Feral Attacker & 140 IQ Girl CRASH The Debate?! Andrew & Brian vs. Feminists! | Whatever Debates #13

Date: 2025-03-19

Duration: 5h 14m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSavannah (Tucson)>

AAndrew Wilson >

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_05Jen Stone(guest)

SPEAKER_06Savannah (Tucson)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Honey(guest)

SPEAKER_09Priscilla(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces debate: Andrew Wilson, Savannah, Honey

Key MomentAndrew proposes shoot-to-kill border deterrence as deterrent

Key MomentPriscilla returns as surprise redemption guest. Apologizes to Brian but not Andrew.

Key MomentRachel Wilson calls in via Discord to confront Priscilla. 'Stay away from Andrew.' 'Ring up groceries.'

Topics Discussed

Immigration and Deportation

Savannah's empathy vs Andrew's strict enforcement including shoot-to-kill deterrence.

Sex Work Safety

Honey's legal brothel work discussed. Andrew: banning sex work is only 100% protection.

Priscilla Redemption/Confrontation

Priscilla returns. Back-and-forth on prior incident. Rachel Wilson calls in to confront her.

Bear vs Man

Andrew extends analogy to racial crime statistics.

Transcript

Page 2 of 6

Andrew Wilsonthat is part of the nature of that work. Whereas for most other types of work, um on camera, film, things like this, that is not the case. How is this different

Andrew Wilsonthough? Because this is not designed to seduce. This is not designed to introduce the parasocial aspect in. It's much more straightforward. So like uh assume a Hollywood actor is really

Andrew Wilsonstraightforward too. I'm providing you entertainment. I get paid, right? I'm not really here to I'm I am trying to elicit emotions in you, but the emotions

Andrew Wilsonaren't specifically the idea of I'm seducing you and creating the context that there's something here between us. That's that's the feeling I'm trying to

Andrew Wilsonintroduce. Like in your sex work, for instance, um do you ever moan really loud? Do you ever pretend that you're really into it when you're not? Do you ever, you know, the answer is likely

Honeyyes, right? I actually um do a lot of different kinds of services that actually lean far

Honeymore towards um trying to be careful with my wording. Um kink centered I would say. Sure. Um it's far less of you know the standard

Andrew Wilsonstereotypical for me personally. But are you pretending on purpose to enjoy things maybe you don't enjoy? you're pretending to be into those things when you're not really into them because you're trying to elicit a

Honeyresponse from the person they're that gives into whatever their fantasy is. Right. Um me personally, no. Because I don't offer any kind of service that I

Honeywouldn't enjoy delivering on. Um I do have that luxury. I don't speak for everyone. I only speak for myself. So you've never pretended to be more into it than you're not than you are. I have

Andrew Wilsonto. Oh, okay. Well, you would agree though that at least in your industry that women are going to be moaning. They're going to be like screaming at the top of their lungs. They're going to be doing things like this even though

Andrew Wilsonthey ordinarily Yeah. I'm sure it happens with you too whether you admit it or not. But that aside, yeah. Yeah. Coming Yeah. Coming back to this, the idea here is that you're specifically

Andrew Wilsontrying to get those responses, right? whereas I think that other forms of entertainment specifically are not trying to develop the parasocial aspect.

Savannah (Tucson)I can I totally agree uh about the safetiness of it but um I think taking measures to make sure that in case anything happens you can protect

Savannah (Tucson)yourself. I think um I mean whether regardless of if I did sex work or not I would want to have that protection. Yeah. So, um I don't feel any less safe

Andrew Wilsondoing it, but I uh but I get to be at home. So, yeah. Yeah. But I mean you these are well like these are tiered arguments, right? So,

Andrew Wilsonthe first tier is the safety of even the prostitute in this case, right? And of the John are paramount. We got the we have the overarching STDs which are in this industry which including over fan

Andrew Wilsononly fans have an over representation of STDs cons uh against the general public. Why? Because they do BG GG content, right? And often times they're not as rigorously even tested as the people in

Andrew Wilsonthe corn industry are when they do that sort of content. So uh then we have to compete with that with the uh amount of STDs that come in. Then we have to deal with the trafficking that comes in with

Andrew Wilsonthis. And then all I mean the list just is like endless of the societal ills that come with sex work. Whereas banning it, what really what bad happens when we

Savannah (Tucson)ban this that there's a black market potentially that opens up for it. Well, I think I I think South Korea is a good example of what happens when you do ban

Savannah (Tucson)porn. It's not really banned there. I know officially it is, but it's not actually. But I think they they have higher rates of uh rape and sexual assault and they also have the law there

Andrew Wilsonthan than what the United States. Definitely not. Okay. Yeah, definitely not. I mean I do we can I mean I could be wrong. I'm willing to concede if I'm wrong because we're talking about stats off the top of

Andrew Wilsonour head, but can you look at the It's hard to things up. Yeah, I see. I see. Okay. I'm willing to concede if I'm wrong on that, but I would find it like kind of stunning if it was the case or

Andrew Wilsonif that that was the case and there wasn't at least underlying reasons for it that aren't as obvious as what you're portraying. Right. Okay. So, but yeah, it is true that in South Korea it is

Andrew Wilsonbanned, but it's not IP banned really, right? So, people can still access it when they want. It's a very westernized nation, right? And and I would even argue that absent feminism and the the

Andrew Wilsonvarious herbivore movements that are going on in these Asian nations, what do they call it now? Not herbivore. The um isn't that the term herbivore? Well, that's for Japan. But they whatever

Andrew Wilsonwhere women are checking out and men are checking out of the Department of Relationship period because they don't want to be with these feminists. That you probably wouldn't see that sort. Yeah. You probably Yeah. Yeah. There you

Andrew Wilsongo. that you probably wouldn't see that sort of consumption um you know even the IP ban consumption you probably wouldn't see that. So there's other things that are going on in South Korea which I

Andrew Wilsonwould contribute to uh other crises which are happening there not not because of not just corn being banned. Yeah. That's actually a very popular position there by the way to keep it banned like people reintroduce trying to

Savannah (Tucson)get it uh approved again and it just gets smacked down every time. So yeah, I think that there could be uh some regulations when it comes to uh corn in

Andrew WilsonAmerica. Um okay. Well, maybe we can get agreement then. Okay. So maybe we can find some agreement here. Here's here's my perfect compromise plan, right?

Andrew WilsonYou have to show ID. Yeah. You have to upload ID in order to get on a corn website. I agree. Have to. I agree. Okay. Period. And uh it needs to there

Savannah (Tucson)needs to be some sort of verification there for that. Yeah. You agree with that? Yeah, I do agree with that. What do you think will happen to the market though? Well, the the thing is that uh Only Fans already does that. So, nobody

Savannah (Tucson)can get on to my Only Fans unless they upload their ID that says that they're 18 plus. So, um but as for Pornhub and that I I don't know. I've I've the age

Andrew Wilsonthe next thing I would implement is that at the very least the age of sex work needs to start at 26. 26. Yeah. So if we began alcohol if we if we raise the age

Andrew Wilsonof alcohol to 21. This is arbitrary. But we just think well you're probably not at responsible enough to have a drink or a cigarette until you're 21. We can kind of arbitrarily set it forward from

Andrew Wilsonthere. Right. I think that this is a huge decision that 18, 19, 20, 21 year olds probably shouldn't make. So, let's make it 26. Okay. Would that work? Um,

Savannah (Tucson)no. No. Not going to like that part. Well, I I see where you're coming from, but I um I do think when it comes to stuff like Only Fans like that has not

Savannah (Tucson)been detrimental to my career, my schooling or anything. Uh and I started that when I was um 20 or 21. Yeah, but it's not about you. Well, yeah, but

Andrew Wilsonobviously this is it affects you. My example, but it affects me. It affects him. It affects everybody, right? All societal ripples are that way. So, right, the question is is like should I

Andrew Wilsonhave a say? Yes. And so my say is is like if we can't outright ban it, which I would prefer, right? then we can set in such rigors to it that it greatly

Savannah (Tucson)reduces the consumption of it. Okay. I I agree with the ID verification. Mhm. But not the age going up. No, I but I I do

Savannah (Tucson)see where you're coming from though. Um you know, people that get into it the day they turn 18, it's Yeah. Yeah. No problem. Um,

Andrew Wilsonbut you know, I just people are they are allowed to make their own choices and it is what it is, you know. No, we don't let people make their own choices if they're bad for society. We we regulate

Savannah (Tucson)all the time. Okay. I just I don't see that. I don't see a 21-year-old making contact. I don't see that. If you knew a product was poisonous, but it

Andrew Wilsonjust killed a person slowly over time. alcohol, right? Well, if sure, let's even take that. Okay. Right. If if your like 18-year-old son wanted alcohol,

Savannah (Tucson)would you tell him he should have it? Yeah, he can have a little I mean, yeah, you can have the nonpoisonous dose, right? Well, you can have a beer. Well, well, sure. But this is the my rebuttal

Savannah (Tucson)for this is that every person that consumes corn, they have the responsibility to consume it in a decent amount. They totally their responsibility to not get corn rot.

Andrew WilsonYeah. But here's the thing that's funny. It's like I can agree with you and at the same time still be right. So I I'll explain. So I agree with you that the consumer also has responsibility just like the producer, right? But which

Savannah (Tucson)one's way more easy to regulate? The millions of consumers or the few producers? Right. I mean that's that's true, but it's it's all the same with alcohol

Savannah (Tucson)though. I know people Mhm. are alcoholics, but it's it's their fault. You know, we're not going to ban alcohol because But what happens? But what do we see with alcohol? Well, what happens? We see national campaigns everywhere. Don't

Andrew Wilsondrink and drive. Don't consume this. This is poisonous. This is bad for you. We're not allowed to advertise it on television. You're not allowed to, you know what I mean? You can't advertise it here. You can't put it on YouTube. You

Andrew Wilsoncan't, you know what I mean? There's all sorts of various things. Um, and all sorts of restrictions and massive national campaigns. You have mothers against drunk driving. The penalties for drunk driving are through the roof. You know what I mean? You get additional

Andrew Wilsonpenalties you wouldn't even get if you were perhaps stoned or something else in certain states, right? We have huge campaigns against this. Where's that for corn? Nowhere. The the examples that

Andrew Wilsonyou're bringing up, drinking and driving, people do die from that. Um, people die from this as well. I just gave you an example of a person who had a parasocial relationship. He do off his

Andrew Wilsonentire family. But not only that, um these behaviors ultimately aren't just for drinking and driving. The national campaigns against the behavior themselves. Drinking is not great,

Andrew Wilsonright? It's not something there. There's open container laws everywhere. Like everything that you see in society is is stigmatizing alcohol except in a small case use specific type of thing. You

Andrew Wilsonknow what I mean? And that's at the national level. Now, maybe there would be a good point from prostitutes if they were like, "Look, this is stigmatized at the national level and people still want to do it. At least there would be some

Andrew Wilsonresistance, but it's like it's just glorified. Where is the state glorifying alcohol? Nowhere. Well, I don't know if I would say that it's glorified. I think it's heavily censored." Like, I mean,

Savannah (Tucson)it's totally glorified. You can't just You can't have people making corn on the side of the road. Like, you that's not allowed. That's not legal. Like I there

Andrew Wilsonare there are things put in place. Yeah. There's there's there's restrictions which existed pre the corn industry for public decency. That's true. But when you're talking about what are we doing

Andrew Wilsonon a societal level to push back against it. Societies use stigmatization and things like this in order to push out behavior that we don't like. We do this at a national level all the time. So if you want to see more

Andrew WilsonLGBTQ people, what do you do? You have LGBTQ awareness month and you have all sorts of like pro propaganda or that again negative connotation on the word propaganda but everybody knows what the word means, right? You would have tons

Andrew Wilsonof propaganda towards LGBTQ. You'd have tons of propaganda towards those things. Reinforcing that they're good. They're good. This is good. We want more of this. Good, good, good, good. You see it all over the news. It's good. It's good.

Andrew WilsonThat helps propagate that into the ethos is this is behavior which we consider to be acceptable and decent and we want to see more of it. The opposition to that

Andrew Wilsonwould be if you had like pro- family and pro- you know nuclear family and and pro-atriarchy propaganda or stuff like this, right? You'd see a lot more of

Andrew Wilsonthat. So, uh we adjust our conditionals based on uh what we see as as stigmatization or not. When I when I look at alcohol, it seems like everything moves towards stigmatization.

Brian Atlaseverything moves towards don't be a drunk, don't be doing this. This is not good. Right. I have to read a couple chats. So, we

Brian Atlashave uh guys, if you want read is 100, TTS is 200. Uh Spawny, we do these at intervals. Um but I appreciate your

Brian Atlasmessage. Yours is coming up first. Okay, Spawny. All right. CBP1 app was allowing illegals to bypass showing up at the border and flown in directly into the

Brian Atlascountry. The dumb was worried by dumb. Oh, Biden was worried about the border optics. That is how Haitians overran Ohio and ate cats and

Brian Atlasdogs. All right. Thank you for that, Spawny. Appreciate it. We have a super chat here from uh Kenneth Gudro. Can I have you read the super chat for me?

Savannah (Tucson)Me? Yeah. Yeah. From the Crucible here. Brian, can I get a shout out to my son Maverick? Andrew loved seeing you on Piers Morgan. Sorry, off topic

Brian Atlashere. Respect. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Uh, thank you, Kenneth, for the super chat. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Uh,

Brian Atlaswell, I shout out to uh Kenneth, his son. Uh, let's see. I'll do it into this camera. Yo, Maverick, you're a legend. Thank you, man. Uh, and your dad's a legend, too. Kenneth, you're also legend. Glad you guys uh enjoyed the

Savannah (Tucson)show. Thank you. Uh, could you read this one from Nathan? Hey, Brian. This is my first time super chatting. Thank you, Nathan. Big fan of the show and of you, Andrew, Rachel, and Jake the Rattlesnake. Keep doing what you're

Andrew Wilsondoing. Everybody there is good except for Jake. He's scum. Oh, wow. And uh he's the And he's Australian. Well, he's the fake king of Australia. Younger. He usurped the title from his brother who was much more based than he is in

Brian Atlaseverybody. Okay, there you go. Well, uh, Kenneth and Nathan, thank you guys for these super chats. And let me see if there's No. Okay, we're good on that.

Brian AtlasYou know what, chat? Um, me and Andrew were [Music] uh do you guys want somebody to crash the stream? So,

Brian Atlasuh, we were going to try to do this Thursday, but unfortunately we we were going to just have to postpone it. But, uh, since we have a bit of time tonight, do you guys remember? Well, of course

Brian Atlasyou remember uh P Priscilla, the girl who attacked Andrew. We were going to do I I'll just spoil it. So on third, what we were

Brian Atlasgoing to do was going to be a tag team 2v2. Me and Andrew, this was going to be a super DJ panel. Uh me and Andrew and

Brian AtlasDesiree. Me and Andrew, Desiree, and Priscilla. That would have been bonkers. Yeah. Uh, I don't know what what you even call that. A royal rumble or

Brian Atlassomething. Call that divine punishment. Something like that. Um, but uh Desire is in LA, but Priscilla's in Santa Barbara. So, chat, do you want to This is a redemption episode for

Brian AtlasPriscilla. You want her to come and crash and then we'll have her join the panel and uh what do you think, chat? But I think uh in order to do that, Andrew, do we need a champagne pop or what do you think? I think we should get

Brian Atlasone. At least one. at least one champagne pop. The chat is mixed. So, I'm reading the chat now. They're saying, "Hell no." Don't listen to him at all. Yes. Yes. No. Yes. No. It's not

Brian AtlasIt's not a democracy. No. Yes. Yes. No. It's not a democracy. Um Well, guys, so it wouldn't be Desiree tonight, uh but

Brian Atlasit would be Priscilla. So, and then there's also the girl with uh the the with the dyslexia, the girl who was sitting right

Brian Atlasthere on last episode. We She's also still in town, so maybe we could have her Lord have her. What do you think, chat? Should should we have Priscilla? And then what was her name? The What was

Brian Atlasthe girl? Jen. Should we have her just IQ of like 140? The 140 IQ. Maybe we can have her. Uh, but we're going to need a champagne pop. Doesn't have to be crystalall, just regular champagne pop.

Brian AtlasI think we're going to need a champagne pop for that one. So, if you want for if you want to see a

Brian Atlasconfrontation, us confront Priscilla on her assault of Andrew of her. You know, that's pretty bad. Oh, pretty bad. Oh,

Brian Atlaspretty awful. for Champagne Pop. We will bring Priscilla here right now and spice up the tonight's show a little bit. Uh

Savannah (Tucson)so yeah. Um Spyro Spiro, can I have you read this one for me? Uh Sav, speaking of immigration, there's one country that will never ever ever be able to send

Brian Atlasillegal immigrants Australia because it's not real. Correct. Rattlesnake. Rattlesnake in shambles. Shambles. All right. Thank you, Spyro.

Savannah (Tucson)Lying round earthers. Uh, can you read this one, too? He sent in another one. Uh, speaking of immigration, I'm surprised Brixen is against it. Think of all the illegals that could make

Brian Atlasburritos for him under the table. So, I'm actually, listen, Andrew is not going to like me for that. Or maybe I don't know. I'll know his position on this. I am in favor of illegal

Brian Atlasimmigration as follows. women between the ages of 18 and

Brian Atlas29 who are uh who are athletes, gymnasts, pull vters, swimmers, nuts. I won't accept softball

Brian Atlasplayers from other countries, but I will accept What about yoga enthusiasts? I will accept yoga enthusiasts, but uh you know track and field is acceptable. Not the long distance chips. most the most

Brian Atlasdegenerate immigration policy I've ever heard. What are you talking about? They're not sex workers, Andrew. They're they're athletes. Uhhuh. Just Just bring them all in. Female illegal immigrant athletes. I'll accept from all uh

Brian AtlasEastern Europe would be good. Some Eastern European gymnasts. Very fit. Um I will accept from you know what we we're going

Brian Atlasto prioritize uh Eastern European. We're going to Asian countries, Western. We can even Hey, Western European. Why not? I know what you're thinking. I can see it in your eyes. You're thinking that's

Brian Atlasracist. No, it's not. He He specifically ruled out Western Europe. Specifically ruled it out. That's not what I was thinking. I'm okay with Western Europe, but Eastern Europe

Brian Atlasfirst. Okay. And you're also okay with like Mexican chicks? Latin America acceptable. Okay. But the I prefer, you know, like let's start just just to make

Brian Atlasthings a bit more fair, the like the South American first. Well, you want Eastern European first, right? Because the South American South

Brian AtlasAmericans are already coming in droves if Yeah. So, so we want to make it fair, right? I'm saying like if if Mexico is Central America, right? Is it that's or is it part of North

Brian AtlasAmerica? Is wait is Mexico Central America or North America? What isn't it? Central America. I can't

Brian Atlastell if nobody's answering. No, it's definitely North Mexico's North America. Wait, hold on. Let me Google. It's North America. No, I know where Mexico is. I just don't know if it's categorized as

Brian AtlasCentral America. Is Is Mexico still going to be a part of one of the two continents? Right. It is cons. It is North America. Yeah, it's North America.

Brian AtlasIt's not I know it's not South America, but I was wondering if it was the distinction if it was Central America because Central America you got like Costa Rica, Nicaragua, uh

Brian AtlasPanama, Guatemala. What's the other one? Or uh I'm I'm terrible with geography, man. I wouldn't I would Honduras. El Salvador.

Brian AtlasThat's like s Okay. Okay. That's gonna get clipped. So, um, yeah, but I'm thinking like Argentina. I'm thinking like Argentina.

Brian AtlasLet's bring some gymnasts pvault like Argentinian gymnasts and then we move our way up. We get to like Costa Rica. We can bring then we can get to Mexico

Brian Atlaswith their ath female, sorry, female only athletes and gymnasts and so forth. Makes sense. Uh, so there's that. Okay,

Brian Atlaslet's see if there's uh Okay, so guys, uh really quick, read 100, TTS 200. If you want Priscilla, if you want her to come, we're gonna we're gonna have a

Brian Atlashave a uh a sit down with her. We're going to have a combo. Uh sh We got sh We need a champagne pop for that. Like the video. Like the video, guys.

Brian Atlastwitch.tv whatever. Discord.gg whatever. Uh and then uh let's see here. You don't think Brian's too mean to the girls on the show? They love the show. They're big fans. I

Savannah (Tucson)think I it does depend on uh if they're mean to him. That's true. Which I guess I've only seen clips of like them yelling at each other, so I was like, "Ah, he sucks, you know?" Well, I've noticed this I've noticed this really

Andrew Wilsonfunny thing, right? So, um I've been working in industrial circles my whole adult life, right? So, when I go in to do a job, that's just

Andrew Wilsonwhat I'm used to. So Brian, you'll see Brian, he kind of very sharp with his language. Like, can you be quiet right now because we're doing X, right? Things like this for me, right? I just think of it as

Andrew Wilsonthis guy is the foreman. He's doing what he's supposed to be doing. You know what I mean? Right. And I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. I never took But I've noticed that women have a really hard time with that. Well, I know you're

Savannah (Tucson)going to hate it, but it's it's tone policing. It really is. Totally. It's the way it's the way you say it. If you say it with like a little bit of oomph. Do you think that that could be

Andrew Wilsonlike possibly what the pay gap is? The gender pay gap is because women can't handle tone. Like they just can't handle it. And so employers employers are like, you know, I think we're just going to hire men for this

Andrew Wilsonand pay them more and incentivize them because then I can talk to them how I need to talk to them without them like crying and whining about tone. Totally. That's what I think. Okay. I'm memeing. I don't really think

Brian Atlasthat, but I just think it's funny. I just think it's funny. Yeah. Uh, you got anything for us? You got Cuz you're like DM'd us. I want to be her debate

Honeypartner. Waiting for a little I felt like it would be a little bit unfair for her to be on here by herself. Yes, that's true. Well, originally it was just going to be a one v one, so I

Honeydoubled it up because yell at him. I offered to and you never responded. Wait, what? I said we could yell at each

Honeyother if you want, but I'm not just going to do that for no reason. Wait, I'm not sure what you're talking about. When I asked for the address and I was like, "Also, we can yell at each

Brian Atlasother if you want. Like we can have beef for entertainment purposes. We don't stage stuff. All the beef is natural. Okay. But originally you were like, "Hey, I want to be her debate partner.

HoneyWhat do you want to debate?" She's good with religion. She knows a lot about Yeah. I'm not really sure how the structure works given I could only watch so many episodes at a time before getting here. So, I'm just kind of

Andrew Wilsonwaiting to be prompted. Yeah. In this format, it's open. It's an open debate because like during a panel it's not because there's so many people and you're getting to, you know, and and

Andrew Wilsonit's not even designed necessarily to to be a debate. There's going to be some debate that happens, but it's not always designed for debate at all. It's just designed for people. Most of the clips I've seen, it was with the panel. So, I

Honeythink I got a little confused and I don't want to interrupt anyone either. Um, like letting your conversation Yeah, that was fine. I didn't feel the need to butt in on that because I I felt a lot

Savannah (Tucson)of good things were being said. So yeah. Is religion something we can discuss or is that boring for you guys? We don't have I'm not a religious debater. Andrew is probably a bit more wellversed in

Honeythat. What are your criticisms of religion? You said it was delusional. Um yeah, I would definitely say so. I think it is wildly illogical to me from

Honeymy perspective. Um I don't understand personally why um a god that seems to

Honeyglorify suffering to earn peace and eternal life. Um you know why what's deserving of worship? What's but this is

Andrew Wilsona problem is like you use religious terms in order to uh criticize religion. Like when you say say words like suffering, how do you account for suffering? Suffering just means

Andrew Wilsonthat you don't like. That's it. That's all suffering means. I can narrow it down a little bit. I mean, if I You're going to narrow You will, but you're just going to narrow it down to subjective experiences I don't like or

Andrew Wilsondon't prefer. I think I think And if you if you if that's not what it narrows down to, I'm going to be stunned. But I'm going to let you narrow it down. So, what is suffering?

HoneyI would say the the suffering I was more referring to would be suffering that I believe is more unjust. Not just because

Honeysomeone made a bad decision or messed up. I'm more referring to um children and cancer and horrific things like

Honeythat. Um, the most common thing that I've ever been told is everything happens for a reason and if this terrible thing happens to this young

Honeychild, leukemia, things like that, um, that it was all God's will. And I I personally don't understand that whatsoever because what has such a young

Andrew Wilsonchild done to deserve any kind of That's really strange that you you're in uh you you were raised Catholic. Yes. And they told you it's in God's will. Yes. That

Andrew Wilsonpeople get cancer. It's all part of God's plan. Oh, I see. Okay. Well, the problem is again, so all of the criticisms that you would

Andrew Wilsoncome up with for religion, right? You have to account for all of them. So when you say words like just, it's loaded. Like what is justice? Well, I can give you two forms of justice. There's a

Andrew WilsonChristian form of justice you're probably more used to. like empathy. Oh, you came in and you stole a bunch of from my house. Is it then just for me to go and steal a bunch of from

Andrew Wilsonyour house? No. No. That's really weird though because I can give you a completely alternative view of justice that seems like it's totally within the confines of reason. If you steal from my house for

Andrew Wilsonme to be able to steal from yours, that seems completely within the line of reason. Seems totally logical to me. There's nothing illogical about it. There's no violations of the laws of

Honeylogic, right? It's well within reason. What's the problem? The problem is is you just don't prefer that kind of justice, right? Sure. I'm also not 100%

Honeyclear on some of the differences between Catholic and Christian teachings. You know, I can say Catholics are Christians. I would say I've been told by a few people that there's like some different teachings or

Andrew Wilsonhow they're interpreted personally. So totally people will not consider them to be Christians. Yes, that's true. Non-denom. So I would just largely chop

Andrew Wilsonit up to three. There'd be I chop it up this way. Okay. Most Orthodox would just say everything that's not orthodox is Protestant. But I just chop it up to

Andrew Wilsonthere is Protestantism. These are the all of the branches of the of Christianity which came from Martin Luther after the schism. And then there's Catholicism which came from Orthodoxy after the schism. Then there's

Savannah (Tucson)Orthodoxy, the original church of Christ. So that's how I would view it. Right. So how do you uh I mean I've I've read most of the Old Testament. I

Savannah (Tucson)haven't finished it. Um some of the new one, but when it comes to science and religion, I know that's always like such a an annoying topic, but how do you justify the

Andrew WilsonBible through that? Well, science doesn't make science can't make claims about the metaphysical. Like, science science can't tell you if there there

Andrew Wilsonare not ghosts. No, it can only it can only test whether or not there are or not ghosts here. Right. But but it's not going to make ought claims, right? It's

Andrew Wilsonnot going to make any It just doesn't test for that. So, right. If if I wanted so so if you're doing a scientific experiment, it's got to be falsifiable, right? That's what makes it so the thing

Andrew Wilsonis is um we're going to start with an observation. In this case, you're going to observe you think there's a ghost. Let's say you think there's one, right? So then your hypothesis is like, I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow, uh there's an ethereal realm and this person hasn't passed on yet, right? Something like this. And then you're going to conduct an experiment. Let's say you go and you get equipment and you come up with electronic voice

Andrew Wilsonphenomenon, right? And you're trying to catch the spirit's voice on that or some right? So, you can even say like ghost hunting could be a rigorous scientific endeavor. It doesn't sound like one, though, does it? You know what

Savannah (Tucson)I mean? It's it's it's not really designed to to answer those kinds of questions. That's not what it's there to do. I just mean in terms of like it says

Savannah (Tucson)the Earth was created 6,500 years ago or something. M um well that's young earth creationism but the thing is part of the

Andrew Wilsonthing is is like uh there are people who fight over young earth or old old earth creation. I've always considered it to be a silly fight to have because it really has nothing to do with the with

Andrew Wilsonthe point. So uh the Bible warns us not to uh adhere to endless genealogies so that we don't get bogged down in nonsensical questions like that. Right? It's just not that important from the

Savannah (Tucson)Christian purview whether the earth is 6,000 years old or not. Well, maybe not. But the point is that it is older than 6,000 years. So there there is really no

Savannah (Tucson)argument when it comes to that, which is just one example of something in the Bible that I mean when they wrote it, they had no understanding of like geoysical

Andrew Wilsonsciences. So they well they you know they understood a lot more than people think. Like I hear people say they didn't really understand things very well, but and one of the things I hear all the time is like, "Well, they didn't understand where babies came from." It's

Andrew Wilsonlike, "But the whole Old Testament is filled with his seed will go into her." You know what I mean? And I'm like, "I think they kind of got where babies came from." But what about like when they

Savannah (Tucson)said that plant life was made before the sun? That was before we had an understanding of Genesis of photosynthesis. Yeah. I don't I don't know what the exact verbiage is in

Andrew WilsonGenesis for which which in the creation story which thing came first was plant life and then sun. Okay. Sure. I mean I don't know if that's the case. I'd have to pull up Genesis in

Andrew Wilsonorder for me to contextualize it. But I'm just saying like again these seem like the least important questions. Like let's even say that the accounting of that was was incorrect or just an allegory or something like that. I don't

Andrew Wilsonbelieve it was. I think it's both actually true and it's allegorically true and it is also um trying to convey like various lessons and this kind of

Andrew Wilsonthing. Right. Right. Um but let's just say for the sake of argument that that was not actually the case. How does that really contradict with Christian ethics

Savannah (Tucson)ultimately? I don't think it contradicts the ethics, but I think that it makes uh the Bible like illogical like it makes

Savannah (Tucson)it not as I I just I wouldn't trust it for Mhm. anything. I mean, mor morality

Andrew Wilsonwise, I think um that it had some good ideas, maybe the new one. Yeah, but when people are making moral claims about religion, they're not referencing

Andrew Wilsonwhether or not you think it's it's logical what what happened in Genesis or the parting of the sea or things like that. They're not that's not really what it's testing for when it comes to Christian ethics and Christians are

Andrew Wilsonmaking moral claims, right? So, what is it testing for? Well, Christians are are taking the virtues and the teachings of Jesus Christ and what they're doing is they're uh they're taking these these

Andrew Wilsonconcepts and combining them into an ethical system called Christian ethics. Okay? They're making ought prescriptions on that, right? So, even my argument would just always be because I'm not a Christian apologist. There's people way

Andrew Wilsonbetter at that than me for the accounting stories and things like that. But my argument is always just like even if morality is subjective, Christian ethics clearly has a ton of value. Even

Andrew Wilsonto consequentialists, it seems to have a ton of value. So even if it is the case that Christians were delusional, like you said, it seems like you would want them to be because they're they're super charitable. Super charitable. And they I

Andrew Wilsondon't think they're bad. Yeah. Exactly. And they keep society they keep society rolling, right? So even if it was the case that you thought they were living in a delusion, like who cares? From your view, it's like they should probably live in that delusion. It's probably

Savannah (Tucson)better that they live in that delusion. See, I think that uh I think that religion can be really good for people, give them a sense of purpose. Um, but I

Savannah (Tucson)think that something I've said before is that I think it's um it's like a betrayal of intellect to not let yourself question the how or the why of the creation of the universe. Yeah. But

Andrew WilsonI mean, in the skeptic tradition, you should be questioning skepticism, too. And the fact that you can't give an accounting for any of the things that you actually care about, like justice. Justice is your preference, right? Uh

Andrew Wilsonthe idea of justice is your preference. The idea of fairness is your preference. The idea of basically everything is your preference. Shouldn't you be skeptical of that too? I don't think you answered my question.

Savannah (Tucson)What's the question? Um, what was my question? I What did I say? I don't know. Oh, I I didn't I didn't I'm not trying to deflect from any questions.

Andrew WilsonNo, no, no. I lost it. Yeah. So, but I'm just saying that I think I think ultimately even from the viewpoint of the secularist or the subjective atheist

Andrew Wilsonor whatever the secular humanist that the most amount of value that people get is from Christianity anyway because they can give you objective unchanging accountings of things and you basically

Brian Atlasnecessarily say things need to change. Well, I think that it's just important. Sorry. Go ahead. Um, here before uh here Nick Mick, can you pull up the tweets?

Andrew WilsonWe're going to switch topics. What happened? Yeah, religion is not a thing that Yeah, we get bogged down on too much. Oh, okay. Pull up the tweets,

Brian AtlasMick. It should already be on it. Are you on the first tweet?

Brian AtlasWhat? Here, I'll switch it. But do you have it up on that monitor? Okay. Hit F11, please. Oh, did you control tab over? Uh oh.

Brian AtlasHuh? Mick, hit control shift

Brian Atlastab. What the is that? Hold on. actual Okay, I hit

Brian Atlascontrol. F11, please. Okay. Yes. My favorite place to see a man is on the floor in front of me. Great question, Andrew. So this is she actually responds uh to one of your

Brian Atlastweets. Andrew, should men be the ones sitting on the floor? Anna, you did? Oh. Uh and can Nick, can you click on what? Do you know what? Before we click on it, do you know what that tweet leads to?

Andrew WilsonNo. From Anna's, you sent this March 14th, like four days ago. Mhm. Is it to? No, that's a post that she had about um a woman or

Andrew Wilsonbeing on a train there. The woman was on a train. Yeah. So, yeah, I think bad on that. Yeah, I think it should be fine. Okay.

Brian AtlasCan you click it, Mick? Uh just so with the mouse click click on the tweet from Andrew.

Brian AtlasYeah. Yeah. Up. Yeah. Click that. Yeah. No, I Oh, I'm on a train and men are sitting in seats while women stand or sit on the floor. The declining birth

Brian Atlasrate is an mystery. Was that originally your tweet? No. No, that's a different Anna. Okay. Okay. Let's um do uh control tab over. Yes. I thought that that was a really stupid tweet.

Brian AtlasGrown men who pursued What's talking about? I don't know. I mean, is this just I was just Is this related to age gap? Like men who date like 19year-olds because they're technically teenagers.

HoneyAre you talking like about under like minors? Yeah, I would I would assume. I don't remember exactly what post this was on, but I'm talking about

Brian Atlaslike minors whenever I Next. We're going to get into Next. Uh, yes, my dad knows I do Only Fans. The Intels are going to hate this, but the loves me supports. Okay. Um,

Brian Atlasnext. These were just some of the tweets from last time. Who we talking about today? Men

Andrew Wilsonnext telling sex workers that nobody will love them because their job is so cruel. It's a job. I don't think that's cruel. I think like I don't think that's a cruelty. I think that that's a

Andrew Wilsondescriptive reality. I don't think it is. I think it is. Well, it's not nobody. I wouldn't put anything in a monolith. I would say less people. Okay, that's fair. That's a lot a

Andrew Wilsonsignificantly uh a significant amount of people less. So like I think that it'll limit the amount of romantic partners in the future that would be available to you. I think it would limit the types of family dynamics that you would normally be able to have with people that you

Andrew Wilsonwouldn't be able to have. It creates stresses on parents and it creates stresses on siblings and it creates stresses on all sorts of people. I agree. But to say they're unlovable, I don't agree with that. To say they're

Andrew Wilsonwhat? They're unlovable. I do not agree with that. Well, no. I mean, there's going to be people who love like your parents are probably going to love you. Even if they disagree, even if they disowned you, they probably would still

Andrew Wilsonlove you. I'm just saying I don't think it's cruel. Okay. I think it's descriptive to say like maybe not all that's maybe fair, but it's descriptive to say that way less people are going to

Savannah (Tucson)uh I think it's a cruel thing to say just because uh sex workers are aware of that. I mean, I've been very open about the fact that it is harder to date with

Savannah (Tucson)an only fans. Um, but I think it's unnecessary to point those things out. It just seems like berating for no reason. No. Well, there's good reason

Andrew Wilsonfor it. The re the reason is the promotion of stigma. So again, society only has so many ways that it can push behavior or not push behavior. And I think that everybody's essentially

Andrew Wilsonalways trying to push their worldview all the time. For the most part, I think they are. I just think that the religious are as justified as anybody else in doing that. Okay? And when it comes to stigmatization, I think that stigmatizing things that we don't like

Andrew Wilsonis perfectly acceptable and we do it constantly. Here's a good example of that. Smoking. Now, I'm a smoker and that's heavily stigmatized, right? You're not allowed to smoke in restaurants anymore. You can't smoke on

Andrew Wilsonplanes. Now, you never could when when I became a smoker, but you can smoke in restaurants and bars and you can smoke basically wherever the hell you want. Now you can basically smoke nowhere. Mhm. You know, you can smoke a couple of places away from everybody. That's it.

Andrew WilsonThe whole behavior is stigmatized, right? And it's based on your effect of other people and their perception of it. It's the same thing with sex work. It's based on the effect and people's perception. Okay. So, I think it's

Brian Atlastotally fair for people to do that. I think it's open game, right? Stigmatization. Well, I think they can do that, but I do think it's cruel. So, um I mean I guess on on that uh I mean

Brian Atlasyou do of you're not doing like traditional adult content. You're not escorting. You're not a cortisan. You

Honeyare um do you uh how long have you been working as a cortisan? [Music] Um mid

Brian Atlas2022 or three. I can't remember off the top of my head right now. You've been at it for a little bit. And how old are you again? I'm 27. 27. Were you doing any kind of sex work before 2023? Um, online

Honeystuff like there's online cam sites, things like that. Did you do adult uh content? I've never done corn before recently like that. There's like live cams that

Brian Atlaswas more of a thing a couple years ago. Personal cam, solo cam stuff. Yeah. Okay. Like chatterbait or whatever. Yeah, like that. Um, and so when did you start doing that?

HoneyI can't recall off the top of my head. Um, did you do any stripping? Have you stripped? Okay. So, you started Don't they strip inside those things? Inside those They can, but not everybody does.

Brian AtlasBut you weren't in the strip club. Okay. So, you've been doing uh I uh uh I don't really know what escorting. Well, it's

Brian Atlasnot an escort. Have you ever done like Have you done street walking? No. Like where you're on the street corner? You haven't done that or anything, but you do work at a ranch. Um, how many uh and

Honeyyou said you started in 2023, I believe. So, do you recall which month? Uh, summer. Uh, so like two I couldn't tell you the exact month. Two to three. You've been doing it for two years about

HoneyYeah, I'd say that's a big bet. Sure. Okay. And how many uh how often do you work? Um, it can wildly depend. I would say usually um once a month or every other month. You only work once a month. Well,

Brian Atlasyou only work once a month for for two weeks at a time. Oh, I misunderstood your question. You stay on site? Yes. Yeah. Okay. When I typically I'm thinking like in terms of days. Um Yeah.

Brian AtlasYou got to change your mindset slightly because this is this is the legitimate brothel, right? Yeah. So, yeah. But I Okay. So, you work two weeks on, two weeks off, or

Brian Atlaspretty much. Yeah, Ideally. It depends on the time of year. Okay. Um, and that's been your pretty consistent schedule for the past two years, I would say. So, yes. Okay. How

Honeymany people do you see per day? That can wildly depend. Also, it can be zero. It can be one, two, three. It's not a crazy number. What's the most you've ever seen

Honeyper day? Oh, I don't know. Um, for wildly different things, maybe three or four people, but that's not all the same services. And do you ever do any group

Brian Atlasstuff? Like a couple comes in, they want to sleep with you. Uh a group have do they allow like groups of like they want to do a gang?

HoneyUm well, something like that I think you would probably have to talk to the manager about. I've never had that request before. So I have done couples. Yeah. Okay. Have you done a thrpple? Like three people come in and you sleep

Brian Atlaswith all of them? No, I've never had that happen to me personally. Okay. Um, and so some days you don't work at all and I'm assuming you get paid per

Honeyuh encounter. We're independent contractors, so we can set our own price for what it is the person or people are looking for and that price is what you specifically. Is it like a barber shop

Brian Atlaswhere you basically just rent out a room there? You pay them a fee to rent out the room and then you get your own clients or do they take a cut? How does it work? Um there's room and board um

Honeythere but there's also like specialty rooms that have like a hot tub in it or something um that you can also utilize um for bookings that would require such a thing. So you have your own room, but

Brian Atlasthere's also rooms you can use that are on site if that makes sense. But do you uh do they procure the clients or do you or is it both? Um it's both. Okay. And

Honeythey get a cut of the total price. Um there there's a percentage that's a cut, but it goes towards to you know keeping the lights on. It's a giant building and the water bill it's like paying

Honeyutilities and rent basically. Okay. And what is the like what what do you charge? Is it like 30 minutes or how how does it work? I can't give like an

Honeyexact number. Um it's just a legality that I have to follow working in a place like this. But um it can totally depend. There are people who come in and they say, "I only need 15 minutes." And

Honeythat's totally fine. And there are some people who say, "I want to spend three hours." Do you have discretion negotiation? Wait, I'm sorry. What? Do you have discretion with negotiation or is there

Honeya set minimum that the house requires? It's completely up to me. Um, there is like a small standard when it comes to certain things. like if you want to use

Honeyone of the big specialty rooms with the hot tub, they prefer it to be over a certain dollar amount simply because you're utilizing that and then blocking it off for anybody else. So, um, when it

Brian Atlascomes to the tweet, I get I'm just asking some questions here. Um, are you currently dating anybody? I am. You're in a relationship with a man, a woman, a man. A man. Okay. Is he also a sex

Honeyworker? Um he appears in some of my online stuff but he does not work um as a corn star or anything. You have an Only Fans? I do. Yeah. Has he ever worked with another girl on Her Only Fans or is this

Brian Atlasthe first time he's been involved in sex work? Um I believe this is the first time. Okay. Is he uh is he a what's it called? A gigalo or what is it the male jigalow? I'm not familiar with that

Honeyterm. Is he a male prostitute? No. Like does he work at at the ranch I work at? There is one. There is a male. um separate. I've But aren't they usually gay?

Brian AtlasI know. I've never had the opportunity. Wait, so uh he uh so you're in a How long have you been dating him? About a almost a year, I

Brian Atlasthink. A year. So yeah. Uh you had been doing uh the cordisen brothel stuff for a year when you met him basically. Okay.

Brian AtlasUh did you how did you meet him? Um at a bar. I think it was like a a bar and grill. Bar and did you guys like hook up that night or No, we didn't. Okay. Yeah, we had a nice conversation. Yeah. And he

Brian Atlaslike got your number and you guys set up a date for another day. Yeah. Um did you disclose to him that night that you were a prostitute? I did. You told him? Yeah. I'm actually I've been very lucky to

Honeynever struggle with dating throughout any of my sex work endeavors. So, you see significantly older? No. No. Same age. only like he's roughly 30. Wait,

Brian Atlasyou've never struggled with dating at all? No. And being a sex worker, opening line is BTW, I'm a prostitute. Back when back when I had There's no There's Oh, when

Brian Atlasyou had dating apps. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. No, you're fine. You're totally fine. Um, so you were on a dating app and would you write it in your dating app like BTW? Like carefully? Yes. I don't remember exactly how I worded it because I believe it was

Honeyhinged. So, I had to be kind of careful cuz they would try to ban me for soliciting even though that's not what I was doing. I could see I could see how you Yeah. But you would tell you would tell I would literally put it on my

Honeyprofile in abbreviated terms and say I'm super upfront about it because okay, we I don't have to waste anybody else's time. If that's a deal breaker for them, that's completely fine. And I don't

Honeyjudge people for that being a deal breakaker at all. That's why I'm super upfront about it. Question for you. Um, how many girls work at the brothel that you're at?

Brian AtlasIt depends. I would say it's usually between maybe like five to eight on a given day. On an average, I would say, but like maybe there's dozens in total throughout the year. Is that fair to

Brian Atlassay? Yes, perhaps even more. There's like a rotating schedule, I would call it. Yeah. And I mean, uh, of the girls that work there, have are they married? Are they in relationships? Have you heard from them? Um, I don't go out of

Honeymy way to to ask everybody that I meet. We're all about minding our own business and not crossing professional and personal boundaries. Um, I am aware of several that are in

Brian Atlashappy relationships. I can't tell you what gender those relationships are, but yeah, not at all uncommon. Okay. because it it would seem to me that the

Brian Atlasmajority of men don't want to have romantic or sexual relationships with a

Brian Atlasactive prostitute. Um but uh so your boyfriend like do you work is it like five days a week? How how does it work?

HoneyUm, well, the the place I work at, Bella's Ranch is open 247, so I can take a day off or a night off whenever I please. I kind of make my own schedule. And But you said it was like two weeks

Honeyon, two weeks off. Yeah. I'll travel up there to where it is and I will stay there for two weeks at a time. Sure. Um, and work whichever days I feel like while I'm up there and then I leave and

Brian Atlasgo back home. Okay. And so go back. Do you live with your boyfriend? Yes. Okay. Okay. And so you go back home after a day of working back home to where you and your boyfriend live. Yeah. After the

Brian Atlasthe two weeks that I've been up there, I go back home and we live together. Oh, wait. So you stay there. I'm saying like he doesn't live in that region. So you'll be apart from him for two weeks.

Brian AtlasYes. You'll stay at the location at the brothel. Yes. Is the relationship open? Open. What do you like completely open? Yeah. Like you guys can just sleep with

Honeywhoever you want. he can sleep with whoever he wants. I wouldn't really know what to call it. Um, we're both very open people. We're very comfortable, very confident people. Communication,

Honeytrust, and honesty is key in a lot of relationships, but especially in one. Is he allowed to b another check is what I'm asking. Sure. Okay. Okay. So, it's an open Yeah, that makes more sense with communication. Of course, it's not like

Brian Atlasyou can just be like, I'm going to the store, but it it is overtly open relationship. So he'll it's ethical non- monogamy. So he'll tell you like has he

Brian Atlastold you btw babe I'm gonna go Becky? No. I thought you said you I mean it just hasn't come up yet. It's completely off the table. But so I understand that he can sleep with other

Brian Atlaswomen. Has he slept with other women? No. But you said there's open. So it's o do you sleep with other

Brian Atlasmen in a nonwork capacity? I don't. No. Do you uh but that's by my choice? Do you sleep with him? Yeah. Okay. And you guys have a sex life, I imagine. Yeah.

Brian AtlasOkay. And he's okay. Like does he does he need like a 24 to 48 hour window after you a guy? Like maybe we can pause on the kissing. Maybe we can wait a little

Honeybit for sex or It takes me like two days to get home. So we've never really had a conversation like that before. But he'll kiss Does he kiss you when you walk in the door? Yeah. Okay. I do brush my teeth. Oh,

Brian Atlasyeah. We get tested every single week. But do you like for example, let's say you like is there a specific day of the week like Wednesday or it varies? Um, I think it just changed recently, but it's

Honeyone of the earlier weekdays routinely every single like for example, um, every Monday morning at 9:00 a.m. and that's I can't give out the exact schedule of when we actually do that, but every

HoneyMonday morning, oops, at 9:00 a.m. a doctor comes and we do all of our testing. There's blood testing and there's swabs. Sure. So, and you might work Tuesday,

Brian AtlasWednesday, Thursday, Friday. Yeah. subsequent to the test, right? You'll have sex subsequent to the test and then you'll go home and then have

Honeysex with your boyfriend. I overlap the testing. I will usually leave on you, you know, before I leave, I'll just do the testing again because

Brian Atlasit's just convenient. Let's just to be clear, every week you work, you ha you'll have sex, then you'll take a te,

Brian Atlasthe STD test, and that'll be the last thing you do, then you leave to go home. Yeah, I I make sure to include one in before I go, which of course though,

Brian Atlaseven if you did do that, STD uh STDs can take days, weeks, or even months uh to show up. So, even if you did the STD test, uh that was you did one that was

Brian Atlasthe last thing you did and then you waited for the results. Um that's kind of an interesting component. But so he's okay, your boyfriend's okay with you

Honeyhaving sex with other men for money while in a rel and he doesn't other women. He's more than welcome to. He's just

Savannah (Tucson)busy. He's busy. But uh Okay. Um wait, can I ask do you guys

Honeyhave to wear I don't know. Protection. Oh, at the brothel, protection is required for absolutely everything.

Brian AtlasThere is no kind of any kind of oral. Yeah. Okay. Required. I This is uh ear muffs, Andrew. You know, I'd rather

Brian Atlasif I had to wear a condom during a BJ, I'd rather just not get the BJ. I've heard that. Yeah. It's kind of like with hand jobs, I'd rather just not even have a hand job. Yeah.

Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next