as a what I'm worried about is if my kids a good person, not if they have pink [ __ ] hair. I don't care. >> Yeah, but as a parent, you you still have that authority over your children

Brian Atlasto be like, >> me. This is me, right? >> Okay, that's fine. Fine. You can let your 13-year-old dye their hair. That's fine. >> Yeah. Why? Who cares? >> Okay. But you're going to send them to therapy >> at one if they were coming to me. >> Are you

Brian Atlasokay? I think you question. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. But I guess the issue is they're going to go to a therapist who's been indoctrinated in this sort of uh thought and then the

Brian Atlastherapist is going to affirm their identity as a trans child. And of course the therapist is going to be like, "Well, I think that this is the right thing to do." Sometimes kids are just

Brian Atlashave a phase or they're confused. I don't honestly if I was a parent, uh who knows, maybe your kid ends up this way. You can wait to do anything until you're

Audrey (Cherry)18. But until then, no, you're not going to do any of that [ __ ] >> Yeah. I'm talking about like if they were coming to me for multiple years and it got to a point that I felt like I wasn't educated enough and like to be able to talk to them.

Audrey (Cherry)>> This is why you got to homeschool your kids. I think >> I'm just saying what I would do. Like I wouldn't >> get indoctrinated at the public schools in California. >> Yeah. I think it's ridiculous what's happening in schools right now. Like they're literally like making kids feel like that's what they are. Like they're

Audrey (Cherry)like, you know, a kid goes to a teacher and he's like, "I'm transgender." They say, "Yes, you are." No, they're not. Like that's ridiculous. I think that is ridiculous. There's points of it that are just too far and they've taken it

Brian Atlastoo far. Like they're >> It does seem sometimes this manifests out of like a so social component >> where they see something or they hear

Brian Atlassomething and then it sparks like an idea in their head. I think a lot of people have the experience, >> many people who don't even end up being transgender or anything really when they're older, have an experience of

Brian Atlasfeeling uncomfortable in their bodies >> uh when they're younger, especially when they're going through puberty. There's all sorts of discomforts and going to school is kind of weird and you know, how to navigate uh friends and you know,

Brian Atlasyou're starting to kind of get into dating and this sort of stuff. Uh, and then ultimately though, you you have these feelings and then often times they pass. But if you get going down a pipeline, you're potentially going to

Brian Atlasend up somewhere with a full-fledged set of beliefs that were kind of implanted in you by authority figures at the school, >> potentially parents who are not really

Audrey (Cherry)aware of some of the things that are going on, going to a therapist. >> Why does a 13-year-old need therapy? >> Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like at that point I think you're mis like it would be I would be talking to them

Audrey (Cherry)first telling them like like no like this is what and then if they came if yes if they came if they came to me from school and said mommy I'm a girl I'm not going to say you are a girl like because they're learning that from school but if they were coming to me every single day

Audrey (Cherry)saying crying to me couldn't go to like if that's who they felt then I would be like okay this is a little bit more serious I would talk like talk to them more and then if it got to a point where I felt like I need help like I would go and even I would go to maybe a family therapist like where I'm sitting in

Audrey (Cherry)there with them talking to them like maybe get them actual help to like either talk to them and like be like why do you feel this way? Not that you feel this way and you need to be this way. It's more like why do you feel this way? Is it because your friends are telling you? It's like that's why I'm saying instead of like shaming them for this

Audrey (Cherry)feeling, it's more like putting that feeling to the side and making sure that they're like just feel loved and that they're like it's okay. Like but if they're they're saying that they want to wear pink shoes, that's a different thing. Like it's one thing to present

Brian Atlasyourself more feminine and wanting to be actually a female, you know? >> They're two different things. Mhm. Okay. So, you take your your uh potentially trans Actually, you know,

Brian Atlasthe other thing I think is the kids that used to be goth, >> they're they're the ones that are trans now. >> I think part of it, look, there's genuinely trans people or whatever. I think there's just people who throughout

Brian Atlaslike there's different time periods where people participate in subcultures and >> and these sorts of things. >> And like the trans thing, that's like the new subculture. Like the goth kids

Brian Atlasfrom 20 years ago in the early 2000s and the late 90s, they would have been trans. They would have been trans. Like it's just there's always going to be like a cohort of kids that are just like kind

Renezof on the out uh the out not the outskirts, but >> Well, I think it has a lot to do with environment. Where did you grow up? Are you big city? Are you small town? Because if you go small town, you're

Renezmost likely not going to have these, >> you know, issues with school systems and having been programmed in a environment

Renezlike that. So again, this is like you can put someone in an environment and that is going to shift them and shift their beliefs. So you have to look at the environment where they're at.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> For sure. Uh was there any other disagreement that you had besides the trans thing? Is it still straight for you? That's >> stillraight. >> Even then, I didn't even really disagree with you. Like, I see what you're saying. It was just like I feel like I'm

Ellie (Fish Tank)more tolerant of it. Cuz if someone tells me their pronouns, I'm going to respect it whether I agree or not just because I want to make them feel happy. >> Like, I don't want to be disrespectful

Brian Atlasand like make them go home and be like, "Oh, that sucks." Like, I hate myself. Like, I would rather just >> play along. If I saw some some dude

Brian Atlasholding hands walking down the street with a clearly a trans woman >> like [ __ ] broader shoulders than me, [ __ ] Adam's apple, all this [ __ ] >> I'm not going to say any Okay, cool. There's a trans couple or whatever.

Brian Atlas>> Well, I won't say anything either, but >> but like in my head I'm like, well, okay, it's a dude and a trans woman. It's not straight, but I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to do anything. But like I'll say,

Brian Atlas>> but like if I'm having a conversation with somebody like two hours later, like I'm with, you know, I don't know, my friend, be like, "Yeah, that's not straight." If we were, we probably wouldn't even talk about it. But if we're looking at it from a bird's eye

Brian Atlasview level of like, "Okay, let's just have a conversation about what that is." No, I would say that that's not straight. >> Okay, >> that's fine. Yeah, >> but I'm not like chasing down trans people in the street. Like,

Brian Atlas>> your [ __ ] pronouns are definitely like, no, I don't I don't give a [ __ ] I'm not going to go bother a trans person, but like if we're sitting here at a table having the discussion, yeah, I'll tell you the truth. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> I just don't see how it could ever be straight. Like, I don't see how it could be straight. >> So, pansexual people is like more who >> Let me ask you this. If you somehow saw, I don't know, you somebody left their

Brian Atlasapartment window open and you saw what looked to be that you saw two penises. That's all you saw. There were two penises and one of them was sucking the the other penises. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> You would assume that that's would you say that that was gay? >> I would assume that's gay. Yeah. >> But then after you see that and you've made a determination like, whoa, that's

Brian Atlasdefinitely gay. And then they shout out the the the bedroom window, "Btw Becky, I identify as a woman." Do do you now revise your assessment of what you just

Brian Atlassaw and categorize it as a heterosexual act? >> No. >> Okay. All right. Good talk. >> All right. Uh, we have a super chat here. Go ahead, pull it up, Nick. Ellie,

Ellie (Fish Tank)read this. Chair two out of 2.5, you're suggesting it's good to proliferate and normalize this ideology while complaining about the direct effects on children caused by the ideology. You're reducing children's expected lifespans

Audrey (Cherry)for quote tolerance, acceptance, and happiness. >> Thank you, Penmaker, for the super chat. Do you want to respond to that super quickly? >> Um, yeah, that's why I would make sure that my kid is put in the right direction. And I think that I'm just

Audrey (Cherry)trying to make sure they're happy, but you're allowed to have your opinion. I think I think saying yes that they're a man or woman right when they come that's wrong. I think trying to take care of the problem is what you should do as a parent and do whatever you can to fix

Ellie (Fish Tank)it. >> Okay, we have Josh Brooks. Can you read this one? >> Let's stir it up. In your opinion, how do you think that the experiencing trauma in any aspect can and does change

Ellie (Fish Tank)arousal pathways? What types of traumatic events would correlate with this? >> Oh, with what kinks? >> What's that? Oh. Um, anybody want to weigh in on this? Anybody?

Par>> Um, I feel like if you have like a traumatic essay as a child, sometimes that in turn will say if you're like a guy and you have a traumatic experience

Parwith another guy when you're a child. I feel like sometimes guys will either go like with other guys when they're older and have kings with other guys sometimes because they're turned on by that

Parbecause they experienced that when they were younger and vice versa for like females. But that's not always the case >> in my opinion. >> Mhm. >> Or they like are homophobic because of it like they >> Yeah. because they experienced that when they were a kid.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> Yeah. I've noticed that more with like just like from anecdotal evidence, >> like sexual aversions, not so much kinks, but like being deterred away from certain things because of experiences

Brian Atlasyou've had in your childhood or your formative years, I guess. >> All right, cool. Thank you, Josh Brooks. Appreciate the message. All right, we're going to jump into

Brian Atlasuh Stifler asks, "Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10." stupid. >> You can't pick seven. Own looks on a scale of 1 to 10. You can't pick seven. Since you said it was stupid, you get to

Audrey (Cherry)go first. >> You did that last time. I'm not partaking cuz I think this segment's stupid. >> You got to partake. >> No, I don't. Um, >> I'm a 10, [ __ ] That's how clip that. >> All right. >> The fat [ __ ] says she's a 10. >> Going to Ellie. What about you? What do

Ellie (Fish Tank)you >> I think I'm a I'm a hard four. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah, like a high four. >> You are very pretty. You're not a sure. >> What about you? >> Five. >> Five and a half. >> My god.

Renez>> I was going to say like right now like an eight. >> Okay. What about you? >> Um I'd probably say like around a six. >> Okay. >> I'm going 10. I Why would I not? >> I'd say solid four, five.

Brian Atlas>> Oh my god. >> Felicity. >> What about you? Well, uh there's we have two very confident Oh, sorry. I'm a five. Uh we have two very confident women at the table here. Uh you know

Brian Atlaslook >> segment is so stupid. >> Sorry there's a >> you guys I'm sorry you guys are not tens. >> That's okay. >> You guys are Come on.

Audrey (Cherry)>> Come on. >> Neither of you are tensive want to do that. Like what do you get out of this Brian? By making this truth woman say she's a No. >> I didn't make her do anything. >> That's what I'm saying. Don't worry. >> No, I know, babe. But like you have to

Lunaask, you answer the question and then you had to think about it and be like, I'm a four. You're not a fork. Like I really >> No, I had that predetermined. My car right over here. I was like, let me think real hard. >> See, that's what I'm saying. >> You wanted to What's up? You want to win? >> Um I just feel like we should also just

Lunarespect their confidence. I feel like the number you >> I'm a confidence disrespecttor. >> I can sense that. Yeah. But I feel like >> uh

Luna>> it also just depends in the moment like what you're wearing, how you feel or are we rating holistically >> like natural beauty or >> just looks >> just looks like that's why I said

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> looks can be optics too and maybe maybe you're like looking real good on this show based off what you say >> and that can be looks. >> Keep going though. You had more. Um, I

Lunajust feel like like Ellie had said, it's completely based off the day and your how you're dressed, whether you've done your makeup or not. Like honestly, if

Lunalike when I'm going to bed, like if I take off my lashes and all my makeup, I don't necessarily feel like a 10. I would be like, "Okay, well, this is yes,

Lunathis is my natural beauty, but this is not like what I would call my peak." So you you have felt like a 10 before. >> Yes. >> Okay. But right now you said you you

Brian Atlasfeel like a six. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What what could you do like if you had more time I guess to put on makeup or do you have fake lashes right now? >> I do. >> You have them on right now. Okay. So those are already there. Is there like

Brian Atlasanything you could do in 30 minutes to up up it a little bit or not? >> Um honestly yeah. Like I kind of ran over here and I only did like blush and concealer and it's but if I were to do a

Brian Atlasfull face, I probably would feel a lot better confidence-wise. >> Okay. Um so to the two tens at the table, here's what I'd like. Uh so here's what we're going to do.

Brian Atlas>> Can you tell me a a woman who's like a celebrity who you think is a 10? >> That's the thing. Like who I don't even know. I don't >> We'll start with you since you like to

Brian Atlastake forever to get to the point. Uh, just tell us a female celebrity who you think is a >> 10 that >> Megan Fox. >> Megan Fox. Maybe young Megan Fox. I don't know. >> When she was in the Transformers movies or something, I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Megan Fox. Okay. >> I would say Megan Fox. She's a >> Megan Fox. You agree with Megan Fox? >> She's like a 10. >> Okay. So, to be clear,

Brian Atlas>> Megan Fox 10. You 10. You 10. So just your the entailment of your position is you guys are prepared to say that you're just as attractive as >> Megan Fox.

Brian Atlas>> That wasn't the question. >> Well, you said you were you said you're a 10. You said you're a 10. You said Megan Fox is a 10. I know you guys look differently. There's no dispute there. But you're just as attractive as Megan

Audrey (Cherry)Fox. >> That's not what I said. >> That's not what I said. >> Well, hold on. If >> I >> logically that would follow. >> I know. But you that's what I'm saying. You answered that question like the last

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