RAGE QUIT?! HEATED Debate Over Being Submissive & Bowing?! 2 VlRGlNS! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #167

Date: 2024-06-05

Duration: 6h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAngelic (DT193)>

AAmy (Mochi Toki DT167)>

JJordan (DT167)>

JJasmine (DT167)>

TTurkish (DT201)>

MMaddie (DT167)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Q (The Q Pill)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Bri (partial)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Kate(guest)

SPEAKER_13Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian Atlas opens Dating Talk #167. 9 female guests (Angelic returning; Bri, Amy, Kate, Jordan, Jasmine, Turkish, Veta, Maddie new). Co-host: Q. Two virgins on panel (Bri confirmed; possibly one other). Title references heated bowing debate and 'rage quit'.

“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”

QuoteBri (22, dog breeder, Fresno) disclosed as having never been in a relationship, never kissed anyone, no dates, no dating apps. Brian confirms she's a virgin waiting for marriage. Christian. Identified as one of the '2 VlRGlNS' in the episode title.

“I never been in any kind of relationship have you been on a date no Have You Been Kissed no oh you first”

QuoteTurkish (24, just arrived from Sydney 4 days ago) introduces herself as the online persona 'Turkish Delight'; on-air name shortened to D or TD. First time in the US. Plans to pursue content creation.

“hi my online name is Turkish delight but um you can call me D I am 24 I live in Australia Sydney but I moved here like 4 days ago to pursue content”

QuoteMaddie (Vancouver, 25) discloses prior 4-year relationship ended by her ex due to both struggling with substance abuse (LSD, mushrooms). She is grateful he ended things when he did.

“I um why yeah we were both honestly struggling with like substance abuse things... I'm very grateful that he was able to end things because it was probably the best thing”

QuoteBrian plays the bowing video and states he requires a woman willing to bow on a first date as a test of submissiveness and playfulness. This triggers the episode's central ~1.5-hour debate.

“she's got to be down to Bow like first date just hit me with a bow oh doesn't and it's like not for McDonald's yeah what some effort and then we'll talk”

ControversyMaddie (30, finance) confronts Brian on bowing: argues it's prideful, selfish, only about making the man feel better rather than bringing love into the relationship. She says it's a slippery slope. Brian counters that Maddie tested it inorganically by forewarning her husband — naturally desired bowing is different.

“the Bowing is crazy Brian why tell me why tell me why why do you why do you want somebody to Bow so”

QuoteJasmine (married) reveals she went home after a prior episode, told her husband about the bowing video, and tried bowing to him. He felt so weird he said 'don't ever do that again.' Brian argues this was inorganic because her husband doesn't desire it naturally.

“the first night that I did the podcast and he saw the Bowing video I told my husband about it and then we were acting it out together and I bowed to him and he felt so weird”

QuoteAngelic recounts moving to New Zealand at 19 for a boyfriend; they broke up 2 months after she arrived during COVID. She was stuck there for 1 year, couldn't travel or even see the country.

“I moved all the way to New Zealand for my boyfriend at the time... Co happened when I got there and we never really got to see each other and then we ended up breaking up literally 2 months into me moving over there”

QuoteTurkish (24) recounts a scary bad date in Australia: a man said ice cream was '5 minutes away' but drove her 2 hours to an abandoned forest. He became angry when she said she wouldn't go on a second date; she lied to defuse the situation. He then continued driving while she was still getting out of the car.

“we got in his car and as we were driving it was like 5 minutes past and we were going nowhere in the direction of the ice cream place... it was two hours we're in the car”

QuoteSelf-ratings round: Angelic reveals she was dragged for rating herself a 4 on her prior appearance; she has worked on her confidence and now rates herself a 6.

“okay well last time I was on here I got dragged for rating myself a four but I have been working on my confidence over the past year and so it's something that I've been putting a lot of effort into so I would say now maybe like a six”

QuoteBody count round initiated by Maddie (Vancouver). Angelic states 7. Bri (virgin) states 0. Others decline. Maddie herself declines citing respect for future husband.

“what's everyone's body count starting with you she really wants to know... seven zero seven”

Topics Discussed

Stream intro and guest introductions

Brian Atlas opens show with standard announcements. 9 female guests introduce themselves: Angelic (23, LA, Twitch/music, returning), Bri (22, Fresno, dog breeder), Amy/Mochi Toki (24, OC, content creator), Kate (23, Fresno, server), Jordan (25, Riverside, gym owner, married), Jasmine (27, LA, actress/model, married), Turkish/D/TD (24, Sydney, content creator, just arrived in US), Veta (30, tax office admin), Maddie (25, Vancouver, finance). Co-host: Q (31, relationship coach/behavioral scientist).

Relationship status round

Brian goes around the table asking relationship status, length of singledom, longest relationship. Highlights: Bri is 22 and virgin/never been in a relationship; Angelic single 2.5yr; Amy in a talking stage (Hinge, first date Friday); Kate's 2.5yr situationship without labels; Jordan and Jasmine both married; Turkish 3yr single (substance abuse breakup); Veta in rocky 3yr relationship (bf drinking problem); Maddie single 3yr (ex dumped her, substance abuse issues). Q is single and chilling.

BLM / Big Labia Matter and oral sex debate

Brian's non-profit 'Big Labia Matter' introduced. Guest challenges the logic of preferring large labia without performing oral sex. Brian explains sexual boundaries for men. Discusses labia plasty (10,000/yr in US), infections and sensation loss. Brian claims to prefer outies and advocates against labia plasty as feminist/body-positive stance.

Height preferences and dating requirements

Panel goes around sharing heights and height requirements for dating. Heights: Angelic 4'11" (max 6'4"); Bri 5'8" (no hard min, prefers taller); Amy 5'2" (min 5'9", max 6'3"); Kate 5'10" (never talked to males under 5'11"); Jordan 5'8" (husband 6'2"); Turkish 5'6" (no height preference); Maddie 5'4" (no dealbreaker). Brian says no height preference; dated women from 5' to 6'5".

Makeup, natural beauty, and plastic surgery debate

Brian's coup d'état policy: ban cosmetics and plastic surgery (fake breasts = felony, BBL = death penalty, lip filler = misdemeanor). Guests push back. Jasmine mentions her own enhancements are real. Discussion of beauty standards being driven by men vs. women. Q argues men don't actively monitor how much makeup women wear. Brian distinguishes grooming (acceptable) from artificial augmentation (not).

Bowing and submission debate

Central debate of the episode (~1.5 hours). Brian plays a video of a woman bowing to him in his penthouse and says he requires a woman to be willing to bow. Maddie (30, finance) objects: it's prideful and selfish, slippery slope to unhealthy dynamics. Jasmine reveals she tested bowing with her husband; he felt weird and asked her never to do it again. Brian argues the bow is a gesture of submissive playfulness and willingness, not a dark ritual. Q defends bowing as reciprocity given men's financial/protective role. Discussion of Asian bowing cultures vs. Western context. Multiple female guests object to the 'dark' nature of the requirement.

Brian's ideal partner requirements

Brian reads from his notes: shy/nerdy/introverted, modest (personality and appearance), no big ego, doesn't party/drink/do drugs/go to bars, low body count, no past promiscuity, undivided attention, praise kink, down for back scratches and massages, helps him in his mission. Must bow on first date.

Chivalry origins and bullet-taking debate

Q explains historical origin of chivalry as knights in 12th-16th century France wooing women via subservience. Brian debates whether women deserve chivalry without offering reciprocity. Debate over whether women want men to take a bullet for them (most say yes if they'd reciprocate). Brian's stance: he would not take a bullet for a random woman.

AI girlfriend discussion

Brian shows AI-generated audio of a girlfriend voice. Discussion of AI boyfriends/girlfriends as virtual relationships. Brian argues AI girlfriend is preferable to paying OnlyFans creators who are just talking to a bot. All guests express reluctance to date an AI or use a sex robot. Q and Brian debate future of AI companionship.

Man vs. bear debate

Brian poses the viral 'would you rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the woods' question. Most women choose the bear. Extended debate about male violence statistics, whether fear is rational or signaling, and the inconsistency of choosing bear but going home with strangers. Q notes perpetrators are usually known persons, not random strangers. Maddie and others defend the choice on grounds of predictable outcome (bear = death; man = unknown). Amy notes 50/50 odds of being victimized by a man.

Self-ratings round

Brian asks guests to rate their looks 1-10 (prompted by Stiffler TTS). Ratings: Angelic=6 (was 4 on prior appearance), several others between 5-9, Maddie=6.5 (after long philosophical objection), Brian=5. One guest initially said 10 then walked back to 7. Discussion of objectivity vs. subjectivity of beauty. Brian shows Luis Guzman vs. Francisco Lachowski comparison — all guests pick Lachowski, supporting objectivity argument.

Racism debate — can you be racist toward white people

Maddie asks panel: can you be racist toward white people? Angelic: yes. Amy: initially no (uses 'prejudice plus power' definition), but concedes after Brian's argument. Brian argues that racism = thinking you're superior to another race; therefore anyone can be racist toward anyone. Discussion of systemic oppression, Asian women out-earning white men, and Ivy League admission discrimination against Asians (Harvard lawsuit).

Body count round

Maddie (Vancouver) asks each guest their body count. Angelic: 7. Bri: 0 (virgin). Amy and others decline. Maddie declines citing respect for future husband. Kate declines. Turkish declines. Discussion of why women decline vs. Brian's philosophy that body count matters in assessing promiscuity.

Bumble swipe game

Guests go through Bumble profiles, each getting 20 swipes on-screen. Discussion of age preferences (Angelic 20-25 reluctantly; others vary). Brian and guests comment on profiles. TTS donations color the segment. Brian does his own swipes and explains reasoning.

Stream close

Final TTS donations read. Brian thanks chat. Plugs Twitch, Discord, merch. Outro. Total duration ~7 hours.

Transcript

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Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)a Str like a woman obviously I feel more comfortable but it's like you never know what anyone's going to do like in Sydney like the most we can do is literally I don't know if you let to say like stab but like that's the most we

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)can do but like it could be like the most random person ever like you could just never know but with a bear like they they don't know how to use a gun they don't know how to do anything other than like run after you I

Brian Atlasguess to say like it's not it's like you know what the outcome would be which would be death I guess but with the another person just look the if you answer bear it's just not like IR

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)rational or logical choice but bear attacks happen a lot less than men on Earth because wom are not in the woods do you know what per capita is yes so

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)think of all the men you've walked past that did absolutely nothing to you I've seen quite as well I'm from yeah but but you can't you can't walk pass that many

TTS/Chat readerbears nothing not happened L paladins donated $200 random man on the panel if it's 50/50 that means at least one of the three men in the room with you right now

Brian Atlaswould victimize you this is madness yep look I just think it's it's basically kind of social signaling about how women don't like men and how they

Brian Atlasfeel unsafe around men how you feel about a situation and the reality of a situation are complet different uh again this is a scenario where you're Crossing

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)you're going to either cross paths with a totally random man and a totally random pair I also didn't quite understand that it was literally crossing paths I thought it

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)was more like yeah I hate that this is this is actually like a it's actually like a stirring question going around right now because there's also there's

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)also the side of like women who have kind of been more so conditioned to who've been more conditioned to like you know look in the back of your car before you get inside you know don't wear your

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)hair in a ponytail it's easier for them to grab you you know don't go somewhere your mic that way this way keep going yeah go ahead you know don't go to the gas station alone at night you know just

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)like kind of stuff like that it's kind of been something at least my mom taught me those things so I think now we might have that initial fear but I think if we're

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)talking about like um the odds then the odds of a man actually wanting to like hurt you you know is probably very very

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)slim but like I said the men who do really traumatize a woman forever but I think that's where it's coming from is like it's not necessarily coming from a

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)place of hate it's coming more so from a place of trauma I think a lot of people humans in general have difficulty confronting their trauma and working through it and rather they project it onto to other people and so in this

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)situation I think that's what's happening with that question that's why I don't like the question it's definitely more fear-based and not like resentment yeah definitely but you do

Brian Atlashave a bias against men I don't though you how could you if if you think that x% of men like if you'd rather pick the bear over the man you do have a bias

Brian Atlasagainst men that's the knowing that some men out there are bad yes you're absolutely right there are terrible I'm not fig on it right but there yes there are absolutely terrible men out there I don't disagree I'm not saying all men

Brian Atlasare good there are absolutely terrible men out there but if we just do if you do like the a base level of analysis and being rational and logical the vast

Brian Atlasmajority of men would not victimize you it's a majority of men very few men would look I guess there's a large

Brian Atlaspopulation so like there's a large population so even 1% of men that's a [ __ ] ton of men right but like just statist statistically speaking it just logically doesn't make any sense to

Brian Atlaspick the bear okay let me ask you guys a different question if me q and Nick snapped our fingers and we were just Bears right now do you guys think you

Brian Atlaswould be safer I cross paths with bears in your answer the question if me and Nick just

Brian Atlasrandomly I'm a black bear Q's wait hold on maybe Q should be the no no no I'm the grizzly I'm aggressive I'm more aggressive yeah Q's

Brian Atlasthe grizzly I'm the black bear Nick's the panda bear oh my gosh are you safer than if we just stay men right

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)now well the question was the question wasn't in a room like okay fine yeah we you can just change it would you rather be in a room with a

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)bear or with a man with 10 10x 10 room can I actually ask it a little differently I've thought about this I go

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)um instead of like in a room with a man or bear like can you name a man that you would be comfortable in a room with like a male celebrity just for argument sake

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)like uh I kind I don't know if it kind of defeats the purpose of yeah kind of under so it just actually is easier to defend yourself against a bear than a harmful man that no like that is

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)actually facts no no no no no no no that's ridiculous no it isn't there are different tactics for grizzly bears black bears like it's actually if you know to be clear let's let's assume the man's violent and the bear is violent

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)they both have the intention of attacking you you think you can better defend yourself against a bear yes explain to me how uh with a grizzly bear you literally just have to make

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)super big and scream at it and most of the time they will Retreat yes and with a black bear black bears are relatively doile uh a black bear can still [ __ ] you up let's assume they're both they're

Brian Atlasviolent I mean they both can be okay let's assume that the the man has you by the arms and the the bear has you by the arms okay but that is not the argument

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)if you were if you were being attacked I would probably choose the bear but if I was crossing baths and paths and both were had the intention Google it we know

TTS/Chat readerwhat tell we know what they tell you to do but that wouldn't work grid One Motorsports donated $200 all I am hearing I a bunch of wom Minds that are going to end up alone in

Q (The Q Pill)a room full of cats your future divorce lawyers are salting watching this precau that doesn't mean it's going to

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)work no there's bars all over Canada I I know I know stud biology a long can you pull up the uh supers we need to pull up bears ATT tag people

Brian Atlasyeah there's some crazy videos we need to yeah we need to pull up we need to pull up the videos uh people have been sending me a ton of videos but I don't have like any just like really good one

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)uh let's see also grizzly bears very Bears very rarely kill very very very rarely they don't they'll [ __ ] you up we should pull up the statistics on how

Brian Atlasoften a woman is killed by a man in the US and then um the bear it's not but you got to understand it's not yeah it's not per like how many

Brian Atlasmen how many men have you guys all walked past how many bears have you all walked past I pretty confident let's just say it was a one for one hold on if

Brian Atlasit was a one for one ratio if you had to walk past as many bears as you've walked past men you would all be

Brian Atlasdead okay great question you've probably all encountered you've probably all encountered thousands of men walked past thousands of

Brian Atlasmen if you walked past thousands of bears you're getting [ __ ] up I'm just saying that bear is killing you're we're all dead for all of us we're all

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)dead okay there's a lot of women though that have been assaulted or something or have been in that position so it's it's it's hard for those women to answer this question and so it's that's

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)why it is such a sensitive topic cuz it's hard for us to answer these questions but yeah I get it and frankly there's a huge lack of understanding that I feel is based in resentment

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)coming specifically from you and it's really making me uncomfortable in this room anyways what's the resentment you have a

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)resentment of us answering the very question that you are asking us and getting annoyed with us when we tell you our answer and then trying to beat your answer into us until we believe whatever you're saying and it's kind of getting

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)old I mean quite frankly they wouldn't get it so that's why they don't maybe you guys don't get it and it's it seems like you're

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)resentful of men I'm not but so why is it no she just has a fear and very rightfully so that's why she wants to move on so right but okay hold on here's

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)the thing how is it like you not being able to accept our answers and move on from the question comes off as resentful how is it resentful to have a difference of

Brian Atlasopinion you requested to be on the show like yeah we have adversarial conversations this is a topic that came up it was in response to something that

Brian Atlasshe brought up and it occurs to me like if I'm she was making the argu that I'm resentful because I have these biases she claims I have biases when it comes

Brian Atlasto divorce all this stuff and so I was like okay well let's turn it around on you guys do you guys have any biases against men clearly you do that's the whole point of the bear versus Man

Brian Atlasexperiment and I'm I'm just trying to point out to you if we look at the math if we think of this logically like I know how you feel about the situation I get it but just logically it doesn't make a lot

Brian Atlasof sense and you can say it's resentful but like the reason I'm giving you push back on your worldview I understand this is an uncomfortable conversation for you but

Brian Atlasif the sky is blue and you guys say no the sky is red and I give you push back on your world view I'm like no the sky is blue that's not me being resentful that's just me

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)challenging what I view as your either uh erroneous take I don't think you'll ever understand what it's like to live and be a woman

Brian Atlasand you wouldn't understand what it's like to be a man and and have women irrationally and have and have women irrationally fear you just by virtue of you being a

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)man I think what's happening is that I think it's both hard both they're being logically leading and obviously it's emotionally leading to to you know

TTS/Chat readeranswer due to your trauma so where the Clash anyways Paladin donated $200 bad choices and poor judgment by women is why they fear men in the first

TTS/Chat readerplace this is just a more of the same they haven't learned can I ask you guys a qu last thing on this and I'm going to move it on if we were to

Brian Atlasreplace If instead of man woman let's say a certain racial group victimized you would it not be racist for you to say I'm scared of this racial group

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)because they victimized me in the past would it be racist answer the question starting with you I mean yeah you shouldn't judge based on gender or ethnicity or on

Brian Atlasreligion or on should yes can you repeat the question okay if a racial group victimized you an

Brian Atlasindividual who belonged to a racial group victimized you would and you then carried a b bi against the racial group you avoided the

Brian Atlasracial group you thought ill of the racial group would that be racist or is that an

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)individual who is it's not representative of their racial group necessarily I don't think you should be comparing race and gender and like religion like Angelic said but um if you

Brian Atlaswant me to answer your question then would it be racist let's say I was victimized by a a racial group and because of that I had prejudice against that racial group

Brian Atlasmoving forward would it be racist mhm

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)okay sure yes yes sure yes yeah I think it would be trauma once again

Brian Atlasokay let's do some chats okay Angel I'm going to have you read some chats we got a bunch to catch up on I think to cap it off there's good and evil in the world period okay go ahead Angelic panel would

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)you stay in a relationship if your partner dislikes hates your family # we Andrew everyone my partner would have to get

Brian Atlasalong uh with my my parents are very important so and my parents are very chill so I can't imagine somebody not getting along with them but if they had any issue with the parents parents come

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)for come first first um yeah I would break up that person but I don't Envision that being an issue my parents are super chill so anybody else want to weigh on that yeah I think it's

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)important I always Envision in my future like marriage that we get our families together for the holidays and everything like that so I would very much like for them to like my family and for me to like their

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)family okay uh Angelic read this one please someone roast this talking about me go ahead you chubby woman I'm a

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)chubby woman hater Brian now he's getting away with so much do not let him uh yeah it's giving woman hater okay uh thank you ligma appreciate it ligma

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)ligma what uh there's another one coming in go ahead how dare you have opinions Brian how dare I you're supposed to allow women to do whatever they want and never suffer consequences marry single

Brian Atlasmother prostitutes majority of your guests how dare I just how dare I okay we have uh another one coming

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)in question for the panel what does commitment even mean to you as a woman H going around the table starting with you go ahead I love this question

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)so commitment to me is well at the end of the day love is a feeling and all feelings are fleeting so understanding that when you get into a relationship with your partner you're not always is going to be happy with them they are

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)going to disappoint you they are going to annoy you it's about sticking through those times with them and it's about what you do in spite of love being there or not you know cuz you're not always

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)going to be so you know head over heels for them and that's okay that doesn't mean you don't love them but it's sticking through those times that's commitment to me um I think it's sticking with your

Katemorals and values of the relationship and making sure that you are um 100% uh agreeing with each other and in love with each other and making sure you're

Katetalking and communicating and making sure that you can be a perfect relation not perfect relationship but a good relationship and to make sure you don't falter in any way quick answers if you

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)can guys go ahead uh loyalty and Trust uh being able to stick with each other when uh times are rough and when times are good mhm uh yeah sticking together

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)not ending things over something dumb exclusive continuously choosing each other every single day commitment is a choice that you have to make

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)daily um being with someone despite the goods and the bads I prise yeah being uh going through a a richer vers War yeah

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)Angelic copy and paste all right we have another chat here from Nickelodeon thank you man go ahead Angelic if you badmouth a woman you're a woman hater if you offer them the World

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)by ask ask for a bow CT courtesy you're manipulative woman will hate a good man for the wrong reasons then worship a pump and dumper well put

Brian AtlasNickelodeon well well put yeah man it's toxic and abusive to want a woman to Bow you heard it here first on the whatever

Brian Atlaspodcast uh it's it's enabling hateful Behavior Uh all right we have another one from

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)ligma Brian Little Panda ain't going to eat you and it's a bear wait what Panda Express I'm confused was this one that called Nick a panda bear I don't know all right thank

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)you ligma appreciate it Little Panda a little Panda ain't GNA eat you H we have another one coming up how is preferring a random bear over a random man not man-hating if you're

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)holding Brian to the standard of women hating for stating facts that are negative for

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)women I mean can I answer sure go ahead okay because Brian in

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)your arguments again it comes back to your experience and like thinking about

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)you the man bear thing is just like fear based on experi like honestly it's

Brian Atlastrauma I mean couldn't I just turn this argument back on you and say men have been have had terrible experiences in the family court system and so it's not

Brian Atlasit's based on their own experience and what what we've heard are uh male peers tell us about their own experience in the court system and getting divorced

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)and they get hurt financially well that's not your experience so it's such a deflection

Brian Atlaswhereas most of these answers were like fear based on very real situations I have a fear of hold on men have a fear of like getting put

Brian Atlasthrough the ringer financially do you think that's not a valid

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)fear no that's it's not oh so okay it is valid it's a valid fear but you're going based on what other like other people's

Brian Atlasexperiences are those other experiences not true I mean I guess the statistics if that's if those are well what if a what if a woman had never been victimized but because she heard other women had been victimized and she

Brian Atlasbelieved certain statistics about that that she too chooses bear is her answer to Bear unjustified because she hasn't experienced it herself I do think that

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)most women answering bear have probably had a pretty rough experience that's why it's irrational I

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)will agree that it is irrational yeah but again what Angela yeah we shouldn't yeah I think a lot of it is just fear motivated but however I

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)disagree with fear dictating Our Lives we should not let fear dictate our choices in our decisions in this world but a lot of people do that because they're afraid to confront those fears and confront those traumas they have Angela can you read this

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)chat forget the man and the Bear in the woods scenario would you rather have a 3 to 5% chance of being or a 50% chance of dying a

Brian Atlasprobably slow painful and excruciating it's a pretty heavy question I mean if any of the girls want to answer it you can but you don't have to answer it does anybody want to answer see grid One

TTS/Chat readerMotorsports donated $200 the only trauma here is the trauma these women inflict on the men in theer lives better to live alone in a desert ladies what do you offer a man other

Brian Atlasthan three usable holes and fleing Beauty grid one be nice woman hater what you woman grid one you you're

Brian Atlasgiving me woman hater grid one you're giving me woman hater bro all right um I don't think any of the girls I'm sorry Raptor I don't think any of the girls

Brian Atlaswanted to answer the question um so sorry man uh but it did come through your chat came through uh speaking of

Brian Atlaswhich we have a chat from Stiffler oops God God damn Nick I got I got I got Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10 starting

Brian Atlaswith you Angelic wait hold on actually I want to do something a little different is just is is anybody a 10 does anybody give thems a

TTS/Chat reader10 L paladins donated $200 I have a cooworker his wife cheated on him and left him for another man one year before his retirement she was

Brian Atlasawarded $600,000 half is 401K shame on her sad that's probably not all I'm assuming you know there's community property if there's a house I

Brian Atlasmean there's probably more than just that don't even I mean probably the lawyers fees etc etc etc it's probably I would I would say his loss was over a million um

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)so anybody ATT 10 Nick's ATT 10 all right here uh starting with you Angela go ahead okay well last time I was on here I got

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)dragged for rating myself a four but I have been working on my confidence over the past year and so it's something that I've been putting a lot of effort into

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)so I would say now maybe like a six okay uh five five and a half um I was going to ask answer I was like I might not be a 10 out of 10 to like

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)everybody in this room or like this world but to myself I have to like believe I'm a 10 out of 10 because I'm my biggest supporter no one else is going to support you besides

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)yourself but so the question is about your looks if you want me to uh seven okay six nine

Backgroundeight three no uh seven

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)okay here's the thing though I do think I think I know where you're going with this no no no no I do think that it is objective because there are people that

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)like uh there will be like a standardly good-looking guy and he's not hot to me and same with the other like vice versa like there's no I do not think that

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)there's a be really a beauty standard because like talking to my friends I'm like oh no when they're like no he's a 10 and same with girls so like how I

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)actually don't think this question could be answered I'm not even trying to be difficult do you want to just give an answer like what do you think about yourself when you look in the mirror

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)okay also if I if it was like a completely Level Playing Field and there was no work done and no makeup like it

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)was we were going Toe to Toe I think maybe like

Brian Atlasa six and a half but I even playing field oh that was yeah took us about a minute to get there

Brian Atlasbut okay two minutes uh six I give myself a five okay uh all right so not a 10 you're I think you're the only one

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)who said 10 but then you kind of walked it back a little bit no she said seven actually but she described that mentally she likes to think of herself as a 10 okay I respect

Brian Atlasthank all right well okay we won't linger too long on that one I do think there's some degree of objectivity when it comes to attractiveness for example

Brian Atlasyou could show two people of differing attractiveness and if you showed that person to a 100,000 people like there're

Brian Atlasthere's a pretty good chance that like 99 90% of people will pick one over the other would you agree with that that's a

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)likely possibility yeah but like I watched one show where you said who you think was like very very close to like one of the best looking women and I

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)guarantee if you showed 90% of the men her versus I don't know somebody else they would there's a good chance they'd pick a different person

Brian Atlaslike it is subjective Nick could you look up uh Lis Luis Guzman and then who was that other guy that we've pulled up before

Brian AtlasFrancisco Lachowski pull up uh Google images on both those guys please guys twitch.tv/ whatever drops a follow drops a prime sub if you have one

Brian Atlasuh while Nick's pulling that up do you think you'll be more physically do you think you're more physically attractive now or will you be more physically attractive in 10

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)years um probably no no no no no I guess we'll have to wait and see but I'm betting that things are going to

Brian Atlasbe pretty good now yeah now no okay uh Nick let's do the comparison oh wait we were supposed to okay well this is fine all

Brian Atlasright so no okay we'll look at him first uh this is Lis Luis Guzman he's an actor uh okay and then this is make the IM uh control mouse wheel up make it bigger

Brian Atlasplease okay uh so if we were to show both of these men to 100,000

Brian Atlaswomen do you think overwhelmingly the women would pick the first guy or this guy starting with you Angelic how about

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)which one do you pick first guy neither oh you have to pick which one do you pick I don't know though I like genuinely it's hard I know

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)um conventionally wise obviously most women would choose the second option okay um neither but to choose the second

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)option second second second second the second Luis gozman is going to be so much funnier though his personality I don't know yeah I don't know looks oh

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)looks okay yeah second sorry yeah second oh look at that objectivity yeah but also I've seen where you'll rate girls on the show like something wild and

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)those are obviously not comparable like those are not like I'm not trying to be a dick but they're they're human beings yeah 100% but well I'm I'm kind of

Brian Atlasgiving it's to articulate a point that there is some objectivity when it comes to uh

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)Beauty yeah there's some okay like being across the board I do not think that it is

Q (The Q Pill)completely so so so why do you think the second guy was rated higher than if if if it's not objective there's not an objective element to it then why do you think everyone at the table chose the

Q (The Q Pill)second dude dude what what obviously some of it is but you don't think that would be extrapolated no because one person might like I'm not talking about

Q (The Q Pill)100% we talking about we talking about majority what do you think made him more attractive probably that he was healthy he was healthy yeah and way

Q (The Q Pill)younger that's pretty fair like those are obviously so lighter so lighter weight yeah lighter weight gr about one photo you show what about his facial structure what about his what about his

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)physiy what about their physiy compared to all I saw was like a old ungroomed unhealthy obviously those two things are very very okay what if we I mean we

Brian Atlascould probably find a photo of him when he was the same exact age as Francisco and like healthy and groomed I'm just it's anyway I'm going

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)to this on Angelic can you read this real quick M Angelic is a solid 10 Dro dead gorgeous and any man would be lucky to be providing and taking care of you

Brian Atlasprovided you get rid of the best friend there you go even the chat okay now let's get into some more of the pre-show notes we do have we hit we got most of them with Madison we have

Brian AtlasJordan uh yeah no not I just want to get through maybe for a little bit at the end uh Vada you're raised independent

Brian Atlasbut you have value actually wait I want to come to you real quick uh show of hands who here considers themselves traditional show of hands are you

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)traditional I guess what yeah okay traditional I think I'm more of a free spirit but I wouldn't mind a more

Brian Atlastraditional approach to I don't know uh V you said you're both feminist and traditional I'm curious about about that how do you reconcile that or how do you

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)explain that um yeah so the definition of feminism keeps changing every podcast or every host who knows um but again I'm

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)just one other person my definition of f feminism is the advocate for women's rights on the basis of equality of the Sexes um I don't think that my husband

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)has an issue if we both do dishes I don't think he has an issue if we both cook I don't think he has an issue if we both pay the bills so that's kind of like the traditional

Brian Atlasfeminism view okay that we share that we have okay the way uh one of our reoccurring guests describes it Andrew

Brian AtlasWilson he'll describe feminism as the movement towards egalitarianism and the dismantling of a so-called patriarchy so are you in favor

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)of are you against the patriarchy if that's the definition of feminism I would be intrigued to hear the definition of patriarchy which I've

Brian Atlasalso heard and it's led by the father did I get that right yeah so I guess it would be I mean there's again different views on this but F uh familial rule by

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)men and then uh I guess societal and governmental rule by men yeah um so in the marriage I think ruled by I guess ruled by led by men I

Brian Atlaswould I would rather be led I think I I kind of Mis misspoke there but uh led by men yeah yeah

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)yes led by men both in the in the family in society and in the government in the government I think that it's too far of

Brian Atlasa lens to see what men's and women's needs are okay like separately all right uh okay uh going to Angelic you said you

Brian Atlashad a unique dating story about you were 19 you moved where for I moved all the way to New Zealand for my boyfriend at the

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)time oh my gosh yeah it was um I was only 19 yeah but then you got there and then what happened so Co happened when I got there and we never really got to see

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)each other and then we ended up breaking up literally 2 months into me moving over there dang yeah that's rough oh

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)my so did you leave no I I had I was stuck you're stuck oh it's co I was stuck I was just like well okay couldn't even see the country just stuck in a

Brian Atlasroom were you still living with God we never lived together no oh okay you just had your own okay yeah I had my own place dang rough mhm so how long were

Brian Atlasyou stuck in New Zealand for a year oh [ __ ] okay long time girl yeah okay and uh you want oh going to Turkish delight

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)oh my God a man told you he would drive 5 minutes away or what was the story um so a guy told me it was 5 minutes away for ice cream and then it was longer

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)than 5 minutes and we never even got ice cream so like what happened right is that he asked me out on a date and I wasn't interested but I was like okay like whatever like obvious to expand your horizons whatever it is um we went on a date and then I don't know what he

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)had I don't really what whatever I had a latte and this is like an example of like I tried to pay and he just grabbed my rest and we like fighting in the cafe like about who's going to pay um but he ended up paying mhm and then after he

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)was done he's like oh do you want to grab ice cream and I was like oh like kind of like we've been sitting here for like an hour 2 hours like maybe another time it's like nous Daniel donated

TTS/Chat reader$200 I just got back from Cuba and glad to have whatever podcast back to sunny days and C crazy debates is not sunny in Cuba I hope you enjoyed your time in

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)Cuba man thank you appreciate it uh go ahead thanks Daniel um but um so he's like it's 5 minutes away and he told me like where it was this is in Australia by the way no one would know

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)where it is but um I was like a k no worries um we got in his car and as we were driving it was like 5 minutes past and we were going nowhere in the direction of the ice cream place

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)and I was like oh like whatever maybe it's another one it was like time was ticking it was 10 minutes 15 minutes 30 minutes an hour not even it was two hours we're in the car and then he goes

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)oh you have time right and I was like surely now I do anyways it took me to like this

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)abandoned Forest I don't know where I was um and then he was like to me oh how do you like we're just talking in the car like conversating asking questions deep meaningful emotional whatever but

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)um we weren't really aligned like he kept saying I really hate people like I would never do anything for everyone and I was like the complete opposite like I would do everything for anyone like it's part of the love aspect that I have for people friends family like I said before

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)and I just really was not aligning with him like it was just not working and then he just randomly said to me oh like is there going to be another date and I was like a I don't think so and then he

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)break in the middle of nowhere and he's like what the hell do you mean I'm not going to have another dat and I thought I was going to die I was actually so scared but then I lied and I was like I didn't mean to lie but at the moment of time I was like you know what like we never know what the future holds like

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)you know there could be a possibility out there for us and then he drove me home and as I was no drove me home drove me back to my car and as I was getting out of the car he was still driving while the door and I wasn't even out

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)like it was just a crazy experience was he a ban that's scary was he a what a Bogan you know what that is yep oh no way yeah he

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)was you went on an ice cream date with ban you know what like I don't want to she's desperate for some ice cream I give everyone like a chance you need to get to know some before you make a

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)judgment you know B I can't believe you know what that is I'm uh well traveled I see it's like a a travel it's like a redneck kind of yeah oh go you know what a redneck is

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)that's rck is that you guys that's very common oh sorry I didn't know that was so weird yeah now you also wanted to talk about uh acceptable age range so talking like age

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)Gap relationships age Gap yeah because I know the whole like for me personally I would never want to date anyone who's under the age of 20 just cuz I feel like it's it feels so like terrible and wrong

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)but I feel like once you get older age kind of starts getting lost like I feel like like there are so many people who are around my age like 24 or dating like older people like 36 and stuff like that sure and I just want to know like what

Brian Atlasdoes everyone consider as their acceptable age range I guess yeah does any well for let's just maybe start off does anybody here get the ick

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)from age Gap relationships assuming they're both adults here it depends how big the Gap is I know like it's legally you know but

Brian Atlashow about 3525 let's start there is that does that give you the ick anybody any I there no I'm 25 my husband's 33 so this is pretty close okay with about

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)3020 ick no ick not yet it gives the ick now but when I was 20 I was dating a

Q (The Q Pill)38 I'm glad you said that thank you for saying that glad you said a l when I look at that relationship and I'm like dude you couldn't even

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)drink like at least go for a girl who you can buy a cocktail for legally what if he doesn't drink well even better

Brian Atlasthere you go okay uh yeah I guess uh I don't if a woman wants to date an older

Brian Atlasor older younger man in either Direction that's fine both adults yeah both adults but definitely get Icky vibes from if

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)it's like too big the age gap's too big I'm CU like what's the how big is too big um what are we talking probably

Brian Atlasmore than like my God probably more than like 12 years okay that's I'm just I want to hear from anybody here who I mean I mean some of you haven't really been vocal on this but 12 was like for

Brian Atlasthose of you who would would would give the ick let's say like a 30-year-old with a 19-year-old something like that that's criminal not technically inica Tech not technically sounds criminal

Brian Atlasthough it's under the age of 20 like do they even know what they like like are there morals are there ethics or what they want in life aligned well they are adults and if they can make if they can legally enter a

Brian Atlascontract they can take out student loans that will inbt them for the rest of their life racking up six figures of student loan debt they can join the military and go die in some uh overseas conflict what else can you do uh at that

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)AG 19-year-old probably doesn't even know any better I'm going to be honest because they're going into college like let me well can a should a 19-year-old be allowed to do sex work um like can should a 19-year-old

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)woman be allowed to start and only fans I mean like I'm not going to judge anyone for what they want to do I mean I personally wouldn't think so but I I don't know what the legalities are here

Brian Atlaswell okay so it's uh the age of consent is 18 the United States I think on the federal level there's some states where it's all it's it's a lot of states where 16 lower but at the federal level my

Brian Atlasunderstanding is that it's 18 so okay so but the example I gave was 30 and then 19 I'm I would be curious to hear from anybody who does think think it's

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)besides it just giving you the ick can anybody actually make an like an argument for how it's wrong I think it's weird for somebody I think it's bizarre

Brian Atlasthat's the I no no no prefrontal cortex is undeveloped I'm pretty sure that's fake news no it isn't no it's I'm pretty sure that that's a

Brian Atlasneur is [ __ ] I'm Neuroscience major is it real I thought it was I thought [ __ ] but in its defense

Q (The Q Pill)though it's decision making judgment executive functioning those things and you could make the argument that dating has more so to do with emotion and sexual attraction which is a completely different part of the brain it would

Q (The Q Pill)just be essentially them making decisions where we don't really make good decisions in dating regardless 45 yearolds still make terrible decisions when it comes to the partners that they choose so I don't really agree with the

Q (The Q Pill)prefrontal cortex being a valid argument because it has more to do with just overall executive functioning and decision making and attraction is really a logical and IR rational a lot of wait and is this for the prefrontal cortex

Brian AtlasI'm assuming you're arguing that it's for both men and women right yeah yeah yeah right both men and women okay so then should we raise the voting age to

Brian Atlas25 I would have to look more into what do you mean you already have the data the prefrontal CeX isn't fully developed until 25 yeah but I actually did think

Q (The Q Pill)that it affected more emotional as well so I but I don't have a it you're not you're not wrong but I don't think it has a substantial effect on dating

Q (The Q Pill)outcomes it it it will more so be able it it's it's it's more so gauging long-term consequences of your actions and that's why I'm saying in dating because it's so attraction based and it's so emotion emotionally based it's

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)hard to determine what you know what I'm saying like the decisions you would make I I don't think so because I think that when a older much older man pursues a

Bri/Maddie/Turkish (mixed)woman with the lack of those abilities to make sound S as sound decisions and emotional intelligence and really is

Q (The Q Pill)just running off of I I don't know but why would that only be dating though she's subjected to having to make adult decisions everywhere else in life that's

Q (The Q Pill)why he said voting college debt a whole bunch of things things that you gauge long-term consequences okay what's my out look like if I do this what are the consequences what are risk what are the

Brian Atlasramifications I don't feel like it would hurt to delay voting to 25 wait so and just to be clear you you you framed it like when it's an older man dating a younger woman do you have

Brian Atlasthe same OB objection when it's an old same age woman dating a younger man 100% although it tends to be a bit more rare um so I'm trying to think

Brian Atlasso you're fine with increasing the voting age then yeah yeah she just said yeah she fine with that all right oh okay

Brian Atlasuh anybody any I think that's it and then for you uh you said to be honest everyone is entitled to living a life they are comfortable going to bed with however I'm extremely I guess quote

Brian Atlasunquote pure in my way so I guess some things that others do may shock me but nevertheless no disrespect or disagreement with what they do to make themselves happy so you mean like

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)sloting around like being a strumpet no like I mean like I'm very like pure in a sense of I've never smoked I've never done drugs I've never drank alcohol I

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)barely I think I've went gone clubing like three yes oh God that's awesome is that an alcohol beverage yeah you want me to make your cup no no no I'm fine thank you no it's like a personal choice like um but see like if my friends were

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)to drink or if my friends wanted to smoke or anything like that oh my good she wants one anyways um like if anyone like wanted to do it around me I would never judge them I guess cuz in a sense

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)of people get happiness from different things and I'm not one to sabotage or jeopardize their happiness for anything okay we have notes here from

Brian AtlasAmy and then notes from Jess and then we'll do a short like roast session I guess and then we'll wrap up the

Brian Atlasshow so oh wait we have to do bumble to yeah uh I'll wait till she's back a uh Amy tell us about the

Brian AtlasUCI story did I send that in or was it the other one yeah you sent that the one where like I so a boy so you said the

Brian Atlasboy once dropped out of UCI UC Irvine to try to go to UC Riverside for for you because you broke up with him yes well no no no no that's not the case no okay

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)so it was my longest relationship we met um I think it was like senior year of high school and then we dated till like freshman year of college he went to UCI

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)I went to UCR right um and he was like oh what if I drop out of UCI to go to UCR for you and I was like that's stupid why you literally got into UCI why would you do that you know I was like you want

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)to throw away like all your hard work like Ju Just for me this like dumb like we still made it work like I would visit UCI he would visit UCR um but we were

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)already having like problems in like our relationship and I was like you know if you like throw away your whole future like that you throw away your education like that's where I draw the line like I'm going to break up with you and he did it without telling me he's like oh I

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)dropped that UCI and he's like I'm going to go to CC like Community College and then go to UCR for you and I was like this is not for me this is for you don't like project like that onto me you know right you did this for yourself and I

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)found out from his friends later that he was like already failing in the major that he was in he wanted to transition from uh CS to like business ad but it was like really hard so I feel like he used me as like a scapegoat yeah yeah so

Brian Atlaslike I stood my ground I like was like this this is it like can't do that okay what and there was a different story about the Nike yogurt shoes what tells

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)the story there I dated a pathological liar it was like really weird one like the one thing that I remember most was that like we were in the McDonald's drivethru right and he was like sitting he was like passenger princess right I

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)was driving red flag right there and then he was like you know I've never told anyone this but I'm actually related to the Queen of England oh my God yeah like I'm British royalty I looked at him I was

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)like you're Wan bro what like yeah my my dad's actually um Prince Harry's cousin I looked at him up and down I like uh I don't believe you and he's like you're just like everyone else and he starts crying in the car and I was like uh wait

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)he starts crying he starts crying like hands down and I'm like are you good bro like he starts crying cuz I said I don't believe him you didn't believe him no like pull the proof bro what do you mean that's crazy yeah like and then he was

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)trying to move into like did he have viny hands and Tattoos viny hands yeah tattoos I don't remember um he was trying to move into trying to move into my house and um he

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)was like oh I'm like having problems with like where I'm renting right now like can I like you know leave some of my stuff at your place you know at the time I was like yeah sure whatever like it's only temporary right and then he went behind my back and then told like

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)all my housemates he's like yeah she's going to let me move in like all my [ __ ] like rent and live rentree and I was like what like I didn't know that until like one of my housemates pulled me aside and they like told me and I was

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)like oh [ __ ] no I'm kicking this bum out of my [ __ ] house um so I told him pack of [ __ ] and leave because like what the [ __ ] like how did you say it like pretend I'm him hold on actually yeah

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)pretend I'm him how did you say that [ __ ] I was like you have to pack your stuff and go like I'm not going to let you live here like rentree like like what you you didn't say get the [ __ ] out no cuz I I didn't want like like I'm not

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)going to like start beefing with him like with in there I was just like I just want you to get your stuff out of my house like I don't want you to like move into my house like that um so he like moved like most of his stuff out

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)and then I like was let me see he left some stuff in my house and he's like oh can you like drop it off for me I was like what a bum ass move like what you can't even like finish what you started

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)right um and he left like a pair of like these Nike shoes and I was like you know what I'mma [ __ ] him up um so me and my housemate we like took it apart and then we slathered some yogurt in it you know glued that [ __ ] back leave in left in

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)the garage and then gave it back to him but but here's the thing after I gave all his [ __ ] back to him a couple months later I got like an Instagram DM from like this this girl and she's like is it's one of those like hey girly text

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)like hey um and she like tells me she she did her research she had like a whole last timeline he's like yeah he was cheating on you with me and like two other girls and I was like what that's insane and this is not like the first

Amy/Veta/Jordan (mixed)time like she sent like a whole like history from like it was like 2017 to like whatever timeline was like 2021 and then um he also tried to move into her place too so I wasn't like the only person he was like trying to move his

Background[ __ ] into oh my God and it was like kind of like a pattern I was like that's what I'm talking about that's why he's the that's why he's the goat the goat the

Brian Atlas[ __ ] I did not bullet dodg the bullet so you you put yogurt in his Nikes and yeah did he yogurt did he like ever be like yo what the [ __ ] oh I blocked him immediately like afterwards like what

Brian Atlasthe fu has anybody any girl here ever slashed attire I've wanted to but no I haven't oh [ __ ] okay uh going to Jess here you

Brian Atlassaid let's see you have lots of dating stories you've dated all sorts most of your exes come from wealthy families that live near the

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)beach and F you dated a fashion icon son and do you want to wondering which part you want to talk about I'm I'm prompting

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)you oh I'm sorry I'm so exhausted it's so late I never stay up this late um yeah I dated you've never stayed up till 11: no I do it's just usually I start

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)getting ready for about around like 9:30 and I'm out by like 10:30 Max most nights I didn't know that this was going to be like an 8 Hour thing um yeah I dated Brenda Cooper's son if you guys

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)have ever watched The Nanny that was a fun relationship sorry I'm giving you sass on purpose cuz you've been giving us sass all night wait you dated who I didn't give anybody sass do you know the nanny Fashion Center he gave you that

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)purse I brought it on purpose cuz I thought you guys might want to talk about talk talk about oh my God I actually worked for her for like oh my God who the hell cares that's why I

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)don't really want to talk about it with you go this special purse the special

Brian Atlaspurse so special cuz it's my only one the special per okay um you said that you you dated the Herbal Life

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)Founders son not founder he's founding Circle I said that in there not the actual Founders ohy excuse me Founders Circle so it's like they both equally helped build sometimes you guys would

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)listen to Lady Gaga practice on her piano from the state over from the state over yeah yeah he was a 38-year-old that I actually met when I was 19 and he's

Brian Atlasstill in my DMs and if you're watching this you need to stop you have a kid okay you said that your current boyfriend lives in mono and his father

Brian Atlaspretty much put together Century City Mall yeah oh okay cool they're um really big in the commercial real estate world so just to be clear most of your exes come from

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)wealthy families I'm not saying that um they have to and I'm just saying that as a dating pattern of mine that's what okay cuz I have dated other guys that weren't

Brian AtlasI'm just saying the ones I take more seriously do happen it's kind like girls who say it's kind of like girls who say expensive to live near the beach it's kind of like the girls who say well I don't really care about height but every single guy they date is like six foot

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)plus it's like here comes the resentment ladies how oh my God how is it resentful how's that resentful why are you judging me so hard just cuz I like to date guys that live near the beach she has a preference

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)just like most people just like you have a preference for someone who plays with violin and big labia you're right the way she said bigia that was so cute yeah but you said

Brian Atlasthey come from wealthy families that live near the beach yes it's really expensive to live near the beach it's not resentful to point out a pattern how's it resentful I'm just

Brian Atlasright you need to be in a certain tax I'm sorry I'm cranky I'm tired hold on I got something for this

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)hold on I played this like two times as if I literally say that all the time

Brian Atlasthat was so good as if so whoa that was good okay uh let's see you said people are usually interested in your standards

Brian Atlashow you always end up leveling up after your exes after exes and most my friends think of me as a dating expert yeah you said so what are your standards you

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)said people my standards I've listed them off this entire show I want somebody who's gonna you know put together the first date isn't going to have qualms about paying because why are you asking me on a first date um yeah I

Angelic/Jordan/Jasmine/Turkish (mixed)like dating guys that live near the beach I like to spend most of my free time at the beach so being near the beach is actually just you know rather convenient for me and my

Brian Atlastaste okay so uh living by the beach is that your standards well when you swipe in Beach

Brian Atlasareas you tend to match with people that live near the beach well when you there's okay there's live near the beach and then there's like beach FR

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