ELECTION STREAM! Andrew Wilson vs. Brian DEBATE?! HATER FEMINIST JOINS?! | Whatever Podcast #6
Date: 2024-11-06
Duration: 8h 00m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00CBS News / TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_01CBS News Correspondent(audience)
SPEAKER_02Destiny/xQc Stream Audio(audience)
SPEAKER_03TTS Donation Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_04PBD Podcast / TV Commentator(audience)
SPEAKER_05CBS/Fox Data Desk(audience)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Fox News / Trump Speech(audience)
SPEAKER_09Fox/CBS Field Correspondent(audience)
SPEAKER_10PBD Podcast Host(audience)
SPEAKER_11CBS News Anchor(audience)
SPEAKER_12Destiny Stream / Debate Clips(audience)
SPEAKER_13Suzanne(guest)
SPEAKER_14CBS News Panelist(audience)
Key Moments
00:00:06
IntroBrian opens the election night stream, introduces Andrew Wilson as co-host
“all right welcome to the whatever podcast I'm your host Brian Atlas I'm joined today by my Caucasian Andrew Wilson we're going to be doing election coverage today”
00:44:35
IntroBrian introduces Suzanne — the Danish 'feminist critic' — to the studio
“I'd like to introduce Rachel — we have Rachel Maddow in studio — Suzanne Christensen. Suzanne welcome. my name is Suzanne I'm 40 I'm from Denmark Scandinavia Europe”
00:52:48
ControversySuzanne reads her original criticism of Brian: 'ignorant self-centered woman-hating psychopath'
“you really make it a virtue to pick the real moments where you act like an ignorant self-centered woman-hating psychopath”
00:58:45
QuoteBrian defends interrupting women on the panel — notes the panel is mostly women so he naturally interrupts more women
“the panel is predominated by women so it's more like of course I'm more likely to be interrupting women in general because there's more women speaking”
01:06:54
ControversyAndrew calls Suzanne out as 'not equipped to have a conversation' with Brian or Andrew
“you are not equipped to have a conversation with Brian Atlas you're not equipped to have a conversation with Andrew Wilson”
01:08:00
QuoteSuzanne asks why Andrew is so angry; Brian jokes 'nicotine withdrawal'
“why is he so angry why is he shouting — nicotine withdrawal oh that sucks”
01:26:00
Key MomentBrian's core argument on war: uses the sexual assault analogy — a woman assaulted is the primary victim even though men in her life also suffer. Applies same logic to war.
“if I stubbed my toe and my toe hurts is this a greater suffering than you losing a parent... so women feeling bad — not as bad as men dying in war. men are the primary victims of war because it's 99 percent men getting blown up”
01:42:42
QuoteSuzanne concedes men are primary war victims then immediately adds 'men need to stop starting wars'
“fine then it's the men — but then men needs to stop starting Wars then”
02:06:50
ControversyBrian credits whatever podcast with Trump's win (tongue-in-cheek)
“I think I feel like it's the best a guy who lives out in the middle of nowhere can do — just being a rock in the shoe”
02:24:45
QuoteSuzanne finally concedes on the bear vs man question — would take the man, especially a Danish man
“I think I'm going to take my chance with a man then okay because I'm terrified of bears”
02:33:00
QuoteBrian gives Suzanne credit for showing up to debate in person, unlike most women who message criticism then back out
“I will always give credit where credit is due the amount of women who voice similar criticisms to yourself who just refuse to actually... they always back out they always cower so I give you credit for actually coming and having the conversation”
04:07:30
Key MomentElon Musk tweets 'game set and match' calling Trump victory; Brian asks Grok who will win the election
“game set and match he's saying kapow so Elon called it — his boys have done a statistical analysis and they absolutely cannot see the pathway for victory for Harris”
05:21:00
Key MomentFox News calls Pennsylvania for Trump — 'it's over' — Brian and Andrew celebrate
“Pennsylvania there we go ladies and gentlemen — Donald J Trump win the state of Pennsylvania — it's over that's it there is no more Pathway to Victory for Kamala Harris”
06:12:10
QuoteAndrew Wilson admits his prediction was wrong — takes the 'fattest L of my career' — but says he's never been happier to be wrong
“this was the fattest L of my career the biggest prediction loss of my entire streaming career and I'm going to just fully admit it was a massive L and I was wrong but I am have never been happier to have taken such a huge L in my life”
07:00:00
QuoteFox News calls Pennsylvania for Trump, Brian declares Trump won and 'it's over'
“it is now clear that we've achieved the most incredible political thing — we made history for a reason tonight”
07:03:00
QuoteBrian and Andrew do the promised Trump YMCA dance after his victory
“Trump dance — go [Music] backwards y MC”
07:31:00
Key MomentTrump delivers victory speech: thanks family, JD Vance, Elon Musk, Dana White; claims 315+ EVs and popular vote win; declares the 'Golden Age of America'
“this will truly be the Golden Age of America — we've taken back control of the Senate — America has given us an unprecedented and Powerful mandate”
07:49:09
QuoteBrian's post-election reflections on 2024 stress and 2025 plans to get fit
“I'm in California I'm Behind Enemy Lines — 2025 is the year I get into shape I'm gonna get fit I'm gonna lose the dad bod get into ripped rich and rare”
Topics Discussed
00:00:06
Election Night Opening: Early Returns & Map Coverage
Brian Atlas and Andrew Wilson open the Election Night 2024 live stream. Brian encourages viewers still able to vote to go vote for Trump. They watch real-time AP and Fox News electoral maps, commenting on early state calls: Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia (Trump); Vermont (Harris). They discuss Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania as key battleground states. Andrew (co-streaming from The Crucible with ~6,000 live viewers) provides political commentary. CBS election coverage played on-screen. Andrew mentions a planned debate with 'Nala' (a Christian woman who had theological disagreements). Brian previews the upcoming feminist debate guest who will arrive soon.
00:44:00
Suzanne Debate: Is Brian a Woman-Hating Psychopath?
Suzanne (Danish, 40, self-described egalitarian) comes into the studio for an unplanned ~90-minute debate session. She originally messaged Brian in Sept 2023 calling him 'an ignorant self-centered woman-hating psychopath.' Brian reads her original message aloud and interrogates each claim. The debate covers: (1) interrupting women — Suzanne cites Brian cutting off a female guest; Brian defends as normal hosting; (2) the Madison OnlyFans moment — Suzanne misremembers it as a cooking channel; Andrew clarifies it was about avoiding the OnlyFans platform's sex-work associations; (3) her upbringing in an abusive household and hospitalization for burnout; (4) her male friend 'Son' who felt men were disposable after watching similar content; (5) body count culture — Denmark vs US, she doesn't track hers ('somewhere between 5-10 last 4 years, total unknown'); (6) body count from 2020 to now. Andrew calls her 'stupid' multiple times; Brian plays good cop. She borrows Andrew's definition of 'psychopath' and admits it was her perception. Leaves with a bow after Brian 'forces' her.
01:23:00
Suzanne Debate: Men as Primary Victims of War
Extended debate on whether men are the primary victims of war. Brian argues men die in combat at ~99%+ rates (citing WWI, WWII, Ukraine). Suzanne insists 'all people suffer in war' — soldiers die but civilians (women, children) also die from disease/famine in the aftermath. Brian uses an analogy: if a woman is assaulted, she's the primary victim even though the men in her life also suffer. Applies the same logic to war. Suzanne eventually concedes that if 99% of military deaths are men, men are the primary victims — but then adds 'then men need to stop starting wars.' Andrew and Brian react incredulously. Debate also touches on sexual assault statistics (feminist surveys vs. DoJ crime data), lesbian domestic violence per capita, historical queens waging war at higher rates per capita, and draft equality (Suzanne agrees women should be drafted).
01:29:00
Suzanne Debate: Body Count, Denmark Culture, and Feminist Perceptions
Discussion of body count culture. Suzanne says in Denmark sex is 'supposed to be enjoyed not accounted for — no punishment for a high body count.' Brian pushes back, noting Scandinavian men on the show still prefer women with fewer partners. Suzanne shares she lost her virginity at 17, last relationship ended 2020, doesn't know her body count ('somewhere between 5-10 last 4 years'). Andrew comments on the difference between Denmark and the US. Brian notes he's 'heard from Scandinavian men' that low body count is preferred. Also covered: man-bear woods question (she'd take a man over a bear, especially a Danish man), women fearing men as sexism parallel to racism.
02:13:00
Return to Election Coverage: Battleground States
After Suzanne leaves (~2:26h), Brian and Andrew return to full election coverage. Key updates: North Carolina called for Trump (~3:53h); Georgia called by NBC (~5:09h); Fox News calls Pennsylvania for Trump (~5:54h); Decision Desk calls election for Trump at 270 EVs (~6:08h). Brian and Andrew watch Destiny stream meltdown, Young Turks/Cenk Uygur cope, PBD Podcast with Cenk Uygur/Candace Owens. Andrew admits his prediction was wrong — 'fattest L of my career.' Bitcoin and Doge spike discussed. Elon Musk 'game set and match' tweet covered. Brian notes the AP refuses to call states that Decision Desk and Fox have called. Andrew discusses bet with Destiny ($2K Trump wins). Discussion includes: immigration as decisive issue, Hispanic male shift to Trump, Electoral College as 'DEI,' JD Vance as potential 2028 candidate, Trump's popular vote lead, and whether Kamala will concede.
07:00:00
Trump Victory Celebration & Victory Speech
Fox News calls Pennsylvania for Trump (~5:54h); confirmed by CNN, ABC, others. Brian and Andrew celebrate. Andrew logs off to 'spread misery on TikTok.' Brian watches Trump's victory speech live (~7:00h): Trump thanks JD Vance, Melania, Elon Musk, Dana White, Barron Trump (noted as very tall), Robert F Kennedy Jr, and Dana White. Trump claims 315+ EVs and popular vote win. Brian and Andrew do the Trump YMCA dance (promised if Trump won). Stream wraps up with final TTS readings, red sky callback, twitch raid to ampy, and plans for Sunday dating talk.
07:40:00
Stream Wrap-Up & Post-Election Reflections
Andrew ends his stream ~10-15 min before Trump's speech. Brian wraps up solo: reflects on 2024 stress and plans for 2025 (get fit, expand team). Discusses reaction to Pixie (previous guest) searching flights to Europe. Final TTS reads. Twitch shoutout and raid to ampy (playing WoW Classic). Previews upcoming Thursday interview with a famous film director. Announces Dating Talk on Sunday. Stream ends ~7:59h. Total stream ~8 hours.
Transcript
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00:55:26
Suzanneand I'm not saying either of them are wrong but it's but it's really not a way to treat people I think well sure sure so um I'll just go ahead and grant you
00:55:36
Suzannethat I interrupted her interrupting somebody means you hate women no but consistently doing it means
00:55:46
Brian Atlasthat well at least from my point of view means that you maybe means I'm a jerk it might mean I'm a jerk or I'm rude but how do you come to the conclusion that that's woman
00:55:57
Brian Atlashating because it's only women you do it to I I never never Andrew I look does he interrupt you as
00:56:07
Brian Atlaswell I I do these kind of I do in fact last show I was interrupting quite a bit but as the as the host and moderator of a podcast uh I interrupt people
00:56:18
Brian Atlassometimes I have to move things along sometimes people are a bit long-winded and you know uh not and sometimes actually um he interrupts some men on the show as much as yeah I'll interrupt
00:56:29
Brian Atlaspeople I think that's a bit of a stretch well in any case Well w we even Grant it I interrupt the women well I mean just interrupted me right now I was talking you just interrupted me you going to chasti I am such I am a piece of I'm a
00:56:42
Brian Atlasmanher Andrew a misandrist I'm a misandrist Andrew misandrist oh yeah but can you even be a mandris the the hold on
00:56:54
Brian Atlasso the other issue here is that that the panel is predominated by women so it's more like of course I'm more likely to be interrupting women in general because there's more women speaking also yes but
00:57:06
Brian Atlasin any case so just to be clear you uh someone is a woman hater if they interrupt women if they don't want to listen to what women have to say oh I listen to
00:57:16
Brian Atlaswomen all the time do you really I have six seven eight hour streams where I give a panel of women pretty much
00:57:26
Brian Atlasto Total open mic and I give them plenty of time to State their position in worldview you do that that's the basis of the show is giving like wh a lot of
00:57:39
Brian Atlaswomen who are just some of them have social media following some of them are total uh no media following just normal women and I'm here's a mic tell me what
00:57:48
Brian Atlasyou think yes you do that okay but so it's okay
00:57:58
Brian Atlashere so can you besides the interrupting example what's another piece of evidence pointing towards me being a uh a woman
00:58:08
Suzannehater or woman hating psychopath give me well actually I just
00:58:17
Suzanneneed well you had you had to check something go ahead good good good good okay no I just felt like I should waiting for you I felt like that was
00:58:25
Suzannepolite go ahead go ahead I think also one of the things I've also seen you in a show in
00:58:36
Suzannewell what they called it in a short I think Madison was talking about something she wanted to start a channel and because it wasn't becoming you very
00:58:45
Brian Atlaswell you went ah no do you want to that's really and that's the only you mean you want to become a you want to become a protitute
00:58:56
Brian Atlasand I don't think anyone should become a prostitute if they don't want to obviously not I don't think they should even if they want to I still think that you shouldn't be a prostitute even if you want to be a prostitute I still think that's bad I I think that's kind
00:59:09
Brian Atlasof a yeah but why would I trust you you're mentally ill like why would I trust a mentally ill woman to tell me that women who want to be prostitutes should be able to be prostitutes that
00:59:19
Suzannesounds insane to me I no I just think it's one of those gray areas where you where you like ah if if it I mean I'm not encouraging anyone to become a prostitute I don't
00:59:31
Suzannewant that to happen but I just think there is like you can't just say you should do this or you should do that it's like it's really a very personal choice but why would why would that be
00:59:42
Suzannewoman hating yeah but but okay wait it is like like if if if you can treat medicine that way you know if you can treat medicine that way this is this is
00:59:52
Brian Atlasthis is crazy people make personal decisions and choices all the time which are stupid hang on people make personal choices and decisions all the time which are stupid and it's really good if they
01:00:04
Brian Atlashave friends and they have advisers who talk them out of making stupid choices right this idea that everybody because they made a personal choice it's somehow okay is dumb people make stupid
01:00:16
Brian Atlasdecisions constantly and thank God we have people who talk them out of making stupid decisions that kid at 18 19 years old should not become an only fans you to haunt her for the rest of her life
01:00:27
Brian Atlasand I'm glad that I was able to talk her out of it and so was Brian why in the world would we want to see our friend uh hurt themselves like that why would we want to see our friend do that what's
01:00:38
Suzanneshe going to start an only fans like a prostitute only fans I was pretty sure she was talking about a cooking channel you know do you know what a slippery slope is oh yeah you're afraid
01:00:51
Brian Atlasshe's going to go down a slippery slope I think that's valid I think that is point I think that when you when you go onto a venue like o it's very easy for you to start with benign content and
01:01:03
Brian Atlasthen as you get propositioned by more and more people it's very easy for you to slide down that hole yeah I think so I think it is very easy but I think that's where you should actually go in
01:01:15
Suzanneand talk her out of that I think that's when you should be a that's what I I I did that because she wants to go on on the channel and cook yeah sure sure she wants to go she
01:01:28
Brian Atlaswants to go on the channel and cook and do you think that the men who are going to watch her on the only fans channel are going there to watch her cook or because they want to watch her stroke a dick which one do you think is more likely I like being completely honest do
01:01:41
Brian Atlasyou think that men want to go to only fans to watch cooking shows or to watch women take off their clothes and do things like definitely think they want to see women take off the clothes right me too so I talked my friend out of that
01:01:53
Suzannebecause I didn't want to see her go down that path well I think that's good but do you really think that was a way to go like scolding her like that
01:02:03
Brian Atlasyes yes I'm not going to when a person's about to make a a stupid decision especially young kids like that sometimes a good scolding is exactly what they need so that they steer away from that horrible decision that they're
01:02:15
Brian Atlasgoing to make why couldn't she do a cooking channel on Twitch on YouTube on all these other places actually you want Li yeah why would you want to limit it to only fans well because you think that you're going to make more money off of
01:02:27
Brian Atlasmen there who want to see you half naked that's why that's the idea and so of course oh that's why yeah all the way all the way all the way sorry sorry Andrew our audio was not boosted all the
01:02:38
Brian Atlasway my bad go ahead oh so so so of course I'm going to try of course I'm going to try to help my friend I'm not going to I'm not going to like I'm not going to let her destroy her life I can avoid it now if she said screw off I'm
01:02:50
Brian Atlasgoing to do what I want there's nothing I can do about that ultimately but I can at least try I can at least try and why didn't you suggest twitch I
01:03:00
Brian Atlasdid or YouTube I did you did yeah not on that real I saw sorry yeah well I mean but you don't you don't have all the information in cont I do not have it but
01:03:11
Brian Atlasthat's watch the entire thing but I did recommend that you she did a twitch YouTube stream for cooking rather than an only fan stream for cooking H is she going to do that then but okay I mean I think it would be quite fun for her
01:03:23
Brian Atlasactually that that's fine I mean I I'll move things on here a little bit but the two examples that you've provided thus far uh are not particularly convincing
01:03:34
Suzannein terms of establishing that you're a psychopath that I'm a psychopath or that I'm woman hating or Andrew's woman hating I didn't think say that Andrew was woman hating
01:03:46
Brian Atlasnever talked about him yeah okay fine you're talking about me but that clip that you're referencing I believe it was actually primarily Andrew who was encourage who was strongly encouraging
01:03:56
SuzanneMadison yes not to pursue that but it was your reaction I was reacting to my reaction was oh
01:04:05
Brian Atlasno what but what so wait so hold on can't you just speak I don't somebody who I work with who I care about no no no oh who's interrupting now you got to
01:04:16
Brian Atlaslet me finish so somebody who I work with and who I care about uh I gave a reaction of disap approval because I
01:04:26
Brian Atlasdidn't want her to get involved in uh either sex work or a platform that has a stigma associated with sex work uh how is this woman hating and are you prox
01:04:37
Suzannework just to be are you Pro seex work as I said I think sex work is a gray zone is what it's a it's like it's a gray Zone I don't feel like I'm very competent to say anything about like sex
01:04:48
Suzannework is good or bad because you know while I think overall sex work is really degrading to women I
01:04:56
SuzanneI have these you know I have come across a few you know examples where women just say oh it's so good and it's so empowering and I don't want to I don't
01:05:08
Brian Atlaswant to you know dis encourage them from from doing it because so sure so so look I'll come back to the woman hating part uh what what about the psychopath part
01:05:20
Suzannewell I think that's more of a perception I have of you but you have to understand that all of the things I said was a perception of you I don't know what your mental health issues are really okay but
01:05:30
Brian Atlasso was it hyper was it hyperbole I have no idea what that means uh like exaggeration exaggeration no but it's a
01:05:39
Brian Atlasgo ahead Andrew I was just saying a good example of hyperbole would be if you say um you went to the buffet and and you got a plate of food and you were talking to your friends later and you said I ate
01:05:51
Brian Atlasall the food of the buffet you didn't actually eat all the food of the buffet right but you you you say that because it's just like a common a common parlament a common way to say something
01:06:02
Brian Atlasso it doesn't mean you literally ate all the food that would be hyperbole by the way there are some ttss we'll let those come in in just a moment but uh go
01:06:14
Suzanneahead I think you should consider it more of a perception of you perception of me yeah the impression that you give me in those reals
01:06:26
Brian Atlasyeah yeah yeah what's the impression what I wrote Oh that I'm a psychopath but I don't know if you're a psychopath on wait wait wait but so in
01:06:36
Brian Atlasterms of the evidence that you've provided so far the two examples you provided were I perhaps sharply interrupted a woman and then the other
01:06:46
Brian Atlasone was I had a to some degree bewildered respon disapproving response to my co-work and friend claiming uh
01:06:58
Brian Atlassaying she was considering starting a cooking only fans yeah uh why why would this lead you to the like how how does that lead you to the psychopath
01:07:08
Suzanneconclusion like these seem like fairly benign responses yes but I still said it's my perception of you but also also
01:07:19
Brian Atlasif I may sure I think her parents were on the show Once huh I think her parents were on the
01:07:27
Brian Atlasshow run right oh no that that was um it were these two American Gladiators they were not her parents it was like a
01:07:37
Brian Atlasbanter oh we were bantering okay but it got clipped by somebody else oh and so people thought it were were those two were her parents but it
01:07:47
Brian Atlaswas like if you watch the whole pod the whole episode it's clearly a banter they're not they're not related but somebody clipped it and I think we like oh okay we thought it was funny so we
01:07:58
Brian Atlasposted the same clip but yeah those aren't her parents okay but she did she revealed her body count to her fake parents to her fake parents and they
01:08:08
Brian Atlasthey that one really got to me was like oh but okay that so what about my conduct in that clip did you find objectionable no more that I would have assumed that you knew that they would
01:08:22
Brian Atlasdisapprove of that and I don't think that's a way to treat people that you care about why I mean she's she said it on the show that's that's super weird wait that's super weird why why do you
01:08:33
Brian Atlasthink that a person's parents input if they're disapproving of the actions of their child and then you set up the engagement so that their their parents can tell them that is that why would you disapprove of that that's weird because
01:08:45
Brian AtlasI think that's a private matter I don't think that's anything that should go on the inet what if the parents what if the parents want to make it a public
01:08:54
Brian Atlasmatter who wants that I don't I don't know this is your hypothetical I'm just that's what I'm asking you is like if these people want to talk about this publicly why is that any concern of
01:09:10
Suzanneyours well because it's out there and I have to I I have to you know how do you say if it's out there for me to see I'm allowed to have an opinion about
01:09:20
Brian Atlasit yeah but you can also you can also have a wrong opinion about it right so the thing I mean that's that's the thing right it's like I'm just testing your logic here people want to publicly Heir
01:09:33
Brian Atlaswhatever their things are that they want to publicly Heir why would that be of concern to you if it's a family matter they want to Heir publicly why is that of any concern to you at
01:09:45
Brian Atlasall because I think that it's not even though we can say everything online I don't think we should okay well I agree and I would say um here's what I would say I would say
01:09:56
Brian Atlasthat me telling that kid not to do only fans or having only fans channels for the exact same reasoning that you're currently giving me right now is that it's because I don't want you to put
01:10:07
Suzannethings online that you can't ever take back what I'll be right back continue guys but they didn't they weren't talking about only fans they were
01:10:19
Brian Atlastalking about her no I know I know the instance that you're talking about they're talking about something different but what I'm saying is back to your first point the reason that I told Madison not to do an only fans Channel I
01:10:30
Brian Atlaswas using the same reasoning that you're using right now which is I think that people should keep some things offline which are private matters and I'm like okay great that's exactly why I would
01:10:43
Brian Atlastell a woman not to do only fans they should keep some things Offline that are private matters right like sex for instance or taking off your clothing or sleeping with somebody things like that I think those are private matters
01:10:53
Brian Atlasprobably should be kept offline right yeah definitely yeah so I don't even know why we have a disagreement I don't even know what we're disagreeing about here honestly doesn't seem like's much
01:11:06
Brian Atlasway yeah it doesn't even see like there's much in the way of disagreement
01:11:13
Brian Atlashere woman hating or Mist H I am back okay wait so um here let's go through the three
01:11:25
Brian Atlasexamples you provided so there's claims that I'm a psychopath and then there's claims I'm a woman hater from you so the three examples you provided are uh if I'm recalling correctly I
01:11:38
Suzannesharply interrupted somebody uh I and under minded and under and unvalidated her response also that you mean
01:11:50
Suzannedisagree no I mean I think I think you are allowed to disagree with people you're allow with your guest however I think that if you ask a
01:12:01
Suzannequestion and then they tell you an answer you shouldn't really invalidate the answer because then you shouldn't ask the question in the first place what's 2 plus two four yeah so if I asked that
01:12:13
Brian Atlasquestion and somebody says five you just said well if you ask a question and you you should just accept their answer so if I ask a question and somebody says five to what's 2 plus 2
01:12:24
Suzanneyes I'm going to challenge them on their answer in this case there is there is a really big difference between you know a factual truth and a perception you do know that right how do you know which
01:12:37
Suzanneone's which because factual are well facts it's like the sky is blue the grass is green all of that's wait you
01:12:49
Brian Atlasknow a fact is a fact because it's a fact yes but is anything you is hang on is anything you've said to me tonight a fact or
01:12:58
Suzanneperception no but no so so if it's a my perception yes that's what I said a perception an
01:13:08
Suzanneopinion a point of view and do you think very much different than a than a fact yeah you think we should accept all perceptions and opinions I think you should challenge them but I don't think you should invalidate
01:13:20
Brian Atlasthem okay well then I I would like you to challenge my perceptions and opinions of you right go for so here's my here's my big five uh first I think you're stupid two I think you're dull three I
01:13:32
Brian Atlasdon't think that you have anything constructive here to say whatsoever four you're a massive time waster and then five and let's get to the fifth one right none of your criticisms even make sense they don't even make sense so
01:13:44
Suzannethat's my perception of you can you you can I'm sure you'll accept that though right you know what I think you're allowed to have your perceptions Brian wrote back that I'm and raging
01:13:55
Brian Atlasman-hating feminists and that's not true either he didn't tell you the truth though he didn't tell you the truth he was being way too nice he didn't tell you you're stupid too that's what he missed he missed the apartment yeah he
01:14:06
Brian Atlasis quite he is quite cute isn't he who yeah I mean he missed that it's a key part he missed the key part where he never told you because he's such a nice person that you're all so stupid that's
01:14:19
Brian Atlasand that's that's the big problem and that's what I wish wish the truth he does even tell the TRU like
01:14:30
Brian Atlaswhy are you here having conversation with do this you're not equipped to have a conversation with Brian Atlas you're not equipped to have a conversation with Andrew Wilson you are not equipped to even have this conversation I don't even
01:14:41
Suzanneknow why you're here having it English is for second language why is he so angry why is he shouting he I'm not
01:14:50
Brian Atlasshouting he's nicotine withdrawal nicotine withdrawal oh that's sucks um okay hold we'll explore this a little
01:14:58
Brian Atlasbit more um but really quick are you a feminist no you're not a feminist no I'm not a feminist do you believe in equality yes okay do you want to get
01:15:10
Suzannerely want to get rid of the patriarchy I'm not even sure the patriarchy is real to be honest okay because I think that the the men who wants to oppress women want to oppress
01:15:21
Brian Atlaseveryone sure okay why do you have why do you have the lesbian haircut Andrew Andrew be nice I want to know told you why have lesbian haircut why do you have a lesbian she has the Rachel madow oh
01:15:35
Brian Atlaswhat do you mean be nice you called my friend a psychopath and now I'm supposed to be nice to you Andor ignor and ignorant oh that one really hurted heart self-centered and
01:15:46
Brian Atlaswoman hating which I I object to all four ignorant self-centered woman hating pych women then yes I do like women you say and you do believe in equality you can say all these horrible things to
01:15:59
Brian Atlasmy friend but I say I say a couple things back is be nice it's like oh okay well he said that that's actually that's a good point Andrew these are very egregious and mean things to say to someone yeah pretty pretty horrible
01:16:12
Brian Atlasthings to say to a buddy of mine and then and then I say I say some egregious things you think are egregious Suddenly It's like Andrew be nice why aren't you nice why aren't you kind like it doesn't sound very nice to call my buddy a psychopathic woman hater that sounds
01:16:23
Suzannepretty awful to me but but uh you did it anyway yeah he called me a raging man hating feminist also back he said it back yeah yeah but I said he came off
01:16:36
Brian Atlassomebody that's like that's like somebody coming over and punching you in the face and you punch him back and they go why'd you hit me I never said that yeah but that's what it's like it's like that you calling a person a bunch of
01:16:47
Brian Atlasnames and they call you names back and then you get mad about it it's like somebody walks over and punches a guy in the face and he punches him back and why' you hit me for but I but I didn't get mad about it I'm going to um really
01:17:00
Brian Atlasquick I'm just going to read the rest of the message here try to move things on a little bit uh it's go forward after the accusations of being an ignorant self-centered woman-hating psychopath that you directed towards me you said it
01:17:12
Brian Atlasreally opened your eyes to the ugliest side of the red pill community and realize how impossible it is for a woman to have any sort of relationship with someone like that however I'm skipping ahead a little bit here
01:17:25
Brian Atlashowever if you are ever in Denmark swing by for a glass of mead our local Brewery is quite good and that is the least I can so you were inviting me out for a date no I wasn't Oh I thought you were
01:17:36
Suzannetrying to hit my bad I'm so sorry well um well I'm going to have to take that back because apparently son did want to have a relationship with me after all not a
01:17:47
Brian Atlasromantic relationship wait who my friends in Denmark the one that I got you said this to me you said said if I'm ever in Denmark but well those were two
01:17:58
Suzannedifferent sentences the uglier side of it but that's I'm going to have to take the part where it's impossible to have a relationship with someone who is an
01:18:08
Brian Atlasincel or a bit of a red pill supporter you mean a friend like when you say relationship you mean friendship yeah friendship that's what I mean wait do you think do you think I'm an
01:18:18
Suzanneincel no I I think you have sex with women
01:18:26
Suzanneso yeah I don't think you're in celibacy at all actually okay uh but yeah okay and then but excuse me if I may just finish that one the second part of it where I was
01:18:38
Suzanneinviting you I mean I do feel like that was the least bit I could do for you because I mean even though I didn't want to know and I would probably have preferred to stay ignorant I
01:18:49
Suzannemean you delivered some pretty important information to me is Andrew Frozen oh no he sorry look like he's alive he's alive I think yeah no it just looked
01:18:59
Suzannelike the screen froze go ahead yeah so I mean even though it was bad news I mean that's the least bit I could do for for me yeah for
01:19:09
Brian Atlasyou like just be honest you wanted to get me liquored up in Denmark in a strange country and then take advantage of me sexually just be honest no no I would never take advantage of you
01:19:21
Suzannesexually don't worry about that even if I consented just kidding okay all right you consent well if you were like black all right if you were like black out drunk you know I
01:19:31
Brian Atlasdon't think you could consent actually uh so this was all back like a year ago September 2023 then you reached out
01:19:39
Brian AtlasWednesday hey uh gonna be in Santa Barbara R I randomly um yeah oh I
01:19:48
Brian Atlasactually PL that STP for quite a while let's see uh okay hold on so you also said uh oh so really quick your relationship status you're single I am
01:20:00
Brian Atlasvery single and you've been single since 2020 yeah um you're probably going to stay that way the rest of your life maybe she was in a relationship um but
01:20:10
Brian Atlasyou you are not an a fem cell you are also did you say your body count on body count I don't know my body count huh actually I don't know my body count yeah
01:20:20
Brian Atlasyou don't know your body count yeah um no one does cuz wrote no one keeps track nobody knows nobody knows her body count nobody knows that body count in Denmark
01:20:30
SuzanneI mean what no I mean that doesn't even logically make sense of course people know how many people they've slept with in Denmark yeah I mean there's a lot you can you can do it like a range to it but
01:20:42
Brian AtlasI mean nobody keeps track because it's not important I mean but I mean okay let's say you've had sex person who has sex for the very first time well then the body count they have a body count of one right so but somehow when they get
01:20:54
Brian Atlasto two or three they lose count actually I think it's around five when when when we come to five like people just starts no it's way more than five like maybe 10 plus 20 plus maybe you start forgetting
01:21:07
Suzanneone or two okay I I do feel like you know if it's a more than five in Denmark at least people needs to start counting on their fingers because you know nobody keep counts no one keeps track because
01:21:19
Brian Atlasit's not relevant in Denmark sex is supposed to be enjoyed not accounted for there's no points for keeping a low score no punishment for having a high body count [ __ ] boys and players are frowned upon for their disrespectful
01:21:31
Brian Atlasbehavior that makes men look bad people who label women as HOAs are considered Petty and whether a woman is considered a HOA mainly comes down to her display
01:21:42
Brian Atlasof self-respect not the actual number of people she has or have had sex with
01:21:50
Brian Atlasum true well I would I would say what makes a woman a HOA as Brian puts it is uh having a transactional relationship where she gives people sex for money I
01:22:01
Brian Atlasthink that Brian is misspeaking here he means [ __ ] I think that that is the correct terminology well that's what she wrote
01:22:09
Brian Atlasshe wrote I mean she wrote slute well she wrote H H um okay I guess continuing on with the notes although I mean I I
01:22:19
Brian Atlasdisagree with you I even even if perhaps the societal view in Denmark or uh these sort of more Scandinavian or Western
01:22:29
Brian AtlasEuropean countries um I'm pretty sure even in super Progressive Europe the men still are going to on
01:22:39
Brian Atlassome level be uh find a woman with a high body count a suboptimal
01:22:48
Brian Atlaspartner whether they tell you that or not I don't know well that's prob a lot that don't tell us but sure you know like like for example you realize we
01:23:00
Brian Atlastalk to men all over the world from Scandinavian countries and they very much they very much prefer women to not have slept with very many men they very
01:23:09
Brian Atlasmuch prefer that okay well I think you do tend to approach a certain segment of men well I well okay but that criticism
01:23:21
Brian Atlascan be equally applied to you if you're saying it's just dependent on the Social Circle Andrew and that's why you meet so many Scandinavian men who say that they prefer women with low body counts then I can use the same criticism back and say
01:23:33
Brian Atlaswell I would just say that it's dependent upon your Social Circle that you just hang out with a lot of [ __ ] and so therefore you're all coping H I don't really hang out with a lot of [ __ ] but I thought well appar I mean you must if none of them keep cting how
01:23:45
Brian Atlasmany men they slept with because they slept with so many that they can lost count right they lost who loses count who loses count of like how many people you've had
01:23:55
Suzannethat's ay deal I would think right well neither do the men they don't keep count either so you think sound are [ __ ] yes
01:24:07
Brian Atlaswell many yeah sure of course I would I would condemn that as well but it sounds like it's a Social Circle thing if the men that you know are [ __ ] and the women you know are [ __ ] well then it sounds like you hang out with a bunch of [ __ ] right like I don't know else to
01:24:19
Brian Atlassay like what do you want me to say well I do hang out with quite a lot of people from different Social Circles but the here's the thing also so let's say a man is inclined towards having
01:24:31
Brian Atlascasual sex and he's trying to have casual sex with you or with a woman he's not going to bring up any sort of Body Count objections if his motivation is to
01:24:42
Brian Atlas[ __ ] you because oh like it's it's he's not going to get what he wants if he starts like essentially trying to shame you for your past conduct Brian Brian
01:24:53
Brian Atlasthey're calling it Mark they called Mark I like that I like that the Gen Mark Mark um but uh obviously not do you have
01:25:05
Brian Atlasdo you have a s because like I know sometimes you can't account for if you have like a body count that's maybe 30 40 50 plus you're not going to maybe
01:25:14
Brian Atlasremember every single one but you can start like recalling encounters and you can start at least determining well it's above 20 it's about 30 do you have a
01:25:24
Brian Atlassense of the range like is it 100 plus no I don't think so 50 plus okay so it's like 99 or maybe okay well your guess is as good as mine
01:25:36
Brian Atlasthat's also what I wrote yeah you did write your guess is as good as mine um well how about this your last relationship ended in 2020 yes that was
01:25:46
Brian Atlasfour years ago um can you do cuz you're 40 right so I mean when did you lose your vCard virginity when I was 17 17 so
01:25:57
Brian Atlasthat was was like early 2000 like wait probably 2003 like insync was still a thing I
01:26:08
Brian Atlasguess I don't know um I do remember Instinct so like look if you forget a couple of the college hookups in De genmark um you know you forget a couple
01:26:18
Brian Atlasback you know it was the early 2000s um what about in the past four years though your last relationship ended 2020 what's the what's the body count from the past
01:26:32
Suzannefour years goodness um that is a very very good question as we would say when I don't know the answer to it
01:26:44
Brian Atlasum I don't know I don't remember what is it you look surprised I just nuked everything off my
01:26:54
Brian Atlassound sorry I nuked everything off my soundboard okay so look um oh [ __ ] yeah can you calculate for the past four
01:27:04
Suzanneyears I don't know is it more than 10 probably not more than somewhere between 5 and 10 I don't know
01:27:15
Brian Atlasokay all right uh you also wrote I'll move off of the body count thing you also wrote that bro bro this chick's [ __ ] we should get back
01:27:26
Brian Atlasto the El coverage she's cost me 900 live viewers so far the talking to this broad dude Andrew we'll get we'll get soon soon
01:27:36
Brian Atlassoon soon all right soon soon oh I need to shout a little bit more of you just change call call you shitty names uh so
01:27:46
Brian Atlasokay go ahead that would be that would be better than way you do it now I'm sorry just I'm too po I'll make it more
01:27:54
Brian Atlasinteresting so you wrote I do think that uh well you wrote that you think that I should get some education on a
01:28:05
Brian Atlascoup couple of journalistic disciplines for my own sake might argue that his but you might argue that his lack of them has made him very
01:28:16
Brian Atlasrich what journalistic disciplines are you what are you talking about well I asked you what you actually wanted to
01:28:27
Suzannetalk about prior to this show and you didn't give me a response to that it's like oh yeah I'll just we'll just cross that bridge when we get there no that a little bit of research
01:28:39
Brian Atlaswould be nice A little what a little bit of research would have been nice you reached out to us over a year ago you had ample opportunity and you
01:28:49
Brian Atlasadmit to have watched the show yeah I said I asked asked you some casting questions which you were like
01:28:58
Brian Atlasquestioning how to respond yeah um in fact I think hold on I'm scrolling up through the notes I said okay so the
01:29:08
Brian Atlasmessage you sent back in 2023 yeah you act like an ignorant self-centered woman hating psychopath and then to do with this now no no no in
01:29:19
Brian Atlas2023 I say how about you come on the show and debate erroneous points yeah and I didn't want to do
01:29:30
Brian Atlasthat in 2023 but you're like well hey Brian I'm I'm in Santa Barbara let's come on the podcast of
01:29:39
Brian Atlascourse I'm going to ask you about your criticisms that you made no but that's that's legit that's valid but that's the problem the problem was yeah but that
01:29:51
Suzannewas wait what's the problem what's the problem um that you know that you asked me back then and you
01:30:01
Suzanneknow while I wasn't really you know having it you might say um I just think that you know considering that you
01:30:11
Suzanneactually made it possible for me to talk to S again I think it was maybe it wasn't too unreasonable to just come on the show and I don't know what you wanted to ask about any crazy sex
01:30:22
Suzanneexperiences I I don't know I lived for 40 Years bro of course I've had a couple of weird experiences but it's like if you don't want no what if you don't give me any
01:30:33
Brian Atlaslike sort of prompt you know it could be really I I don't know what I'm talking about I don't know what I should be talking about well I mean the those are the casting questions we send to anybody who
01:30:45
Brian Atlaswants to come on the show but then you also sent a message and I invited you to what's your angle on this anyways it's like what do you mean what's my what's my angle on what well you know journalists speak about ankles or we um
01:30:58
Brian Atlaswe're just having we're having a conversation and we're exploring your criticisms of the show and myself you know an interiew that's the angle oh well that would have been nice to
01:31:09
Brian Atlasknow but you didn't write anything how I wrote it what are you talking about it was the you sent us message with your criticisms and I said
01:31:19
Suzannecome debated on the show oh but that was a year ago so change so well then why did you send me the why the have you any
01:31:30
Suzanneoriginal no what was it crazy dating experiences what has that got to do with my criticism it doesn't I know but you know
01:31:40
Brian Atlaswhat do you know what addenda means in addition to so I wanted to yeah so it's a dating discussion show we were going to schedule you hopefully for a dating talk panel but we're not doing one today
01:31:52
Brian Atlasyou only in town for today yeah you're actually kind of getting the red carpet treatment by being even being allowed to come on our election discussion but I thought it'd be interesting we're not talking about elections
01:32:02
Brian Atlaseither yeah we're doing an intermission to oh have like a debate with a feminist so oh what what okay you said education
01:32:11
Brian Atlason a couple of journalistic disciplines what what what are you talking about among other things research um what do you mean
01:32:22
Suzanneresearch research what do you know the information of an angle that would have been nice um what what the in what are you talking about thing you don't know anything
01:32:34
Suzanneabout these things do you don't know anything about what how journalists actually work I'm not a journalist I know you're not a journalist but maybe that would help you in what way would it help
01:32:48
Suzanneme well not to get rich because you already are that but maybe to be a a little more structured around your talks structured around my yeah well you
01:33:00
Brian Atlascall this a talk I I would say was I yeah okay for so a couple things so one it's a dating discussion podcast first
01:33:09
Brian Atlasoff and secondly your criticisms when it comes to journalistic Integrity or journalistic discipline these would be better targeted towards actual
01:33:20
Brian Atlasjournalists who report on for example politics who have been slandering Donald Trump for the past what uh 12 years or whatever wa that would have been nice
01:33:30
Brian Atlasalso they should also get some some years but you're Progressive you're liberal right liberal am I probably oh yeah that's what are you not if you
01:33:42
Suzannecould vote who would you vote for Camala Harris or Donald trumpa Harris but that's that's probably because you're Lial European and you know Camala would do it better for Europe who predominates journalism do you think it's
01:33:54
Brian Atlasconservatives or do you think like who well in Denmark it's the it's um what do you call them yeah they are very Lial they're liberal they're left leaning yeah so in the U the US the uh in terms
01:34:07
Brian Atlasof people's political orientation they predominate in journalism Jour journalism School in all these Publications there's a massive left-leaning Progressive bias when it
01:34:17
Suzannecom a journalist issue so you should direct that towards them I'm not a journalist I'm entertain but maybe you could I just said a couple journalistic disciplines I
01:34:28
Brian Atlasdon't say you should be a journalist if you don't want to be that then don't be it how would in okay so explain to me how my conduct is not meeting up to this uh criteria for journalistic integrity
01:34:40
Brian Atlaseven though I'm not a journalist it was just a suggestion gee don't freak out about it okay so that's cool tone policing why don't you actually engage with the argument okay
01:34:56
Suzanneyeah I do think that would be nice if you were a little more structured around your speak or around your interviews my show is very structured but what I don't understand your
01:35:06
Suzannecriticism what does that mean to be structured that you don't talk in east and west about this you know this topic or that topic that would be nice yeah
01:35:18
Brian Atlasthat literally doesn't make any sense but can you try to explain it in a way I people can actually comprehend what you're yeah it was totally incoherent but try again
01:35:30
Suzanneokay well so far we talk about the criticism every single one of my criticisms we talked about my body count which I don't really think is very relevant to my criticism it was just a
01:35:41
Brian Atlaspiece of information I just yeah it came up in in the pre-show notes yeah I know okay but that's like two different topics isn't
01:35:52
Suzanneit so you're only allowed to have conver you can't have a conversation about different things I think you should very much have a conversation about's your criticism but I'm just saying if you
01:36:02
Suzannewant to be I don't know if you want to have these journalistic angles then just be stick to one topic and then we can like
01:36:11
Brian Atlastake all of my criticism stick to one we're going through all the topics yeah what's what would actually be wrong with that like for example I watched I
01:36:22
Brian Atlaswatched a very biased New York Times Reporter interview this was from three weeks ago but I watched it today interviewed JD Vance the vice presidential uh candidate under uh
01:36:33
Brian AtlasDonald Trump for the Republican party is incredi incredibly biased but they hit like all they talked about immigration they talked about abortion they talked about uh economic policy they talked
01:36:44
Suzanneabout um they would have been talking about you're not person's opinion about all of these topics to present the candidate yeah they're all different topics Ryan that's no they're all
01:36:55
Brian Atlasdifferent topics no in an interview hold on hold on in an interview you need not oh well I'm interviewing this person I can only speak about immigration no no
01:37:07
Brian Atlasin a conversation you can hit like multiple topics what's your criticism well in the in the what's it called the article that you read they were probably
01:37:19
Suzanneintroducing the candidate that's one topic that's one journalistic topic it was a video but I oh I'm sorry about that I'm sorry but my bad this is still
01:37:30
Suzannea bit incoherent by the way is Andrew did he go off stream he is just oh okay that's fine he just he just ran away it's okay it's okay we too stupid to be online yeah well me and me and you
01:37:42
Brian Atlaswill'll finish up the conversation if Andrew wants to jump in he can but um so you've not really do you want to try to make a point on the journalistic Integrity or discipline thing or do you
01:37:53
Brian Atlaswant to move on oh let's just move on it's fine okay because I you've not really been able to establish or even make a coherent point on that but or
01:38:03
Brian Atlasmaybe you refuse to like understand me that's also that's also a possibility well I mean here's what you said Brian you talk about a lot
01:38:12
Brian Atlasof different topics on your Show air go that's like unethically that's like journalistic it's not it's not unethical that's not what I said so what
01:38:24
Suzannehow would it okay so explain it to me I never said it was unethical that part was that mean you said journalistic discipline the journalist no journalistic dis they're called discipline you did say discipline but
01:38:36
SuzanneI'm assuming you meant Integrity no so what do you mean oh goodness now I need to find a word
01:38:48
Suzanneum I'm sorry well you know English isn't my first language yeah what's what are those called principles principles yes thank
01:39:01
Suzanneyou okay so what journalistic principles do I need do you think I should adhere to well first of all information like inform inform what inform your guests
01:39:13
SuzanneErgo me I would have liked to have been informed did I did well then don't ask about other questions what do you what about okay you also asked if there was
01:39:24
Brian Atlassomething I disagreed with you on on the show I also sent you a very long list of that I haven't got I have not got through all the notes so we can
01:39:32
Brian Atlascertainly get into those yeah but I was I take one thing at a time perfect but but that doesn't have anything to do with criticism what does it have to do
01:39:44
Brian Atlaswith journalistic uh principles what are you talking about well in journalist school we learned that you should always stick to
01:39:54
Suzanneone angle at a time like there needs to be one topic that you take and whether that is introducing a candidate or telling or you know um what is it called
01:40:05
Suzanneconfronting a criticism or anything else it should just stick to that one thing for instance and when you do your research
01:40:16
Brian Atlaslike your pre- show notes then make sure to just have it all one all in one thing yeah that doesn't really still totally
01:40:28
Brian Atlasincoherent um okay well then we're going to move on if you think it's incoherent yeah I mean I don't even know how to tackle your criticism I mean it's you've not provided any evidence for again I'm
01:40:38
Brian Atlasnot a journalist but even if I was There's No journalistic Lack uh lack of principle or dis discipline or
01:40:47
Brian AtlasIntegrity because I told you I want to talk about your criticisms on the show well then why did you ask me about my dating
01:40:57
Brian Atlasexperiences and my body because part of the show one of the conversations that comes up frequently is about body count you
01:41:07
Brian Atlashave a world view disagreement when it comes to the perception of people's promiscuity and apparently where you're from Denmark people don't seem to not
01:41:17
Brian Atlascare about someone's past sexual promiscuity or how many sexual partners they've had that's a dis disagreement there that that we have you seem to
01:41:28
Brian Atlaspoint to the body count uh conversation as evidence perhaps pointing towards your accusation towards me of me being a woman hater and ignorant and
01:41:38
Brian Atlasself-centered and a psychopath so it's material to your previous uh criticisms okay but in any case it's kind of just
01:41:48
Brian Atlastone placing but I'll move on so yeah do that uh host claims that war is the biggest grievance of men bigger than any grievance of women you don't think that I'm right you think that war is the
01:42:00
Brian Atlasbiggest grievance of all Ordinary People the men who dies in battle the Mothers Daughters sisters friend that loses a loved one the casualties that are not fighting but can't escape and or subjected to abuse or torture the people
01:42:12
Brian Atlasthat die in the aftermath of war from Hunger public execution and diseases yeah okay so really quick um who do you think is the primary victim
01:42:20
Brian Atlasof war men or women as I said all so you don't think it's men no okay I don't I don't think it's men I don't think it's
01:42:29
Brian Atlasonly men yeah so uh Denmark it's um not far from Ukraine right so currently there's a military conflict in Ukraine um let me just ask since this is perhaps
01:42:40
Brian Atlasa bit more uh relevant to you uh who's the primary victim of the Ukraine war men or women I think it's all of them so even if I could even if I pointed towards uh
01:42:52
Brian AtlasI don't know the exact number but there's maybe tens of thousands maybe I don't know if it's in the hundreds of thousands of male military deaths on both sides collectively uh and
01:43:03
Brian Atlasthere's probably no female military deaths at all uh no most most of the women are in the resistance most of the women in Ukraine
01:43:12
Suzanneare in the resistance no no most of the the casualties that are women are in the
01:43:20
Brian Atlasresistance I'm sorry what what do you mean the resistance when Russia are you talking about Ukrainian militias well I would call them
01:43:32
Suzanneresistance people because Ukraine has a professional Army I know they have a professional army they also they also have quite a lot of um patriotism and the women wanted to fight the women who
01:43:44
Brian Atlaswants to fight that are willingly engag battle sure so what percentage of uh I'm not sure even granting this what percentage of uh female
01:43:53
Suzannemilitary casualties are there on the Ukrainian side I have no idea actually I have no idea I do I do know that most of the people fighting are men and I also
01:44:03
Suzanneknow most of the Russians that are fighting and dying are men um mainly from smaller Villages out in the middle
01:44:13
Brian Atlasof [ __ ] okay so knowing that let's say that 99% of the military casualties are men MH you're still prepared to say that it's the primary victim of war
01:44:26
Suzanneis all all all both both both men and women yes they just get hit in different ways because well I do have the numbers from
01:44:38
Brian Atlasthe second world war at least mhm yeah um what about on the Russian side no cuz so Russia Russia's the invading country so Russia yeah they also lost
01:44:49
Brian Atlasquite a lot of soldiers they're bringing in North Koreans now so that's EXC exciting that walk keeps getting more and more exciting so is it even on the Russian side it's it's all to it's not
01:45:02
Brian Atlasthe men that are that are what dying qu we're going to we can't do split just cuz it's uneven um maybe I'll I can try to fix it
01:45:12
Suzannebut yeah um oh but I do have the I have the numbers from the second world war if you're interested in the casualties there sure let's hear it yeah or was it it's somewhere the soldiers who died it
01:45:25
Suzannewas somewhere between 22 and 30 million according to the to the UN so they don't really that they have the numbers mhm the Jews that were executed that was
01:45:35
Suzannelike 5 six millions those were divided between those were both men and women that died in concentration camps but the real kicker of war is always that in the
01:45:46
Suzanneaftermath when everything was like blown into pieces and everybody died about 19 million people stared to death or died
01:45:54
Suzannefrom diseases both mhm well since all the soldier had died at that point men women children old people mhm all of
01:46:04
Suzannethem um and I think it just comes to show that men aren't the only ones who who are victims of war even though those are the ones dying in the
01:46:17
Brian Atlastrenches I mean it's amazing to me that um you're struggling with this concept so even looking at World War II yeah you
01:46:27
Brian Atlasknow what is it 20 million military deaths 22 to 30 million yeah well then there's like the Casual the casualties which includes like injuries maming this
01:46:37
Brian Atlassort of thing which is even higher if you're factoring casualties and if you're defining that as uh injuries also uh so I don't think so 20 million men
01:46:47
Brian Atlasdied in World War II yeah military men yeah how can you possibly come to the conclusion that this doesn't have a greater disproportional impact on
01:47:04
Suzannemen because the proportions are so little portions are so little yeah I mean if if you count it from 19 million
01:47:15
Suzanneto 22 million what do you mean 19 million people died in the after mouth of War those were not soldiers yeah but it was probably there
01:47:26
Brian Atlaswas some distribution like it might it might have slightly been a bit more women in the civilian population that died but it's also boys and girls so children boys and girls that would that
01:47:39
Brian Atlaswell boys and girls and elderly people that would have been distributed fairly equally yeah assuming that they weren't
01:47:47
Suzanneout fighting I mean they the soldiers did become pretty young at some point so I that's ridiculous um well it's ridiculous to put children into wall but
01:48:01
Brian Atlasyou know those there were resistance people remember so remember earlier in the conversation when your friend said oh well men are viewed as I don't know if the exact word you but men are viewed as
01:48:13
Brian Atlasdisposable yeah he does you won't even Grant in this situation that men are the primary victims of war so you you clearly view men as disposable because
01:48:25
Brian Atlasyou can't even Grant you can't even Grant in the incontrovertible situation where it's evidently clear that men are the primary victims of something you won't even
01:48:36
Brian Atlasgrant that men are the primary victims of war I don't think men are disposable but you're saying all people suffer in war all all people suffer in
01:48:47
Suzannewar yeah okay let me ask you a question you can't even that all people suffer in war have you ever had a uh have you ever had a loved one passed away quite a few
01:48:57
Brian Atlasif I stubbed my toe stubbed my toe and my toe hurts is this a greater suffering than you losing a
01:49:07
Brian Atlasparent oh that depend which parents let's assume one that you loved I would say yeah okay so women feeling bad
01:49:23
Brian Atlasnot as bad as men dying in war no I don't think that but women did die at the same rates as
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Suzannemen I'm not sure actually how are you not sure because who fights Wars who fights Wars men fights Wars okay who dies in war most who dies in war most of
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Suzannethe soldiers who die in war men I will give you that okay so men are the primary victims of war well that is only if you don't count everybody who's also dying all the
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Brian Atlascasualties of War so primary I'll Grant you they are secondary yeah victims of war civilians why they not why are they not as important I think they are as
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Brian Atlasimportant it's not about being more or less important but if you say men are disposable in war then you also say that's how Society
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Brian Atlasviews men they they've throughout it's literally as evidenced by history men have been the Canon fodder for military conf conflicts since the beginning of humankind we didn't