CHARLIE KIRK REST IN PEACE w/ Brian Atlas & Andrew

Date: 2025-09-12

Duration: 3h 56m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_04Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

Key Moments

IntroBrian opens solo stream reacting to Kirk assassination news

Key MomentAndrew Wilson joins via video call after raiding with ~15K viewers

Key MomentAndrew describes receiving close-up assassination video. Wife was crying. Kirk's daughter running toward him.

Key MomentAndrew: Kirk is first political martyr of our generation. Proposes 'Kirk Day' on September 10th.

Key MomentAndrew breaks down: 'can't take it anymore' watching celebration clips. Decides to leave.

OtherTrump's full presidential address mourning Kirk played

Topics Discussed

Kirk Assassination News/React

Brian reacts to Fox News and law enforcement press conference live.

Left-Wing Celebrations React

TikTokers celebrating. Dean Withers deleted stream. Kylie clips.

Andrew Wilson Joins

Andrew calls in. Discusses political violence, security concerns, Kirk as first political martyr.

Brian's Personal Kirk Memories

Kirk's two Whatever appearances. 6'5", friendly, won over female guests.

Trump Address

Trump's presidential address mourning Kirk played.

Tom MacDonald Tribute Song

Rap tribute to Kirk played.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonso we sent them on over to, of course, um my good friend Brian Atlas. >> Thank you, man. >> I know you've uh I know you're covering all of this, Brian, but um stop doing

Andrew Wilsonthat. I want to hear something totally different. Uh you know, you've had Charlie Kirk in your studio many times. Um, he did multiple debates with various women who were on the podcast. Tell us

Brian Atlasabout Charlie Kirk, the person, your interactions with him, bro. >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Um, by the way, I'm doing a new I'm going to get right

Brian Atlasinto that. I'm doing a bit of a new tech setup here, so I'm trying to figure Give me I'm gonna answer your question, but I'm just trying to see if I can get you on screen here.

Brian Atlas>> Give me one sec. Just one sec. I'm gonna because I'm usually not This is probably gonna be the easiest thing here. So, hold on. We'll do this.

Andrew WilsonUh, >> yes. Be dwarfed by the presence of Andrew. >> Oh, yeah. >> Be dwarfed. Be dwarfed. >> Oh, [ __ ] What now?

Brian Atlas>> That's fair. >> Uh, yeah. So, we had Charlie. And by the way, I even before I started my podcast, I was watching Charlie.

Brian AtlasLike, I was watching his his campus stuff. I mean, I think he'd been doing that since 2017 for a really long time. So, I was aware of Charlie well before I started

Brian Atlasmy podcast, well before he even came on. Um, you know, I'd watch Charlie, I'd watch Steven Crowder, I'd watch, you know, some of the Daily Wire stuff like

Brian AtlasMichael Nolles, all that stuff. Cand every all all those people. And um, but we had Charlie on in

Brian Atlasuh, it was like January, February 2024. We had him on a second time in June of 2025. And >> let's start with the first time he had him on. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Charlie Kirk walks in the studio.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> This is a large man. Yeah. >> He's tall. He's 65 or something. Tall guy. >> Did he give you the Kirk smile? >> Oh, yeah. He came in. He had his, you

Brian Atlasknow, entourage around him. And uh I give him a big handshake. He's got a big smile on his face. And uh he greets me

Brian Atlasand he he he greets the rest of my staff. Very friendly guy. Nice. super nice guy and then, you know, he was only

Brian Atlasable to, you know, do a a brief period of, you know, being on the actual show. So, he pretty much we we already had the guests ready to go and he comes comes to the table. There's like the eight, nine

Brian Atlasgirls or whatever. He introduces himself. He's super polite to everybody. Uh I I don't I think he maybe even I don't know if he shook everybody's hand, but you know, introduced himself,

Brian Atlascracked a joke or two. And then we did the show and he was, you know, uh he was very polite, very polite on the show, very nice guy,

Brian Atlasstreamed with us for two, three hours. And then uh you know, he uh he had to go do uh he had to he had to take off and uh you know, I I went back. I said,

Brian Atlas"Hey, thanks for coming on." thanked his whole team. Team his team was great, too. Everybody over there's super awesome. I think his I don't know if it's exactly his manager lives here in

Brian AtlasSanta Barbara. Local guy. Um >> how did the uh how did the women respond to him? >> Uh at first I think they were some of them recognized him and you know

Brian Atlashe's got all these vid viral videos where he's like debating people on college campuses. But so I at first I think they were a bit uh a little nervous, >> intimidated. >> A little intimidated cuz they're like oh

Brian Atlas[ __ ] Uh, oh [ __ ] >> Kind of like when I pop up on a video and they're like, "Oh [ __ ] it's Andrew." >> The deer. Yeah, they get the deer in headlights look whenever you come on,

Brian AtlasAndrew. They're like, "Oh shit." Uh, but uh Yeah. And um hold on, let me just check one thing. But as he started

Brian Atlastalking and just, you know, he he wasn't like really saying anything mean to the girls or anything, but as he started talking, uh,

Brian Atlasand we've seen this with some of the other guests, too, where uh the guest will win them over like over a period of time, Charlie Kirk won those girls over.

Andrew WilsonAnd uh, >> did he win you over? Well, I mean, he already I I already was a fan of the guy. I already liked the guy before he even came on the show. >> You know how sometimes they have the old

Andrew Wilsonadage, never meet your heroes, right? Because, you know, perhaps they're kind of pricks or jerks or this type of thing, and they have a public persona that they don't live up to behind the

Andrew Wilsonscenes. And in this case, it seems like the public persona lived up to the private persona when no when the cameras weren't rolling. uh he was a very decent man. At least that's what I'm getting

Andrew Wilsonfrom you. >> So, you know, uh when you say like winning him over, you still have to do that even if they're a bit starruck, right?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. No, and I mean I was I was stoked to have him. uh he left a really great impression on me

Brian Atlaswent from that first appearance and uh and I'd been in contact with with his team afterwards and and then we had him

Brian Atlason like a couple months later and this was all ramping up to the 2024 election and uh yeah it was great to have him on and um

Brian AtlasI don't know it's just to me it's still the whole thing feels like a fever dream like I don't And it doesn't even feel real. Like here's this person I I met on a few different occasions

Andrew Wilson>> who was horrifically assassinated. >> Assassinated. Yeah. Assassinated. >> Horrifically. Now, Brian, did you you watched the close-ups, didn't you?

Brian Atlas>> So, yeah. I I woke up yesterday and uh usually the first thing I do when I wake up is I I don't know. I just checked my phone

Brian Atlasand I get I had like a link. First thing I So, first thing I saw yesterday was I saw the video like the the close-up video

Brian Atlasand uh yeah, it's just completely shocking, completely disgusting. And uh yeah, just >> did it uh did it kill you over

Brian Atlaslike uh were you in shock? Couldn't really believe what you were seeing. seems surreal. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I

Brian AtlasI almost hopped out of bed in a panic like, "Holy fuck." I don't know. Um >> and uh >> I know I know it's difficult. I know it's difficult to talk about. I get

Andrew Wilsonthat. I will say >> real quick. I'm going to have a >> a quick drink with the Whatever audience. I haven't seen you guys in a long time. Uh that has nothing to do of course my relationship with whatever or

Andrew WilsonBrian Atlas. We both have a lot of stuff going on. It's very very good to see all of you. I'm going to have a drink in a kind of c celebratory memorial of uh of

Andrew WilsonCharlie Kirk. We'll have one real quick. Tastes great. And I'm going to tell you

Brian Atlasa story after >> Sorry. For some reason, you froze. I don't know why. Go ahead. >> You saw that?

Andrew Wilson>> When when all of this was going on, all this madness was going on. >> I got a text in the evening from one Brian Atlas. The very first thing he

Andrew Wilsonsaid, he sent a text over to my wife too, were these words, "Are you okay?" The question there wasn't just a matter of physical safety. Of course, um I

Andrew Wilsondon't think that Brian necessarily had any worries on that front. The are you okay is I think when guys like me and him see something like that, we

Andrew Wilsoninstantly understand could have been me. That could have been Brian. That could have been any number of creators that we know who do IRL events.

Andrew WilsonBy the way, he wasn't the only one. Pearl Davis first thing that she texted me is, "Are you okay?" But Brian didn't he didn't focus hyperfocus on himself,

Andrew Wilsonbut rather was asking the legitimate genuine question like, "Man, are you are you are you doing all right? Are you feeling all right?" Is that because you

Brian Atlaswere just because of how gut-wrenching that was, Brian? Well, I mean, I I was going through it and I mean, I'm sure,

Brian Atlasyou know, we're we're in the sphere and I figured you guys seeing that must have been you must have been feeling what I

Brian Atlasfelt and uh you know, I don't know if you've had conversations with him or anything like that, but

Brian Atlasuh when something like this happens, It's it sort of has a impact on all of us. So I just, you know, you and me,

Brian Atlaswe've known each other for a couple years and uh I don't think either of us wants >> We've been friends for a long time. >> Yeah.

Andrew Wilson>> And the thing is is like uh you know I I get it. Um my wife uh she just smiled and she was like, you know, thank kind

Andrew Wilsonof thank God for Brian because what happened I I got the the closeup. Um, I I don't know if it was before anybody,

Andrew Wilsonbut it was it was very very very early on before basically anybody I saw had it was sent over to me by somebody who was at the event.

Andrew WilsonAnd um he was in law enforcement and he said uh he said, "Andrew," all he said was this. He was like, "I I I don't think so." And I knew exactly what he meant. >> I knew exactly what he meant when he

Andrew Wilsonsaid, "I don't think so." And he and what he was saying to me too there was like, "Tell me I'm wrong." Right? Like, "Please tell me I'm wrong." When he

Andrew Wilsonsaid, "I don't think so." And what I sent back to him is, "I I don't I don't I don't think so either." And my wife, she was crying. She was like, "No,

Andrew Wilsonthere's no way. He's not dead. He's not dead." And um and I I after I saw that video, right, I said, "Don't don't look

Andrew Wilsonat this." Uh, but I'm I'm I'm confident he's gone. And she she was balling. You know what I mean? Now, now about an hour later, some of those close-ups were

Andrew Wilsonbeing released and she was scrolling through Twitter and like many women and many of you in the audience, they saw the horrific nature once the

Andrew Wilsonclose-ups were there. And she dropped her phone because uh it was it was gut-wrenching. I, you know, I told her not to look, but I don't think there's any avoiding it.

Andrew WilsonAnd it was just, she had just killed her over. Absolutely horrific, this assassination. And um I'm sure many of you out in the audience right now, you have the same

Andrew Wilsonstory. It was probably something very similar for many of you. And the second you see it, you realize uh just how brutal and savage this

Andrew Wilsonattack really was. and that kind of feeling of powerlessness.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, everything you just said resonates with me. Um, I like I said, I saw it first thing when I woke up. First

Brian Atlasthing, jump out of bed in the panic. And I mean, obviously, my first thought is just feeling awful for Charlie and then

Brian Atlashis family, his children. And uh and then just obviously the cascading effects that they'll have on

Brian Atlasother people. And but yeah, I saw the the first one. I couldn't bear to watch it again. It was just like every time I've like seen the clip pop up, I just I can't watch it again. Um,

Andrew Wilson>> now leftists, by the way, Brian, have been trolling me by sending me AI memes of this and the most horrific fashion possible. They send them to me via DMs.

Andrew WilsonI'm not going to show you any of these because they're they're god awful. But it's there a jab towards me along with many messages of well I won't even repeat those either they're horrific. I

Andrew Wilsoncan only imagine this too an angle that many people have not thought of. If I'm getting those a debater right-winger in the sphere

Andrew Wilsonwho has even more right-wing views likely than Kirk himself did. Can you even imagine what they're sending his poor wife? These horrible [ __ ] are

Andrew Wilsonprobably sending her the worst [ __ ] that you can imagine. And I'll say it here on this platform, too. Tucker Carlson re uh

Andrew Wilsonhe put out a give send go. He put $1 million of his own money in that for a total of $4 million, which is what he's fundraising towards. The Wilsons are

Andrew Wilsongoing to be contributing to that. I'm sure that uh that Brian will as well. But I'm asking you in the audience, remember that all the earning capacity of this man was completely eliminated in

Andrew Wilsonseconds. And remember that it's not just the horrific torture of his family having to see that live. I heard a story and

Andrew Wilsonconfirmed that it looks like this is true. That when the shot was fired, his youngest daughter was terrified. And guess where she ran? She ran right

Andrew Wilsontowards the arms of her dad. And she was she was caught. And what I heard on the ground was she said, "Why can't I get to daddy?" The most horrific thing you can ever

Andrew Wilsonimagine. And if you think that these [ __ ] merciless bastards aren't sending that poor woman the most horrific [ __ ] you can imagine, you're

Brian Atlaswrong. Because they are. Some of the videos, some of the stuff I've seen on Tik Tok, some of the stuff that was reposted from

Brian Atlason X, it's Yeah, it's completely disgusting. the comments I've seen on, you know, even the sort of, you know, what you you can do is, and you've probably seen these, Andrew, if you look

Brian Atlasat these sort of consiliatory, uh, videos or messages from some of these leftists like Dean or that girl an or Kylie, uh, you know, they'll they'll

Brian Atlasput out this sort of almost sort of crocodile tear, doesn't seem very genuine message, but if you look at the comment section, uh the comments on their video which

Brian Atlassays you know violent you know they'll say violence is never a solution blah blah blah uh the comments their fan base

Brian Atlasis still rejoicing in what happened and that's pretty emblematic of you know that side of the aisle I c I can't think

Brian Atlasof anybody look I'm not super politics guy or whatever you're probably more politics guy Andrew But I mean I could I guess I could ask you

Brian Atlasif somebody on the left wing you know Democrat or politician whatever or you know was assassinated I can't imagine

Brian Atlasyou or your audience would ever rejoice or celebrate the killing of somebody even if you didn't like them even if you you know you thought they were a scumbag

Andrew Wilsonor whatever it is. And it's through that mercy that we have become the victims of our own empathy because we're not lunatics, because we're not crazy,

Andrew Wilsonbecause we're not demonic. Um, that is now being used against us. It's being used against us in the most horrific of ways that you can't even

Andrew Wilsonimagine. and and maybe I don't know how many people even in history could, you know, but you can't even imagine what it has

Andrew Wilsonto be like for this poor woman to have thousands of people a party to the to the live viewing of the public

Andrew Wilsonassassination of her husband in front of her children. That is got to be the most god awful horrible thing that you could ever imagine a person going through.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. >> And yet, and this and this family is persevering, right? I can't even imagine that. I was told earlier by one of my audience members who follows Dean

Andrew WilsonWithers that when he came out with those public tears in the Discord, he had a poll. A poll was put up. Did Charlie Kirk deserve this or not? And 85% of his

Andrew Wilsonaudience, this is what I'm told, said that he did. >> They said that he did. >> They see this in the most sick, perverse

Andrew Wilsonway you could ever imagine. They see this as justice. He deserved it. He was a Nazi. He was a fascist. He was the most evil man alive. And Brian has done

Andrew Wilsona great job. If you go to his ex, Brian Atlas, uh he's done a fantastic job of cataloging these the uh vast multitude

Andrew Wilsonof uh the f, you know, uh unfuck America tour where they called him all of this and worse. And I've been retweeting it because it's excellent

Andrew Wilsonum to to see the contrast. These people don't care. Brian, do you really think Dean Withers and Parker give a [ __ ] Do you really believe that for a second? >> No, not at all. I mean, I they're

Brian Atlasthey're putting on a sort of public front for for optics reasons. I I don't think I I think there is something back there in their mind where they think

Brian Atlasgood, where they think justified. And obviously, you know, given their platform, they have, you know, some sense to not outwardly say that. Look, I

Brian AtlasI don't know these guys. I don't know what what what their hearts hold, but um >> but I mean, wouldn't you say that probably 40% or more, and this is I might even be way off here. It may be

Andrew Wilsonway more than that. You have to understand that Brian has dealt with maybe more feminists uh than any other man on planet Earth. That is actually a possibility. He actually may have dealt

Andrew Wilsonwith more feminist leftists than any other man who is currently in existence on this planet. And I think that he probably won't dispute this when I say this. These are

Andrew Wilsonsome god awful people. The things that they believe are god awful. And the justifications they make for the most horrible things which can happen to

Andrew Wilsonvarious men is it's not just offputting, but it's sick. >> And the how are these people really that dissimilar from a lot of these leftist

Andrew Wilsonfeminists that you deal with? Do you don't you think that 40% plus and that's me being very charitable, these leftist feminists are probably celebrating this today?

Brian Atlas>> Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I mean you you you raised a really good point and it was something that I was kind of discussing a little bit on my ex is

Brian Atlasthey use terms like fascist, like Nazi, like extremist, like far right, like all all these terms sexist, racist, whatever it is. that girl an who you you had I I

Brian Atlasreacted to it on stream earlier. You posted her thing and from her discord interestingly enough uh if you look at her Tik Tok she's doing you know she's crying about it.

Andrew Wilson>> Uh you know >> the public face versus what is said in private was was readily exposed there wasn't it? >> Yeah. >> Imagine a woman who has been seething

Andrew Wilsonfor many months. I forgot all about the debate. The second that debate was finished, >> the second that she was completely pulverized in it, one of their philosopher queens who got to devastated

Andrew Wilsonin the debate and said gay for pay and all kinds of crazy [ __ ] This lady said >> uh instantly when it when it was the case that there was a public assassination of a right-wing figure,

Andrew Wilsonthe tears were flowing. But how many times have we seen the fake tears? And then we find out in her Discord, she said, "Got him. [ __ ] it." You know what I mean? Uh oh. Uh uh, "I got him, guys."

Andrew WilsonYou know what I mean? Anything to get that kind of validation privately and then publicly in the public front. Oh, I can't believe that they can't. It's all [ __ ] It's all a game. And listen,

Andrew Wilsonone thing that Brian can tell you and can confirm, I've been in that studio, I don't know how many times. A lot of times the forward face that these women put on, especially these feminists,

Andrew Wilsoncompletely in opposite or in opposition to what they actually believe and you have to draw it out like poison. >> It's true. >> Y

Brian Atlas>> it's true. And I, you know, actually I saw that that Ann girl that we were just talking about on her ex, she said that Charlie Kirk is these

Brian Atlasthings. I forgot. I think she said he was a racist. An I I don't want to misquote her, but he's a racist, extremist, uh, sexist. I think she said fascist. I don't know.

Brian AtlasI don't even think these people could probably define what fascism is. Uh, but I think and this is something I mentioned this sort of I think this rhetoric is dangerous where they're

Brian Atlastrying to label people and most of these people don't even know what these terms mean. Oh, this person's a fascist. Okay, he's a Nazi. Well, um, okay, what should we do with Nazis? I mean, these people,

Andrew Wilsonuh, you know, we fought them in World War II. >> Well, imagine imagine the rhetoric here. And you I mean you bring up the the probably the best point of all. If the

Andrew Wilsonrhetoric is you're the moral equivalent of men who rounded up people, put them in a in a cattle cart in order to ethnically cleanse them in the most horrific ways possible. >> That's what you're the moral equivalency

Andrew Wilsonto. >> Yeah. You can't then go out publicly and say, "But I feel really bad that they if they're if they're if you're the moral equivalency of that thing, then it's actually worse for you to go out and

Andrew Wilsonpublicly say, but I didn't want anything bad to happen to them. Why wouldn't you want bad things to happen to Nazis? Why wouldn't you want bad things to happen to these people who are trying to

Andrew Wilsonethnically cleanse the entire world?" That's the contradiction. the upfront contradiction. And that's how you know they're full of [ __ ] Brian. They're full of [ __ ] They don't give a flying

Andrew Wilsonabout what happened to Kirk. They don't care. And they're celebrating it. This chat knows it. You know it. We all know it. And they're full of [ __ ] bro. They're full of it.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. And I mean a lot of people on that side of the aisle, like especially some of these younger Tik Tok people, Dean Parker,

Brian Atlasthey happily engaged in this sort of uh fiery rhetoric basically just trying to label because it's it's this the strategy isn't really

Brian Atlasquite as effective as it used to be, but it was basically you call somebody a racist whether whether there's any evidence for the claim or not, you call them a racist. Oh my god. And most people just buy it. They just buy it. This person's a racist. This person's a

Brian AtlasNazi. This person's a fascist. Whatever it is. And then they get labeled and then and then uh it makes it much easier to justify uh

Andrew Wilsonall kinds of, you know, whether it's >> Right. You're exactly right. The idea here being if you're an evil person because you've been labeled that, then anything we do to you is justified.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. And how many times I can't tell you how many times I've seen these types of post from the various femoids and I've debated many of the uh architects of what the whatever podcast destruction

Andrew Wilsonand there have been many who have come for the whatever podcast in ways you can't even fathom they've come for it and I've debated many of them and always

Andrew Wilsonthe idea here is I'm completely justified in doing whatever I want to Brian because thing made me feel bad and as long as thing makes me feel bad, I'm

Andrew Wilsoncompletely justified in in attacking uh this person in any way, shape or form. They don't care. They make a post talk justification. Brian bad. Therefore,

Brian Atlasanything I do to Brian is totally fine. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's uh it's happened many times. It's happened many times. And

Andrew Wilson>> well, how many times in just the last two years? I mean, this has happened so many times, in fact, that it's not even unexpected at this point where you're just like, "Oh, another one. Oh, another

Andrew Wilsonone. Brian Atlas evil. Therefore, anything that I do to Brian Atlas justified the I mean, these are some sick people, bro." Yeah, there is this

Brian Atlasthere's this uh interesting thing that people do and I I think anybody can do this but I I have sort of

Brian Atlasseen this more so from people on the other side of things is this going nuclear like you can call for example if

Brian Atlasuh you were to call somebody uh a a silly doodoo face oh you're you're you're a doo face. Some people will take even the slightest

Brian Atlasgrievance and they will say, "I hope that your parents your parents should should have uh you know not birthed you. Your mom

Brian Atlasshould have gotten a an abortion or uh I hope you uh you know somebody uh unalivives you." Just like crazy. I get that people, you know, okay, you don't

Brian Atlaslike what somebody says or whatever it is, but there is this component of going nuclear where there's a disproportionality in

Brian Atlasthe opposition's response to either imagined or perceived slights or grievances or just even differences of political ideology. And

Andrew Wilson>> and they can't even be reasoned with, right? You can't like I've seen you try. I've seen Brian. I've seen Brian like the audience doesn't know this and Brian will never tell you this, right? But I'm gonna tell you this anyway. [ __ ] Brian,

Andrew Wilsonright? What's he gonna do? I'm on a show. I can say this if I want to. I've seen Brian try to reason with many of these people. Like, what are your actual grievances? What What is it? What What

Andrew Wilsonare these terrible crimes you think I've done? And that actually makes it worse. The second he points out like, "What did I actually do wrong here?" and they have

Andrew Wilsonno response, they go 10 times more nuclear. They go way more crazy. And it's it's the most insane thing for for

Andrew Wilsona normal person to if you actually watch the escalation in these DMs of a person saying like, "What what what did I do wrong here? What is it that you're

Andrew Wilsonreally upset about them not being able to answer?" And so they move on to these other things. I mean, Brian's gotten for for you in the audience who who don't know this, he's gotten hundreds, if not

Andrew Wilsonthousands of death threats. >> I mean, more than you could ever imagine he's gotten. >> Yep. >> And some of them even actionable. The thing that's interesting here is like if

Andrew Wilsonif a creator is getting thousands of death threats, who else are they talking to? They're going to gravitate towards groups of people who are like-minded because that's human behavior. And if

Andrew Wilsonthey're threatening death on Brian, are they going to try to find people who also want Brian to die? Well, the answer is obviously yes. Obviously yes. And so

Andrew Wilsonthe what happened, how you extrapolate that to Charlie Kirk. How many thousands of people wish death on Charlie Kirk were very public about it and sent him DMs about this gravitated towards groups

Andrew Wilsonand all it takes is one mentally ill person that you start working on. So, like, is Brian safe from the same fate? I'm just going to be honest with

Andrew Wilsonall of you. No, you know, no, he's not. He's not actually because he does this podcast where he's not. And neither is any right-wing creator who's prominent.

Andrew WilsonUh, and Brian's not even that far rightwing. But guess what? Neither was Charlie Kirk. Neither was Charlie Kirk. And they assassinated him in front of his family. like

Andrew Wilsonuh you know I don't even know where to go with that except to just tell you like this is a real situation that's going on in real time.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I mean I'm I'm also just worried for you because I mean you engage with the politics stuff way more than me. You do more traveling. You

Andrew Wilsonyou do uh uh you know >> I do a lot of IRL I do a lot of IRL debates. You've done public stuff. >> Yeah, I do a lot of public stuff. I have a big one coming up in Nashville. But

Andrew Wilson>> the modern day debate. >> Yeah, the modern day debate. It's going to be a huge event. I hope to see all of you there. But here's the thing. This has been my credo kind of from the

Andrew Wilsonbeginning of the Crucible. Not one step back. Not one [ __ ] step back. I'm not going to not do public engagements because

Andrew Wilsonum of assassins. I've had assassins sent after me before. Uh that was very public. I'm Brian knows about that. Okay? And uh it's it's not the first

Andrew Wilsontime. It's probably not going to be the last time. We cannot take a single step back. We can't capitulate to the mob because they say that they're going to kill us with their rifles and this and

Andrew Wilsonthat. We do have to be smart and we we can't for a second forget what happened here, but we can't take a single step back. We have to continue the public speaking tours. We have to continue the

Brian Atlaspublic dialogue and debate. And you know, Brian, [ __ ] these people. Yeah. [ __ ] them. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's uh I don't know.

Brian AtlasI like to think maybe that these people are just misguided or I mean obviously not the violent people but I don't know some of these people

Brian Atlasare just misguided and maybe through discourse which Charlie Kirk was attempting to do we could convey a different approach or a better message

Andrew Wilsonto you know shifting the perspective I don't But >> but even if you know even if discourse works here, let's just say we get back

Andrew Wilsonto discourse and it actually really starts working again. We actually can find some good common ground with these leftist scumbag sons of [ __ ] Let's

Andrew Wilsonjust say that we could for a second. >> What was the cost? The cost was that we have to see this good man mercilessly murdered in front of our eyes and his

Andrew Wilsonfamily's eyes. That's a hell of a price to pay just to be able to conduct public debates with people who want to engage. That's insanity.

Brian Atlas>> How is this not insane? Like, do could you have ever predicted this timeline, Brian? Like, ever? >> No. And like I said, I mean, I'm still in shock about what happened. I mean,

Brian Atlasthis is somebody I've met who's been on the show twice, and I don't know. Never. If you asked me five years ago, hey, Brian, do you think you would have ever met somebody and,

Brian Atlasyou know, gotten to know them and they ended up being assassinated, I would have I would have been like, that's come on, that's crazy. But, uh, here we are. Um, and I mean,

Brian Atlasthere's obviously been an increase in temperature, increase in political violence. Uh, I don't know. It's just it's ultimately it's just sad. It's sad. And and it I'm

Brian Atlasalso though like there was a bit of me that was like angry. Like when I saw that video there was like a like a bit of a rage

Andrew Wilsonuh when when I saw what happened to Charlie. Like I don't know just for for everything. >> You mean you mean watching a guy that you knew

Andrew Wilsonget publicly brutally assassinated elicited emotions of rage? Well, gee, Brian, I'm super shocked by that. Of course it did. >> Yeah. >> I mean, is it any different if it was

Andrew Wilsonthe case that I was assassinated publicly? Now, you know me much better and we have a much better interpersonal relationship, so it would have affected you probably deeper. But, >> is it really any different ultimately?

Andrew WilsonThe idea here is >> they could get us all and they've been gunning for a long time to do this. >> Yeah. And you guys just like in the audience, you don't realize how bad

Andrew Wilsonthese people really are. Like what Brian has to deal with on the back end. It's [ __ ] horrific. And he tells you he tells you 5% less, maybe less than 5%.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I mean, I don't share I don't share much of it, but I mean, Andrew, I'm I'm sure it's just as bad, if not worse,

Brian Atlasfor you. I mean, you're Look, I you're the uh the

Brian Atlasthe one who I'm trying to think how I want to say it. You've got the spicier takes than me, you know, and uh you're a bit more uh with with the pmics, is that I don't know if that's the right word.

Andrew WilsonUm >> I've always thought that this was the wrong way to look at it. You see, it wasn't the assassination of Charlie Kirk wasn't necessarily to do away with

Andrew WilsonCharlie Kirk, though that was the goal. You'll be it'll be hardressed to ever convince me that the goal there wasn't to destroy the platform of TPUSA, which

Andrew Wilsonmade all of these inroads in these colleges, which was the bastion that the right-wing wanted to get into the most, academia. >> That's where they're crucial. And like

Andrew Wilsonif you listen to Brian's debates, he brings this up often. The feminists have the all the left-wing institutions, including academia, right? He'll bring this up over and over and over again.

Andrew WilsonAnd it's a legitimate point. But really, Brian, whose safety is more at risk, the guy who has those views or the guy who platforms those views in front of the

Andrew Wilsonmost amount of people, I don't think that the danger level's any less on the opposite side. uh the destruction of the platform to these people is every bit as important as the destruction of the

Brian Atlasperson. >> That is true. that I I guess. Yeah. I mean, but look, I I mean, ultimately, I'm I'm still worried about about you,

Brian Atlasabout Rachel, and look, I'm you got kids also, so I feel like that's, you know, another component. And uh yeah, anyways,

Andrew Wilson>> but you know, imagine though at all the views that I have, as contentious as these debates are, Brian has continued to platform me and continue to allow me to engage with the feminist views and

Andrew Wilsonengage with the left-wing views on his platform. That is perhaps even more dangerous than holding the views themselves. It's just something I wanted to point out. Brian's

Andrew Wilsonalways gonna be too shy to kind of tell you like a lot of the stuff that goes on in the background, but you know, [ __ ] that guy. Look, you see me on this big screen and he's on this little tiny

Andrew Wilsonscreen. Like, [ __ ] that guy. I'm going to tell you, this guy is mercilessly attacked and viciously attacked in ways you can't even imagine. They do

Andrew Wilsoneverything from lawfare, not just lawfare. I mean I the mass reporting it's [ __ ] insane what Brian has to go through. That's why it's like

Andrew Wilsonpeople go oh Andrew what about you go on there sometimes and it gets a little boy. It's like dude it you can't even imagine how much it takes uh going in the back end of the show. And so I've

Andrew Wilsonalways been hyper appreciative that that Brian has continued uh to platform me allow the viewpoints which will oppose the opposition viewpoints. Very rare

Brian Atlasthat you see that and so you know my hat's always kind of been off for that. >> Yeah. I mean it is true that there's a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes and I'm sure it's the

Brian Atlassame with you. uh about a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes that is a major major thorn in my side. Major stress stress uh and I I just don't talk

Andrew Wilsonabout it. I don't talk about it a lot of the stuff and you know maybe I could probably >> and you should more you know and in fact I think in some ways you should more because like ladies and gentlemen in the

Andrew Wilsonaudience in the whatever um community you can't really even fathom how bad it is. I've seen many of these messages and it's not like it's like, oh, here's

Andrew Wilsonhere's 10. Here's 20. >> We're talking about hundreds of insane lunatics who come at this guy. I mean,

Andrew Wilsonwe almost weekly. It's really bad. It's really bad. And that the idea is he takes a lot of heat, not just for his views, but just for the people he platforms. And I I'm telling you, one of

Andrew Wilsonthe primary motivations of the assassination of Kirk wasn't just Charlie Kirk's views, but it was the platform which was represented. That's what they wanted to kill more than

Andrew Wilsonanything. And it's like, so I, you know, as far as me being a target, sure. But I think that it's platforms who will allow oppositional views. I think that they're

Brian Atlastargeted even more. Well, I mean, with Turning Point USA, I I hope that somebody can I mean, I don't know who Charlie Kirk was kind of a

Brian Atlas>> You can't replace >> generational type of guy. I I >> But I mean, I'm hoping that the, you know, Turning Point can continue to at least do some form of, you know, advoc advocacy. I can't imagine that they're

Brian Atlasgoing to go away, but obviously it's taken a massive blow. And uh but yeah, no, you are right to point out that that and it's not just some people might hear what you say, Andrew, and just be like, "Oh, he just gets like nasty messages."

Brian AtlasBut there's a lot of other like kind of [ __ ] and bullshittery that sometimes it's even hard to put into words, but like people will try to mess with your business, mess with your channel, you know, the master the

Andrew Wilson>> Let me uh let me go ahead and put it in words then. uh they go after his family, they go after his friends, they go after his co-workers, they go after his business interests, they do everything that they can to troll his show, they do

Andrew Wilsoneverything that they can to hurt him personally. They do everything that they can to uh you can't even imagine the uh the kind of horrible [ __ ] people and these mean girl clicks, especially the

Andrew Wilsonfeminists. They get together in their sewing circles and they plot together. They plot together. Yeah. Because the guy's running a show with oppositional views. That's it. >> Yeah.

Andrew Wilson>> What else is Brian doing? He's just running a show, a dating podcast that has people who disagree with your takes on dating and they send him death threats. Charlie Kirk saying, "Hey, you

Andrew Wilsondon't have to be a liberal in academia." Of course, they were targeting him for killing. Look at what they do to Brian. He runs a dating show. Just an oppositional dating show. It's insane,

Brian AtlasBrian. >> I can't imagine. I I mean, the amount of hate that Charlie Kirk must have gotten and all the [ __ ]

Brian Atlasthat comes with it. Orders of magnitude greater. I 100x, a thousandx. I I don't know how how he would deal with it. And people trying to attack you from all

Brian Atlasangles. I mean, it just me doing this show like I I'm actually impressed by like I'm impressed by you. I'm impressed by well you know obviously rest in peace

Brian AtlasCharlie Kirk like but also Trump you know I'll get some [ __ ] thrown at me you know once a week or but the like Trump

Brian Atlasduring his campaign before the campaign when he his first term his current term this guy >> talk about lawfare >> this guy is every

Brian Atlasfive minutes he's getting some something thrown at him. And I mean, I don't know if like in order to like me, my week is rough just dealing with with what I'm

Brian Atlasdealing with. I don't know. These guys are super human to be able to deal with this the all the [ __ ] being slung at them. Maybe you have to be a little

Brian Atlascrazy almost to be able to cope with that amount of stress. I don't know how Trump does it. The guy's a [ __ ] he he's a tight >> because I have a great wife,

Andrew Wilson>> a great and supportive wife and you know the horrible things they try to do to her. >> Yes. >> Uh it's it's like it's it's insane the amount of because

Andrew Wilsonmany people perceive me as being an invincible persona. >> I can't take on Andrew directly. He'll [ __ ] destroy me. So, we'll just incessantly attack his family and his kids and try to hurt him that way

Andrew Wilsonbecause people are sick. >> But I need to tell you guys, again, the whatever audience, you're never going to know this unless I tell you. >> There's been many times where I've walked out of the studio where Brian's been like, "Well, you know what? [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonthem." Right? You know what? [ __ ] them. We're not gonna stop because a bunch of insane lunatic leftists demand it because I

Andrew Wilsonhave an oppositional dating show. So, don't let him sell himself short. He does a really good job in that regard. >> Oh, thank you, man. I do appreciate it. And uh yeah, a lot of the times my I

Brian Atlasmean my approach to whenever there's, you know, I don't know, somebody talking [ __ ] for for the most part, honestly, I just I've I've taken the bait a couple times, but honestly, I just try to

Brian Atlasignore it. I just try to ignore it. Just, you know, stay just keep on going. Um, and uh I did

Brian AtlasI did want to do a little update check here really quick and see if uh let me see if I can actually is there a way I can get >> Did you watch the uh the FBI

Andrew Wilson>> do both? >> Um did you did you watch the FBI brief? >> The one that was like an hour ago or something before you >> It was real. It was so bad. >> Yeah. Were they

Andrew Wilson>> They have nothing. It's disgusting. And like I feel terrible for the Kirks. They just want they they at least at this point just want the basic justice of apprehending the suspect. And this is

Andrew Wilsonterrible, man. Do you do you think that there's a chance that they don't catch the guy? >> No chance. >> Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why

Andrew WilsonI think that. There there have been people who have murdered cats online and internet slle will figure this [ __ ] out. Mhm. >> One of the good things about the hyper autistic internet community which exists

Andrew Wilsonand I'm talking to all of you on whatever. Okay, there and I know that there's some of you who are following this very closely. If the FBI and law enforcement doesn't solve this, you good

Andrew Wilsonpeople on the internet will solve this and you'll put clues together which will assist them in figuring out who this person is. In fact, I'm I'm willing to make the prediction tonight that the FBI

Andrew Wilsononly solves this through the help of internet slleuth like you guys. They're not going to give justice to the Kirks. You guys have to give justice to the Kirks because this is [ __ ] insane.

Andrew WilsonThe FBI has very little law enforcement at this event was a joke. I watched the first FBI brief, Brian. They said there were six cops there for a crowd of

Andrew Wilson3,000. Multiple of them plain clothes. That's it. That was the entire six cops for 3,000 people. And then they said, "Well, Kirk has his own private security

Andrew Wilsonteam." Well, that security team is looking for problems from the crowd of people rushing the stage, things like that. They're not up there looking for snipers and this type of thing. That's not their function. That's police

Andrew Wilsonofficers function. >> This was a failure at basically every level. >> It was a failure at every level. >> Yeah. I mean, do you think that

Brian Atlasum I don't know if it's right to, you know, imag like think about this, but um do you think that for

Brian Atlassomeone like Charlie Kirk, there was a protocol in place where there could be some anticipation that he could be shot? Like, do they have somebody on standby who's like ready to

Andrew Wilsondo uh like like a medic or something like that? Do you think that there might have? No, >> I think I think maybe there was an ambulance on site to do basic things

Andrew Wilsonlike a person has a heat stroke. They can take care of that. The medical team who was on site was probably for things like minor wounds, somebody fell down, they uh they went into anaphylactic

Andrew Wilsonshock because it got stung by a bee. Uh there definitely wasn't a trauma team on site who was ready for things like gunshots. And and really, why would there be? Right.

Andrew Wilson>> Kirk ultimately was very moderate in his views and the these were for the most part extremely respectful exchanges between him and the audience. There

Andrew Wilsonwasn't necessarily any reason to believe that leftist psychopaths were going to take a rechambered mouser and try to blast this guy 160 yard away. Uh there

Andrew Wilsonthere wasn't necessarily good reason for him to believe that. Now going forward most of the right is going to assume that and they should. The problem is is

Andrew Wilsonthat there's a bit of complacency which happened here and the complacency was the idea that you can just in an unmolested way uh be able to go on

Andrew Wilsoncollege university campuses and have these respectful exchanges without having to worry about a sniper in the wings. That's the normaly bias coming to

Andrew Wilsonfruition. And I don't blame Charlie Kirk for that, right? I blame the psychopathic left for that. >> Right?

Brian AtlasYou know, it's it's just uh I wonder in terms of stifling this sort of activity. Steven Crowder did this stuff in the past. I don't know if he

Brian Atlasreally does it much anymore. He had the change my mind stuff. I had actually contemplated and I think I pitched to you a while back like, "Hey, next time you're in person, let's just go to the

Brian Atlasstreet. Let's do men on the street. We'll we'll get a sign and it'll, you know, just debate people out on the street." And uh I mean

Brian Atlaslook, we're I I me the whatever podcast we're kind of uh uh you know, small fries compared to Charlie Kirk, but that's something doing something men on

Brian Atlasthe street style or you know, doing something on a college campus has been something I've contemplated doing. I mean, at this point, I'm at least from my perspective, I'm like,

Brian Atlasthat's kind of on the shelf right now. I I mean, but I don't want to look, I don't want to make it um I I feel like maybe it's a bit insensitive to make it about me. >> I understand you're not making it about

Andrew Wilsonyou, though. What you're doing is you're taking the collective of your experiences and applying it to what the new domain of politics looks like. big difference between that and trying to

Andrew Wilsonmake this horrific event about you >> in many ways. You may not realize this, Brian, but you are still paid for your political commentary. >> People are tuning in right now because

Andrew Wilsonthey want to know exactly how you feel about this. And by the way, so do I. >> And the and the truth is is that it's perfectly acceptable. And I understand why so many people on the right instantly were like, man, we got to beef

Andrew Wilsonup security. We were talking about this about the big Nashville event earlier with modern day debate. I'm going to make sure that the people who are there are protected. That's the number one goal. Not just myself and my kind wife,

Andrew Wilsonbut everybody who's there we need to make sure is protected. I understand completely what's going through uh various people's heads right this second. Now, I did talk to Steven

Andrew WilsonCrowder today, and as you know, I don't uh release publicly the the the context or generally content of what I talked to other content creators about, but uh but

Andrew WilsonCrowder's overall, I can tell you, his overall kind of mindset here was [ __ ] these people >> and if I have to do IRL events again, I will. And we'll do them in a way where

Andrew Wilsonthey, you know, where who cares what they do. If they have hand grenades, it wouldn't matter. Uh, so he's completely on the [ __ ] these people train and uh, you know, I gotta kind of respect that,

Andrew WilsonBrian. You know, [ __ ] them. They're B, you know, these bastards, they they can't >> they they can't uh uh intimidate us this way. If we allow that, we've already

Brian Atlaslost. >> Yeah, we actually we did we kind of brought the show to the street, the dating talk show. This was

Brian Atlasthis was pretty much exactly a year ago. It was a I think August, September. And uh we even the first one we did it

Brian Atlaswas me, my filmer in Madison. Uh we really quickly even just doing that just dating questions we were like we need security. And then by I I

Brian Atlasdiscontinued it after about I don't know 10 15 episodes or something. Uh, but by the end of it, I had I had a team. I needed like four security guards. I had four security guards and

Brian Atlaswe were just asking people dating questions and this is like a college campus area. Uh, so um yeah, I mean

Brian AtlasI think you know I had some kind of I was contemplating starting starting that up that up again. I was talking to Nick about it, but that's probably on hold for now. Um,

Brian Atlasyou're you're you're braver than me, man. Ch. I I I need to at least pause on that for a little bit. Um, but yeah, I want you to stay safe, man, because I know you're going to be doing some public, you know, in front of an

Brian Atlasaudience stuff and Yeah. Uh, everything okay? She brought you a beer >> or cookies? >> No, no. My wife um my wife just brought me down a fresh pair.

Andrew Wilson>> Ah, there you go. Light up. >> Yeah. Yeah. light up. >> Um well, look, look, I remember I was talking with Jake and as you know, um we're in the Rumble Top 10 now, me and

Andrew WilsonJake. Um we have a very successful show over there. Uh very good guy. I met Jake, by the way, through uh whatever. We hit it off immediately. Uh mostly because I couldn't understand anything

Andrew Wilsonhe said because of his stupid accent. But uh we still we still hit it off immediately. And I know he's devastated as well. I know Jake is uh uh I mean he's he's so

Andrew Wilsonhe's so enraged he can't hardly see straight but he told me about some of the man on the street things. I guess Ryan brought him along to a couple

Andrew Wilson>> and uh there was people threatening him even there Jake himself just for talking to him they were threatening him. Now, Jake is a professional fighter and he

Andrew Wilsondoesn't give a [ __ ] right? He's uh he's willing to throw a right hand as uh as quick as anybody, but even he was stunned. He was like, "Look, man." He's like, "Some some of these people, these

Brian Atlasleftists are just insane. They're just as insane on these college campuses as they are in Australia." >> Yeah. I I remember he actually Jake joined us for You know what? I might

Brian Atlasactually be able to pull it up. Let me see. Where is it? You know what? Here. Let me see if I can

Brian AtlasHold on. Oh, wait one sec.

Brian AtlasUh, so this is the guy you're referencing. So, here's Jake here. Oh, hold on. Uh, let me see if I can change this up. One sec.

SPEAKER_06Hey, I know I'm good, but you guys. >> Hey, I know I'm good, but y'all are cuck losers. That's Jake right there. Hey, I met you. I met you and I have a video of you and you're a [ __ ] cuck loser and

Andrew Wilsonas a man >> No, no, I'll say that. There he is. >> Respect. >> And look and look, you notice Jake doesn't back off an inch. He doesn't care. >> Oh, Jake was so

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. Jake Jake is happy to demonstrate his uh very skilled boxing. And by the way, I've seen Jake's boxing matches and uh he is a brutal brutal fighter. He's

Andrew Wilsonnever lost. >> Yeah. >> Uh and and Yeah. And man, the uh the boxing match that I watched between him and his opponent, it was uh it was very big. So, you see, he's just kind of like

Andrew Wilsonlooking at him like, you know, you go [ __ ] yourself, right? Yeah, >> [ __ ] go [ __ ] yourself. And that'll be uh Jake in the future as well. He's not going to take a single step back either.

Brian Atlas>> Let me uh You want to watch the rest of this or we'll watch a portion of it? Yeah. Hold on. >> Watch it. >> Uh I'm just going to put I'm just going to go ahead and pull it put it full screen. One sec. >> Sure.

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