Feral Attacker & 140 IQ Girl CRASH The Debate?! Andrew & Brian vs. Feminists! | Whatever Debates #13

Date: 2025-03-19

Duration: 5h 14m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSavannah (Tucson)>

AAndrew Wilson >

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_05Jen Stone(guest)

SPEAKER_06Savannah (Tucson)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Honey(guest)

SPEAKER_09Priscilla(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces debate: Andrew Wilson, Savannah, Honey

Key MomentAndrew proposes shoot-to-kill border deterrence as deterrent

Key MomentPriscilla returns as surprise redemption guest. Apologizes to Brian but not Andrew.

Key MomentRachel Wilson calls in via Discord to confront Priscilla. 'Stay away from Andrew.' 'Ring up groceries.'

Topics Discussed

Immigration and Deportation

Savannah's empathy vs Andrew's strict enforcement including shoot-to-kill deterrence.

Sex Work Safety

Honey's legal brothel work discussed. Andrew: banning sex work is only 100% protection.

Priscilla Redemption/Confrontation

Priscilla returns. Back-and-forth on prior incident. Rachel Wilson calls in to confront her.

Bear vs Man

Andrew extends analogy to racial crime statistics.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthe scenes of this girl attacking, assaulting, and arguably battering Andrew. Uh I don't know if there's any criminal defense lawyers in the chat who

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Brian AtlasNo, no, no, no. Okay. Right click on center,

Brian Atlasplease. Hello. The No, no, no, dude. Dude, dude. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Mick. Yes. Right click. Transition override. You You just had it. There you

Brian Atlasgo. Hit none. Okay. All right. So, um I apologize, guys. Um the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel. With that said, without further ado, we're

Brian AtlasOh, wait. Actually, do we need to have the guests introduce themselves? Yeah. Yeah, why not? Um, please tell us your name, age, uh, occupation, where you're from, any education, and your political or social

Savannah (Tucson)leanings. Uh, starting with you. Go ahead. Uh, my name is Savannah. I'm 24 from Tucson, Arizona. I am a social worker at a psych hospital, animal

Savannah (Tucson)rehabber, and I do Only Fans. Um, and I'm kind of independent in the middle. So, Okay. All right. What about you? My name is Honey. I'm 27. I have a

Honeymental health care background. I currently work at Bellis Hosianda Ranch. Bit of a career change there. I would consider myself leftist. What do you do

Honeyat the ranch? I'm a legal cordon, which is the best uh way that I can say that on YouTube, I believe. Okay, got it. All

Brian Atlasright. Andrew, what about you? I want What the What is that? I don't know what that is. A cortisan. A woman of the night. Yeah, she's a woman of the night.

Andrew WilsonOkay. At a a cortisan. Okay. A cortisan. Yeah. My name is Andrew Wilson. I'm the host of The Crucible. It's popular entertainment channel on YouTube. I'm a political analyst, a political satist,

Brian Atlasand I engage in conversations, debates all over the world, and I'm happy to have this debate today with you, too. So, I appreciate you guys coming. All right. Brian Atlas 35, host of the whatever podcast, washed up over the hill has

Brian Atlasbeen YouTuber. Uh, that's pretty much it for me. Um, all right. So, I guess we're um going to get into some of our first topics here. Uh, do you guys seem to have specific

Savannah (Tucson)disagreements with the podcast? It seems. Do we Do you Is that That was my impression, but Oh, like me us with this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Like the dating

Brian Atlastalk podcast. Oh, I mean I did initially, but since the last time I was on, I realized that you weren't that terrible. So, not that terrible. Slightly terrible, though. Yeah. What are the things I'm terrible about in

Savannah (Tucson)terms of my views or whatever? I don't think that you're that bad anymore. Um, I think that just Okay. What about this guy next? Speak up a little bit, though. Yeah. Sorry. Um, I I guess our

Savannah (Tucson)disagreements would probably be about the whole women's voting and some political stuff. Um, I think religion as well, it's kind of hard to disagree on that, but um, I think we could have a

Brian Atlasconversation about the morality behind religion. Sure. So, Sure. Uh, and then what about you? I don't have an

Honeyissue with either one of you. We've never met or interacted. Um, my initial impression of the podcast was simply through clips I've seen on like Tik Tok and Instagram, but of course those can

Honeyalways be taken grandly out of context. Um, but after watching a little bit of it, it's a way different than I imagined. So, I'm happy to be here. Do you both describe yourselves as feminists?

Andrew WilsonUh, I've never described myself as a feminist, but yeah, I like women. Maybe a quick definitions like feminism would be the movement towards an

Andrew Wilsonegalitarian society deconstructing the patriarchy. No. No. So do you think women are an oppressed class? Not in America. Okay.

Brian AtlasI'd have to agree with her. Yeah. Okay. Not in America. Not in America. So there you think men and women have perfectly equal rights or at least women have as

Brian Atlasmany rights as men? I would say so. Yeah. Same for you? I don't disagree. Okay. Um, and you don't categorize either of yourselves as feminists. Is

Honeythat correct? I would have to say no. There's a lot of corners of modern feminism that don't like me based on what I do for work. So, that's kind of

Brian Atlastough to navigate in itself. Sex work conversation. Um, and what what do you guys think about do you think there is a patriarchy? She she had an opening

Savannah (Tucson)statement actually. Oh, really? You wrote I did I wrote Yeah, we can sure we can do that. All right. Um Okay. I said uh that I think morality should evolve

Savannah (Tucson)with society. And I think that empathy is the foundation of a just world. And I think that Trumpism is rooted in division, cruelty, and a lack of accountability. And I think that

Savannah (Tucson)religion is used to justify harmful and outdated beliefs, especially about women in other countries. And I don't reject the idea of high of a higher power, but I don't think that a text written by

Savannah (Tucson)bronze age no nomads should dictate modern morality. Uh, and my stance on politics is about what I believe is right and wrong based on reason and

Savannah (Tucson)empathy. Um, so I just would like you to consider whether it's truly moral or just convenient for maintaining power

Honeywhen it comes to religion. I see. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Do you have a opening statement or um I would keep it very brief. Uh I didn't write

Honeyanything out. My perspective on religion religion is that I actually find it slightly delusional in most senses. Um I

Honeywould consider myself an atheist to keep it simple. Um I actually grew up in the Catholic church. I know that's a little bit different from Christianity in some aspects. So that's totally fair.

HoneyHowever, I think um whether you're questioning or unquestioning in your belief of a god in a traditional sense, I personally um find it

Honeyunrealistic um and people don't question it enough. I think delusional is the best way that I can describe it. I'm interested to hear your perspectives because in what I've learned about you

Honeyjust in my research before this, I'm actually really interested um to talk to you and I am coming at this from a non-aggressive, non-argumentative way. I hope to portray

Andrew Wilsonthat at least probably going to get pretty argumentative. Just not going to lie. And that's okay. It's probably going to be pretty argumentative. Uh you had uh

Brian Atlasviews on immigration too, right? I had some. Yeah. Yeah. Let's start there. Uh, one really quick thing. I do uh I do want to do a quick secondary

Brian Atlasthank you to Ogle who popped uh a crystal ball for us in our debate uh just about an hour ago. So, do it again. Thank you again, Ogle. I I do appreciate your patronage. Uh let's Yeah, let's

Brian Atlasjust get into the immigration thing now. What prompted that conversation in your last appearance? Um, so Mick, are you able to pull up the tweets, but can you

Brian Atlasgo to the one that's about immigration? Do you know how to do that?

Brian AtlasSo, uh, here, remember how I showed you, um, on the other monitor, there's going to be a bunch of

Brian Atlastweets. And now, if you just minimize the Discord, can you show here, Mick, tell me what is currently up on the monitor, please?

Brian AtlasOkay. Can you minimize the Discord and tell me what you see on the monitor and then I'll be able to tell you where to uh navigate to. Sorry guys. Just uh Matt, thank you for the soup chat. Do appreciate it. And if you guys are

Brian Atlasenjoying the stream, like I said, $200 TTS read is 100. TTS is 200. Do you have it? Do Do you have the Discord

Brian Atlasminimized? Yeah. Okay. That is definitely not um Can you just pull up the Chrome tab?

Brian AtlasSo, remember how it was visually before where it was everything? No. Okay. Here. Okay. Just

Brian Atlasstay there. So, minimize the Discord tab now. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Here, go up. I'm sorry.

Brian AtlasYeah. Go up to the Discord box. Go up to the Discord box. And do you know how the minimize feature? Yes. Okay. Now, hit F11 on the

Brian Atlaskeyboard here. Actually, before you do that, no. Here, hit F11 again. Okay. Um, click. Remember how I

Brian Atlasshowed you the tweet? The tweet? No, no, no, no, no. the tweet beyond the Instagram tab like I showed you before the stream. Yes. Click on that one.

Brian AtlasOkay. Go F11. No. Uh yes. Hit F11. Okay. And then controll tab until I tell you to we get to the right

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Brian AtlasNext. There it is. Okay. This is what started the conversation as it pertains to immigration. Elon Musk on February 18th uh posted uh haha wow uh in

Brian Atlasresponse to the White House posting ASMR illegal alien deportation flight. Scroll down a little bit on this Mick. Scroll

Brian Atlasdown. Okay. And to which you responded, "You have no empathy for men." Which led off to a conversation you and I had about immigration. Uh so are you in

Andrew Wilsonfavor of illegal immigration in Didn't you say that morality is based around empathy? Yes, I did. So, wouldn't that be an immoral position? Or is it just a moral position because you don't have any

Savannah (Tucson)empathy for this group of people? What do you mean? I said you have no empathy talking about Elon Musk just because I mean I'm not for illegal immigration. That's not something that I'm uh

Savannah (Tucson)advocating for. But I think that posting in that way as if it's funny to um do that to people and just pick up their whole lives, I I don't think that that's

Savannah (Tucson)funny. I think it's tragic. Um and I understand that we have to do it, but I think that it could be done in a in a better way that's not uh immoral. So you your problem was that

Andrew Wilsonhe was just laughing about it? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do have a problem with that. But I mean it is kind of ironically funny, right? Ow. Well, because if you break into my

Andrew Wilsonhouse, right, and then the cops come and take you out, I'm probably going to laugh at you, right? Okay. Would would you would you laugh at somebody broke in your house and then I do think that's a

Savannah (Tucson)little bit different, though. But would you would you laugh at them? Sure. Yeah. Your empathy for them then? Well, I think that's a little bit different. Um cuz those people aren't breaking into my house to live a better life. They're

Andrew Wilsonbreaking into my house probably for a bad reason, I would assume. Anyway, um well, I mean, it's a good reason for them, right? Like their reasons for breaking into your house is they want

Savannah (Tucson)your stuff for a materially better life, just like the immigrant, right? Right. Well, I guess that's subjective based on scenario, but I

Savannah (Tucson)um I I don't think that it's right to laugh about that in particular when it comes to immigration. H So, you're not for illegal immigration?

Savannah (Tucson)I'm not. Uh, no. I I Well, obviously not. I mean, I don't think that It is what it is, though. You know, if if we could stop it, then I think that would be great.

Savannah (Tucson)But that's just not I don't think that that's possible. I don't think that'll ever be possible. What about deportations? Is that okay? I think

Savannah (Tucson)um I think that depends really for me morally. I think obviously criminals uh that makes sense. That's been in place for a long time. But I think when it

Savannah (Tucson)comes to kids like in the Dhaka program that have grown up here and have never lived like in their home country and they don't speak that language, I think that deporting them is immoral. I think

Savannah (Tucson)that's wrong. And I understand that it's their parents fault, you know, when they bring them over here. It's a selfish decision. But um to put that on the kids kind of just seems unfair to me. Doesn't

Andrew Wilsonit seem unfair to me that it's an it's an unfair situation all around. But so so how come this is what I don't understand about the empathy is morality

Andrew Wilsoncrowd. I really don't get this part. You say well Andrew we really got to be empathetic towards these people and their plight. It's like but at the

Andrew Wilsonexpense of me and mine. Where's the empathy towards me and mine? And then it just kind of becomes well their shit's worse. Right. Right. It's like but but but isn't there supposed to be empathy

Savannah (Tucson)on both sides? I totally think that there should be. Yeah. Um I mean it's really hard to pick a side when it comes

Savannah (Tucson)to stuff like this cuz um I agree with both of both of I agree with that. But um I think that the implications for deporting somebody that's lived here uh

Savannah (Tucson)for their whole life and they don't speak the language of their home country versus you having to deal with that person in a Walmart. I feel like it's a little bit of a different situation when it comes to Well, I understand it sucks for them. Yeah. Like I get that they're

Andrew Wilsongoing to have a lot of readjusting to do. You know what I mean? But for you know, not every DACA recipient is under that by the way. No, not all. But but the thing is is even for the ones who

Andrew Wilsonare right, if you are to this is then this is one of the big kind of like primary problems maybe we can dive into with your empathy's morality thing. What

Andrew Wilsonabout looking forward 30 years? So it's like right now we can be empathetic towards these people, right? That's true. But what if you send the signal that this is now okay and so more

Andrew Wilsonillegals come in have children here understanding that well you know uh these kids in 20 years can make the same claim as the former DACA recipients and

Andrew Wilsonnow we have to make all of them citizens as well. Bypassing all of the other people who are in line. Not much empathy for those people. Right. Right. And creating now a perverse incentive for more people to come and do it seems like

Andrew Wilsonit's the least empathetic thing to do. Well, what would your solution be then when it comes to deportation and legal immigration? I would kick out every single legal immigrant who was here and everybody

Andrew Wilsonhere who wasn't a naturalized citizen. Okay. Gone. They have no business being in our nation. uh nation is from my

Andrew Wilsonperspective it's uh culture borders language that's how uh very famous talk radio host Michael Savage used to frame it I largely agree with that assessment

Andrew Wilsonculture border language so uh in this case um illegal immigrants who come in they don't have the same culture they often like even at the hotel I'm staying at

Andrew Wilsonhalf half don't speak English right and Um, and they've already violated the borders. So, like what from for me that's already criminal. So, when you

Savannah (Tucson)say things like, "Let's deport the criminals," I'm like, "Well, there they are." Okay. They, right? They're already criminals from my perspective, right? They've already broken in here. So,

Savannah (Tucson)when it comes to parents that come here, uh, and they have a kid here, though, and they raise that kid here, obviously, they made a choice to do that. That's a selfish choice because they they know

Andrew Wilsonthat that could be a possible implication. Um do you still think that that's fine to Well, the law of the land is that um if you're born here, you become a naturalized citizen, right? So

Andrew WilsonSo that's not So that would be I want to repeal that. Okay. I would like for there to be a different interpretation that says that a naturalized citizen is you have to have

Andrew Wilsona mom and a dad and both of them are native to the nation and then they have a child that child becomes native to the nation. That's I I would get rid of the soil policy alto together but that

Andrew Wilsonnaturalb born would require your mom and your dad both be citizens of the nation and uh then you become a citizen. That's that's like my ideal citizenship policy.

Savannah (Tucson)So when it comes to immigrants working here, do you not think that they are good for the economy? Do you think that they are harming it? Sure. Slave labor is good for the economy.

Andrew WilsonOkay. It's different. Well, not really. So because because they have no documentation, they can be paid under the table. They send remittances back to their home nation, which is untaxed,

Andrew Wilsonright? totally untacked remittances in the hundreds and hundreds of millions if not I think it's billions actually that they send back in remittances but don't quote me on that it's at least hundreds of millions okay they're sending back to

Andrew Wilsontheir home nations that's non-t taxable the employer is able to squeeze out American citizens for the jobs because now they can pay under the table right uh and then they do they do do work visa

Andrew Wilsonprograms but they're totally rigged right so the work visa programs are totally rigged for um for various uh companies um the the whole thing is a massive cluster when it comes to that. So

Andrew Wilsonyeah, I don't think that that's good policy. I think that you're just kind of promoting slave labor essentially by giving people perverse incentives to have people come across the border and

Savannah (Tucson)then they have children here and now we have a conundrum. Right. Right. Like oh what do we do now? Well, I definitely am not advocating for slave labor. I or

Savannah (Tucson)people getting paid under under wage. I don't advocate for that. But just for an example, like let's just say that you have a construction company and you have

Savannah (Tucson)a hundred illegal immigrants working for you. You're paying them under minimum wage and then we deport all of them. So, in what I think logically is I don't

Savannah (Tucson)think that these businesses would be hiring a hundred American citizens and then paying them a just wage. I think that they would be spending the same amount of money but hiring less people which would just make everything less

Andrew Wilsonefficient. Then why don't we just bring everybody into the United States? Well, I don't think that's really an argument. It's not an argument. It's a question. Well, I am not advocating for that.

Andrew WilsonThat's not Yeah, but why not? If it just is going to perpetually increase the GDP and it's going to perpetually increase the amount of cheap labor that businesses can get, why not just bring everybody here or bring hundreds of millions a year here? But do you

Andrew Wilsonunderstand my point though? Like do you No, not Well, not really. You're just saying if you have a business and the business has 100 employees, right, and suddenly the business owner had to pay a

Andrew Wilsonfair market competitive wage, he would have less employees. That seems like it's the advocation again of slave labor. No, I'm not. I'm just I'm just saying that this is how I think it would go. I don't think that these businesses

Andrew Wilsonwould hire American citizens at the same rate and pay them a higher wage. I think that it would be But isn't that isn't that why we want to get rid of illegals so that businesses have to hire our

Savannah (Tucson)citizens at a competitive wage? But do you see how it would make things less efficient? And again, I'm not advocating for paying people below minimum wage, but unfortunately that is it is what it

Savannah (Tucson)is. So just thinking about it in terms of that, would that not make it less efficient? Yeah. So I just if you want to understand the implication of your argument here, what you're doing is

Andrew Wilsonyou're advocating on the on behalf of rich industrialists. So if rich industrialists can pay people who are not American citizens less money to do jobs that then they make more money off

Andrew Wilsontheir back and they don't have to actually employ the American public, they gravitate towards that. You actually have created a perverse incentives a perverse incentive for illegals to come here, be secondass

Savannah (Tucson)citizens and get paid less than the normal American, right? Like that seems totally like contrary to what you actually want. Well, I'm not advocating for that. I think that just thinking

Savannah (Tucson)about it logically, like that's how these people run their businesses. That's why they hire illegal immigrants so that they can pay them less. Sure, people violate the law all the time in order to make more money, which I don't

Andrew Wilsonagree with, but I'm saying like would that not make things less efficient if you had less workers? Yes, it would make things less efficient if you had uh less

Andrew Wilsonworkers. But however, this would could easily be applied to slavery. Ending slavery is bad because it would be less efficient because we would have less workers. Right. Right. I I do find a big

Savannah (Tucson)distinction between slavery and illegal immigration though because those people are are here by choice. Sure. But the consistency of the argument is the same. So that that your value that you're

Andrew Wilsonarguing is about efficiency, right? So it's like, okay, great. Yes, it is more efficient, but also here's another scenario which would also be more efficient. Well, sure, but that's a comparison that just So, it seems like

Andrew Wilsonefficiency is not really what you're trying to argue. Then you must be trying to argue something else because if you take efficiency and you say, well, I think this will hurt the efficiency of the business. It's like so is taking black people out of cotton fields. That

Savannah (Tucson)hurts the efficiency of the cotton field, right? Well, in in that scenario, in a in a slavery scenario, uh obviously I'm not advocating for that, but I think illegal immigrants, they they want to be

Savannah (Tucson)here. They came here, they want to work, they want to make money. They're contributing to our system. So did slaves, but not by choice. And they're not getting paid. So that's true. But very big difference. Then the value here

Andrew Wilsonmust be something not that's not efficiency. you must be arguing something that's not efficiency then because you keep on saying well it's less efficient it's like I can grant

Savannah (Tucson)that but then that's just an example of uh how I think that illegal immigration has done something good for our economy whether I think it's morally just or not

Andrew WilsonI think uh that you you can say that it's illegal immigration can be super helpful to the economy in some aspects but it can also be very draining in other aspects for the instance um the

Andrew Wilsonthese people are not paying into tax the the um tax system for uh basic things like government subsidies for emergency care, right? It happens in emergency rooms. California had some of the finest

Andrew Wilsonhospitals in the world which were bankrupted by illegal immigrants using them basically as the emergency room as a health facility, right? Um there's all sorts of net drains also that they get

Andrew Wilsonincluding fraud for social security, fraud for stealing people's identities, all sorts of fraud that drains the system, not to mention remittances which aren't taxed. So the thing is is like if you're making the moral argument based

Andrew Wilsonon efficiency. I think that's not what you mean. You don't mean efficiency. You're just pointing out an example of how they can be a boon. Yeah, that was just But I would just agree. I would just agree there can be cases where they

Andrew Wilsondefinitely help the economy. Okay. just they're just just in net even if you made the the case and I agreed with it that they mostly assist the economy that's not the only dynamic of the

Savannah (Tucson)problem we're looking at right yeah definitely not that's just like just an example of um why I think illegal immigration has been good in some ways

Savannah (Tucson)um sorry no it's fine uh go ahead like specifically where I live as Well, uh, where do you live? I live in Tucson. Oh,

Savannah (Tucson)in Arizona. Yeah. So, it's right on the border. Um, and obviously we have a lot of illegal immigrants. Um, and the people who live in the border towns hate them. They sure do. Yeah, they sure do.

Andrew WilsonWhy do you think that is? Uh, because they got there illegally. Well, because they destroy their property. They um they butcher their cattle. They um they do all sorts of horrible things to their

Andrew Wilsonprivate property. They do a lot of thefts on the way over. It it they just loathe them. People in border towns are always always demanding more and more security inside their towns. They can

Andrew Wilsonnever get enough because I mean you can imagine how unsettling would it be if you go out for your nice uh you know Starbucks frat or whatever it is in the morning, right? And it has the double

Andrew Wilsonshot of espresso or whatever the it is that that you know pe girls get now. Uhhuh. and you sit out and you're in your like little stocking whatever your your blanket and and you're on your deck and you look out and there's

Savannah (Tucson)families of illegal immigrants crossing your backyard destroying Okay. I I'm sure that that has happened to someone. I've lived there for a very long time. I've never seen that happen.

Savannah (Tucson)I've never heard of that happening. Um I live on the northern side. So Ngalas I think is it So not the border side. Yeah, not the border side, but Ngalas

Savannah (Tucson)the crime rate over there is a lot higher, but I think that it's very um it's very community based. They don't really leave that the crime stays in that area. I think it's a lot of uh

Andrew Wilsonwhich is also bad. Crime. It's also bad. So, it's like all the arguments that you can make as a pro for illegal immigration, you just have to kind of bite the bullet that you want to concede our sovereignty because that's what it

Andrew Wilsondoes. It conceds our sovereignty. I cannot go to Mexico tomorrow absent paperwork to and work there illegally, right? And uh do whatever I want. I mean, you wouldn't want to though. But

Andrew Wilsoneven if I There are tons of Americans who want to, especially rich ones because the the power of the dollar versus the peso is so high. If you're a multi-millionaire, you go down to Mexico, you can live the high life, right? Yeah. Mexican government though,

Andrew Wilsonthey want their money. They don't want you to come into their country without sufficiently greasing the palms of the Mexican government, which then is supposed to trickle down to its citizens, whether it does or it doesn't. You can't do that with them. Why is it

Savannah (Tucson)that we should have the expression they they can do it to us? Yeah, I mean, I agree. I'm I don't think that um I'm not I don't think that we should just open the borders and let everyone

Savannah (Tucson)in, but I think that there are you have to recognize the pros and the cons. There are both. We can't just say that illegal immigration is bad period because they have Would you say helped the economy? Let me ask you a question.

Savannah (Tucson)Would you say that slavery is bad period? Yes. I What about the pros? Well, the pros are very one-sided when it comes to slavery. I think illegal immigration

Andrew Wilsonthere can Nope, they're not. Let me give you an example. Okay, so you have a two nations at war. One's an aggressor nation much larger than the smaller one, right? and they attack like let's say

Andrew WilsonRussia attacked a smaller nation like I don't know Ukraine let's say okay right they attack and the Ukrainians and during a counterattack they're able to

Andrew Wilsontake over a large swath of Russia with tons of civilians who are all loyal to Russia okay they have three options

Andrew Wilsonoption A imprison them right okay option B kill them or option C let them go so that they and continue to assist their enemy in making weapons to kill your

Andrew Wilsonside. Okay, those are your three options. Would it be more morally just to go ahead and imprison those people rather than kill them or have them run back to make weapons that were going to kill you?

Savannah (Tucson)It's a tough question. I think um not really sure what I would do in that situation, honestly. Now, let's say you did imprison them. Okay. But you

Andrew Wilsononly got so much food and so much resources. You're fighting a war, right? Is it just then to have them assist against their will? I think I would let them go. You would let them go to assist

Savannah (Tucson)the enemy in killing you. I I'm not Here's the thing. I I am not a war leader. I don't belong in war. I'd make bad choices because I don't want anybody because empathy. Because empathy. Okay,

Andrew Wilsonthat's the thing, right? He's like, I'm what I'm giving you is an example of if you were to have two nations, they're at war. One's an aggressor nation, attacks a smaller one. Okay? It seems to me like they would be totally justified if they

Andrew Wilsoncounterattack this other nation rather than letting their men go and continue to come back and fight another day to imprison them and then force them to work against their will. Okay. So, in

Savannah (Tucson)that scenario, you would say that slavery is just. Sure. Okay. Wouldn't you? Well, I wouldn't go that far. I would say that maybe in that maybe it h

Andrew Wilsonit would have to be done, but I wouldn't be happy about it. Well, I mean, maybe, but you're not happy to be in a war. Well, no. So, what I'm saying is that there are just times to enslave people.

Andrew WilsonOkay. And there's no if ends or buts about it. I don't see. And so, when people say like you got to take the pros and the cons of something, but then they make an unequivocal moral statement like there's no pros to slavery. It's like, yes, there is. I mean, but in in but

Savannah (Tucson)there's way more cons why we shouldn't do it. I get that. Cuz it wouldn't that just be cherry-picking in a way? Which one? I mean, trying to find a good outcome of slavery when there are so

Andrew Wilsonmany bad ones. Trying to find one good one just seems it's well, it's just it's just showing that the principle is not consistent. Okay, so like we're just checking the consistency of the principle. So I I bore slavery. Hate it.

Andrew WilsonI think it's god awful. Okay. But I still need to be consistent enough to think, is it always under all circumstances, right, that are realistic? Like you can come up with bizarre hypotheticals where it's like,

Andrew Wilsonwould you enslave two people to save the world? I Okay, fine. But that's unrealistic, right? What about realistic things that happen with slavery where you're like, actually, like if I was in

Andrew Wilsonthat, I'd probably do that, right? And so I'm just checking for the the principle, the consistency of the principles. I mean that's it's tough uh cuz I I mean my moral is just I don't

Savannah (Tucson)want that to happen in general. So that would be a hard situation for me to deal with. I wouldn't be happy about it. But I guess that would be uh the only solution. So

Savannah (Tucson)yeah. Yeah. Empathy does not always provide the answers. No, it doesn't. But it can lead you down a good path, I think. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, I think one of the other disagreements that we

Brian Atlashad when we were discussing immigration was the question of feasibility. Is it feasible to deport the millions of illegal immigrants that are here? You

Brian Atlashad objections from a economic perspective. It's going to cost a lot to do that. And you also didn't believe it was feasible. Uh I don't know if you have more to add to that or Andrew, I mean, do you think that there's Yeah,

Andrew Wilsontotally feasible. Absolutely. We can deploy the United States military right to the border or shoot to kill. I would do it right away tomorrow. Wait, shoot to kill? Oh, yeah. The illegal immigrants. Yeah.

Andrew WilsonIt's our It's our No. If on the border if they're trying to cross I thought the ones who are currently here. No. No. No. No. Is it Isn't it wrong to kill though based in religion? It's wrong to murder.

Savannah (Tucson)Is that not murder? No. Killing someone is not murder. No. Murder definitionally is the unjustified killing of someone. Okay. So if you can justify it, it's fine. If you have good justification for it, is that subjective? Can any can I

Andrew Wilsonkill anyone and justify it to myself? Well, I would consider justification Well, I would start with the idea of what justification is. Okay. And then with the idea of is it an objective or

Andrew Wilsonsubjective justification? But either way, I would be justified. So if you say, well, there is no objective morality. It's only subjective, right? and it's relative between people, then

Savannah (Tucson)you really can't give me any reason why I shouldn't do that. So, just example, somebody breaks into your house, you shoot them. Am I allowed to say that? Yeah, that's fine. Okay. Um, that's justified. But you're walking down the

Savannah (Tucson)street, you see a family of illegal immigrants, you don't like it, you shoot them all. That's not what he was saying. No, he was saying that would be unjustified. Yeah. If they're trying to cross illegally. Okay. So that they're

Andrew Wilsontrying to break in just like they're trying to break into your house that I would view it the same way. Breaking into the country. Mhm. Okay. Well, I don't have an argument against that. I wouldn't do that. Yeah.

Andrew WilsonSo, I understand. You're in favor of it. Am I? No, I'm not in favor of it. I I just personally wouldn't. Well, do you think that illegal crossings would significantly go down if the United States military was on the border and

Andrew Wilsonsaid if you try to cross the border illegally, we open fire? Don't you think that? Yeah. Yes. Well, then it sounds like I solved the problem. Okay. By not using empathy. All right. Well, then let's put that into play. I agree.

Brian AtlasTotally. I don't know. I don't know if I That's I haven't even thought of that as an a solution. I don't know if that's my position, but I would agree with you in so far as Andrew. It would be a massive

Andrew Wilsondeterrence. Yes, it would be massive deterrence. Okay. Just like nuclear bombs, right? Why do you have nukes? It's not to use them, right? Deterrence. It's to stop people from using them. So, the idea isn't actually to send them

Andrew Wilsondown there with orders to shoot to kill. The idea is that because they have orders to shoot to kill, they'll never have to. Okay, that's the idea. I mean, if nobody has to die. Well, we hope.

Savannah (Tucson)Probably some will. Okay. Yeah, probably some. Well, I don't think that there is a like a flat simple way to fix the

Savannah (Tucson)immigration problem. I pretty sure that would fix it. That's a way. Sure. I just um I think that would be really hard to pass. Yeah, that's true. I think you're

Andrew Wilsoncorrect that it would be difficult to pass through Congress an act of Congress which mobilized but well, you know, the president's the commander-in-chief though. He doesn't I'm not sure that

Andrew Wilsonthat would be war authorization. So, I think he could actually unilaterally just order the military and order the border states to mobilize their national guard with orders to shoot. I think he actually could do

Brian Atlasthat. Didn't he try to get the military over there, though? The military is there now. They just don't have orders to shoot to kill. Right. Unfortunately. Okay. Yeah. Well, he says unfortunately. What do you think? Is that unfortunate?

Andrew WilsonDo you think it's unfortunate that they can't kill them? I don't think that that's unfortunate. I I don't I'm not advocating for the killing of anybody. Well, it's not an advocation of It's an advocation to make sure there is no

Andrew Wilsonkilling. I believe in forced doctrine. So the idea of like the idea of 5 foot one men attacking 7 foot tall 300lb men doesn't seem that likely to me. It seems

Andrew Wilsonlike they generally won't do that. Right. Right. So it seems like if you're a 7 foot 300 lb buff yolked out dude, you're probably not going to get attacked. And the whole idea behind that

Andrew Wilsonis because the person is worried that if they do attack you, what happens? They get they get messed up real bad. Right. Right. So, if you think if this is something that Trump could do, why do you think he hasn't done it? I don't I

Andrew Wilsonjust don't think that he would be able to justify it politically. Okay. Why though? Because I think that there would be an outcry, a general outcry against it. And it could stress his powers.

Andrew WilsonLike, yeah, I think it could be argued that this I I'm I'm not sure on this, right? But I it could possibly be argued as like you would need congressional

Andrew Wilsonauthorization for this because of some reason possibly be they could defund it or there's any number of different reasons or there could be some type of like humanitarian crisis that it could

Andrew Wilsonbe presented as that would cause a bunch of problems for him. So there might be a bunch of practical reasons, but I don't think that there's anything morally wrong with taking your army, putting it

Andrew Wilsonon your border, and telling people who try to cross that border that there's going to be dire consequences if they do. Okay. Yeah, I think that's totally reasonable. It's within the confines of reason. It's logical. It seems within

Savannah (Tucson)force doctrine, it would actually prevent more crossings and it would prevent more deaths ultimately. Yeah. Well, I don't um I don't have a solution, my own solution when it comes

Savannah (Tucson)to immigration. I think that uh topic is far too complicated for me and I don't know enough about how things work or politics uh to really come up with a

Brian Atlassolution. But I I think the only other disagreement we had pertaining to that was that there were uh flights, they were flying the immigrants in. You thought that this was dubious,

Brian Atlasthat there was no evidence of it. you didn't think this was actually a thing. Um I don't know if you still think that's the case, but I I yeah I still think there were in fact flights hundreds of thousands illegal I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow the precise number but there were Have you ever heard of the migrant caravans? The what now? Migrant caravans. I have heard of those. Okay. Yeah. So that's tens of thousands of people whose entire objective was to go

Andrew Wilsonthrough South America and Mexico collecting as many people as possible in order to break into the country at a single point make a political statement. The Democrats assured them that they would have hotel rooms that they would be taking care of. They actually had

Andrew WilsonDemocrat liaison who went to South America and would coach these migrant caravan leaders. Um it was a big cluster Yeah, what we were talking about is

Savannah (Tucson)uh I I think it was I think it was hundreds of thousands of immigrants being flown over into New York. Um and I

Andrew Wilsonjust Why would they do that? Because it switches voting demographics. But they can't vote. Well, that's funny to that's funny that you should mention that, but I'm not

Andrew Wilsongoing to get into that on YouTube because of the terms of service. But, um, the thing is is they can't work either, but they work, right? Right. But voting is a little You need a social.

Andrew WilsonYou're supposed to need a social work. Okay. But to to sign up to vote though, how do you do that without social? You take your fake ass social that you got

Andrew Wilsonout of So what happens is here's what people do. They go to a cemetery, okay? Well, they don't maybe they don't physically go, right? But what they do is they look through obituary records

Andrew Wilsonfor somebody like let's say your name is um Javier Vuarez, right? And uh you're roughly 25 years old. And so you go through the obituaries and you find somebody whose name is like, I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow, uh, Rodrigo something or another, and he's 22, right? And he has roughly the same types of features that you do, right? You can apply, get a death certificate, you get the death certificate, and then you can uh

Andrew Wilsonmanipulate that in such a way to get a birth certificate. You take the birth certificate down to the social security office, say, "I lost my social security card." They give you back your social security card. Then you go get a normal real state ID. you have now assumed

Savannah (Tucson)somebody else's identity. Are there statistics that show how many people that have passed away have voted in this last the problem is right is like they

Andrew Wilsondon't one they wouldn't count them as passed away because this is an active person who's not dead right but they did die though. Yeah, they did die, but that doesn't mean that they've been

Andrew Wilsonofficially counted. One, and two, when you're talking about the uh assumed identification, uh they can also they're also going to be counted as a living person. You can have conflicting records

Andrew Wilsoninside of our recordeping, okay? You know, apparatuses. And this happens often. Now, how many there are, liberals will tell you that there's very few cases like this, but it's very, very

Andrew Wilsondifficult to determine how many there actually are of cases like this. Very difficult because they've already assume the identity. The person is dead. Okay. Right. But it happens a lot more than

Savannah (Tucson)people let on. Well, it's just it's one of those things. Um I'm sure it happens and I'm sure it's happened, but uh there's there's just no there's no stats

Andrew Wilsonon it. There's no way to get stats on it. So it's hard for me to though there is a way to get a stats on this. Okay. That every single year 1 million legal immigrants come into the United States.

Andrew WilsonHow many illegal immigrants do you think are here? Uh I think probably five or six times the estimate that they say. Okay. What what do they say the estimate is? Uh Brian have to pull it up

Brian Atlasofficially. 11 million million. 11 million. Yeah. No no no no. Uh, so Mick, at the in the StreamYard, it's in the actual

Brian Atlasbrowser. Do you see where it says private chat? It's on primary monitor. It's on your primary monitor. It's selected. Do you see where it says private chat? No.

Brian AtlasNo. Hold on. So, just switch this back to comments. Do you see that comments tab? No. No. No. No. Okay. Yeah, we're on private chat. Look.

Brian AtlasUh, four up. It says comments it there. Okay. Um now, uh here I'm going to pull this up. I don't think it pertains to how many illegal

Brian Atlasimmigrants are in the country, but this is from homeland.house.gov. So, this is uh Department of Homeland Security. I

Brian Atlasbelieve this is their source. Hold on one sec, guys. I'm multitasking a dozen different things here. Uh so, Mick, I'm going to have you scroll down just a little bit. New documents reveal airports used by Secretary Mayorcas to

Brian Atlasfly hundreds of thousands of inad inadmissible aliens into US via CHNV mass parole scheme. Scroll down. CHNV mean? Scroll

Brian Atlasdown. Washington DC. Today, the House Committee on Homeland Security revealed documents obtained through subpoena of the Department of Homeland Security, DHS, that identified over 50 airport locations, including our nation's

Brian Atlascapital, used by DHS to help process into the country more than 400,000 inadmissible aliens through the through the administration's unlawful Cuban, Haitian, Nicaraguan, and Venezuelan mass

Brian Atlasparole program. The program was officially launched in January 2023 and the documents obtained by the committee cover the period from January to August, accounting for roughly 200,000 of these individuals. Uh, according to these

Brian Atlasdocuments, as of mid-occtober 2023, there were 1.6 million inadmissible aliens awaiting travel authorizations through this program. Scroll down quite a bit

Brian Atlasmore. Uh, keep going, keep going. So according to these documents, scroll down, scroll down, scroll down, scroll down. The top 15 airport loc, stop, stop, stop. The top

Brian Atlas15 airport locations used for the program and the number of inadmissible aliens who flew into a port of entry between January August 2023 were Miami

Brian Atlas91,000, Fort Lauderdale 60,000, New York City 14,000, Houston uh 8,000, Orlando 6,000, Los Angeles 3,000, Tampa 3, thou etc etc. Scroll down a bit. The the

Brian Atlasother airports used for the program. Okay, that's fine. Uh, and I mean that's pretty much it as it relates to the flights. Yeah. And you can point out too that there was a a time period here

Andrew Wilsonduring uh C19 uh when when COVID was going on, right? Where most of the ballots were mailin, right? and mail the mail and ballot

Andrew Wilsonsystem is like the worst idea ever conceived by man because the proofs there were uh very slight to have those

Andrew Wilsonvotes counted. So uh having having thousands of unsecured ballot locations, right? Yeah. This was Yeah, they can definitely participate in the political process whether they are supposed to or

Andrew Wilsonnot. Okay. So that's I mean those are the arguments I guess there. Do you have a position on this at all or

HoneyI don't think I have anything to contribute that hasn't already been said. Um so I don't feel like it's necessary for me to to jump in on that one. Are there any other topics that you

Andrew Wilsonfeel more religion is her thing. Religion. Is there anything Okay, we can do that. with the flow though. So, are there any other people people often lose interest

Honeyon the religion topic? I'm just being honest with you. We can keep it quick too also if that's a concern. Um, I mean sex work is a topic that, you know, I'm passionate about, but I'm not sure if

Honeythat's a tired topic on this podcast. Why are you passionate about it? Um well, I think there are a lot of different viewpoints from different kinds of sex workers

Honeyum on several different topics, whether it comes to legalization or um what's the word I'm looking

Honeyfor? kind of like a a control over that industry that we may or may not have depending on what the circumstances are, such as places where it's legal like

HoneyNevada or whether we're looking at protection for people who work independently, not necessarily on the street, but like online and things like that. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. So, you're making a distinction

Andrew Wilsonbetween um legislating it in multiple multiple ways, right? So, you're talking about are we talking about protecting sex workers or this or that or Yeah, there's

Andrew Wilsonthere can be a lot of opposing viewpoints. Um, I have the 100% number one way to protect sex workers. Ban them. They don't be sex workers. It's one what? 100% effective. Wouldn't you

Honeyagree? Not necessarily. No. Um, no. I don't think I could answer that with just a yes or no. Um, because I think there's slightly more nuance to it. Um, I can

Andrew Wilsononly use where I work currently as an example. Um, where we are very well protected. Um, is there a chance though a chance for a chance for you to in some

Andrew Wilsonway be assaulted or uh something like this through the fact that you're a sex worker? Um, well, there's always that chance is there. But there's a 100% chance that you're not going to be assaulted as a

Andrew Wilsonsex worker if you're not one. Right. Well, I think as a woman there's always a chance, right? But it's not going to be based on the fact that you're in an industry where this is much more common

Honeythan when you're not in the industry. Right. I couldn't give you a percentage, but that could be a fair statement depending. Oh, yeah. It's much more common. Assaults are sex workers, of

Honeycourse. Yeah. Because I can only speak on where I work. Um, you know, the the security is great. We all have business licenses. We receive testing once a week. were background checked by the county.

Andrew WilsonUm whether that be a sheriff's department or a police department, it depends on your Is this one of the ranches? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. So, so the thing is is like um my understanding in those places they have

Andrew Wilsonlike literal guard dogs that they patrol the perimeters with. They have armed security. And I don't know if that's true or not. This is just what I'm told, right? So, I'm sure security there is

Andrew Wilsonbar none fantastic. Do you ever go into a room with a John alone? Yeah. Do you do that as part of your daily course? I don't understand. Do

Andrew Wilsonwhen you go into a room with a John alone, right, is that part does that would would you consider that a routine part of your job? Yes. Yeah. So then

Andrew Wilsonyou're do you usually know these John's? No. No. Okay. So, so then what you're saying is is that yes, this place is really well guarded until you go into a

Andrew Wilsonroom by yourself with a John, right? And then you engage in sexual activity and your chances there of being abused obviously are significantly higher than if you were not in the room with the

Honeystranger having sex with them, right? Yeah. I would say it also depends on what kind of services you're offering as well. That can make a big difference in why consider the odds. But just like

Andrew Wilsonbeing in the room with the John, doing anything sexual is going to increase your chances of being assaulted. Right. That chance is always there. Yeah. So I have a my 100% foolproof way to make

Andrew Wilsonsure that you because I care about you never get assaulted again is that you never do sex work. And then I can guarantee that you'll never be in a room with a strange man again unless it's by

Savannah (Tucson)some valition of your own. Not because you need money where that man will assault you. What about Only Fans? So what about it? So I mean obviously there

Savannah (Tucson)is a point uh in person sex work you're alone with a random man. That can be scary. Um

Savannah (Tucson)only fans though, how can that be dangerous? Uh parasocial relationships. So, okay, that So, let's

Andrew Wilsonsee if we can untangle this, right? I'm positive, right, in my streaming career, I I have at least some people who probably have a parasocial relationship with me. You know what that term means,

Andrew Wilsonright? Yeah. Yeah. Uh there's nothing I can do about that. That's going to come with the territory. I take so the only thing I can do is be as responsible as I

Andrew Wilsonpossibly can do or be by if such a relationship bubbles and I can see it by putting the kibos on it right saying things like I'm not your friend I'm not your buddy right I'm I'm just an

Andrew Wilsonentertainer you happen to be a fan right this parasocial kind of relationship not that I haven't had fans that have become friends because they have right but I'm just saying generally speaking I try to

Andrew Wilsonput the kibos on that immediately right away from your angle though, right? A par a parasocial relationship is going to be way way more likely

Andrew Wilsonbecause of the nature because the nature of what you're doing. So that puts you at a higher elevated risk in comparison to even other people in similar industries. But I I also I don't use my

Savannah (Tucson)um my name or anything, my real name. So um and do you think that would stop people? I think it would make it a little bit harder. Sure. Um, but I I mean I've been doing it for a while. I

Andrew Wilsonthink some people definitely do have a parasocial relationship with me. I was just watching a story this morning. Uh, there was a a guy, I don't remember his name, but he was like a bald dude and he

Andrew Wilsondeveloped a parasocial relationship with an Only Fans girl and he began to spend his family's credit card money. I think I've seen that. Yeah. Yeah. Started spending his family's money on her. He became completely obsessed. He became

Andrew Wilsontotally iate. And when they tried to put the kibos on the relationship, he was so invested that he actually murders his entire family in order to continue this relationship. Right now, I'm willing to

Andrew Wilsongrant, right, that there are musicians and other people out there who are so ridiculously famous that there's deranged fans who would do something similar with them and they're not in sex

Savannah (Tucson)work. I'm just stating that the chances of it are way higher in your industry. And wouldn't that be part of my responsibility as well though, like being on the internet to make sure these

Savannah (Tucson)people don't get connected to me in that way or attached to me in that way? Cuz I I do try Well, I think the nature of what you do is to try to create this

Andrew Wilsonkind of relationship literally on purpose. So, and this is all by the nature of the work itself. It's not saying so I I'm gonna try to be charitable here. I think you can. You're

Andrew WilsonYou try to divorce yourself. Me the What's your name? I'm sorry. Savannah. Savannah. Savannah. Savannah. That Savannah the person is trying to divorce herself from Savannah the sex worker.

Andrew WilsonThese are two different people. When Savannah the sex worker is doing sex work, that's not really who she is. She's this whole other person who likes flowers and unicorns and pretty nails or

Andrew Wilsonwhatever the it is, right? like whatever that person is is not this person. But this person who does do the sex work is being provocative, trying on

Andrew Wilsonpurpose to be seductive, trying on purpose in order to make a person feel a certain way, a certain connection so that they open up their wallet and give you money. Okay? Right? And I think that

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