LAWSUIT?! HIT PIECE & HATE MAIL REVIEW! DRAMA! BIG NEWS! SPECIAL GUEST! | Whatever Wednesday #2
Date: 2025-10-02
Duration: 3h 36m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Cena(guest)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:00:24
IntroWhatever Wednesday with Cena as guest co-host
00:43:42
ControversyBrian plays original Andrew Wilson debate clip to debunk article's defamatory 'rape' claim
02:49:28
Key MomentReveals hate message was from Sydney Watson (conservative commentator) who declined debate
03:34:00
OtherBrian encourages Cena (19) to quit OnlyFans
Topics Discussed
00:09:00
NY Magazine Hit Piece Reaction
Brian reacts to article about debate podcasts. Misattributed clips, defamatory Andrew Wilson claim.
00:43:42
Andrew Wilson Rape Comment Defamation
Article claimed Andrew argued 'rape is only bad for certain people.' Brian plays original clip showing reductio ad absurdum.
01:11:00
Food/Dinner Skipping Women Debunked
Brian shows screenshots proving women are fed on the show.
01:38:12
Hate Mail Review
Cena reads large volume of hate mail from Instagram DMs and Discord.
02:49:28
Sydney Watson Reveal
Hate message was from conservative commentator Sydney Watson who backed out of appearing.
Transcript
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Brian AtlasHey, what's up guys? How's it going? >> Hope you guys are doing well. Welcome to episode two of Whatever Wednesday. I'm
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Brian AtlasI've got a special guest. Cena is uh helping me out. She was on Sunday's panel and she's been on the show three, four times before. Yeah.
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Brian Atlas>> And so she was just uh sticking around in Santa Barbara. So she's going to be reading chats. Uh and you know, if you guys send in a TTS or well, I think we'll just do reads since I have Cena
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Brian Atlashere. She'll just read instead of it being TTS. So instead of the British AI robot voice, you can have a Canadian Chinese girl do it for you instead.
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Brian Atlas>> I'm kind of blind. >> She's She is blind, so she's going to be up on the monitor looking for it. She's also going to read it in Mandarin, too. She's going to translate it to Mandarin. And then Yo, what's up, guys? I'm just
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Brian Atlasgoing to read some of the chats here before we jump into the uh topics for today. Uh yo, Darien, what's up, man? Not sure if she it's for Ken or China, but she's a spy.
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Brian AtlasUh, wait, let me move I'm going to move the chat over here. Yo, what's up, guys? Uh,
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Brian Atlasoh, wow. Okay, the chat's already coming in spicy. Okay. Uh, yo, what's up, Kev? Mike, Cheeks, Max, what's up, guys?
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Brian AtlasMark, how's it going? HBomb, what's up? Just going to say what's up to you guys for a little bit here as we get into it. Guys, we got a lot to cover today. There was a hit piece that came out yesterday
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Brian Atlasthat we're going to review a hit piece on my on my podcast major publication. Give us some patience. Give us some grace as we kind of, you know, figuring
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Brian Atlasout. Uh I walked past Brian in Amsterdam. He had a horse mask on. Actually, yeah, that was probably that was probably me. That was probably Hold on. I want to see if I can find the video.
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Brian Atlas>> What? >> Uh, let's see. Video Amsterdam. I did some stuff in Amsterdam. Let's see.
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Brian AtlasUh, you know what? Whatever. If you guys want, find my old prank videos. Frames dropping. >> This is lagging.
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Brian Atlas>> It's lagging. Maybe try uh It's buffering. Uh, one in the chat if the stream is okay, guys. One in the chat if the stream is okay.
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Brian AtlasMoper says it's buffering. Thiago, one in the chat. Wait, what did I say? >> One in the chat >> for what? >> If it's lagging, >> one in the chat if it's lagging. Did I say or one in the chat if you look
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Cenalike >> uh I think it's lagging. >> It's lagging. Hold on.
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Brian AtlasUh,
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Brian Atlaspeople are saying it's Yo, maybe they're just trolling. You guys got to just refresh. Buffering a lot. Better now. Was buffering one time for me. We're lagging, boys.
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Brian AtlasNo, Cena is not my girlfriend. I'm actually gay. So, we go shopping. >> We go We go get our nails done. >> Yeah, true.
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Brian Atlasmanicures, pedicures, all that. Uh, any mods in the chat can tell me. I think it's probably fine. My OBS says
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Brian Atlaszero dropped frames. Uh, our bit rate is good, so it's probably fine. Uh, in any case, it'll probably fix, but try uh
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Brian Atlasrefreshing it, and if you have any other problems, you can let us know. Okay, so let me check a couple things here. Hold
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Brian Atlason. I want to see if I can get uh Streamlabs going on my phone. That'll be easier for me. One sec, guys. By the way, I got the uh the new iPhone, iPhone
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Brian Atlas17. I regret uh the Pro. >> Why? >> Well, no, I regret I wish I got the orange. I got the silver and it's got like a yellow case.
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Brian Atlas>> You want the Halloween version? >> I want Yeah, I want I should have got the orange chat. Should I have gotten the orange? uh instead of the silver. I would have got black, but they only had
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Brian Atlasthe the shitty blue, the silver, and the orange. Uh so yeah, orange is lame, bro.
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Brian Atlas>> No, the orange is cool. And so also orange was my favorite color when I was a kid. Probably it's not my I wouldn't say it's my favorite color, but uh it was unique, so I should have got the
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Brian Atlasorange. Whatever. Hold on, guys. is I'm going to try to get Stream Labs going on my phone here. One sec. Streamlabs.
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Brian AtlasCena, do you have anything to say for the to the chat, >> guys? Please don't bully me. >> Wait, I think we're getting you cut off there.
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Brian AtlasYeah. Try again. Are you getting cut off? >> I don't >> a little bit. Or maybe I have to scoot over. If you scoot this way a little bit, it'll be
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Brian Atlasone sec, guys. Go ahead. Go ahead, Cena. Tell them what you have to say. >> We heard her. They said we heard. How How's your day been? How are you guys?
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SPEAKER_04There we go. Oops.
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Cena>> Oh, my name is Cena. Like John Cena. >> Is it with an E or with a >> No, it's like C I N A, but like
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Brian Atlas>> it won't let me do it on my phone. That's okay. Um, I might even want to slightly adjust the camera a little bit. Let me see. It should probably be fine.
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Brian Atlas>> Are you a World War I general? Yes, >> she is a World War I general. She's wearing the picklehaba. German picklehaba. >> Yes. >> Hbomb says, "I hope you're not a boba
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Brian AtlasAsian. What does that mean? What's a boba Asian?" >> Oh, ag. >> Are you an AVG? >> No. >> What are What are you just a regular Asian?
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Brian Atlas>> I'm a AG. Asian girl. >> Ag. Just Asian girl. She's agy. >> I'll call you China. >> What am I? Is there a designation for me? >> A baddie.
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Brian Atlas>> Oh, yes. I'm such a baddie. >> Yes. >> Fake. Fake Maddie. Luendowski. I'm your biggest fan. >> Someone call me Teimu Maddie. >> Teimu Maddie. Wow.
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Brian Atlas>> Can I be Sheen? I like Sheen better. >> Sheen Maddie. >> Yeah. >> What about Alibaba Maddie? Yo, David, what's up? Andy, what's up?
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Brian AtlasWhat's the story behind the pickleaba? I'm a I'm a World War I buff. Histo history buff.
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Brian AtlasI enjoy history. World War One, World War II. I think the pickle habas look cool aesthetically, so I was like, you know what? Let me just uh buy
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Brian Atlassome of these. Okay, I think we're going to get into Oh, we have uh some TTS's here. Hold on. Let me play this.
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CenaOh, boy. I'm already getting a roast. Uh you can you read Can you read this? >> Yes. >> Brian, there are black holes containing less mass than your gut. You're so heavy
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CenaI have to wear eye protection just to look at you. Least least I incur severe trauma akin to a meteor impacting my skin so sucker. Does that mean skin?
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Brian Atlas>> Wow. Lovely. Uh thank you guys. Appreciate it. Hey boys. I'm I'm losing weight though. I've I've lost uh
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Brian Atlaslike seven pounds. Seven pounds. So uh all right. So we're going to get into I'm and I'm going to see if I can just keep it on this. I don't know if it's
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Brian Atlasgoing to actually work, but let's see. So, like kind of I think for this So, wait, actually, before I pull this up, so this one's old, right? Um,
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Brian Atlasso we've had hit pieces written on the on me on the whatever podcast in the past.
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Brian AtlasAnd uh there was New York New York Post, which I'm about to pull up here. Making women look dumb is a disturbing new podcast trend. Now, this is from
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Brian Atlaslike two years ago. This was on the from the New York Post and uh whatever hosted by Brian Atlas. Masquerades is a dating talk.
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Brian AtlasMasquerades. Anyways, I reacted to this uh previously and there it is. And then, you know, they had photos of me and then this
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Brian Atlas[ __ ] crazy lady drew a follow. She talks some [ __ ] So, anyways, um that's one. We, you know, we're not
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Brian Atlasgoing to go over that, but uh the hit pieces are not new. And then, hold on. Let me make sure I can tab over.
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Brian AtlasOops. Whoa. [ __ ] I almost exed out of OBS. Okay, this is Can I just Yeah, that I'm gonna just have to tab it
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Brian Atlasover to the uh Windows. All right, so this is Vice wrote an article also about two years ago
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Brian Atlasand uh the latest trend in podcasts is making women look dumb and you know blah blah blah blah blah
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Brian Atlasblah blah blah blah. Okay. Now, we had one drop on New York Magazine. I'll just just some background. So, this is a pretty
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Brian Atlasbig publication. Uh it's been out for 57 years. Pretty big uh magazine, I
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Brian Atlasguess. Was it? I don't know if it's still I don't know. Are they big? New York magazine. Big magazine. New York. and they wrote the following piece. All right, so New York vulture blah blah
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Brian Atlasblah. Uh, hold on. Let me see if I can make this bigger.
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Brian AtlasI became the Jubilee girl. All right. So, I have Cena here. She's going to read
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Brian Atlasuh Can you Can you see it? Yes. >> Need it bigger. All right. She's going to read. Do you have glasses? You want some [ __ ] reading glass? You want some reading glasses or something? I might have a pair here.
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Cena>> Last >> Oh my god. We can't >> here. Check. >> Last September. Um. >> Oh boy. You got this. >> What is her name? I'm dyslexic.
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Cena>> Nema. >> Neyma Trout. was one of the 25 liberal college students chosen to debate Charlie Kirk. One interaction in the 90minute video
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Cenawas particularly memorable after Kirk's attempt to argue that abortion is murder. Trout mutters to herself gh his smile is very creepy. Oh, so smiling is
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Cenacreepy? He asks to which she replies, "No, your smile specifically." The room erupts into laughter. The clip went viral. Fan edits were made in her her
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Cenahonor in the world of debate designed for maximum social media engagement. She'd won. >> Pause there for a sec. Hold on. I want to see if I can do dark mode on this. Do
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Brian Atlasyou guys know if there's uh does archive do they have dark mode? Isn't Oh, there's there's a way I can do it systemwide.
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Brian AtlasUh whatever. It's We'll just keep it like this. But do they have dark mode? All right. Well, here, let me pull this
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Brian Atlasback up. Okay. So, first thing that that irks me is Wait, hold on.
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Brian AtlasLet me make it a little bigger. The first thing that irks me about this is uh And by the way, the New York magazine Oh, wait. Actually, hold on. I
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Brian Atlashave more to say up here. But I have a comment about, you know, them including the whole his smile is creepy thing. Uh, I have a comment on this that I don't know that just seems kind of well, I
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Brian Atlasmean, the original comment from Neyma, who by the way, Andrew debated. So, it's this girl here, Naima. Neya, sorry if I'm butchering her name. Um,
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Brian Atlasthe inclusion of that is in pretty bad taste, but minor detail that frustrates me. So, typically, you know, this is not some
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Brian Atlasfly by night publication magazine. So, they're going to be criticizing Jubilee for their debate [ __ ] This Caleb Caleb Hammer guy, maybe you've seen his clips.
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Brian AtlasHe does like financial audits or whatever. I don't really watch him, but I've seen his stuff. Now, they credit Caleb Hammer, this guy. They credit
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Brian AtlasJubilee here. And then they credit instead of credit crediting me, this is my intellectual property, this is my
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Brian Atlasvideo from my podcast, they credit Farra, who was on the show, who made an edit, which is fine. I don't have an issue with people like who come on the show and they want to post their own
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Brian Atlasedits. Although, she's a she's a bit of a climp chimp. Like, she'll clip [ __ ] leave out kind of critical context. We call that clip chimping.
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Brian AtlasUh, so it's strange that they would, this is really a very minor nitpick, but it's strange that they would, again,
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Brian Atlasthis is this isn't just like [ __ ] Buzzfeed or some [ __ ] It's New York magazine. Like, don't they have editorial? Like, it's clearly not her IP.
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Brian AtlasSo, it's kind of small, but they should have credited. Not that I would care. This article probably got like a hundred views or something. But I don't know.
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Brian AtlasJust a little just to show you the the quality and rigor coming from New York Magazine Vulture, the journalists over
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Brian Atlasthere at New York Magazine. Um, so anyways, uh, my comment about Naima,
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Brian Atlasuh, I don't know why they chose to highlight this like, okay, yeah, there was that moment. Also, I have a criticism of this actual moment
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Brian Atlasthat occurred during the podcast. Uh, so Charlie Kirk has uh,
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Brian Atlasand I I think it's body shaming. He has a gummy smile. Okay, this is like, you know, he's got a bit of well, h had a
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Brian Atlasbit of extra gum, you know, he has a gummy smile and that's nothing you can do about that really. I guess there's surgeries maybe. I don't know. But it's
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Brian Atlasit's either can be genetic or whatever. Can't really control it. Uh it's out of your control really. So it's kind of this weird body shaming thing she did. His smile is creepy. I don't know. The
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Brian Atlascomment itself during this was bad taste. And I think referencing it in this article after he was like just assassinated is also in bad taste. Also,
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Brian Atlaswhat I uh wanted to point out uh here, I'll bring it back for just a sec here before I we continue on with the
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Brian Atlasarticle. Oh [ __ ] Oh [ __ ] What's up, guys?
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Brian AtlasSo, uh, they reached out, the journalist who wrote this piece reached out to me, I
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Brian Atlasthink two months ago, and I've gotten over the years a dozen, two dozen uh, it's a leftist hit piece for damage
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Brian Atlascontrol to try and stop Oh, yeah. I mean, the the bias in most of these media organizations, almost every single uh journalist or
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Brian Atlasmedia or that's reached out to me, if you Google what their bias is, is it left bias, right bias? Uh the well, the read by the way is the
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Brian Atlasread TTS is 20. It's but it's not going to be TTS. We have uh we have a robot here in not
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Brian Atlasrobot um it's not oh my god it's not going to be the British AI robot Cena here the homie the
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Brian Atlasthe she's the Canadian homie uh she's going to be reading so it'll be treated like a TTS but there's going to be we're just going to batch it'll just be batched maybe we'll try to do every 15
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Brian Atlas20 minutes so I was saying that I've been reached out to probably a few dozen times. Few dozen times, reached out to by these
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Brian Atlasvarious organizations. A lot of times they reach out, hey, I'm writing a article about you or I want to interview you. I want to write an article about the whatever podcast. And I look I look the
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Brian Atlasjournalist up and like their [ __ ] Twitter is super super biased. The actual publication super biased. I think [ __ ]
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Brian AtlasWashington. What is it? The what? What's the one in the big one in what's the one Jeff Bezos has? Is that the Washington Times chat?
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Brian AtlasUh, is it the Washington Post that Jeff Bezos has? It's the Post. Washington Post. Batch
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Brian Atlasit. Not batch it, but yes, both. you guys, they've reached out. Huffington Post, all these, they're almost all left-leaning. And I just typically don't respond. I
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Brian Atlasmade one mistake though. I made a mistake. So, and you know, I didn't respond when this lady who wrote this article, I didn't respond initially because I
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Brian Atlasknow they're doing a [ __ ] hit piece and whatever. It's not I'm not going to help you with your article or you're just going to [ __ ] lie, you know, selectively take quotes. But yeah, uh so
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Brian Atlashold on. When was it? So this article came out yesterday. So Monday, Tuesday. So Monday, somebody from
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Brian AtlasNew York Magazine who's a fact checker reached out and they're like, "Hey BTW," and I can show you the emails, right? We are going to release this article. we
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Brian Atlaswe're just looking for factchecking. We're just going to factcheck a few things in this article. And I'll get to that in a little bit. And I was like, you know what? I've never responded to a
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Brian Atlasjournalist, but she's just looking to factcheck, so I'll just respond. She asked two questions, and I could already just by the questions, I was like, "All right, they're going to it's of course
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Brian Atlasit's a hit piece, right?" And so I was like, "Look, at least if they're just looking for the fact check, I'll provide the counter facts, whatever." And I do. And I even
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Brian Atlasthey published it yesterday. I completely a little bit regret having responded because
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Brian AtlasI provided a very thorough response and they didn't include the entire response. They took like a snippet like if both my
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Brian Atlasresponses there were two questions I'd say my response was a paragraph for each. They picked they they they nitpicked they twisted it. They didn't include
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Brian Atlascritical context. And so this is why I I shouldn't I just look it wasn't it wasn't terrible. I didn't include
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Brian Atlasanything like particularly incriminating or something in my email, but they obvious like they took the quote
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Brian Atlasand they should have included the entire segment and I'll get to that in once we get to that point in the article. But I'm not going to
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Brian Atlaslook I' I don't respond to journalists now. I'm just never going to respond. I just won't do it. Um,
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Brian Atlaslook, I thought, look, I thought it was a fact check. It wasn't the actual journalist. She's, she said she was a, it was a separate journalist. Hey, I'm the editor. I'm the factchecker. I'm
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Brian Atlashere to factch check. I was like, okay, all right, whatever. And I I'll show you guys for proof so you don't doubt what I'm saying. I'm gonna show you guys the article and
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Brian Atlasthen when we get to the part of the article where this is in question, I'm going to show you guys the original email that they send me. And by the way,
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Brian Atlasthis is why there's completely a loss of trust with all these media organizations. Complete loss of trust. People don't trust legacy
00:22:50
Brian Atlasmedia for good reason. Uh Suge, thank you for the uh gifted five. Uh, right before we jump in to Oh, no. We're good. We're good on chats. All right, cool.
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Brian AtlasIt wasn't Look, it wasn't terrible. Like, it wasn't huge, but it just look include the whole [ __ ] thing. And uh yeah, and by the way, most of these
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Brian Atlasjournalists who reach out to me, you know, they'll come all polite and [ __ ] but of course, I look into I look into them a little bit. Look, I just look at their their Twitter. I look at their
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Brian Atlassocials. I look at their blue sky. They're all on blue sky, by the way. And I'm like, "Holy [ __ ] the bias is insane. None of these journalists these these journalists are not journalists.
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Brian AtlasThey're activists. It's not it's not uh neutral. There's no neutrality. They're coming at it with an angle. They're going to say, "Hey, I want to paint this person in a bad
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Brian Atlaslight. I don't care what the what the truth is. uh they're gonna slam, they're gonna, you know, try to paint a narrative. Paint a narrative. So, anyways, uh we're
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Brian Atlasgoing to jump back into the article here. Uh Cena, so we left off. We're going to do uh right here. Oh, wait. Hold on. Let me see if it's
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Brian Atlaseven Okay. Who? We're going to skip some of it because we'll just keep it mostly to the uh So, start at the top here. Most of these shows traffic heavily in gender
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Cenawar content either explicitly or subtextually. >> Yeah, keep going. >> The whatever podcast, for instance, on which weekly live video episodes can run
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Cenafor astonishing 9 hours or more usually involve a handful of reactionary men attempting to shame the young woman across from them through
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Cenaclumsy thought. Huh? Thought experiments meant to rebuk reuke. >> Where where are you? >> See
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Cena>> meant to rebuke. >> Oh, meant to rebuke >> clumsy thought experiments. Should should women be forced to have kids?
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Brian Atlas>> As the all caps text over typical clip. >> Yeah. So, um I mean an astonishing nine hours. You know, look, our show on
00:25:16
Brian AtlasSunday did run over uh nine hours, but you know, this this uh this idea that like if you look at major live
00:25:26
Brian Atlasstreamers, a lot of these guys, um trying to think, a lot of these guys, whether they're playing video games or whatever,
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Brian Atlastheir streams are like 7 8 n 10 hours, sometimes longer. So it's not for live streaming like I get for normal podcast or whatever the Joe
00:25:50
Brian AtlasRogan whatever it's what like two hours three hours four hours but think about it like this in terms of the length of the podcast
00:26:03
Brian Atlaswe have let's say we have nine people at the table right if I was one-on-one with these people maybe the conversation would last an for
00:26:14
Brian Atlasso if I have a panel of it's me plus eight people if each person has 8 hours
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Brian Atlasof talk time or sorry am my hold on in total sorry so sorry if each person has one hour of talk time
00:26:34
Brian Atlasif you add that up that's going to be seven eight hours so I don't think it's that crazy if you think about it if a panel show Yeah, I know. I I uh not 8
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Brian Atlashours each. Duh. That would be like 64-hour long 64hour long uh podcasts, but if each panelist gets
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Brian Atlasabout 1 hour each and then yeah, it's going to be like 7 8 hours. Some people talk more, some people talk less. I give the worst ones the most talk time. Well, look, you know, uh Cena here, she's very
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Brian Atlastalkative. if she take she took up you know almost 7 hours of uh the Sunday show. Anyways, back to the
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Brian Atlasarticle here. Uh let's see here. So, we already read that part. Then they talk about financial audit. Um
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Cenauh okay, start at here. are the most recognizable debaters. >> The most recognizable debaters engage in clip farming or cutting snippets from their episodes, most likely in garner
00:27:48
Cenaoutrage and posting them on their social accounts. Nearly every video podcast uses the strategy now, but it's especially useful in serving up
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Cena60-second contentfree dunks on an opponent to make them look as idiotic as possible. Thanks to Cliff Army, you don't actually have to win an argument to make it seem like you did. Just post
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Brian Atlasa 30 second of you making a good point. >> All right, so again, this is the same old ar uh argument here to make them look as idiotic as possible.
00:28:24
Brian AtlasI actually I think I talked about this on the podcast. And look, this this hearkens back to the the New York Post hit piece from two plus years ago that I
00:28:33
Brian Atlasshowed at the beginning of the stream. I don't make anybody look a certain way. I don't make make anybody look stupid. I
00:28:43
Brian Atlastalk. I ask questions. I engage in conversation. Engage in debate. I have a microphone. They have a microphone. The words that come out of their mouth.
00:28:54
Brian AtlasI don't force them to say anything. I I'm not forcing people to say anything. These are people's genuine thoughts. These are people. This is what they think. If somebody is made to look
00:29:06
Brian Atlasstupid, the person making them look stupid is themselves. I'm not responsible for what somebody else says on the show.
00:29:17
Brian AtlasIf you're a girl and you come on and you try to compare the uh or justify the assassination of Charlie Kirk to uh you
00:29:26
Brian Atlascompare him to Adolf H. I didn't make you say that. You're just saying some stupid [ __ ]
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Brian Atlasand you made yourself look stupid. Made yourself look stupid. 64-hour stream. You know what would be cool, guys? Would be to do a 24-hour stream.
00:29:52
Brian AtlasI don't know how the [ __ ] that would work. Like me and Andrew take a shift. So I go 12, he goes 12. Um, and then I don't know how we would do I don't know how that would be crazy.
00:30:04
Brian AtlasThat'd be that'd be cool though. Um, so anyways, back to the article here. Uh, let's see. Let me Is this interesting? Uh,
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Brian Atlasdebate shows have exploded. Blah blah blah. This is kind of boring. Uh,
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Brian Atlasoh, Neyma's the child of lawyers. Okay. Uh, she could fill in for someone who jump out. Uh, oh, they only pay $25 uh
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Brian Atlasto go on Jubilee. Yeah, I thought that's pretty uh pretty pretty low. Pretty low. Okay. Um
00:30:56
Brian Atlasand they I mean they're massive. They make [ __ ] ton [ __ ] ton of money. Those guys I don't know. I don't know how much they make. Way more than me. Uh okay. I don't know
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Brian Atlasif there's anything interesting here. Blah blah blah. Uh more about Naima. Guys, I'm very solopyistic. I only care about what they have to say. Um, blah.
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Brian AtlasOkay. This is about the financial audit guy. Uh, okay. All right. Here we go. Back to whatever. Okay. If you can read.
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Cena>> Oh my god, this girl. >> No, guys. I'm dyslexic and I have like a eye issue right now. >> She has an eye. >> Everybody's bullying me in the comments cuz I can't read. >> Okay. I'm fixing the camera. Go ahead,
00:31:46
Cenaread it. >> This is especially lucrative market if you're an only fans. Oh, okay. If you're an only fans creator said say they are often sought out by shows like whatever
00:31:57
Cenafresh and fit a chat show hosted by manosphere influencers
00:32:05
Cenamy gains because it'll allow the host to feel justified and dispar disparing >> disparing desparing
00:32:18
Brian Atlas>> disparaging >> disparaging and their intelligence. >> The Canadian education system has been a complete failure. Wait, when did you move to Canada? >> Oh, when I was five,
00:32:31
Cena>> bro. This girl. It's okay. It's all right. >> I would I >> Wait, say it again. Where where were you? >> Disperg >> Mhm.
00:32:43
Cena>> disping their int intelligence and character. I would dispute that we often seek out only fans creators. be on the show. Perhaps it's >> Wait, is this better? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Are you able to lean back a little bit? >> No.
00:32:57
Cena>> You still need to >> Yeah. >> Do you Do you need Hold on. All right. Go ahead. Read it. Read it. Read it. Read it. >> I would I would dispute that we often seek out only fan creators to be on this
00:33:09
Cenashow. Perhaps it's the case. They seek us out, wrote Brian Atlas, the host of the Whatever podcast. In a request for comment, creators say they are sometimes encouraged to participate by their
00:33:21
Brian Atlasagents and managers. >> Yeah. Hold on. We're going to pause there for a sec. Okay. Here's some reading glasses. >> I don't know it. Do you have Do you wear contacts? >> No, I'm blind. And why not?
00:33:32
Brian Atlas>> Oh gosh. All right. Well, take them off when you're not reading, but >> otherwise like a nerd. >> You I mean, you look like a nerd without the glasses. So, uh Wait. Take take them
00:33:44
Brian Atlasoff though just because it'll All right. And then let's see here. So, uh, sought out. So, this was the fact check. This was
00:33:56
Brian Atlasfact check. One of the fact checks hosted by the manif manosphere uh host to feel justified because it allows the host to feel justified in
00:34:07
Brian Atlasdisparaging their intelligence and character. I would often dispute that we often I would dispute. Okay, so this is the segment where I responded to the fact
00:34:18
Brian Atlascheck. They didn't include the whole thing which I think is kind of would have provided more critical context. I think now would be a good time to show the original email. It's going to show
00:34:29
Brian Atlasthe other thing. It's going to show the other thing, but uh hold on. All right, let's see here. So, we're going to show the email. Let me just double check here. Make sure everything
00:34:40
Brian Atlaslooks good. And I just took a screenshot. It's a little It's going to be pretty small. Yeah, I can't really adjust it here. It's not going to be the best, but yeah,
00:34:52
Brian Atlaswe'll just go Oh [ __ ] We'll go like this. All right. One sec, guys. Getting the email. All right.
00:35:03
CenaUh, are you able to see up here? New York Magazine. So, you're just going to read her email. Hi Ryan, I'm a fact checker at New York
00:35:13
CenaMagazine working on a piece by blank. I'm reaching out with the with factchecking questions for your review. Please let me know by this evening if you have any comments, clarification or
00:35:24
Cenacorrections. Number one, two source Rebecca spoke to to say that at the whatever tapping you once asked the men what they wanted to order for dinner and
00:35:35
Cenaskipped over the woman present. Is it true? Do you have comment? Source number two, sources have told us that you often seek out only fan creators to
00:35:47
Brian Atlasjoin debates on episodes of whatever. Do you have comments? So, I did have comment and again guys um normally I don't respond to uh I don't
00:36:00
Brian Atlasrespond to journalists, but because she framed it as factchecking, I was like, "Okay, whatever. I'll respond." And uh so first thing it's a bit out of order.
00:36:11
Brian AtlasI'll just you know what we'll just do the email. We'll just do the email and that'll be the best. So the first question was they
00:36:21
Brian Atlasclaimed that and in the article I didn't know what they were talking about but in the article it actually mentions this. Uh they wanted to order dinner and skipped over the women. You know what? Should we wait? You know what? We'll
00:36:33
Brian Atlascome back to that. We're going to start with two sources have told us you often seek out only fans creators to by the way their two sources their two sources are uh far
00:36:45
Brian Atlaskhaliti and jasmine jafar those are the two sources um those two women reached out to us to be
00:36:55
Brian Atlason the show so the two sources that they have claiming we reach out to creators they reached out to us. Now, look, I want to and I I mentioned this in my
00:37:07
Brian Atlasthing. Uh I'll read the response I gave her. So, this is the response I have to that. Let me see if I should I just pull it up. All right. Can I make God damn Can I
00:37:19
Brian Atlasmake this bigger? Um I'll be able to move it though. Yeah, it's fine. Uh only Wait, what if we go
00:37:29
Brian Atlasjust big? That's easier. So, this is my response. Only 15% or so of all the guests we've had on the show do Only Fans or are
00:37:40
Brian Atlasotherwise involved in sex work of some kind. Take for example our most recent episode streamed yesterday. On Sunday, we had a total of panel of nine people. Only one of the women was
00:37:52
Brian Atlasan Only Fans creator. Uh, it can vary from episode to episode. Some episodes we have no I'm sorry, guys. This is probably annoying that I'm moving it like this, but some episodes we have no
00:38:03
Brian Atlasof creators. Some episodes we have 1 to two, some three to four. To more directly answer your question, the majority of the guests we have had on the show seek us seek us out requesting to appear on the show. This is true. The
00:38:16
Brian Atlasmajority of all the guests we've had on the show seek us out. With that said, we also do our own outreach and this maybe amounts to 20% of all the guests
00:38:27
Brian Atlasbookings we've had. I would dispute that we often seek out only fans creators to be on the show. Perhaps it's perhaps
00:38:36
Brian Atlasit's the case they seek us out. In fact, when it's us doing outreach, the percent of that outreach being directed towards Only Fans
00:38:45
Brian Atlascreators is extremely minimal, amounting to far less than the 15% number cited above. For example, if we I'm sorry, guys, if that's annoying how I'm scrolling it, but that's how I took the
00:38:58
Brian Atlasscreenshot. If we reach out to 100 people, maybe one to two of them are only fans creators. We've reached out to and had on a very very diverse group of people on the
00:39:09
Brian Atlasshow, various ages all the way from 18 to 70. We've had on students, undergrad, masters, PhD, attorneys, doctors, nurses, accountants, business owners, content
00:39:21
Brian Atlascreators, etc., etc. All kinds of people. So,
00:39:31
Brian Atlasso, by the way, guys, look. Oh my god, I need to readjust the [ __ ] the camera again. I lowered it too much. Uh,
00:39:40
Brian Atlasso when we the majority of our guests that we've had on the show in totality, the majority of them reach out to us. We
00:39:49
Brian Atlasalso do outreach. When we do do outreach, it's we're not exclusively targeting or focusing on getting Only Fans girls on the show. In fact, the
00:40:00
Brian Atlasnumber, like I said in the article, if we message a hundred people, maybe one or two of them are only fans creators, right? So, I'm not I'm not going to lie and say we've never we've never reached
00:40:12
Brian Atlasout to an OAF person to be on the show. No, that's not true. Uh we have, but it's a small minority. Very small minority. Uh the majority of the OAF creators who have been on the show, they
00:40:23
Brian Atlasseek us out. So, uh yeah. So, okay, hold on. Let me see. Uh, one sec. Let's get back to the article.
00:40:35
Brian AtlasAs you can see, what I just wrote you and just showed you. Uh, they only included the I would dispute that we often seek out OAF creators and then it
00:40:45
Brian Atlasdidn't it did not include any of the, you know, the numbers I cited to that only 15% of all our guests have done.
00:40:56
Brian AtlasUm, and it doesn't include the numbers as to to that. So,
00:41:04
Brian Atlaskind not a huge thing, not a big deal. Uh, but kind of just like I gave you the comment. you you don't have to include everything I wrote, but
00:41:16
Brian Atlasat least providing some of those numbers like the 15% number and then the you know out of a hundred people we we reach out to we because they're talking about
00:41:26
Brian Atlasus seeking people out. Of the people that we seek out,
00:41:33
Brian Atlasone one or two out of a hundred are only fans creators. Okay. Uh let's see.
00:41:43
Brian AtlasUh Jasmine Jafar with some [ __ ]
00:41:49
Brian AtlasUh okay. I don't really care about what she has to say. Uh uh blah blah blah. Far
00:41:59
Brian Atlasuh stuff. She's talking about Jubilee encouraged friend to go on whatever podcast. Okay. She after she showed up, she came
00:42:11
Brian Atlason the show. She gained some subs. Mind you, she posts clips on her TikTok. A lot of these girls are like, "Oh, I went on the Whatever podcast and I blah blah blah." Like, yeah, they probably
00:42:21
Brian Atlasconvert. Whatever. Um, Andrew has made really compelling arguments on this. I'm going to stick to the article for now, but Far
00:42:32
Brian Atlaswould post her clip chimp stuff on her Tik Tok and other social media pages, and the clips she would make of her either debating me, debating Andrew would get millions and millions and
00:42:44
Brian Atlasmillions of views. So, this idea that she's converting actual whatever podcast viewers, look, I'm I'm never going to sit here and lie
00:42:55
Brian Atlasand be like, "Nobody from my audience is going and subbing to these OF girls." Of course, there's probably people who watch the podcast who goes and subs to the OF girls. That That's fine. And of
00:43:07
Brian Atlascourse, we also capture their audience back. We capture the OF girls. Come on. their viewers, fans, whatever, come and
00:43:18
Brian Atlaswatch our show. We do audience capture. They do audience capture. It is what it is. Anytime you collaborate with somebody, that's how it's going to be.
00:43:27
Brian AtlasUh, but anyways, that's kind of uh not super material to any of this, but uh blah blah blah. Some more [ __ ]
00:43:37
Brian Atlasthat's not important. Okay, you can uh read this part. Let's see. No, that's as big as I can go. Here, go ahead. Read >> which part? >> Uh, just from the top there.
00:43:48
Cena>> Guests of the show say that their >> Oh my goodness. >> Guests of the show say that their hosts aren't usually putting on an act and
00:43:59
Cenathat their misogyny doesn't begin and end on camera. The whatever podcast, for instance, continues to bring on Andrew Wilson, a pal
00:44:09
Brian Atlasconservative Christian. Is that correct? Uh, I think that's what it says. I'm just adjusting the camera. >> Who has argued that rape is only bad for certain people. >> Okay, wait. Stop there. Hold on. Wait.
00:44:22
Brian AtlasWait. Yeah, I needed to react to that. That's the big part. Sorry, guys. Hold on. I was adjusting the camera. All right. Did Hold on. Read. Okay. So,
00:44:37
Brian Atlasguys, this part here, let me highlight it. Andrew Wilson. This honestly, guys, you guys know what
00:44:49
Brian AtlasI'm going to say. You know what I'm going to say, chat. That's slander. That's [ __ ] slander. He did not say this. And also,
00:45:02
Brian Atlasif uh what here's their source. [ __ ] ridiculous.
00:45:14
Brian AtlasOh my god, I [ __ ] hate Tik Tok and their popups. This a Tik Tok clip. Not >> a great >> You can make the case. >> A a Tik Tok edit. Hold on. Can you guys
00:45:24
Brian Atlassee that? Yeah, you guys can see it. Sorry. Um, that's their source, not New York
00:45:32
Brian AtlasMagazine. Been around for 60 years. Where is it? Ah, [ __ ] like um like debate over like whether
00:45:42
Brian Atlas>> that's their source, not this, which should have been their [ __ ] source.
00:45:52
Brian AtlasHold on. We don't need to play it. But here's my YouTube channel, the originator of said debate with uh >> because they want us
00:46:04
Brian Atlas>> with this guy. I don't know if there's a time stamp. It doesn't. You guys have seen it. You guys have seen Andrew's debunking
00:46:14
SPEAKER_03um their source is a for such an egregious statement is a >> you could make the case that like uh
00:46:23
Brian Atlasgrape is bad for certain people. >> That's the source not not the entire five nearly 6hour
00:46:35
Brian Atlasdebate. Do you guys see what why nobody Oops. What the [ __ ] was that? Oh, okay. That's something else. That's my Hold on. Let me hide the Discord for a sec.
00:46:50
Brian AtlasI texted Andrew after I saw that article.
00:46:57
Brian AtlasI'm like, "Bro, you should sue these people." [Music] I told him you should you should sue.
00:47:13
Brian AtlasHe didn't say that.
00:47:18
Brian AtlasSo, it's crazy that Andrew was testing out I wonder if I can find the actual clip from the stream.
00:47:29
Brian AtlasUm, can we find I'm actually down chat. Are you guys down? We can just watch like with context for like two minute. Are there audio hiccups? I don't know.
00:47:39
Brian AtlasWe'll just watch the clip. We'll watch the clip. Uh I'm trying to remember what the time stamp is, though. Hold on. Give me one sec, guys. I'm trying to
00:47:50
Brian Atlasfind the time stamp. Does anybody here um just so I can keep the stream going, can a viewer tell me the time stamp to
00:47:58
Brian Atlasstart it at? Here's the I'm going to post the link in the chat. Can somebody find me
00:48:09
Brian Atlasso we can watch it? Just somebody tell me the the time stamp we should start it at and and we'll watch it for this.
00:48:26
Brian AtlasThey're saying who has argued he Oh my god, bro. They need to do a correction on this,
00:48:37
Brian Atlasbut Andrew needs to honestly, this is so defamatory, this is so slanderous that he should honestly consider a
00:48:47
Brian Atlaslawsuit. And that's why I put in the title that I think that this is clear-cut slander. And it's despicable that it's coming from
00:48:58
Brian Atlaslike I get that New York magazine has a left leaning major left-wing bias, but you should you should have fact. Bro, this is how dumb this is. Hold on. Check this. Wait, sorry. Anybody have
00:49:12
Brian Atlasthe time stamp? >> One of them said 2 hour 1 minute. >> Sorry. Can somebody post the time stamp again? 2 hours 06 minute. Wait, what? I'm getting 2 hour 9 minute mark.
00:49:43
Brian AtlasHuh. Uh,
00:49:49
Brian Atlasokay. I'll find it. I'm gonna find it right now. Um, what was the other thing I wanted to pull up though really quick? Uh, 2 hour 9 minute.
00:50:09
SPEAKER_02>> One second. >> That's not what I asked you. whether a woman has enjoyed being >> okay it's probably before that let me do >> who is feminists >> because it works for them and it should be government funded that feminist
00:50:22
SPEAKER_03organization it is >> outcomes can be better for >> you all know for for most everybody the outcomes are better >> at least from the reported data that like uh great >> okay I think I have
00:50:34
Brian Atlas>> that individual >> all right hold on we're going to watch it guys so just for context Uh Andrew Wilson has in the New York magazine they're
00:50:46
Brian Atlasclaiming who has argued that rape is only bad for certain people. So why don't we go full screen with it?
00:50:56
Brian AtlasOne sec. Oh. Oh [ __ ] Let's move that over. Let me see if it looks okay.
00:51:05
SPEAKER_02I'm going to do this. Should be good. What do you say? What's my position? >> Your position is that there should be government funded propaganda. Is that individuals? >> Hold on. Government is individuals.
00:51:17
SPEAKER_02>> Wait, I was talking about the reason that feminist organizations would be against that government style of push. >> Uhhuh. Why? Okay. Why? >> Because it is prescribing onto everyone a type of lifestyle that doesn't work
00:51:30
SPEAKER_02for everyone. It's saying that you should do this. >> Wait, what's the prescription? The prescription is you should wait until sex to have marriage or wait until >> wait until marriage to have sex and the outcomes are better. >> The outcomes can be better for well no
00:51:43
SPEAKER_03for for most everybody the outcomes are better >> at least from the reported data. When you say like certain people it's like okay dude yeah I I guess you could make the case that like uh grape is bad for certain people
00:51:57
SPEAKER_03>> for certain people. >> No it's bad for everyone. No, it's only bad for certain people here. Like there's women, you agree, who have orgasmed during essay. >> That has nothing to do with whether it's essay, >> bro. >> That has nothing to do with whether it's essay. Are you kidding me?
00:52:09
SPEAKER_03>> Bro, I didn't say whether or not it's essay. I said during essay. >> Yeah. What What does it have to do with anything? >> Well, bro, if that's the case, right? That was it bad for them? >> Yes. >> Why?
00:52:20
SPEAKER_03>> Absolutely. Because there are overriding harms than just orgasm. I'm not saying that's not the case. What? >> Perfect. So then here's the case then. The case is like when you say for some people, right? The reason you keep
00:52:33
SPEAKER_03saying that is because even though it's the vast overwhelming majority of people, you want to like create this little minutia outlier, right? Is it logically possible that there's ever been a woman who's been S8 who'd enjoyed it?
00:52:46
SPEAKER_03>> I I am not going to >> Can you answer my question? Is it logically possible? >> Logically possible. Sure. >> Okay. Sure. >> Yeah. But that that's not But I'm not I'm not ascribing anything. Do you think there's ever been a single woman who's who's been sad and has enjoyed it?
00:52:59
SPEAKER_03>> I'm not going to answer the question. >> Answer the question. >> I'm not going to answer the question because then I can't say >> I'm not going to answer I'm not going to answer whether women enjoy being great. >> That's not what I asked you. >> Whether a woman has enjoyed being great >> if there's ever been one. Do you think there's ever been one?
00:53:13
SPEAKER_02>> I'm not No, I'm not answer. >> You don't think there has been? >> I don't know. And I'm not going to answer. This is such a weird thing. What do you This is such a weird thing. >> What's wrong with answering the question? Because I'm not going to say
00:53:26
SPEAKER_02I'm not going to contribute to rhetoric that tries to say that there is anything good about SA. >> Who said there's anything good about it? >> You just said that some women orgasm, therefore that is a >> No, no, no. I was running an internal
00:53:38
SPEAKER_03critique and saying if it is the case of X, then why? That's not me advocating for that position. Don't lie. That's one. And two, when we move into this,
00:53:48
SPEAKER_03right, here's here's what I'm saying to you, and I'll ask this question again. Do you think that there's been at least one woman who's ever existed that was essayed and liked it? >> I don't know. >> You don't think? What do you think?
00:54:01
SPEAKER_03>> I I don't know. I'm not going to answer that question, Andrew. >> Because then I could say because then I could say, well, why make the prescription shouldn't have >> because some people don't like it? >> No. >> Yeah. >> Mhm.
00:54:13
SPEAKER_02>> Yeah. It's the same [ __ ] Same [ __ ] >> Andrew, do you think Wait, hold on. Wait a second here. Do you think the harm of of essay of grape is equivalent to the harm of those who um have more promiscuous lifestyles?
00:54:27
SPEAKER_02>> No. >> No. Okay. So there is a differential in harm. >> What what what does that do with anything? >> Then >> I could still say some people by your >> but then if you even take that metric that there was some there would be an
00:54:38
SPEAKER_02overwhelming harm that would over overwhelm that. And I'm not saying, but I'm saying the harm is not equivalent between that and the >> need to be equivalent. >> All it needs to be is analogous for some people. That's it. >> Mhm. Yeah.
00:54:50
SPEAKER_03>> That's it. Why does it need to be an equivalency for harm? All it needs to do is be an overriding harm. Doesn't need to be It doesn't need to be the next Holocaust. >> I don't think it's an override. >> Doesn't need to be the next It doesn't need to be the next Holocaust for it to be an overriding harm. >> I'm not saying it has to be. I'm saying
00:55:03
SPEAKER_03that I don't think the harm of that. Well then why are you making why so then why are you faciously arguing this right by saying well wait a second Andrew I'm not going to answer this question because if I do then you could say some
00:55:15
SPEAKER_02people the same way that I am no because the Andrew why don't you why don't you utilize another example that could not be interpreted as grape apologist I'm not saying that's what you're doing but
00:55:25
SPEAKER_02I think it is it is it is harmful to kind of weaponize the trauma of SA survivors to make a kind of >> I think it's super harmful to be pro to have the promotion of promiscuity when
00:55:37
SPEAKER_03you yourself have admitted now multiple times that by not being promiscuous getting married as a virgin right it makes sense to not have that comparative sample size for happiness and you're still against it you're driving harm >> well I'm I am
00:55:50
SPEAKER_02>> that is driving harm literally >> do you think that there can be greater goods than harm >> sorry greater fine sorry greater bads than harm >> I think there can I think there can be I don't think for example I think I think
00:56:02
SPEAKER_02restriction of autonomy and Taking away people's freedom, even if they're going to do something that makes them unhappy, does not always follow that. That's what we should do. People should be free. That's just rule. People should be free. No, no, no. People should be free to make bad decisions. I'm not I'm not
00:56:15
Brian Atlassaying I'm a utilitarian. >> That's rule utilitarianism. That's like say you're like >> utilitarianism. All you're doing is saying it's Yeah. But >> I think that's pretty much we we get the
00:56:27
Brian Atlasuh I think we get the idea. But anyways, we were watching that because and maybe there was a bit more. Show your socks, Brian. Oh, yeah. I got these
00:56:37
Brian Atlaslong I've been having uh some some some calf cramps, guys. I've been having calf cramps, so I'm wearing compression. I'm wearing compression socks. Okay. I'm a I'm an