Brian DEBATES Perfect 10 Boss Babe On If Women Have Duties To Men?! | Dating Talk #254

Date: 2025-08-04

Duration: 7h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EEllie (Fish Tank)>

AAudrey (Cherry)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Par(guest)

SPEAKER_03Ma(guest)

SPEAKER_04Luna(guest)

SPEAKER_05Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_06Ellie (Fish Tank)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Renez(guest)

SPEAKER_13Audrey (Cherry)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced including Fish Tank contestant and MMA fighter

Key MomentAudrey: 3.5-year sexless relationship, partner had micropenis (holds up fingers showing 3 inches)

Key MomentBumble swipe session: Ellie 60% yes rate vs Luna 5% yes rate

Key MomentMa: BPD, 3 stalkers, labiaplasty regret (lost sensation, cries daily), ex's suicide selfie

Key MomentMa: labiaplasty surgeon removed too much, lost sensation, cries every day about it

QuoteBrian reads article: Movember charity redirected $160M to women's health with zero for men

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Fish Tank contestant Ellie, MMA fighter Par (4-0), pet girl Ma.

Pet Girl / Furry Identity

Ma describes pet girl identity, walking on leash TikTok.

Audrey 3.5-Year Sexless Relationship

Partner had micropenis. Gained weight. BBW community.

Trans/Gender Debate

Is dating trans woman gay? Brian argues biological sex basis. Audrey supports respect but opposes puberty blockers for minors.

Bumble Swipe Session

Ellie 60% yes rate. Luna 5% yes rate. Women's pickiness demonstrated.

Ma's Notes: Anarchism/BPD/Stalkers/Labiaplasty

BPD, 3 stalkers, pimp encounter, ex's suicide selfie, labiaplasty regret (lost sensation).

Manifesting Debate

Brian vs Renez on manifestation. Brian: pseudoscience. Audrey: useful tool.

Transcript

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Ellie (Fish Tank)education. Go ahead. >> Hi, my name is Ellie. I'm 18 years old. I'm from San Diego and I'm a student. >> Okay. Where where are you studying at? >> Um, high school. >> You're still in high school? >> I'm still in high school.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> Okay. Uh, you're a super senior or >> Okay. Well, I was put into school late, so it's not totally my fault. I still am pretty stupid, though. So, >> you're going into your So, you're going into your senior year.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> A little bit of a correspondence. Yes, I am going into my senior year. And um Okay. Are you planning to go to college after or >> Yes, I am. >> Okay. And you were recently featured on Fish Tank where

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> that I was. >> Uh explain that to the some of the viewers don't know what that is. Explain that to us. >> Uh it's a 247 live streamed show uh

Ellie (Fish Tank)where we do some challenges in order to win a grand prize. And a lot like this, we get sent TTS. We get sent what what are called fish toys, which are kind of

Ellie (Fish Tank)like your champagne poppers or whatever, where they can uh silence us by putting a bag over our heads or like I don't know, stealing our beds or mattresses. Lots of fun stuff.

Brian Atlas>> Maybe we should introduce something like that, too. If if anybody sends in >> punishments, >> uh if anybody sends in a $200 TTS in the next five minutes, you get to select who who >> Wait, >> what?

Brian Atlas>> Oh, no. >> Who wear for for a period of 10 minutes wears a minute? >> You get the dunce hat and it has a helicopter on top and it spins. So, uh

Brian Atlasyou know, if anybody you want to see Ellie wear the dunce hat for 10 minutes. >> Oh my god. >> Send in the TTS. Okay. specify who you want though. Uh, so, okay. And when was that? When was Fish Tank?

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> It was a couple weeks ago. Uh, it aired July 13th. >> July 13th. Okay. >> No, June 13th. Yeah. >> Okay. And is there somebody who wins it or how does that work? >> Well, there winner. Yes, there usually

Ellie (Fish Tank)is a winner, but our season kind of got cut short. Uh, I won't go into too much on why. >> Oh, yeah. >> Is it like toos or >> um kind of Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. vaguely. >> All right, we don't have to get into it then. Uh, okay, cool. Did you uh enjoy it, though? Was a good experience. >> I had a blast. Sounds fun. >> Rock and roll. Rock and roll. All right.

Audrey (Cherry)>> What about you? >> Um, I'm Audrey. I'm 23. Um, I do a bunch of stuff at work. Makeup, prosthetic stuff. Um, right now I'm not in school, but planning to be a mortician at one point in my life.

Audrey (Cherry)>> T. Yeah. >> Sorry. 23. You said >> 23. >> 23. >> Yes. the right >> planning to be a mortician. >> Yeah, I went to school for it and I like really wanted to do it. Um but then life

Audrey (Cherry)happened and I was taking care of my mom. So I want to do some type of education thing and that is what I have always wanted to do. So hopefully at one point >> I'll be doing your grandma's makeup >> people.

Brian Atlas>> I not yet but I will. I wonder. >> Okay. You're still figuring that part out I guess. Okay cool. And uh so are you in college or anything like that or >> not right now but mortician school

Macoming up. >> Okay, gotcha. All right. What about you? >> Hi, I'm Ma. I'm 27. I came here from Vegas. I'm a registered behavior technician. >> Okay.

Ma>> And I have my bachelor's in psychology from UNLV. I might get my master's this year. I don't know. >> Okay. Educated queen. >> Yes. We love it. >> All right. Uh, and do you do you do content

Macreation too or? >> Yes, I used to just for fun. Just for fun, you know. >> What were you doing? >> What? >> What were you doing for >> mostly like fashion, makeup? Yeah, just

Mabeing silly. >> I mean, you also did a lot. >> Yeah, we Let's not talk about it right now. >> It's still linked. >> You still have it linked to Well, you

Maknow, just Yeah. I don't know. You don't know what >> it's up there. I take it down sometimes. I'm very like a wishy-washy person. >> So, you're not currently actively doing

Brian Atlasit is what you're saying. >> Sometimes. >> When's the last time you posted? >> Um, I actually haven't posted. It's just like when people DM me. >> Well, you send them what? Like, what is it called? Paper paper views or

Brian Atlaswhatever. >> Okay. When's the last time you Yeah, I haven't done a pay-per-view in like a year. people message you and you talk to them for free. >> No, it depends. >> Okay.

Ma>> Yeah. >> Should you want to elaborate a little bit or >> I just don't know what I'm doing. So that's it. >> What do you mean? >> In life. >> In life in general. Yeah. I don't I'm

Malike Barbie. I have 50 careers and I'm trying to figure out what I'm trying to focus on right now. So yeah. >> Understood. >> Okay. Um You uh I I saw in one of them that you

Audrey (Cherry)described yourself as Hold on. >> Oh gosh, >> you said it. >> Stand on it. >> You Hold on one sec. Let me get it.

Brian Atlas>> Oh god, he's searching. >> So you have Okay, you have the bachelor's in psychology. You were or are a behavioral therapist. >> Uhhuh. >> Uh I saw on a TikTok of you being walked on a leash in public. Yeah.

Ma>> Okay. >> I love that for you. >> It's like a music video. It's art to me. That's cute. >> Okay. You describe yourself as a pet girl. >> That Okay. >> Who loves Wait. Who loves head pats? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> And there's something else, but I'm not going to say that. Um, so do you identify as a dog? >> Oh my god. >> What? >> Like a Yes. You know how people like

Maidentify as an animal or whatever? >> Yeah. So, um, sometimes, but that's like a mental illness. It's like a dissociative identity disorder.

Ma>> Yeah. >> But so, are you >> a furry? >> Yeah, I guess. >> I like I like cat ears, but I don't have a suit. It's too expensive and it's not my alley. >> Yeah, I forgot my

Ma>> So, you're What is a Okay, but a pet girl is what? What's a pet girl? You you don't want to be like someone's pet taken care of, you know, fed. >> It's like a subdom thing. >> Yeah, it's a sub. Yeah, it's like a sub. >> Right. But is it like are you role

Maplaying as an animal? I guess >> not. Not really. But like I have like this. >> But you were walked on a leash. >> But that's not I wasn't wearing cat ears or a tail or anything like >> And also the leash wasn't around the neck. It was like around your waist.

Brian Atlas>> How'd you find that? >> I think it was on your TikTok or something. >> But I have like five. >> Yeah, it was on your Tik Tok. >> All right. Well, I hope it blows up. >> He does research before. >> Okay, cool. Um, all right. Well, uh, >> thank you.

Ma>> Have you ever like walked on all fours on the leash? >> No, not that much. It's just like a little bit, you know. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Don't kink shame.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> I wasn't king shame. >> I'm not an animal. >> Good to know. What about you? >> Okay. My name is Jillian. I am 23. I'm from Dallas. I'm a waitress and I also

Ellie (Fish Tank)go to school for a psychology at I graduate next semester. And >> you're getting your bachelor's in arts, bachelor's in science. What are you getting? >> Bachelor's in science for psychology. >> All right, rock and roll. What about

Lunayou? >> Um, hi, my name is Luna. I'm 19. I'm from Los Angeles and I am a secondyear psychology student at UC Santa Barbara. >> All right. W uh, welcome. And what part of LA are you from?

Brian Atlas>> Uh, like Culver City. >> Culver City. Got it. Okay, cool. And this is so you're going into your second year or third year. >> Yes, my second year. >> Second year at UCSB. You said studying psychology. >> Yes.

Renez>> Rock and roll. What about you? >> Hey, I'm Renez. Um I'm I think I'm probably the oldest one here. Um prefer not to say my age. Uh >> you look great.

Brian Atlas>> But do you prefer not to say your age because you think you're the oldest one here or even if there was somebody older than you here, you would still prefer to

Reneznot say your age? So, I prefer not to say my age only because um >> I don't I don't love giving dates if I don't have to. It's >> very much like >> we don't need like you were born.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> You know, October 15th in 1973. We don't need that. Just uh how old you are? >> Older.

Renez>> Uh okay. Um, anyway, so, uh, I'm a spiritual wellness entrepreneur. Um, so I >> If I'm older than you, do you think I'm

Brian Atlasolder than you? How How old are you? >> I don't know. I mean, I we're probably maybe close. >> I'm just curious like if you go on a date with somebody, do you not tell them your age or?

Renez>> No. Um, yeah. I mean, obviously I disclose once um I feel like uh I want to spend time with this person. No, but like uh are you on any dating apps for example?

Brian Atlas>> Okay. How do you typically meet people? >> Um out and about. >> Okay. So if somebody came up to you and they start chatting you up or whatever and they're like, "Oh, how old are you?" You'd be like, "I'm not don't know you

Audrey (Cherry)well enough. Not comfortable enough sharing that information. >> Oh yeah, totally." >> You wouldn't tell them. >> No. >> Do you want to give us a range? Like were you alive during the >> You look so good. So, like no matter how

Brian Atlasold you are, it's going to be >> Was Reagan president while you were alive? >> Yes. Yes. >> First term. >> First term or second terms? >> Oh god. >> Wait, how many terms did

Brian Atlas>> did Reagan do? >> Oh my gosh.

Brian Atlas>> Were you born in the 70s?

Brian AtlasI grew up in the 80s. All right. You're in your You're in your 40s. >> Okay. Are you in your 40s? Are you in your 40s? >> Mhm.

Par>> All right. There we go. Whatever. I'll accept it. >> I'll accept it. 49. All right. What about you? >> Um, hi. My name is Par. I am 21. I am a MMA fighter from Arkansas and I'm

Brian Atlaspursuing a bachelor's degree in health and wellness and then minoring in exercise science at University of Arkansas in Little Rock. >> Gotcha. Sorry, I was still >> just wrapping my head around the the

Brian Atlasprevious unknown. You're you're you said 21, right? Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. And you do MMA? >> Mhm. >> Uh have you had any professional fights? >> I'm an amateur right now. >> Amateur? Yeah. >> How many fights have you had?

Par>> I've had four and I am undefeated. undefeated. >> Everything. >> Thank you. >> And uh what's your do you have like a specific martial art that you specialize in or

Par>> um I'm pretty much allound. My coach has really just coached me to be an all-around fighter because it's called mixed martial arts. So >> caret I mean I don't like when people

Parare like, "Oh, you're just a striker. You're just a ground girl." No, I can do stand up. I can go to the ground. >> Yeah. >> Just whatever. But you know how like a lot of the fighters have a foundation and like either they came from wrestling or they came from

Par>> I didn't come from anything. I came from just regular sports and I kind of just put myself in debt. >> Do you have a belt in jiu-jitsu? >> Yes, I am a purple belt. I just got it um like a month ago. So >> sweet. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> And you you compete in jiu-jitsu also? >> Uh-huh. Sometimes. Mhm. >> Gotcha. No ghee. Ghee. >> No ghee and ghee. >> Okay. Very cool. Very cool. All right. Um,

Brian Atlashave you, uh, >> how do you typically, you know, defeat your opponents? Is it decision? >> So, >> knockout, TKO, submission.

Par>> On my debut, like my first ever fight, I got a knockout, which I was pretty proud of. And I've done some kickboxing matches, which went to decision. All the judges scored for my corner. And then my

Parlast fight, um, I got a submission. And I got a rear naked choke. I don't know if y'all know what that is. It's just like >> you choke. You choke. So >> I got that my last bite. >> Nice.

Felicity>> Wow. >> Good [ __ ] >> Okay. Felicity. What about you? >> My name is Felicity. I'm 19 from Santa Barbara and I work for the whatever podcast. >> All right. School or anything or?

Brian Atlas>> Uh yeah, I'm studying business. >> And what's your nickname? >> Felicity. Taylor Drift. >> Yeah, Taylor Drift. All right. Um, it's it got reposted recently. I saw

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, I've been getting a lot of followers from that. >> All right, cool. Well, welcome everybody. We've got a good show in store. We're going to go around the Actually, wait, we got to do uh the the Discord hookup. All right, guys. So, it's discord.gg/ whatever. We're going to gift uh you know.

Brian Atlas>> Ready? >> Yep. All right. So, let's see here. Uh you know what? Uh scroll up. Scroll up.

Brian AtlasMarriage causes divorce. Okay. All right. >> This is not too many people joined. So, uh >> technically, I guess. >> Uh okay. Give it to

Brian AtlasH.

Brian AtlasInteresting. Interesting. You know what? We're going to give it to Scroll back up.

Brian AtlasMarriage causes divorce. Congratulations on your gifted role. Nope. Nope. Ad roll. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Uh, soldier or sorry, recruit. Yeah. All right. Welcome to the Discord,

Brian Atlasman. Appreciate it. Okay. So, going around the table once more, what's your current relationship status? Are you single? Talking stage relationship, whatever. If you're single, how long have you been single? And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in? Go ahead.

Brian Atlas>> I am single and I have never not been single. Okay. >> Oh, sorry. My brain just didn't register. >> Uh, so you've never had the boyfriend? Okay. Have you ever had anything with a

Ellie (Fish Tank)guy? >> Um, I mean I've had crushes if that counts, but like I mean, if you count I don't like calling them talking stages if I've like texted. >> Mhm.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> But like I know I've never been on a date. I've never held hands. I'm pretty like >> kiss. >> That's so cute. >> No kiss. Nothing. Wow. Okay. Cool. >> Um, are you me? >> Oh. Um, well, I guess just

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> you're looking at me like it was my turn. So, >> um, are you looking for anything right now? Just trying to finish up high school, I guess. >> I mean, my guardians would like me to focus staunchly on school, which is

Ellie (Fish Tank)understandable. Um, but I mean, love is in the air, right? It's all around us. I think I want to date for marriage. Seriously. Okay. And if that comes along

Brian Atlasthe way, then so be it. >> You mentioned guardians. So are you adopted? >> No, my sister is my guardian. >> Okay. >> Um, but I heard guardians plural. Do you

Ellie (Fish Tank)have another guardian? >> Well, I mean her and her partner, but >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> What's the story there? >> Well, my mom is a homeless meth addict and I got removed from her when I was

Ellie (Fish Tank)like 13. >> Okay. And my dad lives in Hawaii working. >> You've met him though, >> of course. Yes. I'm not completely fatherless. >> What uh

Ellie (Fish Tank)was the home intact originally? >> Like were your parents married? >> Yes, they were. >> Okay. Um and they got divorced. >> They got divorced. Sorry, I uh

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> Yeah, it's all good. >> It was a little bit vague. Um, yeah, they were they had it pretty rough for a while and then they split up when I was like eight and my mom had custody of me, but then

Brian Atlas>> she did some silly stuff and I wound up with my sister. >> When you say silly stuff, you mean like >> I mean drug abuse. >> Okay. You said meth. Yes. Meth and fetamine. >> Anything else?

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> Not that I know of. >> Just the Had had she been using even in your childhood or was that like a new development? It was like a resurfacing development. She like had some run-ins apparently when she was like a teenager,

Brian Atlasbut then >> So, she had some problems when she was younger. Yeah. Then she sounds like she got sober, but then she fell back into addiction. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And your dad, was he a user or no? >> No, he was not. >> Not a user. >> Dad's a great guy. They're both great

Brian Atlaspeople. >> Okay. So, they split up. And you said you had one older sister? >> Yes. Half sister. >> And any other siblings or that's it? >> That's it. >> Okay. So, you live with your sister? Yes. How old is she? >> 32.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> Oh, 32. >> It's quite a quite a gap. >> 15 and a half years. >> How old uh how old were your parents when they had you? >> When they had me, my mom was 30. I'm not sure how old my dad was.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, your mom had your sister when she was like 18 then? Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. Teenage pregnancy. Are you trying to follow in your mother's footsteps? not trying to unless >> get married though, you know, like

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> if I want to end up in a box on the side of the road. If that's my 5-year plan, then maybe I'll follow in her footsteps, but it's not looking like that right now. >> Gotcha. Okay. So, you have uh you live

Brian Atlaswith your sister and her partner. >> Yes. Husband. >> Oh, okay. Thought Sorry. >> Maybe it was like a lesbian relationship. Feel like sometimes when people say partner, they might >> She's very dra.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Uh and so, okay. Never dated anybody. never had a first kiss, never held hands. >> Uh you said you wanna you want to wait till marriage or you're you're marriage-minded is

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> I mean I haven't really put that much thought into it just because it hasn't been like put in front of me too much but I'm feeling like I want to wait till marriage. I think like that's a pretty >> valued thing to me personally.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> Are you Christian? >> I'm vaguely religious so like I'm afraid of eternal damnation. But >> so which religion are you vaguely associated with? >> Probably Christianity. I mean that's the

Brian AtlasKorean thing. So >> you're Korean? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Fold. >> No. Half >> half. Is your >> My mom's Korean? >> Dad's >> Vietnamese.

Audrey (Cherry)>> Okay. Gotcha. What about you? >> Um single right now and not looking to be anything else at all. >> Gotcha. >> Can I just I forgot to do this uh before

Brian Atlasthe show. Can I have you just tilt your mic down just a tad? Uh, so you're single, not looking for anything. No. >> You recently got out of a relationship though, is that right? >> Yeah. Still traumatized. >> It was like a 3 and 1/2 year relationship, something like that.

Audrey (Cherry)>> Yeah, it was like the craziest whirlwind. Love him. Love you. But um like good guy. Really good guy. Just like so insecure, so jealous. Never let me do anything. >> He was

Audrey (Cherry)>> so insane. Like Yeah. Um because I'm not jealous at all. Like at all. I've never >> been jealous. So, um it just didn't mix. Like he wanted me to yell at him. He wanted me to be like, "Why did that girl

Audrey (Cherry)stare at you?" Like, I'm just not like that, you know? And he was too much. So, we didn't match. >> You guys would go out into public together and he would hope that you would

Audrey (Cherry)>> scold him for looking other. >> Like, we would like Yeah. And I'm very talkative and a flirty person naturally. Like, so I felt like I couldn't even be myself. Like if I was talking to other men and even women cuz I like women and even women. He was like a girl would compliment my makeup and he's like, "Oh,

Audrey (Cherry)you're trying to do something with her." I'm like, "What the heck?" Like they're not not everyone's gay, you know? So like it was that level of like every single person he thought I was trying to flirt with. So >> And you said it was a sexless relationship. >> Okay. Yes, it was. That's what you

Audrey (Cherry)wrote. >> I Yes, we talked about I had talked about it last time. >> Yeah. Just new people, you know. >> Yes. Yes. It was he hadn't it wasn't workable. So, we didn't I was in love with him. What can I say?

Audrey (Cherry)>> I don't want to talk about it anymore because I felt bad. He It didn't work because it wasn't big enough to use, you know. So, and I fell in love with him before I found out his penis. Yes. >> The penis. >> Yes. The penis. >> But it's all that doesn't

Audrey (Cherry)>> not the appropriate size. >> But I was like I And I like >> Are you sure it was >> Yes. He keeps saying it's because I'm fat. It's not cuz I'm fat. >> I didn't say that. >> You said it. You said it last time. You You literally He went like this. He

Audrey (Cherry)said, "Do we have to go like this to have sex?" Lifting up. Yeah, you did. >> I didn't say that. >> Yes, you did. Oh, you didn't say it, but you f Yes, >> I was. >> Mhm. He did say that. Rewatch the clip. >> Fake news. >> Not fake news.

Audrey (Cherry)>> Fake news. Disavow. >> It's okay, though. Fat people have sex >> here. Um, using this uh >> Oh my god. Brian, >> can you show us? >> You need to stop. >> Just >> if I do it, can we stop talking? If I do

Audrey (Cherry)this, we'll stop talking about this right after. 100%. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Well, hold it so we can see the number. >> Three. >> Hold it. >> Three. >> Three. >> Yes.

Audrey (Cherry)>> And an inch of it. Well, we're not going to I don't want to go into detail. Actually, >> all right. >> He's a great guy. Amazing guy. Best guy I've ever met. But, >> you know, it's below average, but

Audrey (Cherry)>> maybe there were >> No. No. You can't. Even if you're skinny, what what are you going to do with that? Was he a skinny guy? Was he skinny? >> It was That's why I'm saying even if he had a schlong, it probably wouldn't have

Audrey (Cherry)worked either way cuz like I said, two fats don't work together. But >> no, like even if you're skinny, 3 in is not going to be [ __ ] >> How he was a big >> He was big. He was big. Yes. Like he

Audrey (Cherry)Yes, he was big. We were like I was He was bigger than me at the time. He's probably like He was probably like I don't know. He was big. >> Yeah, >> he was big. >> Damn. >> Yeah. And I can't don't you can't date a fat person when you're fat. It just doesn't physically work.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> So, >> so do you just date like skinny guys or >> skinny buff sexy men? Yes, that's my tech. >> And do you find do they um do they >> What >> have you ever encountered a feeder is

Audrey (Cherry)what I'm trying to ask. >> Yeah, I told you about that last time. Yes. Yes. What's your question about that? Have I ever? Yes, I have. >> So, he just What would he do? Just bring you food and >> No, I don't date cuz that's the thing.

Audrey (Cherry)Like there's I'm just fat cuz I'm fat. You know what I mean? I'm not like one of those fat people which I love love love you all. But there's things called like feeders and feederism and stuff like that which like men are sexually attracted to making women fat. Like there's even a thing called death

Audrey (Cherry)feederism which is like they want them to die. They want them to be so fat that they can't take care of themselves. They can't wipe their ass. Like they want to take care of them. It's like a thing. So if you're in that relationship, get the

Audrey (Cherry)[ __ ] out, okay? Cuz that is crazy. So, I I don't support that because I mean I support everyone's fetishes, but when it comes to like that is just ridiculous to like want to make someone not be able to move like that's crazy. You're >> I think I dated a feeder once. Like she was trying to get me trying to get you

Audrey (Cherry)fat. >> Yeah. That's actually blame like about 10 15 lbs on her. >> Well, that's my ex-boyfriend. The one he wasn't a feeder, but I mean he was like he wanted me to be bigger because he wanted no one to want me. So, like I did gain most of my weight in that

Audrey (Cherry)relationship cuz he was fat. It was like two alcoholics living together. Don't date a fat person if you're fat. Don't. >> It's bad. Yeah. I'm just let putting a warning out there for for my fellow

Brian Atlasfats. >> Yeah. That's uh that's that's a bit of a a situation. >> Yes. >> When there's two fat people. >> Yes.

Audrey (Cherry)>> And then you all you do is like you both are into that. So then you do that like you go out and buy food and then he would like bring me food all the time. And like that was like our activity. And I didn't think because I was so madly in love. I'm like, "Oh, who cares?" Like, it's just you don't kind of like realize

Audrey (Cherry)like food is like also it's your health. Like, you know what I mean? I wasn't even like putting two together. I was like, "Oh, who cares? Like, I'm in love. This man loves me. Like, who cares if I'm fat as fuck?" Like, it's a problem. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you have to realize it's about your health, too. It's not just about like the way

Brian Atlasyou look and if a man will date you, you know? Do you think a lot of guys lowkey want like they they have a thing for >> fat people? >> For rotunded women.

Audrey (Cherry)>> You're allowed to say fat. It's not offensive. Um and are you saying do people have a type for that? >> Absolutely. >> You know how like some guys are down low like they're gay? >> It's not down. Are there some guys? So,

Brian AtlasI just got back from Stop >> on the DL. Just have a thing for >> for Reubenesque >> fat people. Yes. Women. Um, >> yes. I just came back from the Vegas

Audrey (Cherry)bashes, which is like it's a literally a bash for fat people. Like, it's called a BBW bash, and I um they use my photos to promote them and stuff. So, that's actually what I do for work, too. But, and it's like the men there are like 10

Audrey (Cherry)out of 10. Like, people don't understand fat girls can get whoever they want when they like in that realm. Like there's people who are famous in my DMs, rappers, whatever. Like people don't understand. It's like a huge thing. They might be insecure about it, which is

Audrey (Cherry)understood like because of the way the world is. Like people hate fat people and that's just what it is. But lots of people are proud like we'll hold my hand in public. Won't care. You know, >> you said rappers. Uh you got some rappers in

Audrey (Cherry)>> I don't drop names though, but my DMs are crazy. >> Yes. >> Are they prominent rappers? >> Any Yeah. Prominent? >> I have over over Kendrick. >> Kendrick. Not like Kendrick, but like 3 million followers and above. Like >> Okay. >> Pretty

Audrey (Cherry)>> top top 40. >> Yeah. >> On the charts >> for sure. One of them like is really popping right now. Yeah. >> I don't say names. >> Young Gravy. >> Yeah. >> He was had a little thing with Chloe. >> I know. I saw that. Yeah. But Chloe and

Audrey (Cherry)me are not on the same. If he likes Chloe, he doesn't like me. She's like >> Never say never. >> Well, that's true because there's also people who are just like into women, you know? >> Yeah. So, like there's people who like like me and they just like me cuz I'm a good person and whatever, but

Audrey (Cherry)>> yeah, you don't have to have a fat fetish to date a fat girl. Like sometimes you just fall in love, you know? >> And are you uh are you trying to like lose weight or >> So I I was even bigger than that. Like I gained a lot of weight in that

Audrey (Cherry)relationship and I lost lost it. I lost like 70 lbs. Yeah, I was bigger than this. And then I maintained it because I'm going to do a TV show for a weight loss. So they kind of want me to stay fat, which so I'm just like maintaining

Audrey (Cherry)but like exercising a lot so I can still do stuff but um yeah I'm like very mobile and all that stuff. I'm just fat, you know. I do I do [ __ ] all the time. >> Sweet. What about you?

Ma>> I'm in a relationship and the longest I've dated is four years. >> Okay. Uh how long have you been in the current relationship? >> Three

Brian Atlasyears. Three years. Okay. uh when we had reached been talking for a year or two uh finally got you on. You were in a relationship when you initially reached out. I'm assuming it's the same one. Same guy.

Ma>> Yeah. >> Okay. The four-year relationship. Who broke up with who? >> Before my relationship. >> Uh the fouryear. You said you had a fouryear. Who broke up with you? >> I guess I moved. I mean I broke up cuz I

SPEAKER_07had to move to Vegas and we just didn't work out. >> Okay. Rock and roll. Uh hold on. And we have a chat coming through here from Jacob. Thank you, man. >> Jacob Joseph donated $199. >> Appreciate it, man.

SPEAKER_07>> To Brian and the entire panel, would you rather fight a naked man or fight a man naked? >> And would you rather fight a naked woman or fight a woman naked? >> Oh, I get it. Okay, I get >> it. >> And would you rather fight a naked woman

Brian Atlasor fight? >> That's a stupid question. >> I would want them to be clothed >> and you naked. Yeah, because we got jiu-jitsu girl over here, you know, if they got a collar on, like you can do,

Brian Atlasyou know, you can start pulling on the collar a little bit. Do some [ __ ] judo [ __ ] Some [ __ ] you know, choke. There's some chokes you can do with, you know, so she knows, she knows what I'm talking about. So you're naked. There's better. >> It's easier easier that you know when

Brian Atlasyou ever seen guys either posturing fight or they do end up fighting and they take their shirt off, they do it for a reason because the the shirt can be grabbed on to either create leverage or you can pull that [ __ ] over them in some ways. So

Brian Atlas>> yeah, it's better to be the naked person. Well, maybe I should let you guys answer that before. But um so going around the table really quick. Uh would you rather >> so stupid? >> Uh you guys answer the woman one. So,

Ellie (Fish Tank)would you rather fight a naked woman or fight a woman naked? >> In both scenarios, I think I would want the other person to be naked just because I'd be so embarrassed. I think if I was naked, I'd be more worried

Brian Atlasabout being naked than fighting. And also, I'd just accept my fate. I'd like curl up. That's a good point. >> Protect the neck. >> Is I'm assuming this is happening in a vacuum where there's nobody else around.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> No, I'm imagining this is on the street. >> On the street, there's Okay, now I'm rethinking. It could be judo girl that knows no gi. So now the lapels don't even matter. Like it's all coming loose.

Audrey (Cherry)>> What do you pick? >> I don't know. I would rather be clothed. Like >> Yeah, I want to be clothed. Yeah. >> I'd rather be naked. >> You want to be naked? >> Yeah. It'd be freeing like animalistic. There you go.

Renez>> Um I think I'd rather be clothed. >> Rather be clothed. What about you? >> Uh I think I'd rather be naked. I think it's the safest >> into the mic. >> Sorry. Say safest is to be naked. Okay. >> Clothed.

Brian Atlas>> Sweet. Thank you, Jacob, for that >> that riveting question. Uh, okay. We were I think we finished up with you. What about you? Relationship. >> I am in a relationship. It's pretty new. Like two months.

Ellie (Fish Tank)>> Two months. Okay. >> And my longest relationship was like 3 four years. >> Okay. When did that end? >> Um, like

Brian AtlasNovember. October. November of last year. Okay. How long have you known your current boyfriend? >> Uh, since January, March, like March. >> How did you guys meet? >> We worked together.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, where? >> We are both servers. >> Okay. Gotcha. >> Yeah. >> All right, cool. What about you? >> Um, I'm currently single. >> Yeah.

Luna>> All right. How long you been single for? >> Uh, probably since senior year. So, uh,

Brian Atlasa year. Wait, hold on. >> Like two years technically. >> So, you have had a relationship though? >> Yes. >> Okay. How long did that last?

Brian Atlas>> Uh, probably like 6 months. >> 6 months. So, that was in high school. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Been single 2 years. Did you go to like prom together or?

Luna>> No. So, he was actually a year younger than me. Okay. >> And um I actually didn't end up going to my prom. I went to another school's prom

Brian Atlas>> as as a date for somebody else or >> I went as friends with >> Oh, you went you went with friends. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Was it you went as friends with with a guy or just like a group of girls? >> With a guy.

Luna>> Oh, did he think it was as friends? >> No, he knew the um he knew the guy that I was going with. They played volleyball against each other. >> Wait.

Brian Atlas>> And it was our rival school. >> Wait, this was when you were dating your high school boyfriend? >> Yeah. >> Wait, you went to While you were dating a guy, you went to prom with a rival? >> Oh my god.

Luna>> I promise you it's not that bad. I've known the other guy since I was like seven. >> The guy you went to prom with? >> Yes. >> Okay. You guys are friends basically. >> Yeah, we're like really close friends.

LunaIs he secretly crushing on you though or was he? >> I would hope not. Um, his behavior at prom didn't really seem like it. So, >> okay. So, just friendly.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh, in any case, you've been uh single for 2 years. Who broke up with who in the six-month relationship? Um, I think it was more mutual because I was

Lunamoving away and he would still be in high school and I feel like >> Go ahead. >> Sorry. I feel like coming into college in a relationship can be a little

Lunadifficult cuz I feel like in your freshman year it's best to kind of branch out and meet new people. And some boyfriends can find that like

Lunadifficult because if you're meeting like other people that are guys, it's a little awkward. >> Okay. Um, so you guys broke up at the end of your senior year? >> Yes.

Luna>> Okay. Cuz you were going off to college. Um, are you in a sorority? >> I am not. >> Not in a sorority. Okay. Are you planning to join a sorority? >> Um, or I might rush. I actually have a

Lunabet going on with my friend. Um cuz I told him about the idea of rushing and he's in a frat so he thought it would be good for me, but I honestly like no hate

Lunaif anyone's in a sorority, but I find them kind of useless. Maybe fraternities are one thing, but sororities I feel like you can still get into any party. You can meet all new people. Um, but

Brian Atlasit's kind of different if you're in a frack cuz it's like you can't get into other parties and the networking is better. >> Got it. Okay. And so you had you just

Brian Atlashad finished up your uh freshman year at UCSB and number one party school in the United States. Uh did you see any guys during this time, you know, go on dates

Lunaor any more casual anything like that? >> I had a few little like almost dating situations. Okay.

Luna>> Um, I came in here and I didn't really know anyone that was going here cuz no one from my high school went to SB.

Luna>> Um, but there was this one guy. He's he was a third year which probably would have been my first red flag, honestly. >> Why is that?

Lunaa third year hitting on a freshman is a little I find that a little alarming, but I feel like once you're in college, the age gap doesn't necessarily matter

Lunaas much. But he was really great. We went on a lot of dates. But he kind of expected me to like be a

Lunastayathome mom and to cook and clean for him. And when I brought up the fact that I wanted to work and I wanted to like make my own money and be independent to myself,

Lunahe kind of shot that idea down. And he was like, "No, like I'll take care of you." Which is great,

Luna>> but it just wasn't my thing. And >> he is also in a fraternity. Um, >> so he was actually getting with other

Lunagirls while we were dating >> who are also freshmen. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Um, so you said that he wanted you to like you guys weren't living together though. >> No, but I would spend some nights like

Lunaat his >> Did you live at the frat house? >> Yes. Which is a horrible place. If you guys are anywhere near Frat Man, never stay there. I promise you it is

Lunadisgusting. Literally one of the worst housing situations I've ever been in. >> How many? Because oftentimes they just pack people into the rooms. Did he have a bunch of roommates? >> Uh he only had one and he would go home

Brian Atlasevery weekend to see his girlfriend. So >> Okay. Gotcha. But so it sounded like he wanted like a kind of a traditional dynamic >> Yeah. >> with you. >> So what were some of the things again

Lunathat he wanted? Can you repeat those? He expected me to just be there for him to cook and clean and to just support him and whatever, but I

Lunagrew up really independent and I always wanted to like make my own money and like have my own life, but he really wanted me to just literally be attached

Brian Atlasto his hip and be with him everywhere. >> Oh, so he wanted to hang out all the time. >> Yeah. And so was there an expectation that like you clean his room and stuff? I mean

Luna>> Oh yes. Um >> so you cleaned his >> frat room? >> I >> Oh actually cleaned his room a few times cuz he would be like, "Oh, the boys are

Lunaplaying like die right now or like Tails like I got to go. Like it's brotherhood event." And I was like, "Okay, cool. Like I'm going to go home." home and he was like he was like, "Oh yeah, but like really quick, can you just like pick up

Lunalike the boys might come in here?" Cuz his room was necessarily what we would call the chum room, which is just the room where all the frat brothers would be in and they just talk and they like hang out in there.

Luna>> Mhm. >> Um I don't know why I did it. I probably shouldn't have, but yeah, it was a really interesting decision made by me.

Luna>> How many times would you do you think you cleaned his room? probably like three or four times. >> Okay. And you would you cook for him? >> No. I would never step foot in there >> in fat kitchen.

Brian Atlas>> In the frat kitchen, it's like dirty pans, dishes all over the sink, rotting food. It was >> nice. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh but I mean, you both are pretty young. He You said he was talking about

Brian Atlaswanting you to stay home and have kids, but I assume that would be down the road, right? >> Yes. But since he was older, he wanted to kind of like

Lunalike kind of fit by whatever I'm on. So he was like, "Oh, I'll move to LA, get a job there, like so when you come home like we can be together and like stay in touch and whatever." Cuz he's from San

LunaDiego. >> Okay, gotcha. And what were the other, I guess, traditional things that he wanted? um he was super big on social

Lunamedia, so he kind of expected me to like post him and like kind of make it known that I'm with him. Um which was fine. And he would ask me like if I went

Lunaanywhere that wasn't my class, he'd be like, "Where are you? Who are you with?" Um just kind of like, "What are you doing?"

LunaAnd I have a lot of guy friends, which might be a huge issue, but I thought it went both ways. I respected him cuz since he's in a frat, he has a lot of

Lunasorority friends. So, I was like, "Yeah, like you can have your girlfriends and I can have my guy friendss." I was more than happy to introduce them to each

Lunaother. They actually got along pretty well. like even though we don't really talk anymore, like he still hangs out with them a lot. So, >> Okay. And how long were you seeing him

Lunaagain? >> Um, it really wasn't Okay. So, we went out for 3 months and then we stopped talking and we started talking again for another two months and then I ended it

Luna>> and then that was it. >> And that was it. >> Okay. And you said he cheated on you? >> Yes. which I found out after we broke up because a lot of the girls, a lot of his sorority friends actually told me and

Lunathey'll be like, "Oh, wait. I don't want to name drop, but oh, like >> I saw that like you and him were always together. Like, were you guys ever a thing?" And I was like, "Yeah." And then they'll be like, "Oh, yeah, like blah

Lunablah blah got with him too." And then it was just kind of a long list. And it was really funny because it would be the nights that I was either back home or

Lunanights where I didn't swing by his frat. And it was really interesting cuz they would have like a family party, which is like your sister sorority and the

Brian Atlasbrother uh fraternity would get together and they would have their own thing before opening it up to everyone else. >> So it'd be those nights that he had cheated on me. I mean, were you guys

Lunaofficial boyfriend, girlfriend? >> Uh, we Well, I was aware that we were exclusive, >> but apparently not. >> But did you call him like were you boyfriend girlfriend or?

Luna>> Um, we never really put labels on anything, but it was >> borderline boyfriend, girlfriend. Like, we went out and we would be seen together. >> Did Did either of you say you love each

Brian Atlasother? Yes. >> Okay. You both said that to each other. >> Yeah. >> And you said that it there was an understanding that you guys were exclusive. So there was >> Was there an actual conversation like >> Yeah. We

Luna>> essentially saying we're exclusive. >> Yeah. So we had that conversation. We both really wanted to date and it was good. And then that's when all like after that the whole traditional thing

Brian Atlasstarted and that's when he got like really serious and try to like lock me down kind of. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Uh would he ever get upset like cuz I mean a lot of people especially freshman

Lunayear they like to go out party on the weekends Thursday, Friday, Saturday. >> Yeah. >> Uh would he ever be upset or jealous when you went out? >> Yeah. So since we I lived in the dorms

Lunamy first year obviously and he lived in a fraternity house. I would obviously be going home with like my friends and majority of my friends are guys. >> Mhm. >> And he kind of would take it the wrong

Lunaway but we all lived in the same dorm and they've been over at his he's been over at mine while they're there. Like I thought it was like a mutual like I'm

Lunanot interested in Luna like >> kind of vibe. But other times he'd be like, "Oh, who are you with?" And I would be like, "Oh, I'm with like my friends, like my guy friends, and he

Brian Atlaswould be like, "No, you're not." Like, "I know you're not." And yeah. >> Okay. Uh, and then you said the way you grew up, it was like I'm trying to recall exactly what

Brian Atlasyou said because he I think what you're trying to get at was he wanted this traditional dynamic, but you weren't really raised that way. Is that fair to say or? >> I grew up really independent. So

Luna>> independent. Yeah, that's >> I'm adopted from Taiwan. >> Okay. >> And my adoptive parents have a son, like their blood child. >> And growing up, I always He's actually

Lunawatching this. It's really funny. Um he actually we grew up and I've always felt that they favored him more than me just because it was their blood child. I mean, they would spend like thousands of

Lunadollars for his club and like his club soccer and all the like gear and everything. And whenever I had asked, cuz I also played like club lacrosse, whenever I had asked, they would be like, "No, we can't go to these

Lunatournaments cuz your brother has something or we can't get that for you." And it was just a lot of unfairness. And some days like when I was

Luna>> 10, they would actually leave me at home cuz he would have early tournaments all the way like in Silver Lake and they would leave early and I would not want to get up. So they would leave me and I

Lunawould just wake up to an empty house. So I've always like cooked for myself and I've like cleaned my room and like kind of took care of everything and like all the pets and stuff. So >> So it's just you and your brother? Yeah,

Lunajust me and my brother. >> No other siblings. >> Uh, I do have a half sister. >> Half sister. Half blood. >> Half blood. >> So, she was also adopted or >> Yes, but she was adopted by another

Brian Atlasfamily in Orange County. >> Okay. Gotcha. All right. Um, and your brother, he's older or younger than you?

Brian Atlas>> He is older by two months and 5 days. >> Okay. Got it. All right. Um, cool. And uh any other prospects or guys you dated? Are there any guys in the picture

Lunacurrently? >> Uh currently no there is no summer fling. Nothing like that. >> Yeah. No. >> Cool. What about you? >> Uh single.

Renez>> How long you've been single for? >> Three years. Yeah. Like three years. >> All right. Longest relationship? >> Uh 11 years. >> All right. Were you married? >> No. Never married. >> Ever? Never married. Okay. Any children?

Brian Atlas>> Nope. >> No children. Okay. Uh the 11-year relationship, who broke up with who? >> Uh I broke up with him. >> Okay. Why is that? >> Um

Renezwe just spent so many years together and we eventually just grew apart. Um he didn't want to support my dreams and so it was just a hard no.

Renez>> What is uh what do you mean by he didn't want to support your dreams? what were your dreams and what was the support that you required? >> Um, so yeah, I guess when I would talk

Renezabout where I wanted to go and what I wanted to do with, you know, my future, um, he really just didn't he didn't want

Renezto support me having such like lofty dreams. Um, so it just it wasn't fitting into his his idea of a future partner.

RenezUm, >> okay. What were your dreams? >> Uh, just to like to build my own empire and not to be underneath um his thumb. >> What do you mean by underneath his

Renezthumb? Um like I guess being in a relationship for so long with someone, they have these expectations that they want you to

Renezum you know either be at home or maybe just they they want to have more time with you. That that's how it felt. And I wanted to pursue dreams. I wanted to be

Renezum I wanted to just be able to do whatever I wanted to do. And >> you wanted to be able to do whatever you wanted to do. Yeah. >> Which was what? >> Which like

Renezum well I I mentioned that I was spiritual wellness entrepreneur. So I have a couple different businesses and um part of that is picking up and going

Renezon like road shows uh like just packing up being able to um hit the road whenever I want. And that was a problem. >> How uh how so? like just you'd be gone

Renezfor periods of time or >> Yeah. Uh I'd be gone um not available for him and just not available. >> Okay. Was you guys were dating in California? >> Yeah. >> This was Okay. Uh were you guys living

Brian Atlastogether? >> No. So we lived together for maybe seven years. >> We broke up and then got back together and then broke up. >> So initially you were living together,

Brian Atlasbroke up, moved out, got back together. But when you got back together, not living together. Is that fair? >> Yeah, we got back together and we did not live together. >> What was the reason for the original breakup?

Renez>> Um I believe I think I was just going a different way again like I was on a different path and

Renezit just was it was a a a non-alignment kind of thing. And >> I think we just tried again because we'd have been each other's life for so long.

Renezand um I helped raise his kids and so yeah, I think there was like a maybe we should give this another shot kind of deal, but ultimately it just wasn't. >> How many kids did he have?

Brian Atlas>> Two. >> Two. Okay. So, you were like kind of stepmom a little bit or >> Yeah, for a while. >> Okay. Uh when you say he wasn't

Brian Atlassupporting your thing, you said you wanted to go out on the road to uh travel to different places to for your business. When you say he wasn't supportive, like was he not were you was there an expectation he helped pay for

Renezthis? >> No. >> Is that what you're talking about? >> No. No, not at all. I've always made my own money. I've never asked for money from him at all.

RenezSo it was more supportive on the side of um hey this is you know this is what I want to do like this is this is where I want to go with my future like are you

Brian Atlasokay with that and it was like uh not really okay with it. So >> Okay. Um All right. So

Brian Atlasuh you said you've been single for three years. Is this the uh the guy that you've

Renezended things with three years ago? >> Yeah. So, I mean, I've dated, but and then it took a really long break just from dating. Like a year and a half. I didn't date after I left that relationship.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. and then started dating and just >> so if he if he was here he would say uh you know you said he wasn't supportive of your business, your journey or

Brian Atlaswhatever. >> Um what do you think he would say? >> Um >> like would he disagree with you or >> I think he would say that I probably

Renezdidn't want to accept his support in some sort of way. He Yeah, I think that's what what his take would be about it. >> Wait, you didn't want to accept his support?

Renez>> Yeah. Like he would say, "Oh, I was I was there for you or I I'd support you." But then it I don't I don't think he was he wasn't there emotionally for support.

Brian AtlasUm but I think we just have different views about it. So >> Okay. Um you're you describe yourself as a spiritual adviser.

RenezUh you do soul alignment consultations. Can you explain what a spiritual adviser is? >> Yeah. So um I guess I jumped into spirituality about 12 years ago and um I

Renezcame from a very corporate technical background. So I lived in Silicon Valley for many years and then transitioned out of Silicon Valley years ago and started

Renezum spiritual wellness coaching for the last three or four years. Um so some of my clients come from corporate where they just want a a transition. They want out. They want um

Brian Atlasthey're just looking for a way out. They're looking for something new. >> Wait, can't they just quit? Not everyone can just quit. Um, >> but but I mean looking So okay, they're

Brian Atlascorporate drones. They're looking for a way out. >> Do you you need to go to a like a therapist to >> for that?

Brian Atlas>> Um, personally I'm not a therapist. I could ador >> like how do I quit? Isn't it just like just quit your job? Isn't Isn't that the extent of

Brian AtlasOkay. You you Okay. People want to leave their corporate jobs. What do you what do you tell them? >> Um don't leave your corporate job without a plan in place.

Brian Atlas>> Well, wouldn't so that's like you'd be advising them for financial like from a >> no >> financial like a spiritual plan because you say you're a spiritual adviser. So

Renezwhat spiritual advice would you uh impart on somebody who's looking to quit their corporate job? >> So that comes in when we go through

Renezum different tools to utilize to get them to know themselves on a deeper level. So what happens is a lot of people just don't understand their gifts. And so they're looking for a way

Renezout, but they don't know what they're truly gifted at. And that's where I come in. Okay. So, can you give us a like a example of

Renezlike a success story, I guess, or >> Oh, yeah. Um, so I mean I work with So, I'm I'm I'm an energy healer as well. So, >> like Reiki. >> Yeah. Reiki.

Brian Atlas>> Reiki. Reiki. >> Raiki. Raiki. >> Is there other forms of energy healing or? >> Yes. What what other are uh do you have to go to school for that or how do you become a whatever that is?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Um >> you said energy healer. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What's that? >> Um well I do raiki. I'm a raiki master. So >> master >> raiki master that you do get certified for that. Yeah. >> How do you how long do you have to study

Brian Atlasthat to become a master? >> Um you can probably knock it out in like a couple months >> to become a master. >> Yeah. an energy master. >> Well, do do you can you take online classes for that? Is like an online

Brian Atlasschool? >> I I I took mine in person. >> There's Is there a school here in Santa Barbara or >> Um Yeah, there's practitioners here that do >> and they How much does it cost to become a certified?

Renez>> Maybe. >> Did you get >> 1500 or something? >> 15,500. Okay. >> Yeah. >> And you're you're a master. >> There's different levels. What's after master?

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