RAGE QUIT! Drake Dated Her?! Her Boyfriend Bought Her Mom's ØF?! 2 Based Virgins! | Dating Talk #236

Date: 2025-03-31

Duration: 7h 18m

Guests

Brian Atlas

FFrankie (Waitress)>

MMorgan (Drake)>

BBailey (Drake)>

LLindsay (Music)>

EEllie (Debater)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Ellie (Debater)(guest)

SPEAKER_02Morgan (Drake)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Frankie (Waitress)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Parissa(guest)

SPEAKER_05Bella (UCI)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Kate (Boat)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Jess (LI)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Agatha(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lindsay (Music)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Bailey (Drake)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 10 guests introduced

ControversyEllie aggressively confronts Agatha about sex work — triggers later rage quit

OtherAgatha RAGE QUITS during religious debate with Ellie

OtherWhatever hits 100K Twitch followers during the episode

Key MomentBailey: Drake is twin flame, dated Emperor Augustus reincarnation

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

10 guests including Venezuelan adult film actress, 2 Christian virgins, and conservative debater.

Frankie Mom OnlyFans

Ex found mom's OnlyFans. Abusive 5-year relationship (she was 16-17, he was 23).

Ellie vs Agatha on Sex Work

Aggressive confrontation over sex work and shame.

Agatha Rage Quit

Left during religious debate with Ellie. Posted negative Instagram stories.

Twitch 100K Followers

Whatever hits 100K on Twitch during episode.

Bailey Drake Twin Flame

Drake twin flame claims return. Emperor Augustus reincarnation. Elon as Hitler.

Transcript

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Kate (Boat)one about the same is I was sameish yeah because I I think um my face matured nicely and looked better as I got a little bit older I lost some of the baby

Kate (Boat)fat but um my skin was better there was other things that would have been better looking at 18 so like what like my skin was better and have wrinkles you know

Brian Atlasjust the youthfulness yeah sure so some things some things you feel improved some

Brian Atlasthings got worse but in totality you think overall better 37 versus

Kate (Boat)18 no not necessarily it like I might not better but maybe equal depending on what you're looking at so as good-looking 37: 18

Brian Atlasprobably okay um all right what about you you're 18 better looking in 10 years time at 28 yeah uh better looking in 20 years time 38 um probably not okay you're 18 better

Parissalooking in 10 years time at 28 I think because I care a lot about like health and fitness and I'm hoping I'm hoping to improve so I'd say yes okay 20 years

Brian Atlastime 38 probably not okay all right uh so do we have the age advancements did you check for it in

Brian AtlasDiscord yeah I hate it's me they're still working on it okay those are going to come we we'll get to those in a sec

Brian Atlasso we've put all of you through Ai and we're still uh getting them going but um pretty much everybody here who said they're going to be better looking when

Kate (Boat)they're older like that's y'all are crazy money I don't want to know that but there's also procedures like that okay tell you what the procedures can

Kate (Boat)make you look worse sometimes sometimes they look very natural you know like we're not saying but I'm just curious like there's procedures if it was the case that there were procedures that can

Brian Atlasmake you look better why aren't there like large swaths of like 18 to 20 year olds getting said procedures there is well no there's women who are getting

Morgan (Drake)like botox and they tend worse typically slows down the process it's the filler when they start doing the filling into like you know like you could do Botox to avoid

Morgan (Drake)wrinkles but if you start filling in like the wrinkles as they've already like come that's when your face starts looking distorted I think you're all lying okay cuz I think if if a guy came up to you and said and if you were like let's say

Ellie (Debater)30 he said are you 40 you would probably be offended whereas if you said that to a man he'd probably take that as a compliment why do you say a guy would take it as a compliment because guys want to look more mature and they want to come off as more mature whereas with

Lindsay (Music)women they want to look younger feel like men peak when they're like 30 definitely not like 40s mid3 I would say

Lindsay (Music)that 40s really mid3 to 40 I feel like l i mean you see like old abber cromie ads like I mean there's no 40-year-olds guys in 25 they're like 15 like ABS with the

Lindsay (Music)dep and Klein pants I mean they're not who's Their audience that they're targeting though they're demographic I mean probably younger people yeah I mean targeting all people wearing underwear doesn't really age

Lindsay (Music)out what what was that oh I said you don't really age out of wearing underwear I mean they're they're targeting everyone you know like sure abber you're correct they are targeting younger people but I

Morgan (Drake)mean but wouldn't you be offended though if I came up to you and I said are you 40 well yeah I saying I feel like a guy would as well that's what I'm saying no definitely not feel like guys want to

Ellie (Debater)also like older men want to look younger as well I feel like that would be like offensive to men too think that's the first question it gets to a certain point of course but men want like if you tell a a 30-year-old are you 18 he's

Ellie (Debater)going to take that as look great you look 60 today I mean would you're 26 like if I told you you look 45 you'd be like oh that'ss cuz then there there's a there's such a huge gap there fine line there's there's a huge gap that was like

Ellie (Debater)a 20-year Gap right but if it's like if you tell a guy that's trying to look mature and be mature if you tell him that he looks 18 he's going to take a little bit of offense to that because he wants to come off as more mature this is a reason why women want older men because they want someone that is more

Ellie (Debater)mature than them more advanced than them oh

Brian Atlasagree yeah you guys I don't know like you're be better looking in 20 20 30 years time it's I don't want to see that I lowkey do see 30 I actually think I

Brian Atlasdid it to myself once and I sent it to my mom she's like I've done it why why does it look like me well we can we can test this out really simply so uh of all the women here who said that they're

Brian Atlasgoing to be uh better looking in 10 20 30 years time whatever it is so I'll I'll do two options so the first option is the whatever podcast will offer to uh

Brian Atlaspay for plastic surgery to make you look older so that means we'll put wrinkles on you we'll put all these kinds of things that are associated with aging and on top of that we'll pay you $5,000

Brian Atlasand pay for the surgery uh but we're going to age Advance you uh 20 years or something love that anybody any takers only if it includes liver spots and you said only if we agree that we look better

Brian Atlasright you said only if we agree that we look better right well yeah that's Does it include a social security check too if I do look man should not be comedians that was [ __ ] terrible but okay shut

Brian Atlasdoesn't include a social security check okay bro um good try um yeah so any takers you said you'll be better looking in 30 years time I mean I'll take it if

Ellie (Debater)I do think that better but like know that I won't is the thing so okay so when you reach that age you would have surgeries to reverse your age but you

Morgan (Drake)wouldn't take surgery not going to show that though they're just going to age me they're not going to show like the procedures is there even I wonder is there even a surgery to make someone look old like is that a thing yeah just

Morgan (Drake)mess up the botox no like to like put like too much you know what I mean no like to like put like crows feet is that even a thing you get tattoos think about in movies when they AG actors to yeah that's like makeup you know what I mean

Morgan (Drake)that's like effect makes I wonder if there's like actually a thing we can tatto on there yeah we would do like tattooing and just like full some extra fillers to get the jowls under you know

Bella (UCI)down here body modification people actually do it like with like like ra oh the little imp oh yeah those like those like raised thing yeah e I'm sure there's something cuz maybe people

Brian Atlasidentify as be a little if you can be a little be a little quicker with we have her talking over here we just need to be

Brian Atlasquick on it man um okay so how about this one magic wand I wave a magic wand and you you don't age internally but

Brian Atlaseverything about you that would Age externally physically you age for 20 years and then you stay there for 20 years you're not going to get any health problems anytime sooner you're not going

Brian Atlasto die anytime sooner we just Advance your physical appearance and then so move you forward 20 years then you stay there for 20 years like how you look so

Brian Atlasit's not like you continue aging once we've Advanced your age do you take that if I could right now in this moment instantly turn you into a 40-year-old would I be like living just the same

Jess (LI)life that like I am now like I'm in the same like situation like same life type you're not going to die anytime sooner no I mean literally copy and paste my life that I'm in now like my job like

Jess (LI)where I live everything's same yeah I mean I don't think that um a 40-year-old working at a like a strip club as a bartender I don't know if that would work out very well because you'd be less

Jess (LI)attractive well I'd be a 40-year-old working as a strip bartender just as hot then it should if you're if that's your Peak why would getting more money then right saying

Jess (LI)situationally I mean what situation situationally like it's like oh yeah like do people think that I don't know

Jess (LI)uh Jennifer Lopez is like super pretty yeah and she's what 40 something I bet when she was 20 she looked you know a little bit better she looks really

Brian Atlassimilar to how she looked at 25 cuz she's paid for a lot of surgery no even with the surgery y'all it she she's not the same woman yeah I agree the same no

Jess (LI)agree no the thing is sheing wouldn't be a 40-year-old I think it would be weird to see a 40-year-old behind the bar at a but if you say you'd look more pretty you should be making more money because you look better it doesn't have to do

Jess (LI)with how I look it just is no one at my job is over the age of 30 when you're 40 what job do you want I want to own a

Brian Atlas[ __ ] Salon huh I want to own my own Salon okay cool answer the actual question salon owner what okay so it's

Brian Atlasnot like heaven forbid you lose your bartending strip club job because you're you now look older do you want to answer the actual question magic wand do you take it no why

Brian Atlasnot cuz I feel like being in your 20s like a lot of people are like oh yeah I wish I was in my 20s again you would still be in your 20s still your age doesn't change you're still in your 20s it's just your out the way I look just

Jess (LI)the way you look yes your look oh I don't know that would be weird yeah it's a hypothetical I thought you me like I would be aged to 40 and stay

Brian Atlasat 40 just your looks and I'm still 26 oh that would be [ __ ] weird yeah here let me ask you a question I wouldn't take it yeah hold on if uh you didn't eat breakfast this morning how would you feel

Brian Atlashungry God okay um so look you would feel weird I get it yeah but you said you would be be better

Brian Atlaslooking right so wave the magic wand you get to instantly be better be better looking you got me there so you don't think that you would be better looking all right maybe not well what he's proving is that uh your

Ellie (Debater)value in terms of the external is going to be based on what other people view you as that's why I rate myself as a four because the marketplace has said that so you you have said that you're going to make less money when you look older so it kind of goes against M well I didn't say less money she said Le she

Lindsay (Music)said less well you said I would make more money you say you'd look prettier but your job is like you know it's a strip club it's based kind of how how people find you attractive so by your by you saying you'd look prettier therefore

Ellie (Debater)you'd be getting more money is what I'm saying in your head but if you're saying you'd get less money then then you ad look would be down yeah the marketplace decides that you're of less

Brian Atlasvalue all right you guys might be right on that one all right you guys got me there you got me there all right um do we have the age of

Brian Atlasanent photos wait I thought you said there were like three of them or not yet oh okay there we're still working on them then uh here while we're doing that

Brian Atlasum one sec were you able did you pull up that Super Chat that came in yeah just like 30 seconds ago or something okay all right uh let's see here we have

SPEAKER_00something from we have a chat here from Christine coming in yeah thank you Christine Christine donated $200 we all know that your looks Fade

SPEAKER_00with age and we know that you know the point of the question is to show how delusional women are stop making us women look like idiots this makes me

Morgan (Drake)hate my gender oh wtin damn Christine went off damn I mean that's crazy I only said that because of plastic surgery so that's why I think that the way said

Ellie (Debater)what I only said what I said because of plastic surgery and how accessible it is so that's why I think the way I think but even you know you're admitting that you look better right now because when you use the plastic surgery you're

Morgan (Drake)trying to reverse your age to what you currently are M I mean yeah but if it ends up if the process ends up looking good and I'm still advancing in age I'm still going to be in but the point of plastic surgery is to make you look

Ellie (Debater)younger so you're way you look yeah right now so you have to admit that you look better now than you ever will or what if we took plastic surgery out of it what if you're not allowed to get any

Morgan (Drake)if I'm not allowed to get any then no I'm probably going to look worse like 5 years and by worse you mean older yeah

Brian Atlasmhm okay I'm just being this is a high IQ conversation yeah deep do um so I'm curious though uh you said you're a 10 can you name like a famous woman who you

Morgan (Drake)think is a 10 um like Megan is Megan Fox said 10 uh I think she was she's starting to get a little too much work but I think she

Bailey (Drake)older now no like maybe too much work oh she's got too okay she was young Transformers yeah I was going to say Jennifer's Body Transformers okay she's she's actually 10 but based on

Brian Atlaseverybody's standard I said seven everybody else I said 10 for myself oh okay I see but in for your own self assessment you like see a picture of

Morgan (Drake)Megan Fox and you're like we're on par I know I just base it off of like how I wanted to look I guess like how I would want to look because of who I am

Morgan (Drake)well so you're talking more like aesthetic no like I have actually talking I'm talking like body parts and everything too body parts

Morgan (Drake)yeah which body parts all of them knees or some [ __ ] your kneecaps oh my God all of them but my knees I never looked at or my elbows but everything else I guess

SPEAKER_00I looked at and I paid attention to okay like your elbow right now That Elbow I mean an underscore and reasonable underscore Man donated

SPEAKER_00$200 the amount of copium on this panel is crazy the strippers have hit the wall as hard as they hit the pole I have seen that dude debate he is legit for thanks for being on the show the other night

Brian AtlasBrian Yoo good to see you in the chat man it was a good speaking with you uh the other day appreciate the uh appreciate you dropping by thank for the uh TTS man and uh thank you for the

Brian Atlascompliment started and uh hopefully uh nobody Clips the you know little song um anyways so uh wait how about oh I want

Brian Atlasyou know what I want let's do this uh do I have everybody do it [ __ ] it yeah why not um so okay I want everybody here at the table to rate me and I'm not going to be offended if

Brian Atlasyou rate me low I'm not going to be upset I'm not going to insult you um so you can be brutally honest I want you to ratee me on the scale of 1 to 10 just looks just looks you can't include my rather

Brian Atlasuh you know my short-tempered personality you can't include what did you say h you seej we can't include what just looks so you can't don't include my

Morgan (Drake)shitty toxic personality is five the average or is seven or sassy man five would be average okay go ahead six okay I'm going to say five uh 5 and 1 half

Brian Atlassix okay 6 and A2 6 and A2 okay six six okay seven seven okay oh wow okay real quick no real quick you don't

Lindsay (Music)need to Justified that's okay people in the world like there's some ugly people you know oh we're talking about like the entire population of

Kate (Boat)Earth the whole Earth's population she's comparing me what you

Brian Atlasgot bu 56 five five 56 5 to six okay 5.5 5 uh five okay five all right uh wait so

Brian AtlasI think I got uh let's see here average uh you gave me 6.5 was it six and a half

Brian Atlasyeah 6 6.5 what did you give me six six six okay so um you're 8.5 right okay yeah 8.5 so if you and me were dating

Brian Atlaslike you're you would feel like you're doing me a favor like you're settling for me I mean if you want to put it that way I mean that's what it would be yeah I mean if we were talking hypothetically like

Brian Atlasyeah I guess there's a lot of things that makeup like what is the is that just that's the whole question yeah pretty much and then you'd also be severely your 10 just a lowly six you

Bailey (Drake)would also be settling for me is that correct um you can't handle me but it has nothing to do with looks I can't hand what the fu nothing to do with look remember so I can't hand I would be

Brian Atlassettling I'm just kidding like I can okay that's uh interesting I can't I can't handle you I'm sorry that reminds

Brian Atlasme of those Tik toks what's that song it's like he can't handle the wait what is that stupid Tik Tok noise sound you guys know what I'm talking about he

Morgan (Drake)can't handle the stallion he can't handle the stallion he's scared of the do you know that song he's scared of the [ __ ] I remember the crystalia the crystalia standup where he is like

Morgan (Drake)that's not what I'm thinking about that's what I was talking about in recent time like it's like abort abort he can't handle the stallion something like that it's

Brian Atlasme but so okay that's just that's just interesting um okay that's funny it's funny um look the reason we asked this question it's

Brian Atlasbasically just uh a delusion check I guess um I think what it kind of boils down to is a couple things so I do think women tend to self assess them their

Brian Atlasattractiveness uh very generously and pretty highly whereas men are typically more realistic when it comes to their physical attractiveness and their standing in the marketplace uh and this

Brian Atlasis for a couple reasons so women will do a self assessment with um uh what's the what's the word for it it's evading me with uh enhancements so

Brian AtlasYou' be like okay this is what I look like with makeup and filters and like the most uh charitable light or not like good lighting or whatever and then you're going to look at the dude and he doesn't have like really good photos and you're like okay

Brian Atlasyou're looking at him that way also if you pull up a girl's Instagram page and you look at her comments on her Instagram page it's like all her friends oh my God you're so beautiful blah blah blah blah blah so

Brian Atlasy'all are getting gassed up by your peer group you individually on your own you look at yourself wearing makeup and you're like this is how attract I am uh and then the third thing is you have

Brian Atlasshort-term sexual access to men who are uh outside of your league and so for these reasons women I think are totally delusional when it comes to their

Brian Atlasphysical appearance what do you mean by outside of your league yeah sure so what what I mean by that is as a girl you can sleep with men who are just outside of your league it doesn't necessarily

Brian Atlasalways have to do with the looks but it definitely can be like financially yeah it can be financially it can be status like a girl who's a 19-year-old like hot girl in college can go [ __ ]

Brian Atlaslike the world's most famous like rapper uh celebrity yes and no I mean it depends on her attractiveness too what if we could yeah she has to be attractive but like you a normal like

Brian Atlas19-year-old college girl can get sexual access to like really high status men so that's one component of it question if we can date High to does that are rating even if we think we're like down here

Morgan (Drake)more what do you mean by date though because y all get caught up let's say high status men let's say like someone that thinks they're maybe like a seven or six would that raise their rating if they could get like

Morgan (Drake)anybody what do you mean what do you think like on the inside or how they would another guy look at a girl and think that she is better or more attractive because she's been able to achieve a high status what does that

Brian Atlasmean to achieve though like a girl who can f she's yeah she's been not fck yeah what does that mean though like girls you guys be you you'll be involved with a guy for a couple been in a

Morgan (Drake)serious like relationship like maybe it was like only Year we're not talking about Elon Musk either cuz not Elon Musk no usually I mean the the more men that the girls been with the less attractive

Brian Atlasshe is so I don't I mean I don't I don't think it makes her more attractive if she's been with you know that's valid and also it's just like a lot of guys

Morgan (Drake)will just keep a girl around for sex like a lot of girls will think that like I think personally a very unattractive guy is attractive because of his wealth

Brian Atlasor things of that nature I guess I'll make it more clear so when I'm talking about women can get men outside their league so men will sleep down but they'll never be in a

Brian Atlaslong-term relationship with that girl they'll never marry that girl a man will like sleep with a girl and just instantly disqualify her from commitment or relationship just on the basis of her

Brian Atlaslooks alone but because he's just like ah okay I just want to have sex whatever and this doesn't necessarily even mean oh as a girl you can only get this guy for a one night stand sometimes you can be like Friends with Benefits hey can

Brian Atlasyou not [ __ ] talk while I'm talking you like you can be quiet while they're arranging the chairs so uh a girl can uh lost my train of thought this is why we

Brian Atlastell people not to um all right a girl can sleep up sleep down no I'm calling the topic but I forgot exactly what I

Brian Atlaswas um going on um yeah just totally lost it okay well

Brian Atlaswhatever thank you though I gave you the warning before the show to not be [ __ ] talking so appreciate that um I don't know what was I saying um I heard you saying sleep

Kate (Boat)around yeah I don't think any other girls ling a girl can sleep with a guy that can't actually get to commit to a long-term relationship just because she's young and attractive but it doesn't mean that she can actually it

Kate (Boat)like that that guy is actually interested in her yeah essentially I mean but it's cues that they then think that they are of a higher value than they are because they have banged a few guys who are high value men yeah

Brian Atlasessentially I mean and it's not even necessarily just in the framework of a one night stand a guy could keep a girl around for couple couple dates couple

Brian Atlasweeks couple months sometimes even longer but if you don't get the ring you don't get the long-term commitment you don't get monogamy that's not your league your league is the guys who are willing to commit to you and wife you up and have

Brian Atlaskids with you because it's easy for y'all to [ __ ] anybody really but you can't say the same thing about men like men if we step to a girl who's outside of our league we don't get anything we

Brian Atlasdon't get a conversation we don't get a kiss we don't get a a date we don't get sex it's it's an upfront rejection y'all get rejected on the back end we get rejected UPF front I I want to know what

Morgan (Drake)like definition of like outside of like a guy's League like what would be like the definition of that for like as a woman like what would be outside of a guy's League like just based on physical

Jess (LI)appearance no like that's why like what's the definition of like an out ofy League type of girl cuz we went over like out of your league type of guy it would be strictly looks typically oh just strictly looks

Morgan (Drake)yeah strictly looks okay what else do men really in day four well that's what I was asking yeah who would you consider like in the same like league as you that like we would know I guess I mean I rate

Brian Atlasmyself averagely so this this question typically would apply to somebody who thinks they're 10 and they could point to like a celebrity I think it would be yeah I don't know I haven't really considered it but you you haven't

Brian Atlasconsidered it at all I can't think of a specific celebrity that is like it's kind of off the top question yeah I couldn't think of one so plus men don't want celebrities women

Morgan (Drake)do don't I don't like keep track of like female celebr I don't care I mean you watch movies yeah but not to date them and take them serious and marry them and I watch movies but I don't know any

Brian Atlasactor's names so that's fair that's fair yeah um so I don't know if what was your question mine yeah I think oh no I just said like what would be like the like

Morgan (Drake)out of your like what would be like men can't it's just like um like just physical for like a guy to consider a girl out of their league the only types okay here's the difference so like an

Brian Atlasaverage girl can like at least get a one night stand with a guy who's outside of her League whereas in order for a guy to be dealing with a girl who's outside of his league if we're talking looks he

Brian Atlasneeds to be bringing something else to the table he need and typically it's going to be like massive amounts of status so like a really famous rapper or musician typically these guys a lot of

Brian Atlasthem typically not the best looking dudes but they can date women outside their league because they're bringing status women attracted to status men don't care about status so it wouldn't really there wouldn't really be a

Jess (LI)correspondence there like that's why when we said like the difference between like a girl hooking up with or dating a guy outside of her League it didn't come down to just like what the guy looked

Jess (LI)like you know what I mean like it has to be like if a girl's going and going with a guy outside of her League it has to do with more than just looks it has to do with like you said St it has to do with financial it could be just looks too

Jess (LI)though feel like I feel like it doesn't just come down to that cuz you could like outside of your league doesn't mean like a super hot hobo you know like it doesn't have to do with just looks you know what I mean like I feel like you

Brian Atlassaid well I mean actually who is that guy who got arrested the the mug guy uh what was this he like the the bluee blue eyes literally [ __ ] criminal and

Brian Atlaswomen and now he's rich and married to this uh and like a supermodel like walking at [ __ ] some billionaire or some [ __ ] all right that's an anomaly but like sure I I agree that's an

Jess (LI)anomaly yeah that's not a common thing but yeah for like like you were saying like guys to think of girls outside of their league it's just looks to guys I don't understand your can you clarify what's the difference between a girl

Kate (Boat)being outside of a guy League than a guy being outside of a girl's League does it will a guy look at a female so if if a guy sees a woman and she makes more money than him is she out

Kate (Boat)of his League then in the same way that like if a man has good F like if a man is financially extremely rich she she probably thinks that he is that's what I

Brian Atlasmean it's just not about looks but men don't value a woman's earning potential some do so yeah so okay cool some some guys are cucks no I mean like most of them in my area do I

Brian Atlasmean you don't you also don't want like an unemployed check either thing the the reality is though if you have if you have a a male attorney here's the difference a male attorney is going to look at like a 20-year-old Barista and

Brian Atlasbe like wow she's really attractive I want to date her uh and say that male attorney is like 35 the 35-year-old female attorney is not going to look at a 20-year-old male Barista even if if he's really attractive be like I'm going

Jess (LI)to take this guy seriously long term no cuz usually May us maybe she'll [ __ ] him but probably that's what I was getting at it was like I to know like how do we

Jess (LI)distinguish the difference like what are the categories for each like boy and girl like what's the difference between being out of a league in one gender besides the other you know what I mean

Morgan (Drake)like like how you just said like well I'm and I agree with that like yeah a 35-year-old attorney is not going to see a 20-year-old Barista guy and be like I'm G to [ __ ] like no the female version of the attorney yeah the reverse way the

Jess (LI)male version yeah the reverse way that's 100% that's why just wanted to like get down to like what is like the actual like determination between the

Brian Atlasboth well so when I'm when I'm speaking about league as it relates to the like rating 1 to 10 question it's strictly about looks okay so typically if we um

Brian Atlasif we're looking at looks and we're looking at average people so I was I was giving an example in a way which men even despite their looks can get women out outside of their looks Le through

Brian Atlasthings like status or sometimes it can be personality sometimes it can be personality you have to be pretty charismatic right to do it um but ultimately like looks is probably the

Ellie (Debater)most important thing for everybody really can I also say um women don't think about this but we're ex like exactly the opposite so the less a woman does the more attractive she is the more a man does the more attractive he is so

Ellie (Debater)when you're asking you know when you say men want women with more money or more status it's the exact opposite the less status you have the less know one you are the less followers you have um the less uh promiscuous friends you have the less Partners you have everything that

Ellie (Debater)you have less than they're going to value that more whereas with men it's it's the opposite yeah some men though well obviously there six fingers on some feel like those are the only like valued

Jess (LI)things like you know what I mean like those aren't like an important thing like all the things you just listed aren't really like the top things to look for like I feel like from a man's

Jess (LI)perspective yeah like I want to know is it like an independent woman is less attractive like to where like I don't need you I don't need the things that

Jess (LI)you're offering I would like them I would appreciate them but I don't need them like a man wants to feel like a man sometimes wants to feel needed evasa if

Ellie (Debater)not so everything comes with the cost so if you say um a woman is uh she has a good career or she's a independent boss woman that looks good externally but you have to it's all a projection of what's internal so the way she acts the way she

Ellie (Debater)projects uh the way she thinks um you when you're independent you usually have more masculine traits so you're more assertive more dominant you take bigger risks these are all masculine traits so even though you can look at that and say oh there's no problem with making more money we're not judging the external

Jess (LI)we're judging the internal well not even more money just like being like financially like stable like they don't

Jess (LI)I feel like a lot of the times like men want or attracted to women who need them like they want like men want to feel needed they want to feel like is it is

Jess (LI)it attractive to you if a guy wants to take care of you no I love that but I'm also independent and I don't need it I would like it but but I also don't expect something from a man that I can't do for myself that's exactly why

Ellie (Debater)marriages are falling apart that you don't need each other mhm but there's this it's a thing called The Law of contingency we're all contingent upon something else so there's a starting point which is you know if want to say God but everything is contingent upon others so for you guys to survive for

Ellie (Debater)myself to survive we need water that was filtered by someone else and then that water had to exist from someone else your marriage should depend on both of you needing each other as well your kid needs you your family needs you um you need your partner to be a good leader

Parissait's the law of contingency where you're all contingent upon another so you should want to need each other because right you can't survive on your own this is something Bella and I were talking about is that equality doesn't mean the same and like Reliance on another person

Morgan (Drake)isn't a weakness and so say you're like more of a 50/50 or a like you know like 40 60 type of person in a relationship what what was the question if like a 5050 are you asking should it

Ellie (Debater)be 50/50 or no I mean it depends well it always depends you know cuz with you you say with marriage you don't have a goal right so with someone that doesn't have a goal you can't really tell them much because just uh whatever whatever it feels good if you have a goal if you

Ellie (Debater)want to get married if you want to have a good relationship if you want to raise kids and raise a better generation than the one you guys are being raised in then you probably want have a specific set of Standards where my man is the leader and I follow his lead and we're not 50/50 because once again the law of

Ellie (Debater)contingency means you're going to be contingent on him but he's also going to be contingent on you to make sure that you play out your part yeah so the less you guys can be uh equal to each other in the sense of how you guys are and operate the better it's going to be yeah

Bella (UCI)and like you were saying you you probably want a man who is wants to protect who wants to provide for you in the same sense that he's going to want a woman who is nurturing who is going to right so there has to be like a balance

Bella (UCI)their like uh checks and balance kind of like exactly like I think many women in our generation or today in this day and age want expect a lot and like we say we deserve all these things but what can we

Parissanot in the sense bring to the table but um like you said like what you want to provide her you want to protect her so that's value you can also like reflect internally and I think kind of that's

Parissawhy I think working on yourself and like becoming the person that the person you want this is going to sound jumbled but working on becoming the person that the kind of person you would want to be with would want to be with if that I value my

Morgan (Drake)Independence a lot as well so like I I find that very hard to balance that's the only reason Independence in which ways like your job like you relationships like I I still value want be your own separate person I want to like I obviously would love to have both

Morgan (Drake)of us have our things that we do together and everything as well but I would like to separate that and have time to like breathe on my own and like you know I don't want to be ridiculed or something for say I go out for a night

Ellie (Debater)or whatever like I don't want my phone being blown up like oh my God you're out cheating like you know like insecurity type let me ask you the man that you're looking for is he um do you think the man that you're looking for is going to look for the things that you want as

Morgan (Drake)well like a family a long-term stability situation um I'm not necessarily looking to build a family at the moment um I'm not really looking into relationships either so I mean so well at what age are

Ellie (Debater)you going to start thinking about that um haven't thought about that yet and you're 23 mhm 23 okay so you're going to spend your best years your most fertile years the years where you're going to be at the highest value and you're going to

Ellie (Debater)be kind of wasting them um I don't think I'm wasting them so let's put it this way if you keep uh racking up more bodies you keep having pictures of you at the club more often um you keep making more money you're going to try to

Morgan (Drake)look for a man that wants the exact opposite because I'm assuming you're probably going to want a guy that is of high value right I mean it depends on what your like description of so how would you

Morgan (Drake)it um honestly I'm more of a like personable person I love like someone that can that I can connect with on like more of a like spiritual Manner and in a sense so but are you going to want him

Ellie (Debater)to lead you or do you want it to be 50/50 um I don't want it to be 50/50 but like a 50/40 or 60/40 would be acceptable okay well the the thing that cuz I think these women are um you know they said they're virgins right and I

Ellie (Debater)think that's the absolute best thing that a woman can do if she restricts herself and saves herself and they start making good decisions from the very beginning where I once again I do less to be more attractive I think that's the absolute best thing you can do and one

Ellie (Debater)thing that I wish my family cuz we grew up pretty liberal in my household one thing I wish my family would have told me is make good decisions cuz I was making bad decisions but with good intentions so we can have good intentions we we want to have good lives

Morgan (Drake)but we make bad decisions so there's many circumstances where Purity isn't necessarily like valued you know not valued but like it's not a thing anymore and it's not because of your own decisions that you made right and do you

Ellie (Debater)think we live in a better Society now because of that I mean if we look at the stats I mean 26% of women are anti psychotics anti-depressants anxiety meds 26% of women where we have pushed this

Ellie (Debater)Liberation movement of feminism so we've given you ladies more rights quote unquote we've given you more freedom and you guys have overd double the the rate of antis psychotics uh than men it's

Kate (Boat)made women unhappy on them so most women say more women are unhappy now than they were when less women were working and the reason I I highlight that is because you're kind of appealing to the world like the world

Lindsay (Music)does this or this is our current culture therefore this is okay but I'm asking you do you want to live the way the results are showing I don't know if that is to do exactly like it's oh women are on meds more I mean they've also pushed

Lindsay (Music)more meds on us you know like i' I'm on meds and you know I've been trying to get off of them but it's like you go to a psychiatrist you know and I don't know

Kate (Boat)if you they've actually done studies on the happiness though yeah since have entered the workforce women have become unhappier than they were in like the 19 it was one of the big the biggest

Morgan (Drake)studies I mean I feel like with the dynamic and how men are nowadays as well there is a lot of aggression behind certain things so like I I don't know I feel like therapy and things like that could benefit a lot of people as well

Lindsay (Music)I've I've worked in treatment I know that women are more open to being in therapy and taking meds than men that think that they can like handle things on their own and do that do you know why

Ellie (Debater)that is though because women are more open and in tune you can say open that's a euphemism for propagandas they're more propagandas that's why they make up a huge percent of the uh Marketplace so

Lindsay (Music)they tune with emotions women that have mental issues they're more open to being like okay I'm going to go to a therapist meaning they have more opportunities to go see someone that's going to prescribe the men's than men who are just going to

Lindsay (Music)go out and let's see the uh guy is bipolar they're going to go out and like go with these manic episodes rather than a woman so you can't direct here's the problem when these women are going to the therapist are they going to male

Ellie (Debater)therapist or female therapists I have a female therapist I've had both okay but generally do you think it's more women or men that are the therapist right so now women are taking advice from other women uh through therapy who are just as unhappy as they who are just as unhappy

Parissaand they're going to push the same exact propaganda that got them there in the first place well that's the thing is I think anytime that you make a decision and you're going to someone else even a doctor to rely on them to make decision for you yeah exactly I think having your own discernment is really important but

Ellie (Debater)people don't have discernment anymore I mean um I mean we we we've had debates but it's like one of the things that I talk about with when people say I trust the science they don't care about the science they don't look at the studies they care about what the experts told them so when we say that women are we

Ellie (Debater)act like they're analyzing all the medicine they're they're checking make sure everything the prescription is good they're not you guys just follow blindly and this is because women are easily propaganda that's why when kala was running her number one message was reproductive

Ellie (Debater)rights because she knows that this appeals to your emotion and women want to follow that movement because they feel liberated from it um yeah I just think it's hard to like

Lindsay (Music)put two things that are so like not cor I mean that's that's not true they are they could have some correlation but at the same time like like I said people are open and not everything is a direct

Lindsay (Music)result of the other thing uh would you say that people should go to like some something religious for therapy instead no um no I think finding I I mean I say

Lindsay (Music)finding God and being spiritual or whatever helps you I think they could go hand inand I like practice Judaism to a certain extent and I also see a

Lindsay (Music)therapist I've worked in treatment I've been in treatment and I've been on meds I've been off of meds can I ask you uh if you don't want to share obviously but what kind of meds are you on um

Lindsay (Music)currently just got off of a few meds right now I'm on um I mean pain meds I have a lot of chronic pain but I also take an anti-anxiety Med not like Xanax but one

Ellie (Debater)that I take in morning and at night and uh medication helped me sleep how long have you been taking the anti the anxiety one um around 3 years okay and are you going to continue taking that

Ellie (Debater)for another 20 years no I'm I'm currently working to get off all of my heads right now but um well I think this is important because we would agree we would find common ground that uh the secular society that we live in they do

Ellie (Debater)push meds like crazy I mean when I was 18 I had so much anxiety I had gone evicted from my apartment I was so much I was like 12 Grand in debt but I was under so much stress trying to start my business and I went to the doctor and they prescribed me I think it was

Ellie (Debater)Aderall or like something for focusing I forgot what it was um and she didn't care to dig in deep and actually understand the the core of the problem if I would have gone on those meds I would have been like you 3 years now right now I'm going to work on a cycle

Ellie (Debater)to get off of them that's so we live in this Society where we have to be very careful with who we trust and why we trust them because they throw out these buzzword trust the expert trust uh the the people that are you know doing sence Lear from someone else and they learn

Lindsay (Music)yeah who then it always comes back to who did they learn it from yeah I think another thing is that there is a double standard with men and women see me and my brother we would do the same things like that as an example um my parents

Lindsay (Music)would be like okay like you're a female like you're going to come home at a certain time or like oh he's acting out but that's just what a guy would do and then I'm a woman so I'd go to therapy and I think that there's like a double

Lindsay (Music)standard and I'm on for like you know I'm not like the big Camala supporter I don't really like her but but there is that like with men and women where there's like different standards like you're going to come home at a certain time or you're not allowed to do this

Lindsay (Music)like you know you see a woman drinking beer you're like yeah that's a little you know but you see a guy drinking beer and it's like oh it's just like a guy drinking beer so there's a double standard with that see me and my brother

Lindsay (Music)you know one of us would be doing something but I'd get more not in trouble but I need more help because it's not a feminine thing to do you're held to a higher standard right in some ways yeah you said it exactly I was

Ellie (Debater)looking for that but so therefore I went to therapy he didn't I got he didn't so we have a lack of masculinity that's the problem that we Haven and a lack of what a lack of masculinity and then this leads to a lack of identity so do you

Ellie (Debater)ever see people that are trying to act a way that you can tell they're not genuine it's because they lack in identity right and that identity comes because they weren't given good values and good virtues when they were growing up so with men now when you say uh women

Ellie (Debater)are going through through uh through therapy it's because men don't have the leadership capabilities to now lead themself and for me the the number one rule that I found is that I'm the happiest in my life when I'm more masculine so the the more I drive away

Ellie (Debater)from my masculinity the more depressed I am anxiety I don't have that anymore because I got rid of that when you change your mindset on that um but the problem with that is uh with the society through the stigmatization that we push

Ellie (Debater)through the propaganda men are obviously pushed now to seek therapy to go to college to um lower their standards men they they have these see men are pushed to go to college yeah they're pushed they're pushed through all these uh I

Ellie (Debater)mean women are obviously are pushed through college that's that's why it's like a 60 40% rate on that but men are taught to be less masculine which is why we have these problems so now you instead of seeking your man for guidance which is my man should lead me he should

Lindsay (Music)give me my therapy that I need you're going to someone externally that knows nothing about you nor cares about you well I I started I mean I was going through some like drug addiction and stuff that's why I went to therapy at a younger age and worked in treatment that's what I meant by that so I mean

Lindsay (Music)you know there's a lot of depressed people but what man do you think I should be going to like my father you mean yeah your father for I mean your father would be if you don't have a husband your father would be ideal but do you have a good relationship with your father yeah I do great I think he's

Ellie (Debater)watching so shout out okay good so well can I ask you like between you and your father what do you think LED you to get into drug problems to begin with wrong crowd okay I grew up in a great family my parents are still together okay I

Lindsay (Music)have a great my mom's my best friend like you know great relationship and I think that I took that for granted at the time and I went with the wrong crowd

Lindsay (Music)and it was all a product of myself going with the wrong people but I don't I mean I'm not saying my dad can't help I call him for advice but I mean at the time I

Lindsay (Music)don't think my dad was like you know I'm not I don't think he wants to hear about his daughter doing drugs and like hanging out with the wrong crowd you know like he'd be there for me if I told him but I mean he wouldn't want to hear

Lindsay (Music)it and he probably would give me more of like the um like let's figure this out like you need to go to treatment he would be pushing treatment on me rather than him being like all right we're going to sit down and talk once a week

Parissaand you know have a conversation about I feel like going against the crowd is also in that scenario it's almost like going against the propaganda cuz it's like the crowd is what is normal you know what I mean and so it was almost

Parissalike that lower standard was the standard and so I think that's just like the main struggle is the standard is not where it should be and so we shouldn't be following that and he's been there for me a lot same with my mom I have

Lindsay (Music)three years sober so you know they you know now I go to them for more advice but I'm also like a little bit more grown up you know I'm open to them about my past

Lindsay (Music)while they're you know it's it's different cuz I'm older to go for them but thanks chart but let's say something happened to me or something you know I don't think a parent like wants to hear about their 13-year-old doing things I

Ellie (Debater)think they'd go straight to anger rather than help mhm well real quick can you agree with me then that your decisions matter like making good decisions at a young age would be the absolute most optimal thing

Ellie (Debater)for your life no I think I mean honestly no cuz you made a decision and now you're trying to reverse them because you're not have I'm trying to reverse them but I think it led me to a great I'm not saying you regret them I'm not saying live in regret I'm just saying you made

Lindsay (Music)bad decisions yeah but I think I mean I I agree that we should but you're looking at it from an optimistic lens right I'm I'm saying it you know obviously it would be great if nobody made any mistakes but I think it also

Ellie (Debater)you know I worked in treatment so I think I my mistakes also helped me help others I'll say this a master learns from his mistakes a Grandmaster learns from other people's mistakes you don't have to make the mistakes to learn from them so that's why I'm telling you be

Morgan (Drake)very careful with the decision you make you know kid emotionally though like you're never really going to understand and kind of like I don't know like there there's just like emotional things that come into it as well like you're never really

Lindsay (Music)going to fully understand something until you go through it but if you had children would you want them to do would you be like hey you should definely make good decisions I mean I'm not going to wish something bad on a a kid I'm not

Kate (Boat)going to be like yeah I hope you f I just don't want children so better decisions from the beginning it might be it might go better and no actually I am so thankful for all of the things that I've done wrong in my life honestly but you wouldn't jump in front of a bus to

Morgan (Drake)know that you shouldn't get in front of a bus I mean no right you take precautions you do your best to there's a certain extent to things like obviously there's things that are are avoidable and like but like emotionally

Morgan (Drake)the the things that I've gone through have what are the wrong things you've gone through or what did you say the bad things no like any like just traumatic things or anything like I I feel like it has made me who I am today and I'm thankful for it you're thankful for the

Ellie (Debater)traumatic things you've been through it was a sufficient condition but not an necessary condition like you didn't have to go through that but you can look at it from an optimistic lens now and look at the I think optimism is the only

Ellie (Debater)thing that is genuinely keeping me going but if you had a daughter right now you would you wouldn't put her through the same exact stuff you would want her to live a better life therefore you would teach her better values right yeah yeah you you would show her the how to make decisions you try to

Lindsay (Music)gear towards people in the right direction but at the same time there's certain things that you need to learn from by yourself like um like like would you say

Ellie (Debater)like a drug problem cuz I had a a brother that went through drug problems as well would you say that he had to go through the drug problems so know he shouldn't have drug problems or could I have taught him better or or my dad I'd

Lindsay (Music)say teach them the best you can but you know I think I mean I'm grateful that I had it young rather than when I was older and I had to do it all by myself but I'm saying kids are going to smoke weed kids

Bella (UCI)are going to drink and that's just like how it goes you know but they don't have to like it's not necessary yeah mhm I think his point is like you don't have to learn by going through it you can learn from other people's mistakes and

Morgan (Drake)that's I mean societally though there's always going to be like different crowds and like you could be in speaking a very good family Dynamic and still go through those things like it it's just depending

Morgan (Drake)on your susceptibility and like how you feel towards another person if they're convincing enough to convince you to drink if they shoot up whatever it is like but you're you're putting it dependent on if they're convincing

Morgan (Drake)enough like I mean yeah but like emotionally if you build a bond with someone and like they're like say you build a bond with your pastor and you're religious like obviously you're believing what they're telling you but like but I still will have discernment

Morgan (Drake)like I mean yeah there's a certain discernment to it absolutely absolutely but people have different reaction you're still going to right you know you're going to believe what you want to believe

Parissaregardless I guess but I don't put it dependent on how convincing the other person is I put it based on my own standard of discernment values and so peer pressure things of that nature I'm sure you've done things you're not proud

Ellie (Debater)of I'll just say the last thing real quick um women live off deeply off temporal myopia which is where you make short-term decisions and at the expense of the longterm so you do what feels good right now but once again you don't have to if you have a daughter or a son you don't have to encourage them to go

Ellie (Debater)through the same mistakes you can just tell them resist the selfish fleshly desires that you have and make good decisions right but it's but I know they're going to go through it regardless but you're not going to put in their head hey you're going to go through this you're going to put the

Morgan (Drake)opposite in their head not doing it if you I wouldn't be able to like relate or like I guess with anyone if they hadn't kind of necessarily gone through

Morgan (Drake)some of the things that I've related to so I don't know wait what do you mean like I don't I I would find it hard to make a relationship with someone if they

Kate (Boat)didn't have like relatable things like relable trauma kind of yeah which is understandable but I don't think that that that necessarily means that it's a good thing for our entire

Kate (Boat)to be collectively going through trauma so that we can all relate to each other the man that the man that you find next do you want him to have that same level of trauma that you have I mean knowing

Ellie (Debater)me probably but and and if he has it do you want him to be able to be advanced in terms of how he handles it the same way you are to the same level I mean actually I feel like I handle things

Ellie (Debater)mentally very well so okay um I feel like mentally Yes actually yeah cuz I'm just saying if if you want a man that's going to have a lot of trauma as well men men do have a

Morgan (Drake)lot of trauma but if they live in that trauma if if like they're an emotional wreck you're not going to have a leader you're going to have the same person that you're probably counseling that that night I think like a mentally strong like I mean I feel like I'm pretty mentally strong myself if they if

Ellie (Debater)they can handle it just as mentally strong as I am then it it's fine yeah I'm just saying it's not a necessity it's like what we're saying no I don't think it's necessary all it's not a necessary condition but but it does make it does make things a lot more intimate

Brian Atlasas well though like to have that relation on certain things as well okay I don't know we have the uh age advancement so we'll do we'll do

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Kate (Boat)wants a woman with baggage that's true so I have a I have a thought on that okay what is it if men don't want women with baggage they need to work a little bit

Kate (Boat)better about not contributing to giving women baggage yeah but like chunk of my baggage comes from guys being [ __ ] and dicks but the new guy the new guy

Brian Atlasyou're dating he didn't contribute to your baggage he did not I know but that's so so how are you going to hold somebody accountable like blame a new dude it's not blaming responsible for

Kate (Boat)the prev not blaming the new guy it's just saying like as a man if you want women to have less baggage it helps you if you also don't

Kate (Boat)contribute and give women baggage I that sure I guess so because a lot of men out there do and then they complain that women are crazy when most

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