LAWSUIT?! HIT PIECE & HATE MAIL REVIEW! DRAMA! BIG NEWS! SPECIAL GUEST! | Whatever Wednesday #2

Date: 2025-10-02

Duration: 3h 36m

Guests

Brian Atlas >

CCena >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Cena(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

00:00:24

IntroWhatever Wednesday with Cena as guest co-host

00:43:42

ControversyBrian plays original Andrew Wilson debate clip to debunk article's defamatory 'rape' claim

02:49:28

Key MomentReveals hate message was from Sydney Watson (conservative commentator) who declined debate

03:34:00

OtherBrian encourages Cena (19) to quit OnlyFans

Topics Discussed

00:09:00

NY Magazine Hit Piece Reaction

Brian reacts to article about debate podcasts. Misattributed clips, defamatory Andrew Wilson claim.

00:43:42

Andrew Wilson Rape Comment Defamation

Article claimed Andrew argued 'rape is only bad for certain people.' Brian plays original clip showing reductio ad absurdum.

01:11:00

Food/Dinner Skipping Women Debunked

Brian shows screenshots proving women are fed on the show.

01:38:12

Hate Mail Review

Cena reads large volume of hate mail from Instagram DMs and Discord.

02:49:28

Sydney Watson Reveal

Hate message was from conservative commentator Sydney Watson who backed out of appearing.

Transcript

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01:53:08

Brian Atlasstreams you can that are there's a lot of these debates on Tik Tok. Just do some of those. record it. I'll take a look. Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to kick you there. Uh, okay. All right, guys.

01:53:19

Brian AtlasHate mail time. Hate mail time. Oh, I I hid the chat. [ __ ] My bad. Uh, into the mic. Oh, yeah. They're saying speak into the mic. >> Sorry. >> This is below the threshold, but thank

01:53:31

Brian Atlasyou, Edge, for the uh 20 and up is for Reed. Thank you for the uh Thank you for the message, though.

01:53:41

Brian AtlasYeah. Like guys, I think the big thing with the difficulty with guest booking is just location. Location is every location, location, location. That's like the most important

01:53:53

Brian Atlasthing. Santa Barbara is a small small town, small small population. If we were in a major hub, Los Angeles, even like

01:54:04

Brian Atlasanother city in California, LA would obviously be the go-to. But if we were in San Diego or San Francisco, it would actually that'd be nuts to do this in feel like cuz it's super liberal

01:54:16

Brian Atlasin San Francisco. But I would never want to live in San Francisco. San Diego's cool. Don't really like LA, but San Die San Diego is like a bigger Santa Barbara. It's not as nice as Santa

01:54:28

Brian AtlasBarbara, but it's more I don't like LA, guys. But LA, you could do it. San Diego, you could do it. Las Vegas, somewhere like Austin, Texas,

01:54:38

Brian AtlasDallas, Texas, Miami, obviously New York, you could do it. Uh, those are pretty much really the only city

01:54:50

Brian Atlasonly cities I can think of where you could actually probably like have Well, you can we do it in Santa Barbara, obviously, but those were where where it would be easy, you know. I want to do a

01:55:02

Brian Atlastour though. We're gonna get a tour bus and we're gonna hit every single state. We're gonna go to Mississippi. We're gonna go to Alaska. We're gonna go to

01:55:12

Brian Atlasuh Oregon, Washington, Idaho, [ __ ] North Dakota, Montana. We're going to go everywhere.

01:55:22

Brian AtlasEverywhere. Arkansas. [ __ ] He says Little Rock. Minnesota. Yeah. [ __ ] Curtis. Minnesota. We're going to Kentucky,

01:55:32

Brian AtlasBlake. We're going to [ __ ] Wy Wyoming. We're going to Ohio. What the [ __ ] am I talking? What accent is that? I mean, Santa Santa Barbara is I

01:55:44

Brian Atlaswouldn't say it's popular. The population is really small. Okay. Hate mail time, guys. Oh, here we go. Thank you, Chef. We We read them,

01:55:55

Brian Atlasthough. We We did read them. Uh, thank you for the uh >> send it Streamlabs, guys. Our YouTube isn't super chats aren't aren't doing that. Uh,

01:56:10

Brian Atlasfor let's see. Could you imagine Asmin Gold and S fans? Guys, it'd be sick to get Asmin Gold on the show. He's reacted to

01:56:23

Brian Atlassome of our stuff, so it'd be cool. All right, guys. No further delay. Excuse me. No further delays. Hate mail time, boys.

01:56:33

Brian AtlasAll right, here we go. Um, let's see if how this looks. All right, guys. Join our Discord. Uh, one sec. If you

01:56:44

Brian Atlasstart here, discord.gg whatever. Is there discord.gg whatever. Uh, take the red

01:56:53

Brian Atlaspill. patreon.com. Can you guys see that? Yeah. You gota in order to access it, patreon.com whatever. Otherwise, you just get stuck in the rate pretty much the waiting room.

01:57:06

Brian AtlasUh we do this just because otherwise it'd be ridiculous to moderate it. We'd get a bunch of I if the Discord was fully 100% public, I wouldn't have a

01:57:16

Brian AtlasDiscord. It would just be completely abused by trolls and [ __ ] And so we just have to have it this way. Um,

01:57:25

Cenahold on. Uh, read this one. >> Brian, if you change your mind, do a test run on Friday and have your boy Nick or someone you trust handle the booking. It's easier for future guests

01:57:39

Brian Atlasand viewers on Friday instead of Tuesday. >> Uh, is it? I don't know. I don't know. the I do all the booking

01:57:49

Brian Atlasbecause I want to People might think that that's crazy, but I want to pick who comes on the show. That's important to me to have oversight. I don't want to

01:58:00

Brian Atlasjust throw a bunch of random people. I think I make good panels. I want to have discretion as to who comes. So, yeah. Uh, okay. Thank you.

01:58:12

Brian AtlasThank Thank you though for the uh message, man. Okay. Discord time. Let me see if we can leave the chat up while we do this. Uh, why

01:58:22

Brian Atlasdon't we just put it here? Let's see if that works.

01:58:30

Brian AtlasOh, wait. One thing. Sorry. Oh, you guys are going to hate me. One thing first, guys. My car is all [ __ ] up. So, I I had to bring it to the mechanic. Sorry.

01:58:40

Brian AtlasThat's why I was late. I I had to drop it off at the uh mechanic. And I got an Uber. Like I So I ordered an Uber and it was a woman.

01:58:55

Brian AtlasA woman picked me up. I was like, "Oh [ __ ] that's rare." And it reminded me of that whole uh thing with Uber. Uber

01:59:05

Brian Atlasfemale driver only or some [ __ ] You guys know what I'm talking about. women only like the women only ride options

01:59:19

Brian Atlasor are they going to women only rides?

01:59:27

Brian AtlasYeah. Anyways, and I was like, why can't I do why can't I just can I choose to only be picked up by a guy? You know what I mean? No. >> Like I don't want to be picked up by a

01:59:41

Brian Atlaswoman. >> Why? >> Well, why do women want to only be picked up by women >> for safety? >> Yeah, but I don't feel safe. >> If a woman's driving, you don't feel safe. >> I don't I don't feel safe.

01:59:53

Brian Atlas>> True. I wouldn't feel safe. >> But what's weird is people would be like, "Wow, Brian, that's really Well, not my base audience, obviously, but they'd be like, "Wow, Brian, that's really sexist." But why then? Why isn't

02:00:06

Brian Atlasthere a problem when women say, "I only want to ride with a woman. I only want to ride with a man." And it's like, look, from a male perspective,

02:00:15

Brian Atlasit's we don't want to be falsely accused. Fake accusation of something. Uh,

02:00:24

Brian Atlasbut the other thing was she was listening to NPR on the radio and it was like some lib [ __ ] you know? She was

02:00:36

Brian Atlaslistening to the NP I think it was NPR. I don't know. But it was clearly like anti-Trump conversation going on.

02:00:47

Brian AtlasI didn't say anything. I was I'm quiet. I'm not I'm not going to be obviously not going to be confrontational with my Uber driver. But yeah, it was like, oh

02:00:55

Brian Atlasmy god, they're they're ruining they're they're destroying democracy. And yeah, I just wanted a male driver. So, I didn't He probably would have been

02:01:06

Brian Atlaslistening to NPR. You know what? I bet she thinks she's like doing act This female Uber driver I had today is probably thinking she's

02:01:15

Brian Atlasdoing activism. All right. all my Uber rides. I'm gonna put on some liberal radio show and I'm gonna have to I'm

02:01:25

Brian Atlasgonna expose them to and if they listen to the radio show, they're going to become a liberal. They're going to vote Democrat.

02:01:37

Brian Atlas>> Did you give her one star? >> No, I'm I'm not going to. No, she was nice. I didn't talk to her at all. I I mean, I said, you know, I said, "Hey, what's up? Thank you for the ride." Blah, blah, blah.

02:01:54

Brian AtlasUh, no, I do drive, but my car is in the mechanic. Um, I was like, "Bro, I should become an Uber." Bro, guys,

02:02:05

Brian Atlasimagine if you were a male Uber driver in a super liberal area and you just you were just listening to Trump speeches.

02:02:15

Brian AtlasYou just any Yo chat, is there anybody in the chat a Uber driver, cab driver? What? Anybody in the chat? Are you an Uber driver? Just listen to [ __ ]

02:02:26

Brian AtlasNo. You guys would probably get bad reviews though, right? But just listen to Trump speeches.

02:02:36

Brian AtlasThat'd be so That'd be funny. Yeah, I need a new car. I need to get a new car. Can't fix a car. Hello, bro. Can't fix a [ __ ] There were major

02:02:47

Brian Atlasissues with the car. Okay, I need a new car. It's the I've guys, I'm not the materialistic guy. It's the same car I've had since like 2012, 2013.

02:02:59

Brian AtlasI need a new It's a 12, 13 year old car. I need a new car. New car, boys. New car. We're going to get it. I'm thinking Lexus. Wait,

02:03:12

Brian AtlasI need a car cuz my I got back problems. I need a car with a smooth ride. And I heard Lexus has good uh Is it suspension? >> Yes. >> Lexus has good suspension.

02:03:23

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Like I want to chat chat chat chat. What's a car with good like with a smooth ride? That's what I want. I don't care.

02:03:37

Brian AtlasI don't care how it looks. I just want cuz of my back pain, bro. I need a car that that's smooth. >> He needs a senior car.

02:03:47

Brian Atlas>> I need a grandpa car. >> Grandpa car.

02:03:54

Brian Atlas>> Muffled. What? What's I don't know if suspension is the right word. Pontiac, Cadillac, Ford, Mustang. Yeah. Okay. The Mustang's going to be a smooth ride. I I've heard Lexus is good though.

02:04:07

Brian Atlas>> I don't know if it's the suspension or the bends comfort. Lexus LS400. Get a Volvo. I think I have to I think I Lexus is

02:04:18

Brian Atlasgood, man. I don't know. I think I'm going to get a Lexus. >> I got a Lexus. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. You like it? >> Yeah. Crashed once.

02:04:28

Brian Atlas>> Oh, wait. Uh, here. Uh, Cam, thank you for the big [ __ ] hundred, but it we can't

02:04:39

Cenahere. I'll just have Cena read it. >> Love you, Brian. Thank you for always having Charlie's picture in the background. Love your show and look forward to every stream. You rock, man.

02:04:50

Brian Atlas>> Thank you uh so much for the big $100 soup chat. Uh, we're not able to pull up YouTube super chats, like actually display them on screen. Sorry about that. But for example,

02:05:04

CenaI'll read this one. >> I had a contractor at the house today and I had Tim Cass playing in the living room to feel him out. Get a Honda Accord. >> Honda Accord? I don't know. I don't

02:05:16

Brian Atlasknow. Okay. Hate mail. Hate mail. What time is it, by the way? How long How long we've been streaming? How long we've been streaming chat? Two hours. Okay. I don't know if uh we'll be able

02:05:27

Brian Atlasto get through all the hate mail in two in like one hour, but we'll we'll give it a shot. >> How much is this? >> There's a lot, so we'll see. Um

02:05:39

Brian AtlasI tried I test drove uh the Model Y Tesla and I test I also test drove the Cyber Truck. >> No, you didn't. >> I did.

02:05:50

Brian Atlas>> The Cybert truck. I test drove it. But honestly, I I like I liked the Teslas a lot, but the ride was not Tesla. I said Tesla. Did I say Tesla?

02:06:06

Brian AtlasIt wasn't very smooth. I got to admit it. The the ride on on the Model Y and the the Cybert truck not smooth. But

02:06:16

Brian Atlasotherwise, it was it was super cool. I Yeah, not smooth. Unfortunately, even the Model Y,

02:06:28

Brian Atlasbut uh Oh, te cuz Trump said Tesla. That's right. Tesla. That's funny. Yeah. Okay, let's do it, boys. Let's do

02:06:37

Brian Atlasit. Hate mail. Boom. Oops. Already scuffed.

02:06:47

Brian AtlasOh, no. I've got to scroll. Oh, wait. Here. We're here. All right. Um, Cena, you get to read every every single one.

02:06:59

CenaOkay, go read. >> Conservative trash. Stop targeting women in minorities. >> Damn. >> No girl ever wanted you and it shows

02:07:11

Cenaclown emoji. >> I'm a It's true. I'm a virgin. >> Yeah, just keep read the >> You are a vile, sexist pig. What the

02:07:21

Cenahell? You're a such a [ __ ] Why does Andrew look like he has been hit in the forehead with an axe? Has he

02:07:31

Brian Atlasannoyed someone this much? His annoyance is so distracting from his message. >> Disavow. Andrew has a lovely forehead.

02:07:41

CenaNo axe wounds. No axe wounds. Um, wait, let me just check. Yeah, it looks good. Read this one. >> Your video of the debate regarding older

02:07:51

Cenamen dating younger women was disgusting. You also always argue with the most left-wing people. I'm a rep Republican and can say that it is weird when older people, male or female, date someone who

02:08:04

Brian Atlasis nowhere near the maturity level. >> By the way, guys, just to be clear, these get these are some of the earlier ones. The hate mail gets way worse. Uh, so what's interesting, you're going to see, you guys are going to see a

02:08:15

Brian Atlaspattern. So, wait, do I want to put us on the I'll just leave us here on this side. You're going to see a pattern. Often times when people send these ma

02:08:26

Brian Atlasmessages, I'm not going to I don't talk [ __ ] back. I just invite them on the show. And sometimes people I even will in their hate message will be like, "You should put me on the show. I will I'll destroy

02:08:39

Brian Atlasyou. you would never invite someone smart like me. You only bring on young stupid o girls, blah blah blah. And I'm like, "Okay, come on the show." Every single time, hundreds of messages like

02:08:51

Brian Atlasthis, they they say, "Put me on the show." I say, "Cool. When can you do it?" Always an excuse. They never come. Never

02:09:00

Brian Atlascome. So, anyways, um this is some female. I guess she had an issue with age gap convo or something.

02:09:10

CenaUh, so whatever. Uh, okay. >> [ __ ] you guys. You are all [ __ ] I hope you all die in hell. Ducking, laughing at people for [ __ ] what? For

02:09:21

Cena[ __ ] what? You are all ducks and stupid ass pick me sons of [ __ ] Especially the white girl with the fake

02:09:29

Cenaass smile. That [ __ ] is the pick me out of you all [ __ ] dicks. you know, so this is kind of pretty

02:09:40

Brian Atlasstandard standard uh kind of, you know, hate mail, whatever. But, uh, hey, it is what it is. Uh, hope you guys, she says, "Hope we die in hell." Very, actually, I

02:09:53

Cenacan't tell if that's a man or women woman, but uh, whatever. >> Your podcast is disgusting. You mass your altight podcast as a college

02:10:04

Cenastudent podcast having clearly stupid college students debate Ivy League educated people on political issues. Why don't you have a real debate that's even

02:10:13

Cenaon both sides? You're giving conservative like myself a bad look. Disgusting. As a traditional Republican, I don't support pigs like Charlie Kirk

02:10:24

Brian Atlasor Andrew Tate. You're part of the reason our party has a bad look. So, I guess this was a conservative woman. >> Yeah.

02:10:35

Brian Atlas>> Um, stupid college students debate Ivy League educated people. So, I dropped out of college. I dropped out of a community. I dropped

02:10:45

Brian Atlasout of community college. So, I mean, that's kind of crazy. I give conservatives. Also, it's really weird. Traditional Republican, but she says she

02:10:55

Brian Atlasdoesn't support pigs like Charlie Kirk. Andrew Tate is not conservative, but Charlie Kirk is mainstream. Also, mind you, some of these have were sent.

02:11:08

Brian AtlasThis is were scrolled up all the way to the top. Uh I posted this September 19th, 2024. So,

02:11:18

Brian Atlasthis is almost a year ago, right? Um so, you know what I mean?

02:11:28

Brian AtlasBut yeah, um I probably invited her on the show too and she probably backed out or Whoops. Wait,

02:11:38

Cenacan you guys see that if it's this big or no? We'll just make it smaller. >> You guys are the worst podcast I've ever [ __ ] watched. Starting [ __ ] and

02:11:50

Cenaattacking women for no good reason. Good job. You degenerate misinogic pigs. Mis misogynistic pigs. >> Yep. >> They're so mean. >> I'm used to it, though. It doesn't even

02:12:03

Brian Atlasphase me at this point. Uh, wait. Could you do me a favor, Cena? Uh, >> can you grab water? There's in the Wait, I'm going to try to use my finger. You see like right here in the closet there's like >> Oh, yeah.

02:12:16

Brian Atlas>> Kirkland water. Can you grab like two for me? >> Yes. >> And if you want, feel free to grab one for yourself. All right. All right, guys. You're going to see her socks.

02:12:31

Brian AtlasUh, let's see. We have more hate mail.

02:12:37

Brian AtlasGreta Thurberg has been detained. Oh, yeah. Should we look it up? Greta Thberg.

02:12:50

Brian AtlasBro, what is she doing? >> I thought she was kidnapped >> six hours ago. Thank you.

02:13:02

Brian AtlasWait, chat, did you guys see that stuff? Wait, hold on. Did you guys see that stuff where they

02:13:12

Brian Atlaslit their own boat on fire, but they said it was like Oh, what did they call it? Chad, do you know what I'm talking about?

02:13:23

Brian AtlasThey set off a flare. They said it was a drone attack. They They shot a flare and it landed back in their boat or something

02:13:32

Brian Atlasand then they were claiming that Israel was drowned attacked them. Bro, I don't know how they these people have like any credibility whatsoever. It's

02:13:43

Brian Atlascomplet It's ridiculous. Anyways, we'll go back to the uh the uh Discord. Excuse me. All right.

02:13:54

CenaAll right. Um one sec. Misogynistic pigs. Okay. So, I just saw

02:14:04

Cenaa clip of your podcast where a man on it is telling Only Fans women that if you put their brain inside a man's body that men would be in poverty. You dumb ass

02:14:16

Cena[ __ ] You are a [ __ ] podcast. If the internet and misogynistic men didn't exist to listen to your podcast, you would also be in poverty.

02:14:27

Brian AtlasUh well, I mean the thing is is that I started doing content creation in 2012. Wasn't doing this podcast. I was doing

02:14:39

Brian Atlasfine before the podcast. If the podcast ended, I would just do something else. I don't know. I' I'd be fine. Um so, by the way, I should have mentioned this.

02:14:51

Brian AtlasDoes the chair go up a little bit? I'm wondering if you can put it up. you. >> Is it this? >> No, it's probably not that.

02:14:59

Brian Atlas>> You know what? Just leave it. It's fine. It's It's actually fine. Uh, okay. Also, what she's referencing in this one

02:15:10

Brian Atlasis uh Marquette, I think, said this. So, that's not me. I didn't say that. But, uh, I mean, in the context that he said

02:15:20

Cenait, it kind of made sense. Okay. This is the worst podcast I have ever seen in my life. So completely misogynistic and disrespectful towards women. Like why is it 34

02:15:32

Brian Atlas>> Wait, hold on. Somebody's getting a perma. One sec. All right, hold on. Nepo baby. I'm a Nepo. I'm a Nepo baby, bro. I drive a [ __ ]

02:15:45

Brian Atlasuh Hold on. Well, I'm not going to say that, but I drive a a a 13-year-old car. All right, Chris, enjoy the perma. Uh

02:15:55

Brian Atlas13-year-old car. I I freaking I don't I no bling. I don't have a

02:16:05

Brian Atlas[ __ ] Rolex. I'm just uh Nepo, baby. Nepo, baby. Like my dad was a [ __ ] podcaster or some [ __ ] My dad's a My dad's an engineer.

02:16:19

Brian Atlas>> Oh, damn. >> Nepo babe. I'm the first in my entire family history to ever be involved in the like the entertainment industry. What?

02:16:29

Brian AtlasWhat? Like I didn't grow up in uh obviously Santa Barbara is a nice place.

02:16:37

Brian AtlasLike had a modest childhood like at least relatively speaking growing up in Santa Barbara.

02:16:46

Brian AtlasIt's not like I'm I lived in a mansion or anything or uh No. Anyways, whatever. Whatever.

02:16:57

Brian Atlas[ __ ] Nepo baby. The [ __ ] Nepo baby. What?

02:17:10

Brian AtlasAll right. Okay. Anyways. Anyways,

02:17:18

Brian Atlasyeah, boys. Nepo baby. Wait. Okay, where is it?

02:17:27

Brian AtlasAlso, I started YouTube in 2012. Like, that was most kind of the beginning of like when people really started. I'm

02:17:39

Brian Atlasa [ __ ] OG. making like making money from social media. 2012 was kind of the beginning.

02:17:50

CenaAnyways, whatever. Uh, hold on. Back to this. Back to this. Sorry. Did I Did we read this? >> Not fully. Like, why is a 34year-old

02:18:01

Cenadisgusting man asking 19year-old girls about dick size, their body weight, and their body count? You You talk nothing about relationships and dating. You are disgusting.

02:18:13

Cena>> This 34 year old man should be talking to people his own age about these things, not fresh college girls. He is also the most immature man I've ever seen, yelling and cussing out a young

02:18:23

Cenagirl as she walks about the door all while filling her out. Uh, >> I guess there's more.

02:18:36

CenaJust this part. Oh, wait. Starting here. >> This 34 year old man does not have any respect and maturity whatsoever. This man should not be allowed to have a platform.

02:18:47

Brian Atlas>> Oh wow. Well, you know, look, boys. Uh oh. Wait. I want to try something. Hold on. Wait. I want to see if this is going to work.

02:19:00

Brian AtlasNo, that's not going to work. Never mind.

02:19:05

Brian AtlasUh, look, a lot of these are from so long ago. I actually don't even recall what she's referring to. Maybe it was the the Tamagotchi girl that I had to kick out. Um,

02:19:18

Brian Atlasyeah, she's she's being rude first and yeah, we filmed the kickouts and uh I have women who come on the show who

02:19:27

Brian Atlasare older than me. So, this is just the same typical trope of, oh, you only bring on 18 year olds, blah, blah, blah.

02:19:36

Brian AtlasNot true. We bring on people of every age. We bring on anywhere from 18 to 70. We've brought on all ages. Completely

02:19:44

Cenafake news. Average age 25. But anyways, next. Thank you. >> You're you're a pathetic version. You

02:19:55

Brian Atlasshame women because no one wants to date you and you take it out on the entire female race. >> The the entire female race. What is the

02:20:04

Brian Atlasfemale race? Is female a race? I think it's Anyways, um she is right though. I am a pathetic virgin. Um no

02:20:15

Brian Atlaswoman has ever wanted to date me. It's very sad. Very sad. I um I might even die a virgin

02:20:25

Brian Atlasat this point. Um I've never even um you know

02:20:33

Brian AtlasI've never even been hugged by a woman. I need my I I need my stream deck over here so I can play the sad music.

02:20:45

Brian AtlasYou shame women. I don't shame women. You know what I mean? Uh, all right. Well, there it is. All right.

02:20:59

Brian Atlas>> You're a [ __ ] idiot. >> She's probably right. You know, she's probably right. I am pretty stu I am

02:21:08

Cenastupid. I'm very stupid. >> Good job for feeding into incel ideology and creating a safe space for people to do for people to ridicule and hate

02:21:19

Brian Atlaswomen. Continue spreading the hate and misinformation, bestie. Thank you, bestie. >> I I don't understand this idea that like

02:21:29

Brian Atlasdebating somebody and disagreeing with them is spreading hate. Uh, I don't even think I I would fall into like I'm I

02:21:41

Brian Atlasmean I know I joke about being a virgin, but I definitely don't fall into being involuntarily celibate.

02:21:50

Brian AtlasUh, never been the case. But I I mean like also what exactly is incel ideology?

02:22:02

Brian AtlasAnd also I don't this idea of just like calling somebody an incel like it's lost all its meaning. You're an incel. They don't it's just like when you call some when these

02:22:13

Brian Atlaspeople call you an incel. They're not actually using it to make a claim that you're actually involuntarily celibate.

02:22:23

Brian AtlasThey're typically just using it in the same vein as calling you you're a fascist, you're a Nazi, you're a racist, you're a sexist. They want to throw out the

02:22:34

Brian Atlasbuzzword because rhetorically, at least it used to be really effective and it used to signal to people on your side. I don't I personally don't think it's

02:22:44

Brian Atlasrhetorically effective and here's how. And also, you can just get them really caught up. You just ask them to define what they mean when they accuse you when when they use a

02:22:56

Brian Atlasbuzzword. Okay, you're you're a misogynist. Okay, let's explore that. How do you define misogyny? What have I specifically said that is

02:23:09

Brian Atlasmisogynistic? Oh, well, you're expecting me. No, no, no. I don't need verbatim. Just tell me the essence of what you think I believe. Doesn't have to be verbatim. Doesn't

02:23:22

Brian Atlashave to be a quote. Just give me the essence of what you think I've said or believe. And uh oh, Rachel Wilson's in the chat. Yo, Rachel, thank you for it looks like

02:23:35

Brian Atlasyou gifted subs. Thank you, Rachel. Appreciate it. Uh yeah, I mean, and I don't I don't hate women. Um,

02:23:47

Brian AtlasI can sit here and say, and we talked about this last stream when we were talking about Drew, she had this crazy video, uh, Drew Aollow where she says she hates men and she was

02:23:58

Brian Atlason the podcast saying it. She's got a massive million-doll Spotify deal. She's got major major sponsors and um

02:24:10

Brian AtlasI don't know. I I would never I don't hate women. I don't I think that and I would not encourage anybody in my chat to just blanket hate women. I think you can dislike people for what they think.

02:24:23

Brian AtlasLike you can or you can even just specifically dislike their ideology, what they believe, but I I've never advocated that people should hate women. I don't hate women. I think women are great.

02:24:36

Brian AtlasThere are specific women or groups of women I disagree with whether it's politically or whether it's related more so to dating topics, but I think women are great.

02:24:47

Brian AtlasNever never hate would say I hate women. Don't hate women. So, uh yeah. Uh okay, next one. Hey Brian, I'm not famous, but I have 7K

02:24:59

Cenafollowers on TikTok and would love to be on your podcast. I think you are disgusting and would love to join the disc and would love to join the discourage right discourse. >> Discourse

02:25:10

Cena>> discourse let me know what day I'll be there with all my college educated besties could maybe shine a light on your audience.

02:25:18

Brian Atlas>> So this is again keep these messages in mind where they're extending a challenge to come debate me or come on the show.

02:25:29

Brian AtlasI'll show you. Uh, I don't know if I have followup on this girl, but I can I can guarantee you

02:25:39

Brian Atlaswe we're I when somebody says this, you're disgusting, blah, blah, blah. I'm never I don't get mad. I'm just like, okay,

02:25:50

Brian Atlascome on the show and let's talk about it. I don't I don't insult them back. I keep it professional. I keep it polite. and I say, "Cool. Let's schedule it.

02:26:00

Brian AtlasCome on the show. I will happily debate you. I will happily bring on people who disagree with me. Even I'll bring I'll even bring people on who are

02:26:10

Brian Atlasantagonistic towards me like this. I'm not going to just have a knee-jerk reaction." Now, what I do do,

02:26:18

Brian Atlasadmittedly, when they invariably be are cowards and I say, "Let's schedule it. Let's

02:26:28

Brian Atlasschedule it. Let's schedule it. And they they basically just um run.

02:26:39

Brian AtlasThen maybe I'll talk a bit of [ __ ] Then I'll be like, "You know what? You're typical. You're just like everybody else. You're

02:26:48

Brian Atlaslike the hundreds of other people, mostly women, who have sent me a message just like this saying, "Let me on the

02:26:58

Brian Atlasshow. I'll I'll school you." And then when we we don't we're not antagonistic back towards you. I invite them on. They run and they they back

02:27:09

Brian Atlasout. They're cowards. And then I just tell them I'm like, "You're a coward. It's all bark, no bite. All bark, no bite. You're the one who issued the

02:27:20

Brian Atlaschallenge, not me. Why are you running? Why are you issuing a challenge and then backing out? Anyways, here's Oh, this is a really

02:27:31

Cenagood example. Really good example. Okay, go ahead. >> Hey, watched multiple videos and wondering if you only have idiot and sex

02:27:39

Cenaworkers on. Your [ __ ] would be so easy to debunk if you ever actually spoke to a normal working woman, but I'm

02:27:50

Cenasure you're too [ __ ] for that conversation. Please, I love to I love to actual intelligent I love to actual intelligent conversation for once.

02:28:03

Brian Atlas>> For forgive her. She's Canadian. She doesn't speak English. >> That doesn't make sense. >> So, um and you'll notice, guys, so people people she called me a [ __ ] right? This is my response to her.

02:28:14

Brian AtlasCompletely ignore it. I just say, "We'd happily have you on to have this convo." Those though most people who say stuff like this don't have the courage to actually follow through.

02:28:26

CenaUh, and there's more though. >> I So, go ahead, read it. >> Trust me, I would destroy Brian and Andrew, but I live in Atlanta and will not

02:28:38

Cenaspend my own funds to fly out to CA to completely to completely own them. >> To completely own them. >> Rachel, are you in the chat? Rachel, do

02:28:49

Brian Atlasyou see this? Trust trust me, she says. So, I I I preemptively say you don't have the courage to actually follow through with your challenge. Are you in the chat,

02:29:01

Brian AtlasRachel? Trust me, I would destroy Brian and Andrew. Now look, it's possible you might destroy Brian Atlas.

02:29:13

Brian AtlasIt's possible somebody could destroy me. I've I've lost uh arguments. I've lost debates.

02:29:21

Brian AtlasNobody. Nobody is destroying Andrew Wilson. Okay. Nobody. Nobody. Um but by the way, so she says she won't spend her own funds.

02:29:37

Brian AtlasRachel says, "Brian isn't wrong. I've tried to get some of these girls to come on in person to debate me." Yeah, it's all Rachel 100%. It's all talk. All talk.

02:29:47

Brian AtlasAnd um they sometimes Rachel, they won't I'll be like I I'll go through this and I'll say just do a call-in. You don't you

02:30:00

Brian Atlasdon't have to come in studio. You don't have to spend money. And as you see here, I say, "We'll reimburse her flight." She has no excuse now because she says, "Oh, I live in Atlanta. I'm

02:30:12

Brian Atlasnot going to spend my own money. I'll I'll pay for your flight. I'll pay for your fight." But it continues. And then now she uh some of her criticisms, if you can read them,

02:30:24

Cena>> what are you expected to learn from convos with sex workers and 18 to 20year-old girls? house is not what is per

02:30:36

Brian Atlas>> wait no no no it's sorry I it's >> perpetuatuating >> no it's perpetuat >> ituat >> in >> perpetuating

02:30:50

Cena>> keep going >> hating woman how slash why hating women help helping and publicizing it to society into the mic. >> How do you think belittling women helps

02:31:02

Cenayounger men? Also, realistically, both husband and wives have to work in this economy. So, why is it the woman's responsibility to come home from a 9 to5

02:31:11

Cenaand have to do all the housework? >> Uh, what about this

02:31:20

Cena>> number eight? Brian has been rejected by women and has chose a path to belittle and downgrade them as a career. aka a beta at best. >> Beta

02:31:33

Cenaread this part. >> We'll not be traveling to Cal California for this, but a good list of topics to start with.

02:31:41

Brian Atlas>> So, mind you, going back to the very beginning, your [ __ ] would be so easy to

02:31:51

Brian Atlasdebunk. Blah blah blah. I'm sure you're too [ __ ] for that convo. I'd love to I'd love to actual Wait, what? Hold on, please. I'd love to actual intelligent

02:32:03

Brian Atlas>> See, I told you. >> Well, it's her fault. She She's [ __ ] illiterate. But I'd love to actual intelligent conversation for once. And then and then I sent So, I send the invite, right? I send the invite here.

02:32:16

Brian AtlasHappily have a convo, but I call her a coward, basically. Uh it was more polite than that. And then she says, "Trust me, I would destroy you, but I live in atlant." First excuse number one, I live in

02:32:28

Brian AtlasAtlanta. I'm not going to spend my own money. I respond, "We will reimburse your flight." And then I send her an actual flight. And I said, "Book it."

02:32:40

Brian AtlasAnd then despite my promise, despite me saying I will pay for the flight, I'm not going to travel to California. So So now the the goalpost has shifted.

02:32:52

Brian AtlasIt's I'm going to own you. You're a [ __ ] Oh, I'm not going to spend my own money. Oh, no. I'm not going to travel. Period. And then and then I responded, "Guess

02:33:03

Brian Atlasyou're too puss [ __ ] to have this convo." Which is a call back to her saying that I'm too [ __ ] to have the convo. Um,

02:33:15

Brian Atlasnot [ __ ] just not worth the trip. And I say, "We offered to pay for it." Oh. Wait. Oh, that it's just repeating. Um,

02:33:25

Brian Atlasultimately, um, oh, so we offered to pay for her flight. She ended up blocking us after a few attempts to schedule the debate. I'll

02:33:36

Brian Atlasbark. No bite. So, look guys, this is what I deal with every week. Put me on the show. Put me on the show, Brian. Yeah, she blocked.

02:33:50

Brian AtlasYou're too [ __ ] You're too [ __ ] to talk to me. Put me on the show. Okay, let's do it. Well, I don't want to I don't want to

02:34:01

Brian Atlasfly out there. I don't I don't want to spend money. We'll pay for it. Well, you know, I don't want to do the travel, actually. Oh, well, uh, okay. Let's do

02:34:11

Brian AtlasDiscord call. Well, you know, I'm I can't do that. It's crazy. Crazy, right, Cena? Yep. See, >> she's a [ __ ] >> [ __ ] >> [ __ ] >> [ __ ]

02:34:24

Brian Atlas>> [ __ ] >> Very feminine, by the way, when women say. I don't like that. I don't even like to use the word. It's not It's a It's a nasty

02:34:35

Brian Atlasword. Well, if you use it in use it as an insult. Anyways, whatever. But when women call I don't know. Go ahead.

02:34:44

Cena>> You are disgraceful. Haha. I have the best father in the world. He is he CEO and he still has enough empathy to support my mom

02:34:58

Cenaand my family. Whether it be the occasional household chore and it hasn't been so black and white for my family. Your whole channel is a complete brain rot and you're everything that is wrong

02:35:09

Cenawith society. Moreover, you're a sorry loser and a weak and act like a little [ __ ] have fun knowing you're a little beta.

02:35:19

Brian Atlas>> Beta. So, um I believe I also invited her to come do a debate. I don't always post like I don't post Yeah.

02:35:30

Brian Atlaslike all the exchanges like I do here like I don't know. Um but I'm pretty sure she we also sent her the invite.

02:35:41

Brian AtlasAnd by the way, when even though they they talk all this [ __ ] I always start out nice, you know, I'll always send, you know, oh, you're you're too much of a [ __ ]

02:35:54

Brian AtlasI'll just be like, hey, happy to have the convo, blah, blah, blah. I'm never going to be cuz obviously look there the the easiest out that you can give your opponent is even if they're being

02:36:06

Brian Atlasantagonistic towards you they can be calling you they can say I hope you die blah blah all this crazy [ __ ] they can say that you know in insults whatever the easiest out that you can give

02:36:17

Brian Atlassomebody who's trying uh who's proposing a challenge is to insult them back and it just it gives them the out but if you keep things professional and polite They can never be like, "Well, oh, he was being antagonistic. I wouldn't feel

02:36:30

Brian Atlassafe." Don't give them the out. Don't never give them the out. Um, it's going to start getting dark pretty soon, so we'll do we'll keep going for a little bit,

02:36:39

Cenabut we'll probably rap pretty soon. >> What the Wait, you're so ugly. >> Yeah, and sometimes I just get insults like that.

02:36:50

Brian Atlas>> Someone stalk her Instagram. >> No, no, no, no. Look, I know. Don't don't message these people. Don't contact the these people. Uh I don't

02:37:00

Brian Atlasdon't do that. Don't do that. But um uh I think it's fair game though to post their messages. If you're going to send

02:37:07

Brian Atlasa nasty message, uh you know, I'm I think it's fair game to post it. So yeah. Uh let me pull this up.

02:37:22

CenaSeriously, I just want to share something. Facebook had to protect your punk ass from my opinions about how [ __ ] useless you truly are. I am a male and well, I'm saying what you

02:37:34

Brian Atlasreally need is a good throat twack. >> Throat twack. Uh, so yeah, we'll get some kind of more threatening stuff like that. Cena, can you do me a favor? We

02:37:44

Brian Atlasneed to turn the lights on. >> Yeah. Um, do you see over underneath the >> Yeah, >> the thing the two knobs. I think it's the one on the right. Just the one on the right. Can you turn that one on for

02:37:57

Brian Atlasme? >> It's getting a little dark, boys. We got to turn the lights on. Look, guys. It's uh, you know, it's getting late. Sun's going down. So, uh, going to turn some lights on

02:38:10

Brian Atlaslittle Yeah, that's good. Thank you, Cena. Uh, let's do a little I wonder if we have a chat break here really quick just just as we take a little moment break, but we'll do some more hate mail. Yo, Jay, thank for the gifted 10. Appreciate

02:38:22

Brian Atlasit, man. Christopher, thank for the gifted five. Rachel, thank you again for the five. I don't know if you're still in the chat, but

02:38:31

Brian Atlasuh Oh, [ __ ] Hold on, guys. We got some uh this one. I'll have you read it once it comes up here.

02:38:44

Brian AtlasYo, Rachel, thank you so much. Appreciate it. And then we have a chat from uh Muddy Ninja. >> Ah, just get a Kia Soul, Brian.

02:38:56

Brian Atlas>> Yo, guys, W's in the chat for Ninja with the big 100. Thank you so much, man. The threshold's way lower, but I really appreciate the massive support, dude. Thank you so much, man. What a legend.

02:39:07

Brian AtlasHe is a legend. He's a He's a He is a a gentleman and a scholar.

02:39:13

Brian AtlasThank you. Okay, back to the hate mail, boys. All right. Uh, next. Oops. My bad. >> Dumb ass American.

02:39:26

Cena>> Oh, this one's crazy. You can read it. >> Tell me why. >> Actually, don't read the last part. They can see it. But read Yeah, you're fine. >> Dumb ass American. Tell me why were women not allowed in war? because we all

02:39:37

Brian Atlasknow you don't know. >> And then we're not going to read the last part just cuz it'll probably be a little tailed. But you >> these are some of the [ __ ] vile

02:39:47

Cenamessages that we get. >> Making fun of women or making them feel uncomfortable doesn't make you smart. You're only craving views and you're a bad influence for the next generation.

02:39:59

Brian AtlasYou're part of the reason why we're degressing and I hate it. Plus, you're ridiculous. And then I sent a heart emoji and I just say, "Want to be on the show?" And uh

02:40:11

CenaI'm pretty sure she just Yeah. didn't respond. >> Oh, this girl. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh my gosh. The more I research your podcast, the more I realize you want

02:40:21

Cenawomen unprepared so you can bombard them. Why else would you invite a stranger to speak without having an initial interview process first? Your channel actually seems pretty dangerous

02:40:33

Cenafor women and it seems most of you have a pretty strong disclaimer for women. Any thoughts on that? >> No, it's uh dis. Repeat after me. Disdain. >> No, no, it's disdain.

02:40:49

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, >> disdain for woman. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Any thoughts on that? >> Well, the first part is this idea that the women are unprepared. So, first off, the majority of the people we

02:41:01

Brian Atlashave on the show ask to be on the show. So, that means they've been watching the show for a period of time, whether that's a couple days, couple weeks, couple months, years. We've had guests

02:41:10

Brian Atlaswho reach out in 2023, they first make it on the show, 2025. People have very s well ultimately they have sufficient period of time to do the necessary and

02:41:22

Brian Atlasrequisite preparation before coming on the show. Uh, everybody who who comes on the show, almost everybody um, at least the majority of them that reach out to

02:41:34

Brian Atlasus absolutely have time to prepare. When we've done outreach, which is a minority of the people who come on the show, I think it's about 20% of total guests, we

02:41:44

Brian Atlasreached out to them. We book people typically weeks to weeks to one to two months in advance. We do all our outreach via Instagram.

02:41:57

Brian AtlasThe very first link at the top of our Instagram is a link to our YouTube channel where we post the full live unedited, uncensored, unclipped, whatever full live streams

02:42:09

Brian Atlasfor anybody to watch. You can watch the entire you can watch an entire episode before you come on to get a feel for how it's going to go. the questions that are asked, many of the questions, much to

02:42:21

Brian Atlasthe chagrin, good word by the way, much to the chagrin of my audience gets repeated almost every [ __ ] show because I'm autistic and have o I don't know if it's

02:42:32

Brian AtlasOCD. I much to the chagrin of my audience, I love asking the same questions in over and over. So, you can be very well prepared by watching one

02:42:44

Brian Atlasprevious episode. So, this idea that the women are unprepared, most of them asked to be on the show, they should do their due diligence. Um, temp template questions, well put.

02:42:56

Brian AtlasUh, and even if we're the ones doing outreach, we're not hiding anything. Google us, look us up on YouTube. It's all there. It's all there. There's no

02:43:06

Brian Atlasmystery. Um, stranger to You know what's interesting though? This criticism I get on this is uh I think you know you you guys know Dean

02:43:16

Brian Atlasand Parker. You guys know Dean and Parker. I would argue so my show right we book people in advance.

02:43:28

Brian AtlasI'm not doing Tik Tok debates. I would argue that what Dean and Parker do, they've also done street interviews, by the way, which look, and by the way, I'm not

02:43:40

Brian Atlassaying there's anything wrong with their format that that Dean and Parker do. There's nothing wrong with street interviews. I don't I don't think there's anything wrong. But to argue that my show is like, "Oh my god, you're

02:43:52

Brian Atlastaking you're taking advantage of unprepared people." If you guys are familiar with their debates that they do on TikTok, you

02:44:03

Brian Atlascould be some lit some [ __ ] I'm not trying to be mean, but there's dumb people on both sides. There's dumb [ __ ] Republicans. There's dumb

02:44:13

Brian AtlasDemocrats. You could be some [ __ ] college dropout um [ __ ] line cook who lives in

02:44:22

Brian AtlasMississippi and you're on the By the way, I uh Tik Tok's already a low IQ app to begin with. You're just doom scrolling on on Tik Tok and you're a

02:44:32

Brian AtlasMAGA Trump supporter and you fall on this on the Twink stream. you fall on Dean's twink debate streams and he's

02:44:42

Brian Atlaslike what prove uh what what is the typical Dean thing that he puts like Trump is terrible for America or

02:44:50

Brian Atlaswhatever [ __ ] prompt Dean has and this [ __ ]

02:44:58

Brian Atlashigh school dropout line cook in [ __ ] Mississippi who no offense to him he's

02:45:05

Brian Atlasprobably like below average IQ Q can can join immediately get pulled up to debate a professional debater with a grounding

02:45:16

Brian Atlasbase in philosophy and get completely destroyed by Dean. So, by the way, I don't have an issue with

02:45:26

Brian Atlaswhat they're doing with their format, but this criticism I face of the guests are unprepared is so [ __ ] ridiculous. And Dean has levied this

02:45:38

Brian Atlascriticism towards me. Brian, you bring on these young unprepared women. Dean, you're Tik Tok is the lowest IQ app there is.

02:45:47

Brian Atlasagain, some [ __ ] high school dropout [ __ ] 60-year-old methout grandma. I've heard some of the people that call

02:45:56

Brian Atlasin to Dean's [ __ ] These people, trust me, are unprepared. To to Dean and Parker's credit, they they are skilled debaters.

02:46:07

Brian AtlasThere's no doubt about it. Dean and Parker are very good debaters. Not as good as Andrew Wilson, but very good debaters.

02:46:17

Brian AtlasYou put up almost any Republican against Dean and Parker, if that Republican doesn't have debate experience and doesn't have a really strong grounding in his understanding of the various

02:46:30

Brian Atlaspolitical topics that they're going to want to debate you on. And even if perhaps they might even be lacking in the uh philosophical groundwork and foundation, they're going to smoke them. The thing

02:46:42

Brian Atlasyou have to understand with professional debaters chat is, and this this goes both sides. Regardless of who's right or wrong on an issue,

02:46:54

Brian Atlasright? Let's say you're you're right. You're you are correct. But if you're not a professional debater, you don't know the sort of rhetorical

02:47:04

Brian Atlastricks and the questions and the Socratic, you know, questioning that can occur or the the setups and the the uh

02:47:13

Brian Atlasuh what's the the trap questions. You can be 100% right on an issue, but and the person could even be devil's

02:47:22

Brian Atlasadvocate who's the professional debater even if you're right on an issue. A professional debater will make you wrong.

02:47:33

Brian AtlasDoes that make sense? You could be if you're right, but you don't know how to debate, you'll you'll look you'll look bad.

02:47:44

Brian AtlasYou'll look wrong. They'll make you look really stupid. Um, imagine calling people on your side, your own side idiots to win an argument.

02:47:56

Brian AtlasWait, what? Well, hold on. It's just, look, uh, it's just factually true that there are going to be stupid Democrats and stupid

02:48:08

Brian AtlasRepublicans. Like, that's just factually true. I I don't see how that that is at all a controversial claim. Um

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