02:45:56Roger Avarythis music video and fans and everything and the Goos are there and I shoot all the other stuff and I shoot the performance scene with them that we need to do and you know I'm getting all my footage and everything and finally comes the point of okay now let's shoot the
02:46:08Roger Avaryclose-ups that we have to do which is them kind of in this swirl of glitter visual swirl of glitter that I wanted well I
02:46:20Roger Avaryone of them doing one of I think one of them Charlotte maybe or maybe it was Belinda said you know this uh is that going to hurt and they were looking at the glitter and it's like little chopped
02:46:32Roger Avaryup pieces of metal like little tiny bits of metal and I was like no no no it's not going to hurt it's not going to hurt at all and they're like are you are you sure about that and I was like no here I'll do it first so I got there in front
02:46:44Roger Avaryof the camera turned on the fans rolled film they started spraying the glitter down let me tell you something it felt like fire ants were being blown into my face
02:46:55Roger Avaryit was like little needles were stabbing me all over my face and I sat there smiling like as this stuff blasted into me and then when it was done I was like
02:47:06Roger Avaryfelt great and one by one those Goos went in there and did it and afterwards each one of them was like well it's an experience you do have to go through it to
02:47:17Roger Avaryunderstand it and then I started getting calls from them days later and they're like this glitter will not come out of my skin I can't get it out of my
02:47:27Roger Avaryeyelids is true like no amount of washing would get it off of me it was like I was covered in glitter I was covered in glitter for like three weeks dang Yeah you mentioned uh the the you were talking about you have to be willing to do it yourself that's the
02:47:40Roger Avarypoint you whatever you're willing to ask somebody else to do you have to be willing to do yourself you know you have to be willing if you're going to ask somebody to do something dangerous I mean unless it's a stunt and a stunt man is doing it and he's the
02:47:51Roger Avaryprofessional to do that but I never even with stunt people I hate asking them I hate it when a stunt guy does something like in Rules of Attraction uh James vanderbeek hang hangs himself and then
02:48:02Roger Avaryit breaks and he falls on the floor and okay that's a stunt guy I've got to bring a stunt guy in James has his stunt double it was a guy he always worked with he his oh this is so and he worked with me on Texas Rangers and whatever
02:48:15Roger Avarylike he's the best and so this guy came in get him up there he's hanging from the thing it's like a kind of trigger release like and like the trigger release like electronically
02:48:27Roger Avaryreleases and it dropped him from like a cable that we had on him like you know 8 feet onto the ground and he like lands on his uh like on his back and he does
02:48:38Roger Avaryit it's like Jesus is he okay and I went up and he's like yeah yeah I'm fine I'm great let's go again no no I think we got it no no no let's go it again let's go again again I really think we can do
02:48:50Roger Avarybetter and like H I think we got it that I did it like three times then I later found out no no they want to go again because you know they get paid for every gag that you do I was like oh oh
02:49:02Roger Avarybut Canadian stun I had this one Canadian stunt guy throw himself down a Stairway and I was like on a location scout he like oh this would be great we'll have people go down the stairway and he's the coordinator and he Dove
02:49:13Roger Avarydown that stair it was like a sharp wood stairway in a basement like dude and he's like 60 years old I like dude you're uh going to kill
02:49:24Brian Atlasyourself you're you're talking about uh on the back end though that you you gave that up so you could give it to uh the C I think oh yeah cast members uh so does that mean they all did very well by the
02:49:36Roger Avaryway I I got a call from Shannon once she was like oh my God that check came and it was like do they do they it came just in time that residual check when you're yeah when you're talking about like
02:49:47Roger Avarybackend so that's like the residuals is that Royal yeah there's residuals there's like a like um there there's a net system and then a
02:49:57Roger Avarygross system and like you'll basically what whatever you think you're getting they're already ripping you off like at every layer they're stealing you
02:50:09Roger Avaryknow like so that there is nothing eventually when it gets to you like the Hollywood accounting is that what called it's yeah Hollywood accounting well in fact you know I encourage everyone to go
02:50:19Roger Avaryon the um uh Wikileaks if it's still in existence and check out that Sony uh leak because you can access all of their marketing documents all of their
02:50:30Roger Avaryspreadsheets all of their budgets all of their you know their sales stuff their in their inter office correspondence it's all there and you start looking at it and you're
02:50:42Roger Avarylike okay I'm able with a bird's eye view to look at all of the system and the finances of the system that's making these series of movies by this one director they keep
02:50:55Roger Avarymaking movies with this guy the movies are making this much they're costing this much they're insisting by contract that they cost this much and it's like I I can't remember what it was like 40
02:51:05Roger Avarysomething million dollars for these kind of chamber piece movies and there's no way at all that these films can make money the way that it's designed like what is going on here this is not a real
02:51:18Roger Avarybusiness and now I kind of realize I don't think it is a real business I think it's just like a big fake business and every now and then uh they uh and and every now
02:51:29Roger Avaryand then a movie breaks through and becomes a hit like C fiction did and it makes so much money that they simply cannot hide it they just cannot hide the
02:51:39Roger Avarymoney and so they end up having to but like bolf for example two people had profit participation on bolf me and Neil Gaiman the two of us
02:51:49Roger Avaryand Angelina Jolie we were the only people who had uh profit participation and that profit participation kicked in
02:51:57Roger Avaryuh when the movie reached 100 million well that movie made nine like uh 98 well not even more than that like 99
02:52:08Roger Avarypoint something like it made right a barely and they pulled it from theaters and they pulled it out like these guys they were so skilled in what they did they so knew how to handle it that they
02:52:20Roger Avarypulled the movie before it would trigger any kind of participation payments to me and Angelina Jolie and den Neil and so you know we didn't see that money either wow uh and so you you don't get any
02:52:32Roger Avaryroyalties for the rules of attraction no nothing well actually I get uh writer Guild Writers Guild has a kind of residual system built in so as a writer
02:52:42Roger Avaryon that film and like I think I made but not as a director I could only make uh I had I did wrers Guild minimum on on that film which was uh CU for the script that
02:52:53Roger AvaryI had written because the wrers guild is in existence they forced them to I I would have given it up though if I could have uh like that's how bad I wanted to make the movie okay but by the way none
02:53:04Brian Atlasof this I did without like full cognizance sure uh just because we're limited here on time I want to just try to power through some of the rest power through so the answer the answer is
02:53:15Roger Avarythere is there is no Hollywood there is still more media getting made than ever but you can do it from anywhere and just you know find you know just gravitate towards what you love and by the way I
02:53:26Roger Avarydon't even know that that's even a thing anymore like I with the way things are going uh it's going to be like one person show in no time uh Damien can you
02:53:36Brian Atlaspull up there's the Wikipedia article uh so I want to ask you this and I don't know if this was part of some of the perhaps uh at least what's report report online the follow they say it was
02:53:50Brian Atlasa following out with Quinton I don't know if that was actually the case but um can you pull that up so the feature film 1994 for Pulp
02:54:00Brian AtlasFiction uh and then so it says story yes stories it do stories and then can you um there's another Wiki I think for P
02:54:11Brian Atlasthat was not a writer Guild project uh Pulp Fiction next one one sec we're just just getting pulled up here so it says written by Quinton
02:54:23Brian AtlasTarantino and then Story by Quinton Tarantino Roger a I was curious on the previous page it said story uh so I mean
02:54:31Roger Avarywhat what does that mean well that means that uh um look I was in prep on I Was preparing killing I was actually was in
02:54:41Roger Avarypost I was uh I was actually doing color wedges at the lab on it and trying to match shots and make sure every shot was color graded correctly so that uh um so
02:54:54Roger Avarythe movie looked good so shots didn't change in color temperature as you watch it right and uh so I was there working and I got a call from Quenton and uh he basically said listen I want to
02:55:04Roger Avaryrearrange the credits and to read a certain way and primarily it was so that this movie would that he would have ownership over the film uh as uh
02:55:16Roger Avaryfilmmaker ownership so it could be like Quenton Tarantino look I don't care I
02:55:20Roger Avarywas there um uh uh from the beginning uh working on it it begins as uh um like as a bunch of short films that or a series
02:55:33Roger Avaryof short films that we're planning on making mine was one of those short films uh called pandemonium reigned uh you know Quenton had one was called Reservoir Dogs uh and if you watch
02:55:45Roger AvaryReservoir Dogs you'll see that all of the uh Flash backs Tim Roth flashbacks were added to make it a feature film and that was originally a segment of Pulp
02:55:55Roger AvaryFiction the uh that in fact the diamonds or the briefcase that's the briefcase in probably the theoretically one could say
02:56:05Roger Avarythe briefcase in Reservoir Dogs and so um uh so yeah so I I was there working
02:56:13Roger Avarylike look we had a long history making that movie where I was um uh I was producing it at one
02:56:23Roger Avarypoint um you know uh we were trying to get it you know like actually I was trying to I was producing True Romance at that time we were trying to get
02:56:32Roger Avarythings going when basically when the how do I describe it it's it's like first of all it's a long time ago now secondly like so much has been
02:56:44Roger Avarywritten about it that of people trying to figure out how it happened and why and there must have been something like nefarious about it or that like somebody
02:56:53Roger Avaryis being robbed of credit and I just don't care and I never did it's like I kind of viewed you because Quinton and I like best
02:57:02Roger Avaryfriends and um the way I viewed it was um like I'm here to help make this movie The Best that it can possibly be however
02:57:13Roger AvaryI have to do that as much or as little as I have to do I'm willing to do MH and by the way that was on everything that Quenton did on Natural Born Killers same
02:57:23Roger Avarything uh there's a scene I wrote for Natural Born Killers that Quenton uh had to write and didn't feel like writing and wasn't feeling it and asked me to do it and so I wrote it Oliver Stone loved
02:57:35Roger Avarythat scene it was the brothers hun scene and you can see it I think on the Blu-ray or on the laser disc or somewhere probably on YouTube you can probably look up the brothers hun and um
02:57:48Roger Avaryit didn't make it into the movie all of a sudden said he kind of messed it up a little bit okay I just wrote that because Quenton asked me to Sure uh not
02:57:57Roger Avaryasking for credit on natural-born Killers or and so when it came about it was like look we
02:58:07Roger Avaryum there is a lot of me in Pulp Fiction and especially in the butch sequence the um the uh the the boxer who throws the
02:58:18Roger Avaryfight like that was basically my section like BR the Bruce Willis stuff the Bruce Willis stuff that was sort of my section right and um and it was from this script
02:58:29Roger Avarythat I did that was originally a small piece of uh Pulp Fiction that I had expanded out i' had added this whole kind of high flutin ending to it and
02:58:39Roger Avaryturned it into a much longer uh featurelength screenplay and then when the time came after Quenton made Reservoir Dogs he just called me up and he said yeah I'm thinking about like this and that and I'm offered this and I'm offered that but I think I want to
02:58:51Roger Avarydo Pulp Fiction I think I want to direct all of them because originally it was going to be like an Omnibus movie where three directors make three movies that are neon Noir crime films and we put
02:59:00Roger Avarythem together that was a thing that was happening back then and um uh he's like I want to do it all myself I'm like great okay so I'm making killing zo I'm
02:59:11Roger Avaryyou know preparing another project I've got my own stuff going on Quenton calls me up and he wants things to be a certain way fine it's a certain
02:59:23Roger Avaryway I didn't know in that moment like I knew that we were making something special because everybody like John Travolta was in it like that's how and Bruce Willis was in it Bruce Willis is
02:59:34Roger Avarysuddenly in the movie Bruce Willis is like you know at the moment in that moment one of the world's biggest stars arguably the world's biggest star um uh
02:59:46Roger Avarysuddenly Bruce Willis is in the movie it suddenly it's a very different film suddenly it's making 100 million suddenly it's making 200 million Suddenly It's like uh Citizen Cane Suddenly It's on all the top 10 lists of
02:59:59Roger Avarytheil suddenly you're winning Academy Awards suddenly your rate changes and suddenly everything is Bonkers suddenly there's money and there's you know uh
03:00:10Roger Avarypublicists and there's agents and there's attorneys and there's like press and the Press is writing stories and they're writing stories about these video store guys effectively were video
03:00:20Roger Avarystore guys and they're writing these stories about us and you know like uh um this is like a movement or something and they're they're talking about that and you
03:00:30Roger Avaryknow it it it Alters the dynamic of a friendship it just changes how things are and um and it wasn't like it wasn't
03:00:40Roger Avarya credit issue between us that was that created any kind of cooling between
03:00:46Roger AvaryQuenton and I was the business that did that it was um you know uh um the Quenton machine that came
03:00:59Roger Avarytogether like Roger doesn't really fit into the Quenton machine and by the way Roger's doing his own thing and so that's okay and Roger is an unknown qu
03:01:07Roger Avaryquantity also and so um you know it just a like a slight cooling happened between like like show me two brothers s who
03:01:18Roger Avarydon't fight you know who haven't fought like we're not like the Oasis guys or anything like that or maybe we are like
03:01:27Roger Avaryand or Guns and Roses yeah you know it's like uh um like once the kind of pandemic
03:01:40Roger Avaryhappened kind of I started thinking nothing matters anymore with with respect to the industry also I had been through a very public uh um accident a
03:01:51Roger AvaryDUI related accident there had been a death involved it had uh I had you know served time for it um it was like an
03:02:01Roger Avaryatom bomb that got dropped on my life by myself and um you know and I was um recovering from that on behalf of
03:02:12Roger Avaryyou know I my family I was my family was recovering from that and I was just doing anything could to survive and to
03:02:20Roger Avaryum you know to stay afloat I stopped caring so much in that moment about uh what other people think in fact I don't
03:02:31Roger Avarycare at all what other people think at all I want people to um be happy but I don't really care how they think about me that's a better way of
03:02:42Roger Avaryputting it like I um like it's okay he if somebody hates my work or or says something bad about me
03:02:52Roger Avarythat's okay like the worst has already been said and I've already paid for it
03:02:59Roger Avaryand um and it's been a like um a gnarly road and it is the worst thing that that
03:03:10Roger Avaryhas occurred during the course of my life but at the same time um you know the Chinese character for crisis contains inside of it the
03:03:21Roger Avarycharacter for opportunity and because the two are synonymous almost crisis and opportunity and in many ways I felt like I was
03:03:31Roger Avaryasleep you know that uh that I was asleep in life and then um that happened and you know suddenly you find
03:03:42Roger Avaryyourself kneeling on the asphalt in the dark and just begging for life and it changes your perspective of what matters it you know to be a to be a really maybe
03:03:54Roger Avaryeffective director you probably have to be really like a megalomaniac you have to be up your own ass you have to believe that you're right even when everybody tells you you're wrong and um
03:04:06Roger Avarythat kind of left me I think a little bit and I'm I consider everything differently I'm grateful for simple
03:04:14Roger Avaryexistence I'm grateful for what I have I'm grate ful for um uh you
03:04:21Roger Avaryknow every day I wake up my first thought is of the terrible
03:04:29Roger Avaryloss that happened at my hand and what can I do to you
03:04:38Roger Avaryknow what can I do every day to make amends for that and you can't really it is irreversible
03:04:48Roger Avarythe only thing you can do is to honor Life As you move forward and um and to do that you have to kind of put ego
03:04:58Roger Avaryaside to a certain extent now I'm a film director like I get lost in ego I am something of a megalomaniac also but every morning I try to remind myself I
03:05:08Roger Avarywake up and my first thought is of what happened and what can I do now today to um
03:05:17Roger AvaryI mean I don't want to say atone for it look I've done time over it that you know time to yourself inside of your own
03:05:27Roger Avaryhead having everything taken away from you and Stripped Away from you uh and and um collapsing and hitting bottom is not always a bad thing you know because
03:05:40Roger Avarythe journey is not over um and you suddenly wake up and you look at life through a different lens you you have a different perspective on
03:05:50Roger Avarythings and the squabbles of Youth don't matter right the ego of ownership over a title of something doesn't matter to me like I
03:06:02Roger Avarythought about making movies without credits at all even like since then like the that everybody in the Press started like after they ran out of the story of
03:06:13Roger Avarytelling the story of Quenton building him up they look to well we've run out of stories to tell what do we do now well now let's do the story where we tear him down a little bit and I became
03:06:23Roger Avarya useful idiot in some ways towards that something I regret to this day you know um uh you know if I ever said anything
03:06:33Roger Avaryright you know against my friend out of anger or anything like that it was mere it was those were words spoken in haste yeah and Quenton said the same thing to
03:06:43Roger Avaryme like in the interim he's become a father you know know he's married he has a fa he's a father now it's altered who he is also so we're still the same
03:06:54Roger Avarypeople but look we've walked like a long road together we've both made a lot of movies and in the end what really
03:07:02Roger Avarymatters to me are people mhm and the relationships that we that we have in life and I am grateful for um Quenton
03:07:13Roger Avaryand I having this kind of character Arc where we Circle back together and that we're now able to basically do what we used to do when we were at the video store and we are having like a ball
03:07:25Roger Avarydoing it having a great time and that's effectively talking about movies it's something that obviously I love to do have I stopped making movies no I
03:07:36Roger Avaryactually am I you know I own the rights to glamorama the bre selis novel I've been preparing it for a very very long time M when the pandemic began I decided
03:07:47Roger Avaryto stop working on it because I thought like Rules of Attraction coming out after 911 nobody want or needs this right
03:07:57Roger Avarynow we're now at the point where I think irony can come back into uh into the picture and I'm more interested in glamorama now because we're living it it's around us at all times and great
03:08:08Roger Avaryand so I'm working on that I I've got other projects that uh that I'm working on but you know for the most part you know like uh film stuff that I'm playing together but like I wrote a movie about Salvador
03:08:21Roger AvaryDel I've had everybody attached to it I've had Al Pino has been attached to it Adrien Brody has been attached to it Russell Brand has been attached to it
03:08:31Roger Avarylike I've had like you know all sorts of do attached to the film and the movie never really found flight right well it's finally gotten to the point where I can't make that movie I don't want to
03:08:42Roger Avarymake that movie unless I can shoot it on film mhm like it won't have the right texture for my eye and so so like you have to really want to do it sure you
03:08:54Brian Atlashave to really want to uh we have a chat here from Daniel Neri have you seen these AI short movies made by Sam Altman's new software how do you think this will affect the movie industry do you think producers will start rising
03:09:06Brian Atlasfrom the middle of nowhere uh before I have you answer this um we have I do have a few more questions we'll get through that I need to get up for just a brief moment but while I get up do you
03:09:16Roger Avarywant to just sure thei Video St that's abely absolutely I
03:09:22Roger Avaryum uh you know look I'm mostly amused by by AI like everybody um uh let's see
03:09:32Roger Avarywhere am I looking uh is am I live there okay good uh I I'm mostly um I mean I'm interested in it like everybody I I
03:09:42Roger Avaryloved looking at like you know hot dog fingers and banana hands and and all the kind of weird stuff that it would come up with I think there's an almost kind
03:09:51Roger Avaryof demonic element to it where it's it's um it Taps into a kind of unknown which
03:10:01Roger Avaryis more what you think simulcra and simulation is in the sense of bodair I mean and the author bodair and um and glamorama Deals a lot with issues of
03:10:13Roger Avarythis and um I've watched a bunch of of AI stuff I think some of it is good I think individual examples are are good the very best work that I've seen that is
03:10:24Roger Avarykind of actually made me think this is something is the door Brothers uh who I think is actually one person but the door brothers did um uh lies Wide Shut
03:10:36Roger Avarylies wide shut and I saw that and I was like oh my God it's punk rock they're doing it this is the punk rock tool this is this is where it's at uh and then they did
03:10:48Roger Avaryanother one called um truffles that's really good now these are almost music video like like part of it is they can't really control 100% of what's happening but life is like that when you shoot
03:11:00Roger Avarysomething I've noticed that when they shoot when the door Brothers have been doing short films where they're you know it's meant to cut together it's not working for me they they're having the
03:11:11Roger Avarysame issue that music videos music video directors and Commercial directors traditionally have
03:11:18Roger Avarywhich is a difficulty with the um gotcha like separate shots dialogue cutting together um we have maybe a quick answer
03:11:29Brian Atlason this one did you really shoot a fox Force 5 TV show starring um Thurman uh I
03:11:35Roger Avarydon't know what no um no but I uh there Fox 5 is the idea of Kill Bill is you um
03:11:46Roger Avarylike she was in this uh um you know um Thurman's character in Pulp Fiction was in Fox Force 5 Kill Bill is Fox for 5
03:11:57TTS Readerright I mean that's the TV show basically if you oh yeah Jason's underscore Supra donated $99 hi Roger Pulp Fiction is a
03:12:08TTS Readermasterpiece there is a Theory online that Vincent and Mia didn't actually win the twist contest and stole the trophy is that true uh thanks sincerely a massive fan
03:12:24Roger AvaryJason okay I don't know if that's true or not and I will actually ask Quenton about that and maybe address it on one of gala's after shows or something um I'll actually like find out the truth
03:12:35Roger Avarybehind that but I would say that in the reality of Quenton that it's possible Quenton would have stolen the trophy and
03:12:45Roger AvaryQuenton uh I mean I think in many ways I am Vincent actually Quenton is the Sam Jackson he's Jew inter like black ey
03:12:54Roger Avaryyeah like if there's two of that's the two of us that's us yeah um uh and so yeah I think I think he would yeah I think there's some Credence to it but
03:13:06Roger AvaryI'm I'm gonna I'm going to go to the source and then uh I'll try to get through these as uh quickly as possible just cuz we are getting a little short on time here yeah I'm being given the the like during the Academy Awards they
03:13:18Brian Atlasflash on wrap up wrap up and then they dial up I'm getting that right now it's like my my flashback nightmare from Dam there there's a YouTube comments so you had a YouTube channel you posted like
03:13:28Brian Atlasclips from uh The Rules of Attraction some other stuff teasers trailers uh I actually was like in when I was researching and planning preparing for the uh interview I was looking at some
03:13:40Roger Avaryof your stuff Damian there's a lot of it most of it's gotten pulled even though even though they don't really have a foundation to pull from because use yeah I'm using it under fair use but Dam can
03:13:50Brian Atlasyou pull up please people uh so scroll down so I actually discovered I left a comment seven years ago wow wower any chance of a glitterati
03:14:02Brian Atlasscreening so that kind of gets us into that but before we do that we'll pull up the other there is a chance of that there is a chance of that YouTube seven years ago okay uh wow and then this wow so that's like Pro the proof of the
03:14:14Brian Atlaspudding yeah you're you're the real deal Roger when are you going to return to directing eight years ago um so yeah well it's funny I directed it's funny I
03:14:25Roger Avarydirected several movies since then uh one was lucky day but one hasn't even been released it's called Uh Leu men it's a French language film based on a
03:14:35Roger Avaryonew woman play written by Jean CTO it's a featurelength film a Gala produced it uh we shot in France in Paris uh it stars Elsa zilberstein I think it's
03:14:47Roger Avarymaybe one of the best things I I one of the best things but it's not released it's not been released the um uh the gay Mafia got involved gay the gay the gay Mafia
03:14:58Roger Avarythere's a there's like a gay Mafia that runs everything and well no pedr Madar I'm sure is a member of it and he called
03:15:06Roger Avaryup the fasan Jean CTO and said he wants to make Lavo human and I think he did it as a short film with Tilda Swinton and I
03:15:15Roger Avarylove Tilda I haven't there ven but uh and so the foundation fondan Jean CTO pulled our after we shot the film pulled
03:15:25Roger AvaryAR and they have in France they have like you know rule of law over uh over rights that stuff and so the movie became unreleasable and it turns out
03:15:35Roger AvaryPeter medic the um director Peter medic did the ruling class and men's club and a bunch of other movies he also directed a movie uh called Lau men same thing
03:15:47Roger Avaryapparently happened to it I think you can get that one on video now but same thing they like buried the buried the title it'll find its way out and and I heard somebody ask about glitterati and
03:15:59Roger Avarythe the answer is yes there will be a screening no I will not announce it okay it will just happen okay yeah Sergio says but it will be a I'm going to do a
03:16:09Brian Atlaspublic screening okay uh like it'll just happen Sergio just says uh are you next year let's say let's say next year let's say that let me know I want to I want to go um are y'all ever going to
03:16:21Brian Atlasrelease the full footage of Victor's European trip from rules of a attraction and uh and he's so that's essentially what glitterati is is the
03:16:31Roger Avarythe film that you made of the all that footage I shot 70 hours of footage to do that little two two weeks right two weeks 12 cities just under two weeks but
03:16:41Roger Avaryyeah um yeah in 12 cities and uh basically just he was in character 24 hours a day and I was silent 24 hours a
03:16:51Roger Avaryday following him and then you know we we shot this you know whatever happened happened and you know we would go to a model party and he would go back to the
03:17:01Roger Avaryroom with the models and I would go with them and shoot whatever happened and cut it together and we made a kind of tone
03:17:12Roger Avaryfilm sort of on the side that uses music as kind of narrative drive and uh driver and um and it's and it's a I think
03:17:24Roger Avaryalmost too much has been made of it now that because I haven't shown it that people are so anticipating it that once they see it they're going to be like that's it they're going to be disappointed it can only be disappointed at this point I probably should have
03:17:36Roger Avaryjust but I like look I paid for the European sequence out of my own pocket like when we went Lions because we didn't have the
03:17:46Roger Avarybudget for it if I wanted it we had to I Greg the Greg Shapiro the producer me and Kip basically went on our own to Europe in the months following 911 when
03:17:57Roger Avaryeverything was still scrambled like they there was still like like everything was still going crazy everywhere and that's when we just shot like you know and I told them whatever you're doing I'm going to be there with a macro lens you
03:18:09Roger Avaryknow I'm going to shoot everything my one thing is I have full access to everything you do and that you remain in character and he only broke character once and that was uh he got upset at
03:18:20Brian AtlasGreg Shapiro because he didn't want to carry his own luggage or something and and Greg was like I'm not carrying your luggage well you mentioned I I know you had mentioned this a bit earlier on
03:18:31Brian Atlasin the conversation um and just now you mentioned uh you know September 11 2001 uh that the opening scene of the film uh the end of the world party if I recall
03:18:41Brian Atlascorrectly that was shot on September 11th 2001 um do you think that in a way like some of the perhaps unease or tension or sadness
03:18:53Brian Atlasin terms of the crew the the cast on that day it actually kind of maybe translated to actually cap I mean it's a it's supposed to be a party but it's
03:19:03Roger Avarylike there's like kind of like a underlying tension there there's a a sense of Doom underneath everything yeah
03:19:11Roger AvaryI mean um you know it was a cataclysmic day and we were um you know you have to make a decision about things and I had to cut shots and
03:19:23Roger Avaryyou know I made a couple of small choices that changed the the ending of the movie in that moment because I originally the movie believe it or not
03:19:32Roger Avarywas much more nealis in the end it has a much more a much darker conclusion than um what it has now which
03:19:47Roger Avaryfusal of or a refute against uh Manifest Destiny as a concept and that um that you can that choice is something that we
03:19:59Roger Avaryhave like that this was a choice I made in the moment while shooting and altered the what happens at the end of the film that maybe that doesn't make sense but
03:20:10Roger Avarybut you know that happens constantly you're constantly changing it rains and you plan for Sunshine okay what does that mean do you pretend that it's not raining or do you embrace the rain you
03:20:21Brian Atlasembrace the rain it's raining the universe gave you rain use it uh the the character in the film uh Lauren she she
03:20:31Brian Atlashas she's wearing a seven pin can you pull that up Daman the YouTube video she's wearing a seven pin and I was always curious about that and she's wearing it throughout the film whenever she's kind of wearing that trench coat
03:20:43Brian Atlasthing that she wears frequently there's a lot of numerology throughout the movie can you pull that up D mean most of it people haven't noticed but the movie was made as a pandro Go full screen full screen so she's wearing the seven pin I
03:20:55Brian Atlaswas curious if there's like a back story of that because um I actually I I started wearing oh really a uh a seven pin what do you think it meant no idea I
03:21:05Roger Avaryknow Seven's a lucky number but no idea so they say well yeah I mean let's just because there's certain things that I don't really talk too much about and
03:21:15Roger Avarypart of it is the like you don't want to give up the hidden code of the movie oh let's just say the Hermetic
03:21:25Roger Avarycode within within the film and um and like everything about the movie is numerology from the music because if you listen to the music backwards and
03:21:38Roger Avaryforwards it's two different pieces because what we did was I had Andy mbour my composer um basically used phonemes to figure out how to compose music uh in
03:21:48Roger Avarytransverse Direction and so that you can uh so that you can hide music inside of music do that Mak sense yeah like you know playing a record backwards and hearing like you know John is dead or
03:22:00Roger AvaryPaul is dead or whatever the famous Beatles one was I I think tones on taale had one that was like maybe it was the Beatles like number nine number nine and so we got really heavily into that
03:22:12Roger Avarybecause the movie was was released in 2002 which is also a palindromic here all of the music is
03:22:19Roger Avarypalindromic and so there's um you know I uh from the aspect ratio of the movie to the uh to the number seven to every to
03:22:30Roger Avarythere there is a meaning behind everything and there is a code behind everything and part of this is my belief that
03:22:39Roger Avaryum movies like stained glass windows in churches have a kind of Primal Optical effect on the brain and
03:22:50Roger Avarythey they you see things in your soul that you don't see you know with your mind you see it with your heart that you don't see with your mind and those things sometimes sneak their way in and
03:23:02Roger Avarythe very best movies are hiding their secrets and um and that's why you keep wanting to go back to them I think earlier I mentioned Escapist movies as being really important to people people need escapism you go to a movie you see
03:23:15Roger Avarythe movie You Escape lives um and then when you leave the movie you leave the movie behind you know that's it served its purpose the other kind of movie is one that asks
03:23:24Roger Avaryquestions at the end of the film the one that makes you like uh um well you start asking questions you you're creating debate you're arguing over it you leave the theater and not everybody
03:23:38Roger Avaryunderstands what happened everybody's arguing over it you're discussing over it you're you're you're trying to figure out what it means you're still trying to figure out what 2001 Space Odyssey means
03:23:48Roger Avaryum you know it's uh it's better to not know and that's because I can't get the scoop can I get the scoop on the seven fine well that was kind of a scoop it's
03:23:59Brian Atlasa half scoop yeah it was a half scoop um I'll tell you off camera sure that works for me um and uh I think just final things here uh if uh if you were to uh
03:24:10Roger Avaryrevisit the rules of attraction today do you think there's anything you do differently I'd shoot it an IA VIs that would be it would be perfect setting perfect setting for this kind of
03:24:21Roger Avaryfilm you know you could make the movie like kind of again today and you could make a completely different movie out of it because the book is very different than the movie and the thing that's
03:24:32Roger Avaryimportant to maintain um and and I even tried to do this like I tried to set the movie in a kind of non 80s non 90s non 2000s time period it's kind of a little bit of a
03:24:45Roger Avarymess time wise with the music with the like I did that a little bit intentionally cuz I didn't want it to be about the 80s like it's not about the 80s people have been going through these issues you
03:24:57Roger Avaryknow since ancient times you're right yeah things don't change we we believe we we are arrogant in that we believe that we are unique and that our
03:25:07Roger Avaryexperiences are unique when in fact it's all been done before it's all happened before nothing that you know it may be new to you but it's not
03:25:19Brian Atlasnew and uh I'm trying to think if there's uh there's one other thing maybe two oh I just know that you wrote a letter to George Michael because
03:25:29Roger Avarythere's this Faith Faith George Michael and you it was an improv scene like most things we we were shooting in this hotel room we were shooting at the Four
03:25:38Roger AvarySeasons and um you know the scene was on a bed and I had just shot some uh uh scenes and Ian summerer was in makeup
03:25:49Roger Avaryand the other actor who was there um uh oh my God I can't believe I'm forgetting his name I love this guy
03:25:58Roger Avaryhe's like incredible he um uh I'm just tired at the end of a long day uh he uh Russell Sams Russell Sams uh who was like this young actor came in and did a
03:26:10Roger Avary[ __ ] you audition like I'm not getting this part like there's no way I'm getting this part came in and basically did this to me [ __ ] you and there's the
03:26:20Roger Avaryactress [ __ ] you too like to Shannon S cuz she was in the audition he kicked me actually and left my casting director was like well [ __ ] that guy and I was like no no no go get that guy that's the
03:26:33Roger Avaryguy and he was like you're kidding me I brought him back I was like I just want you to be that irreverent on set and that's how I cast him nice he was
03:26:44Roger Avaryamazing on set so I'm shooting with him in this hotel room we finish up uh what we're working on and I'm like okay we got I've got a camera I've got a crew I've got everything I I've shot everything I needed but I have like
03:26:56Roger Avaryanother 10 minutes well I'm not going to waste time he's dressed like George Michael he's got like a jacket and the glasses he looked like you know George Michael and
03:27:06Roger AvaryFa Faith right and um so I like hey uh I have a George Michael CD down in my car you know I have that CD and so I had somebody go down and get it or maybe somebody else
03:27:19Roger Avaryhad it they brought it up and I said you're just for fun for the dailies you know at for tomorrow when we're watching dailies I'm gonna have you do a strip tease for us on the bed to George
03:27:30Roger AvaryMichael's Faith how do you like that okay so he's a young actor he's like excited to be there he'll do anything for me I mean Fred Savage came drove two hours to be on location uh for James
03:27:41Roger Avaryvanderbeek to spit on him and he was like let's do another tap so like young actors they want to do it they want to engage and so he got spit on yeah James
03:27:52Roger AvaryV James spit on or the clarinet uh scene no that was the scene in the car when they're uh they go to the drug deal and they're coming back from the drug deal and he's like you're crazy man he's like
03:28:04Roger AvaryDefine crazy and then they Park oh wait no that um wait not Fred Savage that's uh oh no I'm sorry did I say did I say uh Fred Savage I I meant I meant um I
03:28:15Roger Avarymeant American Pie I'm no no he's actually the guy from American Pie what's his name my God Thomas Ian Thomas Ian Nicholas is that it yeah Thomas and Nicholas I love Thomas he's such it is
03:28:27Roger AvaryI'm sorry I you're right that was Thomas and Nicholas God I can't believe I got that wrong um it was Thom lot of people in the movie yeah and he showed up on uh Fred Savage same thing you like hey uh what do you do oh I play the clarinet do
03:28:40Roger Avaryyou have a clarinet with you yeah I have one in my car go get it and like next thing you know he's playing the clarinet the cigarette and the belly button he I I said oh and when you just use your belly button to hold your cigarette like
03:28:51Roger Avaryyou just make up stuff in the moment so um uh yeah so in any case you did that scene with uh so I did that scene I I just set up the camera I'm like I'll get one shot I've only got 10
03:29:03Roger Avaryminutes I set up a camera with a wide lens like a curian shot you know I said I want a cubric shot a zero point perspective shot of the bed and I want you dancing on the bed to George Michael so I put it on we put on George Michael
03:29:16Roger Avaryokay everybody on the crew starts like getting into it we're watching it we're like this is hilarious he's fantastic this is great Ian sommerhalder is walking by like in his bathrobe coming from makeup hair and makeup he's just
03:29:30Roger Avarycleaned up he's in his underwear he's got a bathrobe on he looks in the room he's like what's going on they're shooting and I look over and I see him he's like what is happening and I like get in like go in and he jumped in like
03:29:43Roger Avarylike literally just threw off his bathrobe and jumped in with no preparation at all like that's how these actors were on that film and it was so
03:29:52Roger Avarymuch fun that like no intimacy coordinator nobody telling me what I can and can't do actors enthusiastic to push
03:30:02Roger Avarythe ceiling as far as they can and to go for it I shot the scene it was so good I was like how am I going to get this in the movie we don't have a budget for the
03:30:12Roger Avarysong there's no way I can afford that song but uh I found out that he's at CA um I called I found I be befriended
03:30:21Roger Avarythe agent his agent was Brian LS um this great great the agent that I love at CA Brian LS he um he basically uh said let
03:30:34Roger Avaryme let me call George you write a little letter and so I wrote George a letter he sent it to him I sent him the scene he said I love it you can have the song
03:30:44Roger AvaryGive it for he gave it for free oh wow that's awesome so no one can say anything negative to me about George Michael yeah to me George Michael is one
03:30:55Roger Avaryof the coolest guys he's a friend to an artist he's uh uh he was and I think that shot is one of the best shots I've ever done like when people when people
03:31:06Brian Atlasimitated it on YouTube I was like okay now I can die happy like yeah we have a final message here from uh Claud I think we might have already kind of got into this do you share the same
03:31:18Roger Avarysentiment on film than that Quinton does that digital film will be I think we kind of tou we doneth and the the the the the quick answer to that is both of them are
03:31:28Roger Avarypaints and depending on your project use the correct paint sweet well uh Roger uh thank you so much for uh this was really fun this was really fun this was a little bit like a dissertation like a
03:31:40Roger Avarylike a what do you call it a deposition a little a little bit like therapy little bit like an interview yeah yeah um where can people find you is there anything you want to plug you can find
03:31:51Roger Avaryme at uh patreon.com video archives where we're um doing the video archives podcast I mean the the podcast is you can also
03:32:01Roger Avarylisten to uh big chunks of it on uh Spotify or apple or whatever but you know for the for all the meat and potatoes and all the trimmings if you
03:32:12Roger Avarywant like you know cranberry sauce and if you want uh you know derky green bean salad as well that's what patreon is for sweet and
03:32:23Roger Avarythat's mostly because we've gone independent we were on Sirius XM before and um they were wonderful they were fantastic but the truth of the matter is
03:32:34Roger Avarythey really wanted us to do like the big hits like you know jaws and Godfather they just do the big ones do the ones everybody knows do the ones we love and Quenton is on a quest of of exploration
03:32:47Roger Avarylike and so we didn't want to have to like fight those fights which were constant we wanted to instead uh you know kind of
03:32:56Roger Avarylet we wanted to create a a model where Quenton could explore and do exactly what he wants to do and and so so far so good so so yeah so
03:33:08Roger Avarypatreon.com archives or you can go to avery.com AV y.com or to discover our social perfect yeah we we have all the links in the uh description of the video
03:33:21Brian Atlasgreat conversation thank you so much for uh thank you and thank you for everybody out there yeah and apprciate uh yeah we have all the links in the description if you want to go check out the podcast that you have with Quinton Tarantino uh
03:33:34Brian Atlasthank you everybody so much for tuning in live I hope you guys have a good night 07s in the chat and we'll see you guys on uh Sunday for our dating talk we'll get you on that now actually I'm kind of disappointed I would love to come here G are we getting you on one
03:33:47Roger Avarythan one of the dating talk well actually you know what if I were to come on she would have to come on with me because then um like cuz she keeps it real like she keeps me real like the Roger that you get when Gala is around
03:33:59Roger Avarythat's the real Roger I don't I should have had her do the the interview yeah oh I'm I'm doing interviews with her all the time well yeah you guys yeah you cool but yeah I would love to come on
03:34:09Roger Avaryyour uh your show yeah absolutely he some dating anecdotes from the from the set you know and sure there's a lot of interesting stuff we had all sorts of crazy stuff happen like this little kid
03:34:21Roger AvaryJesse Heyman who uh was a was an extra on set he's kind of you look him he's like oh the guy who's like in the everything he's the world's most famous extra well I started him I was the guy
03:34:34Roger Avarywho started him and the way I started him was he was at the dress to get screwed party and I was like exactly talking you over there and I had I had
03:34:41Roger AvaryRon solid yeah I had Ron Jeremy had all these STS uh like I called up Ron Jeremy and I said listen I need a bunch of you know people who are comfortable being
03:34:52Roger Avarynaked and so he called up all of his friends and they all came and they're all excited to be there we're paying them and they're at the party and they're doing their thing and I'm like okay you two girls your thing is all
03:35:03Roger Avarynight long you're going to just like be on this kid you are going to make his make his life the best life possible tonight yeah and I remember Shannon San sitting at the at the monitors behind
03:35:16Roger Avarycamera like laughing and we're shooting the scene with him and just off camera is his underwear and Shannon was watching she's like oh I I love watching it
03:35:25Brian Atlasgrow that I mean because he was like constantly like like getting erect that that's really funny though I know the exact scene that you're talking about you probably made that probably the best
03:35:37Roger Avaryday I'm still in touch with that guy I love that kid he's great he was a great extra yeah he was a great extra and then there's um I mean there was all sorts of people on that set like you know uh the guy who plays me on there the dumb guy
03:35:49Roger Avaryfrom La kind of blond looking guy with a hat on it the dress to get screwed party that guy became like a big director he's like yeah he became um really the guys who are playing direct yeah directs
03:36:01Brian Atlashorror movies he's really good fine director that's awesome so and it's like my alternate existence nice so very cool very cool well anyhow uh thanks again guys for tuning in I hope you guys have
03:36:13Brian Atlasa good night we'll see you guys on Sunday good night what a pleasure
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