04:41:47Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)had they just interested different things I mean I don't know like I feel like I'm just thinking of my own future and like girls I've talked to and it's just do you know any girls that want to
04:41:59Brian Atlasdo construction no but I don't know any guys that want to do construction either so it's like Andrew this is an I'm sort of changing topics a little bit here
04:42:10Brian AtlasAndrew this is a an argument I heard so um you know when it comes to the whole like doing sex work only fans thing an argument I've heard from the other side which I think is actually fairly
04:42:21Brian Atlascompelling is is that there's this criticism of women who do only Fan sex work you're selling your body why would you sell your body uh and I guess of
04:42:32Brian Atlascourse it's of a sexual nature but is it any more uh I'm trying to think how they typically frame it they'll say that for for example men who work construction or
04:42:44Brian Atlaselectricians or these jobs that tend to be uh you know they result in injuries they result in back problems back breaking work uh is that really any
04:42:55Brian Atlasbetter in terms of the damage that's being done to their bodies now in terms from like a social perspective it's more respectable but in terms of like the Damage Done is it really like to work 40
04:43:06TTS/Chat reader50 years and like end up at the end of your life with like catastrophic donated $72 ladies I'm an auto worker in Michigan if you were offered
04:43:18TTS/Chat reader$100,000 per year would you work in an auto Factory in the summertime getting as hot as 100° with no air conditioning no no it's harder than that
04:43:29TTS/Chat readersome of hell no Donna 64 donated $69 okay I guess on Andrew's chill stream this week do you consider the act of sex to be a skill objectively you
04:43:41Andrew Wilsonasked it to Andrew on on a on a previous stream he asked it to you or is this for the panel yeah he he asked me uh but yeah he's asking the panel if
04:43:52Brian Atlasthey consider it a sure we'll do that uh is sex is the act of sex a skill
04:44:02Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)objectively I suppose you could be good it's yeah like no I don't get how to answer that no well it goes right
04:44:15Andrew Wilsonalong with your with your counterargument so you were you're making um this actually a really old argument for sex workers which is um what about boxers the question BEC comes
04:44:27Andrew Wilsonwhat about boxers so boxers will go in and they will damage the [ __ ] out of their body for short-term gains just like women will if they think that the gains are enough that damaging their
04:44:39Andrew Wilsonbody is worth doing whatever that thing is right that's basically what your argument is my argument or yours are we going back to your initial argument but this it feeds right into the skill issue
04:44:50Andrew Wilsonthe skill thing okay yeah but isn't that what your argument is is that men will also engage in this high-risk Behavior Uh short term for uh significant rewards
04:45:01Andrew Wilsonjust like sex workers right uh yeah basically yeah yeah yeah yeah so then the question becomes what is work
04:45:11Andrew Wilsonwhat is work and so this is why it's being asked what is skill so what is a skill is it a skill to be able to give the bestest [ __ ] ever and then monetize it that's what's being
04:45:30TTS/Chat readerasked David Ms donated $69 men love to be around women if a woman could build as well as a man she would get the job I've on hiring boards
04:45:42TTS/Chat readercountless times the underqualified woman was hired history major SL indoctrination okay thank you David appreciate it
04:45:52Brian Atlasum it's not a skill to have sex in front of a camera no that's not a skill but I suppose one
04:46:00Brian AtlasI suppose one could be better than another at a at sex or specific sex act I agree with that
04:46:13Brian Atlasnow I would say I just to add on to that I mean people's orgasm response tends to differ although men's tends to be a bit more uh narrow as compared to women who have quite a wide response there
04:46:26TTS/Chat readerJamestown donated $69 out Brian why don't you just date Pearl just pearly things I think I'm a bit too pale for her to be honest um she
04:46:38Brian Atlasseems to prefer she only dates black eyes doesn't she I don't think she would date has she been on the show uh yeah she's been on the show Once uh yeah I'm too pale sorry
04:46:50Brian AtlasPearl I'm too pale for you sorry melan yeah you know too pale um but uh you want a tanning bed no I don't think that the tanning bed will
04:47:00Brian Atlasdo it not going to do it for Pearl uh no Pearl's a friend she's cool I like Pearl um you can hang out with my boyfriend for a little bit wait if I hung out with your boyfriend yeah you said likes black guys wait oh Pearl should hang out with
04:47:13Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)your boyfriend no you should hang out with my boyfriend and wait because he's black yeah and then he' like rub off on you a little bit that's not how skin color Works son I just if she so she just likes black guys because of their skin color because they're darker well I
04:47:26Brian Atlasdon't know if I don't know you'd have to ask Pearl but I she has a track record of dating black dudes I don't know [ __ ] don't please also your boyfriend
04:47:38Brian Atlasdon't if I meet him he can't try to dap me up why I [ __ ] hate these guys who are like oh let me not do a handshake let me do the [ __ ] DB bro like I can't I'm too I'm I listen to [ __ ]
04:47:51Brian AtlasPearl yeah Frankie tried to [ __ ] dab dab me up dab I don't know what's F dab is it dab or dab dab yeah you tried to dab me up I'm like please don't do this
04:48:01Brian AtlasNick I was traumatized for no look I want I'll do a handshake I'll do a fist bump I'll even do an elbow don't don't do the don't put me in this awkward position where I got to that [ __ ] I
04:48:13Brian Atlascan't I don't know how to do that [ __ ] you just did it what the [ __ ] bro no give me a [ __ ] I listen to Pearl Jam give me a [ __ ] handshake please Stone Temple Pilots is pretty
04:48:25Brian Atlasgood too bro you can't I'm sorry boys I'm trying to buy a a flannel from a lesbian okay what you think I know how to dab you think I know how to dab
04:48:35Brian Atlaspeople up okay it's a great flannel by the way where can't can somebody in the chat [ __ ] find it for me so I can buy it wait she says hold on I got something
04:48:46Andrew Wilsonhere wait what were we talking about sorry Andrew continue with your point Josie this is not the FL I just want to let you know um my understanding is that Pearl also does like white guys
04:48:58Brian Atlas[Music] oh what's up girl how you doing she'd be perfect I'm just saying you you wouldn't come after me for child support what's up Pearl
04:49:12Brian Atlasuh well and Brian and she's Rich oh should we just pump out Pearl should we just pump out a couple kids and I'll just dip and are you gonna give her child support
04:49:25Brian Atlasno she say I think she I think she'd make you sign a prenup right yeah for real oh I she's not I'd have to sign the prenup yes how rich is is she Rich she got demonetized did
04:49:36Brian Atlasshe did she get demonetized um I think she does okay I think she doing good yeah no prup we will get married I'll divorce her after 10 years California
04:49:48Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)alimony what's up Pearl what's up all right what were we talking about dabbing up dab dabbing up people I can't do it come you're going to have you're going to have beautiful redheaded children if
04:49:58Brian Atlashe ever meets my boyfriend he we're going to have very pale tall Red Ginger children Ginger children probably Ginger Ginger children who um
04:50:13Brian AtlasI think Pearl would be a good mom I think she'd be a great mom she'd be a good mom you know yeah I'll be like the stay-at home Dad she goes out does the work right no actually I don't think she'd be done for
04:50:26Andrew Wilsonthat okay I'm kidding I'm kidding okay all right sorry Pearl we're we're friends we're friends um what were we talking about flannels no we were talking about I mean that kind of sounded very um sounded like a proposal going there Brian where's theing guys
04:50:39Andrew Wilsonwhat's going is there some guys are you trying to match make here this I'm hearing I'm hearing a lot of cross chatter in the chats about the Pearl
04:50:49Brian AtlasDavis Brian Atlas well per uh look look you know um Brian and pearl I'm just uh it it would be
04:51:01Brian Atlassome power couple [ __ ] it would be some power couple [ __ ] you know it'd be power couple um but she's got to pump out like seven sons you know so seven seven seven
04:51:11Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)sons that's what's that's what's up why no child support though why huh why seven are you being for real what's wrong with seven sons yeah what's it's
04:51:22Brian Atlasnot the sons part but you want seven kids children in a man's youth are like arrows in the quiver of a warrior what is this Game of Thrones like where's this coming no that's
04:51:35Brian Atlasthat's a [ __ ] Bible verse son right Andrew right which one is that I I you know I'm actually not sure hold on let me let me
04:51:46Brian AtlasGoogle it for you Andrew okay uh hold on you mean for yourself arrows in a is it like is it Proverbs maybe Proverbs let
04:51:55Brian Atlasme see this [ __ ] it's hold on Psalms 127 okay 27 127 3 to 5 new uh like arrows in the hand of a warrior so are the
04:52:06Brian Atlaschildren of one's youth happy is the man who has his quiver full of them they shall they shall not be ashamed but shall speak with their enemies in the
04:52:17Andrew Wilsongate not sure how that's related but okay so you have sons to go like destroy your enemies basically yeah like arrows
04:52:24Andrew Wilsonin the quiver yeah yeah exactly some giant pale ginger Sons sign me up I don't know though I don't think that Pearl would want you to have any
04:52:35Andrew Wilsondaughters though Brian she might she might dislike them instantly that's why no no daughters no daughters just men only yeah I'm fine with that you'd
04:52:46TTS/Chat readeractually want seven children though seven children get it right Madison s donated $69 using your body to build SL maintain roads enriches everyone's lives by them
04:52:57TTS/Chat readerbeing able to go to work go on trips or EMS access sure using your body for of just propagates degeneracy I yes I see
04:53:08Brian Atlasyour argument but I don't think it really addresses the the argument about the damage it does on the micro individual level to the individual
04:53:18Brian Atlasthemselves so you can look at the external damage it does obviously construction workers are not causing any external damage unless they're like doing a shitty [ __ ] job and the
04:53:28Brian Atlasbuilding collapses like we saw in Florida recently no I mean they're basically doing the opposite of external damage right no they're yeah no they're
04:53:38Brian Atlasfor externally they're uh it's a it's positive uh but uh it occurs to me when when the argument comes up like okay if you're looking at the micro individual
04:53:50Brian Atlaslevel you're harming yourself if you're involved in sex work the compelling argument I've heard is like well in terms of the damage you're potentially
04:54:00Brian Atlasdoing like you have these men who work backbreaking [ __ ] work and they have like severe disability later in life their knees are [ __ ] up their
04:54:12Brian Atlasshoulders are [ __ ] up ankles back neck [ __ ] up chronic pain I have chronic pain issues so I [ __ ] know I got I'm icing my [ __ ] all the time I know about
04:54:22Brian Atlaschronic pain it's not [ __ ] good and these guys um doing this kind of work damage their body and uh is it really like these girls who do o again I'm not I'm not even I'm just sort of Playing
04:54:34Brian Atlasdevil's advocate here these girls who do only fans and sex work let's say they make millions of dollars over the course of 5 years granted I realize that's not the case for most of these women they have may a lot of them aren't even
04:54:47Brian Atlashaving sex with men they're just doing solo content they can still make millions of dollars tons of money compared to the man who has to work for 40 50 years and he's got [ __ ] chronic
04:54:58Brian Atlasback pain I mean I can see why look even as women like working a desk job for 50 [ __ ] years that's that sitting is bad for you
04:55:07Brian Atlastoo just sitting in the [ __ ] office lethargic jobs I mean I kind of I see I kind of see it a little bit you know what I mean not it's look I'm not co-signing
04:55:19Andrew WilsonI'm not co-signing sex work no no no I understand but let's like let's test it for a second right yeah so Brian Atlas has a daughter no she can't do that [ __ ]
04:55:31Andrew Wilsonlet's just say he did she did let's say you had a daughter you had a daughter and you could see into a crystal ball that she was either going to have to work a desk job for 60 years or she would become a multi-millionaire within
04:55:43Brian Atlas2 years of online prostitution what would you tell her disown but why well it brings dishonor on family
04:55:54Brian Atlasfamily excuse me it brings dishonor on family sorry I got I have um let's say um let's say there was no social taboo anymore no social taboo
04:56:04Andrew Wilsonyeah still disown still disown still disown yeah so that tells me that there's something intuitive here with that is telling you that this is still bad in spite of the comparison of self
04:56:17Andrew Wilsonharm so you're saying okay yeah there's self harm in this category self harm in this category but for some reason this one is still clearly worse to you why why would that
04:56:28TTS/Chat readerbe well again my position is I'm not like co-signing on sex work I'm just from that no I understand that you're not I'm we're just purely in like hypothetical nion donated $100 yeah men
04:56:40TTS/Chat readerare sacrificing their bodies for the greater good of society of women are attributing to degenerative Behavior and the collapse of men therefore Society at
04:56:50Andrew Wilsonlarge men don't be weak this is the great counter right the reason that you intuitively know and he hit the nail on the head before we're going with this the reason that he that this chatter
04:57:02Andrew Wilsonunderstands and you understand dishonor verse honor what brings people honor is sacrifice as what people honor inside of society so they would consider um construction worker person like this to
04:57:14Andrew Wilsonbe in some ways Noble that's why we think our military service members right because they're sacrificing putting the ultimate on the line as a sacrifice for the rest of us that's why we honor them that's what the whole point is so when
04:57:27Andrew Wilsonyou're talking about dishonor that's why you don't do it that's why your intuition tells you even if Society itself no longer made this a social taboo you still understand that there's no sacrifice so therefore there's no
04:57:39Andrew Wilsonhonor what's being done that's why you don't like it that's why it's distasteful that's why people reject it yeah I mean I look I
04:57:50Brian Atlasuh despite this thing where it's like well men through the work that they do tend to damage their body too I'm not saying that that is a total would be a total
04:58:01Brian Atlasjustification for engaging in sex work I just think it's actually when it comes to the micro micro individual level of well they're damaging themselves uh either body or mind yes I
04:58:15Andrew Wilsonunderstand what you're saying you're saying as the heart of the argument if the argument is just but this hurts you then the counterargument is yeah but this hurts you too but really this is only if you grant this as being the
04:58:27Andrew Wilsonproblem sure and I don't I don't gr grant that self harm is the issuance of prostitution it's just one of many problems but rather what is Noble about it what is good about it what does it
04:58:39Andrew Wilsonperpetu inside of society versus what it doesn't whereas if all of your sons were construction workers and they all made minimum wage you'd be happy to sit at a table with them and break bread for a
04:58:51Brian Atlasreason word word uh okay let me ask let me run through a couple other questions here then we'll do the chaos roast section and then we're going to probably wrap up
04:59:01Brian Atlastry to wrap up well not immediately but we got a bit more to get through so hold on let me pull up my notes here actually really quick guys go to twitch.tv whatever
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04:59:23Brian Atlasthank you so we are do we do the man wait did we should we debate the man vers bear thing for a little bit what do you think Andrew yeah or name how you feeling on
04:59:34Andrew Wilsonthat one yeah name I say let's Man versus Barrett dude let's just let's go ask the question again I'm going to take a leak real quick I'll be right back okay so just one more time uh would you
04:59:46TTS/Chat readerrather be in the forest loose [ __ ] energy donated $69 p face CEO recently said fnf will
04:59:57TTS/Chat readercollab with whatever pod is this true would you really do a collab after how much they [ __ ] they talked about you and the Pod # bigad 8 #f free Nick oh I
05:00:09Brian Atlasthink this is kind of in reference to you know having Daisy on the show uh just to be clear like I wasn't doing that in furtherance of like trying to
05:00:19Brian Atlassecure a collab or anything I just whenever I see uh someone being treated unfairly in which case this was this was uh
05:00:28Brian AtlasWalter uh even if I you know there was some fairly minor inconsequential disagreements or beef that existed there I'm still going to defend somebody if I feel like there been treated unfairly
05:00:41Brian Atlasand in this case I think the treatment was pretty egregious on Daisy's part my I'm kind of a I don't know if I'm an OG or old school on this but you don't go
05:00:50Brian Atlaspublic when it comes to friends family and like relationships you don't do that it was just so I wanted $69 how many of the women on this panel
05:01:02TTS/Chat readerwould give something they hold dear instead of a bear attacked them versus a man wait how many of the women on this panel would give something they hold dear instead of a bear wait what does
05:01:12Brian Atlasanybody understand this question no would give something that instead of a bear wait that makes no
05:01:25Brian Atlassense so it's like would you rather be in the forest with something you hold dear or a man what that's I don't know how to interpret
05:01:37Brian Atlasthat get booped I appreciate your message you're going to have to clarify a little bit um you'll have to send another one I apologize um so just going
05:01:47TTS/Chat readeraround what's everybody's answers to the man vers bear uh bear bear bear bad just general donated
05:01:57TTS/Chat reader$69 sweetheart I bought you a proper sweatshirt I work construction I shot a nail through my thumb this year the damage is real but what we create is
05:02:08Andrew Wilsonworth every pain than okay well uh just Gerald uh don't shoot yourself in the hand with a nail gun you [ __ ] idiot and I and by the way just so you know all of your
05:02:20Brian Atlasco-workers who are laughing at you don't even talk any [ __ ] because you would have laughed at them too like let's face it you would have laughed at them too I don't don't even blame you don't even blame you well thank you just Gerald I
05:02:34Brian Atlasthink that's Dane thank you man appreciate it could see you in the chat uh what didn't you say bear before yeah wait the mic the mic oh yeah well now it has to be man wait why did you
05:02:44Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)change it cuz you don't want to get smoked by Andrew uh no I don't want to get smoked by the bear you know oh okay so you change your mind really quick uh
05:02:54Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)man yeah man man is it just you two on the bear okay why uh I mean I grew up with my aunt and
05:03:04Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)uncle a lot going to their cabin up in like um Los Angeles Forest Area and and like we would feed the Bears all the time and like we'd watch them come in like in the front porch and we'd open
05:03:17Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)the door and like they were right there so I have a very like comfortable feeling around animals and stuff so I mean I feel like it's pretty easy Choice compared to like just a stranger do you
05:03:29Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)think all bears are like that babe probably not but like I don't know so don't you feel like you could like at least talk to a man
05:03:39Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)yeah but are like are we saying like if you're in the woods and you see a man walking towards you there's or even just a woman like a stranger there's just a sense of fear [ __ ] I'd be fearful if a bear was in the woods and I was like
05:03:52Brian Atlaswalking through I'd be way more scared of a bear to be honest with you yeah or think about it like wait hold on let's get your answer too before we go in uh why um I don't know I mean it's the
05:04:05Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)middle of the woods the bear is supposed to be there like not necessarily the man so I would feel more afraid you're stuck in the woods you're not supposed to be
05:04:15Andrew Wilsonthere oh you're um Let me let me ask you two this then both of you are trapped in the woods with a bear that is the heart
05:04:26Andrew Wilsonof the question if a random man who you did not know could get you out of the situation though you did not know who he was you did not know even if he could get you out of the situation would you ask him
05:04:39Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)for help yeah I mean I I think it'd be stupid not to but like if I'm like if a guy or a bear are like posing a threat like I
05:04:49Brian Atlasfeel like the bear is like I would just rather go out that way for some reason but you're you're assuming that the man would hurt you cuz so here the scenario is random
05:05:01Brian Atlasbear random man so if you're plucking a random man out of the entire population population of the USA you could very well for example Rand L pluck out a man who you like and Trust I don't know if
05:05:14Brian Atlasyou have a good relation like Father brother this hypothetical is a stranger though right well random man so yes statistically it' be very unlikely that this random randomly falls on somebody
05:05:25Brian Atlasyou know let's assume it's it's a random stranger yeah yeah I'd still go bear still go Bear yeah okay yeah so if but but I want you to think about this
05:05:37Andrew Wilsonthough you're trapped in the woods with a bear versus a man you don't know why would you then appeal to a man you don't know to rescue you from that
05:05:49Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)situation I mean if he's like watching someone get attacked and is like oh I can help you no he hasn't said anything he's just a random guy that you see walking through the forest that's it
05:06:02Andrew Wilsonyou're trapped you're trapped you're trapped in this forest with the bear would you appeal to him to assist you in your rescue that you were no longer trapped in the forest with a bear I mean
05:06:12Andrew Wilsonyeah sure I'll appeal to him yeah but then that that that to me is nonsensical because if you would appeal to the stranger to rescue you from the situation with the bear then why
05:06:24Andrew Wilsonwouldn't your preference just to be to be trapped with the stranger to begin with I don't I don't get it I don't know like stranger danger it's what you're taught from like kindergarten but the
05:06:35Brian Atlasguy rescuing you also is a stranger or who has only the potential to rescue you it's still a stranger well wait I have a question though haven't you guys well maybe not
05:06:48Brian Atlasso much you but I mean you said you've had a couple casual hookups with guys those were like random stranger men weren't they well yeah but after talking to them
05:07:01Brian Atlasfor a little bit I realized that they weren't like a crazy serial killer so well how would you know I mean I guess I wouldn't know yeah there's some very Charming like Predators out there you
05:07:13Brian Atlasknow what like T Bund it wasn't Ted Bundy like kind of charming or whatever I don't know um I do have a question we I don't want to linger too long on the bear thing I'm sure you agree with this
05:07:24Brian Atlason Andrew but uh here I'll read this Ben Jorge saying a man or human doesn't belong in the woods but bear does is saying that humans aren't a part of nature thank you Ben George for the Super Chat man appreciate it well put
05:07:37Andrew Wilsonwell put I do have a question for those of you who said bear on this which is actually kind of interesting because you said that you were like up in a cabin all the time where your aunt and uncle lived you would assume that they were part of the natural order of things
05:07:50Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)there right yeah I I don't think I said that no I'm not saying you did but you would assume that right oh yeah for the most part like the neighbors and everything
05:08:02Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)they all kind of got along well with nature they treated it with respect and it treated them with respect in return right okay uh I have a thought on this
05:08:12Brian Atlasso here's a question statistically uh women abuse human children and babies far more than bears do so is it safer to leave your baby in the woods with a bear instead of a
05:08:26Brian Atlaswoman um I think that like no like it doesn't compute no but the argument I typically hear is well men have a
05:08:37Brian Atlasproclivity which is some a very small minority of men but uh some men small minority of them have a proclivity towards violence and that's the
05:08:48Brian Atlasjustification women use for saying I would rather be with a bear than with a man in the forest random
05:08:59Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)man I don't know I think it's just like there could be violence from a bear or a man but the aspect of rape is only present with a man so like that's the
05:09:09Andrew Wilsonmain issue oh just say sa it's fine it's fine you didn't you didn't know um can I ask this just a slightly different way because I was curious about this the other night let me ask you this question differently if you were trapped in the
05:09:21Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)middle of an ocean on a raft with a man you didn't know or being circled by a great white shark which would you prefer then I actually love sharks I have a
05:09:32Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)tattoo of sharks on my rib so the shark for theark I think I'm just like a nature freak I've been so guaranteed death they're actually pretty peaceful
05:09:43Brian Atlasnot when they're hungry yeah circling the scenario is circling white eat you he's just going to jump and you're menstrating you're alone
05:09:57Brian Atlasand let's throw that caveat in there yeah still taking still taking the Sharks you have a shark tattoo yeah
05:10:07Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)right here is it gray white or uh it's a golop GH I swam with them like two summers ago oh it's a golop GH shark and I swam with them question what about
05:10:18Brian Atlasthis would you rather be alone with a like a random man in a room or a bear 10 by 10 room probably the man at that
05:10:30Brian Atlaspoint yeah I guess I would say the man okay changes the the venue changes things up here a little bit um let's see
05:10:39Brian Atlashere any uh I think we just get into the you got qu you got a question Andrew you got any questions you want to ask them maybe dating related just so we can
05:10:48Andrew Wilsonbe talk about dating yeah there was one thing I I I was curious about um would you be more or less likely going around the table to date a man who was religious or
05:11:03Andrew Wilsonnon-religious well she doesn't date men a woman yeah but I mean I mean okay women whatever however you want to frame it up oh so it could be a woman okay
05:11:13TTS/Chat readeryeah yeah um closer to the mic if you can oh hold on just a sec so flow act
05:11:19TTS/Chat reader954 donated $69 in El says find a father and give more than just pom poom so says Brian invite me on the show I could help
05:11:31TTS/Chat readerhumble these 304s from coast to coast 305 to the 304 we call them strumpets we call them strumpets uh yo sofo thank you man
05:11:44Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)appreciate the uh the message appreciate it man uh you're inter the question you prefer uh uh probably just non-religious because I come from a like non-religious family so I think it would just be
05:11:55Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)easier to connect on that level what about you yeah I don't know I don't think that would really matter too much to me but I do come from a more non-religious background so I'd probably connect more with somebody who wasn't
05:12:08Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)religious also so okay I do uh my family I grew up in a Catholic Family I wouldn't I wouldn't say like I
05:12:19Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)would want to date somebody religious but I also I wouldn't want to date somebody who didn't believe in God if that makes sense I would if I don't care if they're Christian catholic whatever
05:12:29Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)they are but they had to believe in God or a higher power can I oh um I would rather do someone who was religious because I
05:12:41Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)think having a relationship with God is important I grew up not too religious I would go to church every now and then but I would like um a man who wants to find a stronger relationship with God
05:12:53Andrew Wilsonand help me do that as well amen now going back around the panel for a quick follow-up question for this the Cur my curiosity is then assume that you're
05:13:03Andrew Wilsonmarried to a man or woman right what whatever it may be and uh um they were not religious but found religion and wanted you to participate would it be a deal
05:13:18Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)breaker uh no like I'm open to religion I've just never like my family never explored it much so I never like had the means to do it
05:13:30Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)okay yeah I think a similar answer so probably no like I would if it's something you're interested in then I would want to support them in that okay I'd be happy for them to be
05:13:42Andrew Wilsonreligious but it's not I wouldn't have the same beliefs as them that you wouldn't participate with them no cuz if I was it'd be fake because I wouldn't believe in it okay so
05:13:55Bonnie Bluewould that be a deal breaker for you if they wanted you to participate um I'd be happy to join in with them but I just wouldn't have the same beliefs so it'd be more down to
05:14:05Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)them okay me personally I'm not I'm not going to go against anything that I believe you know I'm not if I believe it that's what
05:14:17Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)I I that's what I'm going to stand on okay um I think I would if he wants to we're on the same page so whatever he
05:14:27Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)wants is fine whatever he wants would so you would convert to his religion ye I mean if he if he wants to marry me that bad and I want to marry him I don't see why that would be a problem what if he
05:14:39Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)was a Muslim I wouldn't put myself in that situation because I've never dated a Muslim guy no no no but that's why I said he found religion
05:14:53Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)later if it was like yeah I would still do it just because I F I would feel like you would still convert I still I feel like I would have to if that's my husband and if he wants if that's what
05:15:04Andrew Wilsonhe wants we come as a unit so now you're I'm I I mean I assum to this um but I'm guessing you're at least some some kind of Christian correct mhm but wouldn't
05:15:15Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)that be a complete and total violation if you converted over to Islam from Christianity on behalf of uh of your man of course it would be considered that
05:15:25Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)yeah but again if it's if he's like I'm going to find this religion and you can come on the journey with me or you can not be with me then I would feel like I have to stick
05:15:36Andrew Wilsonwith him so you would essenti compromise your religious beliefs for a man yeah yeah okay for my man all right
05:15:48Andrew Wilsonfor your man yeah yeah yes well that that's that's the reason I ask this is because you know we talk a lot about submission patriarchy that kind of thing right but maybe there are times when
05:15:58Andrew Wilsonit's appropriate for a woman to say no and not submit and I would think that one of those times might be if uh if their man converted to the opposite of of what their religion was mid
05:16:10Andrew Wilsonrelationship that creates quite a conundrum inside of the relationship right picking between Jesus Christ or Not Jesus Christ oh yeah for sure um I think that would be a really difficult
05:16:22Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)situation but you know if that's my person and I really felt like that for them and that was who I wanted to be with the rest of my life I wouldn't let
05:16:32Brian Atlasreligion stop it from happening okay all right got a couple questions and then we'll head into to the uh we'll do a uh chaos roast
05:16:44Brian Atlassection let me see here let me just get my notes going here by the way I've had my Army trying to find the flannel no
05:16:53Brian Atlasluck it's probably you know you want to sell it I'll buy it off you you down it's not even going to fit you doesn't matter I'll I'll like do like a 90s like
05:17:03Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)tied around the waist thing um I I I can't sell it like I don't know it's just comfy it's her staple yeah it's not my friend literally
05:17:13Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)just my friend just gave it to me like oh yesterday oh so it's new like is it was it brand new was hers and then she was like oh she gave it to you yeah and she was like I'm getting this is a come
05:17:23Brian Atlasup for you I'll [ __ ] I'll buy it how much sorry 20 bucks no 50 bucks no 69
05:17:33Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)bucks no that FL will probably cost like I'm sure it was cheap but like what if he gave you 304 bucks hey what that's a bit M Pro probably not you wouldn't even
05:17:46Brian Atlasdo it for three man that's crazy I I have I have money you got money you're good yeah I'm pretty I'm okay I'm determined to I need
05:17:56Brian Atlasthe 100 bucks I cash I'll [ __ ] give you cash right now 100 bucks for the flannel what about it intrigues you so much I don't know
05:18:07Brian Atlasit's looks cool you like the color I like the color I'm a flannel guy I like the the it's like the black it's the black gray what if I find you one I can
05:18:17Brian Atlasfind you one I'm very specific about my flannels I want that flannel I I don't even need yours I just want that color the same exact style exactly that one we
05:18:29Brian Atlascannot find the [ __ ] anywhere I sent my [ __ ] peeps they wouldn't they couldn't find it [ __ ] Josie find that [ __ ] get get [ __ ] on it Josie will be
05:18:40Brian Atlaslike oh I got this no problem and she'll she send me like a [ __ ] like flannel that doesn't even look like it really damn it Josie God damn it Josie all right uh find it for me
05:18:51Brian Atlasboys do I get a finders fee find it oh you're GNA find it yeah I'll give you finders Fe all right okay hold on oh okay getting into
05:19:00Brian Atlasmy by the way I got I got a link to the shirt wa you do Andrew got it like to buy it because like we found it on yeah no I I got it it was just dm'd over to
05:19:10Brian Atlasme so I could send can you send it to me wait send it to me bro send it to me okay uh let's see just really quick like um who here's we already asked the other people who are here but we just got to
05:19:22Brian Atlasrepeat it uh who who here considers themselves a feminist starting with you um yeah yeah I guess
05:19:31Brian Atlasso oh you can reans if you want yeah yes feminist no no okay uh would you date a woman in your case or would you date a man who was not a
05:19:43Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)feminist um probably not probably not okay uh I don't think so [Music]
05:19:54Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)um I I don't understand the question what what would you say would you date a man who was not a feminist I so you're a feminist would you date someone who
05:20:06Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)wasn't um I don't know I I don't really know if I'm that feminist uh I I I don't know I I don't it I feel like it just depends how somebody's uh demeanor and like how
05:20:19Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)like how they with their what their traits are in that state you know what I'm saying like if
05:20:29Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)they're yeah I'm losing it but I don't know I I can't really answer that question cuz I'm not feminist I don't think wait hold on you just said I don't know if I am or if I'm not I don't I
05:20:39Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)honestly I don't think so like CU if we think about it like if a boy I don't I wouldn't agree if a boy to hit a woman you know what I'm saying I think we all agree that that's
05:20:51Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)not yeah but but but some people would sit there and think like if a woman were to keep hitting on a man what do think he would have the right to hit that
05:21:02Brian Atlasfemale okay wait hold on so you're saying is this like a even a feminist talking Point like kind of yeah wait so if if a woman hits a man it's wrong for the man to hit back no I'm saying yeah
05:21:14Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)do you feel like that do you feel like a man has a right to hit the female back or no if the woman hits the man if yes like okay so if the yes yeah if she starts it yeah she starts it and she's
05:21:26Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)still like hitting a man and the man's like you know like have you had this happen to you uh like have you beat up on your your guys no I don't do that I don't know it kind of sounds like you beat up on men no I'm just like I just
05:21:39Brian Atlasthink about things like that like you know uh i' I've seen it like okay so look I don't think anybody should be hitting anybody but here's the reality as a woman if you put your hands on a
05:21:49Brian Atlasman you shouldn't be surprised if a man smacks you back okay I I I don't think like I think a man should try to you know try to get out of the situation CU it's not like just the way the social
05:22:01Brian Atlasclimate is like even if you it's self-defense H man optically it's it's going to be bad yeah with some of the DV laws like if even if the woman's the
05:22:12Brian Atlasinstigate instigator uh I think it's called [ __ ] what's this uh there's a specific [ __ ] a [ __ ] it's related to DV but they like
05:22:25Brian Atlashave to arrest somebody and they'll arrest they'll always arrest the dude even if it's the woman who's beating up on him so what is that it's a not by the way I sent you the link to that flannel
05:22:35Brian Atlasright on where messages or Discord Discord okay I'll have to check it later uh [ __ ] what's that term Nick could you pop the chat up
05:22:48Brian Atlasthey'll know they'll know what I'm looking for show us the chat uh yo chat what what's that thing when it comes to DV stuff there's a
05:22:56Brian Atlasspecific duth thank you uh the duth model uh okay so yeah I don't think people should be hitting each other but like
05:23:08Brian Atlasif you hit a man like I you might get hit back you might get hit back I think a lot of men though are taught like yo even if some chick's beating on you you still don't
05:23:18Brian Atlashit back but like you shouldn't be hitting a man right I agree you are you are no longer a lady if you're putting your hands on a man so
05:23:28Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)exactly but it sounds like you object you would object to a man hitting back no I wouldn't because I look at it like this I'm confused okay but I'm just I that was just a prime example but I'm
05:23:40Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)saying like cuz I look at it like this if a woman were to hit my son you know and my son was like stop stop and like you know and he like he told the whatever and then like I wouldn't agree
05:23:51Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)with my son technically putting his hands on a woman but like pushing a woman maybe off of him or something I could see that a little more but I agree like kind of what you said uh don't put
05:24:02Abby/Single Mom (multiple guests)your don't hit a man and expect not to get hit what's that saying you don't want none they're wait you don't treat I don't know wait you don't want [ __ ] don't start I don't know we just going
05:24:14Brian Atlasto go with the golden roll treat others the way you want to be treated yeah um like it wouldn't surprise me if a woman was like trying to attack a man me neither that she there's a chance I mean
05:24:25Brian Atlasa lot of guys are that been taught from a young age you never hit a woman yeah probably guys who maybe they they've even been taught that but they're like you hit them like if you poke the barar
05:24:37Brian Atlasyeah you poke the be enough like eventually like I've seen these videos where these guys are just taking standing there taking abuse from a woman and the woman keeps [ __ ] like hitting him punching him kicking him in the nuts
05:24:50Brian Atlasand then he [ __ ] snaps and finally hits her back I've seen [ __ ] like that you're not supposed to hit her like why did you do that so a lot of guys have a lot of patience on that front you um
05:25:00Brian Atlaswait so okay uh feminist so feminist feminist uh you would not date a man who wasn't a feminist and I think this is all just related to dating because you
05:25:10Brian Atlasobviously want to have you know shared values with your partner um really quick just like what's your two uh definition of feminism um just like thinking women
05:25:22Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)should be financially independent okay what about you yeah I would give a similar definition just uh
05:25:31Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)women achieving equality with men and do women not currently have equality with men no I don't think
05:25:43Brian Atlasso wait when you say that do you mean no women do not have equality no okay and what and what about you um I mean there's inequality in like
05:25:53Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)certain aspects of life but I think that's just inherent to anything so what are the in what ways do women not have equality well we have progressed a lot
05:26:04Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)as a society that I I feel but there is still I believe like the gender pay Gap is still kind of a thing um and then also you got something on this Kelly um
05:26:15Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)what do you mean by the gender pay Gap I don't I don't know don't know much it's like a doll for every dollar a man earns it's 81 cents for a woman like for American women at least yeah you could say that but men and women don't really
05:26:28Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)most of the time we don't have the same jobs yeah which is why it's I think it's actually super illegal for a company to pay a man more than a woman just because he's a man but some
05:26:39Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)it's true that most men's jobs just pay more than women's jobs do yeah I mean I yeah that's what I'm saying like when you say there's a when you say that
05:26:49Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)women are not equal because there's a pay Gap I don't think that that's 100% true okay yeah I see your point I would also just say like also there's still
05:27:00Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)like levels of social inequality too like that's unrelated to wages yeah and just like looking outside of the us as well like that's pretty huge in other
05:27:10Brian Atlascountries so uh we will briefly address the wage Gap maybe Andrew do you want to weigh in very quickly on the wage Gap thing quickly does exist doesn't exist
05:27:21Andrew Wilsonyeah okay it it literally doesn't exist even so the argument for the gender wage Gap was that in the same job women were paid less than men for the same job but
05:27:33Andrew Wilsonthe thing is is that it didn't really add other factors which were necessary like how much time women take off uh due to maternity leave these other various things they're actually much higher risk
05:27:44Andrew Wilsonto take on for a company to take on than men are usually in in basically any job in fact women are higher risk so um that's why that existed in the limited
05:27:55Andrew Wilsonway that it did but through legislation even that is basically gone even feminists don't really use that as an argument anymore the gender pay
05:28:05Brian AtlasGap period I do have some notes on this appar so it's a men work harder longer in tougher jobs they stay in the work Workforce longer in those tougher jobs they tend
05:28:17Brian Atlasto gravitate towards tougher and harder but higher paying jobs and stay in them longer women leave the workforce voluntarily to have raised children uh
05:28:27Brian Atlasand let's see what else there's also choice so women tend to choose choose lower paying jobs as compared to men also I would also add to this um maybe
05:28:38Brian Atlasgoing around the table on this if I can relate it back to dating so I don't know if where you stand on this maybe it's not so much the norm in college dating
05:28:48Brian Atlasbut um would you like a guy to pay for you on the first date um no like I think you should split the bill should split okay what about
05:28:58Brian Atlasyou should the guy pay on the first date I'm happy to split happy to split I would like how many time oh sorry go ahead go ahead I would like to yes pay
05:29:09Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)for the what about you oh I'm fine with paying too it's fine okay what what are we going or yeah how many times going around have you
05:29:21Brian Atlasactually split the bill on a date though yeah you said you've been on a couple First Dates yeah every time we split the bill every time okay all right she's dating feminist guys okay what about you I'll tell you the last few dates I've been on I've
05:29:32Andrew Wilsonpaid okay but but that's not really to the heart of the question question the heart of the question is all the dates you've been on how many times have you
05:29:43Andrew Wilsonpaid thank you or split yeah I've only been on a handful of dates so my answer stays the same so on the handful of dates that you've been on you've split the bill
05:29:55Andrew Wilsonevery time no my answer was I paid so in the handful of dates you've been on you've paid for all the dates yes seems
05:30:06Bonnie Bluedubious what why hi K so the last guy I was dating I'm financially a lot more well off than him um and so I pay for the date it's not it
05:30:17Bonnie Bluedoesn't bother it's like it doesn't bother me who pays I was a lot more well off than him so I paid I felt more comfortable doing it that way do you want it to be like that though for like
05:30:29Bonnie Blueever I can imagine when I do settle down I'll probably earn a lot more than what they do and I'd be more than happy with paying for everything well when you become with someone Things become shared so it wouldn't always be just me my
05:30:42Brian Atlasmoney would become eventually their money as well so I wouldn't say as oh that's my money that's their money i' see it as sh here look this is we won't linger long on the wage Gap thing here's just the argument I was going to make so we have a small group here at the table
05:30:55Brian Atlaswe've heard from a lot of women I would say the overwhelming majority of women at least that we've heard from on the show not all again not all women there are plenty of women who will go 50/50 or even in some cases they'll even pay for
05:31:05Brian Atlasthe whole date a lot of women prefer the man to pay for the first date let's assume it's even a minority of women let's say it's 30 or 40% of women who have a gendered expectation on men that men need to pay for First Dates they
05:31:18Brian Atlasneed to pay on subsequent dates and that men need to be providers I would argue that even if it's a minority of women 30 to 40% of women that create creates and
05:31:27Brian Atlaswould create enough of a mating pressure let's disregard any any other factors like men working more hours men are more willing to relocate men are more willing to work like shitty hours graveyard
05:31:40TTS/Chat readershift men are more likely to go work in like bum [ __ ] North Dakota women Intel wild donated
05:31:48Brian Atlas$69 so Asians can be 68s 304s times to uh strumpets double strumpets there you go double strumpets uh I think that actually the wage Gap
05:32:01Brian Atlascould be just simply argued Away by women's own sexism and their sexist expectation of men to be providers because I'm not saying it's all women but if there's enough women 30
05:32:13Brian Atlasto 40% which I think is being conservative who want men to pay for First Dates who won't date men who won't that would create in my view enough of a mating pressure for men to be just
05:32:25Brian Atlassimply more motivated to earn money to earn more money than their female counterparts motivation is extremely powerful so I don't think we've you you can really meet a man who insists that women
05:32:38Brian Atlasshould pay for First Dates I suppose it's rare but it's you can't get away with a man insisting women should pay so if there was a pay gap which I think there isn't I think it could be entirely
05:32:50Brian Atlasexplained Away by women's gender expectations of men to pay for First Dates to be providers to pay pay for this XY Z
05:32:59Brian Atlasso and also in addition to that women go after men who at who are at the top of ape uh who are at the Apex of hierarchies so men who are really
05:33:10Brian Atlassuccessful men who are very competent men who are um extremely wealthy successful women deem those things to be very attractive in men so it's almost
05:33:21Brian Atlasreinfor if there was a wage Gap it you could argue it's just reinforced by The Mating pressure that's created by
05:33:31Brian Atlaswomen agreed there's a ma there's a mating pressure on men that does not exist in women or that doesn't exist for women excuse me
05:33:47Brian Atlasso any nothing okay all right cool uh you said there were some other ways in which uh women were not equal oh I guess yeah just like social inequalities just
05:33:58Brian Atlasthe way like women and men are viewed and like the different like unfair expectations on both men and women what what are some of the so and and when you say that that it's you you've
05:34:09Brian Atlasacknowledged that there's some possible ways that men are not viewed well either or is this an exclusively female problem no I don't think so I think it affects
05:34:20Brian Atlaseverybody okay but it seems like more so women because when I asked ways in which uh women don't have equality don't have equal rights this is an example you gave
05:34:29Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)so what would be the way in which it's primarily negatively impacting women well like just the the pressures and expectations that are put on women
05:34:40Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)from a young age like to be um like to be like sort of submissive like and to let their husband be like the provider and like not necessarily pushing women is
05:34:52Brian Atlaspressure themselves is that a problem I don't think that's a pressure anymore I think if we we've actually gone completely the other way it's let's push let's push women into
05:35:03Brian Atlasthe universities go get a job go work girl boss boss babe I don't think there's a strong pressure on the societal level for women to be
05:35:13Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)submissive Housewives anymore anyways do you think that's the case well I feel like it still exists just in like in some places and I don't know I feel well
05:35:24Brian Atlasis it the minority or the majority um I I honestly don't know do you think there's a majority social pressure for women to be stay at- home
05:35:35Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)like not get educated not not work be stay home lives I like well speaking on my own experience and like in my childhood I remember like that was like
05:35:45Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)kind of the goal was he wanted to like get married and like I know like so many little girls growing up who like just that's all like they were expected to be
05:35:55Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)was just to be like I don't know like not necessarily going into the workforce just finding a husband and having a family and that was their job and that's perfectly okay like I think I think it's more about like having the like to
05:36:08Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)either go into the workforce or to have a family so how come you don't think women have a choice now well it's we do have a choice we just feel you say we feel the pressure
05:36:18Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)of it yeah I feel like it's just like just subtle pressures from I different aspects of life and from
05:36:29Brian Atlaschildhood well if that's the case though couldn't you just make the argument that if if women are facing this pressure then men are also facing a pressure pressure to be sole Bread Winners and providers yeah I think there's like two
05:36:42Brian Atlascorresponding things there I guess I'm looking for something more specifically like ways in which like for example is there any right that men have that women don't like what do you mean by that well
05:36:54Brian Atlasyou said equality right and I mean that could be in a couple different ways but under law is there any right that a man has that women don't like how like how hold on let her answer the question uh
05:37:06TTS/Chat readernot to my knowledge not legally okay up aquatic donated $69 we can ask that do you think women are oppressed uh do you think women are
05:37:17Brian Atlasoppressed going around the table um not so much in the US but like outside of it outside sure what about the US are women oppressed no I think we've come like a
05:37:28Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)long way as a society are they still a little bit oppressed like I don't know I feel like just going back to my first argument there's still like some pressures placed on women pressures okay
05:37:40Kiara/Maddie/Jazelle (multiple guests)are women oppressed no uh I agree with her um no women in the US are not
05:37:49TTS/Chat readeroppressed um okay so flow act 954 donated $69 from the wife why does modesty equal respect it doesn't Define women being
05:38:02TTS/Chat readerstuck a Viewpoint will only lead to wrong women there's so much more to one's character than your 1930s opinion I mean modesty has been a
05:38:13Brian Atlasdesirable characteristic and a virtue I think well forever for much far uh far beyond the