Andrew Wilson vs. Naima HEATED Debate Round 2 | Whatever Debates #23

Date: 2025-11-11

Duration: 3h 30m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_04Naima(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces debate: Andrew Wilson vs Naima Round 2

Key MomentAndrew reduces Naima's morality grounding to 'preference'

ControversyAndrew: under Naima's morality, slavery/genocide would be justified if preferred by majority

QuoteNaima on male benevolence: 'Kind of the bare minimum, no?'

Key MomentTwin-brother incest thought experiment tests bodily autonomy principle

QuoteAndrew closing: 'You just got absolutely decimated'

QuoteNaima closing: 'The few times you stated opinions, you justified slavery and genocide'

Topics Discussed

Rights/Morality Grounding

~90 min debate on whether rights can be grounded outside God. Andrew reduces Naima to preference-based anti-realism.

Feminism Lies About Male Benevolence

Andrew: men could rape/enslave but choose not to, therefore benevolent. Naima: that's the bare minimum.

Can Black People Be Racist?

Quick agreement on interpersonal racism; disagree on systemic.

Feminism Enslaved Women (Student Debt)

Andrew: feminist push for college created debt slavery. Naima: blame capitalism not feminism.

Force Doctrine Deep-Dive

Men have monopoly on force, women always appeal to men for rights.

Transcript

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Naimahow bad this is. Well, I'm sure your fan will really appreciate it. No, it's not >> can we go back to >> we can't because No, you just don't want to defend the morality of force doctrine. That's what this is about. How could How

Naimacould I You don't want to defend the morality of using coercive power. >> Is force doctrine objectively not moral? I think that using coercive power against the consent of those you are using that power on is immoral.

Naima>> Prove it. It's immoral because it's causing human suffering. And what grounds human suffering is being what is immoral? I believe that natural law dictates human

Naimasuffering is objectively bad and so does your God. You both agree on that in my secular framework and in your religious framework. >> Well, hang on. Hang on. Wait, you believe in a God? No, I said in my secular framework and

Naimayour religious framework. >> So, what what grounds natural rights is being objectively true? I believe natural rights are grounded as being objectively true based on human experience. So, if human if humans have the

Andrew Wilsonexperience or not true, are they still true? What? >> If human if a human being has an experience that tells him natural rights are not true, are they still true? Well, that's a singular human. This is collective human experience. So, I'm not

Andrew Wilsona collectivist, just to clarify. >> Okay, so collectively if collectively human beings experiences that natural rights are not true or natural law is not true, then natural law is not true?

Andrew WilsonIf collectively humans experience that natural laws are not true Well, certain natural laws are just like killing is bad. >> No, answer my question. If collectively human beings don't through their own

Andrew Wilsonexperience do not believe natural laws are true, are they still true? >> Well, let's pick a natural law. Suffering causes harm. So, or harm causes suffering. >> No, not always. Sometimes.

Naima>> Okay. Physical harm >> No, it's only sometimes. Non-consensual physical harm causes suffering. Even if every human agreed >> Uh-huh. that non-consensual physical

Andrew Wilsonharm causes suffering, if somebody stabbed Brian in the neck and he suffered >> Yeah. because he was physically harmed, it's still true. Sorry, Brian. >> It's true that he got stabbed in the neck, but you haven't demonstrated how

Naimait's true that that's immoral. >> Because it's objectively true. No, him getting stabbed in the neck is true, but how would How is it immoral? >> I'm talking about natural laws being objective even if

Naima>> Isn't natural law the basis So, is natural law a descriptor of like things that happen? Some of them. Somewhat. I mean, suffering causing harm is not just a descriptor of things that happen.

Naima>> Let's start with this. What is natural law? Let's just make sure I get it right. Natural law is the collective belief that humans can define their that there are objective truths about morality about good and bad based on

Naimahuman experience. So, it's collective belief. It's not collective belief. You just said natural law is the collective belief. >> Okay, well, it's some people's belief

Naimathat things can be object that actions can be objective. >> natural law? What is it? It's the objective belief that some things are objectively good or bad. What? Oh my god. Andrew, you just really don't want

Naimato like have to defend >> This is what I am defending it right now. >> the morality of force doctrine because you have not made an opinion on whether or not force doctrine is moral or immoral. >> I did. I literally told you what my morality is.

Andrew Wilson>> believe that force doctrine is moral? >> Sometimes. In which instances? >> Well, I I would say if it's if you're using utilizing force doctrine um you know, in the reasonable response to how the Lord would would ask you to operate,

Andrew Wilsonthen it would be fine. >> In what instances would the Lord justify harm? You mean harm Well, all sorts of all sorts of different instances. Self-defense, for instance. Uh warfare, for instance. There could be possibilities where you need Well, you

Naimacould you could >> What warfare has been justified by God? Oh, there were tons of warfare has been justified by God. >> Which ones? You mean in the Old Testament? >> No, I'm talking about currently what human warfare. I mean, God like deciding to smite someone is not warfare.

Naima>> think that Do you think >> What human warfare has been justified by God? >> I don't know what that means. Justified by God. >> When did we as a species go to war and God was like, that is good?

Andrew WilsonOh, I mean, there was tons of times in the Old Testament where God actually >> where God ordered them. Sure, I'll pull up the scripture. Do you want the scriptures where God ordered people to go to war? Here you go.

Andrew WilsonTo me, that's [ __ ] crazy that you don't know this, but here you go. All right. >> Man, this is your religion, Andrew. You shouldn't have to Google it. Well, I just want to be precise. That's fair. Okay?

Andrew WilsonOld Testament God commands war. I mean, he wiped out the Nephilim. I mean, he did all kinds of things. So, um yeah, key examples include the conquest

Andrew Wilsonof Canaan where God commands the destruction of the Canaanites. Um I mean, that's one example right off the top of it, but he's he's actually many times uh created justifications for war. So, yeah. >> I want to understand your morality a

Naimalittle bit cuz I'm You have to familiarize me because I'm I'm not myself a Christian. So, because God justified that um instance of war, do you believe

Naimathat God is justifying all instances of war? No. Okay, so um according to God, when is war justified and when is war not unjustified? Well, that's a loaded

Andrew Wilsonquestion, but I'll try to answer it as best I can. Uh concepts of war generally justified through the ideas of self-defense. The rigors of what would happen inside of collective warfare would be it would necessarily have to

Andrew Wilsonfollow Christian ethics. So, you couldn't do things like essay women. You couldn't You couldn't You couldn't do any of those things. They would be restricted by uh the New Testament

Naimagospels. Okay, so would you say that it's fair to assert that God generally, cuz I know the do not kill is a commandment. >> Do not murder. Well, killing and murdering are equivalent, but No, they're not the equivalent.

Naima>> Uh to an extent, but >> Not to an extent. >> For the context of this debate Oh, so now you're a lawyer. Okay. So, we know that God said >> This is basic philosophy. Hold on. Actually, let me look that up. Yeah, killing and murder are two different things.

NaimaI agree that killing and murdering >> one is not justified. >> and murdering are different things, but I didn't know that God justified those. Oh, yeah. So, it's thou shalt not kill. Okay. >> It's thou shalt not murder. I mean, the

Andrew Wilsonactual quote in the Bible is thou shalt not kill. >> Septuagint, which is the origination of the Bible that we're reading. It's thou shalt not murder. >> So, you're not using the King James edition of the Bible? >> The NKJV The NKJV, we use the

Andrew WilsonSeptuagint. Where did the King James Bible come from? Do you even know? No, but >> about? You have no idea about the historic standard. It is thou shalt not murder. >> So, you just got the quote wrong,

Andrew Wilsonthough. What? It's literally Ask Google while I'm sitting here. Is it thou shalt not kill or thou shalt not murder? Ask it.

NaimaIn older translations, it is phrased as thou shalt not kill and in newer ones, it's thou shalt not >> Oh, so I was right again. I mean, we were kind of both >> No, you were just wrong. >> It's thou shalt not kill or murder and thou shalt not kill and murder another.

Naima>> No, in the original No, the the translation >> thou shalt not kill. >> Yes, no, it's murder. It's murder. But it's both. It was both. Like anyway. So, God

Naimajust only So, you cannot murder Yeah. according to God. But, the only justification for murdering or killing, either one, is self-defense, according to your God.

Andrew Wilson>> Well, it can It depends on what we're considering self-defense to be. There can be other instances where there could be justifiable killings um that fall outside of of self-defense. Like uh

Andrew Wilson>> Well, like I don't consider it murder if if I'm working on top of like a [ __ ] bridge and I actually kick a wrench off and it falls down and it hits somebody in the head and they die. Well, I think that's negligence. I currently >> consider that, but it's killing someone.

Andrew WilsonBut, I don't I don't consider those categorically the same because I think murder requires intent. You don't or God doesn't. Same. It would be It'd be the idea of intentionality.

Naima>> Okay. So, under your religious framework >> Uh-huh. intentional murder Yeah. Okay. Intentional murder is bad, right? Yeah.

Naima>> going to go to hell. So, then under your religious framework, forced doctrine is immoral. >> No, it's not. >> Yes, it is. No, it's not. I mean, it is. If you were to But, why do you deserve a cookie from women for not choosing to murder us?

Andrew Wilson>> the goal post. >> I'm You just said under my my religious framework, forced doctrine is immoral. Now, [ __ ] demonstrate it and stop playing games. >> Excuse me. >> Like, literally demonstrate it. >> Oh my God, he's so angry.

NaimaI love it when you get mad at me. >> Demonstrate it. I mean, under your definition of what is moral and immoral based on your God, which I don't necessarily disagree with, but under

Naimathat definition, it would be immoral to suddenly impose your will using coercive power on a woman and kill her or murder her. Wait a second.

Naima>> Either one. I'm sorry. How does this in any way dispute forced doctrine? It disputes the morality of you thinking you deserve a pat on the back for choosing not to murder women every day.

Naima>> Wait a second. I'm sorry. Let me Let me >> you started this Hold on. Let's go back cuz you started this debate by saying that women >> I just can't even believe that this is >> No. I mean, Andrew, I feel like you're just struggling to understand your own ideas.

Naima>> am struggling to understand >> this debate by saying that women deserve should thank you. We should thank you so much >> yeah. >> for choosing every day not to violently

Naimaharm us and murder us and kill us. But, your God tells you not to. So, why should we thank you for following the basic rules of morality set by your God?

NaimaYou haven't done me a favor. You've just gotten yourself into heaven. But, instead, I should be thanking you. You just conceded. That's not you, though. Like, why do you deserve credit for that? Say thank you to my God. I'm not saying thank you to

Andrew Wilsonyour God. But, this You started this debate by saying I should say thank you to men, to you. Why should I thank you? Absolutely wrong because you wanted me to thank

Andrew Wilsonyou. But, instead, I should be thanking you. You just conceded. It was a concession. Okay. Well, after your concession, let's hear your argument. So, look. We're going to make

Andrew Wilsonthis super easy. Actually, at the start of the debate, you're wrong. I said only through my view can rights be justified for anybody, including women. Only through my view of God can rights be

Andrew Wilsonjustified. And what did you end up doing here? Proving that the only justification we've ever come up with for why any of this would be wrong, right, or otherwise, is my God. You have presented You have presented nothing.

Andrew WilsonHey, stop filibustering. [ __ ] stop filibustering. It's all you do is filibuster. Well, I mean, at some point, you have to let the other person speak. So, the

Andrew Wilsonthing is is like, look. Not only have I have I We demonstrated that it's only through my God, and I guess you should thank him by your own logic, but you've never created a single standard for how your morality is anything other than

Andrew Wilsonpreference, and your internal critique just now, all it did was ratify what I said at the beginning of the debate, which is that I don't think rights can be grounded through anything but God. And guess what you established? Well,

Andrew Wilsonguess what, Andrew? Rights can't be established by anything but your God. You're right. They can't. I agree. And on top of that, let me just point this out. The entire first part of the debate on the preferential end, all you did was

Andrew Wilsondescribe how morality is preferential over and over and over again. So, if it's the case only only through Christian ethics can this be grounded,

Andrew Wilsonright? And in your world view, now through your world view, can you explain how forced doctrine is wrong outside of preference or not? No, Andrew. By the way, what I was just doing is proving

Naimathrough your own ethical framework why you don't deserve [ __ ] You don't deserve a thank you from women from following the teachings of your own ethical framework brought to you by your God. So, then whether or not I agree with the

NaimaWhether or not I agree with the framework, you have created an ethical framework that puts the moral onus on your God. So, you acting morally is not

Naimasome gift to me and to womankind, but it is what you were told to do by your God. So, why would I thank men? Why should

Naimawomen thank men? That's what you wanted. You wanted a thank you from women for not killing us, for doing the absolute bare minimum, which your own ethical

Naimaframework acknowledged is the absolute bare [ __ ] minimum. So, you want me to thank God for making men do the bare minimum? Are all men Christians? No.

NaimaAre all men Christians? No. Then, should we thank them? Well, yes. They're following their own secular ethical framework that is teaching them not to just maim other men. And by the way, you should thank men. You should thank men.

NaimaWell, I mean, not you. Not you. I didn't say me. Said men. So, you should thank men. I guess I should thank natural law. Thank you, natural law. I agree. Because it's objectively immoral Cuz

Naimait's objectively immoral to kill people, Andrew. Do you not think that killing is objectively immoral? Only from my view, but not from yours. No, from everyone's view.

Andrew WilsonFrom literally everyone's view. Kind of, yeah. Okay. From a Muslim's view From a Muslim's view, is it objectively immoral to take away rights from women?

Andrew WilsonI mean, I'm not Muslim. Oh my God. From a Muslim's view, is it objectively immoral to take away rights from women? But, I haven't studied the Quran. So, why would should I be the one answering on behalf of Muslims?

NaimaIs there anybody in the world Does North Korea take away rights from women? North Korea takes away rights from everybody. Didn't you say you wanted to move And women? Well, everyone. It's an equal

Andrew Wilsonopportunity oppressor. Sure, yes. So, the case is is like, if South Korean men go in there and put a stop to that [ __ ] should the South Korean women at least thank them?

NaimaThe South Korean Are the North Korean women the North Korean women? Should they at least thank them? I mean, North Korea is not a Are human beings Are the women there not people? Shouldn't they thank them? is not in a state that is oppressing based on

Naimagender. So, should they thank him or not? If South Korea decided to come in to North Korea, wage war to liberate the North Korean people, and they wanted this, then yeah, the entirety of North

Andrew WilsonKorea should probably thank South Korea for being liberated. Okay, got it. So, the only qualm that you have here is that you shouldn't thank Christians because we follow our ethics, but you should thank secularists because they

Naimahave no ethics and just don't do it anyway. But, the difference is the doing versus not doing. Like, Andrew, in North Korea, the South Koreans would have to actually go to war, fight, and potentially die for the freedom of

Naimaanother person. But, here, all you have to do is just not murder women. Like, how hard is that to just not murder women? Yes, it is. Why should I thank you for doing nothing? Why should I thank men for doing

Naimanothing? But, at any time we want, we could collectively do all kind of horrible things. Like, why do you think you should deserve a treat for doing the bare [ __ ] minimum in society? I mean, anyone could abuse their child. Do you think that children every day should wake up and thank their parents?

NaimaThank you for not abusing and killing me, parents. I think that they should be grateful to their parents, yeah. I mean, everyone should be grateful to a good parent, but you really think that we like as a society haven't advanced past the point

Naimawhere you should thank your parents for not abusing you? I mean, we should thank your parents if they're nice parents, but not Andrew. You should thank your parents because they're nice nice parents, but

Naimanot because every day they choose not to abuse you. Again, these are the bare minimums. Like, it's the not Like, it's just not doing something. It's funny to me because like, there's such a lack of

Andrew Wilsoncogency here. You say that you should thank secular men, right? And you should thank them because they're following natural law. I don't think you should thank secular men. You literally just

Andrew Wilsongot done saying you think we should thank secular men. Which is Which is your form of morality? Yeah, something like that. Then, why should we thank your form of morality for doing the bare minimum? You're just

Andrew Wilsonfollowing your own morals. What? Yeah, why would you thank men who are just following natural law, right? You just said I wouldn't. Hang on, you wouldn't? No, I wouldn't thank them.

NaimaYou said before you would you would. I would not thank men. I literally thanked natural law like 30 seconds ago, Andrew. Were you just not paying attention? So, then shouldn't you thank my God, then?

NaimaFor creating a moral system in which you decided you would murder people. we should thank natural law, shouldn't you thank my God? Well, I should, but I'm just not going to. Okay. So, you're just a contradiction machine.

NaimaGot it. I just don't agree that you just Andrew, Andrew, it's not a concession. You believe that you deserve a pat on the [ __ ] back for doing nothing. And I'm

Naimasaying I don't believe you do. If anyone does, it's God or natural law or the concept of morality. Whatever it is that prevents you from doing horrible things to other people. But you don't deserve a

Naimacookie for sitting on your couch. Like why do you think that? Every day we could all go out and choose to commit an act of violence and we don't. You're not special for that. >> I know. You're not. Okay, then why do you think you deserve a thank you?

Andrew Wilson>> close now? Sure. >> Okay, great. So now that you're all done prattling, so you just made the concession, you literally just made multiple concessions there that you don't even know yet you made. The first one that you made is, well, I'm not going to thank your God even though he's

Andrew Wilsonresponsible for this, but you should thank natural law, the moral system that I utilize, which I incoherent, I've never explained, for why it is that secular men aren't. And it's like that's the that's the most hilarious contradiction I've heard this

Andrew Wilsonentire debate. And on top of that, it's like, look, yeah, do I think that women should probably be just a little bit grateful that considering that women are enslaved on half of planet Earth or at least have way less rights to the point

Andrew Wilsonwhere you would consider them enslaved to at least acknowledge that men could do this and are benevolent and don't and should be thankful for it, yeah. But you know what? You don't have to. What you can do instead is you can be like, you know what? I'm a big strong woman and

Andrew Wilsonall women are super strong and we're awesome. And so here's the thing, [ __ ] men. Who care? They don't get a cookie. That's the least that they should do. But none of that refutes Force's doctrine and none of that shows how it is that men couldn't do this and why it

Brian Atlasis that you shouldn't actually be kind of thankful that they don't or at least perceive them as being benevolent. >> So what about you, Andrew? Do you think you should thank >> me? Do you think that you >> your close, by the way? >> No, she always interrupts every time I'm

Andrew Wilsontalking. A lot. Is this the close just on this prompter or your total close? Yes, my total close. Total close, okay. Yeah, so not only that, your your massive contradictions on on morality

Andrew Wilsonwere so absurd, I don't even think you realize how bad it was. You have a circular argument that we went over multiple times and you just never got that if it no matter what you

Andrew Wilsonwere reduced to, you just came back to your own preference. It was completely circular just over and over and over again. I even demonstrated this just by presenting as an anti-moralist

Andrew WilsonChristian, an anti-moral realist Christian. In order to say, well, mine's just preference. And you spent almost 50 minutes arguing against your own moral

Andrew Wilsonsystem because you didn't even understand what was being said. And so it's laughable to me that as we the debate continued and we got into other moral predictors and we got into things

Andrew Wilsonabout feminism, you contradicted thing after thing after thing after thing after thing. You just contradicted yourself on natural law. You contradicted yourself on natural law again when you said you shouldn't appeal

Andrew Wilsonto my God and be grateful, but we should appeal to your moral system be grateful. You contradicted yourself on your definition of slavery when you said indentured servitude you and then said it wasn't. You contradicted yourself literally, I don't know, 20 minutes ago

Andrew Wilsonwhen you gave a definition for natural law and said it's a collective belief and then it literally 1 minute later said, no, it's not collective belief. You're a contradiction machine. You have

Andrew Wilsonno coherent no coherency at all in your world view. And it was completely crushed. Mine stood up to scrutiny fine. You didn't even understand what I was saying half the time.

Andrew WilsonIt's like it's very frustrating, but this was like, look, your first showing, I think you got away with it because of the jar thing, but like this was terrible. You just got absolutely decimated this [ __ ] debate. It was bad.

Andrew Wilson>> said that last time. You did it well you did then, too. There was an obfuscation you had then that's not there this time. Um Are you you done with your close, Andrew? >> Yeah, I'm done. Okay. Okay,

Brian Atlasum hold on. Give me 1 second. >> [sighs] >> While while she's collecting her thoughts, guys, uh we'll do a Q&A session right after then we're going to wrap the debate, so go ahead. >> Okay,

Naimaum this debate I think was a very interesting. Now first I just want to respond to your final claims on our last prompt and then get into um my actual closing statement. So

NaimaWait, what? I Well, you finished your claim on the final prompt and then get into >> Yeah, you can include it in you can include it in your close. >> That's what I'm saying. All right, so

NaimaFirst of all, Andrew, I don't really think anyone should thank anything for just choosing not to commit an act of harm. And if we should, then I think that you should thank every man that's stronger

Naimathan you for not choosing to, you know, bend you over and rape you cuz that's something you would have to be subjected to, too, under your own Force's doctrine. As a man who physically could not open a jar of olives, you're also

Naimaputting yourself at risk of being overpowered by other men and then therefore losing rights that I guess you don't believe exist. Now, um I guess my issue with Andrew's

Naimadebate style is that he only uses descriptive arguments. He wants to argue over semantics. I think collectively we took about 3 hours today arguing, well,

Naimathe debate was 3 hours, so I'll say 2 and 1/2, arguing solely over semantics. And the I think the real reason why you do this is because you refuse to defend

Naimayour positions. You don't want to have to stand up to any scrutiny because you refuse to present your arguments. And the few times you did, you ended up

Naimajustifying slavery and genocide, which to me is kind of one of the most disgusting things I've heard in a debate. I think that generally you are confused

Naimaon maybe the reason you want to debate definitions so frequently is because you're confused on them. You don't really understand what slavery is. You don't really understand what feminism is. You don't really understand what rights are. You don't really understand

NaimaWe didn't get to democracy, but what democracy is. And instead, you simply want to ask over and over the same four questions to try and create a gotcha moment that won't exist.

NaimaAnd you know, I guess this was an interesting social experiment in how much two people can annoy each other. Um and the answer is a lot, but I had a good time. Okay, I'm done. Does that conclude your

Brian Atlasclosing statement? >> Yes. Okay, we have two chats. If any of you want to get them in, uh Oh, oh, it's going to be it's going to be what's his name? Uh $199 Q&A. Final call on this.

SPEAKER_02If you want, we have a few minutes here at the end. Final call if you want to get some in. Norris donated $200. >> Thank you, man. Rights are entitlements absent duty. Privileges are entitlements

SPEAKER_02under condition. Aren't US citizens without rights since they can be taken by judicial system? Let's make bill of privileges. W. Breedlove.

SPEAKER_02Uh Big J. Norris, thank you for that statement. We have Pastie George here. >> from the government of Canada. Oh my god, it's the same Pastie George donated $200.04.

SPEAKER_02To Brown Locks, please elaborate on why men should be thankful to women. Why should we be grateful to just our mothers for giving birth to us? Oh, um

NaimaPastie, I'm not saying that men should be grateful to women. I'm saying that under Andrew's belief that women should thank all men for choosing not to harm them, then weak men should thank

Naimastronger men for choosing not to harm them as well. Because there are men who are also in a position of vulnerability against physical harm. And if a man

Naimachooses to not do the absolute bare minimum and commit an act of harm against another man, I mean, I don't believe that they should have to be thanked, but Andrew does, so.

Brian AtlasAnyway. All right, we have hold on. I'll just read this from Pelagic. Typical of a narcissist to double down on the gaslighting and ad hominem attacks when they are getting smoked.

Brian AtlasShe has said nothing and made no point, just another manipulative woman. I didn't ad hominem Andrew a single time, but okay. All right.

Brian AtlasUh it looks Oh, we have hold on. I believe that's it. If any others trickle in, I'll be sure to uh get it. But

Brian Atlasuh hold on. >> [sighs] >> Let's see. No, I'll give one or two more minutes to to allow for a few more Q&As, otherwise uh we'll get this wrapped up.

Andrew WilsonUm Andrew, would you like to uh plug anything here at the end? And then Naima, I'll give you a chance, too, if you want to. Yeah, I've got Debacle coming up. Hope to see everybody there. It's the 15th and 16th. It's going to be a huge event.

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